classic

[teal cradle]

does cat sunfire crit scale with spell crit?

[rough rampart]

Is this another discord server?

[shy lake]

pins

[vestal barn]

hurricane

druid classic server wants to verify my phone number to even talk, what a pain in the ass

[limber parrot]

whats better for feral? 4 agi 4 str or 8 agi

[blissful gorge]

prob rank 2 heading touch

plus 2 blooms n spam wrath for mama ticks

[north coral]

bloom seemed kinda shit, I've been doing the math

looks like regrowth is better than lifebloom

I haven't confirmed, but I think it may also be more likely to crit?

and it's slightly more efficient

and you cast it faster

It seems something like this
Healing touch>Regrowth>Lifebloom>Rejuvenation

Rejuv seems like a spell you shouldn't cast unless you just need a ton of output at once and don't care about mana efficiency. Wild growth for raid heals.

lifebloom's mana cost should probably be reduced or its healing increased

[vague turtle]

anyone have a weakaura for omen of clarity?

[vague lantern]

is weapon dps relvant for feral in classic sod?

[tawdry cedar]

no

doesn't scale yet, iirc they hinted either scaling on wdps or feral ap on weapon could be added later but there is no more info yet, so it's the same as Vanilla ie. no scaling

[shy lake]

There is already feral AP on weapon. First one is from BFD, Lorgus Jett

Expect one every raid tier. Pray for one in a dungeon at the next raid tiers

[noble forge]

Havent really seen any hints just some stupid content creators not understanding weapon damage scaling of mangle

But yea there is an ap weapon right now and if we are being pedantic atiesh also always had feral ap

[gentle jolt]

I wasn't sure if always had it, or if it was added in a later patch

Atiesh, that is

[noble forge]

Was there a later patch?

[gentle jolt]

Fuck knows I was like 9 lmao

[shy lake]

As well as AQ mace, Naxx mace, and world dragon(?)

[waxen robin]

In cat sunfire is better than mutilate ?

• Does anybody has tips to get the tanking rune without paying 40 gold ?

[noble forge]

which ones?

I looked through the AQ 20/40 loot table didnt see anything with feral attack power

ah but yea this one has

weird a f

[shy lake]

It’s from the drop turn-ins https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=21268/blessed-qiraji-war-hammer

[noble forge]

ah

also on a onehander

very weird

🤔

[shy lake]

Dragon https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=20580/hammer-of-bestial-fury

[shy lake]

This was your BiS offhand 🙂 https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=13385/tome-of-knowledge

[noble forge]

wasnt mcp still best until atiesh?

[shy lake]

Yes, just weren’t popping charges on trash or dungeons

I think Atiesh got really close if not slightly overtaking mcp for cat. It wasn’t anywhere close for bear because 97% of your damage / threat was swing timer

[noble forge]

yea atiesh vs mcp wasnt fully sure
but prolly atiesh ahead especially cause you likely arent enchanting your 20 pummelers

[shy lake]

Mcp better for cat but it’s “close”. I don’t care enough to find the numbers for what close is

You just use iron counterweights on pummeler unless you’re a super sweaty cat (icw best for bear, not close). Counterweights were cheap as shit

Although maybe ally could have gotten away with agi enchants for cat with the delete recover exploit. Doesn’t work anymore though

[noble forge]

couldnt you just do both?

arent counterweights weapon enchants like sharpening stones/WF

[shy lake]

No, icw is in the enchant category

Nobody used them besides us and maybe the diehard rets but they might still use crusader

[noble forge]

ah my bad then thought was just temp enchant makes sense then

[shy lake]

Only annoying thing about them is they required BS to apply. so you likely had to bother someone sometime before raid and before they got world buffs. Or have BS yourself which was technically optimal anyways for the anti-fear trinket (at least before pvp trinkets were out).

Not sure how they’ll hold up in SoD. We have globals now for bear so not 100% reliant on swing timer.

[vague lantern]

does feral profit from the AS use on the crafting gloves?

[shy lake]

Yes

[sleek hill]

https://vanilla.warcraftlogs.com/reports/C8HVf9DXwGR41L2q#fight=last&type=damage-done

rdruids

check out the logs

not sure if im wasting mana by using rejuv..

[inland ravine]

Should we pop savage roar at max combo?

[shy lake]

For SoD? 1pt roar and then maintain 5pt roars. Will probably only get 1pt roars if you’re sunfire cleaving

[inland ravine]

ok

[runic scaffold]

So you just swap to mangle for ST and keep sunfire the rest of the time?

[noble forge]

personally I like mangle most of the time highly prefer killing single enemies over multidotting

and sunfire didnt really feel like (much) more damage even on multitarget

[cobalt swift]

I think it's worth two or three point roars if your mobs are dying quickly where you might not have energy to pop the roar when they're ab to die

anybody have a link to a import string for weak auras that will help me know when I'm clear casting in sod classic?

[undone sun]

Whats the best way to go get the starsurge rune being horde ? do I have to walk trough plaguelands ?

[noble forge]

just the straight way there?

[cobalt swift]

zep from org. South side of platform. then run

tarren mill fp if u have from UC

[dusk fractal]

Any one got a good season of discovery PvP build for 25? Thinking of going feline swiftness, stack Stam and agi, and sun fury spam and run

[lost cradle]

There was some discussion about that last night. Sounds like going full on feral with mangle and roar is the best burst. Word was you can kill cloth wearers fast. Kitty sunfire build seems pretty versatile though, and going more of a run and gun kind of approach against warriors, other ferals, and rogues.

You can also spec down to omen of clarity. I do think for pvp, though, having feline swiftness is a big deal.

[noble forge]

going full feral never highest burst

[shy lake]

the talents that add no damage don't add burst

[lost cradle]

I was curious about that too. I guess in context, they just meant rune-wise: roar, mangle, strikes. If you're willing to give up swiftness, is this the heaviest hitter?

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/druid/014005001-5

11/5/0 if you dont wanna click, taking grasp, natural weapons, and omen in resto, and 5 into ferocity in feral

balance*, not resto

[noble forge]

dunno

dont think playing mangle is doable

[shy lake]

the issue with mangle in pvp is you are basically giving up your biggest strength and now hoping to just out dps other classes

[noble forge]

and you cant really kite shit

you just die

[lost cradle]

so if you give up mangle, there's no real reason to put any points into ferocity, right? Man it's some work trying to squeeze out a build with 16 talent points haha

[shy lake]

sunfire kite pvp is just about the movespeed and outranging everyone

casters can't cast if you toy with the edge of their range and no melee can close the distance

[sonic lotus]

Is there a YouTuber for feral/balance druid I should check out for SoD content?

Wanting to learn a bit about it before I start my first

[shy lake]

there is Soda who usually plays feral / pvp but I wouldn't consider him educational

[lost cradle]

Supa put out a video early on, but I'm not sure how relevant it is now that people have got more stuff figured out. Starsurge being really weak, for one.

[stark spoke]

Will Blackfathom Sharpening Stone override/negate the wild strikes effect?

[dire python]

is there a separate discord for sod or is this it?

[inland ravine]

This is prolly an extreme longshot, but anyone have stat-weights I could use, for general baseline?

[noble forge]

strength> agi > ap

[blissful gorge]

the only pvp build is 30% cat n bear to be a flag carry bot

[tidal pond]

Guys.. can you help me figuring out why In a whole BFD raid I got 0 proc of clear casting( omen of clarity) as feral please ??

[tacit sedge]

You didn't hit anything?

It just didn't proc?

You don't have the talent?

[tidal pond]

What do you mean by hit I standed still afk the whole raid? :v

Ofc I got the galent

11/0/5 I'm running

https://vanilla.warcraftlogs.com/reports/A4d8QMpXFnrb37TW#boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2&type=auras&source=2

Zero proc on everything mob+boss

I'm baffled

[tacit sedge]

"Chance"

[indigo salmon]

i mean accorfding to the log you dont have the omen of clarity buff

omen is a clickable button in classic which gives you a 10min buff

[gloomy lagoon]

Is there a downside to taking natures grasp instead of imp wrath for feral dps? I don’t see the point of imp wrath if I cat the whole time

[blissful gorge]

@gloomy lagoon no downside really

[quaint gust]

What's the stats you hierarchy for feral tanks?

[nocturne shard]

You probably didn't buff yourself with it lol

[nocturne shard]

Lmao you asked a question and got an answer, calm your tits buddy

Then why so defensive LUL

Not the point, I'm talking bout how you react, no point, go about ur day lol

Not worth the time brother

Ah yes very much trying to be right

Sad person

Cya bro

Of course, and everyone is black or white

Very nuanced personality

I'm out bro, bb

[noble forge]

What did we miss

[shy lake]

someone didn't press OOC and got mad

[nocturne shard]

I hit someones Enrage Timer by answering a question

[shy lake]

str/stam/agi all pretty equal. lvl25 does not have balanced gear. just pick the ones that are over budgeted

[velvet plume]

Any of you fine nature kings know how to get icons showing when using an addon like Vuhdo with the new Runes? - For example, I can drag the new lifebloom / wild growth spell to Vuhdo or an addon like healbot but even though I can cast it, it doesn't actually show up as ticking icon?

