pvp

[cold escarp]

and in this patch just use BOAT

[arctic rivet]

I guess how much does the 235 ilvl one cost soul ash wise?

[cold escarp]

5k

no point crafting it to 190

cause u will have to drop 235 item for 190 item

[arctic rivet]

oh

and I forgot how much soul ash you get per run again?

[cold escarp]

google my friend

i dont remember everything )

[arctic rivet]

google is a piece of shit sometimes

keeps giving me wrong or outdated info a lot....

especially with SL stuff

[haughty compass]

1140 2xlsyer 8s

[clear pulsar]

????

[cold escarp]

????

[clear pulsar]

Why would you not make a leggo

LOL

[blissful belfry]

money!

[cold escarp]

because he got a 235 BOAT

why would he craft a 190 dreambinder

if he wont use it

[clear pulsar]

Eh

I would use the 190 dreambinder tbh

[cold escarp]

because ur shit

[blissful belfry]

nah man

[clear pulsar]

But it's whatever yeah boat is perfectly fine

For kyrian

[cold escarp]

BOAT > dreambinder

[clear pulsar]

BOAT is ass

[blissful belfry]

even kyrian, boat is nice

[cold escarp]

my boy rudar said so

[arctic rivet]

no I have a 210 BOAT

[clear pulsar]

If you're good at the game, you'll crit the surges you need to crit anyway

[haughty compass]

Eye roll

[clear pulsar]

No point adding more crit

[blissful belfry]

lol

[cold escarp]

the harder u press the more % u crit yes i know

[blissful belfry]

the more tilted the other team is, the more likely they are to be critted

[arctic rivet]

eh

[haughty compass]

Pulsar gonna be the move wi th incarn anyway

[arctic rivet]

making 190 leggo isn't expensive its cheap af

I don't mind making it now tbh

[cold escarp]

2 surge crits + 1 hit > 5 starsurge hits

ill fite u

but if ur BOAT is only 210 go for it craft a 190

[clear pulsar]

Not true at all

[haughty compass]

LOL quick Maf

[clear pulsar]

Fite me

Right now

[cold escarp]

look listen

[lime light]

Rats

[clear pulsar]

I only listen to el patron

[lime light]

Yes

[cold escarp]

i got to 2.4 using BOAT and just 2 shotting ppl with double 15k surge

[lime light]

Hi

La putos

[cold escarp]

so im team BOAT to death

(9.1)

[haughty compass]

Team pulsar 9.1

[clear pulsar]

Pykan you must be thrilled

I think boomie are gonna be venthyr in 9.1

In pve

[haughty compass]

Lol

[clear pulsar]

With pulsar prob

[haughty compass]

Feral Venthyr jungle gave me covid never again

[cold escarp]

i dont even know what druid venthyr ability does

[clear pulsar]

Tbh it does so little

No one really knows

[haughty compass]

It’s not good lol

[cold escarp]

good i hate venthyr aesthetic doenst fit druid at all

would be pretty upset if i had to play that

[haughty compass]

I did some frenzyband Venthyr feral

[cerulean stream]

Hello , I have question about balance druid pvp ..

[forest kite]

there is no boost mostly the first month , ppl rush R1 first . Then most ppl sit on it and boost xD . i did 2 glad , the first one early on this season was a joke if u compare it with the second one 1 month ago where you just meet tournament player again & again at 2.4

[cerulean stream]

I am gearing my druid and got 2 items in the vault today a wrist or leg .. the leg is the mastery one not the haste one ..

[forest kite]

u're nightfae ?

[cerulean stream]

Should I get the wrist cause cause it is the right piece or should I get the leg cause it will give me versa

Yes I am nightfae

[forest kite]

u should gear mastery anyway if night fae , i don't know why convoke ppl still gearing haste

[edgy shale]

so im a genius for crafting pulsar

[forest kite]

so get these leg

[cold escarp]

full mastery is kinda awkward cause u cant clone anything

id say go half half

[haughty compass]

Pulsar is my prediction I’ve had a 225 of it for awhile now

[cerulean stream]

I was looking at covenet picker and pcp leader board and and noticed they stack haste heavily

[forest kite]

for real , it make close to no difference at all ,i've both gear , one full haste , one full mastery ( you still have some haste around 8% if full pvp gear ) and the mastery one is just much better .

Most Night fae boomy who still play & push are full mastery

[cerulean stream]

I c .. thanks a lot ! That saved me 875 conquest ..

