Israel-Hamas Conflict

[outer coral]

yea if we were to travel back in time, b4 hamas' formation, then yea

[topaz raptor]

Saudi Arabia was part of the coalition in the Yom-Kippur war though. And in the event of another war breaking out, these events make it much more likely KSA is going to provide support in some form, material or troops, to the ones against Israel

[topaz raptor]

Okay so what's your solution in the much more likely context which is where we do not have time machines

[clever ridge]

From a geopolitcal standpoint the world is much different nlw

[outer coral]

theres no real solution that would solve everything

this conflict is fucked since the beginning

and we are trying to tell u that isreal played a huge part in fucking things up

[clever ridge]

In Lebanon we have a saying "if it doesnt get bigger, it wont get resolved"

So imo this will only get solved after devastating war

[outer coral]

the "solution" that would ensure minimal suffering is if isreal conceded land

[topaz raptor]

The past is the past. What's happened has happened. I am more concerned about the present and the future. I am not going to bother about something that can't be changed

[outer coral]

.

[topaz raptor]

How much land? Where? How is that going to ensure Hamas ceases to exist?

[outer coral]

i said hamas wont just disappear, i said this "solution" would ensure the LEAST suffering

at least hamas wont have to attack isreal anymore cuz the land is theirs again

[clever ridge]

Sadly if it were as easy as dividing land we would've done a Koreas 2.0 alrdy lol

[topaz raptor]

That's just silly

Hamas's goal is the extermination of Jewish people

As long as jews exist, Hamas is going to keep attacking

[clever ridge]

I'm Lebanese so I know how much resent Palestinians have towards Israelis. And how much they want their lands back

[clever ridge]

You'd be surprised how many arabs actually say "the enemies are the zionists,not the jewish"

You can google it. Even when Hezbollah leader talks

[topaz raptor]

I am not talking about Arabs, I am talking about Hamas

[clever ridge]

He never says Jewish enemies

He calls them "العدو الصهيوني"

Which means the zionist enemu

[topaz raptor]

Please 😭 '

[clever ridge]

Just pointing out this misconcieved idea that the goal is to exterminate Jewish people is wrong

[topaz raptor]

This is straight from Hamas's charter

[topaz raptor]

It is LITERALLY the goal

They literally say so in their literature

[clever ridge]

Go look at the reality of the field

[topaz raptor]

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

[clever ridge]

And what their leaders actually say in their speeches

[topaz raptor]

Yes I am certainly looking at the evident proof which is all the dead innocent families last week. Do you think those babies that got killed were Zionists?

[clever ridge]

The innocent dead families in Palestine as well?

[topaz raptor]

Again with the whataboutism

[clever ridge]

I saw a picture 5minutes ago of a kid standing next to his mother's dead body

[topaz raptor]

The conversation was about Hamas's intentions

[clever ridge]

You think he participated to Hamas' intentions?

[topaz raptor]

You said they don't want to kill all Jewish people

[clever ridge]

No I'm playing the victim too

[glossy haven]

"Al-Mandhari urged for the reopening "immediately, with no delay." The U.N. health agency has supplies waiting in Egypt, around 20 kilometers (12 miles) from the Rafah crossing but cannot take them inside, he said."

[clever ridge]

They do not

[glossy haven]

they won't let egypt through with supplies for hospitals btw

[topaz raptor]

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Okay

You are just being delusional now

[clever ridge]

Did you read what I just said ?

[topaz raptor]

Your deflections do not interest me

[clever ridge]

There's that piece of litterature you keep spamming then there's the reality of the field

[topaz raptor]

Hamas's goals are extremely clear

Here is Hamas leaders SPECIFICALLY calling for the extermination of all Jews globally

[glossy haven]

ARE THE KIDS YOURE BOMBING IN GAZA TERRORIST? HELLO

[topaz raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEgBsU6Mi8

But sure

[outer coral]

lmao

[clever ridge]

I saw a video of an Israeli official yesterday saying there's no difference between Palestinians and Hamas. Saying theres no such things as innocent cvilians. Based on this proof I'm gonna assume Israel's goal is to exterminate all of Palestine

[outer coral]

its like i said this to them

but they chose to ignore it

[clever ridge]

So both parties are genocidal. Just one has the means for it. I guess this is settled

[glossy haven]

good thing they used 6000 bombs on a population that is half children after saying everyone in gaza is guilty. (10 year olds are guilty of war crime by living in gaza)

[outer coral]

nah but its justified cuz hamas bad, what else is isreal gonna do, just, sit back and keep the blockade up and keep illegally occupying land???

[glossy haven]

gaza is not an open air prison they are just under control of israel government that makes them go through 600 checkpoints causing up to 7 hour delays to get through (they are also kept in cages)

[outer coral]

u need to move on from "hamas bad" everyone knows hamas bad, no one is saying terrorism is good, look at the broader picture, analyze the issue systematically, who is the one in power here? who pushed thing? who escalated the conflict? what the cause of the hamas attack? whos hand is being forced here, hamas or isreal?

palestine is the one being oppressed here

[glossy haven]

children

3 year olds are going to pay the price of hamas because israel just wants to occupy and destroy gaza

[ivory plaza]

From my school ❤️

[glossy haven]

huh

[median quiver]

read it

pretty straightforward

[ivory plaza]

Disgusting

[median quiver]

???

why are you guys defending a terrorist group

kinda crazy

[ivory plaza]

I don't defend the IDF

[median quiver]

i’m not attacking palestine

free palestine

[ivory plaza]

Israel is

[median quiver]

but free palestine from hamas

[ivory plaza]

Those 600+ children and 2000+ civilians aren't Hamas

The 1.1 million that have to lose their homes and evacuate aren't Hamas

[median quiver]

did the babies who got beheaded and murdered do anythint?

did the women in isreal who got assaulted and killed do anythint?