[astral summit]

Feral tank, still go omen or different?

I feel like I have rage problems

[shy lake]

don't overspend rage in dungeons. you don't need to double the next guys threat.

10/6/0 is marginally better threat than omen.

[rich zinc]

Hey quick question

This doesnt stack with the fury of the stormrage rune does it?

[rough flint]

fots is on chest

so yes

gloves*

[rich zinc]

So starsurge doesnt cost mana

and is an insta cast

[rough flint]

oh thats what ur asking

no

[rich zinc]

yeah sorry thats why I asked about both runes XD

was gonna say thats pretty op

[rough flint]

its already insanely cheap

[slow wagon]

But will stop regen

[shy lake]

It’s true mana cost is lost of mp5

[gentle jolt]

Yes, the free wraths don't incur mana regen stopping

[sonic lotus]

That's awesome

[worn shadow]

I specced into insect swarm so that I could have a third dot, but it doesnt feel strong. Is it worth pursuing a rDPS in the future, or did i choose the wrong talents?

[split hull]

Yes boomie could be extremly strong if starsurge was actually any useful, let's hope they buff it soon

[worn shadow]

Does it benefit from the talent that gives starfire stun and reduced cast time

[split hull]

it benefits from every talent for Wrath and Starfire so yes

Still isn't enough to make it good considering how low the base dmg is

[worn shadow]

I thought it's damage was a bit low and not really worth it. Ty for explaining that. Im thinking about swapping to feral then.

[carmine path]

Hi, boomie turned bear here. Im playing SoD and am confused on what I should be focusing on talent-wise. Do I spec more into damage w/ omen, or do I just run down feral tree ?

[shy lake]

11/0/5 for cat/hybrid
11/5/0 or 10/6/0 for mono bear

[shy lake]

It does less damage than wrath. It’s damage on the move only and probably still not worth pushing. Balance is dead until changes

[worn shadow]

Yeah. Sad.

[maiden current]

Hows everyone liking (or not liking) feral in SoD?

[worn shadow]

Does the vengeance talent give starsurge a total of 40% crit bonus damage at rank 1, since it receives bonuses from both wrath and starfire?

[fast helm]

is wild growth rune acquisition bugged for anyone? im on crusader strike and the wisp is just sitting there and no mobs get summoned for the first owl statue

[void spear]

playing classic SOD. Any ideas for dueling a shaman at lvl 20?

these are my talents so far, i'm lvl 20: https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/druid/500001--05

gona kick his ass!

[north coral]

I heard starsurge was confirmed to be getting a buff by a dev on twitter, but I can't find any evidence. Has anyone else heard about this?

[shy lake]

yes, they are looking at it.
no, I'm not looking for it

[north coral]

do you know who might have tweeted about it? Aggrend?

Like I keep hearing people say they're looking at it, but I can't confirm it.

[noble forge]

yikes

[cold moth]

so im coming back to duid after awhile would https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/druid/500005001--05 this be good runes for someone wanting to run hybrid or would investing into feral be better?

[noble forge]

not sure what you mean with hybrid - but those are the best dps cat talents

[cold moth]

i like to offtank or just tank if i need to but dont like to contantly change talents

[noble forge]

gonna be fine

not optimal bear talents but quite close

[cold moth]

what would optimal for bear if you dont mind me asking?

[noble forge]

apparently 10/6/0

and the 6 in feral are literally only for the + threat

or at least mostly

[cold moth]

ohhh that makes sense ty for the info

[maiden current]

I had that but switched it to the default feral talent tree. I like the movement speed in the world

I did not see a omen proc at all when I was running it

[sharp locust]

Is rake worth pressing in SoD?

[rich zinc]

man how does one play resto druid

is it fury of the storm for free healing touches?

[rough flint]

instant, not free

[shy lake]

fury of the storm wrath spam when heals aren't needed
wild growth after raid burst
HT (probably downranked?) spam for actually single target heals

top 3 complete raid healing parses (yes yes, healing parses are memes) but it gives you an idea of what buttons you actually push

[rich zinc]

does it matter what rank wrath I do?

also god damn that wild growth

[shy lake]

wrath is free with FoN so you cast max

[rich zinc]

sure but

the time casting

means longer to fish for free healing touch

1 second vs 1.5

[shy lake]

you're not fishing for HT procs. you're dpsing because you aren't needed to heal

[rich zinc]

ah ok

[shy lake]

ideally, you press wild growth when raid needs heals. other non-druid healer is keeping up tanks

and help with HT as needed, procs or not

[rich zinc]

so what does the ideal talent tree look like

[shy lake]

FoN is just free dps because you should always be casting

[rich zinc]

is it the hybrid one from wowhead?

[shy lake]

probably this for pure healer

[rich zinc]

ok

[shy lake]

you can largely accomplish the same as cat 11/0/5 with furor and just have slower HT

[rich zinc]

Slower HT

what is HT

[shy lake]

Healing Touch

[rich zinc]

well the goal is to fish for the freebies right?

[shy lake]

I'm saying you could run the cat dps 11/0/5 (wrath, natural weapons, ooc, furor) and STILL do the job with just Wild Growths and a slower cast Healing Touch

the HT's from FoN are NOT free. They are just instant

[rich zinc]

Could I do a PVP style of this

Max Wrath Max Natures grasp

then improved mark

also am i reading omen of clarity correct?

its asking for melee hits

if im running fury why would I run omen

never played druid before thats why im asking all these questions

[shy lake]

11/0/5 (wrath, natural weapons, ooc, furor) this is a cat build.
5/0/11 (wrath, motw, healing touch, insect swarm) is a healer build

[rich zinc]

ooooooooooo ok

yeah my buddy wants me to be their healer so thats why im askin

so omen of clarity

if I get the clear cast do I have to go back and reapply the omen of clarity?

[rich zinc]

If I wanted to do cat healer build could I max Natures grasp instead of wrath?

cuz I could run wild strikes instead of fury of storm

[tacit belfry]

So ive been going around on druid for few days now, So would i be completely wrong if i say that Druid (outside of restoration) is probably worst class in pvp?

In SOD that is

[shy lake]

You could run Nature's Grasp and WS and try to catweave. It will be taxing with the limited mana pool but give some uptime on WS for melee if you have them in your party.

[rich zinc]

yeah

thinking out loud I think the wrath is better for phases I have to move away from boss

[shy lake]

30% MS Sunfire cat has a 100% win rate against any melee in an open field. If you lose without outside intervention, you fucked up

[rich zinc]

I would still want all my int gear playing kitty

cuz goal is still big wild growths

ok

now to figure out what runes I would run

[tacit belfry]

Okay to be honest i didnt even consider sunfire for cat. Till now ive lost almost all Fair 1v1's to every class while on warrior i have won all classes atleast once, seems i need to try sunfire cat then

[shy lake]

Sunfire is the best rune any time you cleave

From classic discord

I can’t imagine warrior is great. You need warbringer and warbringer sucks to get. Otherwise, I feel like it’s just hoping for big dam one shots

[tacit belfry]

To be honest when playing the warrior it just that it oneshots😅

We did test with friend with almost same gear level my warrior with 2h sword only AA versus his druid as cat form only using mangle, His druid died before i went to 40% of hp as warrior both having around 700 health

[shy lake]

Warrior damage is like 90% white hits. You have no buttons to push

[tacit belfry]

that is true

[high fulcrum]

Is there any Wow season of discovery druid server? 🫡

[grave minnow]

Guys can I wear tailoring and leather epics in the same time in sod? Who tried?

[hollow sorrel]

Can anyone help me figure out why no weakauras for combo points are not working? I've tried using 3 different ones.

[silent hollow]

where can i check pre raid gear for sod on feral DPS?

[slow wagon]

Try making one

[slow wagon]

No

[slow wagon]

What if you are facing another cat

[noble forge]

Cats are ranged

So not a melee

[slow wagon]

Learning

[rich zinc]

I have a dumb question

Does mana regen when I am in cat or bear form

[slow wagon]

It does

[shy lake]

Yes, it will start after normal mp5 rules since getting into form is a spell cast

[rich zinc]

Perfect

Im thinking of this build with my raid, but I will be replacing fury of stormrage with wild strike

My raid group is super melee heavy,

[crystal kayak]

Would this be viable for PVP in SOD?
I'm thinking of just kiting and spamming sunfire
Pretty new player so i dont want extra abilites to think of xD

[shy lake]

Thick hide is very very weak for 5 pts
Get imp bash. Would prefer imp stealth over thick hide
Would prefer feral charge over 1 pt imp shred. You can at least charge out of a fight to another target and then cat to get distance

But yeah, sunfire and kite is ferals best pvp option and it’s very unfair

[crystal kayak]

is there macro to go bear form and charge?

