It’s way faster and you feel way more in control of your character once you’re used to it
#pvp
grand mesa
still geyser
Yeah I guess that is my pve habits and the fact I never played pvp that make me think this way, will try both option and see what suits better for me, but in the end I m pretty sure ure right, but I need to fall down to trust it 😂😂
grand mesa
Yeah it’ll be rough for a week or a few weeks but once u get it you’ll never go back. Sometimes my schmitar software will crash and I lose my targeting binds and I have to go back to mouseovers/click for one game. And holy hell it’s miserable and I wonder how I did it that way for so long lol
still geyser
Haha I understand that
safe heart
Arena123 improved my gameplay alot imo
coarse oasis
I want to make a Focus wild charge macro for wild charge, bash, clone as a resto druid. Which form is recommended for this? Bear charge or cat charge?
stray sigil
don’t recommend cast sequence macros like that
unless u mean a macro for just the wild charge
coarse oasis
just for charge
stray sigil
in which case doesnt matter really
do u newd the root? bear charge
doesnt really matter but i believe cat charge is a bit fastwr
stray sigil
charge works in every form dont have to make 20 macros
just press the form u want before the focus charge
coarse oasis
I thought you could make it faster that way 😄
amber snow
doesnt really matter but i believe cat charge is a bit fastwr
i'd never noticed this ... it's way faster, leap through the air vs trundle along in bear form 🙂
livid wasp
season 4 gonna be short as fuck I guess seeing dragonflight comes out this year
safe heart
I need to become seriously good at feral this season then
safe heart
Against
All
Odds
lime light
game not fun
safe heart
2s are stupid
livid wasp
everyone just plays them
thick axle
is lfg so dead or it's because i'm a resto druid?
I'm in lfg for 2 hours now and i got 1 game only
can't find anyone to play with
livid wasp
the video game is relatively dead yes
thick axle
i'm asking friend list to play and everyone say "i got my 2,4k already cba anymore"
and leveling low level alts
ebon vortex
lime light
just prepare wrath
stiff wren
grand mesa
10.0 will fix it
livid wasp
why is ele/lock allowed
lime light
demo is not good
just kill the imps
then kill the tyrant
then kill the felguard
and then kill a warlock
kill dogs too
haughty compass
Lol
tardy hare
livid wasp
just sacs at the start when I open
safe heart
I will say that jungle is kinda prone to random losses when pally gets some crits but unless the ret war is really good you can work them down
I've only played 1 ret war so far that cycles well enough that I don't think we can win
livid wasp
thug with outlaw
wtf is that too
ridiculous
im so tired of not being able to get past 2.1k
haughty compass
Stop bullying this poor man
viscid remnant
Machtig pls stop sniping zechey 
tardy hare
😎
livid wasp
I think every game against you hunt hasnt insta stunned pala to avoid sac
glossy drum
with more time practising, youll get the cross cc down dont worry 🙂
stray sigil
is ur hunter surv or bm
i swear u just trap off stealth lol
that way u dont have to deal with sham trinket grounding trap o n 1st go
same way id play it vs ret war
livid wasp
bm
dark flare
is there a guide on order of gear to buy?
i'm like 270 with pve gear, and am just starting pvp
stray sigil
wep first
but ye other than that its up to u
go for the pieces that have guaranteed ur bis stats or something
livid wasp
rdruids shouldnt be allowed in 3s
ele/rdruid/surv
absolutely nothing we can do
pointless doing switches cause sv just dispels bleeds
rare willow
just gotta cross the sv or force bandage before a GO
ele should flop pretty easy
ele/sv/rdruid is a weird comp though . i dont think ive ever seen it lol
livid wasp
it was aids
rare willow
i can imagine its just a flood of damage
probably was necrolord ascendance build right?
livid wasp
dont remember anyone I just remember hunter was focused and hardly got any traps
rare willow
ah yeah i feel that.
haughty compass
Thats when the feral really has to kinda carry tbh
rare willow
yeah feral / healer gotta go for the cc w/ maybe like a hunter trap on the sv. does bm get access to diamond trap? cuz that during a GO w/ a stun on ele + chastise/fear on healer would be deadly
mellow granite
only surv get diamond
safe heart
The guardian cope is getting out of hand
I logged on to check vault and instantly got msg'd asking if I could play guardian
Supatease makes one video and it destroys the game
amber snow
is there a guide on order of gear to buy?
