Eras Tour Vienna Cancellation

[heady sky]

And we're still waiting

[crisp yarrow]

It is true

[heady sky]

What makes you so sure

[topaz kernel]

bruh, u cant spread this kind of stuff without valid proof

[kindred abyss]

stop yapping and send proof

[topaz kernel]

ur souce rn is trust me bro

[heady sky]

Giving trust me bro fr

[kindred abyss]

trust me guys i heard it from my family friend's goldfish's roommate

[heady sky]

SEND PROOF RN

[tepid juniper]

They wouldn’t put Taylor in the white house lol

She wouldnt get secret service protection 🤨

[kindred abyss]

it's why this is so funny to me bc what is this person talking about 😭

[heady sky]

I read that and I was so dumbfounded

[topaz kernel]

fr

[kindred abyss]

i sat and stared at it for a solid 5 mins before replying

[silent cypress]

Your sources tells all lies btw

[topaz kernel]

i read that and went thats some tiktok/twitter kind of "info"

[heady sky]

If you're gonna make jokes about serious shit, then don't be here

[heady sky]

?

[topaz kernel]

???

[heady sky]

Madison what are you about

[kindred abyss]

i think they are getting the pfps mixed up

[silent cypress]

Literally hate when people makes a joke btw

Like I hate when some of the sources is a lie

[heady sky]

Especially on serious cases

[topaz kernel]

yea prob

[heady sky]

Trustworthy sources like the Guardian and Evening Standard

[silent cypress]

Same..

[topaz kernel]

maybe we should have all the same pfp and no one can tell us apart

[kindred abyss]

LMFAO

[silent cypress]

Miss the old newspapers on the streets

[heady sky]

People like reading on trains and buses. That's why newspapers exist

The difference between newspapers and mobiles are you don't need a signal for newspapers 😂

And newspapers are easy to find inside buses and train stations so ye there's that

[topaz kernel]

nothing is being said in my local news bout what happned

[gloomy steeple]

which country

[topaz kernel]

singapore

[heady sky]

Odd

Do the Singapore reporters just not care or something?

[topaz kernel]

oh wait nvm they are

i didnt see propely

[heady sky]

Oh ok

[topaz kernel]

like when i type eras tour vienna in google, none of my local news pop up

is all bbc the guardian etc

[heady sky]

The guardian is trustworthy

[carmine cove]

It’s literally not lol, the US government would never hide her and all of her dancers in the White House of all places. Even if a grain of that was true the White House isn’t even a good hiding location

[silver mango]

why the white house?? why would she be in hiding with the US government?

[wraith tangle]

With london shows coming up I expect taylor to say something

[royal oasis]

@gloomy steeple you went out yet?

[topaz kernel]

i dont ngl

[mellow bane]

hi

[limber mortar]

i dont, i think she’ll take her time, as she should

[limber mortar]

^^^
its not a great location to hide people anyway

[hazy valve]

If you’re not gonna show proof of what you’re saying then just don’t yap about false info.

There’s alr enough misinformation going around as it is.

[nimble aurora]

why tf would she be at the white house😭😭😭 be fucking for real

[hazy valve]

It’s just dumb

“trust me bro” trust me bro you’re not fooling anyone

[untold ginkgo]

they think ruining people's happiness is smth great 🤣

[pastel scarab]

Source: Random person on discord

[untold ginkgo]

feel so bad for vienna swifties

[gloomy steeple]

What are we thinking about this channel

It’s sad

[mellow bane]

im stuck in vienna at airport still bc myflight got cancelled

[topaz kernel]

spreading misinformation channel

[gloomy steeple]

Damn. Still?

[mellow bane]

yep so im going to downtown

[gloomy steeple]

Ass channel really

[gloomy steeple]

How long do you have to wait till the next flight

[mellow bane]

1 week

[gloomy steeple]

nahhhh

[mellow bane]

it was the only open one going to where my layover is

[gloomy steeple]

Where do you need to go to

[untold ginkgo]

wtf is this channel yapping about

[mellow bane]

tokyo

[gloomy steeple]

uh god and there are flights only once a week

[mellow bane]

ikr

[gloomy steeple]

That’s crazy

[mellow bane]

you in vienna?

[topaz kernel]

imo, they hate taylor and want to show how bad of a peron taylor really is, so they push out these kind of vids

[mellow bane]

i was supposed to be n1 and n3

[atomic axle]

Dang thay sucks I hope you get a flight

[gloomy steeple]

Well not in the city center because I did not go out since days

[mellow bane]

fr

[gloomy steeple]

2 nights? wow

[mellow bane]

im going to a cafe cause why not

[gloomy steeple]

I paid 4 times more than the original ticket price for my n1 ticket

[atomic axle]

Ya content farms are the worst

[gloomy steeple]

fuck it I thought I’d pay any price to see taytay

[mellow bane]

my freinds were goin w/ me but they are home they got a flight

[topaz kernel]

omg

[mellow bane]

she livesin LA

[gloomy steeple]

I did make more bracelets today

[atomic axle]

Dang

[gloomy steeple]

And my skills improved quite a bit

[mellow bane]

i was going to get floorseats by the suprise song stage area

[gloomy steeple]

I stopped since I heard about the cancellation

[mellow bane]

im going to eat dinner somewhere

its 5:21

[gloomy steeple]

Then I was feeling trash for the last few days and did nothing but sit at home and often cry - I thought n1 would have been the night of my life

[mellow bane]

i was at the show when she announced speak now and 1989 by luck help-

[gloomy steeple]

I will maybe go to the vinyl store beside my old workplace on Monday

[rain pagoda]

I was wondering if you where still there

[mellow bane]

lol

[gloomy steeple]

I really planned today and got up at 6 am, showered and then felt awful so I went to bed again

[mellow bane]

waiting for flight for tokyo its in a week

do u guys reccomend food places in vienna?

[atomic axle]

That was full circle

[gloomy steeple]

I never was at a show before. I have no financial resources to organize an America trip for a show

[rain pagoda]

That was lol

[mellow bane]

i buy tickets right before the shows on resales

[gloomy steeple]

well uh I was at so many expensive ones

[mellow bane]

which one was best?

[gloomy steeple]

Depends what you want

[topaz kernel]

wait did u get refunded for ur vienna tickets?

[mellow bane]

i didnt yet

[gloomy steeple]

Stubhub promised me it

[mellow bane]

ticketmaster never gave me it yet

[gloomy steeple]

Maybe I‘ll go to Cornelius street on Monday to see if there is still someone there - I guess the local swifties are

[topaz kernel]

i think some swifites are gonna try for the london shows, idk wheter yall can tho, get last min tix for them

[mellow bane]

im going there monday too!

[mellow bane]

thats what im gonna try

[gloomy steeple]

But ik a few local swifties (I am not close friends with them but anyways I am getting along well with them) and they are all at home

[mellow bane]

oh i know nobody here except some of my discord friends

[atomic axle]

I wonder if there will be an Exceptions for people who missed the last three shows?

[mellow bane]

love the name

[gloomy steeple]

Nobody from the local community ik irl who hasn‘t stranded yet is in the city center - except some ppl ik from social media

[atomic axle]

Thanks 😊

[topaz kernel]

maybe more shows will be added to compensate the cancelled shows

[mellow bane]

ofc shade never made anyone less gay

[atomic axle]

100

Maybe the Tickets could be for those shows.And they get a free hotel or something

[rain pagoda]

That's not a bad idea

[mellow bane]

my mom is going crazy cause im stuck here lmao

she is like if people hit on you wear your defense taylor swift merch lmao

[gloomy steeple]

I first thought I am so shit at making these bracelets - since I never was at a show before which means I never had the opportunity to trade any but I actually improved

[coral osprey]

All the streets there have been locked up by the police. You dont see the, in the videos bc they locked up the whole area, not just the small one the swifties are at

[gloomy steeple]

2 fell apart at some point but the other 3 are still holding up well

[gloomy steeple]

They locked the streets near the stadium I guess - I wasn‘t there after Wednesday tho

[mellow bane]

i spent the day she announced vienna shows making a midnights bodysuit and rep outfit 😭

i spent like 1 year makiing them

[atomic axle]

100

[mellow bane]

ikr

[coral osprey]

I wasnt in vienna but lots of my friends were & they told me about stuff. Police is there but in the „backround“ to keep the crowds safe

[mellow bane]

this boy was staring at me then i put on a eras tour sweat shit then walked away

[gloomy steeple]

They are now still

[mellow bane]

shirt*

[coral osprey]

As they should tbh

[gloomy steeple]

Shit 😭

[mellow bane]

sweat shit is crazy

[rain pagoda]

Autocorrect?

[gloomy steeple]

Sweating shit omg

[mellow bane]

yes lmao

[rain pagoda]

I hate autocorrect

[mellow bane]

LMAO

[gloomy steeple]

Still I loved the atmosphere on Wednesday at the stadium

[mellow bane]

i said smuckers in chat before cause we were talking abt jam and it said "fuckers"

lmao

[rain pagoda]

Lol

[gloomy steeple]

Autocorrect says slackers instead of smackers

[mellow bane]

lmao

[gloomy steeple]

That‘s so weird

The cutest thing I saw at Wednesday at the stadium was a custom made ttpd hair ribbon

[mellow bane]

I FOUND A SWIFTIE BOY WHOSE HITTING ON ME

[gloomy steeple]

Whoever that girl was that idea was genius

[mellow bane]

im scared

[gloomy steeple]

what

[tepid juniper]

marriage?