[shy lake]

You could macro it but there will be a slight delay. You would need furor too to have the rage. However, if something is currently on you, you can go bear, get rage, charge someone else / NPC and then go cat and have distance again

/use !bear form
/use feral charge

[crystal kayak]

I see

[shy lake]

/use [no form:1] bear form
/use feral charge
might be a better one button as it wouldn’t try to cast bear when already bear

[blissful gorge]

is survival rune even worth it? feel like not

[uncut acorn]

anyone has a talent sheet for feral dps that could work for tanking too (season of discovery)?

[shy lake]

11/0/5 with furor

[shy lake]

It’s an amazing pvp rune. It’s an amazing PvE rune if your group is good enough that it lets you solo heal the raid and add another DPS

[vivid ore]

new feral dps SOD here
what should my rotation be on boss in BFD? usually I start with fairie fire then shift into cat form and put mangle up on boss then I pop tigers fury and stake rake until I can hit savage roar. is this a good rotation?

[viscid wigeon]

Anyone know why cat and bear form sunfire don't work? When in those forms the spell still costs mana and still takes you out of form

[warm widget]

it actually transforms moonfire while you're in form, so put that on your bar instead of sunfire and it'll work. pretty unintuitive.

[noble forge]

Open spellbook go to balance and there will be a sunfire costing energy/rage

Alternatively you could use a macro the thing which swaps is moonfire rank 1

[vivid ore]

literally go to your runes tab in cat form

sunfire cat form should be right there

[brittle delta]

hi what should I give my first row talents before ooc as cat druid in SoD? wrath or nature?

[noble forge]

yes

can also mix if you want to

[brittle delta]

is there something wrong with omen of clarity? I killed more than 20 mobs but not even 1 proc

in sod

[noble forge]

you probably didnt cast it

[brittle delta]

oh damn just realized yeah

thought it was passive

[noble forge]

honestly im very confused how this is a very common issue

[indigo salmon]

someone mentioned to me that feline swiftness doesnt work in WSG is this true does the entire battlegoudn count as inside

[crystal kayak]

it works

[spiral flint]

can any feral enjoyers tell me if right is better? has to be right, because of strength?

[crystal kayak]

Right is same attack power, but 6 more stamina

[noble forge]

... which means left is better

[spiral flint]

Why is left better

[noble forge]

because its more damage

[spiral flint]

but its the same attack power

or what am I missing

[noble forge]

what does agi do?

[spiral flint]

crit for weapon

gain has to be minimal, ill just take the extra stam for now

[noble forge]

for weapon?

for anything melee

[spiral flint]

is mangle etc a weapon based attack, or how does it work in classic

[noble forge]

not sure what you mean when you say weapon based attack - it doesnt scale off of the damage of your weapon if thats what you are asking

but just like shred for example it has "technically" a weapon% scaling - because cat form has weapon damage - that has nothing to do with your actual weapons damage

however all of this has nothing to do with agi giving crit - for example evis from rogues also scales off of agi crit and it has nothing to do with weapon damage what so ever

[tidal mason]

hey any SoD druid tanks here that really know their stuff?

[mental crystal]

Probably not no

[shy lake]

Pinned discord will have more info. And it’s always better to just ask the question

[vestal barn]

bro is savage roar not a guaranteed drop from kolkar chests?

how many you gotta open?

[dusk fractal]

Any one running PvP with feral and using sun fire? Should I put lifebloom on the pants?

[shrewd walrus]

LF good plater or addon that shows timer on rejuv and so on on the target.

[paper brook]

You want it on friendly nameplates or on party? If party, I use the omni package (cc/cd/bar).

[quaint galleon]

What would you guys recommend for talents for all around tanking/dps/pvp feral?

[spiral flint]

is weapon skill important for feral?

because I actually have to auto attack in human form to level the skill

[noble forge]

no

[quartz garnet]

does any1 know with what sunfire feral scales

spell dmg or agi?

[noble forge]

attack power

[cobalt bane]

can ferals use bfd sharpening stone? or is it only for weapon hit

[rigid echo]

for feral in SoD, do you ever rake?

[shy lake]

we currently have no idea if it actually works

[shy lake]

no. there is a small chance it is worth it on turtle boss. small

[rigid echo]

ok ty

[slate salmon]

i was seeing on logs that druids are taking sunfire for him

[shy lake]

yes, sunfire is easily the simplest thing to do there. its possible mangle/rip does better but people really don't care to test much rn

[keen star]

how do dmg buffs work with travel time

if I cast a spell with travel time then I gain a buff does that spell get buffed if it lands after?

[analog belfry]

For SoD feral druids isn't rake supposed to tick for much more then 9 per 3 sec is it nerf for some reason in sod because it made the ability absolutely useless and you just don't want press the button how useless is it the dmg is worst then single single attack like literally entire rake does 58 dmg or something

[faint talon]

Can we clip auto attacks in SoD? I don't know if I should have a swingtimer or not

[indigo salmon]

yeah basically bleeds in classic dont get upgraded with level or stats or whatever so they are mostly useless

[vestal barn]

it was always useless in classic

[analog belfry]

Aww that sucks I really loved it on tbc and wotl when rake does tons of dmg even from first rank

Thank you for the answer

[shy lake]

Sunfire rests swing timer even in bear/cat

[tidal salmon]

Hello all, I'm new to druid and just ran my first BFD as resto and I sucked! are there any links to good rotations and priorities that I could take a look at?

I seem to run out of mana so fast, and although Im dealing a good amount of damage with Fury of Stormrage, the other healer managed nearly double my healing

[normal hemlock]

get wildgrowth rune

wait til multiple people in a group are half hp

healing touch tanks sparringly

resto druids arent very good tank healers but are great at raids reals

[limber parrot]

whats the best enchants i can get on each slot as a feral in current SoD

[cobalt bane]

Is the Protectors band (4 strength 4 Agi) better than Silverlaines Seal (7 strength). Talking about Rings for feral

[quiet solstice]

Can someone give me a basic rundown on how to properly dps on feral Druid. Like combo points and all that. I have watched videos but nothing really makes sense

[rough flint]

both are 2nd bis, only ones better are thunderbrow boe which most people sell for like 100-200g (not worth at all) or the horde only BFD quest so if you're alliance you'd just use those two regardless

[cobalt bane]

Alright, thanks!

[limber parrot]

make sure omen of clarity is on, shred when you get a clear casting proc, build combo points with mangle, power shift when you have 15 energy or less and more than 263 mana, keep savage roar up and spend any extra combo points on rip

[vague turtle]

how should i be gearing my feral for pvp? mostly as a flag carrier

should i be all in on tank/str gear, or a mix of int/str/stam

[shy lake]

FC is all int/stam

[proper field]

Any thoughts about the Boomie Buffs? Worth switching or stay as Feral 🤔

[gentle jolt]

Play what you like more

[gusty dagger]

Is there a better SOD druid resource discord?

Seems like this place is kinda dead compared to some of the other classes in terms of active theory crafting

[cosmic thunder]

The classic druid discord

Should be a link in pins

[gusty dagger]

amazing, sorry I was on mobile and this new interface is super annoying

I appreciate it1

!

[cosmic thunder]

Yeah idk why they decided to hide the pins button on Mobile

[sturdy bloom]

SOD Q: Is Omen too good to pass up? Got to 25 and did all the dungeons with the typical all feral build. I always do the best dps. Seeing Omen and thinking it could be a big deal with Rip but also lose the movement speed and 50% chance at extra combo point.

I main different class in retail so I am not so sure if Omen is the best choice or if not,

[green hazel]

most use 11/0/5 for pve for omen and powershifting, for pvp get the movespeed

[shy lake]

11/0/5 is standard cat PvE DPS. You mostly want natural weapons, omen is just great for 1 pt
Just don’t forget to keep the 10m buff up as a lot of people assume it’s purely passive

[sturdy bloom]

Interesting. You can stance dance between forms and not go OOM? I will have to try it. My gear has no int

[dawn silo]

how is starsurge dps now?

[vestal barn]

182% higher

[noble forge]

Ofc you go oom at some point

But without power shifting you just wouldn't use the mana

[shy lake]

Didn’t even factor in the CD reduction. Shame

[void spear]

does anyone know of a good build for sod that is a balance/feral hybrid?

they just buffed balance but i'm feral T.T

[calm ridge]

is the bfd lockout 3 days from when you get saved?

or is it every 3 days on a rotating schedule?

[dusk fractal]

It’s a 3 day rotating schedule

I’m doing feral with feline swiftness for PvP and using star surge for additional burst

Dominating world PVP

Just kite, sun fire, kite, sun fire, heal and star surge, kite lol

[peak ibex]

does anyone know whats the best pvp talent build fod sod

for*

[fossil rampart]

could prolly just run balance with insect swarm 3 dots and cheap starsurge would probably be good

with the 2% hit reduction

[royal sage]

do hots stack now in SoD?

[ancient ice]

Has someone noticed a difference in feral tonight? i've either had really random horrific luck or somethings shadow happened. I've combed logs from three days ago to today's raid and my crit on every boss seems to be 10% lower.

[keen meadow]

Since sunfire counts as moonfire in druid bear form

does that mean that dmg and crit from moonfire

will help in sunfire bear form dmg?

