Israel-Hamas Conflict

[topaz raptor]

No that's what a draft is

[south basin]

so that makes it okay?

[topaz raptor]

A draft is not illegal lmao

[south basin]

"if i dont steal it, someone else is going to steal it"

~ a zionist settler

[topaz raptor]

Every single country on this planet during war-time has instituted drafts. This is quite literally a matter of survival for Jewish people

[ivory plaza]

But it's morally bad to force people to die/fight for a cause they don't want to support, like genocide

[south basin]

please, zionists, not jews, not all jews support israel

[ivory plaza]

And what Israel is doing is quite literally against article 33 of the Geneva convention

[topaz raptor]

Doesn't change that it's literally a matter of survival for every single jewish person in Israel. Do you think every victim of the Hamas attack is a Zionist?

[ivory plaza]

It literally has nothing to do with survival

They'd survive without cleansing Palestinians

[topaz raptor]

The Geneva convention only applies to wars between two nations who are both parties to the Geneva convention. Hamas is not a signatory of the Geneva Convention, they are a non-state actor

[ivory plaza]

Israel quite literally declared war

[topaz raptor]

Because of the Hamas attack

[ivory plaza]

And killing innocent civilians is still a war crime

[ivory plaza]

No, because they want to capture Gaza

They've already killed thousands and are starving them

[south basin]

Not every victim of Hamas is a zionist, which is why id never justify Hamas' actions, they kill civilians. I refuse to support them, i also refuse to support the israeli people who kill civilians. You, however, justify Israel's war crimes.

[topaz raptor]

Lmao so you are just denying the role of the Hamas attack?

[ivory plaza]

Plus they've displaced over 200,000

[ivory plaza]

No if you can read I'm not lol

[topaz raptor]

Can't say I expected more from someone who flaunts genocidal statements in their bio

[topaz raptor]

If Israel wanted to capture Gaza, they wouldn't build a fucking wall around it

[ivory plaza]

If you have to resort to lies, seems I've already won this argument

[topaz raptor]

They literally unilaterally withdrew from Gaza

[south basin]

are you forgetting that the Hamas attack is only a reaction to what's been happening in palestine for 75 years?

[ivory plaza]

Well it's a prison to keep what they call "human animals" inside

[south basin]

their methods are ofc horrendous and considered war crimes tho

[ivory plaza]

Yeah

Two wrongs don't make a right

[topaz raptor]

Ok

[south basin]

so are you saying that if someone wanted to steal your house and take it from you, youd not want them out of your house?

[topaz raptor]

They have their own government. And Israel as a sovereign state is free to build a wall along their border. Does Ukraine building a wall along it's border make Russia an open air prison?

[ivory plaza]

Israel controls everything in the strip, including food, water and power coming in. They actively fund Hamas as well over the Democratic party there.

[south basin]

you are literally disrespecting the suffering of the Ukranian people by comparing them to the occupying Israelis

who is occupied? its sure not israel

[ivory plaza]

Yes, Ukraine is fighting against invasion

[topaz raptor]

Gaza is free to grow it's own food, generate it's own power, buid it's own water lines. They get billions in funding from states like Qatar and Iran. But no, Hamas literally tore out the water pipes to build more rockets to throw at Israel

[topaz raptor]

Hamas literally INVADED Israel

[south basin]

are you aware of the population of Gaza vs the space there? the food would never be enough

[topaz raptor]

They're free to import food

[ivory plaza]

Yeah, grow while your houses are taken overtime, you're constantly bombed and are restricted from leaving the area ever and occasionally shot by IDF soldiers

Israel keeps Palestinians poor, some have never left and will never leave Gaza

[south basin]

attack means invade?

[ivory plaza]

That's such an American take, just grow more food while getting bombed

[south basin]

didnt people invade palestine 75 years ago?

[topaz raptor]

grow while your houses are taken overtime
You are literally waffling. The settlers issue is completely separate and is in the West Bank. Hamas is not in the West Bank

There are no settlements in gaza

[topaz raptor]

Hamas troops crossing into Israel and attacking towns is literally an invasion yes.

[south basin]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyWYvZ4MJo1/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

bbcnews

This is the Gaza Strip - one of the most densely populated places in the world.
 
Tap the link in @BBCNews’s bio to read more about the Israel-Gaza war.
 
#Israel #Gaza #BBCNews

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[ivory plaza]

Lol sure totally, well tbf there's not gonna be anything left of Gaza, Israel is sending in the ground forces today

They gave them 24 hours to evacuate 1.1 million people before they go in to slaughter

[topaz raptor]

Lol sure totally
You disagree? How are you a polsci major and don't even know the difference between West Bank and Gaza? Israel completely withdrew from Gaza 20 years ago. There's literally zero Jewish settlements in Gaza

[ivory plaza]

You know the West Bank is part of Palestine right....

[topaz raptor]

They are governed by different institutions and West Bank is not the issue here because Hamas literally does not exist in the West Bank. The topic here is the Hamas attack and it's consequences in GAZA.

[ivory plaza]

Oh the west bank will suffer for sure, Israel will make their ethnic punishment harsh on them as well for punishment, well more than usual.

[south basin]

whats very hypocritical is people suddenly caring about the events bec Israelis are being killed, meanwhile for the past 75 years the same exact thing has been happening to Palestinians and no one cared.

[topaz raptor]

Nice of you to completely deflect away from the original point lol

[ivory plaza]

You brought it up 😭

But alr

[topaz raptor]

Are those people here in the room with us?

[ivory plaza]

Yep

[ivory plaza]

You are here

So yes

[south basin]

do you care about palestinians being killed?

[topaz raptor]

Because before this attack, I've always been extremely critical of Israel's dealings everytime they've done something

[south basin]

thats why youre defending it now

[ivory plaza]

Evidently not, since they're all Hamas

Ofc

[topaz raptor]

So I don't care about the people who you say don't look at the civilian deaths, because I am not part of them and they are strangers tom e

[topaz raptor]

If you had the intellectual capacity to scroll through my comments, you'd realise I've at every step of the way made very clear distinctions between Hamas and Palestine. but you seem unable to make points without resorting to character attacks, which tbh, I don't expect more from a 19 year old

[topaz raptor]

In my earlier comments, and hell even in conversations with YOU I have mentioned it's horrible how Palestinian civilians, especially the 42% who are under 15 yo are going to suffer

[ivory plaza]

More insults and no actual argument

Alr

[south basin]

aha, the usual age attack"youre young so you dont understand"

[ivory plaza]

Yeah lol

[topaz raptor]

He literally doesn't know the difference between West Bank and Gaza lol

[ivory plaza]

Always the same, next they'll say "you're gay, why are you defending Palestinians!". I get that a lot.

[topaz raptor]

You're the one who brought up settlements in West Bank while in a discussion about Gaza lmao

[south basin]

or "you see palestinian propaganda" when literally every important world force is standing with israel.

[ivory plaza]

You know Gaza also had settlements for years before 2005 also

[odd falcon]

This confuses me too, as a gay person. Being gay is highly disapproved of in Palestine. Like, 90+% of them don't even approve of it

[topaz raptor]

Before 2005, yes. Which I literally mentioned when I said Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza 20 years ago.

[odd falcon]

You can support human rights but it's still worth calling out hypocrisy

[ivory plaza]

Israel is the same as well, I heard this sick story of IDF soldier who was talking to a bi soldier, they didn't know tho. They pointed to a gay couple in Palestine and shot one of them and called them repulsive animals.

[south basin]

bec we're muslims, its forbidden (i do have to metnion this tho, islam never said to kill lgbtq people or attack them).

[topaz raptor]

I have always supported the plight of the civilians in Palestine, especially the kids. But as this channel name indicates, this is a conversation about the Israel-HAMAS conflict.

[ivory plaza]

Yeah every religion is like this lol, there's no high ground here by Christians or Jewish people

[topaz raptor]

So of course I am in favour of Israel going into Gaza and eliminating Hamas

[odd falcon]

It's illegal in Palestine. It's legal in Israel, and same-sex marriage is even recognized if performed from out of the country

[ivory plaza]

Alright, well hopefully you're happy with the ethnic cleansing, because that's what's actually happening

They're indiscriminately attacking anyone

[odd falcon]

I get the religious nuance, but it's the abuse of human rights that's what bugs me

[topaz raptor]

well hopefully you're happy with the ethnic cleansing
Bro is incapable of talking without character attacks

[ivory plaza]

Yeah lol, it's legal in Israel if you leave and don't do it there, so good. Gays in Israel don't have the same rights lol.

[south basin]

im saying that because everytime i mention that lgbtq is forbidden in my religion i get called 'inhumane' because 'i support killing of people' when i never said, and will never say, i support innocent people dying

[odd falcon]

They have pride parades in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv

[ivory plaza]

You're defending it lol, that's what Israel is doing, they're not just attacking Hamas, they're killing civilians

[ivory plaza]

Did you not see the story I told? There's lots of homophobic people there, it's not perfect, especially legally.

[topaz raptor]

That's literally not how it works in Israel. Marriages in Israel, since it's a religious state, can only be performed by orthodox rabbis. Who by their faith are not permitted to wed two people of the same sex. But Israel recognises foreign marriages. So they just go to Cyprus, get married, and come back home to Israel and live as a married couple

[south basin]

if youre just attacking hamas, then absolutely continue doing so, but if youre attacking women and children and innocent civilians, then thats wrong

[odd falcon]

There's homophobes everywhere, some countries more than others. Would you rather be gay in Israel or gay in Palestine?

