But in terms of raid it is not fun
#offtopic
barren gazelle
Ulduar especially was painful
I'm rn mostly waiting for cata hoping they release it since people talk well about cata raids
barren gazelle
I know people bash on it a lot bcs of all the changes it brought
light pilot
well Paragon with all Feral raid was so funny
barren gazelle
But my friends that played it originally said the raids were great except one
I only started playing in the end of classic so I'm a bit new to wow still
light pilot
dragon soul suck
barren gazelle
dragon soul suck
I think it was that one
light pilot
yep
obtuse dawn
What made Wotlk so fun was the idea of the unknown, Arthas was such a great tragic character that we were all on the edge of our seats to see what shit he was gonna do next
Plus the expansion trailer was so epic with the voice over work
light pilot
also bcuz of WC3's lore hype
barren gazelle
Ye, missing on that original experience prolly made it way worse
obtuse dawn
also bcuz of WC3's lore hype
Yeah so much of this
I think blizzard missed the boat not doing a Warcraft 4 to have a self contained story imho
XIV succeeds in this because their story is very single player
light pilot
no need to make wc4 if the story wasnt out of the way
mist was like w/e moment about story
obtuse dawn
True
And now getting a WC4 would be so so off the mark from the original
I’m glad I got to experience vanilla and even classic, wow saved my life many times over from depression so I’m thankful for the time I got to spend with it
light pilot
I have no idea what they should start at this point when lore is so mess up
obtuse dawn
Yeah you really can’t other than a reboot?
That’s what FF did and it solved a lot. 😂
barren gazelle
I’m glad I got to experience vanilla and even classic, wow saved my life many ti...
I barely talked to people online now after wow I found a lot of friends and pop on discord to talk to people almost every day so at least in that its good
barren gazelle
Yeah you really can’t other than a reboot?
A lot of people say that they should branch the story using wotlk classic
But I don't think that would work
light pilot
I barely talked to people online now after wow I found a lot of friends and pop ...
I made a lot of friends at that time from yelling recruite ppl for raid
barren gazelle
obtuse dawn
It’s so difficult to say these days if wow is just bad or if we’re all just trying to chase that nostalgic moment of the unknown. When WoW launched it was in a new era of the internet so we were all kinda just figuring it out
Now we’ve seen it, until maybe some Star Trek augmented reality I don’t know if we’ll get that same sense of the unknown again
Of maybe both things are possible
barren gazelle
You can't really relive nostalgia with wow. People mentality today are way different
obtuse dawn
Yep agreed
barren gazelle
Classic was a better chance of Blizzard bringing new people to the game
light pilot
nah the game was fun, you just logged and play. no need complicated rotation to have fun.
barren gazelle
The problem with retail today is how complex it is
I tried getting to it but can't because of how complex the lore is, how many things are to know and to do
obtuse dawn
nah the game was fun, you just logged and play. no need complicated rotation to ...
I think twitch and or streaming added to the issue as well with streamers min/maxing and rushing to end game with everything. We didn’t have that back then. It truly rips the fun out of every new game release
barren gazelle
I think twitch and or streaming added to the issue as well with streamers min/ma...
Not even only the streamers, but the community itself, even pugs today are quite discriminative
obtuse dawn
I tried getting to it but can't because of how complex the lore is, how many thi...
I looked at S2 currency and upgrade system for mythics and thought “nah.”
pliant wolf
Can someone make me a yassified Roger Smith? Please uwu
light pilot
what is that?
pliant wolf
I feel like if you don’t know what I’m asking for then you can’t help me
obtuse dawn
Not even only the streamers, but the community itself, even pugs today are quite...
Oh totally but that’s due to seeing the most skilled players playing perfect and thinking every player needs to be the same ya know?
pliant wolf
It’s like the yassified Patrick star but it’s Roger instead
light pilot
still dont know
obtuse dawn
No fucking idea what you’re asking for so I’m out
barren gazelle
Ye, the streamers influence def increased that
obtuse dawn
Ye, the streamers influence def increased that
I remember classic beta was insanely fun because not all streamers got access. As soon as it opened up my god they stripped every damn piece of fun out of the experience for new players experiencing wow for the first time
Look at D4, same thing. Rush to end game, complain.
barren gazelle
I mean, i had fun. Like I said exploring outlands on tbcc was a great experience to me
obtuse dawn
Same
barren gazelle
But once you get to raiding is when it starts getting problematic
obtuse dawn
Private servers definitely made that worse
barren gazelle
That too
obtuse dawn
I always wonder what it woulda been like had there been no private servers and classic came out
barren gazelle
theres a lot of things that influence
obtuse dawn
Yeah true
barren gazelle
Include bad management by Blizzard
Some of the changes they do are ok, but some mess with how the game feels just to push you into that try hard group
sturdy field
i mean people were try-harding week 2 of classic, how is it blizzards fault lol
barren gazelle
Idk about classic
But the latest changes in lk are "you get gear faster to raid"
Skip content, buy a boost
Things like that, that appeal to people who are wanting that endgame content which I feel isn't wow strongest part
sturdy field
its always been that way even in the original, we recruited people to raid and we boosted them if they were behind in gear
obtuse dawn
A wild oxez has appeared.
sturdy field
endgame is literally wow's strongest part but I guess that's subjective
like take ffxiv vs wow. ff's endgame is pure garbage and the rest of the game is better than wow for the most part
obtuse dawn
like take ffxiv vs wow. ff's endgame is pure garbage and the rest of the game is...