[shy lake]

Speed, imp bash. can pick up a point in NG.

[shy lake]

Yes, you can take improved moonfire for cat/bear sunfire. 16/0/0 isnt as good as the standard builds but it’s decent

[keen meadow]

im still lvling, i just sunfire 3 mobs > go bear and refresh them, so i figured for now that would be a big gain for me

[shy lake]

That’s just RNG. Welcome to classic. Short fights, 30% miss, low crit means wildly different results

[shy lake]

I personally wouldn’t delay natural weapons unless you want to respec at 20.

[keen meadow]

What modifiers influence my spells though? In no form does sunfire and moonfire both benefit from the talent and spellpower? And what in bear form? Will sunfife benefit from AP or from spellpower? Its a tad confusing for me

[shy lake]

In form, AP and spell crit(I think)
Caster is SP and spell crit

Also, it’s a spell so it resets swing timer. So keep that in mind if you use it in bear

[keen meadow]

Uff thats annoying, didnt think about that :p

[keen meadow]

I'm just wondering what the best play is for tanking dungeons atm. I was thinking of running in, tossing a few sunfires, going bear form and then just maintain the sunfires. spec into 10% dmg/crit on moonfire and just ignore maul and swipe. but i don't think thats going to be the play then.

What do you guys do to tank dungeons?

[shy lake]

Lacerate tab and liberal use of taunt. Don’t over spend rage. I’d you have threat, then pool up rage because rage gen is awful

[keen meadow]

that sounds horrible

guess ill just inv a 2h ret to tank my dungeons for me

and go cat or healer

[noble forge]

I liked sunfire

but yea obviously you are bear you cant aoe tank

so sometimes some of your teammates will have threat

and thats fine

[shy lake]

Cat is fantastic. I was pulling big damage in SFK with only a 3 agi ring as my cat stats. Tab sunfire while keeping up SR does work

Rage tanks are just really weak in dungeons right now. Nothing hurts you enough to get rage. You don’t deal enough damage to get rage.

[tulip arrow]

yoo whats better in SoD, Ferocity or Furor for feral dps? in raid

[shy lake]

Furor and it’s not close

[keen meadow]

Sr?

[shy lake]

Savage Roar

[keen meadow]

Aight so go cat, ditch mangle for sunfire, keep savage roar up and spam those sunfires on multipme targets

[shy lake]

Yup, mangle better for single target so if you care in dungeons, swap spare gloves.

In dungeons it’s just a lot of sunfire and 1 pt roars

This is like lvl23 sfk and small pulls while I was in full healer gear and occasionally backup healing on scuffed pulls / healer sfk. Sunfire does a lot of work

[radiant plaza]

anyone have a decent balance pvp talent build?

[noble forge]

feral

[shy lake]

yup, deep feral for movespeed is the play vs most matchups

[slate salmon]

have we figured out if the bfd whetstones work for kitty/bear

[shy lake]

no, that is an extensive test with no good method available

test for other stones in classic were done against the ghost ogres in DM West with like 10k white hits

[radiant plaza]

i mean for SoD btw

[shy lake]

got my druid to 25. instant bfd as resto. walked out with 4 items.

[nocturne shard]

omfg

does anyone know if you can get another shard of the void?

I accidentally made the wrong epic

wtf........

[keen meadow]

I actually just hit 21 and did deadmines as a druid tank, sunfire was 60% of my overall dmg and i didn't really lose aggro except to a rogue who was blasting so i just let him tank his mob and it went good 😄

[shy lake]

Yea, some make two for quick rune swap

[dawn ridge]

Anyone know if nature or arcane spell power is better for balance in sod?

[nocturne shard]

Yeah got second, that was an unpleasant amount of running

[nocturne shard]

No idea but should be straightforward calculate no?

just get an avg fight time, see how many times you can pop a certain cd in that timeframe

and then just see which boosters would be better for an optimal rotation

boosters as in nature/arcane spell damage

But hopefully someone knows so you dont have to open Excel 😄

[dawn ridge]

ok ill try

[shy lake]

Rough feedback I got was arcane for pvp and for PvE it’s close. Can ask for more info in the classic discord in the pins

[dawn ridge]

tyvm<3

[radiant matrix]

hello, was wondering if there was a WA like this for classic? https://wago.io/Yo_lNm5ZP

[noble forge]

oh no

[shy lake]

[dusk fractal]

wait you can get a second shard for void?

just have to repeat the process?

[ruby nexus]

only box

[dusk fractal]

i just read that.. interesting i can just go grab another box from the same raid lol

[ruby nexus]

just pick it up and go destroy

[dusk fractal]

will wait a bit so i can get the clams too hehe

[ruby nexus]

got 25 g today from them

[shy lake]

They share a cd. It’s just rune swapping

[dusk fractal]

Perfect thanks

Does any one know what healing tree is best? Wrath free spam or just go down resto tree with living seed?

[shy lake]

Living sees is absolute trash

Most resto talents available are useless. Reduced HT cast does something. Mana regen does very little

Many people just run 11/0/5 for wrath spam between heals / OOC fishing for wild growth while having a good spec for cat outside raid

[fallen sundial]

Quick question regarding SOD feral. Is it worth using energy for rake as it seems very weak for its energy cost and our scarcity of energy regen

[shy lake]

Rake is a waste of gold to train

[dusk fractal]

Thanks man. Great info

[radiant matrix]

this is very important

[dull aurora]

Must i pick OOC? for feral? i would really love to have the movement speed lol. is the dps increase that much?

[shy lake]

raids are indoors. the speed does not work indoors

[blissful gorge]

if you're leveling and farming go speed . raids u prob want omen

depends on how much gold you try to make. but I'm up to 6 respecs so far cause speed is just too nice when traveling zones

[keen meadow]

If ur lvling just port to moonglade, fly to darnassus, get the 2hour buff and hs back to stormwind. Its 20% speed and insane boost to ur sunfire/wrath/starsurge and play with 11/0/5

[lone vigil]

I'm really enjoying starsurge.

Excited for the next phase when Balance gets bonus crit damage, spell speed after crits and moonkin form.

I guess the rotation will be maintain dots, cast starsurge on CD, then spam wrath for crits to fast cast Starfall. I don't know what runes they could add next phase. Hopefully not an eclipse mechanic

[fiery sedge]

Can the Wowhead guide for feral SOD be trusted regarding talents and bis list? Saw someone say it was outdated and the items were not bis or obtainable, and the talents not were ment for end game raiding

[shy lake]

Talents were 11/0/5 on there last I checked which is correct.

For gear, use the weights provided by the classic discord. https://sixtyupgrades.com/sod/ep/import?name=Feral DPS EP&31=1&33=1&4=2.2&0=2.2&34=10&40=10
Can check if the item is from an absurdly high quest or actually attainable. You’ll have to factor in set bonus based on the weights.

[noble forge]

While I don't know the bis list on wowhead definition of bis isn't as universal as you may think

[fiery sedge]

What do you mean? Do you mean that there is alternatives to the bis list? Bis is calculated to be best in slot i suppose

[noble forge]

Yes you suppose that but in a lot of cases that's not what bis lists are or even very useful

For example in sod a lot of classes for pre raid bis would have nearly unobtainable boes

Or insane wsg rep requirements

Would that be useful to write down? Probably not even if it would be bis

[shy lake]

40 hour grind for +2 strength

This is why weights and sixtyupgrades should be used and why Druid classic discord feral mods refuse to pin a list

[potent perch]

And after farming your PvP gear you end up in a raid that doesn't have sunder armor and/or equivalent. 😭

[keen meadow]

I love lists with 4-5options per slot

[fiery sedge]

yes the warlock bis list has 4-7 alternatives that are almost as good, but a lot cheaper or eaasier to get

[potent perch]

I'm glad the BiS lists lagged a bit because I was able to snag 2nd pre-raid BiS items for cheap.

People were charging 30-50g for pre-raid BiS items and the 2nd options were going for 70s-2g.

[shy lake]

By definition, that is not a BiS list

[potent perch]

It can be. Like with Twilight Slayer's Cowl and Artemis Cowl.

[spice ember]

What is it then? Bis list with options?

[shy lake]

The B stands for Best

[spice ember]

Gear list with items thats good for your class ranked from 1-5

[spice ember]

Yeah, so if the list lists 5 items from best to "worse" its not a bis list? just a list? xD

[shy lake]

Correct. It’s just a list of gear. Which is what people should use and evaluate based on time and effort vs relative EP gains. BiS is BiS

[spice ember]

Wich the highest ranked item is. BiS in that slot xD

but hey, not a bis list since it lists options

[shy lake]

BiS is BiS. I’m not sure what is so difficult to understand there.

[potent perch]

The person said BiS list with alternatives. Not sure what the misunderstanding was.

[spice ember]

That u think a list cant contain options and still be called a bis list

[potent perch]

You can have a BiS list ... that also has alternatives.

The BiS items are still BiS.

[shy lake]

Y’all really like bastardizing words until they lose meaning

[spice ember]

So whats the diff between having a BiS List listing the best item u can get for each slot and a list listing the best items u can have for each slot with alternatives?

