Eras Tour Vienna Cancellation

[gloomy steeple]

For me it had to be N1

[wraith tangle]

Do you know if it was N1 specifically targeted

[rare drum]

wanted to go N3

[gloomy steeple]

N1, N2

[rare drum]

someone got engaged during N3

[gloomy steeple]

Would she have performed after one bloodbath? no

[wraith tangle]

No of course not

[gloomy steeple]

I saw that on insta that’s cool but also quite depressive. Do you remember that one meet and greet couple at rep tour who got engaged in front of Taylor?

[rare drum]

nope

[tepid juniper]

the one in the miss americana doc is so embarrassing

[rare drum]

i was like why was everyone shouting and i look over there 😭

[gloomy steeple]

why?

[tepid juniper]

but there's another couple that did it and the photos r so funny like taylor is in genuine shock

[verbal raft]

its just so awkward

[tepid juniper]

yeah its like so awkward

[rare drum]

🫶

[gloomy steeple]

The question if that event would have even been targeted if standing outside would have been banned in the first place

[tepid juniper]

like this is funny

[rare drum]

right jn front iof her????? 💀💀💀

[tepid juniper]

yeah theyd probs just go inside instead

[gloomy steeple]

wait no I thought that was a Japanese couple

[tepid juniper]

yeah a few people did it lol

[rare drum]

her face😭

[open oak]

I have a question about this incident, is there plans of moving the dates back or is it fully cancelled? I hope they have their refunds 😦

[rare drum]

refunds

[gloomy steeple]

Even tho so don’t consider marriage (my ass not even being in a relationship but making theories) would do that if I could

[wraith tangle]

Full cancel with refunds

Not alternate schedule or reschedule

[rare drum]

no announcement abt rescheduling so probably cancelled

[tepid juniper]

id hate my partnet to do it lOL

[gloomy steeple]

Don’t propose to your partner propose to Taylor /s

[tepid juniper]

"no sorry i want taylor" gets on knee

[gloomy steeple]

surprise surprise

[rare drum]

and then taytay just says yes

[gloomy steeple]

Then shout surprise motherfucker haha

[tepid juniper]

i'm so unserious i'd actually do that

[rare drum]

lmfaoaoaoa

[tepid juniper]

i wonder what taylor would say

[gloomy steeple]

I- I couldn’t agree more

[rare drum]

theres only one way to find out

[tepid juniper]

travis just waiting outside hearing everything unfold

[gloomy steeple]

That’s a point tho

or imagine trying to propose to the partner and then looking at Taylor

Like bro I’m not interested in you I rather prefer queen

[tepid juniper]

yeah thats why id hate it if they did it

[rare drum]

let taylor be the one holding the phone and recording

[tepid juniper]

because i'm sorry that's my moment with taylor i dont want it to be disturbed with our engagement?

our wedding wouldnt live up to meeting taylor anyway sooo...

[gloomy steeple]

wedding on tiktok live

[rare drum]

god i need taylor to release the surprise songs she planned for vienna

i need N1 BADDDDDD

[gloomy steeple]

Proposing on TikTok live 💀

[gloomy steeple]

I want a private concert

[tepid juniper]

i thought she'd decided the songs on the spot.

[rare drum]

that what she does?

[tepid juniper]

nah it isnt

[gloomy steeple]

Taylor should visit my house and perform in the living room on my chair

[tepid juniper]

because she went on stage to do teardrops on my guitar and was like "wheres the capo?" but her crew tuned it to a diff key

so she had obviously told them before the show

[rare drum]

missed the chance to see august live 💔

[gloomy steeple]

Private concert would be secure asf

[rare drum]

private midnights concert

[tepid juniper]

thatll be $1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[rare drum]

should be free for us vienna swifties

[tepid juniper]

40,000 people each night in george's house

[gloomy steeple]

I think she wouldn’t even care about an offer

[rare drum]

tell me where u live ill be there in a few mins

[gloomy steeple]

House would burst

[gloomy steeple]

Reumannplatz /j - no that one was unfunny

[rare drum]

nein oder 💀💀

[gloomy steeple]

no I don’t live in the city center

[rare drum]

taylor would never go there

[rain pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hello-chat-chat-gif-17440367039558363211

[rare drum]

district?

[gloomy steeple]

I technically live in lower Austria but it isn’t that far from Vienna like Styria

[rain pagoda]

Styria?

[gloomy steeple]

It is another state of Austria

[rain pagoda]

Oh

[rare drum]

where tf is that

[gloomy steeple]

I plan to move closer to the city center in the future if I can afford it

[gloomy steeple]

Steiermark kennst das ned

[rare drum]

oj

dann sag doch steiermark 💀

ich hör styria zum ersten mal

[gloomy steeple]

Styria is that English term

[rare drum]

entschuldige

[gloomy steeple]

ne egal lol

[rare drum]

💀

wer sagt styria 😭

gn

[gloomy steeple]

bruh gn

autocorrect is awful lately

[rare drum]

missed seeing august and tsmwel live 💔

[gloomy steeple]

sorry it wasn’t meant like that

@wraith tangle why are you proposing to my wife /s

[wraith tangle]

I deleted my comment this is a serious thread

And now your comment is off topic

[gloomy steeple]

We had crazy off topic things here already - like tanks ahem

[wraith tangle]

Message the mod then

[gloomy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-you-thanks-thx-tank-gif-11214867188794065854

[gloomy steeple]

Not if I am part of the convo - I’ll just stop

[rain pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/war-thunder-meme-spin-tank-gif-4023090852990224147

[wraith tangle]

@dusk osprey clean up this thread please

[dusk osprey]

bruh

😭

[tepid juniper]

clean up what..?

people discussing the topic then going a bit off-topic to make light hearted jokes about a bad situation?

[wraith tangle]

Spamming a bunch of tanks and off topic

[civic stone]

So how are we thinking about that pap walk in a mini skirt? How is this less provoking to ISIS than two sentences of condolence? Still agree that she might not be allowed to talk because of ongoing investigations but can we please drop the "a statement would endanger fans, IT IS ISIS - how dare you wishing for that and risking everyone's lives" argument?

[hazy valve]

Going off topic on a serious thread about a serious topic.

[tepid juniper]

nothing wrong with it

[hazy valve]

Then go to Meredith and yap about what you want there

[rain pagoda]

Yeah I dont see anything wrong about going off topic once or twice

[tepid juniper]

their show was the one that was cancelled, if they want to go off topic a bit whilst theyre discussing this topic they can

[rain pagoda]

exactly

[hazy valve]

It’s not rlly that argument it’s the two main arguments either she’s not allowed to speak about it or she just can’t bring herself to

[hazy valve]

Yea sure in a thread about a SERIOUS discussion

Makes sm sense!!!!

[dusk osprey]

alright alright let' all chill out

guid is right though

[gloomy steeple]

Why does she show up before the show then if she can’t bring herself to publish a statement

[dusk osprey]

this is meant to be a serious discussion thread

[tepid juniper]

so youd like the people to switch channel every 10 seconds they have something to say completely unrelated to this.......?

[dusk osprey]

i mean it's labeled as a serious discussion thread

[hazy valve]

Exactly

If you wanna go off topic go somewhere else

[tepid juniper]

and theyve had their show cancelled because of something horrible, can they not go off-topic and make a little joke whilst discussing the topic? i don't see anything wrong with that

[hazy valve]

Maybe she’s not read to talk about it rn? I mean we’re talking about a serious situation here. Taylor is like us we have feelings and so does she

• all these ppl being demanding about a statement isn’t helping

[tepid juniper]

also ISIS didn't plan these attacks

[civic stone]

I am ok with throwing a get together for the crew to cheer everyone up...they are just people and have to cope as well...but just do it more privately, get from A to Z unrecognised (she has means to do this) and don't do a public pap walk while fans are hurting. This is such bad taste and actually the most infuriating thing of all in this whole fiasco (meaning communication-wise, of course the most infuriating thing over all in total being the attack attempt itself)

[hazy valve]

This is a serious topic

In a serious thread, read the room

[tepid juniper]

you appear to be repeating that, was your show cancelled?