[ivory plaza]

None were beheaded, Israel admitted they don't have any info on that lol

Biden had to rescind his message

[median quiver]

oh i’m sorry, murdered*

[ivory plaza]

Sad to see

Her bodygaurd going to kill some Palestinian babies now

[median quiver]

hoping taylor speaks out about it

[ivory plaza]

Yeah

Hopefully

Lots of Palestinan flags around here today, love to see it

[median quiver]

that’s not what idf is trying to do

…

are you dumb

[ivory plaza]

That's what they're doing

2000+ dead

Research

[median quiver]

they’re trying to defend themselves from hamas

well you know what

[ivory plaza]

Hamas Babies

[median quiver]

people die in wars

[ivory plaza]

Especailly when you drop bombs on civlians as they're trying to leave

[median quiver]

hamas are terrible people

they should be killed

[ivory plaza]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/14/gaza-civilians-afraid-to-leave-home-after-bombing-of-safe-routes

Netanyhu and his cabinet should be arrested and tried for War Crimes

[median quiver]

hamas are killing seniors and posting videos to their personal social media’s

does that matter to you

at all

[ivory plaza]

Nice blurry photo lol

Love Israeli propaganda vs actual news sources

[median quiver]

and the killing of children?

i won’t send the pictures cause it’s too harsh

but you can’t say that’s fake

and you can’t believe the hamas

i can’t even beleive you are defending a terrorist group

it’s just insanity

part of you is probably just antisemetic

supporting a terrorism group who wants all jews wiped out

[ivory plaza]

Sorry for defending innocent Civilians

I will never side with terrorist IDF

[median quiver]

hamas is not innocent civilians

[ivory plaza]

Palestians are not Hamas

[median quiver]

a defence force is not terrorism

i never said that

[ivory plaza]

When you ethnic cleanse you are

[median quiver]

but didn’t palestinians vote hamas in?

[ivory plaza]

You do when you deny civilians are being targeted

❤️
https://vxtwitter.com/palinfoen/status/1713572713388982461

[median quiver]

hamas is fighting isreal, so isreal has to defend thenselves

they aren’t just going to let hamas kidnap and murder civilians

you’re making it seem like isreal is fighting for the sake of just fighting

[ivory plaza]

They are

[median quiver]

in reality they’re defending themselves

they aren’t , hamas attacked first

[ivory plaza]

Ethnic cleansing will not be supported

[median quiver]

do you even know what happens

[ivory plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/say-no-to-settler-colonialism-stop-settler-colonialism-colonialism-palestine-gif-21545004

[median quiver]

happened

you’re so stupid

[ivory plaza]

Israel is leveling Gaza and killing civilians

[ivory plaza]

Okay, have fun with Palestinians being cleansed

[ivory plaza]

Israel caused this

[median quiver]

oh yeah so isreal kidnapped 150 innocent civilians and brought them to gaza?

?

you do realize hamas started it right?

hamas sent rockets

[ivory plaza]

Israel started this

[median quiver]

and you expect isreal to just let them do that?

tell me now how isreal started it

[ivory plaza]

Keep defending their ethnic cleansing tho by denying Israel has done anything

[median quiver]

tell me how isreal started it

[ivory plaza]

70 years ago

Apartheid

Kicking out palestinians every year

[median quiver]

the jews are the native people

[ivory plaza]

And Palestinians are too

Moreso

They deserve to live peacefully

[outer coral]

just do a simple google search please

[median quiver]

yeah but the jews had control

[outer coral]

u guys are just repeating the same talking points over and over again

[ivory plaza]

Lol they didn't

Before 1947

[outer coral]

iam tired of repeating myself

ive linked a lot of sources above

[ivory plaza]

They never learn

[outer coral]

do ur own research first

educate urself

[median quiver]

i hope you find some sort of help to educate urself

[outer coral]

then come back and discuss

[median quiver]

and mental help

[outer coral]

i...

wow personal attack

[ivory plaza]

You support genocide lol

[median quiver]

to stop being so antisemetic and supporting a terrorist group

[ivory plaza]

We do not care

[outer coral]

very valid argument yes, very compelling

[outer coral]

HAMAS BAD

[median quiver]

you support ||rape||

[outer coral]

IAM NOT SUPPORTING HAMAS

HOLY SHIT

[ivory plaza]

I don't support what the IDF is doing, no

[outer coral]

NUANCE WHERE????

[median quiver]

the IDF is defending isreal and you’re making it seem like they were the ones who sent the rockets in the first place

[outer coral]

JUST CUZ I SAID THE ISREALI GOVT IS SHIT, DOESNT MEAN I AUTOMATICALLY SUPPORT HAMAS

[odd falcon]

You can stand with Palestine and hate Hamas

[outer coral]

USE UR BRAIN

WHERES THE NUANCE???

[ivory plaza]

By raping, murdering, starving and bombing civilians?

[odd falcon]

Hamas literally is killing Palestinians and Israelis alike they're not on either side

[ivory plaza]

Israel is no better than Russia

[median quiver]

that’s what hamas did but okay

[ivory plaza]

🇵🇸 🇺🇦

[outer coral]

defending isreal my ass they are committing warcrimes indiscriminately bombing civilian and ordering all 1.1 mil ppl living in the northern gaza strip to evacuate to the south of the gaza strip in 24 hours WITHOUT food water or electricity

[outer coral]

the isreali govt has illegally occupied land originally belonging to palestine for the past 70 YEARS

[odd falcon]

Israel is definitely going to sieze northern Gaza soon after the evacuation, it's not even a secret

[outer coral]

AND they have set up a blockade for the past FIFTEEN YEARS

[median quiver]

they offered that back in return of the 150 people, but they still won’t

[outer coral]

the isreali govt are dipshits

[median quiver]

read this again

[ivory plaza]

Propaganda? No thank you

[outer coral]

and now ordering for 1.1 mil ppl to evacuate is basically slowly killing them all

u are literally ignoring the facts

yes hamas bad, no fucking shit

terrorists deserve to go to hell

no shit

murder bad

but look at this systematically

[median quiver]

yeah and i’m not saying this is palestines fault

this is hamas against isreal

free palestine

and all that

[outer coral]

then why is isreal committing war crimes killing tones of civilians in bombings

idfs are barbaric

the facts support this

they even used white phosphorus

or whatever its called

[ivory plaza]

People have also been killed in the west bank

[outer coral]

thats a war crime

they are definitely gonna storm and bomb the shit out of northern gaza

or else why would they ask the ppl there to evacuate

defend against hamas, sure

[ivory plaza]

They also bombed people escaping on safe routes

[outer coral]

but are all these things necessary??