I think it’s because it’s designed to stop playing at end game
Like the devs want you to go play other games and come back at the new storyline
barren gazelle
endgame is literally wow's strongest part but I guess that's subjective
I mean I assume endgame content = raid
sturdy field
wow's endgame is very accessible atm in dragonflight, my alt been running 3-4 dungeons a week and almost caught up to my main
barren gazelle
On TBC i liked the raids but LK the raids just feel weak
I mean, retail is a different game pretty much
obtuse dawn
wow's endgame is very accessible atm in dragonflight, my alt been running 3-4 du...
True I guess it’s like, do you like story? XIV. Do you enjoy endgame content that scales wit.h difficulty? WoW
light pilot
wow's endgame is very accessible atm in dragonflight, my alt been running 3-4 du...
but mid-game and endgame is not casual friendly
sturdy field
Like the devs want you to go play other games and come back at the new storyline
was comparing stuff like savage/extremes/ultimates to mythic raid / keys
barren gazelle
On that ok, retail may have a better endgame
obtuse dawn
Ah yeah true
barren gazelle
But were talking about classic
sturdy field
but mid-game and endgame is not casual friendly
what's mid-game
light pilot
farming gear
sturdy field
how is running 3-4 dungeons a week not casual
light pilot
and get in a guild
sturdy field
my main is 445 doing higher keys and mythic raid, my alt is 438 barely doing anything lol
light pilot
obtuse dawn
Fug. I need to go to work. See you guys, was nice talking
You too boo boo, have a good day!
Nice job @sturdy field you came in here and killed the convo you sexy son of a bitch
mental mortar
What an amazing set. I havent had a single transmog applies for months like this before. I still love it 😍
fierce meteor
This one on Worgen is priceless too
unreal scarab
my main is 445 doing higher keys and mythic raid, my alt is 438 barely doing any...
Bearly
unreal scarab
light pilot
unreal scarab
obsidian geyser
timid walrus
<:sadbear:271984075902812160>
Lake either implies you're the worst, or BAER is the best.
This will not end well.
obsidian geyser
well we could also be in the middle!
somber pumice
True I guess it’s like, do you like story? XIV. Do you enjoy endgame content tha...
FF14 story is all right but they literally shovel it down your throat by doing hundreds of (mostly) uninteresting quests
And you can't do much until you've vinished MSQs
Started playing FF14 with friends and lots of them stopped playing because of that
sturdy field
I skipped all of it to do the last raids in shadowbringers with people I play with, then re-did all of it with new-game+, there are options
but yeah MSQ isn't for everyone, a lot of it is "talk to this npc, watch 5min cutscene, talk to this person, go back there talk to this person, talk to that other person" QUEST COMPLETE
viscid swan
yea if you dont like the talking to people and the cutscenes it's not going to be an enjoyable experience for you
light pilot
When do you think we will see free-to-play WoW
I think a few next patches depend on how succesful trading post is
light pilot
that the future
unreal scarab
subscription is better
light pilot
i dont think ppl will pay sub to play game
then just hope they make a better quality game
unreal scarab
then just hope they make a better quality game
i would like an even better quality game, ye
somber pumice
yea if you dont like the talking to people and the cutscenes it's not going to b...
I mean, I do like this, SWTOR did this right by making it interactive, played Vanilla FF14 + First Expansion it sounded like a bad visual novel
barren gazelle
timid walrus
well we could also be in the middle!
@white carbon is bad enough at math that she will just use < instead of <= so it's indeed possible.
But if we're both in the middle.... What are we in the middle off?
versed timber
The middle
obsidian geyser
But if we're both in the middle.... What are we in the middle off?
the goodness of the people
timid walrus
the goodness of the people
BAER rather be in the middle of some BAERs
obsidian geyser
BAER rather be in the middle of some BAERs
BAERs are people
timid walrus
No, BAER is BAER
versed timber
BAERs are BAERs
timid walrus
unreal scarab
white carbon
<@237412116024393728> explain
BEING LITERAL AS FUCK
obsidian geyser
<@237412116024393728> is bad enough at math that she will just use < instead of ...
look at this amazing inforgraphic I did
we could be snuggly in the middle
and still have proper usage of >
unreal scarab
but baers and kitties are friends
obsidian geyser
but baers and kitties are friends
so are you saying BAER and me are shit?!
unreal scarab
?
obsidian geyser
i see how it is
white carbon
look at this amazing inforgraphic I did
yo I'm cooler than everyone nice
obsidian geyser
yeeea
obtuse dawn
FF14 story is all right but they literally shovel it down your throat by doing h...