[hazy valve]

What does that have anything to do with the fact of going off topic on a serious discussion channel? Thats labeled serious?

If you wanna go hahaha go do it somewhere else

[wraith tangle]

This thread isn't only for those who were scheduled to go to Vienna shows

[tepid juniper]

i didn't say it was

[wraith tangle]

#1270865475869478934 message

[tepid juniper]

i'm saying that it's people whose show have been cancelled, who are discussing the serious topic, but also making light hearted off-topic jokes

there's nothing wrong with that

[gloomy steeple]

Idc really what the IS thinks, if they put others in danger that’s a problem and that’s what they do. With our legal system in Austria the possibility to get a milder punishment is unfortunately more likely.

What I just don’t get is, and I might repeat myself here but why she is she showing up for dinner in public but not publishing any statement or at least post something in her story like “I’m sorry”? It seems like the tactic is “let’s sweep it under the carpet and move on”.

[hazy valve]

Then go do that somewhere else, but not in a thread where it’s labeled serious for a serious discussion

[wraith tangle]

It's implied you think they should have preference for this thread

So they can be off topic and joke in this serious thread and others cant?

[tepid juniper]

did i say that? no?

[wraith tangle]

You say it's OK for them to

[hazy valve]

You clearly are implying that

[tepid juniper]

no i'm not

[hazy valve]

Be for real rn

[tepid juniper]

do you struggle with reading?

[wraith tangle]

Because they had tix to the show. As if that is an excuse for being off topic

[hazy valve]

No but at least I can say I don’t struggle with staying on topic on a serious discussion channel

[tepid juniper]

at least i can say i'm not a cunt

[bleak atlas]

dude wtf

what makes you think that's an ok thing to say

[gloomy steeple]

She does show feelings as openly as not any other person would do in that business which is something we all appreciate. rn that isn’t the case - but who knows, maybe she will say something during the shows in London and then post the summary on instagram

[civic stone]

Not cool...stay civil

[hazy valve]

And that’s not how you get your point across

[wraith tangle]

That's the opposite of chilling out

[hazy valve]

It’s completely up to her if she can’t or will say anything like i said for all we know maybe she’s not allowed to speak on the matter or maybe she’s trying to still get it together to fully give a proper statement about the situation. It could be a million different reasons, it’s easier said then done when we truly don’t know what’s going on bts

[dusk osprey]

yeah at this point this conversation is just going in circles and becoming uncivil so

[hazy valve]

All we can do is just wait

[dusk osprey]

either chill out or move on

[rain pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/taylor-swift-you-need-to-calm-down-pool-gif-14924946

People

[open oak]

Mikey buy me breakfast

[rain pagoda]

No

[dusk osprey]

what

[open oak]

[dusk osprey]

why the fuck are you saying that in a thread about vienna????

[open oak]

Bro u promised but ok

[dusk osprey]

huh??????

WHO ARE YOU?

[rain pagoda]

Getting off topic and becomeing uncivil

[hazy valve]

Bro?

[open oak]

I'm joking bro, yk me lol

[dusk osprey]

?????????????

[open oak]

Wow rude anyways😭

[bleak atlas]

dude this is a thread about an incredibly serious topic what are you waffling about 😭

[rain pagoda]

Exactly

[open oak]

Bro

[rain pagoda]

I saw that

[gloomy steeple]

What was that bs message

[wraith tangle]

Shut this thread down tbh

[hazy valve]

Exactly

[rain pagoda]

Burn house down What!?

[open oak]

Why would u say that here

[rain pagoda]

I dont even know

[gloomy steeple]

Where should we discuss the situation in Vienna then

[rain pagoda]

Good point

[open oak]

Wait what's up w the situation now

[dusk osprey]

bro you're the dude who came into this thread talking about breakfast you have literally no leg to stand on 😭

[gloomy steeple]

In the general chat which is usually fucked or there is a drama or there is an argument

[open oak]

My bad dawg

[wraith tangle]

Go to meredith

[open oak]

Meredith<

[rain pagoda]

Yep that sounds about right for meredith

[gloomy steeple]

A discussion without any disruptions isn’t possible there. Can’t even keep track of stuff there

[rain pagoda]

meredith=Pure chaos most of the time

[gloomy steeple]

There is a reason why channels exist

[rain pagoda]

So we can talk about Vienna is peace without meredith chaos

[gloomy steeple]

Meredith can be a funny place but sometimes it causes the rotting of braincells

Very often actually

[rain pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/so-true-gif-24068595

[gloomy steeple]

cute cat

[rain pagoda]

Yes

[kindred abyss]

ate lowkey

[tepid juniper]

#gotwarned

[kindred abyss]

americans take the c word so literal, it's so lighthearted in my country 😭

either way, it's impossible to keep a convo specifically on a certain topic. people can sway from time to time.

[tepid juniper]

yeah in the UK we use it in every other sentence

[kindred abyss]

yeah i'm scottish we use it every other word LOL

[tepid juniper]

i probs say it more than any other swear word?

[kindred abyss]

same, but never in a negative way. i use it positively

[kindred abyss]

if they spoke about the topic in any other channel they would be told not to, so i don't see the issue with trying to make light of it here

someone who was impacted by the show being cancelled can send a tank gif whilst talking about the topic...like let's not restrict them anymore than they already are

[tepid juniper]

yeah i genuinely see no problem with it at all it’s just all friendly stuff

[kindred abyss]

fair enough if they were making jokes ABOUT the topic but they're not

they're just being lighthearted

[foggy parcel]

Omg

I use it all the time with my friends

With my parents? It’s like a BANISHED word

I swear every mum around the UK if they hear that word it’s literally like you pinned their whole family to a stake and set them ablaze

[pastel scarab]

😭 fr

[hazy valve]

Tf?

[kindred abyss]

you are acting like this thread should only be serious about the issue. yes it is a serious discussion, but to shame people who were directly affected by the cancellation for trying to make light of their situation?

[hazy valve]

Yes bc it should be and if you don’t like it then leave. For a reason it’s labeled serious

[kindred abyss]

you aren't a mod, stop policing the chat. let the mods deal with it if they think it gets too off topic.

[hazy valve]

If you don’t like it no one is asking you to stay

[rain pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/go-on-popcorn-gazelle-eat-eating-gif-10098584

[kindred abyss]

okay so you think members like george, a person who lives in vienna and was due to go to the concert, should leave the chat for simply sending a unrelated gif and talking to someone? bore off lol.

let people talk about it in whatever way they want! could be how they are coping with it.

[rain pagoda]

Exactly

[hazy valve]

If you’re not gonna keep the thread serious then go somewhere else privately it’s not hard lol

[kindred abyss]

am i not being serious right now?

are you using your brain and reading what im saying? not everyone will agree with you. people cope in different ways with issues like this. you're just gonna have to deal with that unfortunately.

[hazy valve]

Serious bc they should talk off topic in a thread that’s serious?

Be for real, if you wanna be off topic fine but not here

[hazy valve]

There’s no point in reading smth that has 0 logic or common sense to it

[kindred abyss]

they were discussing the topic..and made one small lighthearted joke about something else..

have you discussed the topic at all in your last ten messages? i can't see it

[hazy valve]

Have you?

[kindred abyss]

all i can see is you policing the chat

[hazy valve]

Not at all so don’t be hypocritical as well

[kindred abyss]

i don't agree with you honey...i don't believe we should be strictly on topic the whole time...