Doesn't really matter as gear is so easy to get now but ... replace anything without vers on it, buy cheapest stuff as they tend to give more benefit/conq spent, only take sockets from vault.
rare willow
i tend to want to buy the weapons first cuz those are usually the biggest single upgrades but otherwise /shrug
sacred dawn
wow pvp is dead bcuz its really hard for new players to understand
its like nobody even plays the game anymore
grand mesa
Is it because it’s too hard to understand or there aren’t really easy accessible ways to learn
safe heart
^^
sacred dawn
both
tropic schooner
Is it because it’s too hard to understand or there aren’t really easy accessible...
its too hard to understand
safe heart
There's no reasonable way to leaen
tropic schooner
which means there arent easy acceesible ways to learn
one follows directly from the other
sacred dawn
thank god i have a friend that taught me how to set up goes and all the dr shit
safe heart
I think there's just a mountain of knowledge you need to meld with thousands of games of xp
sacred dawn
i cant imagine what its like learnign on ur own
grand mesa
Do you think a really robust and active solo queue would resolve?
safe heart
No
tropic schooner
Do you think a really robust and active solo queue would resolve?
no
its impossible to solve
safe heart
Solo q will solve nothing
tropic schooner
I also dont agree with "wow pvp is dead" and because of that
clear pulsar
Blizzard really needs some type of glossary resource in-game that teaches particular game mechanics
tropic schooner
but I agree with the part that wow pvp is very hard to get into
clear pulsar
Like crowd control DRs
haughty compass
The barrier to entry is too high to stand a chance tbh
tropic schooner
nah
sacred dawn
its not solo q tbh they need to change the mechanics so its easier to learn and still can get really compititve
haughty compass
Not only is your first experience likely getting smoked by someone with better gear
But you don’t even know what they are doing lol
grand mesa
But what about moba’s. I’d argue there’s quite a bit of in game knowledge required as well
sacred dawn
ive tried playing league and it seems easier thats why it has alot of players
i dont even know why would a new player get into wow pvp anymore
stray sigil
its not easier
grand mesa
It’s super fun 🤷♂️
stray sigil
just cause theres 4 buttons doesnt mean its easier
sacred dawn
its ez but has a high skill cap which is perfect
safe heart
Like consider being a new player just queueing up
Think about how skewed your ideas of how arena should work would be
grand mesa
So you’re saying wow has a high floor high ceiling
safe heart
Yes
stray sigil
i dont think thats true lol
tropic schooner
just cause theres 4 buttons doesnt mean its easier
its way easier
stray sigil
theres like 200 champions in league
tropic schooner
to get into and pick up
stray sigil
no its not lol
stray sigil
have u been high cr in wow
tropic schooner
yes
stray sigil
and high elo in league
stray sigil
respectfully disagree
grand mesa
Lmao is this warden for repeating message
stray sigil
its not easier
tropic schooner
however that part
tropic schooner
is absolutely irrelevant
stray sigil
in league than wow
tropic schooner
for this talk
stray sigil
190 champs
safe heart
Can you show me how to be 3k in wow fuji
tropic schooner
we dont talk whats easier to be perfect in
stray sigil
vs like 10 classes
sacred dawn
i been 1900 and i know what mistakes i made in each loss but it just makes me tired bcuz all of the shit i have to watch in a game that could end in 0.3 secs
tropic schooner
we talk whats easier to pick up
we dont talk about challenger players or 3k players
we talk about bronze players
and 1200 rated players
grand mesa
Yeah In that sense wow is way more inaccessible
stray sigil
bronze is way better than 1200 lol
tropic schooner
what ever
stray sigil
its like 1600 easily imo
tropic schooner
but tbh forgot iron existed
sacred dawn
seriously im tired of queing into the same ppl all day
we should just duel in org at this point
whats even sadder is the fact that i dont think dragonflight is gonna bring players
sacred dawn
like me personally im not playing anything but i doubt id buy it
tropic schooner
pvp players are in a constant state of tilt
since always
nothing will change
every expansion is the worst ever
grand mesa
Unless you’re in my guild and so late CE that you never get that break 👍
Season long content 🥲
sacred dawn
sl is really no1 seems to be playing anymore
safe heart
Pvp players are always full tilt because the unbalance hurts so much more in pvp imo
grand mesa
Hahaha I was never tilted in game about much enten, particularly about class balance
Then I started pvping
tropic schooner
Pvp players are always full tilt because the unbalance hurts so much more in pvp...
