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I'm having a hard time playing as resto druid/arms against DH/resto in 2s. I keep DH in clone, roots for most of the game, but when they connect they just do a ton of damage. They never kill me, but i end losing on mana against DH/Resto Druid playing as Arms/Resto Druid. My warrior should sit DH or Druid in that match up? Is there anything more i can do to mitigate DH's damage?
your warrior should generate uptime on either the druid or the DH, switching frequently between targets on opportunities that you both create by positioning the dh in spots that drag out the druid. druids don't like to keep hots up on two targets as it is inefficient and costly. also, a druid that needs to heal is a druid in human form, thus not being able to mitigate damage by bear form. Demon hunters are susceptible to the cc windows you as a druid can put them in while your warrior is currently pressuring the druid. as soon as the enemy druid is fully hotted and safe in bear or kiting your warrior, make your warrior switch onto the dh again. always hamstring, always have uptime with the warrior
if you warrior has uptime, you should never lose the mana battle because your warrior does both more damage, and takes less damage
align your switches on to the druid or the dh with stormbolt-warbreaker-spearofbastion combos (avatar too when ready)
this way, the druid is forced to put out big amounts of healing in a short time, which costs a lot of mana and gcd's
We are switching constantly, i'm cloning both of them on DR, my Warrior can connect much more than DH, but when DH connect they just shit tons of damage. Maybe i'll ask my partner as a Venthyr Warrior to hit who's above 80% hp to have more comdemn damage and only try to burst them down on Stormbolt/Bash setup.
it's not necessary to clone both of them on DR. if you are having trouble living through dh burst, try and play guardian affinity. kite the dh around the pillar, pre bear his stuns when he connects. if your warrior does less damage than a dh with more uptime, it might be an issue on his side
because that shouldn't really happen
especially as venthyr
Constantly cloning everyone will make you oom faster ofc
Consider running entangling bark and/or mass root tbh
Root -> run and restealth -> stun into clone -> run more
It's hard to tell what you should be doing differently without seeing the games @neon rover
Going to make a second druid for some pvp stuff so from NL to NF I am watching flop's videos. That's a crazy good 3.5 hour analysis haha. Any tips for like just general bgs and staying alive (Although the video despite being arena focused, helps a ton with that too)
I guess for resto NL really nukes NF hmm ?
Going to have to find a cozy bind for adaptive swarm and @proud ledge
Question, has absolutely nothing to do with what youre talking about, but a pretty new WoW player here just curious about posibilities. Im curious why you'd need/want to make a second character for that.
Well I play feral and do a lot of PVE and NF is pretty good and it's a bit of a hassle to "redo" not only the renown but the storylines, etc and then you "lose" one to take the other.
With a fresh druid can play both covenants and not lose one or the other. Of course you then split your time and energy between two so it's a trade off lol
oh right right right, I keep forgetting about how that works, thanks. I don't have SLands yet so Im not thinking about the covenants. ty ty.
Necro is definitely a big upgrade over night fae for resto
For pvp anyway
But necro is also better than night fae for feral tbh
True I think so too but debatable if you run keys and stuff
fleshcraft really blows ss out of the water for what you can do with it
@stray sigil can you tell syfox to update the wowhead guide?
I feel like there should be something about an opener as necro in the rotation part
And the talents section is a bit scuffed
Lunar Inspiration pairs up well with the newly reworked Bloodtalons plus Adaptive Swarm if you are the Necrolord covenant.
Doesn't make sense, LI doesn't get buffed by BT and necros play FF anyway, as it actually has better synergy with Swarm
Just add some stuff related to necro
Like talk about SR as necro, and remove everything about incarn ofc fuck incarn