[bleak atlas]

the point is treating the topic respectfully

[rain pagoda]

Yep

[hazy valve]

If you wanna go off topic just do it somewhere else? It’s rlly not complex

[bleak atlas]

jokes here and there shouldn't be a big issue, if all we do is joke about something serious then yeah, that's the problem

now can we please stop arguing in here

[hazy valve]

All I’m saying is that if you’re gonna go off topic you shouldn’t do it in a serious topic channel

[kindred abyss]

i agree with this^, what i don't agree with is someone policing the chat when someone who was affected by the issue was just trying to be lighthearted

[bleak atlas]

extremely off topic no, keep this channel just for this topic

[rain pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/taylor-swift-you-need-to-calm-down-pool-gif-14924946

[bleak atlas]

again, jokes here and there are fine, especially if someone was going to go and couldn't

[rain pagoda]

Stop arguing pleaes and thank you

[bleak atlas]

but keep it on topic
there's no need to police

we can do that as mods lmfso

[kindred abyss]

im not even arguing im just trying to get them to understand why they shouldn't police the chat

[hazy valve]

I’m saying to keep this channel just for this topic was I not saying that? Lol

[kindred abyss]

oh my god😭

[bleak atlas]

i mean that you don't have to police Every time someone goes slightly off topic

[kindred abyss]

with things like this people respond in different ways. some people don't wanna be 100% serious if you get me. coping mechanisms differ between people. i think if it was my show that was cancelled due to this i would hate to have to be serious all the time when discussing it. it'll never help them heal.

[hazy valve]

Tbf the last time it happened ppl were also complaining about ppl going off topic

[bleak atlas]

that's fair, just bring it back to the topic at hand or ping us if it's something offensive

[kindred abyss]

anyway

i saw someone mention the pap pics of taylor earlier, im not sure how to feel. i get she can't avoid paparazzi but it seems odd to me.

i think i also saw someone ask how her mini skirt was less provoking to isis than a message or something? i might have read wrong

i can't scroll up to find it i think it was forever ago, but i don't understand how a miniskirt and a message of condolence is being compared

[hazy valve]

you mean this photo?

[kindred abyss]

yeah, and i think someone mentioned about a provoking skirt. i'll scroll to find it

[kindred abyss]

here, it wasn't as far up as i thought

[tepid juniper]

i dont think ISIS care about what she wears to dinner

[hazy valve]

I don’t see how that can provoke them at all what she wears

[kindred abyss]

neither, i don't understand why people are saying it is

and people are also shaming her for going out for dinner?

as if her life should be put on hold after what happened. they shame her for hiding and then shame her for being out.

[hazy valve]

Goes back to what I said before

She will get hate no matter what she does or smth

If she speaks about the situation someone will find something to pick and complain about if she doesn’t same thing

[kindred abyss]

if she speaks out now it'll be "it's too late for that", if she doesn't speak out it'll be "she doesn't care", if she speaks out after london it'll be "she only cares about london, not the rest of europe"

[hazy valve]

That’s what it has rlly come to even if she spoke up about it the second it happened someone would find smth to complain or pick about

[kindred abyss]

i bet if she spoke about it as soon as it happened people would bash her and say she's provoking isis and putting people at risk

[hazy valve]

There’s rlly no right move atp imo

[kindred abyss]

for me the right move is to wait for enforcement to give her the go ahead to talk about it, because im assuming they're still telling her not to

[foggy parcel]

Agree

[hazy valve]

True, honestly atp it could be anything but I’m leaning more towards the fact that she can’t say anything atm

[kindred abyss]

it could also just be a case of she just doesn't want to right now because she can't find the right words

[hazy valve]

After all this is still an ongoing investigation and it’s not your usual light easy topic to talk about

[hazy valve]

Which is exactly what I been saying. If I was her I’d be traumatized and scared

[foggy parcel]

the people antagonising Taylor for it it’s like they don’t know what she’s like? she’s OBVIOUSLY not willingly not wanting to speak on the situation. why the hell would she do that without a justified reason

[kindred abyss]

anyone who wants her to put a statement out rubs me the wrong way

if anything i don't want her to have to write something like that

[foggy parcel]

Taylor is a nice person, it’s not like she’s going haha shows cancelled lol lemme forget about you

[hazy valve]

If she’s gonna speak up about it I’d rather have her feel ok talking about it and finding the right words to talk about it rather than putting a rushed statement out that may rub ppl the wrong way

[hazy valve]

Apparently ppl see it like that and I genuinely don’t understand why

[foggy parcel]

I understand why people would feel upset over TN seemingly moving on without addressing Vienna, but it’s obviously for a reason out of their control 😭 you can be upset but don’t attack them or Taylor for it

[hazy valve]

Exactly, if they choose not to talk about it atm then just accept it and wait.

[rain pagoda]

Just got to somehow make that clear to everyone for a reason out of their control Taylor or TN cant say a word about it

[marsh saddle]

I think (i hope) she doesnt say anything because she want a good ending in the Message and because of this she have to clarify a lit of things.
The mayor of vienna, the president and the organizer have all made a statement

[crisp yarrow]

At the end of the day if she said something people would find a way to hate on it but if she doesn’t say anything people also hate on it so what do you expect her to do

[marsh saddle]

Ok doesnt know that she were hated because of the kids dancing class or brazil
Then its better to ignore the problems and the whole city with so much Fans at the weekend

[umbral ivy]

everyone's been saying she's not making a statement BECAUSE her life is put on hold 🤧

[kindred abyss]

she's not making a statement bc there's an ongoing investigation

[umbral ivy]

all I want is an acknowledgement from her about vienna 🤗 hope this helps

[umbral ivy]

we know this for sure?

[kindred abyss]

im still mid typing if you'd let me finish

[kindred abyss]

it's either this or she is still trying to find the right words to say. shes only
human.

were you due to go to vienna?

[umbral ivy]

damn poor billionaire with full on PR team can't find the right words to say. can't even share the barracuda music cancellation post 🫤
I don't think she'll say anything if she doesn't do it immediately and I'm bitter about it

[umbral ivy]

yeah I was N2 🤧 flew in from the other side of europe

[kindred abyss]

that's awful

[kindred abyss]

this does seem very hateful however but if that's how you're coping with the situation then that's okay

you're allowed to be annoyed and bitter, but sometimes being hateful is unneeded

[umbral ivy]

sorry like I'm sure she was shocked from everything but also I'm sure she's fine if she's going out and getting pap pics

I just wanted a sorry 🫠

[kindred abyss]

she can't help getting pap pics, it's not like she wants them to take pics of her. she's a massive celeb in a big city.

they follow her everywhere

that's quite unfair to call her out on, she doesn't choose to be stalked by paparazzi

[umbral ivy]

naw i think she called them on herself

[tepid juniper]

You think the police won’t investigate this?

[kindred abyss]

ok now you're just giving yourself reasons to be mad..

[umbral ivy]

we know for sure the only reason she can't say anything is because of an investigation?🤧

[umbral ivy]

idk usually her pap pics are pretty obvious which ones are proper caught in the wild and which ones she called on herself

[tepid juniper]

yes we definitely do know that

[kindred abyss]

yes...it's basic knowledge

[tepid juniper]

anyone who would be part of an ongoing investigation would not make any comments on it

[kindred abyss]

you cannot speak up about an ongoing investigation

[tepid juniper]

it could also affect the cases performance in court

because they can very easily miscontrue anything she says

[kindred abyss]

im also ignoring the paparazzi comments now, it's beyond crazy that you think she called them on herself..

[umbral ivy]

that is also basic knowledge tho? she regularly does it

[umbral ivy]

Can't inform fans that your concert is cancelled either?

[kindred abyss]

they were informed, through taylor nation.

[umbral ivy]

would've appreciated it from her as well is all I'm saying 🤷‍♀️

[kindred abyss]

you do know taylor nation is directly associated with her

like it's basically her account..that's where concert info is always posted

[umbral ivy]

Vienna was the first time this tour she didn't have a concert update on her main account tbh? weird asf?