[median quiver]

proof where

[outer coral]

in addition to the fucking blockade

so civilians have no access to water food or electricity??

[ivory plaza]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna120252

[outer coral]

its slowly killing all the ppl living in the gaza strip

[ivory plaza]

More facts than the none you will post lol

[median quiver]

they literally told them to evacuate?

[ivory plaza]

All you spout is propaganda

[ivory plaza]

And bombed their safe routes

[outer coral]

IN 24 HOURS???

ARE U SERIOIS

[odd falcon]

Cities in southern Gaza more than doubled in population overnight, that's kinda a way to slowly kill people

[ivory plaza]

Also evacute 1.1 million people in less than a day

[outer coral]

Oh my god

[ivory plaza]

Crazy

[median quiver]

why is every article i send propaganda, but when you send anything it’s always “facts”

[outer coral]

"uh no we told them to evacuate so if u guys die its on u"

"u guys just didnt run fast enough"

[median quiver]

at least they aren’t being kidnapped and brought into isreal to be murdered

[ivory plaza]

You've only sent stupid memes

[outer coral]

"oops sucks to be u, palestinian civilan"

[ivory plaza]

Lol, they've done that too

and rape

[outer coral]

both sides have done that

[median quiver]

they definitely have not because they aren’t terrorists

[ivory plaza]

You have no clue on this issue

[outer coral]

HAMAS HAS DONE IT

[median quiver]

i’m isreali

[outer coral]

the IDF HAS DONE IT TOO

[median quiver]

my dad is isreali

[ivory plaza]

💀 💀 Bro denying facts

[outer coral]

ITS THAT SIMPLE

[median quiver]

he has family there

[ivory plaza]

My friend is Israeli and anti-zionist

[outer coral]

LITERALLY BOTH SIDES HAVE DONE IT STOP IGNORING THE FACTS

PLEASE

[median quiver]

do you have direct connections to palestinians in gaza?

[outer coral]

how is that revelant

[ivory plaza]

There's protests rn in Israel by Jews in support of Palestine, the police are arresting them

[median quiver]

for facts

[outer coral]

we have the fucking internet we can do research ourselves

[ivory plaza]

Unlike this twat

[outer coral]

just cuz u are isreali doesnt mean everything that u say are facts

[ivory plaza]

lol

[outer coral]

u are childish if u think this way

[median quiver]

so ur saying the internet is more reliable then direct sources from isrealis in isreal?

[outer coral]

yes lol

[median quiver]

☠️☠️☠️

you’re braindead

[ivory plaza]

Yes, because these people are seeing these things unlike your lack of facts and propaganda

Safe at home

[outer coral]

journalists from news websites are more credible than propaganda in isreal u moron

use ur fucking brain

i do research thru news websites

[median quiver]

all news websites are biased

[outer coral]

online

[ivory plaza]

Too bad Israel has killed journalists too

[outer coral]

lmdao

ok

[ivory plaza]

And harrased bbc reporters

[median quiver]

???

[ivory plaza]

and assaulted them

They also are removing internet in Gaza, to stop recording stuff

and posting crimes

[outer coral]

most news outlets are pro isreal u fucking moron

💀💀💀

[ivory plaza]

Lol

[outer coral]

i cant do this anymore

[median quiver]

how do you know that

stupid

[outer coral]

cuz i did my research

unlike u

[outer coral]

i actually read thru articles

and watched interviews

watched new segments

what did u do

?

[ivory plaza]

All this dude can do is post memes lol

[outer coral]

u pulled the "iam isreali" card

ok lol

[median quiver]

i read articles

i watched everything

[ivory plaza]

We can do war crimes cause of stuff that happened decades ago

[median quiver]

i’m done with talking to u guys

go educate urself

get a life

get a education

go look back in history

[ivory plaza]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[median quiver]

the jews had the land first

[ivory plaza]

Ironic since you posted no facts

[ivory plaza]

Nope

[median quiver]

i’m wasting my time talking to you

☠️☠️☠️

[outer coral]

jesus christ

[ivory plaza]

Doesn't know ottoman empire moment, or that Mulsims were the majority before 1947

[outer coral]

look at the links ive posted

just google man

ive posted like 5 links above

[ivory plaza]

Don't you know, they don't need to do that cause supposedly they know people

Instead facebook memes matter more

[outer coral]

yea they are isreali and their dad is isreali so what they are saying must be correct

[ivory plaza]

My Israeli and Labanese friend are lying obviously because of their friend

[outer coral]

i am chinese and my family is chinese, there totally isnt a concentration camp in china where muslims are murdered, what i say is 100% correct cuz iam chinese!!

[ivory plaza]

So true

[outer coral]

how does that even fucking make sense

[ivory plaza]

Someone in another server called Jews who are anti-zionist there fake Jews 💀

[outer coral]

oh my fucking god

[ivory plaza]

Crazy

[outer coral]

are we gatekeeping the term "jews" now

"fake jews" gimme a fucking break

iam losing so many braincells

[ivory plaza]

Yes, he's also Jewish too and said this

He also does the thing where you mention Palestinians and they mention Hamas

Can't comprehend 99% of people suffering are not Hamas

[pearl hollow]

Yupp i am sick of clarifying i obviously don’t support hamas when i say free palestine. Im very tired of everyone making this out to be israel vs terrorists as if that’s everybody

Fake jews is pathetic too but none of this stuff really surprises me i guess

[rough elbow]

If both sides continually massacre civilians can we really say one side is better?

https://news.yahoo.com/plainfield-township-landlord-accused-killing-193600312.html

Joseph Czuba has been charged with one count each of first-degree murder, attempted murder, and aggravated battery, and two counts of hate crime.

[odd falcon]

Oh God, this is very close to where I live

😦

[glossy haven]

i do

and if you're paying attention israel is now also attacking West Bank

i know someone born in west bank

[crystal sedge]

Right now? /genq

Like did they just start doing that within the last couple of hours?

[shadow lava]

Oh my gosh. I heard that too. They are evacuating civilians and foreigners.