[haughty compass]

Great thing about vers mastery is u can guardian pretty easily

[cerulean stream]

Have u bought the master head as well

[cold escarp]

worst case u can buy the haste pants later on cause the 10k cap lets u buy every item in the store and have spare conquest

but mastery is just as good

[forest kite]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/fr-fr/character/eu/kazzak/smoodog

https://worldofwarcraft.com/fr-fr/character/eu/tarren-mill/whaazzform

[cold escarp]

didnt whaaz said he intentionally goes mastery for meme oneshots for streams

[forest kite]

i can link like

[cold escarp]

hey i didnt disagree mastery is fun as fuck

[forest kite]

30 night fae boomy top ladder ( who pushed recently ) if u want np , they did like me

they pushed mastery as NF

[cerulean stream]

I am convinced now I am totally new to druids

[forest kite]

i don't know i've play mostly kyrian / dreambinder / full haste the whole season

even as kyrian , if i would do it again

i would play boat & mastery

xD

[haughty compass]

I have both a mastery night fae sruid and a haste kyrian

[cerulean stream]

So would u get mastery head too ?

[haughty compass]

They both work

[forest kite]

the only situation where mastery is a pain in the ass , is a mirror ( or close to ) with both boomy not focused

and with a trash boomy cloning you faster ahah

[cerulean stream]

I don't do much arena I like rbgs ..

Don't know how to survive yet as a boomy

[cold escarp]

when u get stunned press barkskin

when they focus u go bear

[cerulean stream]

I do that

[cold escarp]

but u shouldnt get focused in rbgs

[cerulean stream]

I do that too

[cold escarp]

if u stand in range

use double endurance conduits

auto frenzie and innate rsolve

very good synergy

[forest kite]

without pushing the thing with pve item , if i remember right ( with gems ) you end up with 8% haste and 24/25% mastery

[cold escarp]

ur legendary is mastery/vers?

[forest kite]

y

[cold escarp]

based

[forest kite]

even as kyrian starlord , it feel better

[cold escarp]

i thought about going full mastery

[forest kite]

( i've both , Boat Leg haste , Boat boots mastery )

[cold escarp]

but im not good enough so i copy other ppl like a bot )

[forest kite]

i've both gear

like i said

[cold escarp]

i got both gears too on main other than lego

[forest kite]

i use full haste gear in mirror

where i wanna clone ennemi boomy faster

[cerulean stream]

Am lvling balance of all things

[cold escarp]

but only got both because i got mastery hat and pants from vault

[forest kite]

bro , same

xD

[cerulean stream]

It is the still the best one isn't it ?

[forest kite]

also i got 1H weapon vault before i bought 2h

[cold escarp]

imo its the best some ppl here disagree

[green valve]

Oh true i can run starlord over incarn now as haste kyrian right?

[cold escarp]

yes

[forest kite]

you should run starlord anyway as kyrian

[green valve]

Sweet

[forest kite]

incarn is only good for big boy convoke

[green valve]

I was nf up until yesterday

[forest kite]

and mastery gear feel even better like i said as kyrian starlord

[green valve]

Didnt think to swap tbh

[forest kite]

i was like everyone else , push haste , because haste as caster in pvp was always dope

[cerulean stream]

Off hand one hand is better than staff ?

[forest kite]

but ... mastery gear feel just way better since ppl are tankier now , as NF or kyrian

[cerulean stream]

Kawkaw what legendary ?

[forest kite]

and anyway important clone if u face good ppl are CS anyway , haste or not haste

for now i'm using Boat for both covenant , i was using dreambinder early on

[cerulean stream]

I am using balance of all things on boots

[forest kite]

myself i got glad / pushed everything with dreambinder+Haste gear , but since 1/2 month it become harder to boost ( or help ppl ) since i switcher from haste/dreambinder to Boat/Mastery

i don't know it add just so much more pressure , Yolo kill , and mostly you just trade a little smother gameplay and 0.1s on clone

it's simple , going from full haste to full mastery give you +15% more damage during eclipse ( so mostly Kyrian bond ) , and +30% during incarn

it's pretty big.