[ivory plaza]

Probably the same people supporting Israel cleansing Palestine rn

[ivory plaza]

Neither

They're both really bad

I wouldn't feel safe in either

[odd falcon]

I think it's very hard to say they're equally bad, which is what you're implying

[ivory plaza]

However, I don't want them all dead because some are homophobic

[odd falcon]

Of course not

[ivory plaza]

So it's a bad thing to call me out for

[odd falcon]

Nobody wants any innocent people dead, homophobic or not

[ivory plaza]

Look on Twitter or the news lol

It's scary

Even our politicians

[topaz raptor]

Talk about the life of a sheltered American though. Israel quite literally legalised gay marriage and instituted protections against discrimination decades before America. A few homophobic IDF soldiers does not change that

[odd falcon]

I stay off of Twitter, and I only trust a few news sources for reliable information

[ivory plaza]

No they did not, they did some scapegoat changes that don't really do much to address Israels issues

[topaz raptor]

They literally did

You are so blinded by your hatred of Israel you are denying historical records

[ivory plaza]

Same, I've been following this, it's mainstream to a lot of far right, especially the leading part in Israel, to wipe out Palestinians, heck it's literally happening as we speak, make me want to throw up

[ivory plaza]

Yes, I hate the Israeli government? I hate Hamas too. I stand with both innocent people in each country.

Srry

I've denied nothing

[topaz raptor]

stands with innocent people in Israel
proposes a one-state solution that would create an Islamic state that would literally wipe out the Jewish population

[south basin]

'wipe out the jewish population' they could go to any other country but the palestinian's lands?

[ivory plaza]

You say that, but only one side is wiping the other out rn, and they're been doing it for 75 years

I talk to 5 people in the area rn

[topaz raptor]

That's literally genocide

[ivory plaza]

That's what Israel is doing, they want to remove Palestinians from "Israeli land"

[south basin]

and what israel has been doing to palestinians is not?

[topaz raptor]

Show me where I said that. I am not the one proposing Jewish people be forcefully evicted from Israel to other countries

[south basin]

i said it before, but did you hear about the events of Sheikh Jarrah?

[topaz raptor]

You are

[ivory plaza]

You are

[topaz raptor]

Show me then

Show me where I said that

[ivory plaza]

You support the IDF going in rn, and they are slaughtering everyone

[topaz raptor]

they are slaughtering everyone
Where are they slaughtering everyone?

[ivory plaza]

Whether you want to believe it or not, innocent people are dying in Palestine

[topaz raptor]

Where have I ever denied that?

Do you just live in an alternate reality

[ivory plaza]

????

[south basin]

not forcefully evicted, but the land has been occupied. we are only calling for the land to be free, for palestine to actually be considered a country

[ivory plaza]

Have you not been following the news?

They're carpet bombing palestinians

[topaz raptor]

Palestinians are free to agree to a two state solution

[ivory plaza]

Israel doesn't want that lol

[south basin]

why would they agree to a two state solution? theyre occupied

[topaz raptor]

You literally do not know what carpet bombing is. If Israel actually did carpet bombing, the entire city would be flattened. They are doing targeted strikes

[ivory plaza]

?????

It is

It's completely leveled

[topaz raptor]

Israel has LITERALLY agreed to every single two state solution proposed since the creation of the state...are you silly lmao

[south basin]

Would you want someone to come to your house then demand it should be divided into two houses?

[ivory plaza]

Yes and they all benefited Israel

[south basin]

ofc they have, bec they want land thats not theirs

[ivory plaza]

I wouldn't have signed any of them either

[south basin]

the UN partition literally favored Israel in the division of the land (which should have not even happened in the first place

[topaz raptor]

You just changed your tune within 5 seconds. 5 seconds ago you said Israel does not want a two state solution. When I said they did, now you are saying they want a two state solution only because it benefits them. Which one is it?

[ivory plaza]

Both

They don't want a solution

Because Palestinians will never accept their half ass proposals

[south basin]

they dont want a fair solution

[topaz raptor]

They simultaneously want a two state solution and don't want a two state solution?

[ivory plaza]

Yes, they offer things they know Palestine can't accept

It's a joke

[topaz raptor]

Except these have always been UN offers

[ivory plaza]

Yes and UN control of Jerusalem is lunacy lol, they're not accepting that

[south basin]

and the UN stood with Israel, otherwise there would be no partition of the land at all

[topaz raptor]

Palestinians want a single Islamic state and for all Jews in Israel to "disappear". You can see why that's a complete non-starter right?

[south basin]

not disappear, they just want their land back.

[ivory plaza]

No they don't lol, I'm glad you have to resort to lies

Israel is the only one removing people, now it's clear you don't care about the innocent people being slaughtered, so imma just stop talking to someone with no soul

[topaz raptor]

Palestinians in Gaza literally overwhelmingly voted Hamas into power, and their primary goal is the eradication of Jewish people

[south basin]

literally dont bring islam into this, muslim countries worldwide have jews and christians and other religions in them. im friends with christians. PALESTINIANS are not only muslims

[ivory plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/say-no-to-settler-colonialism-stop-settler-colonialism-colonialism-palestine-gif-21545004

[south basin]

wasnt that 17 years ago? not all of them would vote for Hamas again

[topaz raptor]

Now you've resorted to lying

[ivory plaza]

Israel also fund Hamas!! They want them as controlled opposition lol, Netanyhu has said this

[topaz raptor]

@south basin Why are there only 20 Jews remaining in Egypt

[south basin]

becase so many of them have left egypt to go to israel. not because we hate them

there was a large population of jews here last century

[topaz raptor]

They were literally forced to leave but ok

[ivory plaza]

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

[south basin]

forced how?

[ivory plaza]

Benjamin Netanyahu in 2019, "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas."

[topaz raptor]

Huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Egypt

[south basin]

idk how anyone expects egyptians to support israel when they literally occupied Sinai in 1967 and we freed it in 1973

[ivory plaza]

Invading during the Suez Canal crisis as well

[south basin]

and im talking generally not justifying whatever some egyptians have done to jews, bec thats not all of us.

[topaz raptor]

You asked how they were forced to leave, and I showed you that they were literally expelled from Egypt and had their properties confiscated. This was not unique to Egypt, this same trend followed in pretty much every Arab state

[glossy haven]

that is not true at all lmfao the fucking lie

also false using white phosphorus is a war crime. they have violated international law and continue to do so while everyone is turning their backs to it

Hamas isn't right for attacking anyone but after 75 years of being harassed and abused am i surprised ? No. this is retaliation. If israel hadn't spent the past 75 years attacking palestinians we wouldn't be here. Everyone seems to like to believe that hamas is acting out of nowhere and it's a fucked thing to do but they've tried for years

[deep barn]

@rapid sigil here

[rapid sigil]

it kinda feels like the repeat of the Nazis.

[topaz raptor]

Hey remember how John Brown and his men tried to free the slaves and then failed becoming a martyr for the abolitionist cause and helping spark the American Civil War. Remember when he was like "yo lets just rape all those unarmed civilians over there lmao." Wait he didn't? He became a symbol because he came outta the ordeal looking a moral paragon and the south couldn't really discredit him? To the point where one of the slave owners he captured went on record saying he was treated well? Well clearly thats wrong, you can't fight oppression without rape and baby killing.

[obsidian hare]

I just learnt that in 2014, Israelis gathered on a cliff with popcorns to watch the falling of bombs on Gaza as 'entertainment'

Horrible people

[worn berry]

Damn, I'm hearing from my Army buddies that a few of them are getting deployed to Jordan to be ready to jump in this fight.

[topaz raptor]

The only way US will get involved is if the assholes over at Syria or Iran jump in

In which case this is literally going to become WW3

[worn berry]

Yea, I know. I'm really hoping it doesn't come to that or it really will for sure be WW3.

[topaz raptor]

My reservist ass is going to have to go to war

[worn berry]

Yup, my buddy who is in the reserves was telling me that his BC is pushing to be deployed. His unit is a combat support unit, so he will for sure be dropped in the middle of the fight

[ivory plaza]

https://fxtwitter.com/status/1713000861637755127

[finite tide]

The us should stop interfering in other ppls businesses

[tulip plume]

well its funny, ||they started more than half of these||

[glossy haven]

on god someone send them home 😭

[topaz raptor]

The other people in this instance want them there, so chill out.

[finite tide]

All they do is destroy the middle east. Can't chill out when they're most certainly going to kill my ppl

[worn berry]

The US is only going to get involved if Syria and/or Iran steps in. Do you know what kind of relationship Israel and the US have?

[winter quartz]

I don't think US involvement would cause WW3

[obsidian hare]

US involvement will escalate tensions

[obsidian hare]

Israel should be punished for using white phosphorus substance

it is a war crime

chances of consequences for Israel are negligible tho

[outer coral]

twitter is a shithole and misinformation is running rampant

there is literally no space for nuances in online discussions

i am losing so many braincells

israel committing war crimes and the us enabling it YAS QUEEN SLAY

😍

[rapid sigil]

can somone write a brief writing sbout whats happening cause i dont understand

[outer coral]

british media coverage on this is fucking stupid

holy shit iam losing so many braincells

[hoary flare]

It’s better if you research yourself than listen to ppls opinion here. You’ll get a better understanding of the situation that way

[outer coral]

omg geto based

[rapid sigil]

ok ty'

[topaz raptor]

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1713201470445609322

OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical)

There is a distinct possibility that Hamas may have just hit an evacuation route from northern Gaza with a VBIED, framing it as an Israeli air strike.