[rain pagoda]

Um

[mellow bane]

i hope

[tepid juniper]

ask where the ring is?

[mellow bane]

guys what do i do?

[gloomy steeple]

Marriage at the locked stadium is depressive ngl

[mellow bane]

oml fr

[rain pagoda]

Idk

[mellow bane]

he kinda hot tho

[hazy valve]

No life activity type ass channel

[mellow bane]

so gen alpha channels

[rain pagoda]

Exactly

[gloomy steeple]

I wonder if anyone is still there at Monday

[hazy valve]

Ong

[mellow bane]

he is singing love story to me

[gloomy steeple]

Most stranded ppl have flights which are booked since a year

[mellow bane]

i leave friday but it might get cancelled

[gloomy steeple]

And even if they are at N3 they‘ll prob leave tmr

It’s sad tho

[mellow bane]

my mom said i want grandbabies help-

[gloomy steeple]

It was really swifting in town when I last was in the city center at Wednesday

[heady sky]

6 is a reasonable number

[rain pagoda]

Um

[gloomy steeple]

I am really torn apart in terms of relationships rn personally

[heady sky]

[hazy valve]

Same

[mellow bane]

i told him the line from dress and iggyb

"i only bought this dress so you can take it off, wether im gonna pull you into the closet"

[rain pagoda]

Dang autocorrect

[mellow bane]

fr

guys im in lve

[rain pagoda]

Autocorrect again

[mellow bane]

love*

[heady sky]

Wether I'm gonna take off your dress or pull you into the closet, haven't decided yet but I'm gonna get you back

[mellow bane]

thats what i said help-

wait i didnt read it right

help- nvm

[mellow bane]

he just said that you mind reader

[heady sky]

[gloomy steeple]

There are quite nice activities for swifties rn in Vienna since the city is showing support - why the fuck was I feeling like trash anytime I planned to go out in the last few days

[mellow bane]

activites iykyk with that dude help- im so srry

[gloomy steeple]

Today I told my compulsory education teacher that the concert was cancelled and she said „ah, so you were able to relax at home instead“ - bruhhhhhhhhh

[hazy valve]

What

[mellow bane]

lmao-

[hazy valve]

The activities look fun imo

[gloomy steeple]

I had literal mental breakdowns because the show was my motivation for over a year and I was 1300% hyped I was so broken

[heady sky]

Tbh I thought Vienna swifties were taking cover and protection, not partying on the streets

[mellow bane]

lmao my mom thought it was a war zone

[gloomy steeple]

In the hotel‘s room closet

[heady sky]

There's always ways

[mellow bane]

ikr

[rain pagoda]

Austria is not a war zone Bruh

[mellow bane]

fr

[heady sky]

It really isn't. It's beautiful

[rain pagoda]

Last time that place got touched by war was WW2

[mellow bane]

maybe also hotel bathroom or bed 💀

[rain pagoda]

💀

[gloomy steeple]

No not necessary. Many ppl love the swifties in Vienna, they are welcome. Yk the goofy ass haters are always chilling somewhere but you just ignore them

[mellow bane]

help-

[hazy valve]

Wtf is even the topic anymore

[gloomy steeple]

In the airport toilet

[mellow bane]

maybe

[rain pagoda]

I don't even know what's happening anymore

[mellow bane]

HES GOING TO TOKYO ON SAME FLIGHT AS ME AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[rain pagoda]

Panic

[mellow bane]

HE SITS NEXT TO ME THE ODDS

[rain pagoda]

1 in a million

[gloomy steeple]

Man last time I was at vie airport at a toilet is smelt so terrible I‘d have puked

[rain pagoda]

TMI

[mellow bane]

same but maybe airplane bathroom too

[gloomy steeple]

Everywhere possible

Like a goal - 14 times before you arrive in Tokyo

[mellow bane]

deal

[heady sky]

TMI EWWW

[gloomy steeple]

Mommy I got a real girl during I was on a trip to Vienna - I did it 14 times

[mellow bane]

"mommy"

[heady sky]

Who's mommy?

[mellow bane]

help-

[rain pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-what-the-hell-is-happening-sam-waterston-sol-bergstein-martin-sheen-robert-hanson-gif-17586392

[heady sky]

Mommy wants to know your location

[mellow bane]

when i was at LAx it was 16 times for me he snuck in those special chocolates that was my ex tho

[rain pagoda]

I don't know what out of what's being said to believe as ture or not

[wraith tangle]

What is going on

[heady sky]

What about mommy?

[mellow bane]

exactly

[hazy valve]

Some tomfoolery

[rain pagoda]

I don't even know

[wraith tangle]

Who is mommy

[gloomy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/well-nicki-taylor-geng-okay-alright-gif-17690232

[heady sky]

[rain pagoda]

Yeah Tomfoolery

[wraith tangle]

[rain pagoda]

Sums it up

[mellow bane]

how did it go from happy to talking about where we done it elp-

[gloomy steeple]

Anyways we need to cheer ourselves up

[heady sky]

[hazy valve]

Done what 💀

[mellow bane]

shush

[heady sky]

Done what mommy says

[hazy valve]

No

[mellow bane]

[hazy valve]

Yall are Meredith level weird no offense

[rain pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-m60t-turkish-tank-tsk-syria-gif-23298742

[mellow bane]

HEY

[heady sky]

Don't say no to mommy

[rain pagoda]

Tank for no reason other then why not

[hazy valve]

Truth hurts

[heady sky]

Mommy never tanks

Mommy strong 💪

[mellow bane]

mommy never blows

[gloomy steeple]

I hope they put the terrorists before that tank and shoot their head away with a bullet from the tank

[mellow bane]

that sounded wrong

[rain pagoda]

That works

[heady sky]

...Mommy never sucks

[gloomy steeple]

Mommy strongest

[mellow bane]

mommy never comes edit:not like that

[heady sky]

OH.

[mellow bane]

NOT LIKE THAT

[heady sky]

😭

[mellow bane]

w/ this boy i might pull a icfh(nric)

iykyk

[heady sky]

Good boy. That's right. Come close

[gloomy steeple]

Come in the closet

[mellow bane]

that line

[mellow bane]

ofc he can

[wraith tangle]

Ok that's enough mommy talk

@dusk osprey see above

[mellow bane]

GUYS WE PULLING A I CAN FIX HIM HES PULLING ME TO HIS HOTEL

[heady sky]

Only if he's an angel

[rain pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-m60t-turkish-tank-tsk-syria-gif-23298742

[mellow bane]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-m60t-turkish-tank-tsk-syria-gif-23298742

[heady sky]

All night

[gloomy steeple]

long

[mellow bane]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-america-usa-im-sorry-i-cant-hear-you-over-the-sound-of-my-freedom-gif-9521927

[dusk osprey]

wtf is going on in here

[mellow bane]

ofc

[dusk osprey]

bro wth

[rain pagoda]

Merica 🦅

[heady sky]

Um

[dusk osprey]

this is meant to be a serious thread about the cancelation/plot

[mellow bane]

it went off track you need the know the story first

[dusk osprey]

not yall being weirdos acting like it's a fucking general channel

jesus christ

[mellow bane]

lmao

[gloomy steeple]

we need to cheer ourselves up

[mellow bane]

🤓 ☝️

[heady sky]

Trying to um... comfort ourselves?

[gloomy steeple]

Last few days have been hard and that‘s not a joke

[mellow bane]

ofc i am going to w/ this dude

we are comforting

that sounded wrong

[hazy valve]

Ty

[heady sky]

Stop making it sound wrong. Use wise words

[gloomy steeple]

That‘s genuinely the first time I was amused since Wednesday

[mellow bane]

guys we at his hotel 🔥 😱

[heady sky]

COMPOSE

[hazy valve]

You’re in a thread about a serious talk

[rain pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/war-thunder-meme-spin-tank-gif-4023090852990224147

[hazy valve]

Be for real ffs, this isn’t your homeland Meredith

[gloomy steeple]

Bro is the driver on drugs

[mellow bane]

either i am kidnapped or i found the loml

[rain pagoda]

Me not understanding what's happening anymore

[dusk osprey]

slow mode in here has been put up to 30 seconds since yall wanna just not behave and act like this is a general channel when this was made as a SERIOUS CHANNEL SO PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE FOILED PLOT

[mellow bane]

move to genreal peeps

[rain pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/swifferpics-taylor-swift-taylor-swift-eras-tour-thumbs-up-gif-1221005149255065520

[gloomy steeple]

At least it did not happen

[mellow bane]

go to taylor discussion

[hazy valve]

Going back to the thread topic.. has anymore new information came out about the whole incident?