[kindred abyss]

and she'll say something at some point, as mentioned before it's likely that she is unable to right now

[umbral ivy]

"sorry yall gotta cancel my concert there's terrorism and an investigation going on glad ur alive xxx" - but in a nicer way

[umbral ivy]

nah she won't. mark my words 😂 girlie is moving on

[kindred abyss]

a pessimistic attitude will only make you more bitter, but that's ok because you aren't even trying to be positive whatsoever

[umbral ivy]

its ok i may be hateful but i will never turn to r/travisandtaylor. those guys are actually just unhinged

[kindred abyss]

no one wants a hateful swiftie

[umbral ivy]

so true tbhhh i am unfortunately just a disappointed one

[kindred abyss]

you can be disappointed without spreading hate

[umbral ivy]

very disappointed that the only thing she did was .... let austrian tv channels air the eras tour movie. ok girl 🙄 thanks

[kindred abyss]

are you choosing to ignore every possible reason she isn't speaking up about it right now?

it is very likely she's been told not to talk about it whatsoever from authorities, it is common in ongoing investigations

she will speak when she is able to, and when she is ready

i do agree with the fact that if she completely ignores it and doesn't talk about it EVER then that's is a huge bitch move, like i get that. but it's been a week.

[gloomy steeple]

If you aren’t directly affected from the cancellations you will have a different opinion on it

[kindred abyss]

i know, but being hateful about it isn't ok

[gloomy steeple]

The Travis and Taylor thing isn’t even playing a role in the Vienna disaster

[kindred abyss]

i don't even know what that thing is? what is the reddit thread?

[marsh saddle]

This was cool 🙂
Maybe she want to reschedule vienna after London and need time for this

[gloomy steeple]

There are so many signs she does.

But eh she has no fault

[gloomy steeple]

Well probably not for eras. The tickets would be sold out very soon but organizing such a huge event in a few weeks is very hard

[gloomy steeple]

Probably a subreddit in which ppl discuss the Travis and Taylor relationship and post pictures if they are seen publicly.

[marsh saddle]

If you want it you can do it
I think coldplay will be safer, with this you have a test
In London the Event has so much new Security standards in 2 days 😅

[umbral ivy]

its a hate subreddit. they're actually crazy but i read their posts because it's funny

[gloomy steeple]

I don’t think ppl who bought tickets for Coldplay will be perfectly fine with the current situation.

[gloomy steeple]

?

[umbral ivy]

they think taylor and Travis is a PR stunt and that taylor is a horrible narcissist etc etc. my favourite post is them implying she's in an incestutous relationship with her dad

[gloomy steeple]

And why are you telling us that bullshit

[umbral ivy]

I'm not even kidding tho they BELIEVE that shit

because im sharing my hobby of reading hate subreddits and making fun of them xxxx sorry

[kindred abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/marajtwt-ariana-grande-sitting-in-gif-24958717

[wary kraken]

For an indie artist, that would work, but people came from different continents to see Taylor, and the only thing worse than a cancelled concert is a concert you are now forced to miss because you can’t afford to plan short-term

Friends of mine saved for a long time and had to hand in their vacation days at work a long time ago, they’d be devastated if they now knew that they have a ticket that they specifically can’t use

[umbral ivy]

I saved up for over a year for vienna 🤷‍♀️ literally all I wanted was an announcement/statement

[marsh saddle]

If they can do it so much Fans 70-80 percent from last weekend will fly and happy

[wary kraken]

She’s likely affected by both the mental and the legal side of the story, and not sure what the future plan is. She’d have to bundle all of that into her announcement.

[wind gorge]

Send “em to Guantanamo

[gloomy steeple]

At least we know Taylor is ok rn

[hardy wagon]

I got to know about this after reading it in my school newspaper

I feel sorry for those swifties

[umbral ivy]

????? of coure shes ok?

[gloomy steeple]

I would not say of course because that incident has caused mental pain

[low sinew]

These poor swifties. Especially taylor

[open oak]

?

[gloomy steeple]

There was an article about the terrorist in Austrian’s local newspaper “Kronenzeitung”, he gave an interview:

He admitted planning a terrorist attack on the concerts because he despises every music style except holy music from the IS. He thinks 9/11 was a good start for IS to show presence in the world. He had several social media accounts with which he praised and mentioned 9/11. Apart from that, he stated that he wanted to execute a prior planned terrorist attack on the stadium in 2020 successfully, it was planned on a football game as far as I remember.

He wanted to kill himself at the stadium after stabbing thousands of people.

Apart from that he thinks that he will find the right relationship with a woman one day which is fully covered up all the time and has no rights whatsoever. Like a slave.

He’s very nice to the prison staff and misses his parents, prob everything acted to get out of prison quicker.

[wind gorge]

They’re not lettting him out of prison 😂😂

Can guarantee that one 🤣🤣

[gloomy steeple]

He stated he despises everyone who doesn't believe in IS and prays five times a day like him. He especially despises pop music, but actually everything except the holy music from IS.

He stated he has mental issues at the beginning of the interview, at the end he stated it was more like an unserious plan but the police found the evidence. He wanted to look "cool" like the terrorist who planned that attack in 2020

[next coral]

WHAT

[gloomy steeple]

If you read my prior message you will understand the context.

[next coral]

i did read thats why i said what

like shocking what

[gloomy steeple]

I hope so. Problem is that the austrian legal system is an entire shitshow and that shows especially that case. How the fuck can terrorists give interviews to local newspapers like they are a celebrity? The terrorists are also trying to milder the punishment by saying "it wasn't serious", "it was just a joke" - but there are plans, evidence. They did workout in the gym for that attack and did work at a specific company to steal chemicals from their stock.

[gloomy steeple]

ah ok

[next coral]

ngl that seems like serbia stuff cuz here also criminals and terrorist give interviews like they are celebrities...

[gloomy steeple]

The terrorist is originally from north makedonia

[next coral]

yes ik

[gloomy steeple]

I hope as many swifties as possible sue the terrorist besides this but I guess this will not be the case. I am affected and I live in austria so I could do that, but there are too many things unclear. You first need to get a lawyer and in the ideal case have an insurance to cover the costs for that lawyer which is already not easy. Most ppl just won't go through that hassle which I see a problem in.

Which can't be solved unless they are doing some exception or someone stands up for us.

[umbral ivy]

I got flamed for this on the main subreddit but here's my controversial take: throwing them in prison forever makes radicalisation worse

(someone on reddit was saying they should rot in prison forever like omg??? 😭 )

[gloomy steeple]

it doesn't

[umbral ivy]

anyone's who's marginalised and being targeted by groups like ISIS to radicalise are going to see cases like these and be like oh ok thats how society treats me af af

like they were kids wtf how is nobody shocked about how young they are

[gloomy steeple]

You can also see it from a different view which is that more ppl try to plan attacks if prison time isn't that hard or long

[gloomy steeple]

because these kids know too damn well what they're doing

[umbral ivy]

I think I'm saying this because I'm from a muslim family but I feel like most people don't really know what they're getting into with shit like ISIS

[gloomy steeple]

they should start to gain the knowledge then

[umbral ivy]

epic maybe thats how the justice system should address that is my point??? we agree???

they like in the west so they think it's just 'cool' whatever. they don't know what it's like in actual arab countries where ISIS are around

you get me???

[gloomy steeple]

no

[blazing robin]

because they should💀

[wary kraken]

Rehabilitative justice is something everyone fights for until they personally dislike the person, then they should rot in prison, and better yet experience unspeakable pain. It’s a slightly understandable but less than helpful stance on justice.