[potent perch]

You have to call it BiS+.

[spice ember]

BiS with options, cause this one guy on discord said u cant call it BiS list when it has more then 1 item per slot. Ima get the wowhead guys to change the name

[potent perch]

Rolls off the tongue.

I thought you where joking ...

[spice ember]

They guy asked for it.

[ripe sapphire]

Hey, is this a good place to ask for help for SoD related things?

Its classic, but its not classic era or wrath classic etc os im not sure if its all just bunched int oone or what

Well I scrolled up a bit and answered my own question. As for my actual question, is anyone here confident with macros? I am having an issue that im pretty confident doesn't have an answer but I want it to.

[potent perch]

I see this said everywhere, but I'm 98% certain this is wrong. I still get Wild Strike procs even when using the Sharpening Stone. Hell, I still get Wild Strike procs even without a weapon equiped. Am I missing something?

[shy lake]

Wowhead isn’t always a reliable source. Current state is that the stone doesn’t prevent WS from working. It is untested if we actually benefit from the stone at all.

[shy lake]

Always best to just ask the question than to ask if you can ask a question.

[potent perch]

Yeah. I'm not sure if I saw any benefit, but it's kind of hard to gauge. lol

[ripe sapphire]

I thought this the most silly take, but i just unequipped, I did infact proc even though I dont have the WS buff on my bar wtf and my weapon gone

But idk if the hit went off

[shy lake]

The original tests in classic for certain stones was done over like 10k hits against the invincible ghost ogres in DM West. Getting a sample size large enough to determine high accuracy about a 2% change takes a long time.

[ripe sapphire]

Fair enough, well i guess here goes, yap.

[shy lake]

Elemental sharpening stone: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xbCYNnwiTa_yL0LhbIeHMiUuqeP2Nm-M6fkniXoGLcg/edit?usp=sharing

[shy lake]

Was more than 10k hits actually.

[ripe sapphire]

I want a macro that equip a pair gloves, by name ofc, that have my sunfire rune on them. I find at times its nice to have the range in cat form when im getting kited or if i want to kite. Ofc you can only equip gloves when out of combat so if you spam this macro trying to equip them and then cast sunfire asap it will just default to a moonfire cast out of form which well... takes me out of form.

TL;DR I want a /cast sunfire + /equip gloves macro that doesn't take me out of cat when I spam it in combat.

This atm is my basic one, it.. works

#showtooltip
/cast [nomod]Moonfire(rank 1)
/equip Forest Leather Gloves

I just want it to be cleaner, but i dont know if theres a way to stop it from just clearing my form.

In classic 2 years ago casting from form would just 'fail' and require a manual /cancelform but now its automated so in this instance its a problem for me.

[potent perch]

I see what the issue is, but I'm not 100% sure on the fix.

There is Sunfire (414689) and Sunfire (414684) and it's using the later.

[ripe sapphire]

I tried that sort of

but i didnt type it out like that

one sec

[potent perch]

Quick Google it doesn't look like you can cast by SpellID.

[ripe sapphire]

Sadly i tihnk blizzard doesnt want us spellIDing :(

yeah

[potent perch]

lol

Having 2 different spells with the same name. Genius.

I figured out how to do it in ELV UI.

I'm sure there is a way in default WoW.

It's kind of a dumb fix.

/equip Void-Touched Leather Gloves
/click ElvUI_Bar3Button8

You use the Click to point to feral form version of Sunfire.

[shy lake]

I think what you need is a [known] condition which doesn’t exist in classic api

[ripe sapphire]

But then I have to do ELV UI and i ve never used it before :(

[ripe sapphire]

yeah, or lbizzard could just seperate the names with (feral) or even (cat/bear) and/or give us spell id reee

[potent perch]

I just don't know how to point to other action bars with default WoW.

/equip Void-Touched Leather Gloves
/click ActionButton6

That will use the Sunfire you have bound in the 6th slot of the default bar.

(Which will technically read as Moonfire since you'll be out of form -- it will change to Sunfire when you shift to form)

Just tested it in game and it works.

And doesn't pull me out of form.

Actually, you can use "/script print(GetMouseFocus():GetName())" to find the name of button location. Drag the Feral Sunfire onto the bar, and then use this macro to identify that button location.

Once you have the location, just add it to macro like:

/equip Void-Touched Leather Gloves
/click MultiBarBottomLeftButton6

[ripe sapphire]

oh wait

I tihnk i see what umean

WHOA

Thank you dude

whow

[potent perch]

❤️

[ripe sapphire]

LOL you would not believe

It actually still has the issue of converting back to moonform if i dont have sunfire rune

[potent perch]

Are you equiping the gloves first?

Or are you talking about when you're already in combat?

[ripe sapphire]

While in combat with sunfire rune not equipped, yes

Because if i get stunned or something and they run

I want to cast asap so id like to spam but mayhaps i just settle for waiting for out of combat to go

And the thing is.... I dragged the sunfire OUT of balance, not the 'runes' because the rune spell is mana only, where as the feral version is placed into the balance section of spell book, actually crazy

I found a solution though because of you!

[potent perch]

Is it just adding [combat] or something? lol

[ripe sapphire]

I chose to use the click script on my spellbook

The point of the macro is to kite

[potent perch]

Haha.

[ripe sapphire]

so as long as im moving, it wont break cat form to use starfire which is the same button WHILE the rune is unequipped

so i use the movement to lock myself to sunfire only

nah the combat condition makes me unable to use out of combat or viceversa

[potent perch]

So silly that a convoluted work around is the only way to make this work. lol

[ripe sapphire]

i mean, I am trying to abuse gear swapping xD

kinda lame tbh id rather not be able to xD

My rogue friend found his sabreslash has a 30second cooldown now when he equips his rune on rogue, so he cant do the shadowstrike -> equip gloves little thing they were doing

Sadly this doesnt work :(

#showtooltip EngravingFrameScrollFrameButton9
/click SpellButton10
/equip Forest Leather Gloves

tried using the script again, sigh, no way to show its sunfire until its actually going

so its an ugly question mark

[potent perch]

Yeah. The SpellButton changes. 😦

/castsequence reset = 1
/equip Void-Touched Leather Gloves
/click SpellButton4

Have you tried something like that?

What do you want the button to do if you don't have the rune attached?

The above will break on the equip and never get to the click (when in combat)

So it won't pull you out of form.

As soon as you're out of combat it will equip your gloves and sunfire.

[ripe sapphire]

Didnt work for me

[potent perch]

Are you equiping the gloves first? Just confirming since you're previous macro had the gloves equipped second.

[ripe sapphire]

yeah i was using this

Im not that gone xD

It felt like the castsequence just didnt actually do anything

I dont know what that acutally does but if its on a tick or something?

[red pulsar]

Anyone got a simple rotation/prio guide for raid feral dps in sod

[prisma pulsar]

Any SoD Balance players can help me with something?

I'm trying to figure out if Starsurging on CD is actually the best idea because it keeps the mana-5 rule always true, so I'm never regaining mana efficiently.. Do we have any other viable builds that are more mana friendly? I'm currently level 22, so maybe my issues will go away with better gear on lvl 25?

[rigid crow]

SOD feral talents, best build is to play clearcasting with 5 in ferocity or 5 in furor?

[copper sedge]

does anyone know the spell power scaling of starsurge it isnt listed on wowhead like all other SOD spells

[noble forge]

Might be able to change the autounshift similar to the retail regrowth macro

[ripe sapphire]

oh i see, I do not know how i would turn the autounshift off but i will look into it. It barely crossed my mind cause i figured it wouldn't be a thing it feels very blizzard to restrict things ever so annoyingly

[shy lake]

Furor for DPS

[shy lake]

1:1

[harsh spruce]

I just hit level 20 and got Cat form. I pretty much only have two buttons to hit: mangle and savage roar.
Am I doing anything wrong? It feels weak and impossible to heal myself with two guys on me because I run out of mana.

[shy lake]

No that’s pretty normal. You should burn through targets pretty fast. I prefer sunfire for leveling though as it makes pulls easier

[harsh spruce]

Ok I'll try that, thanks!

[noble forge]

Not entirely sure what they restrict could just swap mangle and sunfire if you swap gloves too not like that's really something you need to swap a lot, or have those 2 bound by themselves cause you don't use many keybinds in this stage of classic

[keen meadow]

Just do wrath, starsurge,wrath,wrath,wrath,starsurge heal next mob. You'l never want for a drink or foodbreak. Its pretty smooth while lvling

[hard sail]

hey guys. What would be the best dps feral talent tree? 11/0/5 or 0/16/0 ?

having a tough time with my dmg during raids

[keen meadow]

11/0/5

[ripe sapphire]

I mean I get what ur saying, but I do actually use a crap ton of binds on druid even at 25

[noble forge]

I think in cat

I have like 5 binds

maybe like + 3 with powershift + bear + remove cat

[wicked karma]

Dunno if its well known by now but after the starsurge buff it is worth getting it at low lvl. Got my friend to help me when i was level 1 and i have been almost oneshotting all mobs from 1-10 and the 10-20 experience was extremely easy as well. It felt like i was playing retail.