[cold escarp]

it makes sense but i wanna hear the other side of argument

need someone who plays full haste

[forest kite]

i was playing full haste xD

[maiden viper]

are rdruids going full haste? see a lot of ppl with mainhand/offhand instead of 2hander

[cold escarp]

oh

[clear pulsar]

Glyph plays damn full haste

Pretty much

Well glyph barely plays tbf

[forest kite]

mostly i've play full haste the whole season + Dreambinder ( or boat when i was nightfae ) , i've swap between both often

but since a month it was i don't know thought to help ppl / boost , and it's much better as mastery ( kyrian or night fae )

the difference is bigger as night fae

you actually feel like you can kill ppl outside of convoke/incarn

[cold escarp]

how much mastery u got?

percentage

[forest kite]

full pvp gear ( without any pve gear ) Gems/Enchant , boat on boots as mastery it's around 8% haste / 25% mastery

[cold escarp]

i have full mastery set outside of lego/weapon

weapon is pretty expensive

[green valve]

So do i make dreambinder as haste or mast now gdi lol

[cold escarp]

but even without i think i can get 20% hold on let me swap my gems

[forest kite]

it should give like 10% haste 22% mastery i guess ?

myself i'm using full mastery ( or haste ) gems and also finger enchant as haste or mastery

wait for the patch to land before doing anything ppl , everything can change from now xD

[cold escarp]

cant go lower haste

cause weapon and legendary

and most gear has haste anyway

[green valve]

I guess i coupd just make the leggo haste and use mastery pcs then

[cold escarp]

i think blizz will add an option to swap stats on lego eventually

[forest kite]

yeah once you have full pvp gear/lego as mastery you drop at +/- 8% and 24/25% mastery

[cold escarp]

cause its pretty dumb once we will get like 300 ilvl legendaries will cost 20k ash or something

[forest kite]

anyway my boat was legs

xD

so i did boots+mastery last week

[cold escarp]

oh so thats even more mastery

cause boots dont have em

real nice

[forest kite]

yeah pvp leg are mastery

[green valve]

I like it

Haste leggo with mastery pcs

Good talk guys

[cold escarp]

yeah when i played NF i always maintain my haste and mastery approx same

was like 15% / 15%

[forest kite]

at this point of the season , i would play full mastery + boat ( on boost with mastery stats ) as night fae or kyrian imo . till the game revolve around burst

i don't even know why we all go for haste ahah

[haughty compass]

My gear is 13% haste 25% mastery 26% vers

[green valve]

F

Mastery leggo it is then

[cold escarp]

its my first season on druid so i kinda just copied what ppol said here lol

[forest kite]

yeah even if i haven't copied anything

[green valve]

I went full mastery on ret too

Feels 10x better then haste

[forest kite]

in my head , haste was the thing to do for pvp as always

who care about a little faster clone

[haughty compass]

Lower gcd too

Faster off heals

[forest kite]

yeah gameplay feel smoother in full haste

still , Big dam

i would 100% play full haste again , if the meta wasn't " One shot ppl or dampening boi "

fact is : if you don't one shot ppl , your damage doesn't matter till hard dampening , so your haste doesn't matter , you want to one shot

[cold escarp]

that was my point earlier with boat over dreambinder

ppl dont trust

[forest kite]

it's like compare Equilibrium with their second legendary for Ele

one give substained damage , the other One shot ability

[cold escarp]

2 crits with BOAT > 5 tickling surges

[forest kite]

One shot ability > all

[cold escarp]

well now u just confused everyone on this discord

[forest kite]

haste is still fine

for average/beginner player , i would recommand haste + dreambinder anyway it's easier

[cold escarp]

yeah but u dont wanna assume they wont get better

so i think its best to recommend ppl whats best

regardless of their skill

[forest kite]

then i recommend to play boat even if sometime it's a pain in the ass to entering eclypse at the right moment

and play full mastery for big dam surge

xD

[cold escarp]

you convinced me

[forest kite]

yeah i wasn't sure of myself , so i've checked every boomy pushing actually and doing well

they ALLLLL play full mastery Boat

[cold escarp]

i still see mostly haste in players who play kyrian

[forest kite]

it's a bit tricky to find who play / who is afk since 3 month 😄

[cold escarp]

but now that i think about it no point going haste if u go BOAT

cause u go for the oneshots

[forest kite]

yeah i was looking on arenamate " recent activity "

or big player who rolled boomy recently you know

they all did the same , go for full mastery

i think it's even more important as NF

[cold escarp]

im just thinking now

kyrian + incarn + boat + 2 starsurges

u can do like 40k dmg

in 2 globals

with 25% mastery

[forest kite]

yeah even a bit more

[cold escarp]

how to check recent activity in arenamate?