Of note:

30 FPS video and not incoming projectile seen

Explosion appears to be from a gas cylinder

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Hamas is literally blowing up the evacuation routes and trying to frame it as Israeli strikes

[outer coral]

another twitter blue check mark video

deadass how can u trust these things

[odd falcon]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's true, Hamas has actually attacked people to frame as Israel many times before

They've even sent children over the border knowing that they'd be killed by Israeli forces in the cross fire

[topaz raptor]

You can literally see the video for yourself

Bro is out here trying to deflect blame from literal Hamas

[outer coral]

iam saying this video could be an explosion from 5 years ago in a random location

u cant verify that this video is from THIS conflict

this twitter account ISNT a new site

[topaz raptor]

That location is exactly the same route that is one of the evacuation corridors

You know what

No

[outer coral]

dont just trust any random video posted by a blue check mark on fucking twitter trying to farm engagement

[topaz raptor]

I am not going to debate someone trying to deflect blame from Hamas when they've clearly mentioned how they are not going to let people escape

[outer coral]

when have i ever deflected blame

[outer coral]

u are literally proving me right

use ur brain for once

i literally just said DONT TRUST RANDOM VIDEOS ONLINE

and u are saying that iam deflecting blame???

i didnt even tell u my fucking stance on the issue

[gritty pebble]

as opposed to israel who just wants to warn palestinians to leave (they have no where to go) before absolutely demolishing homes in gaza?

[topaz raptor]

Your first instinct when seeing proof of Hamas blowing up evacuation routes is "Actually this can't be trusted"

[outer coral]

I SAY THIS FOR EVERY VIDEO ON TWITTER

HOLY SHIT

0 NUANCE

ZERO

[south basin]

They knew no one would be able to leave

[gritty pebble]

but thats not necessarily in favour of hamas tbh, could be for anything and any footage regardless but i see your point

[outer coral]

😭

[topaz raptor]

Why do you think morality is a see-saw? Like, just because I criticised Hamas does that mean I am automatically condoning IDF's actions?

[south basin]

especially that number of people in just a day

[gritty pebble]

oh no i didnt assume that, just yeesh so much to consider

[topaz raptor]

Both Hamas and IDF are absolute shit

Hamas needs to answer for it's crimes, as does the IDF

[outer coral]

why are u this smart

[outer coral]

but this stupid

😭

[topaz raptor]

The difference is that OSINTtechnical is a pretty trustable source

[south basin]

also why is instagram shadowbanning people who post on palestine? literally why

[outer coral]

look my rule is to only trust news sites

so idk

i just like to be cautious

[topaz raptor]

The thing is that, there's so many thousands of events occuring simultaneously in this conflict, that it is impossible that every event is going to be covered by a major publication

[hoary flare]

Gosh itamar ben gvir is an asshole

[gritty pebble]

fully agreed

[gritty pebble]

😭 ehhh as long as youre getting a good variety

[hoary flare]

How do you expect idf to do that? They’re run by the government

[outer coral]

tldr is that the israeli govt and the western powers that enable the israeli govt to continually oppress palestine are pieces of shit, and SHOCKER, terrorism and killing civilians BAD, so, hamas BAD and they are fucked up

[outer coral]

this is as simple as i could put it

[gritty pebble]

tbh i dont expect them to do anything, itd just be nice 🤷‍♂️

[glossy haven]

you can not simply describe what's going on here because it's been happening for 75 years

remember when israel said hamas beheaded babies and then the very next day said actually we can't prove that at all and the news reporter had to say sorry guys i was wrong

[outer coral]

but do u condemn hamas????? /s

[ivory plaza]

https://t.co/pshItr0uUS

[outer coral]

ive seen this yes

its fucking hilarious and depressing at the same time

[ivory plaza]

Yeah I love the Onion, always so real

[outer coral]

"uhh iam so sorry ur family died or whatever, but do u CONDEMN HAMAS???????????????????"

[glossy haven]

the only only thing i support is justice for palestine

[glossy haven]

no literally what

[outer coral]

i am making a joke

i am referencing that tv interview

where the family of a palestinian representative in the uk died

[outer coral]

and the reporter deadass did just that

[south basin]

some people are weird fr

[glossy haven]

no cause how you gonna be like sorry your whole family is dead, and there's a genocide going on but like do you support hamas or nah??

[outer coral]

ikr

so inhumane

[odd falcon]

I hate how real this is 💀

[ivory plaza]

https://vxtwitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1713168035115053094?t=2-wW2mBYSE4miqWq6hwvJg&s=19

Omg so based

[granite saffron]

just here to tell everyone that the Israeli city of Sderot has been asked to evacuate

if you think it’s just Gaza

you’re wrong

[obsidian hare]

how can a million people evacuate in just 24 hours

i cant imagine my town of just 45000 evacuating at the same time lol

[hoary flare]

You do realize that their situation and Palestinian ppls situation are different? The ppl of Gaza fear if they leave they won’t be able to come back

And they’re literally being bombed on their way out

[obsidian hare]

some people are really unfortunate in life

[granite saffron]

the same fear for the people of Sderot, its a wasteland and a war zone there

you realize that Israel is also suffering

not just Gaza

[hoary flare]

Obviously israel is suffering. They’ve been invaded. But israelis are still at a much better condition than gaza. You’re talking about just a city. The whole country hasn’t been told get the fuck out or I’ll flatten everything

[cold locust]

Can we pls educate me on this topic

[obsidian hare]

Hamas sent rockets on Israel and Israel is firing back

sometimes it's vice versa

[cold locust]

Ooo ok

[obsidian hare]

it's just a never ending story tbh

[cold locust]

are they at war rn basically

[obsidian hare]

yea

they keep having small firebacks

but this one is huge

[cold locust]

it’s gonna get worst

[obsidian hare]

cities are evacuating

some are getting bombed

civilians are the victims here

[cold locust]

they have like an iron dome righ

[obsidian hare]

espacially children

[obsidian hare]

yea but it cannot dismiss every single rocket

[cold locust]

It doesn’t destroy all but some

[obsidian hare]

gaza doesnt have one so each israeli rocket falls succesfully

[cold locust]

The Gaza Strip? Also

[obsidian hare]

yes

a million people in Gaza are given evacuation orders within 24 hours

as per Alex, some Israeli cities also getting evacuated

as i said, civilians loss

[finite tide]

You have to do your own research. I think you won't get much info from here

[ivory plaza]

https://vxtwitter.com/MSNBC/status/1712911792106602608?t=5BIqObZTmq3A2MmVbxK3ww&s=19

https://vxtwitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1713261985213628610?t=VKII2rza9Q-ba4u-1Uobyg&s=19

[glossy haven]

bro i live in a town of like 6k and idek if we could all get out 😭

[obsidian hare]

majority wouldnt even make it

traffic and crowds everywhere

that too in a dense place

ah

should have been given at least a week

[glossy haven]

however if you want to research some things you can look up is the nakba, and the balfour declaration you can begin to kinda understand from that

[outer coral]

they cant

isreal just said "fuck u" to everyone living there

its literally impossible

[glossy haven]

it's mostly kids ? and you've killed half their parents ???? where are they going ???

[outer coral]

BUT WILL U CONDEMN HAMAS???????????

i know we are basically asking 1.1million ppl to get out of there or they will simply die and all

BUT DO U CONDEMN H-

[glossy haven]

i'm genuinely just confused by that 😭

[outer coral]

and of the us wont do anything

cuz they are "friends" w/ isreal

for their own benifits!!

i love this world!!

yknow after this conflict palestine is gonna be so fucked anyways cuz isreal can do whatever the fuck they want, they can keep oppressing palestine and enforcing far right policies that infringe on the human rights of the palestinians cuz it will all be "justified", they will use the "hamas bad so we can do this to palestinians" excuse for the next 100 years

[glossy haven]

and Lebanon gets forced with any helping at all and they get absolutely fucked

[outer coral]

literally just unending suffering

isreal also blockaded the entirety of the gaza strip so EVEN IF they managed to pull off the exodus, they would be WITHOUT water and electricity

deadass we are bordering on genocide

i cant wait for isreal to say "look at hamas murdering civilians, we are better than them, in fact, we care about civilians SO MUCH that we even gave them a warning and allow them to evacuate 1.1mil ppl in 24 fucking hours!!! how fucking kind of us!!! we love civilians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"oh a shit ton of ppl died? well its not our fault, we gave them a warning!! they shouldve just ran faster!!"

[glossy haven]

and the US just being like 😃 it's fine no war crimes committed

[glossy haven]

?

[rapid sigil]

IM SO SRRY

WRONG

SERVER.

[glossy haven]

😭💀💀

[rough elbow]

SERIOUSLY

[rough elbow]

ALL OF THIS

[rough elbow]

AND THIS

[ivory plaza]

https://vxtwitter.com/pslnational/status/1713262564023439758?t=_edeSDkn3uoWB3KD6J5Utg&s=19

[granite saffron]

if you guys are calling Israel worse than Hamas, you're fucked in the head

you don't understand the situation too well if you're calling us worse than the terrorist group literally made to kill Jews

[rough elbow]

I don't believe Israel is worse than Hamas

At all

But I do believe they should be called out when they commit war crimes like they just did and I'm pretty sure the US/UN won't

[granite saffron]

I also believe this actually

but i also wasn't talking to you 😭

[rough elbow]

Oh 😭

[topaz raptor]

Ignore that Rainy guy, he literally has the classic genocidal phrase 'From the river to the sea' in his bio. The same catchphrase Hamas uses

[granite saffron]

oh help

never noticed that

man really supports terrorists

[topaz raptor]

Rainy when the west blocks aid to Gaza over the invasion: 😠
Rainy when groups call for blocking all aid to Israel over their response: 😍

The hypocrisy is astounding

[granite saffron]

this 😭

[hoary flare]

If you think israel is anything better than you’re in the wrong too. Israeli government is literally trying their best to commit an ethnic genocide.