[unique fractal]

I mean, rehabilitation is a must in this case especially, because they’ll get out of prison eventually (in 25 years at the latest) and it’s essential to reintegrate them into society and to deradicalize them so they don’t plan sth like this as soon as they get out again-

[kindred abyss]

to be radicalised is a disease that should be cured with rehabilitation

[pallid dagger]

Idk... if someone can be treated great but I have my doubts if such a risk is worth it

[tepid juniper]

nobody deserves to experience 'unspeakable pain'

if you believe that then you've just stooped to their level, because that's that their aim is

[wary kraken]

(just to clarify in case it can be read wrong, I was saying that that’s the state of the world, not how it should be)

[elfin cargo]

Tw: vienna sw*fties

why r vienna swifties still acting ignored omg

[dusk osprey]

why did you censor swifties and put a tw

[elfin cargo]

i censored vienna sw*fties as a phrase

[slow coral]

eviscerated it

[elfin cargo]

delete they’re gonna get you

[dusk osprey]

?????????

[wraith tangle]

Vienna swifties can feel however they want

[elfin cargo]

🫖

[wraith tangle]

What does this mean

[elfin cargo]

it means you said the truth

[knotty root]

it usually means "tea" meaning you spoke facts

[ruby ibex]

Swifties being insensitive/straight up stupid exhibit 1 and 2

oh yeah let's say we can't speak about something (that means we're speaking about it) cmon guys

[hazy valve]

The entire tn comment section is just ppl demanding a statement. It’s absurd.

[marsh saddle]

what was to be expected

[wary kraken]

First mistake: Reading social media comments.
Second mistake: Caring about social media comments.

[orchid birch]

I saw a couple of good ones. People excited to see the outfits for London

[wraith tangle]

London show is on. Any comment from Taylor

?

[gloomy steeple]

nah

[wraith tangle]

Ok

[civic stone]

So...I hear anyone that is saying she might not be allowed to make a statement. But she has power over her surprise songs. And I even give her the surprise appearance by Ed and songs because this was planned ahead and not easy to change. But piano...I don't need a special song...something dedicated to Vienna...but singing an absolute romantic love tribute for Travis in King of my Heart X The Alchemy is just...It seems like this was planned before and she stuck with it. At least play something more toned down, melancholic, sad or thoughtful.

Vienna did not leave a ditch. Influence anything. We are just sailing on. It never happened. And we are all cool with it or even anti-Taylor if you are sad about it.

[marsh saddle]

Everything with vienna is shit and make me sad.
I want something to hear something to believe to get positive 😅
So much happend positive infront of vienna
i have a ring for my gf and she wanted the Konzert so badly.
We had the easy chance to get to munich, zurich and Gelsenkirchen, but wanted the once in the lifetime experience
Now i am overthinking the whole weekend and want a Little statement some respect for the 10000 of swift fans in vienna.
But i think in some days/weeks for like 99 percent of the TS fans Vienna doesnt matter.

Ps: It's crazy how close we were to death in theory

[open oak]

I hope he gets sentenced to death

I ship him w a therapist

[gloomy steeple]

I am wishing for that too but unfortunately death punishment doesn't exist in austria

they should make an exception for that one

[gloomy steeple]

as someone who has been affected too I agree. The atmosphere before the concert in vienna has been so positive around the stadium.

[open oak]

It should bro for certain people

They deserve worse than death

[kindred abyss]

wishing death on them isn't right

wishing death on anyone isn't right

[rain pagoda]

[open oak]

Nuh uh

[kindred abyss]

then you are a shitty person

[proper sun]

What so you think people like that deserve to.. live..?

[kindred abyss]

if you wish death on someone, you are no better than them

[blazing robin]

except you're not plotting to mass murder innocent people.. so you are in fact much better than them

[kindred abyss]

wishing death on anyone isn't ok and that's just my opinion

i'd rather they rot in prison and suffered

[proper sun]

So it’s ok to wish someone to rot in prison and suffer but not for them to die..

[blazing robin]

oh agreed... id rather they get a life prison sentence than to get put down

[kindred abyss]

yes

[blazing robin]

death is too forgiving for what they wanted to do

rotting in prison until the day you die is much more suitable for the crimes

[proper sun]

What 😭

[kindred abyss]

in this context, they were teenagers who could have been radicalised, most likely due to their ability to be easily influenced. if that's the case then they need help and rehabilitation, not a punishment of death.

[blazing robin]

if they were to die today, thats it.. their only punishment was a week of prison and then death.. life in prison would mean spending the rest of their lives in misery and horrible conditions, knowing they cant do anything about it.. its much more cruel and way more suitable

[kindred abyss]

if that's NOT the case then they should rot in prison

[kindred abyss]

and also, once their fellow prisoners find out what they're in for, they'll likely suffer more too, that's the reality

[blazing robin]

exactly much better than just a swift syringe

[kindred abyss]

but to wish death on them is just evil and dumb

[proper sun]

Ok but Death is not in any way forgiving. Also if they aren’t in the world they can’t hurt anyone else

[kindred abyss]

they're in prison they can't do shit there either

[proper sun]

Idk I’d rather die than spend my life being miserable

[kindred abyss]

exactly...that's exactly denis' point

[proper sun]

Well they can technically

[kindred abyss]

you'd rather die than be left to be miserable in prison

so you want them to die too? where they won't be left to be miserable in prison?

[proper sun]

Ok but if they’re dead they can’t have feelings..

Also idk if you’ve noticed but prisons are overcrowded

[kindred abyss]

i don't think you have comprehension skills 😭

[blazing robin]

exactly.. thats why leaving them to rot is a lot more cruel

[wraith tangle]

What's going on in here

[proper sun]

I don’t think you do 😭

[kindred abyss]

i tried to explain but they didn't get it

[kindred abyss]

me and my criminal justice degree are well versed in comprehension ty💕😁

[blazing robin]

death is forgiving if you look at it in a way where it saves you from almost a century of daily suffering.. we all know what happens inside of prisons, im sure theyd rather die than face that on a daily basis

[proper sun]

So it’s ok to be as cruel as possible to them but saying they should die is wrong

[blazing robin]

personally i dont think saying they should be dead is morally wrong.. i only think its wrong because in my eyes they deserve worse

[proper sun]

Why is them suffering the most your main concern 😭

[blazing robin]

less of a concern more of a perfect scenario

[kindred abyss]

denis is saying they'd serve for their crimes more in prison rather than being killed

[blazing robin]

their plans were way too twisted to let them off with an easy death.. thats why im saying daily suffering until they die is more fitting

[kindred abyss]

like these guys likely had the intention of dying after carrying out their plans

[blazing robin]

exactly.. mass murder and then die to get out of all responsibilities and guilt

[kindred abyss]

acts of terrorism usually lead to the death of those who commit the acts, it's likely they wanted to die alongside it

[proper sun]

I mean I see your point but imo it would be better for them to cease existing either way

[blazing robin]

i mean life in prison means they will cease to exist eventually.. why grant them a fast exit instead of leaving them to beg for it for years?

[kindred abyss]

i think people forget the true purpose of prison sometimes

overcrowding is a social issue due to people being imprisoned for petty crimes they don't need to be there for. the three teens in this case do deserve to be there.

[proper sun]

Because you don’t need to 😭 prisons are full enough as it is, if someone’s done something bad enough to deserve death why wouldn’t you

[proper sun]

They don’t deserve to be there they deserve death

[kindred abyss]

ok but..they actually didn't do the act. they planned it. it was conspiracy to commit terrorist acts.

im tapping out lmfao i cba explaining the same stuff over and over

[proper sun]

Yes..

[proper sun]

K

[mellow bane]

i leave vienna today 😄

[wraith tangle]

Have fun

[mellow bane]

yep i go to london for n6

[wraith tangle]

Have fun

[amber crest]

Lucky!! Enjoy

[mellow bane]

im excited

.

[open oak]

Can agree on that tbf

[wind gorge]

Like I said. Guantanamo

For all terrorists

[blazing robin]

spill

[marsh saddle]

Crazy

[viscid crane]

don't think that is true i expect they will be getting 100% back i doubt taylor would let them only do 80% refunds

[marsh saddle]

We will see
Tickets are the fewest cost of the weekend
The flight, Hotel etc. We arent getting back

[blazing robin]

the money people arent getting back is from the insurance (if you bought it) and currency conversion

[wide bay]

I SWEAR THOSE TERRORISTS WILL BE TERRORIZED BY ME

THE CANCELLATION LEFT ME HEARTBROKEN

💔

[wide bay]

Did yall got their refund?