[mellow bane]

idk

[gloomy steeple]

Well since I am a local I am able to understand the press conferences better since they are not being translated - I will keep y‘all updated if there‘s sth new

[dusk osprey]

for the vienna side of things i don't think so but i know london has a soccer game at wembley atm with wayyyyyyy more security compared to usual so they're prepared

[gloomy steeple]

The other ts server doesn‘t give a fuck anymore - these girlies moved on yesterday already

[hazy valve]

Ok so we can expect the same amount of security there when Taylor performs in wembley hopefully

[dusk osprey]

p much yeah

[gloomy steeple]

If you say sth about the Vienna tragedy no one is interested - they were but not anymore

[hazy valve]

🙏

[dusk osprey]

today is basically like a test run for them

which is good at least

[wraith tangle]

Seems like a lot of people here moved on as well as evident in the chat above

[kindred abyss]

i saw online that someone's bag was checked at 3 different checkpoints before entry

[wraith tangle]

I can see longer lines and more time to get in

[gloomy steeple]

Do they wanna do that for half a million people

[hazy valve]

That’s good news, now all we need is other stadiums to follow wembleys footsteps (reinforce security)

[kindred abyss]

half a million? what concert has half a million

[gloomy steeple]

yea, I am still shocked. When I read the news I felt like my heart was shattered into millions of pieces

But with time it gets better but yk if you are so directly affected as the Vienna swifties it‘s harder to move on

[wraith tangle]

Probably total number of people across all the wembley shows

[gloomy steeple]

500000 are to be expected right

[gloomy steeple]

yes.

[barren badger]

I still haven’t moved on and still feeling pretty sad (glad that we are safe and sound)

[kindred abyss]

ok? and their job is to thoroughly search, they're gonna have to deal with longer queues. they should do their job properly. i'd happily wait longer if it made my experience there safer.

i didn't feel safe at edinburgh through security at all, i wasn't searched and my brother got in with a back pack. this is coming from someone who used to work in event security at concerts.

[hazy valve]

If it means me waiting a few extra hours for the sake of my safety I’d gladly wait

[gloomy steeple]

I still haven‘t either. It‘s not a time when I can take stuff with humor - it is something which hurts me deeply that we were so close to see her

[dusk osprey]

honestly some of the stories i've heard for shows in EU have me going huh

like with security and stuff

like in the US we're always getting bags checked and shit like that

for london they're apparently gonna have bomb sniffing dogs etc and my first though was like

[kindred abyss]

it's crazy, they don't care at all. i've never been searched at a big concert, only small gigs.

[dusk osprey]

...........we have that in the us for all our shows normally

like is that not common there?

[gloomy steeple]

They also planned that in Vienna

[kindred abyss]

sniffer dogs are common for football games im sure because of flares and fireworks? if i remember correctly

[hazy valve]

Ig it’s not tbh

[dusk osprey]

i feel like every stadium i've been to for the big shows there's always armed police and state troopers along with like the dogs for that kind of thing

[kindred abyss]

concerts they aren't common at all

[gloomy steeple]

The plans were just too well made to assure a good level of safety

[mellow bane]

ello

[kindred abyss]

yeah the guy who got hired had likely already accessed the stadium too, so he already scoped it all out

[gloomy steeple]

They planned to organize special vehicles for Vienna shows to be able to protect the people outside

[dusk osprey]

i think that was the main reason for the cancellation

[kindred abyss]

when i done concert security we got into the venue a few days before to help with concert build up

[dusk osprey]

like you can't have a show go on if one of the people arrested was also a stadium worker

[kindred abyss]

yeah they just couldn't ensure 100% safety

[gloomy steeple]

Also that there were connections and there was a rumor that some stage builders did take part in other bloody criminal activities last month in Vienna

It was just wars between groups of men but there were a few people hurt and they damaged quite a bit of stuff

[kindred abyss]

god

[gloomy steeple]

Did these wars with everything possible which hurts people

Even self made weapons or just axes

They did do it at a train station once and once in a park

It was mostly wars which originated between groups in the south but the immigrants who are part of it did pull these out in Vienna

[heady sky]

Cruel betrayal of trust. I hate that. 😔

[gloomy steeple]

If I was the organizer I would have not risked to let tay perform there either

The swifties also have a reputation to be a relatively calm fanbase in Vienna

Because there are football fanbases often in Vienna who literally destroy every shit around them and the damage costs are often huge

[heady sky]

Omg fr. They took a hard loss but still continued to have fun

[gloomy steeple]

I had no fun in the last few days ngl

[heady sky]

Again truly sorry George. There's always gott be idiots jeopardising the fun

[gloomy steeple]

They destroyed an entire subway station at the beginning of this year, burned a row of cars last month, etc

[heady sky]

Oh dear. They causing extreme pollution. Ugh

[gloomy steeple]

Shit is I have to travel through ternitz quite often. Most fucked up village in Austria

It is usually not even minded anymore that some fans of these other fanbases are hating on the enemies fanbase via spraying all their thoughts on the walls and making everything look shittier

[heady sky]

I've always learnt that there are two types of humans on this planet who tries to repair Planet Earth from destruction or destroy it even further.

[gloomy steeple]

The swifties are a calm community and also the non swifties love stuff like exchanging bracelets

That‘s why they are pretty much loved in Vienna. There are haters yes but you just ignore them

[heady sky]

I don't see why others see us as harmful and corrupted. We're literally doing our best to help others and grow as a community

[gloomy steeple]

We are a pretty cool but huge fanbase. And usually we have a feeling that everyone who identifies themselves as a fan is pretty much a friend and not an asshole

[heady sky]

Exactly omg that's what I enjoy and love about being apart of the swiftie community. We love to have fun

I admit, some swifties do take it too extreme which is a shame. It damages our reputation.

[gloomy steeple]

And we are not as hateful towards other communities than like for example football fanbases

Look how far Kanye has pulled out the hate and how bad it has gotten

[heady sky]

True even though I'm not really a huge football fan I'm not going to just jeopardise the fun they have it. They enjoy the competition.

[hazy valve]

No fan base is perfect. The kpop fan base is wild imo they’re not perfect. Same goes for others.

[wraith tangle]

A lot (not all) of swiftie demographics are female and teenagers. Different from the drunk football hooligans which are more commonly men

[heady sky]

True. None of us are perfect either.

[hazy valve]

Exactly.

[wraith tangle]

People are crazier about sports than music too

[coral osprey]

damn they gotta set up the stage very quick then for thursday

[wraith tangle]

There's a competition element in sport fan bases and head to head

[coral osprey]

oh yeah no that did not happen in Gelsenkirchen, even tho the stadium rules stated before were VERY strict 💀 entrance was too slow so they stopped checking

[gloomy steeple]

The competition is important at games like this. Even tho I am not a big fan of football I am a huge tech nerd and I can see how important competition is in terms of innovation for example. If there is no real competitor the others will not feel pressured to do anything exciting since they are already the best and can‘t be beaten.

[heady sky]

The thrill of sporty competition is admirable I must say

[gloomy steeple]

The amount of male swifties is often underestimated

[wraith tangle]

Yes but majority are female

[gloomy steeple]

But speaking of the majority yes

[heady sky]

OMG YES. Taylor swift is not just a girls only thing. She literally has The Man and more.

[coral osprey]

what has the man to do with the gender of her fans

[gloomy steeple]

See it isn‘t really dependent on your gender or sexual orientation how you feel music in general

[wind gorge]

Nothing 🤣

[heady sky]

If i was a man, I'd be the man... It's self-motivational for me as a male swiftie

[gloomy steeple]

Many ppl think only 90 year old men listen to classical music but there are also some teens who sometimes do get back to it and listen to it

[coral osprey]

I mean...you go girl but I doubt Taylor wrote the song bc the minority of her fans are male 😭

[wind gorge]

I mean, I get it. And you can have it how you want it to be, but that’s surely like saying the people who misinterpreted Anti Hero; as Taylor admiting she’s a problem sort of thing

[gloomy steeple]

That‘s not the point whom she wrote it for. You also didn‘t have to have a relationship with specifically john mayer to be able to feel dear John

[heady sky]

Anti-Hero is just a self reflection song like if you feel like you fit in where you are or not

[kindred abyss]

you can interpret songs in any way you wanna

[gloomy steeple]

You can interpret any music in a different way really

[kindred abyss]

like the man could easily motivate a male fan

it might not be its true purpose but its possible for it to do so

[coral osprey]

thats true, I didnt think about that POV. Thanks!

[heady sky]

Music is all up for interpretation. Just sharing mine

You don't actually need relationships just to feel those songs

[heady sky]

You can relate to Dear John if you have a friend or someone connected in your life whose name is John 😂

[hazy valve]

Exactly

[gloomy steeple]

I agree on that

[gloomy steeple]

what if you are named john and listen to dear john 💀

[heady sky]

Be grateful. Same with Aimee.

[shadow blade]

lol i wonder what this discussion is about

[amber crest]

Wembley always has a lot of police - until you get into the stadium
I’ve moved seats before - even to the back where you’re ’not supposed to go’ and there was no security

[hazy valve]

?

[shadow blade]

no i was confused over what the conversation was about until i read up

[hazy valve]

Ohhh

[royal oasis]

yeah I think so too, they'd have to sweep the entire stadium which is just impossible on such short notice

also seeing videos of locals putting out speaks out their window to play taylor

is just <3 im crying

[gloomy steeple]

For the people who are stuck in vienna, on austria's main tv channel they're playing the eras tour movie at 21:45 (local time)

https://tv.orf.at/stories/240810_taylor_swift100.html

[terse summit]

🥹 https://fxtwitter.com/Calliope13/status/1822041497522598261

[royal oasis]

nbo way

[open oak]

am i the only one who finds these videos so weird????