and people tend to forget
like the idiolizing of tbc and now wotlk arena
is very fun
safe heart
Yeah cuz when I queue a key and a surv hunter joins , I know I'm gunna time this key cuz of his dmg
grand mesa
Like destro being monstrous in keys doesn’t bother me in m+
Who cares
Frag out
Double chaos bolt with echoing resolve
🤬🤬🤬🤬
sacred dawn
i mean if u dont want to be tilted over ur class sucking pick up a spec thats always good like fire mage or sv hunter or any lock spec
grand mesa
Nah I’m forever druid
safe heart
I remember when they announced double legos, my brother who's a M+ player was hype cuz borrowed power but I was mad because I knew double legos would break things
sacred dawn
bad
it never breaks anything imo
but the lack of players got me
why tf do i sit a 40 min que
safe heart
Well I knew double legos was gunna help rets wars bm hunter alot more than feral
tropic schooner
why tf do i sit a 40 min que
what on earth are you doing
that you sit a 40 min q
sacred dawn
what the hell i mean i could do alot instead of sitting there
tropic schooner
Well I knew double legos was gunna help rets wars bm hunter alot more than feral
wasnt rets best season in SL
s1?
sacred dawn
searching for a healer
sacred dawn
y
tropic schooner
yea looking for healers
always annoying
remember in legion
I sat for like
4-5 hours
end of last season
cause my lock ditched me
and tried to get glad
sacred dawn
in legion it was way better than this tbh
safe heart
I feel like s2 was better for ret but idk
I was sub 1600 for alot of s1
sacred dawn
u cant deny there is a lack of pvp players in the scene
sacred dawn
they wouldnt even consider crossfaction if it werent
safe heart
Pvp is not a popular game type
safe heart
I think most ppl don't enjoy a competitive game in their free time
Ppl like cooperation
sacred dawn
personally i dont give a fuck if i play with someone that dont know what theyre doing
tropic schooner
wow pvp is always kinda niche
sacred dawn
i just wanna play with a healer as a feral druid not an undergeared mm hunter
sacred dawn
Ppl like cooperation
thats okay what im saying is
make it easier
so that when pvers try it they dont get anxious
and never que for arenas again
sacred dawn
yes but they get sweaty at low ratings man
tropic schooner
yes
cause ppl are competetive
and get toxic cause they cant control themselves
safe heart
Like to make pvp easier , actual players would have to purposely play worse
sacred dawn
yeh but the only way for us to gain players is to make it ez than it is rn
tropic schooner
Like to make pvp easier , actual players would have to purposely play worse
could remove spells
grand mesa
I think removing spells would help
sacred dawn
idk im just thinking of a solotioun
tropic schooner
but I hope they dont do that
grand mesa
But I think covenants conduits and all this extra shit going away may help too
By itself
tropic schooner
I think thats fixing a problem which doesnt really exist
like sure not everyone plays pvp most dont
and thats fine
safe heart
Why remove spells
grand mesa
There’s a lot of track
tropic schooner
less stuff to learn
grand mesa
Also I think CDR is obnoxious
tropic schooner
that is the problem in pvp
you have so much stuff to pay attention to
you are overwhelmed by informatino
sacred dawn
yep its stressful
like even if u know where u fkd up u just ask ur self why am i tortuing myslef
grand mesa
Well sl pvp is really fast paced too
sacred dawn
i think its fun it being fast paced
safe heart
Yeah I don't want damp metas
sacred dawn
but its harder for sure
they need to rework some stuff in dragon flight regarding pvp
idk how but they need to redesign
tropic schooner
idk how but they need to redesign
personally I disagree
sacred dawn
and i dont want to think about it im not getting paid
tropic schooner
the one thing I personally would want
is take power away from cds, both defensive and offensive
and put power into just normal dmg
but that wouldnt help people getting to learn the game
sacred dawn
but then some specs would fuck us up like ret and fire mage
tropic schooner
how would you know that
even outside obviously it being a new expansion
at least currently both ret and mage rely on cds
a lot
tropic schooner
but I personally support the I guess not that liked idea that I like oneshots
I like occasional oneshots with almost 0 counterplay
as long as its not consistent
but losing and winning some amount of games randomly
is fun to me
so if a mage happens to crit all spells randomly and you die due to it
no issue for me at all
safe heart
Or a dh lives at 3% because you whiffed 4 bites because of blur
tropic schooner
nah I like that one less
its not fun to not win due to sth and imo not that much fun to randomly survive
but getting the occasional all crit convoke
is very fun
or for DH an insane hunt crit into fel rush
or if we take tbc have a ret pala seal twist with WF procc
and just global someone
or wrath will have ele/destro oneshots
etc
grand mesa
guess we'll see hwen 10.0 lands how it feels
clear pulsar
or for DH an insane hunt crit into fel rush
INSANE display of skill to just crit the oneshot spell
Smile
wise valley
What is next expansion called
stray sigil
dragonflight
deep nacelle
anyone seen how shit the talent trees are lol. i hope it gets changed
stray sigil
feral one kinda not great
rare willow
its going to depend too much on actual tuning numbers before we know anything. i was kinda liking the idea of circle / adaptive / feral frenzy / and draught for feral bleed spec but who knows if that will be amazing or horrid until tuning passes.