Sooo like every MMO? 😂
ARR is by far the worst part of the MMO because of that, people forget when ARR came out those kind of quests were standard in MMOs
shy mesa
hello.
shy mesa
Thank you.
amber coral
white carbon
somber pumice
But if we're both in the middle.... What are we in the middle off?
Technically, if you're somewhere on an infinite line aren't you always in the middle ?
timid walrus
Technically, if you're somewhere on an infinite line aren't you always in the mi...
Depends on which infinite. The options between 0 and 1 are infinite, yet 0.99999999 is definitely not the middle
timid walrus
BEING LITERAL AS FUCK
At least BAER isn't illiterate
timid walrus
look at this amazing inforgraphic I did
white carbon
At least BAER isn't illiterate
IM NOT ILLITERATE
shy plover
there's always room in the Hilbert Hotel
somber pumice
Infinite makes my brain hurt, I'm dumb bear
Reminds me of those mind boggling levels in baba is you
unreal scarab
https://tenor.com/view/bear-lion-oh-my-gif-20657878
shy plover
🤝 
vestal stag
unreal scarab
https://tenor.com/view/bear-gif-18879542
vestal stag
<:heybear:705331455680839740>
vestal stag
<:heybear:705331455680839740>
unreal scarab
vestal stag
unreal scarab
somber pumice
versed timber
light pilot
white carbon
shy plover
twin plume
any idea how I can get into Shaman discord?
All links I find for Earthshrine discord are outdated
stuck elm
vestal stag
white carbon
<:heybear:705331455680839740>
vestal stag
<:heybear:705331455680839740>
light pilot
barren gazelle
hoary moss
somber pumice
timid walrus
glacial lava
versed timber
amber coral
light pilot
urban mountain
😈
vestal stag
<:heybear:705331455680839740>
unreal scarab
<:HeyCat:832555183825223680>
shy plover
<:HeyCat:832555183825223680>
light pilot
lilac frigate
unreal scarab
sharp lotus
shy plover
obsidian geyser
amber coral
terse vortex
Hey folks, are there any resources for still obtainable guardian / feral forms?
unreal scarab
https://tenor.com/view/bear-feed-food-spoon-gif-7909354
lilac frigate
amber coral
shy mesa
frosty imp
barren gazelle
unreal scarab
barren gazelle
shy mesa
lilac frigate
lunar mirage
barren gazelle
unreal scarab
amber coral
unreal scarab
barren gazelle
white carbon
versed timber
vestal stag
obtuse dawn
BG3 has bear sex scene
Hell ya, @unreal scarab will have new content to post
Excited for you Amance
unreal scarab
wot the
left crypt
Anyone know if +16's in Tuesday's vault will be upgradeable to 447, or is it only AFTER 10.1.5?
viscid swan
Anyone know if +16's in Tuesday's vault will be upgradeable to 447, or is it onl...
when 10.1.5 hits they will upgradeable... which is on tuesday 😄
unreal scarab
its retroactive
analog sedge
Guess who rolled in dead bird
unreal scarab
light pilot
DIEOFCRINGE
you can see male genital parts in the scene too
lol
In the modding community, they are actually able to implement these kinds of scenes in beta without official mod tools.
Time to re-learn my modding skills for the upcoming BG3 and Starfield.
amber coral
unreal scarab
clever temple
white carbon
timid walrus
amber coral
lilac frigate
light pilot
heavy coyote
mental crescent
@balmy current @white carbon @charred fractal @hoary moss
white carbon
<@456226577798135808> <@237412116024393728> <@357141245920804865> <@107318672262...
the 2nd one is me and my gf ^^
timid walrus
the 2nd one is me and my gf ^^
Your left or your right hand?
hoary moss
shy mesa
sprays the window Go away Zuck.
tepid lantern
that's funny cuz I updated my oculus quest 2 headset & got a Zuck jumpscare when his avatar was next to me in vr. I punched and punched but his screams only sounded like drywall breaking
dark grove
unreal scarab
barren gazelle
shy mesa
shy mesa
Bear is friend.
unreal scarab
unreal scarab
wtf
versed timber
shy mesa
The bears are doing weird things lately.
timid walrus
https://tenor.com/view/gif-pet-bear-girl-leaning-on-each-other-winter-gif-160816...
BAER good support!
timid walrus
Bear is friend. <:happybear:555713201879253023>
BAER always friend
pliant wolf
wtf
unreal scarab
BAER always friend
light pilot
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,q_60,w_1...
@unreal scarab secretly pre-order the game
unreal scarab
barren gazelle
shy mesa
light pilot
amber coral
timid walrus
shy plover
unreal scarab
light pilot
barren gazelle
heavy coyote
frosty imp
lunar mirage
obtuse dawn
<@466430846300323870> secretly pre-order the game
Oh you know it
light pilot
dont worry modders will make more of that
it was a taboo for some communities, someone even got ban for this kind of scene in the past.
now it is a green light
unreal scarab
obtuse dawn
it was a taboo for some communities, someone even got ban for this kind of scene...