[glossy haven]

within the last 15 hours

[glossy haven]

yes

[topaz raptor]

Bro literally just take a look at that person’s bio. Anyone who uses Hamas catchphrases is not he trusted to not defend Hamas

Of course he is going to blame Israel for Hamas’s actions

Of course he is going to discard the killing of the babies simply because “they weren’t beheaded, see! Only killed!”

[vagrant folio]

lets all stop with that line idf and hamas have both done simmilar things (third party speaking)

[hoary flare]

and you tell other’s to get education lol

[topaz raptor]

Feel free to disprove it

Go on

[topaz raptor]

This is so hilariously hypocritical I am laughing my ass off over here. Bro's tripping over his own words

[hoary flare]

Oh so now we’re gonna go with that oh I was here 2000 years ago and god gave us the land bullshit?

You’re country’s commits ethnic genocide and war crimes and you sit and defend them. Gross

[topaz raptor]

Who even mentioned god?

You tried to be snarky with the other person asking them to get an education when they made a statement

So you clearly disagree with their statement

So I asked you to prove them wrong

[glossy haven]

hopefully they open the Rafah crossing today

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/6-year-old-boy-killed-anti-muslim-attack-illinois-police-say-rcna120543

[glossy haven]

NVM they said no :). please leave gaza but your exit is actually closed lmfao jk

[clever ridge]

Yall been killing Palestinian kids for decades now and disregarding it

Wont even go as far as 2014. Just the amount of kids that died in the last week is enough

But all that is still not enough for you to show even the tiny bit of criticism towards the IDF and their ways of operating

But you expect Palestinians to be critical of Hamas, who, to them, is the only thing standing between you and their land

I've been reading here on and off since yday and all I've seen is you guys being condescending and showing 0 nuances to your opinions

With one even saying something as disgusting as "Palestinians are just the sad casualties of this war"

[hoary flare]

It was related to another person saying religion wise they have a right to this land.

[hoary flare]

It 2023. Jew had the land first is a statement that should never be included in current day conversation. Who tf cares that Jews lived here 2000 years ago? By that logic ppl can just barge into any country and claim they used to live here thousands of years ago. If you’re really using “we were here first” then you’re stupid and in need of education

[topaz raptor]

Exactly. It doesn't matter what happened in the past. Jews live there now and they have their own country. People who stupidly say "from the river to the sea" and expect jews to just disappear from the region are crazy and genocidal. Israel exists, and so it shall keep on existing. As will Palestine. The two-state solution is the best way forward, but peace can't be achieved until Hamas is eradicated off this planet

[hoary flare]

Alongside hamas the illegal occupation of Palestinian lands by Israel should also be eradicated. THAT is the only way we’ll achieve peace

[topaz raptor]

Which land are you talking about?

Which land are you classifying as Palestinian land and what makes it so?

[hoary flare]

Why don’t you go look up occupied Palestinian territories? The ones israel has been occupying since 1967. Go see that

[topaz raptor]

Are you capable of answering a question without acting snarky?

Just answer it.

[hoary flare]

oh and I’d rather not engage in a conversation with you anymore bc it’s pointless and clearly we’ll never be on the same page

[hoary flare]

look it up. Bye

[topaz raptor]

Hey, if you'd rather stay stuck in an echo chamber and immediately block and run away anytime someone disagrees with you, that's your choice 👍

[hoary flare]

No it’s just the fact that unlike you I value time and have a life. Really going to stop now tho

[topaz raptor]

Great

[clever ridge]

??? Palestinian people/Arabs were living there before u came in and took their land ???

[topaz raptor]

It doesn't make you any of a lesser person btw, to just admit when you are out of your depth on a subject, and taking the time to learn, instead of just acting like a snarky bitch

[clever ridge]

Holy crap it's like idk all Shias go to Russia tomorrow and decide the land belongs to them

but since they're here now, Russians should just accept it and live with it

[clever ridge]

From river to sea tbh you said it yourself

what makes it so? they're the ones there, who were living on the land when u arrived

But we're way too far from that point nowadays

[topaz raptor]

Aaand there it is

[clever ridge]

You can feel free to deflect now

[topaz raptor]

Back to the classic

Deflect what? You are literally advocating for removing all Jewish people from the region

[clever ridge]

But if you took a couple minutes to read what I wrote, you'd understand what I mean with it

Okay I'll baby walk you through it then

[topaz raptor]

And Jews were there before the Arabs came and kicked them out, what is your point?

[clever ridge]

The land is not yours. It was given to you by the British out of guilt for the horrors other Europeans put you through during WW2. But it still isn't yours. So yes, from river to sea, it's Palestinian lands. Now with time, classic colonization, and some wars here and there, the land you were given has expanded way beyond what it was initially supposed to be. To the point where you control the vast majority of the territory.

If we wanna look at it from a Palestinian standpoint, yes, they want their whole territory back. Or at least control of it. Doesn't mean every one of them wants to kick you out (like you did to them), but rather get control of their land back

If we wanna look at it from a neutral standpoint, there's too many years and generations of Israeli occupation in the region to go for the solution I mentionned above. Therefore the only way out now is a 2 state solution, for which no fair, sensible and valid proposal has been made yet

Hope this helps you out of self-victimization and deflection

[topaz raptor]

So yes, from river to sea, it's Palestinian lands
I love how fucking illiterate you are on this issue, that you don't even remember that the British Mandate for Palestine literally stretched beyong the river and that the area beyond the river was literally divided up specifically to ban Jewish people from moving there.

[clever ridge]

I'm gonna remove myself from the conversation if you're not able to keep it civil rather than resort to insults

Watch your mouth otherwise there's no point in having a debate to start with

[topaz raptor]

Feel free to remove yourself from the conversation when you started it by being a condescending little asshole

[clever ridge]

Well then, glad to see someone's too triggered to entertain a normal convo

Enjoy supporting a genocidal state and army

[topaz raptor]

As soon as you come back to reality hun

[clever ridge]

Have a good day, friend

[topaz raptor]

Educate yourself on the history of the land more

[clever ridge]

I'm from right north of you tbh, no worries, I'm educated enough

But it's no point arguing or discussing anything if you can't come about it in a sensical and respectful way

So I'm out

[topaz raptor]

Palestinians never had any iota of control over that entire stretch of land btw. The very first time Palestinians ever had self-governance was after the Oslo accords

But hey, if you wanna deflect history, be my guest lol

[clever ridge]

Did they live there?