[forest kite]

full mastery with dreambinder , i was doing 25k crit

xD

[cold escarp]

yeah but dreambinder u only get crit with luck dont like it

[forest kite]

https://www.arenamate.net/player-activity

[cold escarp]

too bad BOAT is dead in 9.1

[forest kite]

not a big issue

dreambinder is still very very nice

[cold escarp]

yeah

[forest kite]

and we don't know

they could revert the nerf for pvp / do a new leggo

the meta could change a lot

Necroboomy could be a thing .. ahahahah

[blissful belfry]

well, if you have around 40-50% crit baseline Boat stil gives you 100% crit...

lel

[cold escarp]

the convoke legendary actually looks solid for boomy

cause usually by 2 seconds u get stopped anyway

[blissful belfry]

depends if it allows full moon or not

[cold escarp]

i think not

i think it will shoot more surges

which is insanely good too

[blissful belfry]

part of the leggo is full moon more often

[forest kite]

i didn't saw it

[cold escarp]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=354118/celestial-spirits

[forest kite]

can u link it ?

ty

[cold escarp]

its datamined

[forest kite]

u were to fast

[cold escarp]

i was already looking for it

)

[forest kite]

exceptional spell is also surge

[cold escarp]

yeah

it can be insanely good

[forest kite]

and yeah it seem nice

1 min burst

BUT

[tall knoll]

Whats the kyrian specific?

[forest kite]

convoke without Boat you know

xD

sometime feel like lackluster

[cold escarp]

its still good dmg tbh

many times in arena when i played NF

i just use convoke and enemy get so scared they pop defensive

[forest kite]

but yeah quick 2s convoke on Stun with Badge

[blissful belfry]

nahhhh man, convoke no boat is sad cri

[forest kite]

especially if u still get the full big mastery buff

for 30s ahahah

[cold escarp]

u get 8 spells if 3 of them are surges its still 20k dmg in 2sec

[forest kite]

50% uptime boi

[blissful belfry]

only time i convoke outside of incarn window is to get niya mastery buff and then triple surge in the boat window of incarn a bit later when im scared of kicks

[clear pulsar]

Exceptional spell is full moon

[cold escarp]

oh damn didnt even think of the mastery buff

[tall knoll]

Then might as well go kyrian and dont worry about getting silenced

[cold escarp]

50% uptime on 420 mastery is insane actually

[forest kite]

i never convoke outside of incarn even if i've to die

ahahah

[blissful belfry]

^

[clear pulsar]

Grove invigoration scales with spell cd

[blissful belfry]

^

[clear pulsar]

You get fewer stacks from a lower cd spell

[forest kite]

yes but in pvp

[cold escarp]

yeah but will it scale with legendary cdr?

[forest kite]

fullmoon are replaced by surge

[blissful belfry]

well. full moon replaces surge

its a back and forth

[clear pulsar]

[forest kite]

mostly i read it like : in pve more change to get full moon , in pvp more chance to get more surge

[clear pulsar]

Dont think thats how it works but whatever

[forest kite]

have to wait some testing i guess

[cold escarp]

i dont think they have an algorithm for it they just manually set amount of stacks for each class

[blissful belfry]

exceptionnal spell replace a spell from your main form. And in pvp you can have them

[cold escarp]

because its not like theres many cooldown reduce in this game

[forest kite]

btw since boat is gutted , they can give us back full moon anyway ahah

[blissful belfry]

full moon doesnt ''repalce a surge'' it repalces a boomy spell

[clear pulsar]

They can set a modifier to you using a cd reduction legendary as well??

[blissful belfry]

and it being taken out isnt for a surge, its for a boomy spell

[forest kite]

yes full moon replace a shit like wrath

so in pvp

it's a surge replacing a wrath

for exemple

[clear pulsar]

Lol

What

[blissful belfry]

not sure about that

[clear pulsar]

Ok

[blissful belfry]

sounds theory more than facts

[cold escarp]

they can but blizz never pays attention to small details

look for example icy veins conduit and ice form interaction

[forest kite]

convoke is theory since the start in fact we don't know how they did it exactly ahahah

even them they are lost

[blissful belfry]

true

[clear pulsar]

They never pay attention to pvp** details

[forest kite]

my point is : dev are lazy

[clear pulsar]

Pvp is minigame

[forest kite]

to remove full moon

[blissful belfry]

no they arent lazy

they are R word

[clear pulsar]

Yeah the devs dont actually play wow

[forest kite]

i'm pretty sure they replaced it with surge in pvp situation , easy job

[clear pulsar]

Theyre smarter than all us sheep

[forest kite]

i would've to that if i was dev

do*

[blissful belfry]

nah they prolly went to the ''Full moon have can happen with x%'' and made that 0

like torghast anima that increase full moon chacnes

they just bumped the number up

[clear pulsar]

Yeah the torghast power is fully cracked. 4 full moons in one convoke or something.