having a lot of fun in bgs as pseudo feral resto.... most toons don't have a chance lol.....
Isnt Li good for bloodtalon to have the 3 generators in a row? Without needinf to press trash or rake
Then how do you press 3 diff gen in a row
Brutal slash, rake, thrash, shred, you have 4 builders already
The point is
BT doesn't benefit from LI or vice versa at all
LI doesn't benefit from FF either but as necro, you play both LI as well as FF
Because both benefit a lot from Swarm (and Draught for LI)
BT is much more relevant as a bite buff now that it doesn't affect builders (like you'd use BT charge on Rake in the past)
Yeah. I mean, i have only hit a dummy with mt feral yet. I just tought li would smoothen out bt generstion
Like this is all just feelycrafting in a way, but the fact of the matter is everyone plays FF as necro, and that's the only time you'd play LI
Nah you always generate BT charges when you need to refresh Rake
And if the pace of that isn't perfect you use Thrash to fill in another cycle
What
Why did warden sfrike me
Ohhhh i get it. Typin on phone and said night fae woth gg instead of gh
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el patron grant me a feral energy fix
preferably a partial tick refund rather than 2.0 energy

was talking in #balance about using sunfire and minding CCs Im about to try to use.
I notice plenty of guides are written for arena probably because it's a bit more predictable, and able to be broken down into logical text. But I tend to play BGs right now, so there's plenty of those odd situations that are hard to plan for.
I'm wondering, should I be careful with sunfire if I'm nearing high AsP, looking to entangle+solar beam and burst?
because I feel like even trying to grab someone's pet to hibernate would be a waste of attention if I've spread sunfire. I guess the gist I got from the other channel was that I likely won't be looking to burst until the sunfire's already ended?
iam here
Hibernate removes dots
Sunfire isn't meaningful
Roots dont break immediately
They have a damage threshold
You dont make a point of not dotting people just cuz you wanna root beam
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oh, hibernate removes dots? had no idea. so I'd only break it by dotting after applying it? fair.
and that's good to know, I didn't know how roots break- so it's not "chance to break on damage", it's like, an amount of health or something?
leveling fish
i have 200g and some invested
bought gromsblood and ghost mushrooms and deviates
for tbc
u got a dungeon group for launch night?

gonna form grps on release
come guild
which guild are u again
they will
also there is chill grp
if u best cat, u gonna be in team 1 for sure
if u gonna offtank when needed
idk hard to say rn

show me raider requirements maybe i join
chic wants to go tryhard but the game is out tomorrow and they have nothing prepared
so theres a 20% chance of disband soon
more or less
2 days
same thing
im 225 first aid maybe i should get on that tomorrow
@lime light imagine not having 5 digit gold

U druid in classic?
was mage
Tbh i have enchanting a good thought for tbc
now playing druid
bis ring enchants
Gonna focus on herb and mine while leveling
Save all greens
Already got like 26 open world hks
From boosters in EP and near portal
bis healing items
u can fund respecs with fishing dailies
and be both
ez
ok if youre not taking away my cat spot
maybe i should join
u got any cats in there?
bears?

fair
who do i talk to if i wanted to join
still gotta think this through but might be a good idea
establish myself as a top cat on the server
my name will be told by legends
i will ask a guy if u want
yee ask him
ye
100%
i found ur bear tank
cowmasutra
in front of bank
I think i mightve talked to him when aq released
i remember the name
he has nice cat 99s on some bosses

Anyone know what addon you use to track enemey cd's next to their arena frame? Like OmniCD does next to the party frames. I'm knew to pvp and dont know what each ability's icon looks like so using OmniBar is a little confusing who is popping what.
gladius ex
Thank you. Iโll check it out
@clear pulsar i done 2 keys to practice feral. i did 3,5k in a 14 spire and then 3.9k in a 16 ToP. Im improvin man, in 2 3 days ima be up to par to go glad

Did you make any keybind changes or nah?
FERAL TIME
yas
did what you said, tried to match everything
i like classic
its pretty good
i like how raids are one big dungeon and not separate boss arenas
zone into bwl
50 min of nonstop action
then u done
good time
Pounce resisted
i agree

fuck that

I wish there was classic w/o wbuffs
i'd have played that all the way
to naxx
resto feral a lot of fun at low levels in bgs lol
Wich Potency Conduits you pick ? of them and why
Floral Recylcing Evolved Swarm or Ready for Anything Conduits ?
True
Classic mains cope by
Saying a scuffed 15 year old game is good
Xd
Cope
Bingus can suckma nuts