[spark atlas]

anyone have any wa's for feral in sod?

[neat ginkgo]

Hey guys! How to get better parse as resto druid? ICC25 man HC

[tacit sedge]

Pay the other healers off

[narrow dust]

are my quest objectives supposed to look that big

[harsh cliff]

does wild strikes only apply to your immediate party? not the entrire 10 man raid?

[blissful gorge]

party

for those wondering how to take em to the next lvl in dps. there's more you can do. but the three main things you can do right now is have a cancleform macro. 5 points in furor. and a weakaura that tells you how many powershifts you have available via mana. you cast a mangle. then savage roar. then you cancel cat form. recast it. get a tick of energy. shred n repeat

this is why people take furor

once you no longer have mana. you only shred when you get a clearcsst proc ala omen of clarity.

[chilly epoch]

Sup Cats. Does the blackfathom buff add to feline swiftness or nah?

In season of discovery

[chrome valley]

∞ H/
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[spark atlas]

does anyone have any weakauras for sod?

[noble forge]

Likely

[blissful gorge]

the one I use seems to be missing from weakaura now but basically you want to search for savage roar, omen of clarity, druid mana bar, and some sorta power shifting one

[blissful gorge]

this is the export i have

[spark atlas]

thanks so much man

[blissful gorge]

left to right. is number of shifts available. energy. and omen of clarity buff duration. it tracks savage roar, and probably some other stuff. idk im not the creator of it

druid mana bar is a diff weakaura. could just be found online

[blissful gorge]

has anyone tested whether mousover macros for mangle n Sunfire don't drop combo points? I know for rogue if I have a mouse over macro for kick and kick something not my main target I don't lose points

[noble forge]

should work but why

you wouldnt generate combo points

even if it works

[blissful gorge]

dropping 4 combo points to hit a lightning totem on 5th boss isn't fun

my group has a fair amount of pumpers and I find it hard to even get a Rip on a boss in BFD

do people even rip? or is everyone just using savage roar, shred n mangle?

[hushed river]

can often rip if you get a couple clearcasting procs

and/or powershift

I usually do a quick roar, long roar, then have plenty time to rip before needing to refresh roar

[blissful gorge]

word. after looking at people's logs it seems I shred too much

[vivid ore]

any Feral DPS here in SOD?

[warm verge]

Anyone know if we are gonna still powershift in phase 2 or will we reach for leader of the pack?

[noble forge]

what items and runes are we going to have?

[warm verge]

No idea really, just sort of speculation at this point

[noble forge]

prolly better idea to ask specifics like that when you know that

[shy lake]

there is no way lotp will overtake furor. furor is a disgusting amount of damage for 5 pts

[noble forge]

dunno if warriors for example would get even stronger

[shy lake]

3% crit is not a lot

Warriors for sure will only get stronger. The class is fundamentally broken in classic

[noble forge]

imo thinking of it as 3% isnt really fair thinking of it as 15% is imo a lot more realistic

its very possible that furor is the move

[stark hearth]

is the trident in BFD better than smites hammer?

[blissful gorge]

for druid? there's no polearms in classic for druid

[stark hearth]

oh lol

[south dock]

anyone try the arcane or nature damage boomie build?

[nocturne shard]

are we supposed to like swap into human or bear and back to cat to keep getting the 40 energy?

still new to druid so no clue what u guys mean with powershifting besides just taking furor talent

[ripe sapphire]

Yeah, its drastically faster than waiting for energy ticks. You ideally set up a powershift macro that removes cat and then returns u to cat

[nocturne shard]

Ooooooh

[ripe sapphire]

Actually you can 'cast cat form' while in cat form and it removes it which allows for a spammable macro like this: one second switching to pc

[nocturne shard]

Okay wtf that feels op yeah

[ripe sapphire]

#showtooltip
/cast [form:3]Cat Form
/cast [noform:3] Cat Form

im sure there are other ways to write this, but its w/e, for me when I use this it ONLY takes me out of cat if my GCD is available which is important because leaving cat when you are OFF GCD means you might auto in human form

and autoing in human is bad

[nocturne shard]

Oh nice, thank you

[ripe sapphire]

oh and if it works while GCD id down then you might just end up in human form and waste mana

[nocturne shard]

I dont need my normal shapeshift anymore with this right?

[ripe sapphire]

Pretty much no, this takes you INTO cat from human or from cat to cat

[nocturne shard]

Oh so not from bear

[ripe sapphire]

and u can use it from bear/travel

[nocturne shard]

oh it does

okay cool thanks!

[ripe sapphire]

But its not the macro that allows you to use it from bear

Its the change from classic where the game autoshifts you now or something along those lines

[nocturne shard]

Ait ait

Hopefully I can compete with rogues more now

always 2nd 😦

[ripe sapphire]

If ur 2nd in ur raids and not by a large margin, this is a big deal. One thing I do personally though, I name my macro the mana cost of cat form

Helps me remind myself to NOT go below 263 ever if im powershifting

[nocturne shard]

Oh that's a good idea yeah!

[ripe sapphire]

the last thing, if you ever decide you want to use mana potions or any consume during raid you can use this same idea and just slip the /use potion line in there.

If you wanna make sure it works you can test with any other potion(like a cheap one) but make sure you change the line back to the potion you raid with
#showtooltip Mana Potion
/cast [form:3] Cat Form
/use Mana Potion
/cast [noform:3] Cat Form

Obviously you can do it with any consume too

[noble forge]

For pure powershifting can just use /cast !cat form

I have that bound in addition to normal cat form in case I want to leave form

[shy lake]

/cast !cat form
is all you need

I have a separate one for dropping all forms. useful for evading hibernates / flash bombs
/cancelform

[nocturne shard]

ty :)))

[shy lake]

most feral/druid WA's just have a counter for remaining shifts

[ripe sapphire]

WeakAura's is the part of everything that I am always confused about. But ty didnt know that at all.

I used a few in classic, havent used one since

[nocturne shard]

yeah it never works like I want it to but mb cause of the runes

[toxic merlin]

If anything you will powershift more becaues we also have acces to wolfshead helm

[half furnace]

I could see the meta being more of a feral tank with LoTP and cats opting for furor. Hopefully we get a dual spec or something so folks can flex

[dim drift]

Yo laceration buff any good?

[zenith verge]

Hey guys, how much worse is going down the feral tree instead of Omen of Clarity spec in SOD? I hate not having Feral Swiftness...

[ripe sapphire]

During this phase? PvE build is full avoid feral spec for feral dps and next phase will very likely be similar

PvP u can go for the MS as preference but shifting still is good and useful. I like the MS for Sunfire kite cringe, but PvE spec has more energy still so idk just have fun in PvP

[zenith verge]

What about if I want to tank?

[noble forge]

probably something in the ballpart of 15-20% less damage

is my guess

[noble forge]

think for tank technically 10/6/0 is best

cause omen is very mid for both cat or bear

[floral sparrow]

wait powershifting is a thing? that's shifting out and in, in a single gcd right?

[noble forge]

yes

[floral sparrow]

I though that wasn't a thing anymore? although tbh last time I played feral was like 7 years ago

oh, I'm in the classic channel

💀

[noble forge]

[floral sparrow]

that's a classic tbh

[noble forge]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

classic

[faint ridge]

Best druid content creator ?

Looking for guides etc for sod

[dusk flint]

If you mouse over sunfire on a different target do you lose combo on current?

[dusk flint]

Whelp doesnt matter because I cant get a mouse over to work kitty fire anyways

[noble forge]

/cast [@mouseover] Moonfire(Rank 1)

should be it

or maybe moon fire

dont remember

[dusk flint]

Did u test this? I've tested a few MOUSEOVERS and none of them work for Kittyfire. To be clear. I have no issue getting kittyfire to work in feral if I hard target, it works fine. If you've tried a mouse over for it and it works please post. I tried all morning and I'm at work now

[stark spoke]

When power shifting is it better to hit shred with the 60 or back to mangle and just use shred on clearcast proc?

[shy lake]

Only shred on OOC

[noble forge]

I actually went in and tried

did you even try what I posted?

works just fine

which is what I fucking posted

[dusk flint]

Thank you sir! Much appreciated

Whoa, why so angry?

I explained I am at work...

[hushed river]

@stark spoke only shred with clearcasting, yeah 🙂 The powershift just gets you extra mangles

[dusk flint]

Lulz, I get home and try your macro. LULZ. THATS ALL...LULZ.

[noble forge]

[dusk flint]

That ez

Thank you

For wasting my time 😊

[noble forge]

im so confused

[dusk flint]

What about? Your macro does not work. It does not cast sunfire as a mouseover. It actually doesnt cast sunfire even if I hard target.

[noble forge]

yes that macro works

and yes it casts as mouseover

[dusk flint]

Zzzz. We are playing 2 different games

Why dont you jump in Discord and share your screen of it working?

Or I will and I will show you your macro NOT WORKING

[noble forge]

dont think I care enough

I know it works

[dusk flint]

Sure.