[final light]

It’s just been 8 business day so I say wait until Tuesday or Wednesday

[wide bay]

I already got refunded

I hope yall get their moneys back

[slow crypt]

Didn’t you get the full price?

[unique fractal]

not yet-

[marsh saddle]

Same

[wide bay]

I got the price of the tickets refunded

[pure root]

Still waiting

[young marsh]

is anyone here going to see coldplay at ernst happel?
im going in a couple of days, do any of you know how safe it is yet?

[marsh saddle]

I think safe like or Weekend

Maybee ts is in vienna too
I read some rumors

[young marsh]

alr thanks

[gloomy steeple]

It makes me sick to read a post on reddit "Hot take: The cancellation of the vienna shows made me pull away from Taylor" - like wtf she isn't guilty for cancelling it

[marsh saddle]

https://x.com/coldplayaccess/status/1826250383251140949?s=46

Coldplay Access (@coldplayaccess) on X

A mysterious woman is soundchecking 'Love Story' by Taylor Swift ahead of the first Coldplay concert in Vienna 👀

#ColdplayVienna 🇦🇹

Twitter · Aug 21, 2024, 1:29 PM

[marsh saddle]

At the moment i think she was

Goverment say 5 hours before the canceling everything is good (make no sense)

[gloomy steeple]

yea the government didn't force her - but she didn't know or plan the attack on her concert

[marsh saddle]

Yes but what is now after 1,5 weeks better 😅 why Can coldplay play

[dusk osprey]

well the difference is there's enough time since the vienna stuff with taylor to prepare for security measures and stuff like that

[marsh saddle]

Yes 😅

[dusk osprey]

idk if it's the american in me but like snipers on the roof of the first big show since a terrorist threat doesn't seem that wild to me

like they have snipers on the roof at the super bowl too

[marsh saddle]

Realy? Doesnt know
In europe We never see snipers or something like this

[wary kraken]

I’ve never seen a sniper in my life

What are they gonna do? Shoot into the masses? I don’t think they could reliably hit a moving target in a huge crowd

[crisp yarrow]

Maybe having the snipers there will deter any threat

[wide bay]

I dont understand what is the meaning of mass murder like what do they get from it? Its so useless

[wary kraken]

There's many reasons. For isolated people, it's a way of being seen by the world. For people with social problems, it's a way to "get back" at the "normal" people. For people with a twisted sense of reality, it might just actually seem like a good thing. For brainwashed people, it might be a way to help a greater cause that exceeds their perceived worth of life. Et cetera.

[knotty root]

||suicidal || people, radicalized, trying to make a difference, they're probably mentally insane.

some people are just plain evil and don't need a reason.

obviously every reason is sick and twisted but we know that

[tepid juniper]

oh we

i've never seen a sniper in my life

[wary kraken]

"plain evil" still has a reason, at least in their heads. Understanding their subjective reason is a really important step towards mental health treatment.

[wide bay]

I mean like this is so unfair and the worst thing is that we cant do anything abt it

[wraith tangle]

Well they can watch over the crowd

If a threat emerges like a shooter or suicide bomber or something the sniper can shoot them to minimize harm done to others

[final light]

Taylor just spoke

[wary kraken]

Where?

[final light]

Her insta post

The London thank you post

[low prism]

Taylor ATE saying that she will not speak abt something that may provoke people to cause harm and stuff. DEVOURED EVERYONE UP

[hot badger]

FR she never ate this hard

[rain pagoda]

Yep the hater's have been shut down

[rich forum]

i literally got called moronic for suggesting that as her reason for not addressing it. she ate

[gloomy steeple]

true

That is like the main phrase of that statement

[hot badger]

she literally shut down everyone who also claims she should speak up about other type of wars and stuff, she proved every single point of why she shouldnt

[night gazelle]

and those toxic tiktok swifties were shaming her for not speaking about Vienna and inviting new guests on wembley

[pastel scarab]

"we were grieving concerts, not lives" is one of the best parts of that post.

[rain pagoda]

Fr

[rain pagoda]

Exactly toxic tiktok swifties and haters have now been Shut up

[hot badger]

I'm sorry but why were some vienna swifties mad about the fact she didnt spoke up about it? i understand not going to the show and not even getting a full refund must be overwhelming but not going literally saved their lives

[rain pagoda]

Any ground they had they lost it

[dire shell]

are the people who were complaining that Taylor didn’t talk abt Vienna are u happy now she talked abt it so don’t bring it up again

[night gazelle]

right?? I bet next tour shes going to play in vienna

[rain pagoda]

I hope so

[pastel scarab]

Hope they get a bunch of shows

[elfin cargo]

we won she ended all vienna swifties and fake activists

[night gazelle]

we dont know how many people would die

and if they wanted to strike Taylor and her team

[dire shell]

cause she prob got hate for not talking abt it but it’s a sensitive topic to bring on a tour??

[night gazelle]

we all know that Taylor's biggest fear is terrorist attack on her show

[rain pagoda]

Yep hater's can shut up pretty much

[dire shell]

like people need to chill.. she will talk abt it

[hot badger]

i saw an insider's interview where he/she stated taylor will come back "as soon as possible" which is just the right thing.

[pastel scarab]

Literally it's what Taylor said "we were grieving concerts, not lives" if it still happened we'd be grieving the loss of many swifties

[rain pagoda]

Yeah 113% that's her biggest fear

[night gazelle]

and they were shaming her for not speaking about her BIGGEST fear that almost happened

[rain pagoda]

Or who know's sadly it could of been her

[night gazelle]

she even said that

[rain pagoda]

Yeah

[elfin cargo]

id rather burn my whole life down than listen to one more second of all this bitching and moaning

[hot badger]

exactly, i understand being sad but not being angry. you can be angry with whoever's not giving these refunds right but you can't be mad at taylor for, not going in public and talking about it, NOT MAKING AN INSTAGRAM POST. this is what they were mad about, an instagram post

[rain pagoda]

Cause who know's what they could of really been planning

[rain pagoda]

Exactly

[night gazelle]

shes not a fucking instagram influencer to make sth like that

[hot badger]

taylor not making an instagram post about vienna = she hates vienna and her fans!!!! this is some people's mentality

[night gazelle]

I bet it was truamatic for her

more than for vienna swifties

[dire shell]

the haters real quiet when she dropped this one

[night gazelle]

yea and also shes inviting other artists to london and playing with ed OMG SHE DOESNT LOVE US CUZ THEY CANCELLED OUR SHOWS BECAUSE IS WANTED TO KILL US

[hot badger]

I think everyone in vienna must have felt scared, taylor would have definitely felt at fault if something happened actually

[rain pagoda]

Yep she pretty much told the hater's to shut up with that

[night gazelle]

literally

[dire shell]

some people are insensitive and don’t care abt stuff except the thing they want since they are selfish

[night gazelle]

we don't know if she would tour after this ever again

[rain pagoda]

Exactly

[hot badger]

literally.. her keeping her humor up for the london shows was the most logical thing. also i think taylor doesnt just drag guests on stage.. she asks them and if they say yes they go on stage.. that's all lol

[night gazelle]

true, the first tought I had was "shes not going to speak about vienna right away, it could provoke terrorist"

[crisp yarrow]

Reading the post is the most that’s just put me over the edge of the concert blues

[night gazelle]

but some vienna swifties think that they were the ones to get Ed on stage

HE WAS ON STAGE CUZ IT WAS FUCKING WEMBLEY IN LONDON

[rain pagoda]

Yeah that's a good question will she go on another worldwide tour if she dose will it be a majorly limited limited compared to the Eras Tour

[pastel scarab]

Not to sound rude but they're acting like Taylor isn't gonna try and come back as soon as and spoil them rotten in terms of surprises

[hot badger]

taylor speaking up about anything that has something harmful related would be wrong consindering she's on tour so everyone knows where she is and when

[gloomy steeple]

The ppl who started hating her with a burning passion on the internet because she cancelled Vienna

“We care about Taylor”
“We are real swifties, we do know how Taylor might feel about that”
nothing like that

[hot badger]

okay let's pick Ed Sheeran over our lives!!