Bc why else would Netanyahu appoint itamar Ben gvir as minister of National security when he publicly calls for the destruction of Gaza and Palestinians

[granite saffron]

I do think that Israel is better in this situation, our crimes are nowhere in the realm of Hamas's crimes, we aren't the ones beheading babies, we aren't the ones raping women, we aren't the ones paragliding into music festivals about live and peace just to kill innocent people

[hoary flare]

Idf literally confirmed that there wasn’t sufficient proof of beheading babies

And you are only thinking about what israel did present day

What about the times when they relentlessly bombed Gaza?

[granite saffron]

okay, even if they weren't beheading babies, they still barged into people's homes and killed babies

[hoary flare]

IDF KILLED CHILDREN

[granite saffron]

oh and Hamas hasn't??

[hoary flare]

has been killing children for decades now

[hoary flare]

are you really for real rn?

you’re defending idf?

[granite saffron]

so has Hamas honey, stop focusing on just the IDF and start seeing the bigger picture

[hoary flare]

I’m not defending hamas

Omg you are literally blinded by your nationalism

[granite saffron]

yes, I am, I know they've commited crimes but I also know that their crimes are nowhere near as bad as Hamas

[hoary flare]

That you can’t see the war crimes you’re country has been committing for decades

[granite saffron]

are you not reading my messages? i know we've commited crimes...

but I still defend the IDF because they are better than Hamas in every way, Hamas is built only to kill us, they were voted in by the public in Gaza

democratically voted in

[hoary flare]

hamas is wrong yes. But this was a response to idf provocation

You’re an absolute racist if you think idf is better

[granite saffron]

Actually, Hamas had been training for a year (without attacks from us) for the attacks on Saturday morning, it was a surprise to everyonem including the army

[hoary flare]

You along with your dearest idf want the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians

[granite saffron]

we don't, we know that Hamas isn't all of the Palestinians, we want to kill Hamas, not everyone living there

[hoary flare]

Attacks? Shireen abu akleh? Civilians killed? Children shot?

You think those aren’t attacks?

[granite saffron]

Are you only focusing on our attacks? I know we've attacked you absloute motherfucker

[hoary flare]

Well the government most certainly want to kill everyone

And the government was chosen by yiu

[hoary flare]

Wow great way to argue with someone. Ig being civil isn’t taught in israel that’s why you guys are like this

[granite saffron]

You just called me racist, or will you move on from that?

Now please (you won't i know), before focusing on just our attacks, read up on their attacks too, their motto is 'From the river to the sea', they want the Jewish land, we don't want the Palestinian land

their whole reason to exist is to kill every Jew living in Israel

we are in no way worse than terrorists

recently, people are calling for a Gihad to kill every Jew in the world, we haven't called for every Palestinian to be killed have we?

so you and your one sided opinions can fuck off

[hoary flare]

do you think they have been able to successfully act in this? Do you think they’re able to in way do this? All they want is freedom. Tgey don’t say we want Jews dead

Compared to the israeli government

[hoary flare]

If you were any better then you wouldn’t have said the idf is better

[granite saffron]

Yet they don't just want freedom, go on their website and read what they type about, they want us dead

they have videos on social media, proud about killing Jews

[hoary flare]

Palestinians want freedom

[granite saffron]

They do, but Hamas wants us dead

I am not talking about Palestine, I am talking about Hamas and only Hamas

I am calling the IDF better, they haven't done anything I've talked about, I know we've commited crimes, we literally bombed the only escape route in Gaza, I know that's bad but we aren't the ones who came into Israel, killed 260 people from a festival, raided people's homes and killed everyone inside, a whole city has been asked to evacuate

They literally paraglided into the country, Jeeps drove in

there were over 1000 terrorists in the country before we killed them

'I don't defend Hamas', seems like you do considering you only focus on our crimes

[hoary flare]

guess what? I looked it up but couldn’t find their website. But let’s say hamas does want to wipe out israel. But isn’t this the same thing your government wants?

[granite saffron]

We don't want to wipe out Gaza, we want to wipe out Hamas

We know that the Palestinians are innocent, we know they deserve freedom but until Hamas is dead, they won't get that

[hoary flare]

The idf kills civilians. Are you getting this? Innocent ppl. And hamas does that too. How is one better?

[granite saffron]

It's the way we go about it, we don't go into their land and kill them, they came into our country and did that

also don't forget that Hamas uses people's homes in Gaza to hide in

so civilians will get hurt regardless

[hoary flare]

Israel killed 2215 Palestinians

724 children

That seems better?

[granite saffron]

oh ffs do you not see what you're doing? you're fucking focusing on our crimes without giving a shit about the crimes they'e commited within our borders

[hoary flare]

Oh pls. They’re are government officials calling for the complete and utter destruction of Gaza. “Flatten” Gaza is what they’re saying

[granite saffron]

I have no reason to talk to you as you only focus on our crimes

[hoary flare]

all I’m saying is stop saying idf and israel is better

You are one jabbering about oh what about this? What about that?

[granite saffron]

I won't stop, I have no reason to stop, I understand the situation more than you ever will, I know we've commited crimes yet I still have reasons to defend the IDF

now please stop making this worse for yourself

[hoary flare]

If you can’t accept that your country is just as bad then there’s no hope for your racist self

[granite saffron]

If you think I'm racist, you don't know the meaning of racism, Palestinian isn't a race, it's a nationality

[hoary flare]

bffr They’re arabs

[glossy haven]

this isn't a who is worse kind of thing. this is a war crime kinda thing and you can look at countries like Ireland and norway who are literally saying israel is committing war crimes and has been for years

[glossy haven]

it's gonna be a long day

[outer coral]

are u serious....

isreal has been oppressing palestine for the past 70 years

and has committed war crimes

how can u compare isreal to hamas

u cannot say one is worse than the other

[granite saffron]

oh so we don't give them aid? (ignoring the past 9 days), we don't let palestinians work in our country? none of that no...

[outer coral]

honestly systematically looking at this, isreal is the ONLY party who has the power to put a stop to this conflict

THEY are the nuclear power here

not a fucking militant group

[outer coral]

one right done doesnt neutralize the wrong theyve done

this is an extremely childish way of thinking

and u comparing hamas to isreal is also extremely childish

not everything is "one is better/worse than the other"

the world is complicated

[granite saffron]

honestly this whole thread is childish because no one will get to an agreement

[outer coral]

systematically looking at this whole issue, if isreal didnt oppress palestine, hamas wouldnt have existed

and this is a FACT

[outer coral]

💀💀

we arent childish for not agreeing w/ ur SUBJECTIVE VIEW that isreal is better than hamas lol

[granite saffron]

do you not realize i don't exactly want to have this conversation

stop talking to me

[granite saffron]

i'm not talking about just my opinion

[outer coral]

then dont talk in this thread

[granite saffron]

i'm talking about this whole thread

[granite saffron]

then girl stop pinging me

[outer coral]

literally block me then

u are the one whos pinging me rn

what the fuck???

[granite saffron]

1 ping and i've pinged you this whole time

bye sucker <3

[outer coral]

lmfao

what a child

i cant believe we are getting to a day and age where ppl are saying shit like "yea i know isreal has been oppressing palestine for the past 70 years or so, and have been making ppl living in palestine a living hell, AND our oppression has directly caused the formation of organizations like hamas, AND we have committed war crimes AND killed a shit ton of palestinian b4...... BUT... BUT HAMAS IS WORSE"

[glossy haven]

Can we pause

what's happening rn is Israel is attacking Gaza where they are literally thousands of children. There's no electricity no food ans the water is about to run out and they are trapped. Go where ? where are they to go that's their home and all they know.

[outer coral]

nah isreal is attacking the north of gaza BUT they gave a warning b4hand!!! isreal is SO KIND that they gave 1.1 million ppl 24 FUCKING HOURS to evacuate to the SOUTH OF GAZA (a place extremely small) WITHOUT FOOD WATER AND ELECTRICITY.

so isreal is better than hamas!!!

they care about civilians

😍

[clever ridge]

You literally SELL them a set amount of water/year and deny them the right to get water directly from the West Bank lmao

Thank God u still allow them to work for u 🥰🥰 absolute charitable country I might say

If you're not educated on the topic just stay out rather than embarass yourself

[granite saffron]

sell?? Hamas has never paid for our food, water, energy, electricity or oil once

[clever ridge]

You said Palestinians. That's what I replied to.

[granite saffron]

this may need to be used for you

[granite saffron]

Hamas would be the one to pay as their 'government', which they haven't, once

[granite saffron]

ah so did Israel attack Gaza or did Hamas attack Israel on a random Saturday and this is a retaliation?