Yes

Did you find them there when you moved?

Yes

Did you have control? no. then your claims to the land are as illegitimate as u say theirs is

[topaz raptor]

And?

[clever ridge]

🙂

[topaz raptor]

Except they bought the land from the ones who DID have control

[clever ridge]

bought

[topaz raptor]

Yes, bought

[clever ridge]

you were given the land 😂

[topaz raptor]

...

Man what are they even teaching you in Lebanon's schools

Jewish settlers literally bought private land from the British government

[clever ridge]

I've been to school in France tyvm

[topaz raptor]

There's literally a whole wikipedia page dedicated just to the land purchases

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine

Bro is so illiterate, I can't

[clever ridge]

Like even if I were to partake in the convo more

You aren't able to align 2 sentences

without resorting to insults

[topaz raptor]

You are literally lying about history

[clever ridge]

You're missing the point here. After ww1, the British promised the Jewish people they'd be able to move to Palestine (under Ottoman rule) and establish a nation there. At the same time they promised the arabs to have a united country in the region, if the Ottomans fell. They held neither promise.
1920, the British start controling Palestine, and mass Jewish immigration starts happening. I don't have the numbers but it was in the hundred of thousands. During WW2 this immigration went even faster, because literally only European Jews who were escaping Nazis could enter Palestine. Maybe you didn't know this, but the Jewish even went about to create what would now be terrorist organizations to fight the British back then when the British started to put limits on said immigration

So yes, you bought 5% of the land in the 40s. But prior to that, you were allowed to freely immigrate into a land which wasn't yours and awarded part of it for simply existing.

That's what I'm talking about. Have a good day now, little insulting and genocidal supporting jerk

[topaz raptor]

You're missing the point here. After ww1, the British promised the Jewish people they'd be able to move to Palestine (under Ottoman rule) and establish a nation there. At the same time they promised the arabs to have a united country in the region, if the Ottomans fell. They held neither promise.

They fulfilled literally both promises. The British Mandate of Palestine was split up into two parts separated by the Jordan river. The eastern part became literally a 100% Muslim Emirate of Transjordan and Jews were forbidden from moving there. In the western part, Jews were allowed to settle and buy land. Lie number 1 right here.

During WW2 this immigration went even faster, because literally only European Jews who were escaping Nazis could enter Palestine.

Lie number 2 right here. Close to half the Jews who moved to that region at the end of WW2 were literally middle eastern Jews as you can see right here.

So yes, you bought 5% of the land in the 40s.

Lie number 3 right here. Jews had been buying up land in that region literally since the 1880s. Literally just look up the history of the Aliyah, it's that easy.

In total, 3 lies. Zero truths.

[clever ridge]

Just fyi, you're calling the British National Army Museum liars

Since I double checked for dates on their website

But go ahead mate you seem better informed

[topaz raptor]

Feel free to make actual claims backed up by facts instead of getting pissy about it and calling people names next time, hun

[clever ridge]

They did not. They promised each side the fully gain control of the land. You can look up the Balfour Declaration of 1917 for the promise made to the Jewish people.

On the other hand they also promised arabs in the region the creation of a United Arab Nation in the whole region on which they would have full control. That also was not fulfilled.

What we saw and what you clearly stated is a "compromise" which, as a matter of fact, did not respect the promises made to any of the 2 sides

Ill give u another 3 hours to research this and come up with an answer then we'll discuss the other 2 points

Also "calling people names" is big coming from you. But not surprising anyway

[topaz raptor]

You know what, I'll entertain this delusion. Go on then, describe to me the exact promise that was made to the Arabs

[topaz raptor]

You've really mastered the art of being a condescending prick while also being terminally online, haven't you?

You're clearly living in La La Land where facts don't matter, to the point you are comfortable lying about basic history that can be cross-checked within seconds

[clever ridge]

I'm not about to be your free history teacher. Google the McMahon-Hussein talks, and then you can come back to this chat when you're more educated on the topic than the 3hours you just spent browsing for a come back

Literally public and very known information you're not aware of, yet partaking in a debate this heated and passionate in a condescending and insulting manner

[topaz raptor]

You think just because it takes someone 3 hours to respond to your condescending ass, it means they were thinking about your illiterate thoughts for that whole time? Jesus, go touch some grass you asshole 😭

[clever ridge]

Here we go with more insults

[topaz raptor]

McMahon literally excluded a large portion of the peninsula from that promise, but I bet you are just going to ignore that like you ignore any facts that go against your antisemitic ideas eh

[clever ridge]

@stuck brook I know this is a heated topic but do you mind moderating the chat? There's no point debating here if this guy resorts to insults 1 message out of 2

[topaz raptor]

You literally started with the insults.

Don't dish it out if you can't take it

[clever ridge]

Portions including Syria, not Palestine. Hence why the arabs got mad later on when the Balfour declaration promised the Jews full control of Palestine

I'll say it again but I'm okay pausing the conversation for now if you wish to do more research

Because watching you throw insults out of lack of arguments gets boring

[clever ridge]

Here u go

u called me an asshole out of the blue

Can't even stay factual on events that happened 3 hours ago. I'm not gonna expect u do to it for 105years old events

[topaz raptor]

Behaves in an extremely condescending behaviour like an asshole would
Gets called a condescending little asshole
surprised pikachu.jpg

[clever ridge]

I don't remember insulting you anywhere. You've been condescending yourself with others before I entered. As you said, don't dish it out if you can't take it

[topaz raptor]

You're clearly not here to change your mind, just to rant and lie about shit

Have fun doing that

Your condescending atittude is extremely unfunny

[clever ridge]

I'm very open to a conversation as long as its civil and we both are ready to nuance our opinions on passionate -not factual- topics

[clever ridge]

So are the insults you keep dishing out when you're cornered.