[pallid dagger]

Cool thing I learned: the Austrian government actually isn't allowed to spy on private messenger apps. That's how the terrorists communicated it. It was actually the USA, who does spy, who caught it and told the government

[open oak]

where was this confirmed? that’s interesting

[spring plank]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP811kCJK/

AHH THIS SONG HAS A WHOLE DIFFERENT MEANING….

[heady sky]

I can hear it

[spring plank]

It’s Tsmwel

“Were you sent by someone who wanted me dead”

[heady sky]

GIVE. ME. BACK. MY. GIRRHOOD. IT. WAS. MINE. FIRST.

[stoic kayak]

not surprising

the US knew of Russia's invasion plans for a long time, and kept informing Ukraine

[silver mango]

i don't think things like this are very appropriate or sensitive for the situation

[orchid birch]

And I think that for Taylor no one is going to be allowed outside of the stadium due to safety

[heady sky]

Being outside of the stadium causes you to be more vulnerable

[verbal raft]

i think that also may depend on what team is playing tho let me check who it is

[dusk osprey]

it was man city / man united

[verbal raft]

ohh right

[pastel scarab]

Yeah it wasn't a big like match, but the teams are rivals (not as fierce rivals as some around the world)

So it would've had a lot of security.

[open oak]

Community shield 🔥

[spring plank]

Omg I didn’t notice it was this not the other one wrong section Srry

[rain pagoda]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP81J2UMt/

Church in Vienna plays Don't Blame Me

TAKE US TO CHURCH! Literally

[hazy valve]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP81JVhnp/

saw this and I literally shed tears.

[mellow bane]

hi

[granite anchor]

Has anyone else goten the qr code for the tickets in the oetickets app

[north laurel]

TAKE US TO CHURCH TAYLOR

[foggy parcel]

Can you send the link to this plz

[crisp yarrow]

https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/12160692/travis-kelce-taylor-swift-vienna-caneled-shows-terrorist-attack/amp/

[heady sky]

That's from the Sun. I don't trust the Sun

[crisp yarrow]

Well considering it’s 4 days away from the concert we can assume it’s going ahead

[heady sky]

I suppose so

[gloomy steeple]

Summary of the latest news on Austria’s main news channel:

The lawyer of the main terrorist did revoke the confession he did to the police a few days ago. She stated he is a normal person, doesn‘t defend the IS, did build bombs as a hobby and just wanted to be „cool“ by planning a terror attack.

In which fucking world are we living? Why do these ppl deserve a lawyer?

[gloomy steeple]

The sources are said to have told much lately. The official statement is still not published tho

[foggy parcel]

Wdym

[gloomy steeple]

It‘s always those „sources close to“ the newspapers are talking about. That could be just made up but I am sure Travis did at least talk with her about the incident.

[barren palm]

btw the 17 year old got released. its so crazyx and sad. i still cry when i hear a ts song

[gloomy steeple]

That it would be nice if not sources would put some rumors in the world, instead it’s really time to publish an official statement.

[gloomy steeple]

The 17 year old got not released did he

Who said that

Any source to back that up because I found that nowhere

[foggy parcel]

???

Can they put him back in what the hell???

[gloomy steeple]

Nobody ever said the 17 year old got released

There is no news about that whatsoever

[hazy valve]

In what world would you even win a case like that 💀

[gloomy steeple]

I am not sure. But what is wrong with this bullshit lawyer

[barren palm]

my parents heard it on radio ö3 today

[gloomy steeple]

Ö3 should not provide any misinformation

[hazy valve]

There is no defending them there is no logical explanation at all

[gloomy steeple]

There is proof and he told the police that people who don’t believe in the IS have to die.

Like wtf are these claims he is such a calm person and shit

[hazy valve]

Honestly throw that lawyer away and throw the keys away

[gloomy steeple]

https://oe3.orf.at/programm/stories/oe3-nachrichten/

Ok I’ll listen to Ö3 now

Can’t hear anything about the incident at all

They just didn’t even mention it

[hazy valve]

Spreading misinformation is crazy.

[gloomy steeple]

@hazy valve it’s also crazy that the sun mentioned all that would cost 6000$ because it isn’t even remotely possible for that stuff to cost that much. If that would have costed 6000$ he must have sent 2 entire pickup trucks full of chocolate and I guess Taylor wouldn’t be happy about that amount of chocolate.

[kindred abyss]

what the fuck

[hazy valve]

Chocolate? $6000? What are you talking about? I’m lost.

[gloomy steeple]

That article you replied to before mentioned he spent 6000$ on chocolate for Taylor

[hazy valve]

Ohhhh

[hazy valve]

Who would openly take $6k in chocolate 💀

[heady sky]

What's this about chocolate???

[pallid dagger]

It's wild to me if they actually get a slap on the wrist for plotting terrorism and trying to kill hundreds if not thousands of people

Unpopular opinion: terrorists should be given life in prison

[rain pagoda]

If it's 100% confirmed that they are a terrorists and they did or almost killed hundreds of people then I can agree with this

[crisp yarrow]

He also bought her roses and other flowers

[pallid dagger]

Sure, it seems like with these people they were definitely on the brink of doing it

[rain pagoda]

Yeah

[open oak]

what's the update

[gloomy steeple]

The update is bullshit lawyers trying to make ppl believe the terrorists are innocent - apart from that, no statement from taytay yet

[rain pagoda]

At this point im starting to wonder if Taylor is going to even say anything

[wraith tangle]

She needs to say something imo

Some acknowledgement

[pallid dagger]

She probably needs some time to think before she can

She's prepping for a few big shows in London right now, she's gotta get that done first imo

[rain pagoda]

Yeah maybe around London she will say something

[kindred abyss]

no she doesn't

[wraith tangle]

she cant just continue like nothing happend and show up in london

even just a generic statement

[rain pagoda]

Exactly

She has to say something

[wraith tangle]

even a thank you to intelligence and vienna for making most of an unfortunate situation

[rain pagoda]

Yeah that's better then her saying nothing

[verbal raft]

i don’t think she does bc none of it was her fault at all

[wraith tangle]

and southport was?

[verbal raft]

no but she always has her reasons for what she talks abt

[wraith tangle]

acknowledge vienna in some way and all the fans that traveled and gathered

to move on and continue the tour and dropping ttpd variants without mentioning vienna would be poor taste

[rain pagoda]

Yeah it would

[open oak]

tf

[dusk osprey]

i mean she's not obligated to say anything

and for all we know maybe local officials like law enforcement etc advised her to not post anything just for her safety and all that stuff

[kindred abyss]

literally

its a LEGAL situation

you cannot compare that to southport where people died. thats just not right.

[dusk osprey]

like i think the fact that the cancellation post was shared to taylornation's story and not hers says a lot

and TN didnt even post it themselves it was them sharing a post made by the stadium

[kindred abyss]

comparing these two events that have happened recently is bang out of order lmfao

[dusk osprey]

my guess is she was probably told to not post anything herself officially either due to her safety

or until she's maybe out of the country and safe/sound

and like you said the southport incident was a completely dif situation

that was a tragedy that did happen vs vienna was a tragedy that thank god did not happen

[wraith tangle]

and neither was taylor's fault

[kindred abyss]

theres a difference between sending your condolences to the parents of CHILDREN who died and talking about a foiled attack

[foggy parcel]

I’m sorry, but no

[kindred abyss]

she doesnt need to speak up about it at this point in time, its an ongoing investigation.

[foggy parcel]

That could piss off the terrorist group even more

[kindred abyss]

literally

[foggy parcel]

We don’t know the full story there has been an attempted terrorist attack theyre not gonna let the whole word in on every detail

We don’t know all that has happened. It is not fair at all for us to jump to conclusions when there are most likely very very valid reasons she hasn’t said anything

[kindred abyss]

im just gobsmacked that they tried to compare it to the recent attack in southport

[wraith tangle]

who

[kindred abyss]

you???

[wraith tangle]

where did I say that?

[kindred abyss]

like? you compared her speaking up about southport to her speaking about vienna

when it's two different situations

1 is a horrific attack and 1 was a foiled attack that didn't happen

[wraith tangle]

i did not say that

[kindred abyss]

yet you decided to bring it up when saying that taylor should speak up about vienna

[wraith tangle]

when did i do this

[kindred abyss]

you literally brought it up wdym when did i do this

[wraith tangle]

when i said neither was her fault?

[rain pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-gif-5123331850448605417

[rain pagoda]

Me rn watching this play out

[kindred abyss]

is it me being really stupid or

did they not bring up southport

like am i being dumb as hell rn😭

[wraith tangle]

i siad neither was taylor's fault

southport or the foiled terrorist plot

[kindred abyss]

you brought up southport when elia said that taylor shouldn't be forced to speak up about vienna because it wasn't her fault, and you said "and southport was?", which comes across as you believe that taylor should speak up about vienna because she spoke up about southport

when they are two completely different cases

[wraith tangle]

and neither was taylor's fault

[kindred abyss]

are you reading what im saying

no one is saying they are taylor's fault man

[wraith tangle]

im not either lol

[kindred abyss]

DUDE

[wraith tangle]

what is going on i cannot

[kindred abyss]

ur not reading

[wraith tangle]

here's hoping she releases a statement before she releases another ttpd variant

[kindred abyss]

basically you shouldn't have brought up southport in this thread because they're different things

[foggy parcel]

https://x.com/concertleaks/status/1822781012168032720?s=46

🏁 (@concertleaks) on X

Hayley Williams shares her love for Vienna on Instagram!