[shy lake]

I love when people come to ask for help and then just act like entitled assholes about the whole thing

[lilac haven]

Is there a weakaura or something that tracks Idol progress( how many pets Ive healed, or how many instances of bleed I have)?

[final garnet]

you have a buff

number of stacks on the buff = number of things you've done (healed pets etc, btw for that one you can heal druids in cat/bear/aquatic :P)

[lilac haven]

ok didnt know what buff was for, Does the progression of the idol reset if you unequip it?..looks like yes.

[shy lake]

Yes, same if you die

For the heal one, just go to a town / hub and heal pets, Druid forms and ghost wolves

Just r1 HT a bunch of stuff and you’re done

[hushed river]

does overhealing count? If not just rejuv then MotW 🙂

[shy lake]

I know people had issues with rejuv

[distant quail]

how is all

[shy lake]

[keen meadow]

Lifebloom a pet/druid in form > cast motw so they gain a few hp. It auto heals and works 100%

[noble forge]

or cast regrowth

[keen meadow]

Yeah but the tick can be off. Lifebloom heals every sec

[noble forge]

wait you get multiple proccs?

or you mean after motw?

cause with regrowth you dont need to motw

[keen meadow]

You motw so they jump in hp, how are u gonna heal them if they are afk and full hp

[fossil elbow]

What do you guys think is better for resto in bfd, Seal of Wrynn or Deep Fathom Ring?

[noble forge]

By pressing regrowth

Maybe they changed that, but I doubt it it worked on like day 3 of releasr

[keen meadow]

Yeaah u actually have to heal, lol. If some1 is full hp regrowth wont help. Hence u buff with stamina first

[noble forge]

I have my doubts that they changed that but sure if they did you have to mark

as I said early on you didnt need to

[keen meadow]

Nice, i had to. Didnt give me stack if i just healed

[shy lake]

I leveld my druid a week after and HT worked even if it was all overhealing. RG probably works too since it has an instant component. I don't believe HoTs work unless they actually heal

[young latch]

Lol yall are overcomplecating it

Just go to a main city

And heal all the ppls pets

The main cities are packed

Even at full health it works

[shy lake]

but with what spell

[young latch]

Anything not rejuiv

It all counts

[shy lake]

that was the entire point

[young latch]

Like just ht or regrowth

All the pets in stormwind or org

On a different note tho I'm enjoying cat heaps

Did a couple dungeons and am excited to get rake soon

I'm lvl 21

[shy lake]

don't even waste the gold

the good news is that if you enjoy cat now, you'll enjoy it late game as nothing changes besides maybe better mana

[young latch]

Don't waste the gold on rake ?

Why not

[shy lake]

the button is not worth pressing

the damage per energy for it is awful

[rough flint]

you dont use rake ever

[keen meadow]

so the question i'm still stuck with is, what does sunfire scale with. does it benefit from moonfire talents? does it scale with ap/str in bear form? How will it scale in moonkin form.

[shy lake]

Talents yes
AP in bear/cat
SP in caster/moonkin

[carmine ridge]

Is the feral experience much different from classic to SoD?

Just levelled in hardcore to 30 and want to play one in SoD. Am I going to be bored to tears?

[mint geyser]

It’s exactly the same other than runes

[shy lake]

Basically the exact same. You just spend combo points on savage roar now and are more desirable for groups since you bring WF

[wind mauve]

I sunfire rake rip in pvp then sunfire spam lol

[mild rune]

is this a place to ask any SoD questions or only classic?

ill give it a go anyway. i have finished the quest heading the call for bear form and i did not recieve bear form, i do not have it in my spellbook nor do i have it on the trainers skills to train. am i missing something?

[noble forge]

yes the quests to get bear form

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/quest=5923/heeding-the-call

[mild rune]

@noble forge so i have completed that and i still do not have bear form. i never went to moonglade iether but whe ni ran the command /run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(5923)) to check for the quest being completed it says i have completed it

[noble forge]

okay so?

that means you are on the moonglade part

heeding the call does not give you bear form

finishing the questline does

[mild rune]

okay ill look into wehere the next quest giver is because i dont have any follow up from that i might have smissed a step

thank you

[noble forge]

the place you turned in heeding the call

which is trainer in darnassus/thunderbluff

[mild rune]

@noble forge thank you much for that push in the right direction. much appreciated

[tropic sigil]

What’s the sod feral pvp spec that is best for wpvp / 1v1s (that don’t involve starsurge)

[zinc granite]

is it possible to macro the epic gloves to equip and unnequip the boots at the same time

i wanna run the black fingerless gloves over the epic but still wanna pop the active effect in the hotbar

[lone vigil]

I'm excited to see what they do with Balance spec

I know the pvp mains are crying about starsurge but even that's not enough in pve.

[shy lake]

Balancing casters in classic is a nightmare because they are already crazy strong in pvp

[lone vigil]

they have the tech to balance individually, they already slapped a -25% on everything for pvp

[calm ridge]

does classic era have pandemic on dots etc?

[noble forge]

no

[neon raptor]

Do you guys think the survival of the fittest rune will be more expensive next phase?

[calm ridge]

do bleeds snapshot on classic?

[noble forge]

yes

everything does

[calm ridge]

oki

thank you

[shy lake]

The mats are “expensive” because the mobs are relatively hard to kill. You can kill lvl30 mobs very easily at 40

Engineering thing might be the only thing to go up in price if less people are farming lower ore

[young latch]

i am sorting it out today

the shredder thing is the only thing left to do and i hope for good rng

[calm ridge]

is there a bleedpower wa for classic?

[final garnet]

its not too bad. I did it with a friend and took us maybe 3-4 hours to get the 32 we needed, and that also included killing any horde on sight and some trips to darnassus to get more eng items to harvest the shredders lol

[young latch]

Ya I'm glad I did it

Only rune I really want now is skull bash

And I will get that eventually just gotta hand in more crates

[final garnet]

We found a nice spot, north east of Redridge, there are murlocs near the lake (north part), really fast respawn and almost no one was there

[mystic carbon]

Anyone know of a good place for theorycraft discussion looking forward at Phase 2?

[tall fulcrum]

What do you guys this Feral Tree will look like next phase? Do you think we will go for LOTP or furor and omen still?

[noble forge]

doubt you get omen

prolly furor

[tall fulcrum]

I wonder if Furor will be better than LOTP Crit buff for everyone

[dusk fractal]

Any one got a nice balance Druid PvP build?

[wraith relic]

#pvp

[dusk fractal]

Is this channel for classic SOD pvp too?

[harsh cliff]

did something happen on classic, I do not see any energy tick trackers working anymore

[obsidian dove]

hey guys I have a question. two days ago this macro worked to get from any form instantly into cat and prowl. now it doesnt work anymore. what is wrongn with it?
/cast [noform:2] !cat form
/cast [form:2] Prowl

basically i wanted this macro:
go from any form into prowl with one button. if I press the button again I go out of prowl but not out of cat

[keen meadow]

The exclamation mark before cat form is the problem.

[keen meadow]

Basically if you are in cat form and do /cast cat form, it will get you of out cat for.

If you do /cast !cat form it will get you out and back in instantly.

Just remove the ' ! '

[noble forge]

what is happening if you press it?

[obsidian dove]

that would cost mana tho. which I'm trying not to do

[obsidian dove]

richt now it only gets me into cat form but doesn't cast prowl anymore

if I am in cat form it just get's me out and back instantly

[noble forge]

did you learn aquatic form?

[obsidian dove]

but like I mentioned... 2 days ago it worked perfectly fine lol. which confuses the fck out of me

[obsidian dove]

i did in the meantime

[noble forge]

yes cat form isnt 2

[obsidian dove]

ooooh

[noble forge]

it getting you out of cat

is weird tho

[obsidian dove]

so it was form 2 when I didn't have aquatic.

and now its form 3? or what number exactly

[noble forge]

yes

should be 3 could count

[obsidian dove]

👍 I'll try that when I get on

[noble forge]

have to say though im a bit suspicious of the fact that you left cat form before

that should not have happened

it shoulda powershifted

[obsidian dove]

i'll go test again 🙂 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wispy heron]

hwo do i know that omen of clarity procs?

[noble forge]

its a buff

also sound

[shy lake]

It’s also a buff you have to actively put up every 10 minutes

[small axle]

hey does anyone have a gear set addon they like? i bounce between all three specs and have so much stuff now lol

[lucid tiger]

Hello, is there any good theorycrafting site for Balance in SoD?

[mental crystal]

probably not

[wheat slate]

is anyone else having problems with SImCraft?

not responding at all

[tacit sedge]

My Sims keep getting stuck in the pool when I delete the ladder, same issue

[undone sierra]

Who else is hopeful that blizzard will add personal combo points in SOD? I am crossing my fingers. Would be so coool!