[topaz raptor]

Of course you don't, when you are this delusional to the point you literally lie about facts as simple as Jews moving to Israel, you wouldn't remember when you're being insulting

[clever ridge]

Actually you even called me illiterate before I showed any sign of condescence

[topaz raptor]

Cornered where? Bro you couldn't even recall obvious facts when they were linked to you

[clever ridge]

The chat is right there for you to check. Feel free

[topaz raptor]

Either you are illiterate or manipulative, idk which is worse

Either way, you are not a person who's worth talking to

[clever ridge]

I'm literally being a history teacher to you after you spout out of context stuff you just found out about from google

[topaz raptor]

So have as good of a day as your sorry self possibly can on Discord

[clever ridge]

Have a good day as well. Hope you'll manage to sleep tonight knowing you fully support a genocidal nation and are not able to show criticism out of ego/pride

Peace

[topaz raptor]

I'll sleep extremely peacefully, not sure about you when your nation literally supports Hezbollah to bomb other countries

I suggest you buy headphones

[clever ridge]

I'm half french. It helps sleep at night, balances it out

Ying and Yang one might say

[topaz raptor]

Being French is not something to be proud of, but okay

Whatever helps you feel better lol

[clever ridge]

I wasn't saying it out of pride. I was trolling saying being half on what you consider the right side of this conflict, and half on the other side, helps me sleep

But I guess I wasn't obvious enough for you, my bad

[topaz raptor]

The French are not in the right side of literally any conflict

They literally ban fully democratic protests

[clever ridge]

That I can't disagree with

[topaz raptor]

Pre-emptively

[surreal quest]

Bro ain't no way the official account of the Israeli government just mentioned gigi hadid this is actually insane

[hoary flare]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyYVzvRIN4R/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

mdm.elle

Since it was taken down , here reposting

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the racism is insane

[hoary flare]

wait when? They’re just too pathetic atp😭

[clever ridge]

@stateofisrael on insta

Tbh the IDF and the Israeli govt have always been very theatrical with their social media posts lol

[hoary flare]

omg the ARE pathetic 😭

They need to change whoever’s incharge of their social media bc this is just stupid lol

[clever ridge]

Part 1
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1713927599028576530?t=uMOxCoNvEXujcXIgHVqGkQ&s=19

Part 2 https://twitter.com/UNRWA/status/1713950145618841820?t=JFYSTI1s5cM0T-DCyuvp3w&s=19

IDF basically spreading misinformation now lol. They have not deleted their tweet even after UNRWA clarification

[surreal quest]

Lol check out their official page on insta it's stateofisrael

I think they forgot gigi is Palestinian lmao

[surreal quest]

Yeah they're professional at spreading propaganda at this scale they literally pay influencers and celebrities to post about Israel

In the words of Mark twain a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes

They don't care if they spread lies even if the truth comes out because by then the damage is already done

[south basin]

a 6 year old muslim boy was just killed in chicago as an anti-muslim hate crime🥺 my heart is hurting fr

[south basin]

they know she has influence and both her and her sister are very vocal about Palestine.

[surreal quest]

I know I literally cried when I saw the rise in islamophobia is insane

[south basin]

also i got shadowbanned on instagram???? wth my story views drop from 100+ to barely reaching 30 views whenever i post about palestine, propaganda is the worst fr

[south basin]

i see things like that all the time, never gets easier

[surreal quest]

Yes the same thing happened to me it's getting out of hand how much they're trying to silence the truth

[topaz raptor]

Who’s they

[surreal quest]

The Israeli government and its allies like the US are powerful enough to do things like this

They have all the money and support

[topaz raptor]

This is literally “Them Jews control all the world governments and the media are trying to silence us!!”

You all are fucking crazy lmao

[surreal quest]

Hmm no I'm only saying the truth

[topaz raptor]

Uh huh

[surreal quest]

There are a bunch of posts showing a comparison of when people start posting about what's happening in Palestine and Gaza how their views go down

Please go look at them

Also I have nothing against Jewish people by the way

I have a problem with the Israeli government because its committing genocide and war crimes and enforces apartheid

[clever ridge]

https://x.com/lnstantFoot/status/1713544717529489749?s=20

Instant Foot ⚽️ (@lnstantFoot)

Hakim Ziyech partage ce tweet en story Instagram :

« Les joueurs de l’équipe nationale du Maroc, Aboukhlal, Ziyech, Mazraoui et Sabiri ont tous posté des story en faveur de la Palestine mais vous ne pouvez voir les story que si vous allez sur leur profil, ils essaient de nous…

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There's literal celebrities who complained about their stories in support of Palestine being hidden to the public

stop over victimizing yourself when there's no need to

https://x.com/rosefieldwhore/status/1713259672634044702?s=20 more reports from people having experienced it

someone else complaining about the same thing as swiftie__ https://x.com/HausofHilton/status/1710917247395618861?s=20

Another one again https://x.com/rameensak/status/1713448691338826019?s=20

But I guess we're just crazy

[glossy haven]

@hoary flare he simply refuses to acknowledge a balfour declaration which is the absolute proof of literally saying we will give you land but actually we don't have any.. And yeah sure the bought land but again let's not pretend israeli settlers isn't a thing and currently happening rn

[clever ridge]

I mean they told me to buy earphones as a joke cuz I'm Lebanese. Assuming to counter the sound of their bombings or cuz I said u can hear Israeli MK drones flying up every night in the south lol

Enough to show their character

Blatant lack of empathy and actual ability to take a step back and look at this conflict from a more human standpoint

[glossy haven]

are you near the border? stay safe

[clever ridge]

I'm not in Lebanon atm. I live in France

But I'm Lebanese and have family there. Thanks for the thought anyway

[topaz raptor]

You can always expect the most rabid supporters of eradicating Israeli people from Israel and cheering for the creation of an Islamic state in the region to never actually live in one of those places. Instead they'll find safety in the west while screaming about how all Israelis need to disappear

[clever ridge]

What a low and disgusting reply to give.
1- I do not support "eradicating Israeli people from Israel". If you had been paying attention to what I've been writing for 2 days now rather than focusing on the points that can fit your narrative and make you look like a bigger victim than you are, you would've understood that already. I simply believe the Israeli government went way beyond what was initially planned for the region. The status quo with the settlements, the mass murders and all the suffering Palestinians or occasionally Israelis have to go through is absolutely inhuman and shouldn't last any longer.
To me, " the creation of an Islamic state in the region " as you called it (altho i would consider it to be an Arab state rather than Islamic) is a must for peace. This does not mean I wish for Israelis be eradicated from the region as you like to believe. It just means I believe Palestinians deserve to live a normal life in a normal country with normal rights and without being oppressed or seen as lesser in society.