Twitter · Aug 11, 2024, 11:43 PM

This just goes to show they have definitely been advised not to say anything

And this is Hayley’s way of showing support/empathy without mentioning it

[verbal raft]

none of the dancers have posted anything since i don’t think

nor the band i might be wrong though

[uneven cave]

People need to understand that it’s a national matter investigation, they could have been asked not to talk about it until they finish to not stir things up, it’s a huge thing to process as well and it’s okay whether they’re choosing to stay silent or they’re being asked to

[uneven cave]

That could’ve been a prescheduled thing they forgot about with everything going on, it was taken down shortly

[wraith tangle]

Was it taken down or was the time for the release expired? Wasn't the variants only up for an hour or so?

[uneven cave]

They’re never up for that short amount of time, I’m sure they did something so they’d go down in as shortly as possible… most time it’s 24 hr. Which is why I genuinely think it wasn’t done purposely

[verbal raft]

nevermind!!

[stable agate]

Have they been posting. Ive not seen anythiny?

[verbal raft]

paul sidoti made an instagram post 5 mins ago 😭 it’s unrelated tho

[knotty root]

can i have an article to this?

[heady sky]

It was definitely an hour

[tepid juniper]

Definitely advised not to

1. There’s probably a massive investigation

2. You don’t really want to piss off ISIS

If ISIS want to do something, they will, so it’s best she doesn’t talk about it yet at least

[crisp yarrow]

I’ll think she’ll say something after London

[civic stone]

Actually seeing her go up on stage on Thursday and say "Oh hi, welcome to the Eras Tour" and carrying on without acknowledging anything about Vienna will be such a slap in the face. No matter what the reasons are, it would just hurt a lot of people a lot.

[crisp yarrow]

But if she said something before and then something happened to her all her fans would be devastated I think her and her team would rather make a few thousand people upset than a few million

[civic stone]

Yeah...so Vienna tour Swifties don't count...thanks for that. Ouch.

[crisp yarrow]

That’s not what I’m saying

What I mean is if she got killed for making an announcement all her fans would be devastated but if she said it after London when she is back in the us when she’s safe

[heady sky]

I'm going to assume an announcement on Tuesday or Wednesday

She has a post pattern.

[civic stone]

You know that there is a difference between the statements "Fight ISIS, you are the worst and deserve revenge for what you did to my fans" and "My heart goes out to everyone I was not able to make happy with my music over the past 3 days. I am heartbroken just like you. You are in my thoughts". But aside from that, I am not questioning that there is reasons and external forces that might keep her from making a statement. All I've been describing is the effect of the silence and just carrying on with the next concert as nothing happend for the effected fans...which is dissapointment, sadness and feeling unheard and irrelevant.

[heady sky]

She won't break her post pattern I don't think

[crisp yarrow]

Yes I think she will say an apology to Vienna but not about Isis

[pallid dagger]

I think people are reading too far into it

She obviously doesn't like that Vienna was canceled, but we're dealing with terrorists so she can't just speak freely on the topic

[kindred abyss]

1. ongoing investigation and 2. she still has concerts in europe right now and speaking out could put them at risk, unlikely but still a possibility

[civic stone]

As I said: not demanding that she makes a statement just describing the effect this will have on the Vienna Swifties...it will hurt, no matter how good the reasons are

[crisp yarrow]

That’s what I said and then was told that I thought Vienna swifties don’t matter

[kindred abyss]

well whoever said that is stupid

[civic stone]

Wow 😅 @kindred abyss @crisp yarrow I am agreeing with you. There are reasons why Taylor is not saying anything. Not demanding her to say anything. But people can understand reasons on a rational level and still be emotionally disappointed/hurt/sad. And that would just be the natural effect on people if further shows go on as if nothing happened.

[kindred abyss]

i never said people can't be disappointed lol i said whoever said mysterylibrary thinks vienna swifties don't matter is stupid

[desert mica]

Hello

[kindred abyss]

like im not saying ur disagreeing with me im not even talking about what u said

[civic stone]

And the wording was "her team would rather make a few thousand people upset than a few million" which I responded to with "so Vienna tour Swifties don't count"...both our messages might have been not great and I am apologizing if I was a little emotional.

[kindred abyss]

i think everyone needs to just watch the way they are talking to each other bc everytime im in this chat people are insensitive towards each others opinions

[heady sky]

True

[kindred abyss]

obvs there's some cases where people are just straight up stupid LMFAO so feel free to shit on them but sometimes it's just an argument of two people agreeing with each other which is weird

[civic stone]

Agreed, we were both insensitive in our wordings and I will try to be clearer and more sensitive in the future ♥️

[kindred abyss]

im guilty of it too, i get so riled up in here sometimes. but its just a emotional issue.

[civic stone]

I feel like narrator in "Right were you left me"...still sitting in the corner not ready to leave the Vienna sadness behind while most of the fans are excited for London and able to move on - either as they are going or waiting for announcements, live streams, surprise songs and playing mastermind again. Which I am so happy for and I feel like a sulking child. My head knows it all is just bad luck and that life is not fair. And being bitter or jealous won't change anything. And rationally I am so happy for anyone that doesn't have to go through this situation and can just be happy and excited for the tour. But emotionally I can't get over it yet. The outfit planned for months, all the bracelets made, the trip with my 5 swiftie friends, the 400€ of non-refundable hotel and train costs wasted. And all the fun and experiences missed. I feel bad about feeling bad and being jealous. I want to be a better person than that, but I can't do it yet.

And to be open, I got to see her twice in Germany. So not like other poor Swifties that only had tickets for Vienna. It would have been first FOS for me (other concerts were lower ranks seated) so more special and closer, but still...I got lucky enough to experience the concert twice and I am still this upset, makes me feel even more ungrateful and childish.

[coarse wharf]

I have exactly the same thoughts and feelings about this. But at the moment, I feel more sorry for Taylor. She loves seeing us happy at her concerts, and her music is her life. Now, it's impossible for her to do the 'right' thing because everyone expects something different from her. I think most of us here are doing the right thing by talking about our feelings instead of blaming each other or Taylor.

For me, a small glimmer of hope is that we are talking about a concert of Taylor Swift - someone who truly cares about her fans and will do everything in her power to make up for it in the future! ❤️

[kindred abyss]

she will 100% go back at some point, even if it's for ts12

[civic stone]

I agree with you that Taylor is a very caring and empathetic person. But her brand, concerts and album/merch sales are subject to a multi-million dollar organization that needs to keep running. I believe she is a great employer and amazing to work with + paying fair wages and being ethical about contracts and people working for her. But there is just so much she can do/influence. (E.g. looking at the Ticketmaster wars) She had to cancel Lover Fest and there was no priority ticket booking for people that had tickets. Midnights pre-sale codes also not working as well as everyone thought. So my hopes are just quite low that she can do anything about fans that got their Vienna shows cancelled having priority if she comes back :/. But these are just my thought, happy to be wrong.

[coarse wharf]

Maybe you are right, but i will never underestimate Taylor after the double drop of ttpd the anthology 😄

[gloomy steeple]

https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/taylor-swift-konzerte-in-wien-hauptverdaechtiger-nimmt-gestaendnis-offenbar-zurueck-a-547b278d-4219-47cb-9464-4cbf9ed11bae

[coarse wharf]

Sometime I really hate the Austria/German legal system, they are only doing this because there hoping that they will get a lower sentence and sometimes it works.....

[gloomy steeple]

That’s the point. It’s absolutely bullshit that terrorist even have the opportunity to get a defense lawyer.

[stable agate]

London is happening

[crisp yarrow]

Source

[pastel scarab]

The source is the clear pic of the stadium being built..

[crisp yarrow]

But they built it in Vienna

[stable agate]

Source is on the image

[crisp yarrow]

But they built it in Vienna

[pastel scarab]

Yeah I think there's 2 different versions of the stage idk

[stable agate]

They wouldnt start building the stage if it wasnt going ahead. The stage was built before they found out the threat.

[crisp yarrow]

I guess but that doesn’t mean Taylor will not cancel

[valid sparrow]

It’s obvious there’s no cancellation planned. If she does cancel it’s definitely not something she’s been planning right at this second there’s no need to worry

[pastel scarab]

From what it seems, it looks like its all going ahead

[valid sparrow]

It’s definitely happening

[stable agate]

If taylor was going to cancel. She would have said by now no doubt. And taylor will have no doubt been asked before they build the stage

[crisp yarrow]

True

[coarse wharf]

ahh i really wanna buy the really expensive after market tickets for london. Until now i told myself maybe it will be also canceled and i would not stand a second cancellation .. please someone tell me that this is not finical responsible

[civic stone]

It is not financially responsible especially if you already saw her (according to your profile pic). Would hype you up if you haven't seen Eras at all, but with already have been there it will hurt you more in 2-3 months when those 1000-2000€ are missing.

+cost to get there and find something to sleep for the night

I've been there too a few times in my head and looked at the tickets, but it is just not worth it if you already have seen the show.

Hope this helped 😅

[coarse wharf]

you are right, thanks, i didnt even the check the hotel and flights price these are for sure crazy too.. lets all hope for a new tour 2025/26 .. 🤞

[gloomy steeple]

The ppl who booked flights to stand outside are fucked

But it’s understandable really

[stable agate]

Are people actually flying to stand outside?