stray sigil
its the zerk for me
still aa 3 min cd
split in 4
and none of them are good
lol
rare willow
lol
i hate that frenzyband is making it into dragonflight
what a useless talent. lol
stray sigil
ya but
rare willow
Berserk: Frenzy its going to take SO MUCH TUNING to make anyone take that talent 🤣
rare willow
^
i want to know what the final talent under Adaptive Swarm is going to be. its got the same icon as adaptive so im guessing its a modifier on Adaptive but who knows?
right now im only taking 1 point in it to get circle of life and death
wild kestrel
Anyone know how to counter abom limb as resto?
It absolutely wrecks me
I can maybe survive the first one
then second I'm done
torpid aspen
for guardian, is Emerald Slumber any good for arenas/BGs?
torpid aspen
as im also necro so i thought it may help with FC CDs
clear pulsar
Yeah it's great if you can get it off, it just wont happen in arena
torpid aspen
thats fair enough, thank you, what do i use instead of that in arenas?
viscid remnant
obtuse bramble
I am so underhyped
tardy hare
ofc i preordered
viscid remnant
grand mesa
Yeah I pre ordered insta. THE WINGS MAN
and the mount is sick
My dh partner using his boost for a fury warrior 😂
viscid remnant
tardy hare
rofl
grand mesa
😂
clear pulsar
I havent preordered
Cuz I'm a normal reasonable human being totally not addicted to wow
haughty compass
I haven’t either, but I’m definitely going to play it lol.
safe heart
I pre ordered
still geyser
Hi guys, new to arena, can u confirm that if i make macro with "arena1"/arena2 is to directly use my spell to the guy under arena1/2. This is my ally that is considered under those ? Or my enemies ? And on druid how do u handle that much macro if u play in 3v3 do u have like 3 bind for each spell or close to ?
clear pulsar
Arena1/2/3 are enemy team in the order they appear on arena frames
Usually people just macro CC with arena1/2/3 and/or focus targeting
Bash, cyclone, root, interrupt, etc
still geyser
and the rest ? Mouse over on raid frame ?
clear pulsar
Personal preference, I think most people that just pvp have it keybound to just target party members
still geyser
oh a key to target ally and then use spell ? Hmm will see what i can do
ty for answers
clear pulsar
Like a separate key to target
For example A / S / D target yourself / party1/ party2
still geyser
yeah i see, but it make that many bind to have haha
tardy hare
I use party1/party2
grand mesa
Party 1 / party 2 / player
I have arena 1/2/3 and modifiers for those binds to clone1/2/3 and root 1/2/3
Party1/party2/player and shift modifier to dispel p1/p2/player
clear pulsar
My keybinding is objectively the best way to do it but yall aint ready for this conversation
amber snow
for guardian, is Emerald Slumber any good for arenas/BGs?
It's excellent in rbgs, in arena you can just los and use it, very few players will bother to come attack you and you're hardly ever attack target so, easy to get away. Well worth taking in 3s/if you play with healer in 2s.
safe heart
I should get my kick on a 123 macro but I have no where to put
Why don't tanks do 50% less damage in arena
clear pulsar
Let’s see
All of my spells are macrod in one of two ways, depending if help or harm spell ofc
[mod:alt,@player][mod:shift,@party1][mod:ctrl,@party2]
[mod:alt,@arena1][mod:shift,@arena2][mod:ctrl,@arena3]
With mouseover and/or focus conditions as well depending on the spell. Some of them will also swap my target to the respective one I'm casting on, like heals and rotational dmg spells.
grand mesa
Ah I do similar but the other way
I don’t think my brain can handle different modifier being different arena targets
clear pulsar
What does similar but the other way mean
Like 1 2 3 is a spell on 123, mods+123 are a diff spell on 123, and so on?
clear pulsar
I don’t think my brain can handle different modifier being different arena targe...
So my alt is on caps lock and I just basically target with my pinky
grand mesa
#showtooltip Mighty Bash
/tar [nomod] arena1
/cast [@arena1,mod:shift] Cyclone
/focus [mod:ctrl] arena1
/cast [@arena1,mod:alt] Entangling Roots
clear pulsar
From top to bottom like they show up on my frames
grand mesa
So first button on MMO mouse is Thag macro
Second button is arena2
Third is arena 3
Etc
My modifiers are the abilities not the arena targets
still geyser
All of my spells are macrod in one of two ways, depending if help or harm spell ...