Yeah it really is strange why they actually animated an entire scene for it.
I mean for people who always post bear meme's it works for them
shy mesa
That's MONKE 
light pilot
shy mesa
Cursive writing is hard. X)
Some of those look weird to me though.
out of all those, I would say the upper case B is the closest to mine own.
obsidian geyser
wait a second
thats
an o
but it was supposed to be a c
I just realized
there are like 10 os
unreal scarab
tepid lantern
out of all those, I would say the upper case B is the closest to mine own.
I'm trying to learn how to get all the letters in the style of the B
I'm working the letters until they are smooth & easy to write
digital galleon
I'm working the letters until they are smooth & easy to write
Im sorry but the A looks terrible :(
last ether
lilac frigate
light pilot
barren gazelle
last ether
unreal scarab
shy plover
unreal scarab
amber coral
scenic swift
unreal scarab
light pilot
unreal scarab
fierce meteor
light pilot
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1083666774953820190.gif?size=44&quality=lossle...
what is this?
lunar mirage
what is this?
light pilot
I cant see anything
lunar mirage
open ur eyes
light pilot
unreal scarab
unreal scarab
lunar mirage
amber coral
Me feel seen 
pliant wolf
First I was afraid I was petrified
unreal scarab
barren gazelle
amber coral
timid walrus
tepid lantern
Im sorry but the A looks terrible :(
What should I change
unreal scarab
light pilot
amber coral
tribal cosmos
white carbon
vestal stag
shy mesa
First I was afraid I was petrified
You were petried by the fire. 😄
pliant wolf
I literally -
somber minnow
Weird question on one of my characters when i open map the map its fullscreen but other characters its small?
digital galleon
What should I change
I would open the first loop on the bottom so that you still get the curved style and I would just get rid of the one for the middle line
digital galleon
Show me :)
last ether
heavy coyote
craggy narwhal
¯_(ツ)_/¯
barren gazelle
shy plover
last ether
shy plover
clever temple
light pilot
shy plover
in a way ppl destroying towers are helping create more towers
cause you cannot double post to a tower
if it's a new tower tho...
light pilot
versed timber
shy mesa
unreal scarab
shy plover
obtuse dawn
barren gazelle
unreal scarab
amber coral
loud vortex
timid walrus
shy mesa
unreal scarab
timid walrus
shy mesa
(This is still the same tower btw, just a new floor)
unreal scarab
timid walrus
shy mesa
light pilot
unreal scarab
viscid swan
timid walrus
frosty imp
unreal scarab
obtuse dawn
so Mircrosoft get Blizzard now
Time to see if MS improves WoW any
My prediction: nope.
shy mesa
obtuse dawn
They really don't need to honestly, there's enough WoW players that make excuses for it for it to be continually profitable
somber pumice
Time to see if MS improves WoW any
Everyone wants WoW to be improved and not 2 people agree on what "Improve" means
obtuse dawn
Everyone wants WoW to be improved and not 2 people agree on what "Improve" means
That's true. At this point I think they'd have to dump money to make a WoW 2.0 from scratch
Yeah
somber pumice
Anyway I'm playing Wasteland 3
shy plover
only thing that counts is to get rid of bobby boy 
obtuse dawn
And if they did make it from scratch people would want their characters etc transferred to WoW 2.0 which would bring in all sorts of issues
No one would want to start over
somber pumice
If you liked Divinity and are waiting for BG3 just try it out it's 7$ on Steam right now and the game is totally awesome
obtuse dawn
If you liked Divinity and are waiting for BG3 just try it out it's 7$ on Steam r...
Might try it out! I loved Divinity
Granted at this point I have XIV, XVI and D4 sooo
light pilot
free money just copy/paste old game
light pilot
😎
lunar mirage
Recycle old dungeons as m+ = revolutionary content
Yep
Environmentally friendly company
light pilot
Anyway I'm playing Wasteland 3
I just replayed DOS2
I still dont like wizard in this game
unreal scarab
light pilot
fierce meteor
Ideal size Baer*
somber pumice
Might try it out! I loved Divinity
Buy it now then, sale ends tomorrow iirc
unreal scarab
shy mesa
Buy it now then, sale ends tomorrow iirc
ends the 13th
Suspiciously, before France's national holiday. ^.-
shy mesa
fat baer
Bears need the fat. It's armor!
Against winter. 😦 And enemies!