[gloomy steeple]

yes, some intended to do that for Vienna

[stable agate]

Its going to be enforced this time im 100% sure of it. People will be moved on fast

And with the special police in place they will not take any messing

[gloomy steeple]

More information about the terrorist from the news:

Name: Burak E. (last name censored)
Prison Place: Justizanstalt Wiener Neustadt

Wiener Neustadt is the city where my school is 💀

[gloomy steeple]

I think the terrorist heard that the surroundings of the stadium were so well visited in Munich that they thought that’ll happen in Vienna too and started planning

[stable agate]

Its so scary. Im so glad they prevented it. I couldnt imagine and dont want to imagine the damage

[gloomy steeple]

He stored the almost built bomb in his fridge

At least that’s what the newspaper kronenzeitung stated today

Unfortunately I can only take a picture of the German article if anyone wants the source

[tepid juniper]

Theyre not cancelling now

They wont pay the millions for the staff to prepare the stage, waste fans time getting to the UK to just cancel it

[foggy parcel]

I’m sorry, but it does

The outrage that will ensue if they haven’t cancelled by now is insane

There have been no new threats so they could’ve made this decision days ago

They wouldn’t push a decision to last minute like this

[atomic axle]

She will say something

[royal oasis]

sorry if you read that without thinking it's about vienna it wiener means male genitalia in my mind xd

[hazy valve]

She doesn’t have to

And I don’t think she will either, we’re talking about a very serious thing here

ISIS isn’t just your casual 5 yr old telling you he will find you. They’re smth serious to take into account, and it’s prob best for her own safety she doesn’t say anything

[atomic axle]

True

[civic stone]

Yeah, we have different opinions here. There is a difference between the statements "Fight ISIS, you are the worst and deserve revenge for what you did to my fans" and "My heart goes out to everyone I was not able to make happy with my music over the past 3 days. I am heartbroken just like you. You are in my thoughts". There might be reasons behind the scenes we don't know off, but that one is not logical to me. She is the biggest female pop celebrity of our time representing western culture and bringing 10.000s of people together with her concerts, especially now. She is and always has been a a huge target already. Two vague sentences of condolence to her fans wouldn't make that more severe/increase the danger (that is already there, no matter what). But that's just my opinion.

[hazy valve]

I don’t think you understand the part where there’s the possibility that she was told not to speak up on it at all, no matter what the statement is. It’s very easy for someone to say “well it doesn’t take a min to write 2 sentences of condolences.” Yea well what do yk? I mean we don’t know what’s going on bts, this is still a very serious investigation.

[stable agate]

Londons not being cancelled.

[civic stone]

I understand this I am just saying I am not agreeing with the logic of it. I am 100% on board that this is not her deliberate choice to say something now. Also not expecting anything anymore.

[hazy valve]

Could be the complete other option as well where she’s choosing not to talk about it for very valid and obvious reasons. I mean put yourself in her shoes and imagine you thought you were going to perform happily to thousands of fans inside and outside the stadium and then boom you get hit with the news that something like this was gonna happen if it wasn’t caught on earlier. I mean just thinking about it is just terrifying as a fan imagine her as the main performer who was gonna perform. I’d be traumatized to even speak about it tbh.

[rain pagoda]

Yeah agreed

It makes the most sense for her to say something before the next show

And if there is a major threat of ISIS getting mad and them trying something why not just call in the Army to help secure the place then

[civic stone]

For that she has a team off well paid PR specialists and Tree to take over when she herself can't. I don't say she personally has to do it but Taylornation could (if being personally overwhelmed would be the reason). There is a difference between Taylor the private person for that I feel very sorry for. And then there is Taylor as a brand and company earning billions with loyal fans that buy all the album variants, tickets for shows, stream TV versions instead of originals. I understand that there external factors and political reasons and involment. MI5 or CIA advising to not acknowledge it. But in my personal opinion two sentences of general unspecific condolences would not provoke ISIS. But I agree: it is not her choice.

[hazy valve]

It can be either reason or something completely different, but my point still stands that this is serious matter and for all we know she was told not to talk about it for her own safety or she’s choosing not to talk about it at all which is also respectable. It’s better to be safe then to be sorry and ik that sounds yk, but you can never be too sure with a group like ISIS.

[elfin cargo]

why doees everyone say i dont like taylor swift before

[civic stone]

I agree and understand that it might be the right choice with all information and external forces she might have behind the scenes. Is it still bad communication and dissapoints over 100.000 people that are sad? Totally. The reason doesn't change the result.

[hazy valve]

Idk, imo it’s weird. It’s human decency to know that what could’ve happened is horrifying

[civic stone]

To be honest what might influence my arguments: I am personally quite sure that this was not the first attack. Other national intelligence agencies are just better in taking care of that in silence and getting people out of the way without the public knowing. So in my head this is not a new situation for Taylor over all, it is just the first time it got public.

[hazy valve]

Ppl have the choice to understand the reasoning or not. It’s not complex math here. The reasoning is completely valid with that being said she has no obligation to speak up like some ppl are saying. This is still an ongoing investigation from what I last checked. ISIS isn’t smth to dismiss so casually like if it’s nothing.

[civic stone]

Let's agree to disagree...🫶🏼

[hazy valve]

Whether it’s a new situation or not, there’s one main point to take away from this and I said it before. Reinforce security, do multiple background checks, check bags, check tickets. The amount of times I heard that security hasn’t checked bags at all is insane

[wraith tangle]

Hoping she says something before london show

[heady sky]

Expecting Tuesday or Wednesday

[elfin cargo]

bttws

[hazy valve]

?

[heady sky]

Track 5 on Midnights

[hazy valve]

Yea but how is that relevant to this? I mean I hope she doesn’t play it. The amount of ppl that made that song dedicated to situations like the stabbing and stuff is ridiculous.

[civic stone]

If people can relate to it for this situation, why not? I mean I agree that it would not good to play it, as it is connected to the Brazil incident of one fan actually dying. Would be bad taste imo. But personally I think fans can interpret songs and connect them to memories as they like and it is helpful to them.

[foggy parcel]

People saying ‘everyone make sure to put BTTWS on mastermind!’ was horrid

[hazy valve]

The reason why I say that is bc if you look at the incident before this one (the stabbing that happened) so many and I mean a lot of ppl were like “she’s gonna play bttws guys 😢” it’s gotten such a bad rep since then. It wouldn’t be the smart move at all.

[hazy valve]

It’s actually disgusting.

[civic stone]

Yes agree...she shouldn't play it. If fans relate to the song in private after Vienna and it helps them heal, then I won't judge though...

[hazy valve]

It’s not about that.. it’s about the fact that after almost any severe situation that has to do with the fandom ppl go ahead and say smth stupid like “she’s gonna play bttws guys.” It wouldn’t be smart to play it. It’s become a song with such a bad rep now after that last incident.

[civic stone]

I haven't followed that discussion and am out of the loop, so I am sorry if I am uninformed. Can you explain the background to me? Because I see why people might think that the lyrics would reflect the grief and pain of the death of a child well and thought it was quite the beautiful tribute in Brazil. But I agree that she should not play it as the song is dedicated to that specific incident and should not become a "I play it anytime something dramatic happens" song.

[hazy valve]

The background from the stabbing incident? https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/major-stabbing-incident-united-kingdom-police-southport/story?id=112364424

What I do recall for sure is that like very soon after this happened ppl were saying she was gonna perform bttws and stuff. It’s an absolute disgusting assumption to make, and it’s prob for the best she doesn’t play it for this incident considering the reputation this song has gotten. If smth happens ppl say smth stupid like that.

[civic stone]

I know about the attack but what reputation did that song get? Was there a scandal with the song prior to the stabbing or are you referring to it being connected to the Brazil incident?

[hazy valve]

So in general it wouldn’t be the brightest or smartest idea to play this song considering the reputation it’s gotten and considering she’s gonna be in London.

[hazy valve]

I’m not talking about it being connected to the Brazil incident. I’m talking about the reputation it’s gotten. Before the song was fine and stuff but after that incident of Southport, ppl just started saying stupid shit like “guys she’s gonna play bttws bc of this” “guys put bttws on your mastermind thing” it’s absolutely disgusting.

After any incident ppl just start saying dumb stuff like that, like if it’s funny or smth.

[royal oasis]

i dont think people speculating on what song she is gonna play is bad and especially if the speculation is to honor/remember/give a moment of thought to a horrible incident like southport if anything it is a beautiful thing

[civic stone]

Okay...I can still understand why people might suggest the song, the lyrics represent the loss of a child very well. But it is disgusting if people use it as a game or are like "guys, safe points on mastermind woohoo"...that is sickening.

[hazy valve]

It rlly isn’t.. you’re telling me that after something as horrific and serious as the Southport incident it’s fine to say smth like “she’s gonna play bttws guys 😢”? It rlly isn’t tbh, why are we immediately speculating she’s gonna sing a song after a horrific incident like that? In no way is any of that ok.

[hazy valve]

It’s sickening that after the Southport incident ppl were quick to immediately speculate a surprise song. It’s sickening. And I will never understand someone who justifies such thing.