This mean on one bind if ctrl it is arena 3, if shift is 2 etc? Is it possible to make it with no modifier/alt/shift?
clear pulsar
You can just make it /cast [@arena1]spell for anything and bind it wherever you like sure
Not sure exactly what you're asking
clear pulsar
Yeah
still geyser
And not 3 mod
clear pulsar
You use [nomod]
grand mesa
Ur way is probably more efficient tbh
I have clone bound and focus clone bound but use my 1/2/3 macros
So a lot of extra binding for same spell
clear pulsar
/use [@arena1,exists,mod:alt][@arena2,exists,mod:shift][@arena3,exists,mod:ctrl][@focus,exists,mod][nomod,@target]cyclone``` this is how I do itSo it doubles down as focus for m+ or bgs too
safe heart
Grim adventures of Billy and mandy
tiny oar
And seperate one for normal use
This is the way 
wise valley
Playin with death like I’m billy and Mandy yuh
tiny oar
yuh
livid wasp
funny to watch suffre play jungle and his hunter doing almost double my hunters dps
like wtf how
lime light
Hello from EP
haughty compass
Pretty sure Bicmex is like the best surv hunter in the world
stray sigil
Hello from EP
hello from fuji
tiny oar
hello from lakerz
viscid remnant
hi guys
lime light
thx
stray sigil
what class do i play in bc/wotlk
im torn feral destro or ret
what do u think patron
viscid remnant
dont
tropic schooner
do you have any idea what you wanna play content wise?
if arena know any ppl you are likely playing with
and how much pve you wanna do
also if ret would you only play ret or also prot?
lime light
destro dont need pve gear
feral is heavy pve gear depended
ret medium
feral is good with plenty of pve gear
iam gonna play arms/unh/feral
dunno which one as main
stray sigil
prob just a throwaway project like i doubt ill do arenas really in wotlk
maybe some casual raiding and bgs
i remember destro in wotlk being hella fun
tropic schooner
ret medium
yea thats why I asked
pine ginkgo
do you guys use savage roar in 3's?
tropic schooner
wouldnt play feral if you dont wanna pve
safe heart
do you guys use savage roar in 3's?
It's decent in games where you have alot of uptime spamming damage , most ppl play soul tho
pine ginkgo
a glad friend uses it, but I'm not really sure how the opener in 3s with that would be like
tardy hare
ye
stray sigil
pine ginkgo
you don't ramp up to 5cp?
stray sigil
not for the opener
tardy hare
only ferocious bite needs 5 cp for fat power
stray sigil
u put it up before ff very important
tardy hare
anything else is just same power shorter duratiopn
pine ginkgo
even Rips?
stray sigil
5 cp rip vs 1 cp rip
doesnt inc the dmg from the dot
just the duration
but ye 5cp rip cuz if u just do 1cp over and over thats a lot of gcds lol
pine ginkgo
so essentially how the opener would look like? TF -> Rake kill target -> Savage Roar even with low CP -> Moonfire -> FF -> Rip -> Berserk (...) ?
stray sigil
tf rake sr ff swarm rip moonfire build 5cp sr
can fit in zerk too
like
tf rake sr ff zerk swarm
if u send zerk in opener i like to just dr stun inseatd of the rip
tf rake sr ff swarm zerk maim
with sr its just super important to have it up BEFORE ff
cuz ff is weirdly coded and snapshots off it
if u sr after ff ur ff is not affected by sr
clear pulsar
cuz ff is weirdly coded and snapshots off it
FF is coded like an ignite
It isnt exactly weirdly coded, it just may not make sense/be clear that it's an ignite
stray sigil
pretty weird for it to be an ignite
pine ginkgo
tf rake sr ff swarm zerk maim
so you don't moonfire before you zerk and maim the target?
stray sigil
i suppose its coded like that cuz of the 5 strikes thing
clear pulsar
Yeah it's a bit stupid
stray sigil
so you don't moonfire before you zerk and maim the target?
if u zerk opener the rip/moonfire dmg is super meaningless
clear pulsar
But they did fix its weapon dps scaling I think
stray sigil
better gcds elsewhere
u can moonfire after ur maim and stuff
and get ur stuff back up like sr rip moonfire
pine ginkgo
so, tf rake sr ff swarm zerk maim ramp rip moonfire and maintain stuff up?
stray sigil
ye thats the big opener
"tf rake sr ff swarm zerk maim" is the important part for the big dam opener
clear pulsar
You're a big dam opener @stray sigil
stray sigil
ty too bad im banned for a while
clear pulsar
stray sigil
hopefully i can get my mount before the ssn starts
clear pulsar
Toxic chat?