Bingus is wanted in 37 countries for being gay lolmao
The gameplay isnt as bad as I thought but like
Gearing takes 3 times as long as retail, which is already twice as long as it had been in past expansions rn
And then u have attunement quest chains, world buffs, fucking 1h cd hearthstone
And it's so cooked cuz I've seen the same people complain that shadowlands has fake content to bait people into spending more time in-game all while praising classic


Ye thats the fun part

He isnt wrong
Ppl r just
Blinded by nostalgia and unclear memories
From 15 years ago
I have 0 nostalgia for classic
never played it
but hands down best mmo ive ever played
wish there were no world buffs tho
retail wow is an arcade full of minigames
and yea the minigames are good
classic is an rpg
completely different games
Like individually
all content in retail is better
ofc
but in retail the content is barely held together
classic you get one whole experience
its refreshing

u guys think i can find aq40 soft reserve pug 1 day before tbc goes live
i want kitty hammer
@junior plover @stray sigil @lime light do I do this boys?
rejoin
fucking LMAO

Krackes
As RDruid/Frost Mage, one particular matchup that's been giving us trouble is Havoc/Affliction or Havoc/Destro. How would you guys open against these? And after that, how do you aim to win?
Rather, against most double DPS comps we are able to pressure enough on one and CC the other to force a trinket, then lock into a 2v1 in our favor, but against the two above, it feels as if finding those windows is considerably harder, though I don't know enough about either class to understand why.
Hello. I have read that verdant infusion is best legendary for resto druid pvp - does it matter if I go with shoulders or hands?
Literally a clown
Rejoin LUL
Same main stat budget not a massive difference secondary wise, glove slot verdant lets you have an extra 70 haste or sumthing with pvp shoulders. It's nice but not a huge deal.
@clear pulsar wtf would u do that for
Thanks
I hear it's gonna be big for boomie pve next season
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Im reading about what resto does as a spec, and I'm curious, am I right to think that resto might be pretty good for battlegrounds, even if it lacks spot healing? seems like it has decent mobility and such
and lifebloom triggering when it gets dispelled seems super interesting.. Or well wait, does that mean most HoTs can get dispelled? I didn't really think of that until I typed it
Resto has pretty good spot healing
All hots can get dispelled except Cenarion Ward
And Cultivation I guess but no one takes that
I wish
jacket
ah ye
I have no gold, cba doing attunements for shit that will be old in 2 days either
but still playing?
Go fish deviate
pog gold farm
whats now
inb4 u didnt level fishing
nvm i know

no
yes
maybe if u are egirl

epic druid moment
ye
but we live in a pve world for now

engi is mostly for sappers and shit still
U can fish next to Wailing caverns in barrens
40% for deviate fish for savory delight
40s a pop
About 60g/h
Maybe more
That's focken illegal
while i play feral as jungle in 3s, is playing the tnak legendary a good idea against any comps?
Boys get too horny when they see the hot grandma

Yes you can
im boutta queue feral holypriest and my chum is sayin he's goin to play psychic voice instead of chastise stuns 4s
is it me or thats like, 100% not the play
i have a question for the pvp expert. where is @tardy hare
isnt it like 5h30 am in eu
im not sure bout matchtig sleep schedule
but he prolly aint here
Is the draught leggo an absolute must for necro feral? Can't get it until reset but I tried some arenas last night at 190 ilvl and out of 4 matches, I only came close to killing one person. My damage is nonexistant 
190 kinda dog tbh ya
Wtf
how do you guys even lsoe as feral
im learnin how to play and its fuckin smokin
i said to my friend ''we'll tank rating and then its gonna be alright'' we actually fuckin pushin mate
Idk, I just suck I guess.
First time playing feral since Cata I got warrior's tunnel vision and I forget to use my clones.
190 ilvl youโre going to feel like you suck even if youโre rank 1
tell me how i would go about getting the refund
cus blizzard account doesnt allow a refund
litchurally asked how and they sent the exact same worded response lmfao
im not sure i understand you there sunshin. didnt you get the refund from that?
wait, so they said ''we can offer a one time only exception to refund...'' but didnt actualyl refund you?