In order to achieve that you could either establish a 2 state solution (Palestine and Israel), giving both states a proportional access of land and ressources according to their needs and to the % of population they represent in the territory;

Or you spread it equally in half and give both a fair amount of land and access to ressources;

Or you unify the whole territory under a joint government representing both living majorities in the region: "Palestinians" and "Israelis". All could then live under the same regime, same laws, same rights, same duties, as citizens of whatever that country would be named,and without one of the current sides being more powerful than the other. But this last solution is almost utopic in the current context of things

Second of all, as for the actually disgusting part of your message. Both my parents were forced to immigrate out of their land, Lebanon, to escape the war with Israel back then. So yes, we went to find safety in the West like you called it, because your people were massacring ours and occupying OUR land. Hope that was enough insight for you on the situation the people around Israel live in day to day. Thankfully my family was lucky and priviledged enough to have french roots and have somewhere to run to, others were forced to stay until the end of things and live through the whole thing

I probably just wasted my time as you seem to be stuck on your own pre-conceived ideas and are very quick to resort to the same deck of comebacks everytime we dwelve deeper into the topic, but hopefully now that I've made my point clear we can move on to a healthier debate without all the bs insults and condescending attitude

[glossy haven]

That’s what they have put on Gaza????

[surreal quest]

Yes

Keep in mind Gaza is tiny

[glossy haven]

25 miles or something

[surreal quest]

It's only 45 km

Yeah

[glossy haven]

KM

Also Egypt has asked to join BRICS

Ww3 looming ever closer

[clever ridge]

It's rather the opposite

It's 6k fired by Hamas towards Israel

But the Iron Dome intercepts the vast majority of those anyway

[glossy haven]

This is how I read the tweet as well

[clever ridge]

IDF currently striking Southern Lebanon

🙁

[glossy haven]

They’ve been doing that

[clever ridge]

My sister lives in Beirut and has an important exam at the end of the month

Probably gonna book her a flight back tomorrow seeing all the Iran threats and escalation

Cuz first thing Israel does if war breaks out is strike airports lol

Iran Ambassador in Lebanon urging Israel to take Iran's threats seriously https://twitter.com/mojtaba_amaani/status/1714025661508014545?t=NNXJpBAhd28Kw9b0QUPupg&s=19

[glossy haven]

We are literally waiting on one step to enter ww3

[surreal quest]

I don't think it's going to escalate to that level

[vagrant folio]

kinda unrelated but the iron dome is a rlly cool concept

[surreal quest]

Major world powers will likely interfere before it gets to that point. And they already are honestly

[glossy haven]

If Israel does this ground strike like they are planning Egypt will join Russian and China and they will fight them. Iran has also said and Lebanon is already getting bombed. If Israel moves the world will

The US just put 2000 people on 24 hour notice deployment

[surreal quest]

Yeah I saw the South of Lebanon is already being attacked and so is the Egyptian border

[surreal quest]

Basically dehumanising Palestinians

[glossy haven]

47 families have been removed from the Gaza registry

That’s 47 families who’s bloodline has been completely eradicated

[surreal quest]

Using collective punishment which is a war crime and is illegal under international law

[glossy haven]

International law was broke a week ago not sure what we are waiting on

[surreal quest]

That includes grandparents children cousins basically everyone you can think of

[surreal quest]

Lol actually they've been breaking it for several years now but the US funds Israel so no one does anything of course

Using white phosphorus over densely populated areas also a war crime

Propaganda so intense it's seeping into AI

[glossy haven]

I’m so upset to be an American

That’s what my tax dollars are doing 😕

[surreal quest]

The best thing you can do is repost if you can to spread awareness about what's happening in Gaza

[glossy haven]

I’ve told everyone I know I don’t know how to make people care

[tulip plume]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CyedNitp7Su/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

mattxiv

took a week to write with a clear head, but i tried. 🇵🇸

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He said it the best

Pls read, he is a jewish influencer who is saying its not a one side war

Its an innocents vs military war

And neither is okay to die

Hamas is NOT palestine

Israel is NOT its citizens

Children of either sides deserve LIFE

This should be a war of hamas vs israeli government, not using their citizens as a shield

[dim vessel]

This translation has been contested a lot. The translations were done by an organization called MEMRI and many Arabic speakers have said they got it wrong.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/may/15/arabicunderfire

[tulip plume]

are they speaking in arabic?

i speak arabic if u got the clip i can hear it

[hoary flare]

https://www.memri.org/tv/mickey-mouse-character-hamas-tv-teaches-children-about-islamic-rule-world

[glossy haven]

Sudan, Tunisia, Libya Iraq and Afghanistan have been sent to help Palestinians

[obsidian hare]

Saudi, UAE, QATAR, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Kuwait, Bahrain sleeping

Pakistan as a nuclear power country with a million active soldiers and another million reserves is turning a blind eye to the call for help

[glossy haven]

Brb calling my Pakistan friends and asking what’s up

Qatar is pro Israel though

[clever ridge]

Pakistan has India, a big supporter of Israel, right next to them in case they decide to make any moves

Saudi UAE Qatar Bahrain are all Sunni countries and wont risk getting involved this early into the conflict

Indonesia Malaysia Kuwait idk

[granite saffron]

only rejoining this thread to teach the Palestine supporters a bit more on why #freepalestine isn’t a correct thing to say, don’t respond to this message because I’m leaving the thread but please watch this TikTok that explains it and I hope you learn a bit more, that’s all

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSN6PRJUM/

[clever ridge]

#FreePalestine if u ask me

That person is again assuming everyone wants to erase her and her country from the face of the earth

"Where are the 7 million jews gonna go" idk same place the millions of Palestinians have been going since 1967

Cuz it's very fair for them to be displaced, kicked out of their land and homes they built. But God forbid you have to give them back the land you've stolen and built settlements on since 1967. (Ignoring everything prior to that)

Dont type you said you wouldnt answer

Also btw that tiktok is denying the mere existence of Palestine and Palestinians themselves, while asking for their own (Israeli) existence and their country to not be "erased"

[rough elbow]

Read "Israel bombs homes in southern Gaza, kills more than 70 people" on SmartNews: https://l.smartnews.com/p-X8GZw/8eeDJF

This is where civilians were told to evacuate

Anyone want to come and claim that Israel ISN'T on a campaign to commit ethnic genocide in Gaza? It's been clear for ages.