[royal oasis]

because people want a public figure like taylor swift to do something to honor/remember the victims especially because it happenned at a swift dance recital

same shit right now with vienna cancellation, so many people expect her to speak now(hehe)

[civic stone]

People want acknowledgment for pain and grief. It is the same with funerals - they are for the living to say goodbye and find closure. Rituals are important for coping. So it might be not super tasteful sometimes (but also remember, lot of fans are young teens or even kids) but I understand the wish and thinking of ways/rituals to do so like what song she could play or wishing for a statement.

[hazy valve]

She spoke up about it. But singing a song that many ppl were quick to speculate about is absolutely not the move. By doing that you’re just gonna make it a habit that as soon as any incident happens ppl will quickly speculate she’s gonna sing bttws. Which shouldn’t be a habit. And it’s sick. Instead of talking about the incident and how horrific it was we’re talking about what surprise song she’ll sing? I mean let’s be for real here.

[hazy valve]

The problem is that as soon as smth horrific happens you got ppl saying stuff like “guys free mastermind points!” “She’s gonna sing bttws!” It shouldn’t be a habit AT ALL to say any of that stuff. There is no reason to normalize this at all.

[royal oasis]

Look, We can talk all about how horrific it was but we should also go talk about how to prefent these things which comes down to politics and mental healthcare

but youknow having a government that constantly keeps budgeting down mental healthcare .....
same for my country where i live

[hazy valve]

Absolutely there’s ways to prevent this and it might lead down to a political route of how to prevent it but I don’t think this would be the channel to talk about those political things, which is why there’s alr a politics thread

[wind gorge]

She doesn’t

Leave the woman be

She’ll say something when she’s ready

I refer back to what I said here

[hazy valve]

Completely stand with this

Along with the reasons I mentioned

[civic stone]

I agree with her not saying something because of reasons but still think that it is not great that she has to stay silent and if this would not be a political/safety matter it OF COURSE would be the right thing to say something personally. She is the host to the party, it is polite to apologize to your guests when you are canceling. And this is a bad comparison because she is not just a simple woman. She is a multi-million CEO of a company that hosted an event and left their customers standing in the rain. If this would be an Apple convention or Coca-Cola fair people would rightfully demand a statement as well but as she is an artist and fans think they have a para-social connection, other rules are applied. Sorry...I am getting emotional...this is just my opinion.

[hazy valve]

Is easier said then done

I’ll leave it at that

[civic stone]

And as I said before...doesn't have to come from her personally but Taylor Nation as her company and team...but yeah we had that discussion already, don't want to warm it up. Agree with @hazy valve to leave it there and agree to disagree

[kindred abyss]

it's easy to say "oh but taylor nation can just say something!" as if it isn't named taylor nation and is directly associated with her. in my opinion, i do not think she needs to say anything, even though it would be a nice thing to do.

[wind gorge]

It’s a bit different from just a general cancellation for a reason like logistics, but after a security matter / terror attack avoided, it’s not even in the same bracket. There’s also an ongoing investigation

She’s also hired a private set of security guards who are specialised in counter terrorism. So probably ex special forces, who’ve been there and done it. Recently could have been within the private circuit, or as bodyguards for other high profile people, but they could have easily advised her on the whole matter too

[kindred abyss]

it's just a crazy situation honestly

[civic stone]

Yes I am agreeing. The situation is bad and complex and therefore Taylor can't say anything for external reasons. Is this a satisfying solution, good communication and helpful for the fans? No. Does she have a choice? No as well. She has good reasons to handle this situation badly (as this is the best way she is allowed to handle it) but in her understanding and also the fans' understanding this is not great. She would like to do it nicer, her professionalism and perfectionism and manners have shown that before. The valid reasons still lead to the unsatisfying results and effects it has on people affected.

[wind gorge]

It it really is

[kindred abyss]

it's wild that she needs to take so many safety precautions

[civic stone]

So I am saying: not demanding a statment but hoping. Understanding that she can't make one but still thinking it is shitty for the fans and her as well. ❤️‍🩹 It is just an unfair situation for anyone.

[kindred abyss]

no matter what she does people will shit on her! that's just a reality

[wind gorge]

She might say something in the show this week in London maybe, just touching on it

[kindred abyss]

she'll hint towards it in some way

[wind gorge]

Who knows. Depending if she’s allowed to at that point

[civic stone]

Yes that's true

[kindred abyss]

we know she's a rebel when it comes to stuff like that, like when they told her to not speak up about trump, she was like fuck that.

she'll hint towards it !! 100%

she can't make an official statement but she will acknowledge vienna

[civic stone]

I think there is a difference in her thinking she is risking her own reputation for something good and has to speak up...or she is really endangering other people by being rebellious.

[kindred abyss]

it's at the stage now where i feel like it won't do as much harm, i had a think about it earlier.

she might even just use a song to acknowledge vienna

[wind gorge]

LOML

[kindred abyss]

yes!

[civic stone]

I mean the fact that every city gets a thank you and goodbye post...even if nothing happend and Vienna wouldn't get a post we would speculate and would find it fair to get the same treatment as all the other cities. Being the fanbase//location that ensured the most and is additionally "punished" by missing out on a goodbye post. I think that is also what's going on in a lot of people's head.

even though I know that circumstances are wildly different but I hope you know what I mean...

[kindred abyss]

i get you

i have noticed a ton of non swifties using it as an excuse to shit on her, i feel like that's why people are super defensive about this too

[civic stone]

Yes I can understand that, comments from non-Swifties on media outlets posts were so mean and full of being happy about Swifties being sad...so disgusting

[wraith tangle]

Hoping she says something

[kindred abyss]

can i ask why?

im assuming you werent due to go see her in vienna as you have the NA role, so why are you hoping she does?

is it like "hoping on behalf of vienna swifties" or do you just want her to talk about it

[hazy valve]

just wanted to point this out rq nothing else, just bc they have the North America role doesn’t mean they couldn’t have flown out. a lot of ppl fly out to see her.

[kindred abyss]

yeah but i don't think they did, all they say in this channel is how they think taylor should talk about it

[hazy valve]

yea ik, but just wanted to point that out

[kindred abyss]

would be good to hear something other than "hope she talks about it"

[wraith tangle]

Still hoping

[wind gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[hazy valve]

that’s all you ever say but never give a reason

[heady sky]

Tuesday she may break silence.

[amber crest]

Is this a guess?

[heady sky]

Yes.

[foggy parcel]

I fully get this

I understand being extremely upset and devastated - I would be too

But why do people care for Taylor to say something ? I don’t get it???

[kindred abyss]

neither do i

[hazy valve]

It wouldn’t change anything, she’d still get hate either way tbh. I don’t understand the desperation to say smth either.

[foggy parcel]

Let’s say rn she said something and was like sincerely sorry for the shows being cancelled

Then what? Is suddenly all the money and time you lost made up?

[wind gorge]

Neither

They expect too much and demand too much

[wind gorge]

People will say she found a way to make it about herself again

I’ve seen this film before

[foggy parcel]

in the words of beyonce ‘damned if I do, damned if I don’t’

[wind gorge]

Stuck between a rock and a hard place

[hazy valve]

It’s a lose lose either way.

[unique fractal]

I think most people don’t want the statement because it’s a statement from taylor. I think it’s primarily because they don’t want the concert that they have been waiting for is treated like it didn’t exist from the beginning (The Posters being pulled from the shop, the simple repost of the message from the organizers in a story)

That may amplify the feeling of wasting all that time if it didn’t not even worth mentioning/ it’s like it didn’t exist in the first place.

idk that’s what I heard from other fellas who were also going there

[kindred abyss]

https://x.com/lukathearcher/status/1822723421551403097?s=46&t=OKgFQFwX7rs9iGIFhc_5iw

Luka | The Eras Tour London 🇬🇧 (@lukathearcher) on X

this makes total sense why taylor hasn’t made any public statements about canceling the shows in vienna

Twitter · Aug 11, 2024, 7:55 PM

[hazy valve]

So. Very. Well. Fucking. Said.

I don’t wanna hear no more “she should say smth ugh”

Or I’ll lose it completely ngl

[kindred abyss]

i get why people want her to say something

but these same people never listen to facts or reasoning

most of*

[hazy valve]

That don’t think twice either

[kindred abyss]

i saw a tweet of someone saying they'll lose all respect for taylor if she doesn't say anything before london

how is that helping whatsoever?

[hazy valve]

It’s stupid ppl like that, that should just leave the fan base

So many ppl say it like if it’s easy, but no it’s not easy. This is way more deep then ppl see it to be

And unfortunately those type of ppl will never understand

[kindred abyss]

taylor is a human being, she has emotions. she's likely not came to terms with the fact that her fans were used as part of a target from ISIS. like that's a huge thing to cope with.

[hazy valve]

Exactly

[kindred abyss]

it makes me feel frustrated when i see people say they want her to talk about it but then don't say why they want her to.

[hazy valve]

Especially when it’s ppl who never even went or spent money on going to Vienna

[kindred abyss]

i completely understand it if the cancellation affected you directly, but to want a statement from her when you are nothing to do with what happened is absurd

[hazy valve]

It def affected ppl without a doubt, but we are no one to demand a statement like if she owes it to us

[next coral]

anyone alive here?

[coarse wharf]

No, just wake me up when September ends..