How else are you gonna maul something to death if you're thin, too?
unreal scarab
lacking mastery its possible
these dont have much mastery
these do
both can defend
timid walrus
unreal scarab
shy plover
somber pumice
Suspiciously, before France's national holiday. ^.-
Thank God temperatures will be cooler than they currently are, I'm helping with the celebrations in 2 days
fierce meteor
unreal scarab
shy mesa
barren gazelle
versed timber
light pilot
obsidian geyser
clever temple
analog sedge
unreal scarab
Bear pvp
obtuse dawn
Recycle old dungeons as m+ = revolutionary content
I always come back for S1 to try out the new dungeons then I quit after because of this
If they introduced new dungeons every other patch or something I’d be down, but I’m not refarming the same gear for an ilvl increase
obtuse dawn
Buy it now then, sale ends tomorrow iirc
Looks like it’s on gamepass 👌
shy mesa
I see an intruder here.
tidal sedge
The fact that these trinkets alltogether are shit form most people just once again shows blizzard realllly sucks at making people wanna do new content without it being forced
vestal stag
light pilot
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/478001335829135360/1128428417138827425/F0...
Pigs
vapid dirge
anybody else getting these errors today and know what causes it? looking at the trace it doesn't appear to be obviously tied to an addon i'm using and references the blizzard rewards window
dark grove
Yeah i've been getting that all day
iron kraken
unreal scarab
doggo
light pilot
I cant bear super delusional level of xbox fanboys
About blizz
This is a curse, I tweet once about ff16 and then Ive seen a ton of xbox and ps5 tweets.
obtuse dawn
The fact that these trinkets alltogether are shit form most people just once aga...
Don’t worry you’ll be farming them again in 2 more seasons 😂
lunar mirage
He got that dawg in him
cursive dune
Anyone know the exploit that caused blizz to turn of M+ curious
light pilot
Off-topic is the worst place to ask about in-game contents
cursive dune
Sorry didn't know, assumed it was for non druid stuff
obtuse dawn
Anyone know the exploit that caused blizz to turn of M+ curious
Leaving a key counted as timing it, a lot of the 10 minute times keys were people just leaving runs after a wipe apparently
Small Microsoft indie company has a hard time finding good coders
amber coral
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/478001335829135360/1128428417138827425/F0...
Omg those are so cute!!!!!!!
(Cat included)
unreal scarab
timid walrus
unreal scarab
versed timber
white carbon
light pilot
unreal scarab
white carbon
shy plover
obsidian geyser
(Cat included)
I don't see no cat
timid walrus
I don't see no cat
gz on not do the cat
somber pumice
Looks like it’s on gamepass 👌
Lucky you ! I thought the OST was real good, turns out it's composed by Alexander Brandon (Deus Ex) and Mark Morgan (Fallout 1&2 among others)
Love that track, ambient music at its best
barren gazelle
light pilot
Not what I want
urban mountain
hippopilled
shy mesa
The people know what they want
digital galleon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/478001335829135360/1128428417138827425/F0...
@timid walrus
timid walrus
<@215914861627047936>
Third one is sus
digital galleon
Third one is sus
Want to be a BAER, cant fault it
obsidian geyser
Third one is sus
just cause hes brown?!
versed timber
timid walrus
just cause hes brown?!
no, that's the first one
unreal scarab
clever temple
shy mesa
shy plover
light pilot
amber coral
barren gazelle
tribal cosmos
frosty imp
covert charm
candid edge
nope
sturdy field
:(
timid walrus
barren gazelle
light pilot
versed timber
unreal scarab
fierce meteor
analog sedge
obsidian geyser
LOAF
river sedge
I'm currently trying make a macro that cast incap roar and then pressing the same keybind will get me back into moonkin form. is there a specific way to do that?
viscid swan
yes. on your primary bar in moonkin form, put incap roar. rewire it so that it's whatever key you want it to be on. then in your bear bar put moonkin form on that same button
there's probably a way to do it with macros too but icba
unreal scarab
shy plover
amber coral
lunar mirage
shy plover
light pilot
<:HUH:1115674347865129042>
digital galleon
Any WH40k fans, Im almost done with the Devastation of Baal book. Its so good I can only recommend it
digital galleon
shy plover
white carbon
yoooo a tower so cool
shy plover
cat
full gate
LMFAO
red mango
cat
digital galleon
goblin
lunar mirage
Lmao
spare dew
barren gazelle
unreal scarab
solid needle
no
versed timber
barren gazelle
somber pumice
barren gazelle
unreal scarab
tulip coral
obsidian geyser
10/10 loaf
vestal stag
clever temple
barren gazelle
white carbon
nice one kaed
obtuse dawn
I watch diligently, patrolling… making sure no towers are built. Like a silent Godzilla guardian.
Well until like 9pm then I sleep. Let one of you wonderful tower destroyers be the Zilla
white carbon
Well until like 9pm then I sleep. Let one of you wonderful tower destroyers be t...
when ur watch ends mine begins 
unreal scarab
https://tenor.com/view/cat-high-five-gif-23256134
amber coral
white carbon
shy plover
white carbon
unreal scarab
grizzled furnace
barren gazelle
lunar mirage
shy plover
undone stag
barren gazelle
last ether
white carbon
white carbon
Doin the Zilla work
zenith drift
Druid art is druid art!
https://twitter.com/denahelmi/status/1679530894728519683
slow sky
anyone knows an invisible dagger & offhand? or as close as possible
or a nice daggre that sheathes on the back
tepid lantern
unreal scarab
barren gazelle
light pilot
clever temple
amber coral
white carbon
light pilot
Blizzard Activision was bought by Microsoft.