They'll mask it through saying they want to get rid of Hamas (a noble cause) but they're clearly doing far more than that.

And no government is going to call them on this

What Hamas did was horrific, but I don't believe it justifies an ethnic cleansing of Gaza, which is what will happen.

The ideal result is both Hamas and the Israeli government get completely wiped out, and both sides start from scratch with more rational people.

[surreal quest]

It's ironic because they don't even care about hamas. Hamas is just the excuse they are using Egypt warned the Israeli government multiple times, in fact the head Cairo intelligence minister directly called the Prime Minister of Israel Netanyahu to inform him of this. Repeatedly. Yet he willingly chose to ignore it and let the attack happen to have an excuse to decimate Gaza and ethnically cleanse Palestinians.

[rough elbow]

This would not surprise me at all if true

Of course Israel is claiming that's not true

That info came from the GOP chair here in the US. Usually they're not super trustworthy and are VERY pro Israel so I don't see what he would gain by calling Israel's lack of knowledge into question and making them look bad.

[surreal quest]

Netanyahu is a known liar, of course hes going to deny this even so he has no credibility. Even the US stated that the Israeli government had intelligence and chose to ignore it.

[glossy haven]

@clever ridge you did that 😫😍

[rough elbow]

https://news.yahoo.com/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-humanitarian-aid-gaza-strip-124334532.html

The death toll continues to rise more than a week after Hamas launched a bloody war against Israel on Oct. 7.

Anyone from Israel want to defend an airstrike on a hospital killing 500 innocent civilians? Is this still about just defeating Hamas? Is this still "whoops we don't want to kill civilians?"

Do you still genuinely believe that?

And of course Israel tries to claim they don't know if it was there's. WHO ELSE WOULD IT BE

[obsidian hare]

Real footage of Hamas beheading children 😅
https://www.facebook.com/DailyMailVideo/videos/337792202242266/?mibextid=76zNZb

|| To those who cannot visit the link, Hamas militants are holding the children, playing with them, and giving them little pats unlike Israeli soldiers who slaughter Palestinian children and put them in a bar as young as 6 year olds||

[topaz raptor]

Oh Jesus

Brother is literally sharing Hamas propaganda

No wonder you get your news from TikTok and Facebook. You are so fucking easy to trap in obvious propaganda. Even the splash screen says it’s a video made by them

Look at us guys! We killed their entire families and now we are going to record a 5 second video with these kids for propaganda. Then we kidnap them back to Gaza!!

Stupid ass mf 😭

Did not expect to see fucking Hamas apologists in a Taylor Swift server but such is the world now

[clever ridge]

Yikes

We're witnessing a full on genocide happening before our eyes

[topaz raptor]

@obsidian hare is the kind of person who if alive during WW2 would look at all the obvious Nazi propaganda films about treating the people in the concentration camps well and make excuses for them! “Look at these Nazi soldiers organising summer camps for all these people and playing with them and having fun! Stop being mean to them!!”

“Actually it’s just a work program for people!”

[obsidian hare]

where are the beheaded babiesss

[topaz raptor]

Some of you literally lack the brain cells for an ounce of critical thinking

[obsidian hare]

that the apartheid government claimed

And you lack having a respectful conversation without swearing : )

[topaz raptor]

“They only killed the babies, they did not behead them! Merely put a bullet in them and burned them!!”

[clever ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/taylor-swift-reputation-oh-there-she-goes-playing-the-victim-gif-16079392

[topaz raptor]

I am not about to be respectful to someone who’s literally stupid enough to defend Hamas

[clever ridge]

You support the Genocidal IDF and their actions

Dont think so highly of yourself

And learn to talk to people with respect

Without having to use insults one word out of 5

[obsidian hare]

bro literally supports IDF who has killed Palestinian babies in thousands of numbers and the data is publicly available and proven 💀

[obsidian hare]

And you weren't even respectful to others, let alone being respectful to me lmao

[topaz raptor]

Are you actually that slow? Must’ve missed the multiple times when I criticised IDF. But hey, you must think everyone is just like you in supporting genocide organisations

[clever ridge]

Bayn told me to buy earphones yesterday after I complained about Israeli drones in Lebanon

Bayn called Palestinians "sad casualties of this war"

Bayn has 0 notion of empathy and just believes they're right and entitled to the truth

Bayn is disrespectful as well. Dont be like Bayn

[obsidian hare]

Average israeli apartheid and terrorism supporter

Just leave Hamburg and go fight for Israel by killing young children who throw rocks in retaliation to your huge tanks and blockades

[clever ridge]

Ah Bayn blocked me now as well after being put in place several times yesterday

Sad life Bayn lives where opposition and divergence of opinion cannot exist

[obsidian hare]

Rage quit xD

[obsidian hare]

Bro Bayn literally starts swearing when he cannot argue over facts

[clever ridge]

I noticed

[topaz raptor]

Not you sharing Hamas propaganda and then crying when someone calls you out on your bullshit

It’s okay to be stupid, just not okay to think it’s good

I get that it’s fun to live in the safety of your coddled world where your primary concern of the day is who Taylor Swift is dating, but to then go ahead and share Hamas apologism is just plain stupidity

But hey, you are smart right? All the media is lying to you. That is why your primary source of information on this conflict is Daily mail videos on Facebook clipped from Hamas propaganda footage

[clever ridge]

Here we go being more condescendent lol. This person is not able to explain something without resorting to insults or belittleing whorcer theyre talking to

[south basin]

a hospital in Gaza was just shot by an Israeli airstrike, 500 civilians were killed💔

[clever ridge]

Stop swiftie Bayn is ranting about how smart they are and how dumb everyone else is here

Dont remind them their army is comitting Genocide some thousand kilometers away

[winter quartz]

i mean not rlly their army

[clever ridge]

How not? The IDF represents the Israeli people

[winter quartz]

are they israeli I'm not caught up