[gloomy steeple]

I mean most did, the haters did make fun or troll despite the horrible news

[night gazelle]

I mean she teased next tour, but if the attack happened we dont know if there would be another one

[rain pagoda]

[gloomy steeple]

I mean ed was on a festival in Austria a day before wembley

[hot badger]

haters are haters they'll hate her no matter what she does, she could be drinking a starbucks coffee and haters will argue starbucks supports some type of association so taylor does too and shit

[rain pagoda]

Exactly

[night gazelle]

where

[gloomy steeple]

Frequency

[rain pagoda]

And sadly this might just be only the start of threats like Vienna

[hot badger]

I hope security's gonna handle it, there's coldplay shows coming up right?

[gloomy steeple]

The news in Austria reported ppl are angry and disappointed because Taylor said nothing

[rain pagoda]

We just got to hope authorities can stop anything that come's in the future before it happens

[hot badger]

the news in austria need to update then

[night gazelle]

but still, I think he wouldnt be a guest in Vienna, but London

[gloomy steeple]

well uh rn the Coldplay show is carried out in the same stadium

[rain pagoda]

Yeah security is up snipers are on the roof and stuff

[night gazelle]

8 Wembley sold out shows are the biggest flex and I understand why she bring many guests new outfits etc for those shows

[gloomy steeple]

Idk tbh I wished to see Taylor and if even no surprise guests would have been there that’s ok

[hot badger]

why do they care so much about a guest when they payed to see TAYLOR SWIFT, go see ed sheeran if you like him so bad??

[rain pagoda]

Hopefully security levels like that will be at all future shows not just Taylor

[night gazelle]

its fun without them too

[rain pagoda]

Exactly

[gloomy steeple]

That’s what they also offered her for all nights - but the organizer and her team cancelled it

[night gazelle]

omg right

[hot badger]

taylor playing surprise songs by herself is beautiful either way, i didnt wish for any guest

[rain pagoda]

If your going to a TS Concert your there for Taylor

[gloomy steeple]

true it’s not a necessity

[gloomy steeple]

ngl acoustic sets are my fav

[rain pagoda]

Oh

I did not know that

[kindred abyss]

lowkey id be mad if ed sheeran turned up for my surprise songs😭 like im there to see taylor not u

[hot badger]

i feel like new outfits and note changes are most exciting than guests lol

[kindred abyss]

yessss

[hot badger]

LOLL ngl I like tay's songs with ed but taylor by herself eats everytime

[gloomy steeple]

Ppl don’t get that she did save the fans outside of the stadium in Vienna, it was mainly targeted at them

[kindred abyss]

i liked the excitement of not knowing what song was coming next, if ed came out i'd be like...ok so it's everything has changed and endgame got it!

[hot badger]

yeahhh it would kinda be like that

[gloomy steeple]

The terrorist even stated himself there is no need to get in if they are already outside

[kindred abyss]

im happy that she shut the mfs down who were complaining she didn't say anything

[hot badger]

guests are COOL dont get me wrong, but i payed for taylor why should i be expecting someone else as if my life depends on it

[gloomy steeple]

I read posts of ppl on Reddit today who had tickets for Vienna and now hate Taylor with a burning passion

[hot badger]

imagine

[kindred abyss]

like this ate

[hot badger]

https://tenor.com/view/harajukuwrld-food-stan-twitter-bts-gif-21199156

[rain pagoda]

Yeah

[rain pagoda]

Same

[rain pagoda]

Maybe Taylor's statement won one or 2 of them back maybe most likely no

[gloomy steeple]

nah but she wants to offer something new every show that’s why the surprise guests are invited

[night gazelle]

and we all know what they're gonna sing anyway

like just enjoy your suprise songs

theres small chance that you'll get the one that you wanted but after the show youll change your mind about songs you get

[gloomy steeple]

Florence is prob gonna sing end game /s

[night gazelle]

you're going to like them

[kindred abyss]

i tweeted taylor nation saying "please sing the bolter x getaway car edinburgh n2" and guess what i got😝

[valid sparrow]

I like the idea that she plays the songs u need to hear idk it makes me like them more

[kindred abyss]

the bolter x getaway car 😝

[night gazelle]

this is me after hearing maroon

its 8th or 9th time she sings maroon

but I fucking loved it

[night gazelle]

RIGHT??

she played mirrorball n1 and I love lyrics now

they fit me so much I needed that

[hot badger]

TRUE. i almost do and the moment i knew grew on me SO SO MUCH after my show

[gloomy steeple]

Not sure if she would even be legally responsible for them since they are basically not registered (via tickets) - but she does care about every single one

[night gazelle]

its like this stabbing

she cared about them

[gloomy steeple]

She did visit them

[night gazelle]

didnt she inite them?

and they have pics before london n6

[gloomy steeple]

prob invite

yea ur right it’s still some kind of visit

[night gazelle]

same I like mirrorball and i was just singing it but now

oh god I feel every single word of this song

I started crying when I listened to it back home

[hot badger]

i didnt know the lyrics to tmik honestly, now the bridge's tatooed in my brain

[night gazelle]

i listened to those two maybe 3 times 😭

not my favs

the weakest song I got was I can fix him

[hot badger]

taylor swallowed a bug at my show!!! That was my special guest

[hot badger]

I LOVE ICFH (NRIC)

[gloomy steeple]

A special show

[night gazelle]

but on THIRD NIGHT SHE PLAYED THE BLACK DOG MY SONG 😭 and I already at home after 4 hour ride from warsaw

[hot badger]

We're a bit off topic in this channel lol

[night gazelle]

our special guest was broken guitar and her earbud

[night gazelle]

happens xd

on many channels

[hot badger]

while eras tour discussion channel its having its vienna moment

[night gazelle]

tbh acoustic version slayed but studio ver is boring for me

[hot badger]

it is ngl

[night gazelle]

but when she started playing i can see you chords.. omg

[night gazelle]

this song was meant to be acoustic

[hot badger]

another thing other than ss that i think becomes a part of your soul or something is the 1989 combo she wore at your show

[wary kraken]

fyi

[night gazelle]

I screamed like a bird 😭 but i was already after n1 where I screamed and danced for whole show and had damaged voice and n2 I made it worse haha

[night gazelle]

OMG I GOT MY DREAM COMBO

YELLOW PINK WAS MY TOP1 WISH FOR 1989

[untold bloom]

SO proud of her for saying this.

[knotty root]

especially it being a terrorist organization yeah it (seems) almost impossible to get rid of them. they do things to stay relevant and the most a person can do is just stop mentioning that group by name.

[knotty root]

Who said this??

[kindred abyss]

taylor posted to instagram

[untold bloom]

taylor in her most recent instagram post

[knotty root]

i just read it and everyone needs to see it, especially twitter and tiktok.

[untold bloom]

exactly

[limber mortar]

SO SO HAPPY she stood up for herself

[wraith tangle]

Taylor Swift

[next coral]

Finally

[wind gorge]

Fake swifties im afraid

Who say they’re not a fan of Taylor anymore just because she cancelled Vienna

Wasn’t her fault. If you want to take it out on someone, take it out on the terror group who were going to do it

[sonic storm]

I'm not mad that she cancelled, I'm just a bit upset that there was no real apology given out, I fully get that she couldn't say anything about the terrorists, I get that she didn't want to threaten the London shows, and I feel really bad because so many people were spreading hate about her and trying to strong arm her into saying something but I also think that she could have at least made the announcement that the shows were officially cancelled or given an apology as part of a separate post and not shoehorned it into the London post after she had called London "a dream" the way she handled it just felt a little disrespectful, and now I feel like so many swifties are hating on the Vienna fans for no reason (and also like Talyor has given people permission to hate on us), I get that there were a few people who acted like pieces of shit, but also it doesn't give anyone the right to start bullying every swifties who went to Vienna to see her perform and treat us like we are all fake fans or assholes

[vague trellis]

I don‘t think we need to feel bad about being disappointed.