in the answer it says your character will still be there, but locked, did you verify if you got back your money / wow balance?
and if the toon is locked or not
i can stilll log in
hum
yeah, i guess ticket and send that screenshot as attachement and ask for what he said he'd give ya
hehe
How long ago was that? perhaps he just has some delays in processin too
more than a full day'
that gm is like me when my mother used to ask me to do my room. I'd be like, ''ya ya, i'll do that for you'' and just not do it and keep playin
i wish i was still a kid
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Quite unforch, twas very fun
Greetings boss
It was undeed 5:30
But now its 8;50
So im awake
Gg
10:44 dummies
Maybe he's behind
:o
He in da future
If ur from the future when does our prophet el Patron ascend to owner of dreamgrove @vestal citrus ??
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Nobody know if there's still some high mmr resto who play on stream? All ppl I know play tbc 
Pojke not streaming retail?

@junior plover rare floppa painting

Floppa 
Laker
I've been hardcore pumping dammies
As resto in keys
Necro feral aff with draught ofc
Is there a guardian Druid RBG guide anywhere?

Poggers fam rip that shit up necro GANG 
Back on the list

I'm pretty sure it's a bingus

these two having this discussion all day long
I need to install photoshop again for emotes
He used to be an expert smh
Unluckers what an injustice to our floppa gang

can resto be properly good in RBGs? any tips if so? ^^
most teams seem to want disc/pala/sham
bro u have rilaboom just slap lucha in there
JUST DO IT
Tbf caracals are native to a wide ass range of regions
Are you one of them indian hackers that help me pass college classes on youtube?
Show a caracal
take a selfie
make him come here
and speak to us
u figure it out
Medicham is definitely a monke
Zeraora is a cat monke
It stands like an ape
Moves like an ape
And ooga booga like an ape
what is the best way to get a reliable shield as a feral night fae for stealth?
is there a way?
Reroll kyrian
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But maaaaaaan, feral is fuckin bonkers mate
You liking?

It's a blast for sure bro
There is a reason this is the feral channel
i did my first 10 games last night at the rating 1950. I told my friend we'd tank rating a lot and then have some nice games to get into it. (My friend swapped from disc to holy he never played) we expected doom. We won the very first game against rogue mage and finished the night 6 win 4l i think or smth
fucking bonkers
And i can say for sure i was playin dogshit
which brings me a few questions. dya hold tigers fury for FF or nah?
and do you keep rake/rip up on both targets, 1 target or not really at all as nf
You dont really make a point of bleeding off targets for the sake of it
Just if you plan on swapping then you swap
Definitely rake
Rip it depends, idk if you let rip fall off cuz you did a stupid but then you have a setup going, you just bite imo
And put rip up after
I think I found myself holding FF for next TF more than the other way around but idk
Been so long since I even played pvp

You definitely maintain rip in general, but you may just want to throw bites in on a setup if you happen to not have rip up at the time for whatever reason
kk
not much xp on it yet. for now i usually try rake clone on dps to open and then bash convoke on healer to bust his trinket out
then i see what def they popped and wait for it to go before using berserk tf PI and mashin a go
i wonder if i should wait for stun dr to come off to maim - tf - ff - berserk bite x3
but that leaves me a really small mastery window from niya's grove
If you're convoking on opener I think you just have your priest disorient the off target, rake convoke kill target, then you can use niya mastery on the other target afterwards
Or what I like to do with convoke is going on healers and using it when I get a kick on the relevant school
Like if you kick a rsham on nature they can't stop convoke
Did a lil more spriest feral hpal yesterday, comps gonna be so good in 9.1
Obviously the higher you go the less people will leave themselves open to getting kicked and killed like that
Yeah feral spr is insane
speaking of your priest. mine said soem guides have him take the fear 30s instead of the chastise stun 4s
i feel like chastise stun is mandatory
It just goes damp atm since theres 0 ms and im ne ro
Yeah disorient isntead of stun isn't bad some people say
But like you cant really die
For necro it would be better, because youโll never incap bleeds off anyways.
Also resto affinity is busted
It's more so the priest and how they feel about each matchup
If your multidotting as kyrian that changes how important the stun over incap is.
resto aff? what you need resto aff as feral for anyway? Your regrowth clearcasts are already so massive
I don't think you should be multidotting in 2s as kyrian
That doesn't really do anything tbh
Spriest was perma kt so why not, vortex, and rej swiftmend top him off when hpals derping
Think mw might be better tho in 9.1
havent tried resto aff. but also hasnt played 3s with the feral yet
feel like incap clone is really nice
Yea you kinda miss it tbh
If youve never seen one
how do you know you live where they live