stray sigil
no
some uh
tos stuff i suppose
but not toxicity
suprised i got banned for that
clear pulsar
stray sigil
im in idk what to play area now
XD
been playing ff14 but that game kinda dog no cap
lime light
erp in goldshire
stray sigil
haughty compass
Selling challenger
stray sigil
selling combattant
stray sigil
haughty compass
Frog mount
lime light
dude just made
ret on blackrock
there are no spells
almost to press
XD
compared to feral arms unh
stray sigil
is blackrock wotlk?
lime light
with one poress
stray sigil
but ig u have 3 diff judges in wotlk
haughty compass
Og classic was cool, but loot drama made me leave after we killed KT. Like, just roll for shit.... you aren’t “helping the guild clear” that shit is easy
lime light
viscid remnant
'
stray sigil
i try to use it on my omen procs
but i have a bit habit about thrash i use it too much
lime light
why u banned kid
stray sigil
i wouldnt go out of my way to keep it up
lime light
say it to daddy
lime light
monkaW
viscid remnant
stray sigil
or v rising but idk how long that game will last me
theres some naruto skins coming out on fortnite
might play that a bit
itachi
viscid remnant
real ?
willow estuary
Any got tips on how to beat ret pally 1v1 as guardian?
stray sigil
guardian 
stray sigil
i am not playing till tomorrow
not playing until i can be itachi
no way
i think i have update to do too ig
shhesh
tropic schooner
where are your different seals
other judgements
several freedom and dispel keys
multiple blessings
viscid remnant
u know how much vbuck it is
tropic schooner
divine sac
stray sigil
u know how much vbuck it is
no clue its a pack
so ima assume its like 20$ or something for sure
i think the pack with itachi is itachi and orochimaru which is pog
tropic schooner
look at your hotkeys you are prolly at about 1/4th of the needed ones @lime light
stray sigil
vbucks is money no ?
like u spend money to get vbucks?
im saying like 20$ worth of vbucks prob
willow estuary
yeah i try and kite as much as possible but once they catch up they burst me for like 50% my hp since it's magic
viscid remnant
ye but alrdy have vbucks
u know iam cheap like that they call me jewish cuz the drip isreal
willow estuary
yeah just seems like pally straight shred me compared to other classes
casters i can put too much pressure on them to get anything off then they waste their cc while im berserked
pally as soon as they catch me is just like insta half my hp
amber snow
Any got tips on how to beat ret pally 1v1 as guardian?
1v1 you win easily in incarn window, your dmg will force bubble half way through, will still have 10s or so post bubble to nuke him down.
remember you can pretty much spam frenzied regen during incarn window as it reduces cd on it
willow estuary
oh shit forgot about that
here's the most recent clip. i see i could have walled better
but not sure what else i could have done
amber snow
play venthyr ... your dmg ramps up in ravenous frenzy, can get 20k+ sustained single target toward the end
willow estuary
ah damn ok been enjoying the boomie convoke burst but ill try that
amber snow
wait ... you're not using incarn & sleeper?
willow estuary
im using sleeper
not incarn
hitting more targets and having more hp doesn't seem all that big the moonfire talent does so much dmg
amber snow
incarn + sleeper + ravenous frenzy (venthyr) makes you semi-immortal and maybe strongest dps in the game while also being cc immune for 30s ... you're running away from the ret, the ret shoudl be running from you 😉
willow estuary
oh crap
i just realized incarn makes it last 30s
instead of 15s
yeah that's a big mistake not running
amber snow
mhm
willow estuary
i just saw that most of the top guardians in 2s run nf so i went with that
and enjoy the boomie convoke when they run
amber snow
it's vexing but ... you can't trust murlok.io etc. for talents/covenants for guardian
because most will actually be playing boomkin or rbgs or haven't played games in weeks etc.
willow estuary
ahh ok
def gonna need to swap venth
plus then i dont need to worry about getting kicked or bad rng on voke
or swapping forms
amber snow
guardian convoke is unlikely to kill anyone without set up / cc ... massive sustained dps kills everyone eventually tho.