[heady sky]

It's August! Stay aliveeee

[umbral ivy]

i realised today im just not excited to listen to her music anymore 😦 the vienna stuff was really disappointing tbh

[umbral ivy]

i just want an acknowledgement about it lol. literally just a "im sorry i couldnt make it"

[kindred abyss]

were you due to go to vienna?

[umbral ivy]

yeah i was going to be N2

[kindred abyss]

okay then that is completely valid!

[umbral ivy]

was going to be my first concert ever too haha

[kindred abyss]

i'm talking more about those who are just jumping in when it had nothing to do with them, if you get what i mean

[umbral ivy]

i still had a good time with the vienna swifties at least ❤️ but everything else from taylor has been a bit of a letdown, fair enough though

i think the london fan project is absurd hahahah

[kindred abyss]

it's likely that she's been told to not talk about it yet until investigation is over or until europe tour is done.

also that fan project is complete bs💀

[umbral ivy]

i guesss so im just upset we didnt even hear about the cancellation from her. like TN shared the post but she didn't? idk it was all just so weird and kind of sucked

(i am just venting ill be okay hahaha)

[sullen hull]

what’s the fan project?

[wary kraken]

LMAO, yes, let’s print FAULT and YOU as the most prominent words

(also the font choice is an insult)

[barren flare]

@marsh saddle here, why do you want to know the current updates, where you supposed to go?

Okay you said tell your girlfriend I feel bad for her

[next coral]

hii

[ionic yoke]

yea stuff like this is weird asf to me

[marsh saddle]

I read that some Information on the Ticket website say the konzert is Transfer (to a new time) and not cancelled
And that TS want to play the concert in vienna fast as possible 😅
And maybee this is the Reason sehe dont say anything to vienna right now
Maybee here are some more informations

[marsh saddle]

Yes 😦 i am sad about this
We had a chance to go to zurich and munich but we wanted a First look in vienna with a perfect Weekend

[unique fractal]

that’s sadly not true anymore

it was for the first few days but now it says canceled

Green would be rescheduled
Yellow is canceled

While she did say that she wants to come back to Austria as soon as possible, I think it is the next Tour she’s talking about, as the organizer claimed there is no rescheduling

[pallid dagger]

It's too soon to really know what she plans to do

I mean she realistically does have time to plan a other concert in Vienna if she extends the tour slightly

With Vienna being its own leg of the tour

But yeah, she probably can't say anything until she's at least done with London

[marsh saddle]

Ahh thx

[kindred abyss]

it costs so much money to reschedule and people are already getting refunds

[marsh saddle]

Ok i thought maybee she want it that much that it will be between london and Miami
You can check the better security Standards and have coldplay in vienna

[kindred abyss]

its likely law enforcement and the government told her to cancel, not postpone. she will be back one day but not for the eras tour.

[heady sky]

This isn't an ideal move

[umbral ivy]

its so stupid its funny

[heady sky]

PTSD exists

[limber mortar]

lets…not

[topaz kernel]

wtf

[crisp yarrow]

Guys when do think Taylor and her team will be out of lockdown

[hazy valve]

This is rlly how we’re planning on welcoming her back?. This is disgusting.

[wary kraken]

“we”

[wraith tangle]

It wasn't her fault lmao what in the

[tepid juniper]

I doubt theyre in lockdown?

[kindred abyss]

probs the day of the london show?

also that article says the sun has reported they're under lockdown, the sun is a gossip tabloid.

[pastel scarab]

Fr

[crisp yarrow]

Well where does it say that she’s in Nashville then

[heady sky]

I mean it makes sense she'd go to Nashville to escape the madness

[rain pagoda]

Yeah in Merica 🦅 There's no threat

[heady sky]

Nashville is home to her after all

[tepid juniper]

the sun are not reliable at all

she has always had very good security, but she wasnt the target of the attack

[crisp yarrow]

But the fact they’ve gone silent completely makes me think they are

[rain pagoda]

It could of be that there main target was to kill people and there 2nd target was to hurt or kill Taylor if possible

[wraith tangle]

Lawyer calls on Swifties (Vienna Concerts) to register as victims in the criminal proceedings.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/1er9lt0/lawyer_calls_on_swifties_vienna_concerts_to/

[next coral]

Oh

[pallid dagger]

Interesting

[rain pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/interesting-batman-very-interesting-thinking-gif-16421084

[tepid juniper]

I mean

This is her in london last night for dinner with the rest of her crew

[rare drum]

hope she makes a statement

[hazy valve]

And if she doesn’t?

[crisp yarrow]

Is it just me or does her face look scare

[tepid juniper]

no?

[stable agate]

Taylor doesnt need to make a statement if she doesnt want to or isnt ready to.

Again this is a huge thing to happen. If taylor spoke on this it could be a security issue for both taylor, her team and tour. And she might not be able to due to investigations.

Shell speak about it at some point no doubt but itll be when appropriate to

[hazy valve]

Exactly

[open oak]

hmmmmm

[open oak]

and people wanted her to run for president smh

[rare drum]

im just saying that i hope she says something about it at some point otherwise it feels really weird if she just moves on forward as if vienna didnt exist feels like ur being left out and irrelevant

well anyways those 3 days were really fun seeing other swifties wearing, trading their bracelets and singing on the streets despite missing the concert

[gloomy steeple]

How tho

[hazy valve]

She doesn’t have to if she can’t and or is being told not to

[rare drum]

yeah i understand that

[gloomy steeple]

• shows up for dinner publicly
• has not published a statement yet

???

[umbral ivy]

is reddit doewn?

[gloomy steeple]

I am experiencing issues too

[rare drum]

i was going vienna N1 too

[gloomy steeple]

I was at the stadium a day before to pick up merch

[rare drum]

at least u got ur merch

lucky you u didnt get it at concert day

[gloomy steeple]

I also read an article that the main terrorist wants a star lawyer

[rare drum]

even slept early just to wake up with it being cancelled

[gloomy steeple]

Basically the best you can get in Austria and that’s hilarious

[rare drum]

how are they even allowed to get a lwayer 💀

[gloomy steeple]

That ass wanted to kill thousands of people and can get that lawyer

[gloomy steeple]

sure because the law is fucked up

[rare drum]

i dont really watch news so im not that updated

[gloomy steeple]

The more days that pass it more gets a shitshow

Watch a serious crime getting a shitshow

[rare drum]

did u go out those 3 days tho

stephansplatz and corneliusgasse was so crowded

was both there

[gloomy steeple]

I did not, not because I was scared (I am a local I have to anyways), I was devastated

[rare drum]

i live here too dw

[gloomy steeple]

That hit me really hard, the cancellation

[rare drum]

yea went to sleep really excited and all just to wake up like that

[gloomy steeple]

Usually I take shit which happens to me with humor but that thing just broke my heart

[rare drum]

i couldnt even believe it at first

[gloomy steeple]

same

[rare drum]

i was like what if they were just spreading false info and then i hear it like 10 times in the radio

[rare drum]

were u standing or seated?

[gloomy steeple]

What I still don’t get is why she publicly shows up for dinner but not published any statement

[gloomy steeple]

seated, sector C rang 2

[rare drum]

yeaa guess we just have to wait until she says something abt it

[gloomy steeple]

I paid 4 times the original ticket price

[rare drum]

would have been front standing

how much did u pay for

[gloomy steeple]

Idc really if I can see her but for that that it got cancelled it’s uh

[wraith tangle]

How could she eat at a time like this /s

Come on

[gloomy steeple]

500

[rare drum]

???? bro where

[gloomy steeple]

She showed up in London

[rare drum]

mine was like 480 the fee was really high tho like over a 100

i meant like where. u bought ur ticket lul

[gloomy steeple]

Original ticket was 110€ something

[gloomy steeple]

Stubhub

[rare drum]

mine was orginally 177

[gloomy steeple]

They’ll refund it

[rare drum]

same got it a day before the concert wirh my name on it

didnt really care abt the money

[gloomy steeple]

I got it 2 days before

[rare drum]

i just wanted to see her and the eras tour guessed we all missed the chance

[gloomy steeple]

I don’t either as long as it takes place

[rare drum]

yea really sad abt that

theres not gonna be another eras tour

[gloomy steeple]

When I bought it I didn’t care how much it was really it was a dream which just came true I thought

[rare drum]

now that dream is forever gone

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Pretty unlikely that it’ll be extended into next year

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dont think so

im wishing for that tho

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There will be another tour in the future but who knows where when - and she needs a break

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domt even know if shes every gonna come back here anytime soon

yea but the eras tour had to be it…

the stage was even alrdy built

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same, but she can’t do it around Christmas or so. It’s cold asf especially with the outfits

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yea like in engalng she was freezing 😭

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Sorry

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I don’t think so. US has priority and will prob have at the next tour too

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the sky was so pretty those days too 💔

after what happened i think there should be a swiftie festival 😭

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But you figure if it is safety to do so she will make priority to Vienna. Like of limited European dates Vienna would get 1

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Generally really chill atmosphere around the stadium at that day

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Just too bad that original ticket holders can't get priority or anything. Unless....

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was that the day when it got cancelled

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yes around 14:00

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👀

Wonder if the terrorists show up in background of people's photos

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was supposed to be the best night of our lives

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nah at that time the one who was at the stadium got arrested but nobody saw that

ok I saw two police cars at the subway station but that was it

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I booked N1 because usually it’s the most exciting one

N1 was the most expensive but fuck it

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the date didnt really matter for me