Yes I told you 2 days ago
scenic swift
light pilot
From the record most of the companies that MS acquired, their franchises are dead.
So dw WoW is dead for sure
Check xbox new exclusive games, they literally have none except starfield which is most likely broken if you looked at their games record.
shy mesa
Yes I told you 2 days ago
Oh, sorry. 😦
obtuse dawn
So dw WoW is dead for sure
I meaaan at this point, other than a p2w cash shop, I don't think it can get much worse. The game has two end game functions, mythics and raids.. and neither of them are all that great anymore.
Story is crap. PvP is crap. Classes feel half baked. New talent trees feel like crap. I don't know what else MS could do to kill it more.
Dragon riding was the thing that saved this expansion, other than that there wasn't anything new that was all that exciting. Hell even the talent trees were an illusion of giving players spells they already had in previous expansions. 😄
light pilot
LoL true
obtuse dawn
I can say without a doubt unless WoW 2.0 comes out, I have zero plans of ever going back. This expansion finally killed my love of the game once and for all sadly.
If rumors end up being true that the next expansion is an old world revamp... Oooof.
obtuse dawn
Not at all. "We'll give you the ability to dragon ride on all mounts!"
Buuuut dragon riding gets really old after awhile.
Okay okay.. NEW TALENTS!.... that will be just rebooted old talents we took away!
You'll be able to play new races and classes though!...
light pilot
if they add new class next expansion, they shouldnt try hard to balance classes
waste of time for nothing
balance shift every tier that why
obtuse dawn
Yep. But everything they've put out in the last two to three expansions seem rather short sighted.. I don't think that trend is going to end because they've realized it's playerbase will make excuses for ANY shitty thing they do
light pilot
obtuse dawn
All good. With MS buying it like you said, it'll go down hill even faster
hexed tendon
Yao looking for help navigating warcraftlogs. If anyone could lend their expertise I would appreciate it
light pilot
Yao looking for help navigating warcraftlogs. If anyone could lend their experti...
Try asking in #balance
hexed tendon
I did. No answer. So I came here. It doesn't necessarily pertain to a specific spec. It pertains to finding specific sets of data.
light pilot
Maybe try more specific question
hexed tendon
I planned on it. Once someone responded to my original message saying they could help. I'm wondering how I'm able to find DPS percentiles presented on a graph for specific ilvl ranges pertaining to specific class specializations throughout a specific M+ instance.
for example-- dps percentiles for ilvl 434 ret paladins in +21 vortex pinnacle
full gate
it doesnt look like theres a more specific filter for ilvl when you go into dungeon view, the closest you can get is damage by class/spec at keystone level?
viscid swan
m+ logs are generally not considered useful by the way
very difficult to extract meaningful information from them
full gate
^ this also, most people just don't tend to log keys, 21 (your example level) isn't a very high key, and when people log it's generally cuz they're testing funky stuff and wanna see how it does
unreal scarab
light pilot
I just watch Actman. He is literally killing D4.
unreal scarab
I just watch Actman. He is literally killing D4.
unreal scarab
lunar mirage
amber coral
somber pumice
I just watch Actman. He is literally killing D4.
D4 is way better than D3 imo, lots of ppl are dooming about Blizzard games on social platforms cuz there's always a huge audience for haters
light pilot
D4 is way better than D3 imo, lots of ppl are dooming about Blizzard games on so...
But I played the game and feel the same. There is nothing to remember or talking about after finish the game that what souless game is.
somber pumice
Isn't this the case with all Hack'n'Sladh games though ?
(I'll grant you they built a cool character with Lilith but she did basically nothing the whole game)
light pilot
Isn't this the case with all Hack'n'Sladh games though ?
No, for example Skyrim.
somber pumice
Skyrim isn't a hack'nslash, like, at all
light pilot
It is
somber pumice
It's more of an Action-RPG
light pilot
Ok, let's say this, what is the moment that impressed you the most about that game, and why would you like to share that moment with people?
I found none in D4
somber pumice
There are a few parts in D4 story which I found memorable, the whole storyline with Vigo, Elias and the Tree of Whispers or the Inarius / Lilith cutscene in the end
More globally, I liked how the game expands from the situation at the end of Reaper of Souls with most of humanity having been decimated and people being spread between various factions in order to survive
lunar mirage
But I played the game and feel the same. There is nothing to remember or talking...