willow estuary
yeah i usually save for boomkin unless i cant get distance
stray sigil
i would hardly call venth bear sustain dps lol
willow estuary
have gotten 37k starsurge crits as guardian boomkin aff
although usually closer to around 20k
stray sigil
from what i gather venthr guard does dam for 30s
then ur doing absolutely notyhing for 3min
until frenzy is back
amber snow
i would hardly call venth bear sustain dps lol
yeah it's OP during that 30s then kinda weak ... barkskin can give it ~10k dps for a few seconds but pretty tame overall ... mostly between incarns you're offhealing/hiding
willow estuary
well barkskin -> incarn -> bark is almost 40s of incarn then yeah kinda sol for another 1.5min
amber snow
ravenous frenzy is 3min cd, emerald slumber can carve >30s off that so ... ~2mins between huge goes. If you live to the 2nd one you v likely win there from damp/some def cds not being available for your taget
willow estuary
yeah im still ~1600 so most matches there's not much downtime just everyone running and spamming buttons at each other
need to try and greed emerald slumber when they target teammate
amber snow
think i got stopped on slumber once in maybe 40 uses of it ... most of the time just sitting in middle of arena
willow estuary
i've been running Master Shapeshifter, Raging Frenzy, Overrun -- def gonna swap Master Shapeshifter once venth, and overrun for slumber anything else worth swapping Raging Frenzy for?
amber snow
IDK what optimal pvp talents are ... slumber / den mother (if playing with melee) / alpha challenge (+6/9% free dmg) are mostly what I used ... overrun is neat vs something that tries to run like rdruid.
grand mesa
its over, move on kids
Move on by playing a 15 year old version??? 😂
stray sigil
https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/news/wrath-of-the-lich-king-classic-beta-is-now-li...
u think i can get beta if i got banned
stray sigil
tropic panther
IDK what optimal pvp talents are ... slumber / den mother (if playing with melee...
Just go kyrian
Give your homie big wall
patent shoal
Scoob, what do you main?
tropic panther
just been messing around on war and hunter
working on flux to gear druid and hop on cheese train tho
amber snow
Just go kyrian
venth does massively more dam than kyr ... RF ramps up to give >100% haste, >60% crit, +50% damage for ~10s, can't see giving that up being worth another defensive for team mate, IDK, maybe if people get used to playing vs guardian/venth it would make sense.
tropic panther
That wall is so busted though
Guess it depends on comp
Kyrian probably better with fury venthyr better with a dh
amber snow
it's decent for sure ... just a HUGE amount of pressure to give up for it, consigns you more to support instead of hero/win condition role.
safe heart
So if you queue into someone with hands how do you win
stone breach
Queueing up again into the next team with no hands 
safe heart
Against All odds
tropic panther
lol
well they've been climbing over 3k with it
so must be a lot of no hand andys up there
stray sigil
lol
they q during the day
when noone qs
so they just farm 2.4 teams
def pretty good players ye
safe heart
Guardian druid peak skill spec
stray sigil
these guys have like 2k + games
they legit farming +5 points
during the day to keep their 3k lmfao
cuz if they qd when ppl would q
theyd go back down to 2.4 where to actually belong lol
peak player
even logs off moonkin so ppl dont flame
lmfao
safe heart
Did they even actually climb as guardian or is it like they wrre 3k and then just swapped
willow estuary
Damn just swapped venth for guardian and I've been missing out
You're basically a 40s immune convoke
safe heart
What do you do after that's over
stray sigil
Did they even actually climb as guardian or is it like they wrre 3k and then jus...
na he plays guard
logs off boomy
so looks better on lader
stray sigil
What do you do after that's over
nothing lol
safe heart
I mean, I guess the whole idea is that you're trying to play the dampest game
livid wasp
guardian players
stray sigil
I mean, I guess the whole idea is that you're trying to play the dampest game
yes
its literally just a damp comp
pseudo double healer
safe heart
You're just stalling while fury warrior carries
safe heart
So the first minute of the game is pretty scary and then you're chilling
plush narwhal
What’s his healer 🥹
safe heart
Kill fury go next
stray sigil
that guy is not even playing venth
sono
he does no damage
he plays kyrian
to give him 40% wall or some shit
every minute
grand mesa
Probably less with mikanikos
40-45s wall and goes down to 25-30s if bond hits enough targets
safe heart
So basically you can't even kill the fury warrior
grand mesa
Then if you play with NF priest they have 40% wall every min and a half or so that lasts 20s lol
amber snow
Did they even actually climb as guardian or is it like they wrre 3k and then jus...
at 3k they won a bunch of games in 3s, y'day he realized venth is good and played 2s with a lock from 1900 to 2800mmr with some dumb pvp talents ... hard to know if it's better than boomkin/anything else given they're such high skill but pretty much every game they just overwhelmed enemy in 1st or 2nd incarn window.