We deserved a proper statement.

Don‘t let toxic fans guilt you into feeling otherwise. They are more focused on „Taylor can do not wrong and mother must be the victim and get defended at all costs“ than with actually listening to the people that are upset about Vienna being only a sidenote in her „statement“

[elfin cargo]

acting like she just woke up and said lemme cancel this irrellevant stupid citys show for no reason

[verbal raft]

you got statements from the police, none of this was her fault so why are u acting like this

[sonic storm]

What do you mean by "irrellevant stupid city"? I would like to have a civil discussion about this and you call my home an "irrellevant stupid city"

[verbal raft]

they’re just saying that certain people are acting like taylor said that, they don’t actually think that

[sonic storm]

It's not her fault at all, I know this, It's the terrorists fault, I just think she could have apologised in a Vienna centred post, like all the other tour locations got

[sonic storm]

okk, I am sorry

[kindred abyss]

no offence but the other tour locations got it because they had a show. vienna did not and instead got an explanation on why she did not say anything until now. vienna was mentioned in the post dedicated to the whole european leg.

[verbal raft]

i understand that you’re disappointed, i’d still be crying now if i were going to those shows, but the safety of almost 500k fans is ultimately more important than an instagram post. you got statements from the police, the show was cancelled to keep you safe.

[kindred abyss]

the show wasn't cancelled due to her being sick, or her being unbothered. it was cancelled to keep thousands of people safe.

[wind gorge]

Im hardly a toxic fan 😂😂😂 if you’d ever seen me talk you’d know im not.

I’m very aware she can do wrong and isn’t perfect. But it’s literally not her fault. I sympathise with you Vienna guys whole heartedly, but I was talking about a post someone shared earlier, to say you’re not a fan of her at all anymore because of it is just stupid, and shows no kind of loyalty when she has done nothing wrong.

[kindred abyss]

"i'm no longer a fan of her and don't listen to her music" because she tried to keep people safe? okay, feel free to never listen again!

[vague trellis]

So? It was her tour. It‘s on her to give a proper statement for her fans in Vienna.

This might shock you, but you can‘t tell me how to feel. Not making you upset by criticizing Taylor for the way she handled is not my responsibility.

[sonic storm]

I know and I’m saying that, I just think that personally I understand why she didn’t speak out about the terrorists, but she could have at least said that the shows were actually canceled, it’s not that I’m not a fan anymore, I’m just really disappointed that we were all kind of swept under the rug

[kindred abyss]

no one is telling you how to feel, you are just being rude as hell to everyone who disagrees with you

[wind gorge]

That might be true and you can will be upset, nobodies saying otherwise; but that still doesn’t mean you have to be a dick

[elfin cargo]

telling you how to feel and telling you that its insensitive and selfish to demand a ‘proper statement’ are two completely different things, theres nothing to say, you know as much as she does regarding what was to happen

[verbal raft]

funnily enough, celebrities are real people and process real things much like us!! hating on taylor will only make the situation worse, safety will always be the #1 priority and if you don’t see that maybe you simply don’t understand the danger of the situation

but at the end of the day, people will come at taylor no matter what. and i don’t think doing that will make them feel any better abt their concert being cancelled

[elfin cargo]

its so irritating especially since its taylor swift, whos cancelled a show only in 1 other occassion, some acts cancel their shows due to rain and its crickets

[vague trellis]

It‘s not hating. You guys just see any constructive criticism as hate, because you are that far into the fandom.

[kindred abyss]

girl im a grown adult i don't care what blondie does, you're just a dick to everyone

if ur a dick to people, expect them to be dicks back

[vague trellis]

Whatever you say

[verbal raft]

i’d rather be far into a fandom than be a negative nancy like YOU!!

[kindred abyss]

and this is why people are dicks to you

[vague trellis]

Yeah I don‘t doubt that you enjoy being that lost in parasocial relationships. Hope you had your fun

[kindred abyss]

it's not parasocial to be a decent human being

[wind gorge]

I’m not getting involved anymore

[verbal raft]

i’m literally a teenage girl, what would you expect a teenage girl to do 💀

[vague trellis]

You are not a decent human being by telling disappointed fans how to feel. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[wind gorge]

WE’RE NOT

[kindred abyss]

i have never told you how to feel

i have told you that you are a dick to people who disagree

[open oak]

@dusk osprey here too i guess

[kindred abyss]

you can be disappointed, that's fine. but stop being a massive dick. im done with this and not replying to you anymore.

[wind gorge]

It’s a shit show

[kindred abyss]

GOD

[dusk osprey]

yeah i was already here reading through everything

[dusk osprey]

at this point i think everyone just needs to chill out and maybe this thread needs to be shut down cause there's nothing else to really discuss

i will say however there is a difference between being upset at the vienna situation or being upset cause you lost out on going to eras tour after waiting on the show for a year plus vs taking it all out on taylor cause hey she didn't speak up etc

from what she said in her statement and what we all speculated before she did speak: she didn't want to say anything due to safety concerns

and considering none of her tour team said anything about the situation and hell hayley williams didnt say anything about it until she was gone from vienna it shows they wanted to take things serious and carefully

this is a super sensitive situation and it just feels wrong to try and point the finger at taylor this and that

she's only ever canceled a show ONCE before vienna and that was thailand on red tour which was completely out of her control and due to political unrest in the country

to which she did apologize on twitter etc however political unrest is MUCH MUCH DIFFERENT VS A THREAT FROM ISIS

again i'm not saying if you were meant to go to vienna you should cope and shut up you're allowed to be sad that the shows didn't happen like if i was in your position i would've been DEVASTATED as well

but would i have taken it out on taylor? hell no

[wind gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/all-of-this-pointing-up-there-see-this-gif-14720503

[elfin cargo]

and thats how you clear a *

[kindred abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/harajukuwrld-food-stan-twitter-bts-gif-21199156

[topaz kernel]

mikeey ATE with that

[dusk osprey]

let's not stir up drama and shit pls

like no name calling towards users who were saying stuff against it

[open oak]

thanks mikeey youre the best 🫶🏻

[wind gorge]

Thanks mikey 🫶🏼

[sonic storm]

I just want to speak for all the Vienna swifties who don’t hate Taylor, it wasn’t her choice to cancel and even if it was she should have, I just want all the hate to stop on both sides, there is no need to send hate to Taylor for doing something unavoidable or try to pressure her into making a statement, but it is also not at all fair to use this as an “I told you so moment” to the Vienna fans who just wanted to hear that their favourite artist cares about them, as I’m certain anyone would, this community is so much better than both of these things and I do see toxicity from both sides where there should be love and that’s what’s disappointing me most

[gloomy steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRpr8mg1qs8

[blazing robin]

quick question, what's the best way taylor should've gone about this in your opinion?

[open oak]

move past it please, mikeey said to stop bringing it up

[vague trellis]

I already answered that twice. I have no interest in arguing with people who only want to jump at every critic’s throat anymore. Stop tagging me. Thanks.

[topaz kernel]

maybe this chat should be closed already

[blazing robin]

I'm not trying to jump at your throat, truly just wondering what you believe she could've done better

[open oak]

why are you ignoring the fact mikeey said to stop? you are part of the problem

[blazing robin]

It seems like every other scenario just ends up in horrible outcomes

[dusk osprey]

at this point as mentioned this conversation has gone in circles

she's put out the statement and there's nothing really else to talk about in regards to the vienna stuff so

i'm gonna be closing this thread