Ur coping abit
This actman guy made it to lvl 40
He has no idea how arpgs work
somber pumice
But imo the problem is that you played a Hack'n'Slash title expecting the game to be story-driven when this is never the case with the genre, even with great games such as Grim Dawn
light pilot
that why I said it is souless
solid needle
Tbf the story in all of them is pointless
But the game shouldn’t end when you hit level 50 and you grind the same thing to 100 for no benefit
Blizz released another half a game
somber pumice
Again it's the norm for the genre
solid needle
Except it’s not
light pilot
This actman guy made it to lvl 40
that what most casual level, isnt it?
solid needle
Games like PoE have massive end game systems
lunar mirage
ofc poe has massive endgame systems
because theyve been expanding the game over 10years
somber pumice
Games like PoE have massive end game systems
True but Path of Exile is an exception and people would argue that PoE is so complex that it's kind of complicated for newcomers to get in and know what to aim for
solid needle
I’m not talking about the seasons additions
solid needle
You don’t though cause I just said literally not what I’m talking about
somber pumice
(Haven't layed the game fwiw, I wanna play it but none of my friends want to play it with me :'()
lunar mirage
if u looked at poe from 2013 or w/e theres basically nothing massive except the skill tree
and the poe skill tree isnt that crazy
if youve been playing
for more than 10days
solid needle
But you can do maps (greater rifts), there is a economy so you can do that, crafting is it’s own endgame, there is build diversity
somber pumice
But you can do maps (greater rifts), there is a economy so you can do that, craf...
Might depend on class but there's build diversity in D4 too, at least for druids
solid needle
People just don’t wanna sit and farm 1 thing over and over that’s why so many have quit
Is there really? There’s like 4-5 builds isn’t there
lunar mirage
trading isnt rly an endgame system nor something really good
solid needle
Absolutely the economy is an endgame system
lunar mirage
idk swapping chaos for divines is peasant ig
solid needle
No one is gonna jump to trade your 3 chaos for 500 Fusings
lunar mirage
the only place trade is not scuffed is hc trade
solid needle
It’s still a system whether you enjoy it or not
Hopefully seasons change something on d4
somber pumice
Is there really? There’s like 4-5 builds isn’t there
I'd say there's around 8, at least 8 with a different main frame, then there's variations
solid needle
But everyone I know has already quit
somber pumice
Imo no one plays a Hack'n'Slash for long, Hack'n'Slash are repetitive by nature
This is typically the kind of game you wake up some day and think, "Hey, let's try this out after a few updates"
lunar mirage
i mean
its a seasonal game
you play for a couple weeks on season and move on till the next one
just like poe
somber pumice
Yeah that too, people play some of the new season then come back for the next one
solid needle
A lot do
lunar mirage
a very small amount ppl play poe the WHOLE league without any breaks
even streamers whos job it is to play the game dont play the whole league more often than not
solid needle
I play about 1.5-2months of a league
Which tends to be about average for streamers as well
Last Epoch is fairly new and it has a few things to do in endgame
solid needle
Casuals quitting too
lunar mirage
okay
its been more than a month
i dont think most games retain players for that long
solid needle
It’s ok to admit it hasn’t been good so far
solid needle
Yeah the logical argument is to compare a single league in PoE to a gamebreaking new game release that’s supposed to be the best of all time
solid needle
That’s what d4 was hyped as
obsidian geyser
It’s ok to admit it hasn’t been good so far
ive played it I liked it
currently not playing but didnt expect to spam the game
not sure yet if I prefer it over d3 or not
thats to be seen
somber pumice
That’s what d4 was hyped as
Hype is irrational by definition
lunar mirage
Idk anyone that isnt some massively irrational diablo/blizzard fan that thought d4 will be something crazy
Most ppl didnt have some high expectations
obsidian geyser
people tend to overhype new releases like crazy
candid edge
Think it’s foolish to compare a new game no matter how hyped it is to a mature game with 10 years of content
Just like any new MMO vs. wow. Just an uphill slog of catch up on content. Ofc players gonna run out of gas in d4. Gotta see what they cook up over the next few seasons maybe even an expac
candid edge
It’s ok to admit it hasn’t been good so far
I enjoyed my time. Hit 100. Geared up. Killed Lilith. Not much to do rn so I haven’t played since. But I def had fun. They just gotta add more over time and not drop the ball with the game in general
analog sedge
versed timber
Loaf !
shy mesa
Corgo!
obtuse dawn
Tbf the story in all of them is pointless
Sooo basically every Blizzard game
sturdy field
it isn't so bad in DF, even the new dungeon is pretty cool story-wise
unreal scarab
i liked the new dungeon, boss 2 is ranged not friendly
sturdy field
i meant the story of it, but yeah the dungeon mechanically is interesting
sturdy field
you can cc your own add, its not too bad
analog sedge
Morchie will be pug nightmare
Until a WA solves it instantly
unreal scarab
barren gazelle
obtuse dawn
it isn't so bad in DF, even the new dungeon is pretty cool story-wise
Everyone knocking on D4 story and I’m over here like…. What else do you want? It’s Diablo. Some kind of evil shit comes back and you gotta kill it…. Sounds like every wow expansion since BC 😂
WoWs lore is so convoluted at this point by having to know both in-game and book lore to follow the story
obtuse dawn
Most ppl didnt have some high expectations
If anything people were extremely leery due to Immortal
lunar mirage
Thats a cope
Only thing ppl were afraid of is p2w which obviously wouldnt happen in a full priced+ game
obtuse dawn
I just think D4's critics expected too much. For the vast majority of it's players though it's a Diablo game. It follows the Diablo pattern of gameplay. I dont get what people were expecting out of it.