safe heart
And it was due to skill and not death and cc immunity right
safe heart
Like all I'm hearing is "yeah I can win alot when I'm immune to dying and cc"
stray sigil
whos vod lol
stray sigil
that is not the guy i was talking about anyways
stray sigil
not sure why were bringing supa playing with antoher mult r1
3k games at 2700
lol
but cr doesnt even matter
hes an absolute shitter
thats an obscene amount of games to only be 2.7
so indicates that something is wrong somewhere
safe heart
I feel like ppl are so horny for Guardian to be good for the free wins
safe heart
Because supatease made a video
Supatease makes a video and that's the meta for 2 months
amber snow
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1510121413 - supa playing guardian/venth for last couple hours of that
stray sigil
ye but its irrelevant
the 3k guy ppl keep bringing up
is not supa
also i am not subbing to supa
to watch a vod
lmfao
safe heart
No way
viscid remnant
stray sigil
catch me dead before i sub to supa lmfao
just by how much cancer he gave me in bfa
cringelord
amber snow
did this guy date your mom or something fuji
safe heart
I subbed to syfox when he was playing
dark flare
for resto, are we using the pvp weapons? or a pve one. Assuming I want to keep running 4 pc
stray sigil
pvp scales higher so pvp
dark flare
gotcha ty
livid wasp
someone teach me how to own in 3s
livid valve
not wrong
grand mesa
i enjoy it but i haven't pvped much since mop so i'm not as jaded
patent shoal
4 set mandatory for balance to do damage? 😄
stone breach
4 set mandatory for balance to do damage? 😄
4set mandatory to play the game pmuch
patent shoal
Thanks... what is the best opener for a balance? from stealth for instance, struggling to even start as this class 😄
haughty compass
@stray sigil I’d sub to you 🤭
tiny oar
@stray sigil I'd donate and sub to you
haughty compass
Sounds like you got your first 2 mods
stray sigil
grand mesa
I can see it now. 50 sub goal plays with frenzyband
haughty compass
Venthyr frenzyband I believe I believe
crystal forge
LOL
Venthyr feral is so bad but its so amusing to pull off a decent ramp
u just stack haste vers with some crit and ur sickle fucks
tiny oar
SICKLE MODE
haughty compass
I almost wonder if you just sickle right at the end of the ramp. Lol
patent shoal
Tsoumpakas - you loser 😛
tropic panther
Lol I'm still farming the Flux for 4pc
clear pulsar
Any triple resonaters in chat?
civic shuttle
tiny oar
Glyphstro is based and has a soul 100p
low glacier
hi
low glacier
bye
surreal heron
civic shuttle
https://tenor.com/view/mood-swings-moody-girl-currentmood-gif-16219633
Is that allowed in here?
tiny oar
Is that allowed in here?
Are you allowed in here??
machtig
low glacier
or cat
civic shuttle
Do you not love us anymore!?!?!?
tiny oar
Lake is a whole different person in here
I let the mask slip a lot more in here
tardy hare
Bear and cat chat were just some visiting trips to remember our superiority
fair mirage
viscid remnant
Hi
tiny oar
Hi
viscid remnant
eu scheduel
crystal forge
We can q buddy
i just got called buddy im leaving
@surreal heron bensiano me outta here
surreal heron
huh
crystal forge
crystal forge
when we qing lake
surreal heron
that's basically it
tiny oar
Weird guy
crystal forge
there is no lore
tiny oar
That's the lore
surreal heron
no
crystal forge
tragic
surreal heron
he just left
tiny oar
when we qing lake
Whenever u see me on bnet and can play just spam msg me and I'll log retail
tiny oar
Ez dubs
viscid remnant
mordor cr
viscid remnant
my guy in the depth of mordor itself
viscid remnant
crystal forge
juiced with more cocaine and fentanyl than any average crackhead on the streets can even think of
tiny oar
Yep
Push comes to shove I ain't knocking it
I'll sell bath water and feet pics for dreamgrove simps just a commie girl living in a capitalist dystopia
civic shuttle
Aye Aye, no pushing or shoving
tardy hare
I'll sell bath water and feet pics for dreamgrove simps just a commie girl livin...
Pog
tiny oar
Girls gotta do what she gotta do for her nail polish and booze addictions
clear pulsar
civic shuttle
lime light
Hi
tiny oar
hello
viscid remnant
hi
grand mesa
Hello
grand mesa
Howdy partner
edgy oxide
Greetings
viscid remnant
Cuz ur an addict
stray sigil
im just so bored now
before i would just log in and do random shit
now i do nothing
amber snow
stray sigil
$report
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amber snow
dude has several things he could improve on, doesn't understand how T&C talent works ... still owns
grand mesa
im just so bored now
New season soon 👍
stray sigil
new ssn no changes nothing