gg
True tbh
holy shit, I haven't won a single match yet, I can't even open properly on people
do I need to pve to get gear at this point? I haven't even unlocked a single pvp reward for the vaukt
Idk you need gear and you can either get gear thru pvp or thru pve
The initial gearing is easier/faster thru questing
The covenant campaign gets you 197 ilvl armor + 187 weapon
Then either m+ with armor stack or rated bg spam for conquest
depending how bad you are, the first step will be to tank your rating to a level where you can win
guess I need to learn to tank, feral has no place in m+ and rbgs are out the window with 0 previous xp, even the 0 cr/chill farm
@blissful belfry I can't tank below 0
thats your cr
literally 0 rated, and can't win
you have to tank your mmr
i started playing with my 140 ilvl ret pal a few months ago, went to 800 mmr before i could win
whats your ilvl
188
yeah, you wont be winning anything with that ilvl, especially if you are a begginer
yu have to tank your mmr to 600-800
before you actually win
damn
it should tank pretty fast
this is insulting lol, I had more luck with my 170 ilvl venthyr warrior
like, in 5 loss
perhaps, it's because I went necro instead of NF for convoking nerds in a stun without trinket? Kinda wanted to play the old style bleed damage, that's why I went necro in the first place
miss cata Rip, that shit was just ridiculous.
incorrect
play guardian or boomy
easy rbg spots even with no xp
for rbg guardian or boomy are really fine
for games at 800 mmr, night fae is prolly BiS
lol
i did some skirmies with a friend to grind him some honor. its just so unfair when 226+ player tag team skirmies

Feral has no place in m+ lol
no one will take a feral over a boomie, fact
No one will take a 190ilvl of any spec
feral is pretty fucking good in m+
no cap
but boomie is just
better in every way
exactly, on both accounts
I havent played with a boomie thats better than me

I also dont invite boomies to my keys ofc
hehe
Real chads owlvoke as feral spec anyway
Truth
What comp besides jungle you guys like
What kind of lock
I do like jungle but I'll take a lockif they better
If youโre good abs the hunter knows how to dps and land traps. Jungle is top tier
More important to play with a consistent group that u can improve with over multiple sessions than playing X or Y comp
And*
You can make most comps of 2 dps 1 healer work, exception for specs that are in the gutter of course.
Do you ever have games where you feel like you can't get out of bear
I've been having that issue at like 1700
I don't handle being trained well lol. Much more comfortable being the off target
Eh thats kind of an awareness thing. You dont have to sit in bear forever just cuz youre below 80%
Go bear on their burst/cc on ur healer
Then blast back
I mean you're right I'll just struggle knowing when to hop out or if I don't have trinket I'm paranoid of getting stunned in cat
I've had games where they'll ride my ass the whole game then I'll just be In bear. maybe that's when I just need to book it and try fora re stealth
Also while I'm talking to myself lmao. If you were to write a guide to being the best cat In jungle is it stun the kill target and off heal ?
Dude rets have been shitting on me
I've just always been under the assumption the goes are on the hunters traps
He traps stun the kill target
Aye which they get off of a stun
Either yours, hunter or priest's
Depending on situation
That alone makes a difference I've been lacking on stunning the healer for him
When I do stun the healer I'll usually just do it planning to cyclone him myself
I've spent most of the xpac playing ww and their comps. So I need to be talked to like a child just learning feral lol
If you sit in bear too much you dont get CP
if you dont get CP you dont get maims to self peel
if you dont get maims you dont get free regrowths
so the answer is
you're sitting in bear too much
that's why you're sitting in bear too much
Hmt is ass bro
I swear you're gonna win more games cuz of 4% crit proc than cuz of bull rush
And you look better on mogs on top of it
There's some classes where their burst feels like it lasts for ever. WW monk being one that comes to mind
Ret paladins have been my biggest pain in the ass lately. It feels like at any moment they can get a 20k crit off
are u feral ?
Yeah feral
vs ww i like to play mass entan
and just root the pets
u cant trade vs a ww with shit up gotta kite
same with ret u see wings u kite/cc
cant fuck with them
Idk why I didn't think of that having been a ww main all our dps is the clones and xeun
I've been fearing them but can do both
I think that's what I needed to hear. I've been headstrong like I'm going to go toe to toe with this ret lol
18k crit says otherwise little cat
Is it ever acceptable to try for an early cheese convoke ? I'll go whole games I feel sometimes sitting on it
I appreciate the advice I'm asking some dumb questions but this shits all new.
In 2s i always open with a stun convoke to fish out a trinket or some def, and then berserk go in the niya's window. But i have 10 games played as feral. take my advice as you'd take it from a child runnin on a sidewalk tellin you how to use your money
ya game is boring
Go out and get drunk before tbc drops tomorrow
If you drink enough your hangover should clear up by the time servers are playable like Wednesday night
Not with that attitude
Lmao true RESIST is the most tilting shit on the planet
"Aight felguard stunned the cheap shot, lemme just coil out into fear....RESIST....nm guess ill just die"
Floppa gang
^ this is definitely fuji
You can tell cuz it's not a real baguette
It's a fake one
r u saying im fat bro
yes
Pls remove yourself from pvp channel ??? @edgy oxide