[clever ridge]

????what are u even saying

You sell them their water which you regulate and decide the amount they'll get per year (less than their needs btw), idk why you try to pass it as you doing charity work towards Palestine

[granite saffron]

Hamas would be the one to pay for the food/water/oil/energy/electricity... they haven't done that once, we haven't sold them anything, this is literal charity

behind the scenes (not actually, the media just hates being wrong), we help Palestinians everyday but the media will never focus on that, there is proof, the IDF has shown they help, they helped Syria a while back too

you can't say we don't help when we do, they haven't paid for the things we give them, not sell them

where is your proof we sell everything to them? there isn't any

[clever ridge]

Oh please, both my parents and most of my family lived under Israeli occupation in Southern Lebanon. I've heard enough stories. The damage you do outweighs the good deeds you think you go about

[clever ridge]

Takes 5mins of research to document yourself, go ahead

[granite saffron]

you think I haven't done research? I've lived in this situation for 6 years, every year Hamas sends rockets over at least once a year

[clever ridge]

Go to Southern Lebanon for a month. We have Israeli drones flying above us daily

[granite saffron]

uh huh, terrorists broke into our border, that would be why

[clever ridge]

Imagine what it's like to have war drones flying above you be a normalized thing

I'm talking every day of the year

Not now

Every single day of the year lmao

You're as much of a terror nation ad you claim Hamas is

[granite saffron]

Imagine what it's like to have terrorists paraglide into your country, ever happened to Lebanon?

[clever ridge]

The fear you've instilled in others will always outweigh whatever you think you're doing to thel

[clever ridge]

No I've just hzd terrorists walk their tanks into my country and colonize it. Cant imagine you relating

🙂

[granite saffron]

you simply can't call Israel terrorists, we just don't compare to people coming into towns only to kill its population

[clever ridge]

Israel instills terrors in the region. Terrorism is what i'll call it

[granite saffron]

Lebanon literally has laws in its country against Israel, sounds like a good reason to have a war with them

[clever ridge]

Yeah at least now you're showing how much of a dishonest person you are

[granite saffron]

Lebanon was one of the countries who didn't want Israel to exist, if that isn't a reason to have a war with them, there never is one

[clever ridge]

Pretty sure you're gonna have laws against the country that walked into your land, tried to colonize you,effectively did, and kept parts of your territory after being kicked out

At the end of the day you guys are only the benevolent victims of the Middle East, my bad

I'll think of how nice you are next time I go to Lebanon and my parents think of booking a flight back cuz it's heated at the border

🥰

[granite saffron]

that would be Hamas and the Lebanese government, there's 2 sides to this situation, Lebanon and Gaza are both worse than Israel in so many ways and that's a fact, Lebanon didn't even want this country to exist, attacked us for 6 days, somehow lost, have sent terrorists into our country, killed innocent people for years, Israel has killed innocent people too, mainly because Hamas hides in homes in Gaza, not letting them leave and getting them killed

if we are terrorists, so be it, we can deal with it, we know we aren't anyway

anyhow @stuck brook i recommend deleting the thread cause it doesn't help the toxicity in the server, people arguing, not debating

[clever ridge]

You literally stepped into a land that's not yours and started colonizing more and more of it????Instilling terror in the region since the very start??? Im talking to someone who literalny can't differenciate Lebanon as a country and government from Hezbollah. Go tell Palestinian families who lost their kids, fathers, mothers,or other relatives about how good you guys are. And let us know what reactions you get

There's no debate to be had when you're literally not open to debate

[tulip reef]

Hezbollah is literally shooting rockets at Israel as we speak. From Lebanon. As we speak. So… no one is innocent here (talking purely about governments and organizations, not civilians. This is another story)

[clever ridge]

I'll give an example. I dont support Hezbollah in any way shape or form. What they do is wrong. And don't want them associated with Lebanon. I don't support killing innocents and war

[granite saffron]

Listen, I know Hezbollah isn't all of Lebanon but your government isn't any better, they fight with our government every day for no reason

[clever ridge]

In the other hand,you're supporting and justifying the IDF's actions. Insisiting they are right in what they do

See the difference ? That's why there's no debate. You are right. You are angels. End of story

I hope Palestinians will be thankful next time you aid them after having bombed the fk out of the tiny bit of land they still own in their own country

[granite saffron]

they never have the chance to be grateful... they never get any of it, it all goes to Hamas

[clever ridge]

I would rephrase

They never have the chance to be grateful - they die before the time comes

🙂

[granite saffron]

because of Hamas- they sit in homes, hide in homes, tell the families there not to leave and get them killed, do you think we want to kill them? NO WE DON'T... we do because of the damage caused by Hamas

if you think we hate Palestinians, we don't, we hate Hamas and want them gone

we don't even want their land

we just want the terorrists on their land gone

[clever ridge]

I agree tbh

I wish the terrorists on Palestinian land would leave. Both sides of the Gaza border

[granite saffron]

thank you... the second we either kill Hamas or they leave, we will leave them alone

help them so much

we attack Hamas, not the families living in Gaza

it's the same for Lebanon, if Hezbollah wasn't there, we wouldn't ever have a reason to attack

our third thing is Iran, the makers of Hamas and Hezbollah, they are the main reason Lebanon is suffering

there's many lies online saying that we hate Palestinians, we really don't, we want them to be free of terror, we need to kill Hamas for that to happen

and sadly, Palestinians get killed in the process because of where Hamas decides to fire rockets from, where they decide to hide

which is why i'm gonna say again, the IDF are not terrorists, they have commited crimes but not by choice

[outer coral]

I WONDER WHY??

[outer coral]

LMFAO DELETE A THREAD FOR DISCUSSION CUZ U DONT AGREE WITH PPL

ULTIMATE CHILDISH BEHAVIOR

[outer coral]

are u sure???

do u have any idea how many palestinian civilains the IDF has killed

they are doing indiscriminate bombings ffs

they literally ordered 1.1million ppl in northern gaza strip to evacuate

what do u think they are gonna do lol

the idf is gonna storm the entire northern gaza strip

[outer coral]

not by choice???

the isreali govt made the choice to oppress palestine for over 70 years

they are the military and nuclear powerhouse here

hamas is a fucking militant group

not by choice???

do u realize how much power isreal holds here

isreal, and all the western powers that enable isreal, are the cause of this

hamas literally wouldnt have existed if not for the oppressive policies of isreal and the illegal occupation by isreal

they have the power to PUT A STOP to the sufferings experienced by civilians ON BOTH SIDES

and they chose to escalate things further and further and further

not by choice my ass

u are deliberately ignoring facts and making ignorant statements at this point

[obsidian hare]

You literally said Israel was not a Jewish land few days ago when I confronted you about it 💀

[topaz raptor]

If you don't want Israeli drones over you, then simply quit sponsoring Hezbollah and letting them have seats in the bloody Parliament

[topaz raptor]

It's not, literally 21% of Israel's population is Arabic

[obsidian hare]

I mean we still saw Israeli attacks and displacing of Palestinians even before the creation of Hamas or Hezbollah

so it is kinda confusing here :/

[clever ridge]

Thanks I was about to come write that when I read the notification

[topaz raptor]

Before Hamas, there were other organisations. The PFLP, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc

[obsidian hare]

Isnt the Muslim Brotherhood some union of countries like Malaysia, Indonesia?

[topaz raptor]

Lol no, it's literally a terror group that originated in Egypt

[clever ridge]

Plot twist:people are gonna want to fight back for their land when it's taken from them

[topaz raptor]

Apparently bombing ciivlian buses and killing and raping women is considered "fighting back"

[clever ridge]

The idea is to fight back. The way it was done isn't the right one

Same way as how Hezbollah or Haraket Amal were born in Lebanon

You wouldn't have a group called " Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine " if there wasn't land to liberate to start with

[outer coral]

yea isreal also indiscriminately bomb palestine

so what the fuck is ur point

literally look at what has happened the past 7 days

[outer coral]

do u guys even read what i said

[outer coral]

.

[outer coral]

.

[clever ridge]

Come on. They aid palestinians. Stop it

[outer coral]

...

ig setting a blockade for 15 years and illegally occupying areas are aiding them

[clever ridge]

Can I aid you too? @outer coral I can stab you 20 times and then put some stitches on and give you some orange juice

[outer coral]

didnt know b4 lmao

[outer coral]

LMFAO

nah just gimme a warning to evacuate 1.1 million ppl in 24 hours WITHOUT water food and electricity

i dont even need any help

[clever ridge]

Oh I can also ALLOW you to work for me. Be grateful

[outer coral]

😍 😎

[clever ridge]

Also it's been way more than 24h at this point, but doesn't make it any less horrible to have that many people evacuate the tiny bit of land they still own after you already stole the remaining 90% of it

[outer coral]

they are gonna storm the area for sure

or bomb it until its a piece of flat land

or else why would they order the ppl to evacuate

that in and of itself is beyond fucked

and even if all 1.1 ppl managed to flee, they would be w/o water and electricity and food

its essentially slowly killing them all

[clever ridge]

colonize the land until you can't handle and control it anymore, retire yourself from it like 2005 after having traumatized a whole generation of palestinians, give back "control" to palestinians in the land, meanwhile you've created enough hatred and resent for a new "Hamas" to create, new Hamas attacks you, repeat

the never ending story. only way out of this is a 2 state solution which gives divides the territory equally between both Israel and Palestine

but at this point I think we'll never get there

[topaz raptor]

You keep saying 24 hours over and over again, yet it's been longer than that and Israel has said they are not going to go in until at least Wedesnday. Stop repeating the same word vomit over and over again smh

[topaz raptor]

"new Hamas" ??? You think Hamas was created in 2005? Oh lord...