Shit, Zelda ToK is the EXACT same game of Zelda BoTW except for building shit. It's a damn clone of the maps, combat and systems yet it's Game of the Year material? Get outta here.
obtuse dawn
People just don’t wanna sit and farm 1 thing over and over that’s why so many ha...
I mean.. isn't this the ENTIRE endgame of WoW? 😂
solid needle
Well Tbf
There are options if you want them
Raid, m+, pvp, achieves, mounts, rp, whatever
obtuse dawn
Raid, m+, pvp, achieves, mounts, rp, whatever
Percentage wise estimate though of those things, what do you think most do as players in WoW?
solid needle
Achieves/mounts type stuff
solid needle
Naw
I bet 50-75% of WoW players never touch even heroic dungeon or lfr outside of quest requirements
obtuse dawn
Wonder if there's any stats for that anywhere
solid needle
Doubt
lunar mirage
Can check what % of accounts have achievement
On a website called data for azeroth
Or something
Kind of accurate for how many ppl did the raid
obtuse dawn
truuue
tepid lantern
Yo baldurs gate 3 ?
I didn't even hear about it til now
I'm about to hang up all my forgotten realms maps and play
obtuse dawn
I'm about to hang up all my forgotten realms maps and play
Make sure to check out the bear and human gif that's roaming around out there
tepid lantern
this is what it's all about
Im wearing strahd von zarovich's holy symbol of ravenkind. That's it
I need go talk to #guardian no particular reason don't look into it
shy mesa
Make sure to check out the bear and human gif that's roaming around out there
It's an elven vampire. =/
Not a human.
obtuse dawn
Best scene in ANY video game
shy mesa
but I bet there are human characters with which that's an option. =/
so you may be right.
obtuse dawn
Hopefully we can cuddle with the squirrel after
barren gazelle
obtuse dawn
clever temple
unreal scarab
white carbon
unreal scarab
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unreal scarab
https://tenor.com/view/listen-to-me-bear-slap-gif-16623363
barren gazelle
amber coral
obtuse dawn
We don’t stand for bear towers anymore in off topic. We Zilla guardians won’t be having it. We will destroy any and all attempts. You have been warned.
tepid lantern
We need to spam more :HeyBear: so the guardians have too many actions per minute & go into seizures
obtuse dawn
We need to spam more :HeyBear: so the guardians have too many actions per minut...
There are many of us and too few of you. We welcome the challenge but we will be prepared.
clever temple
shy mesa
light pilot
amber coral
frosty imp
shy plover
versed timber
light pilot
waxen pagoda
barren gazelle
light pilot
lunar mirage
light pilot
timid walrus
versed timber
light pilot
somber pumice
Make sure to check out the bear and human gif that's roaming around out there
I can't get over how people are freaking about this scene when in Baldur's Gate 2 you had to infiltrate the Dark Elf Capital and a Dark Elf basically forced your PC to spend a night with her unless you wanted to have your disguise exposed
light pilot
i havent play BG2
lunar mirage
Bald ur
unreal scarab
https://tenor.com/view/bathing-panda-relax-chill-gif-8130155
panda chillin in the water
obtuse dawn
I can't get over how people are freaking about this scene when in Baldur's Gate ...
There's a huge difference between that scene visually though
BG2 graphics:
vs
It's quite a bit different 😄
light pilot
BG2 graphics:
I see nothing weird
obtuse dawn
I see nothing weird
Exactly, even if there were a sex scene back then with those graphics it'd just look like a mess of pixels
light pilot
but Rimworld is doing fine with sex scene btw
obtuse dawn
I mean I don’t give a shit if they wanna show a bear and human getting it on like donkey Kong. I’m just pointing out that a picture of worth a thousand words; having pixelated graphics fucking opposed to a full CGI rendered scene are two vastly different things.
obtuse dawn
Hell ya, Leisure Suit Larry type
light pilot
balmy current
Hello, guys, is there anyone who can help me with Legion achievment for progress Glory of the Legion Hero achiev? For bear form
somber pumice
I mean I don’t give a shit if they wanna show a bear and human getting it on lik...
It's all suggested, sometimes suggestion is a lot stronger than graphical depiction
regal karma
unreal scarab
some disconnects are happening
i see people going offline and back online in guild
vestal stag
Yeah, cross realm issues, affecting dugneons, auction house and more
white carbon
obtuse dawn
unreal scarab
obtuse dawn
unreal scarab
lunar mirage
unreal scarab
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