if hots are already to my arena partner, and Mind Games is applied to me, does the healing being done by those hots revert to dmg? Or would it be any new healing done after MG is applied?
Yes
The buffs existing already dont matter
It's just whatever heal
Regardless of when it was applied
Attention WoW PvPers, the time has come!
This Friday, June 4th, & 2pm PST - I'll be hosting a Shadowlands PvP interview with the one and only @Holinka.
If there are any topics you'd like me to address, please respond to this thread with your questions!
Very excited about this.
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OKAY THIS IS POG????
This was a fucking good one buddy gottem 
Mfer will have 100% dodge chance surely 
No fuckin way

Holinka 
Bingus eating good smh
Might be ok because someone with a brain is asking the questions
Holinka will dodge anyway most likely
Top dog that works for Blizzard
Lmao apes
Use a lil brainer
Sometimes
U are allowed to use it
Top dog on other end
Ofc it's gonna be filtered
But at least we getting something
When you feral frenzy, do you have to wait until you see all 5 combo points to drop a spender or can you just do it the next gcd for full effect?
You will have 5cp by next gcd
The only exception is if your target gets out of your range during the cast
If they become immune to damage you still get 5cp weirdly enough
what comp do i play as feral nf? is it playable with anything other than disc, and can it work in 3s
I dont think he works for blizzard
He's an independent contractor

still under their slipper
And he definitely makes more money from stream than from awc


That's not holinka that's Chris Wilson
Christ wilson ๐
Tian old man living in the past as always
When he used to own the server
I believe fuji taking over soon
Dont ever say
That fatty
Name in my channel
I come back
Once i get every tbc egirl
For myself
Dn?

Nice try
Trying to bait tian into being banned by dyne

Glyph attempting a coup I see I see



ye
It's machtig or face after he gets bored of tbc in 1 week
or maybe we give it to Thyme
he really likes it
true
big true
name change
race faction gender change is illegal
Ok boss
hello who here wanna get gladiator
No thank you
I'd rather not
do we know if necro resto will still be best for pvp in 9.1?
crazier things have happened
but it doesnt look like any other covenant will be good
NF BiS for fun
I would but then people would expect me to be good
u only get namechange if ur name is already taken btw
Necro might be the best for all Druid specs it seems
def not best for boomy
just some cancer gameplay thats all
if u like 50min games u can go necro boomy
Yeah we never know
nf lookin juicy
The 1min convoke?
I mean thatโs why Iโm nf, and have been on my main
I got my ash ready

Iโll be watching all my friends play tbc
Night fae supremacy unite
forgot how hilarious convoke is in 2s actually lol
