[clever ridge]

Reading comprehension

[topaz raptor]

Palestinians have literally rejected every single two state solution proposed

[clever ridge]

I'm saying this situation is a never ending loop. The goal of Israel rn is to exterminate Hamas, but they're only creating enough hatred in Palestinians for a "new Hamas" to be created once they remove themselves from Gaza

[clever ridge]

Because they've all been bullshit and jokes? lmao

Once an actual decent and fair deal is on the table, we'll have made a huge step towards finding peace

[topaz raptor]

As for why there's no water in Gaza, it's kind of hard to get water when your government literally digs out your water pipes to build more rockets with them to hurl at civilians

[clever ridge]

It's not like you guys blocked every water access they have but one (which isn't clean) prior to the events you're talking about

sorry for the "you guys", assumed you're from Israel

[outer coral]

how is that any better

what the fuck?

so u think just cuz they wont storm the area after 24 hours its completely ok now??

gimme a fucking break

it shows how much u disregard the lives of civilians

24 hours isnt even the worst part of that

[clever ridge]

I mean, their government officials are not making any difference between Hamas and Palestinians on record. Can't rlly blame the civilians for thinking the same way

[outer coral]

i am criticizing the isreali govt

[clever ridge]

I know I was just being humorous

[outer coral]

i see, sorry

[topaz raptor]

What the fuck do you want? For Israel to simply sit this out and hope Hamas doesn't do this again? To attack a year later??

You keep ranting but provide precisely zero solutions

[outer coral]

????? TO GIVE PALESTINE THE LAND THEY OCCUPIED??

[outer coral]

THERE IS NO SOLUTION CUZ ISREAL MADE IT THAT WAY

READ WHAT I HAVE SENT

[clever ridge]

No it's their land now and they're aiding Palestinians and allowing them to work for them

!

[outer coral]

??????

[outer coral]

?????

[outer coral]

????????

[outer coral]

????????

deadass

read a wiki article

[topaz raptor]

Israelis are here now and here to stay. Expecting people who were born in Israel to pack up and move out of the region is foolish. Stop being so naive

[outer coral]

"what do u want isreal to do" u say that AS IF isreal is fucking powerless fighting back against an oppressor

[topaz raptor]

Ah yes, it was Israel who escalated things when they stormed into Gaza last week to rape and kill civilians...oh wait

[outer coral]

i didnt say to have them move out???

[granite saffron]

‘Here now’ we’ve been here since 1880 and if we go by religion, 3000 years

[outer coral]

iam just saying, give the land back to palestine

no one has to move

can u read??

[outer coral]

omg...

[outer coral]

READ

[outer coral]

R E A D

[topaz raptor]

Exactly. It boggles my mind how liberals suddenly become anti-immigration and cheer for deportations when it comes to Israel 😭

[outer coral]

i...

god help me

we are straw manning now

[granite saffron]

i am just saying, israeli land is not Palestinian land, we’ve been here since 1880

[topaz raptor]

The land has literally never been under Palestinian control

[granite saffron]

It’s never been theirs

but of course you’ll believe it has because of the lies Hamas spreads

[topaz raptor]

Wanting Israelis to give all the land back to Palestinians is literally the same as wanting all non-native Americans to give all the land back to the natives and move

[granite saffron]

every two-state solution has been denied by them, the time they did agree, they carried on sending rockets

[topaz raptor]

Except in this case it's even worse, because more than half of Isrelis are descendants of middle-eastern Jews

[granite saffron]

in a few of those solutions, we even wanted to give them land

[topaz raptor]

Will middle eastern countries give back all this land they stole from their Jewish citizens? Where are your jews, Egypt?

[granite saffron]

here’s what they denied back in 1947, they had the chance

rejected by Arab leadership, the Jews accepted this

we were fine with this, there were gonna be 2 states but god of course we can’t have it

[topaz raptor]

We all know what they want, a complete removal of all Jewish people from the region and for there to be an Islamic state in it's place

[granite saffron]

Of course, that’s the whole reason for the motto ‘From the river to the sea’

that’s Hamas’s motto

[hoary flare]

Are u high

[granite saffron]

I recommend researching and realizing that we’ve been here since 1880

[topaz raptor]

You're denying the existence of Jewish people in 1880?

[granite saffron]

and this land was never under Palestinian control

Don’t call me high because you don’t know the truth

[outer coral]

Settlements - Most countries deem Jewish settlements built on land Israel occupied in 1967 as illegal.

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/whats-the-israel-palestinian-conflict-about-and-how-did-it-start/articleshow/104413329.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

[hoary flare]

heres comes the guy always twisting words. Leaving this channel bc there’s no point in conversing with oppressors and idf defenders. Byee

[outer coral]

can u guys google

[topaz raptor]

Before Israel, it was under the control of the British. Before the British, it was the Ottomans. Before the Ottomans, it was the Mamluks. Before the Mamluks, it was the crusader states. Before that, it was Byzantine. And before that, Rome

[clever ridge]

You do know you were in the area as a minority?

[outer coral]

they literally said this #1160649280252563536 message

[clever ridge]

Also the "it was never under Palestinian rule" is a bs argument

[outer coral]

literally read what they said

[hoary flare]

You should stop too. There’s no point. They can’t hold a civil argument

[outer coral]

"We all know what they want, a complete removal of all Jewish people from the region and for there to be an Islamic state in it's place"

they are strawmanning THIS HARD

[granite saffron]

i feel like your name is correct, you are garbage, you aren’t civil, always swearing, never able to hold a convo

[outer coral]

can u google?

[topaz raptor]

That's literally true though lmao

[hoary flare]

Atp this is funny af😭

How brainwashed can a person be😭

[granite saffron]

I’m literally a Jewish Israeli and I have googled, my dad was in the army, still works with the police, i know the situation more than you 💀

[clever ridge]

There was no government per say because it was under Brittish rule after the Ottomans, but it was mostly arabs in the region. Just because you were a minority in 1880 doesn't mean the land righfully belongs to you. People were living in there, and out of guilt for the horrors of WW2, your people were displaced into the land known as Palestine

[granite saffron]

If we go by religion, we do have a right to this land

[clever ridge]

It was never under Israeli rule either before 1947. By your own argument, this delegitimizes your right to the land

Since you and Palestine both never ruled the land before the Brittish "divided it"

[hoary flare]

Religion? You don’t even know if that books real

[outer coral]

true how?? facts literally dont care about ur feelings

[clever ridge]

So do Palestinians then

[outer coral]

what u said is how u feel

[clever ridge]

Since you were talking about truth and facts

[granite saffron]

I honestly don’t get how you guys can argue that we are worse than terrorista if people can’t even have a civil conversation with you

[outer coral]

no one gives a shit about how u feel

[outer coral]

NO ONE IS SAYING THAT

NUANCE WHERE????

[clever ridge]

truth and facts are, when the Brittish dipped, the land was a majority of arabs and what we now call Palestinians

[outer coral]

WE ARENT SAYING U ARE WORSE THAN THE TERRORISTS??

[clever ridge]

Therefore, land is theirs

Same as how every other country in the world was created

[outer coral]

WE ARE ANALYZING THIS ISSUE SYSTEMATICALLY

PLEASE

[clever ridge]

You having been a minority in the area in 1880 doesn't change the reality of things

[outer coral]

ur dad doesnt know more than credible sources on the internet

sorry lol

[clever ridge]

I'm being pretty civil to be fair, the average Palestinian would insult your whole family tree for the traumas your people have put them through

But I guess the aid you offer them outweighs that all. So it's all fair

[topaz raptor]

Jesus bro, that is cringe. Stealing lines from someone as weird as Ben Shapiro 😭 Literally look up any poll done on this, 56% of West Bank, and 66% of Gaza reject a two state solution and want a single Islamic state

[clever ridge]

Can you blame them?

[outer coral]

With Israel’s new army gaining ground, an armistice agreement in 1949 saw new de facto borders that gave the fledgling Jewish state considerably more territory than it was awarded under the UN partition plan.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/13/why-israel-palestine-conflict-history

[clever ridge]

"Oh yeah u want me to give a portion of the land I own and leave to make room for the people you guys massacred for the last 5years? Yeah no sorry"

Seems sensible to me

[outer coral]

the quote makes sense cuz what u said is literally how u feel lol

the funniest part is the quote is applicable to the current situation

[topaz raptor]

Then prove me wrong.

[outer coral]

i... alr did?

[topaz raptor]

Where did you prove me wrong about Palestinians not wanting a two state solution

[outer coral]

About 700,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled – about 85% of the Arab population of the territory captured by Israel – and were never allowed to return.

Palestinians called the exodus and eradication of much of their society inside Israel the Nakba, or “catastrophe”, and it remains the traumatic event at the heart of their modern history.

Arabs who remained in Israel as citizens were subject to official discrimination. They were placed under military rule for nearly two decades, which deprived them of many basic civil rights. Much of their land was expropriated and Arab Israeli communities were deliberately kept poor and underfunded.

from the same source

[topaz raptor]

Can you not read

[outer coral]

thats hamas and other organizations

[topaz raptor]

You said I was wrong about Palestinians not wanting a two state solution

[outer coral]

HOLY SHIT

[topaz raptor]

No it's literally a poll done for Palestinian people, has nothing to do with Hamas

Multiple polls actually, all say the same thing. The two state solution is just NOT popular amongst Palestinians

But hey, if you are done screaming holy shit, feel free to prove me wrong on this

[clever ridge]

Why the fuck would arabs agree to a two state solution where you guys refuse to empty the land you colonized ?????