[twin agate]

[mental crystal]

it's fun to pretend

[noble forge]

No one

[celest wasp]

Lost epic staff in sod. Had to delete the druid

Time to roll priest

[noble forge]

very reasonable choice

[agile pier]

You get clearcasting buff

[celest wasp]

‘‘Twas the lords will I guess. Resto/balance is worthless without that staff. At least holy/shadow priest gonna be broken next phase without staff

[noble forge]

yea and if you lose it once cant ever get it

[celest wasp]

Real and true

Been at it since it opened first one I’ve seen

No shot it shows up and I win before phase 2

[ionic pasture]

Hey does anyone know the main difference from wild strikes and windfury? Which one will scale better?

[fossil berry]

It’s my understanding that wilde strikes is a % based and will scale well while windfury is a flat AP gain and is likely better early and won’t scale as well.

I’m running the standard feral 11-0-5 build for pve. Anyone know a good way to test how much loss a build like 0-12-4 would be (sorta a pvp/pve hybrid with an 80% chance power shift lol).

[agile basin]

wild strikes has scaling, WF does not, just flat AP based on spellrank.

Which one will be better depends on your AP, and the spell rank of wind fury. If 20% of your AP is greater than the flat bonus from the best rank of wind fury available, then wild strikes is better, otherwise worse.

[uncut fog]

does anyone know if sunfire scales off of AP or SP while in cat form on SoD? i've been contemplating if it would be better to run sunfire for the second boss in BFD since he's more prone to spell damage

[shy lake]

AP in cat/bear

[fossil tundra]

can you have a sharpening stone on and windfury as a cat?

[dusk fractal]

No

[stable plaza]

does anyone know if they buffed Lord Cobrahn in WC? I have way better gear than the people in the guides, and I'm getting destroyed on druid

[noble forge]

highly doubt it

[stable plaza]

I'm so confused why I'm getting so destroyed

like, he hit's me way harder than the dude in this guide I found

[shy lake]

@dusk fractal yes you can use BFD stone and WF, you will get a warning but it still works. It’s been extensively tested

[shy lake]

Go bear for cobra phase. That’s about all there is to it.

[noble forge]

and there is a pat you gotta be a bit careful about

at least I had to be with somewhat shit gear

[severe lagoon]

Anyone running melee boomkin in sod or is it still low key unknown?

[ripe sapphire]

Yes, as for if the Sharpening Stone even works in cat/bear no clus, but the Wild Strikes applies differently to the druid who has the rune on. It works with form directly even if not active on weapon.

[faint trail]

Is there a best talent build for the hybrid balance/healer build

[shy lake]

16/0/0

Heal talents don’t do anything

[severe lagoon]

naw insect swarm is the best skill in the game for druid the youtubers just havent spilled the beans

6% hit cap at 25 dropped to 4% makes dual wielders basically cease to exist and hurts hunters/warriors pretty bad too

you can melee fight a warrior with DS if you have insect swarm

Youre all welcome

[uneven root]

have we established is furor ir better or ferocity for SoD?

[proper maple]

for druids wildstrikes only procs extra white attacks or mauls is that correct? ie no extra mangles or swipes?

bit fuzzy on exactly how it works

[shy lake]

Furor is better by a lot

[shy lake]

Only whites off whites

[gusty wagon]

Hey, I still have these Magical Pumpkin Seeds and I keep reading conflicting information. Wowhead says it's related to Lacerate rune, but that doesn't seem to be right with other info out there. Then a user above mentioned it was something to do with maybe a companion. Does anyone have first hand experience witht this?

[silent remnant]

Anyone have a good working weakaura for feral clearcasting procs on SoD? The ones i've found aren't seeming to work

[silent remnant]

It's for the Lacerate rune. You have to get two other items, soil and something from the crabs, and you combine them for lacerate rune.

[gusty wagon]

Is this for Alliance then? Because I already have lacerate and I’m on horde.

[silent remnant]

Mine was on alliance yes, but it's possible it still drops if you already have it and just does nothing

[gusty wagon]

Yeah ok. Thank you.

[lone vigil]

Starsurge scales stupidly well with SP doesn't it

[shy lake]

1:1

[gentle jolt]

That's pretty good for an instant cast isn't it? I thought most spells scaled based on cast time, up to 1:1 at 3.5 seconds base cast time

[shy lake]

Yes, it is an outlier for instant coefficients

[mighty narwhal]

is it an outlier? flame blast for mages is 1:1

fire blast? idk my brain is off

(the range, cd, and mana cost are definitely the outlier part)

[noble forge]

what spell you talking about? https://www.wowhead.com/classic/spell=10199/fire-blast has a 0.429 scaling

[mighty narwhal]

ah idk where i heard other spells were 1:1

starsurge gonna get hard nerfed next phase probably then eh

as long as its better than the initial version

[noble forge]

usually how classic worked was that you had 1 to 1 scaling at 3.5s base cast time

and proportionally to that lower casttime got reduced with instants being 1.5 base cast time

at least for normal spells, dots are different but dont know offhand how those work

[lone vigil]

I think it's 12s dot for 1:1

[stable plaza]

new to SoD feral here. Do I care about Rake and Tiger's Fury? are they part of the rotation?

[twin agate]

You can tf while running in to boss fight. Otherwise ignore it.

Rake is pretty much ignored too. I throw it up on turtle boss to help break bubble faster but it's kinda whatever

[shy lake]

Both are a waste of gold. May change with future runes

You can pre-cast TF for like 1s of extra damage but it’s more likely that you fuck it up or have other stuff to work on

[neon musk]

6

[cunning spear]

bumping this, i have a WA that shows a timer bar for it but I want something to yell at me so I don't accidentally mangle before realizing it's procced

[noble forge]

dunno isnt it really easy just check if you have the clearcasting buff?

I mean with a weakaura just make one yourself sounds very simple

[supple escarp]

How are druids aoe pulling emeraldon tree warders out of their chained 3 mobs in ashenvale?

[keen meadow]

hows are lvl 40 talents gonna look like

[shy lake]

Depends on runes

[red pulsar]

Can we use sharpening stone on our weapons? Or does wild strikes not work if I do that?

[shy lake]

You can use the BFD stone but not any other stone

[red pulsar]

Tyty

[shy lake]

Other stones provide no benefit. BFD stone provides the stated boost. It will give a warning but we actually get the WF effect from the aura, not the weapon enchant

[brittle marsh]

Is there any info about macros used for Melee-kin? Or is it as simple as
/startattack
/cast sunfire
etc..
I heard about it but wanted to make sure i was going into BFD prepared. I have a 1.4 hones stiletto for it atm

[rain lantern]

I'm feeling kinda dumb but wanna know, why does mangle only do like 130 damage when I have 545 attack power?

[quasi ore]

So for SoD resto druid PvP, what do you guys think is better, the WSG reputation cloak or the honor rank 3 cloak?

[shy lake]

Sergeant, int/stam is largely all you care about

[ripe sapphire]

More health and mana is better when thats usually the deciding factor on if you can cast a heal.

[ripe sapphire]

When ur in cat form your attack power gets scrunched down because your attack speed is normalized to base 1.00 attacks per second

[ripe sapphire]

i dont have the exact numbers but if i gain 50 AP i get like 5 damage on my weapon, which is my cat form paw. THEN mangle deals 300% of that

so when I have 1150~ish AP in raid, my mangle does 280 or so

[rain lantern]

Ah I see. So it’s doing 300% of the cat paw number, that makes sense. Thanks for the info

[lyric ferry]

So for feral lvl 40 talents. I'm assuming wolfshead helm furor, and omen of clarity with rest in feral is going to be better than deep feral even with heart of the wild, leader of the pack, and the extra combo point from crits right?

[noble forge]

What items and runes will we have and use?

How strong will other melees be

[shy lake]

Exact talents will depend on runes. LotP is unlikely to be worth it unless you suck compared to the rest of your DPS. We don’t know if we will have Wolfshead. We don’t know what runes we get. A LotP dependent rune may make it worth taking

[sleek island]

Do you guys think that balance druid will be higher on the dps meters next phase of SoD? I really wanna do balance but right now its not in a very good spot, and a lot of the bis gear is cloth which kinda ruins the class fantasy for me

I'm not sure if that changes in the future, but I hope it does

[noble forge]

not using cloth id say VERY unlikely

[shy lake]

Impossible to tell without runes. Balance is missing quite a bit of scaling compared to other classes before runes

[alpine hawk]

Right now I'm playing Balance as a hybrid dps/healer similar to Arcane mage. It'll be a shame if runes dont push balance DPS higher in p2, because boomkin form locks you out of resto spells and this offheal spec will get kinda shut down

[shy lake]

It won't be shut down, you just would start in moonkin form and then never go back once you need to cast a heal. It is quite literally only 3% crit in a pve setting.

[sleek island]

I never understood boomkin form. All it doesnis give you crit, right?

Crit and armor

But isnt armor useless as a balance druid?

[alpine hawk]

yeah IDK i hope there's a rune that buffs it

some added stats/spellpower and the ability to cast resto spells as well would be nice

[sleek island]

I hope so too. I wanna play balance druid so badly

My guild already has like 4-5 druids and they're all resto/feral

Balance isn't complete shit. Apparently shaman is still worse than it

But I hope it improves a lot