You do realize how much you guys expanded since the 1947 plans?

How much land you took and now call yours ?

How many Palestinian families you butchered and displaced ?

Fuck's sake show some humanity

You're coming here as a victim but you at least have the ability to open discord and type

People on the other side of the border are currently leaving their homes wondering if they'll make it through the night

At least aknowledge how priviledged you are in this conflict and how much of a position of Power you're in compared to Palestinians

And from there we can have a healthy debate about possible solutions to this conflict

[outer coral]

do u even know what the 2 state solution is

The two-state solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict envisions an independent State of Palestine alongside the State of Israel, west of the Jordan River. The boundary between the two states is still subject to dispute and negotiation, with Palestinian and Arab leadership demanding full Israeli withdrawal from territories it occupied in 1967, which is rejected by Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

is reading and googling rly that hard

i dont understand

"with Palestinian and Arab leadership demanding full Israeli withdrawal from territories it occupied in 1967, which is rejected by Israel."

[outer coral]

wow

if only ud just read

[topaz raptor]

with Palestinian and Arab leadership demanding full Israeli withdrawal
Palestinian leadership...hmm I wonder who this mysterious unsourced "Palestinian leadership" is. It's literally Hamas

Btw I love how your entire extent of research includes googling a topic and skimming through the Wikipedia page for random bits of info

Half knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge at all

[outer coral]

are u srsly ignoring the fact that the land originally belonged to palestine

u are literally deliberately ignoring that part

the part i quoted

[outer coral]

thats not the only thing i did, i linked a few websites, thats called citing a source

[topaz raptor]

Bro does not even realise that the "two state solution" doesn't even refer to the original 1947 plan. It instead refers to a vast number of different plans proposed every decade. Israelis and Palestinians both proposed completely different maps in as late as 2008, and peace talks were going, until Hamas started lobbing rockets at Israel and nuked the peace talks

[outer coral]

and if u can prove what i have cited wrong, feel free

[outer coral]

hamas bad, no shit

[topaz raptor]

These are all two state solutions proposed by both sides

The only one nuking these talks is Hamas. Everytime people sit at the table to have talks, Hamas starts to bomb shit and threatens to kill all Jews. If only people had the nuance to realise the ENTIRE REASON Hamas even attacked last week was because Israel and Saudi Arabia were getting extremely close to normalising relations and working together on a trade corridor from India to the EU which would pass through both their countries. And Hamas does not want a normalisation of relations between the Jewish and Muslim worlds

[outer coral]

PLO acceptance of a two-state solution
The first indication that the PLO would be willing to accept a two-state solution, on at least an interim basis, was articulated by Said Hammami in the mid-1970s.[33][34]

Security Council resolutions dating back to June 1976 supporting the two-state solution based on the pre-1967 lines were vetoed by the United States,[35] which supports a two-state solution but argued that the borders must be negotiated directly by the parties. The idea has had overwhelming support in the UN General Assembly since the mid-1970s.[36]

The Palestinian Declaration of Independence of 15 November 1988, which referenced the UN Partition Plan of 1947 and "UN resolutions since 1947" in general, was interpreted as an indirect recognition of the State of Israel, and support for a two-state solution. The Partition Plan was invoked to provide legitimacy to Palestinian statehood. Subsequent clarifications were taken to amount to the first explicit Palestinian recognition of Israel.[37][38]

man

😭

[obsidian hare]

Palestinians did not want to give land to people who had immigrated to Palestine in the last few decades :/. Jews population was less than 25,000 in 1882. Then was started mass immigration of Jews to Palestine till they were some 716,000 in 1947 and now wanted a seperate state

It all started with the mass immigration to that tiny land

and later wanting seperate state

[outer coral]

PLO wants peace

hamas does not

fuck hamas

no shit

iam not supporting a terrorist organization

[obsidian hare]

It's like Syrian refugees migrating to Turkey and when they are in numbers of few millions, they start demanding independance from Turkey, of course the Turkish army and people will oppose it and if needed retaliate. Simple as that

[topaz raptor]

Except when they migrated, it was British land. Britain wanted to go back home, so of course there were talks about how to have both groups live in that region. That's exactly what happens when an empire collapses. Do you think when the Ottoman Empire collapsed, the Greeks and the Turks wanted to live in the same country? No, the Ottoman land was split up between the ethinc groups living within those lands

This situation is more akin to when the Third Reich collapsed, and all the ethinc groups living in their borders wanted their own independent countries. They drew up borders and millions of people were displaced from one region to another

[ivory plaza]

https://vxtwitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1713498386018582881?t=JBbXIINXlLx2ZjF64qFqMg&s=19

There's a protest today on my campus 🙏

[glossy haven]

So did israel attack gaza and hold an open air prison for 16 years with illegal housing or are we ignoring that part cause it doesn't fit your narrative ?

For whatever reason we are not about to discredit 75 years of violence this didn't start Saturday don't fucking act like it did

[ivory plaza]

Also "retaliating". Yeah, we really got all those 600+ innocent children (Hamas soldiers). Blew up those hospitals and 100,000+ people's housing (Hamas headquarters).

Also it was very necessary to blow up 70 people on a corridor out of the country where you told them to leave through!!

Anyway...

[glossy haven]

you need to stop talking about hamas, something created because palestines got tired of being shit on in gaza and start talking about the illegal hold on children in gaza

[ivory plaza]

Exactly

[glossy haven]

they couldn't make it anymore simple then this and yes it is this simple

[surreal quest]

According to the Israeli government it has used more bombs on Gaza in one week than the U.S has used on Afghanistan in a whole year
Is you think this is normal or justified in any way I have no words other than you probably don't see Palestinians as humans

[ivory plaza]

There's also this one that was made for the US that also fits now.

[outer coral]

nah according to them the land all originally belonged to isreal

and hamas are the ones who refused to accept the 2 state solution

[outer coral]

even tho i pasted an entire paragrah here

they ofc ignored it

cuz it doesnt fit their narrative

[ivory plaza]

Well you see, Hamas wasn't there at the Geneva Convention in 1949, so technically collective punishment isn't a war crime. Should've shown up.

/jk

[outer coral]

the thing is no one is siding w/ hamas

hamas is a terrorist organization

[ivory plaza]

Ik

[outer coral]

fuck hamas

its 2023

terrorism bad

holy shit

its like saying murder bad

like no shit

the PLO has been working towards peace

[ivory plaza]

I was making a joke about this

[outer coral]

yea i know

i know u are joking dw

iam just saying to those ppl

[ivory plaza]

Yeah, I remember when they did a protest at the border fence a few years ago and the IDF shot at them with live rounds

[outer coral]

like illegally occupying lands for 70 years???

the blockade for 15 years???

i have repeated this 10 times by now

but they just chose to ignore these pieces of info

[outer coral]

its fucked

its so fucked

and the lack of empathy on display here

isreal planted this seed of human suffering

they are the nuclear power here

they have all the power to put a stop to this

palestine is NO MATCH for isreal

yet isreal kept oppressing palestine

[glossy haven]

ashamed to be american ain't nothing proud here

[outer coral]

wtf is palestine supposed to do, just concede all their lands??

[topaz raptor]

Literally peddling shameless propaganda. You think Hamas fired one tiny rocket into Israel? Yeah bro, great job, just keep ignoring the hundreds of suicide bombings, the thousands of rockets launched at Israel every fucking year, the terrorists going into people's homes and killing whole families

[ivory plaza]

Yeah, didn't need this event to recognize that lol

Just adds to it

[topaz raptor]

This is such shameless bullshit lmao

[outer coral]

HAMAS IS BAD

HAMAS IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ENTIRE PALENTINE

ARE U OK???

[ivory plaza]

What did they say, I have that person blocked

[topaz raptor]

Who said anything otherwise

When did I ever group Palestine and Hamas together

[glossy haven]

google Israeli settlers it covers the war crime committed for 75 years

[outer coral]

u are using hamas as a justification for the IDF attacking the north part of the gaza strip

lol

[topaz raptor]

You want Israel to just sit back and let Hamas continue to exist?

[surreal quest]

It's not just an attack its a genocide

[outer coral]

the idf is bombing indiscriminately but ok

seems like the only solution to hamas is to... bomb civilians?

i see

[glossy haven]

idc if they have justification or not. it's the telling 2 million people after cutting off all of their resources to leave their home within 24 or face death. if you think this is right you need to go pray to god or something

and then you BOMB THEM WHEN THEY LEAVE

[outer coral]

they are listing the atrocities hamas has committed

[topaz raptor]

Israel is not targeting civilians. Hamas is literally embedding themselves entirely inside civilian zones. The civilians are a horrific casualty of this war. If only Hamas had the decency to protect the civilians they claim to represent

[outer coral]

also isreal is a nuclear power, hamas is a tiny millitant group that sneaked thru the border using GLIDERS and FUCKING BOATS

they dont need to keep bombing the fucking gaza strip

what the fuck can hamas do??

[glossy haven]

baby i need to you to move past hamas and pay attention to the action of the israel government.

[outer coral]

against a nuclear super power??

[topaz raptor]

Rainy stop being an attention-seeker lmao. Simultaneously blocking someone, then mentioning it in chat like "Hey look guys, I blocked this person to not see their messages, so can soemone please tell me what they said"

[outer coral]

isreal is not targeting civilians????

WHAT???

HAVE U SEEN THE VIDEOS ISREAL POSTED ON TWITTER??

THEY ARE BOMBING ENTIRE FUCKING BUILDINGS

[topaz raptor]

Do you have a comeback that isn't just copy-pasting my comment with three question marks behind it

[outer coral]

read

[glossy haven]

THEY ARE LITERALLY ATTACKING THE WEST BANK TOO? WAKE UP ???

[outer coral]

the isreali govt is posting those videos

[topaz raptor]

This is like saying the Allies were evil during WW2 for bombing Germans

[outer coral]

deadass

[outer coral]

...

NAZI GERMANY OCCUPIED THE ENTIRETY OF GERMANY

[topaz raptor]

...Jesus

Okay

[outer coral]

HAMAS IS A T I N Y militant GROUP

WHAT IS THIS COMPARISON??

[topaz raptor]

Hamas occupies the whole of Gaza

[glossy haven]

i'm genuinely curious are actually denying the fact that israel has used 6000 bombs on gaza

[topaz raptor]

They are literally the de-facto government of gaza

[glossy haven]

do you genuinely think telling 2 million people to exit or face death is okay? cause other countries seem to understand this is a war crime

[topaz raptor]

Hamas is not just a tiny rag-tag group of terrorists

[glossy haven]

you're not answering my questions you're still caught up ole bad hamas !

[topaz raptor]

They are an organised organisation that receives hundreds of millions of dollars in funding from Iran and Qatar

[glossy haven]

i didn't ask you about hamas i asked you about the Israel government actions against gaza in telling people to leave

[topaz raptor]

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202201038619

"HAMAS IS A T I N Y militant GROUP"

[glossy haven]

didn't ask for an article asking about gaza

[outer coral]

polititians in isreal directly funded hamas

but ok

they gave hamas money so that they could rise to power

[glossy haven]

THEY DONT WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW THEY WERE REALLY FORMED

[outer coral]

so they have a collective bad guy they can point their weapons towards

[clever ridge]

Right? As history taught us, we should all stand against nations expanding their territories beyond their borders, creating colonies/settlements in such territories and comitting organized genocide. I'm glad we fought the Germans in WW2. Time to fight the new Germany-acting country

[outer coral]

so the oppressive policies can be justified

cuz now they have a bad guy they can unite against

isreal propped hamas up

[outer coral]

iam so tired

[clever ridge]

It's all settled

TheManThWoman agreed we wereright to fight oppressors and genocide committers in the 40s

So we should do it again

I'm glad we found common ground and all agreed on something

[glossy haven]

💀

[topaz raptor]

You think Israel needs to create a bad guy to unite against? Certain elements within the Israeli intelligence apparatus did play a part in funding Hamas in the very early days, but that's literally insignificant in today's matters, where they are entirely funded and operate on Iranian money

[glossy haven]

hamas is also insignificant to the hold on gaza

[topaz raptor]

Average murder justifier be like:

[outer coral]

yes, they need a bad guy so the isreal govt can justify what they do towards palestinians

[topaz raptor]

Right because there's never been a group that targeted Jewish people before Hamas came along...

[clever ridge]

You've been justiying and defending the IDF's actions for the past few hours. I think I'm gucci with my take

You called Palestinians "terrible casualties to this war against Hamas"

[glossy haven]

Why was hamas created ?

[topaz raptor]

Show me where I defended IDF's actions in brutalising Palestinian civilians.

[outer coral]

do u know why those groups came to be

[clever ridge]

Read up your own messages I cba

[topaz raptor]

Antisemitism

[outer coral]

who is the party is power here????

hmmm lets guess

[glossy haven]

are you going to have any kind of discussion where you actually say something or are you going to keep preaching while palestines are facing what is literally a genocide

[outer coral]

palestine, with 0 nukes

or isreal, with nukes

[topaz raptor]

If you cba to back up your claims, shut the fuck up lmao

[clever ridge]

If you're all gonna have this conversation you should at least show nuance in your opinions no matter how much passion is in it

[outer coral]

who is the party is power who can put a stop to this

[topaz raptor]

How are nukes relevant to this conversation?

[outer coral]

read

[clever ridge]

Why resorting to being rude? You and your friend asked for a civil debate earlier

[topaz raptor]

Tell me how nukes are relevant to this conversation

[glossy haven]

75 years of israel bombing palestine

[topaz raptor]

You are literally accusing me of shit I never did, and you expect civility?

[outer coral]

cuz it illustrates that isreal is the party in power

[clever ridge]

Here u go

Ill let u read the rest of the BS you spout

[outer coral]

isreal is the one with the INFLUENCE and POWER to stop the escalation of this conflict

do u understand that???

[clever ridge]

Maybe proof read urself before pressing send

[winter quartz]

an organised organisation

[topaz raptor]

How? What role do nukes play in this? Nukes have NEVER been an issue in this situation. They literally do not matter and only exist to stop the fucks over at Iran from making stupid moves

[outer coral]

oh my god/....

that was ONE EXAMPLE I USED

[glossy haven]

The fact that you are completely ignoring everything i have said to you and choose to still fight for no reason with no justification is just dangerous and not needed please stay away from this thread until you are genuinely educated

[outer coral]

ITS ONE EXAMPLE I CHOSE

[clever ridge]

They dont. U had nukes decades before Iran started developping theirs

[outer coral]

TO ILLUSTRATE THAT ISREAL IS WAY MORE POWERFUL THAN PALESTINE

[clever ridge]

So your claim isnt right. Regardless of how relevant nukes are to this conversation

[outer coral]

i couldve used isreals military size to illustrate the same fucking point

[topaz raptor]

Israel was literally working on normalising relations with the Arab states around it. Read up on the events that led to this attack by Hamas. Israel was finalising relations with Saudi Arabia and are part of a planned infrastructure project that creates a trade corridor from India to the EU, passing through Saudi Arabia and Israel. Hamas does not want relations to improve between the two regions, which is why they started this conflict with the brutal attack last week, forcing Israel's hand

[clever ridge]

There have been multiple sources saying this attack was planned for more than a year now

[glossy haven]

if you think they stop once they have gaza ?

[clever ridge]

Linking it to the normalization of relations with arabs isnt correct

[glossy haven]

egypt sold you out literally said they told you

[topaz raptor]

Israel and Saudi Arabia had been working on normalising relations for well over a year 😭

[outer coral]

forcing isreals hand??? forcing isreals hand??? illegal occupation of lands for 70 years and setting up a blockade for 15 years is FORCING THEIR HANDS????

HOW???

HOW?????

make it make sense

[clever ridge]

And it came into fruition with actual results only recently. So linking both events is iffy

[topaz raptor]

Are you literally incapable of having a conversation that does not involve screaming

[outer coral]

...

respond to my arguments instead of stating that i type in caps

my message could be not in caps and my points would still stand

[topaz raptor]

Results do not matter. Hamas simply cannot risk the chance of good relations between Israel and the Arab states. This event played perfectly into Hamas's hands, and even more into Iran's hands. This event directly caused Saudi Arabia to move away from Israel and made them focus on building relations with Iran

[glossy haven]

no dude come on this cause hamas bombed them, the palestines in gaza wouldn't have been under hold for 16 years if hamas didn't bomb israel ..def hamas please do you condemn hamas ?

actually what this person sounds like

[clever ridge]

You do realize Saudi Arabia as a sunnite nation does not contribute much to the Palestinian cause regardless ? And would not help or fund any Israeli operation regardless of relations with them ? The timing is weird granted. But the 2 events aren't linked imo

[outer coral]

literally if isreal stopped hamas wont have existed

[clever ridge]

This pov is kind of iffy as well tho

[outer coral]

if hamas didnt exist isreal would still occupy land illegally

[glossy haven]

i never in my allllll my years would have thought this would be the most misunderstood and ignored

[clever ridge]

You can take sides but you gotta admit the goal of Hamas since 2014 has been to regain control of Palestinian land from river to sea, as they say

Which makes the 2 state solution even harder

If it was as easy as Israel stop, Hamas gone, we wouldnt be here now

But you also cannot blame Hamas/Palestinians for wanting full control of a territory which was theirs in the first place

Just like you cant blame people like TheManTheWoman who grew up on such territory and now believes they own it

[outer coral]

this is my point

my point is that isreal just gave palestine back their land, hamas wont exist

[topaz raptor]

Of course Saudi Arabia would not fund Israeli operations, nor does Israel expect them to. The whole issue is opening up extremely lucrative trade routes worth hundreds of billions of dollars that would be extremely profitable to every nation that it passes through. This would bring Israel and Saudi Arabia closer and in the future in the event of another war between Israel and it's neighbours, Saudi Arabia would be unwilling to support the other parties. But now that this event put a stop to all of it, it's much more likely that if there is a war in the future, Saudi Arabia will absolutely take the side against Israel, if not directly, at least indirectly

[topaz raptor]

You think Hamas will just disappear into thin air?

[glossy haven]

i'm not upset at this person nor do i think they are wrong in any way i think they are missing context of years of oppression and it's okay to not know. It's not okay to not listen

[clever ridge]

Saudi Arabia is not supporting the other parties regardless as it is. Verbal support changes nothing. They will never show directly military involvement

Because the Palestinian side rn = Iran

On the larger scale of things

Normalization of relations with KSA would mainly have the economical benefits you brought up amongst others

But from a military standpoint it changes nothing

[clever ridge]

I think they're disregarding/belittle-ing said oppression more than missing context tbh lol