[forest kite]

the thing i noticed , before full moon was deleted , convoke was like 4 surge + a chance to full moon

it was mostly 4 surge with a full moon or not

now it's 4 surge and sometime 5

but like u said , it's an theory

[cold escarp]

my theory is that before convoke was 5 spells so like 20% chance to get each, it turned to 4 spells so 25% chance to get each

[forest kite]

simple , if this lego make your Convoke cast more Surge into 8 spell , it's for sure a bis legendary for NF

if not , it's trash

xD

for this legendary , you want 3 surges in your 1 min convoke

if it's two

it's crap

[cold escarp]

3 surges in 2 sec every min is bonkers yes

[forest kite]

y + 30s mastery buff , using it with badge , line up with beam

[cold escarp]

and u get some AP from it cause it also cast few wrath/moonfire

so u can do another surge after

[forest kite]

and it's pretty fucking fun

i would even convoke around 60/70 ap

to surge x3 after convoke

[cold escarp]

i was already doing that when i played NF

nothing lives full convoke into 3 surge

[forest kite]

y i already convoke around 80 AP

even full

😄

[cold escarp]

yup

fuck now ur making me wanna swap back to NF

lucky i got 40 in both covs so its no issue

[forest kite]

not really i still prefer kyrian

BUT

these fucking 1 min convoke

i would love it

[cold escarp]

ye

[forest kite]

not broken because no boat anymore

strong

fun

and 1 min burst is meta

[cold escarp]

well fuck

i just crafted a haste / versa BOAT on my alt like 2 days ago

time to level a 3rd alt

just to try full mastery

[forest kite]

now imagine

new talent DK reduce the range of ppl

[cold escarp]

imagine if this game wasnt dogshit and we could swap stats on legendary

[forest kite]

their setup is 1 min

[cold escarp]

🥲

[forest kite]

Mw monk buff

Mass grip yolo burst + leg sweep + root beam + convoke

every min

❤️

so or ppl are FAR away to avoid dk grip ( can't counter your convoke )

or they are into the setup , even if they trinket it , their range is reduced , they can't counter it also if u're max range

kek

[cold escarp]

you EU or NA btw?

[haughty compass]

I’m going to mess around with pulsar. I play with a lock, more kill opportunities the better

[cold escarp]

if u play incarn does pulsar proc incarn instead of CA?

[clear pulsar]

Wut

Lol

It procs the one you have

Of course

[cold escarp]

ur saying it like its obvious

i just found out what is pulsar like 20 min ago

[clear pulsar]

Its just that

The effect has been in the game since legion

As a legendary, then an azerite power, now a legendary again

[cold escarp]

i started playing druid in december 2020

first time ever

those bear emotes are the best

[pine hatch]

adaptive swarm split - worthwhile pvp legendary for feral?

[gloomy token]

Please someone tell me that lego isn't garbage rng bullshit

[cold escarp]

i guess he mean this

https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=354123/wrathful-swarm

from the PTR

[green valve]

damn it

mast or haste on dreambinder

you guys got me debating both lol

[arctic rivet]

Haste I believe

[cold escarp]

haste is the safe pick

if u go mastery u better use BOAT

[arctic rivet]

Which is getting gutted so...

Haste is just amazing for most casters

[cold escarp]

yeah but next patch im going full mastery + dreambinder i think regardles

will have enough haste from gear

without actively looking for it

and big crits are fun

[neon rover]

if i want to craft a legendary to do some RBGs as Balance, should i still go with BoAT or now that'll be nerfed i should craft Dreambinder as a solid choice to use now and when 9.1 start?

Ok, ty

[edgy ember]

Guardian use Versa, Haste in rbg ?

ty

[arctic rivet]

need help with addons and UI

I deleted all my addons to reset everything and I can download again to have a better PVP ui

bec the one I had was shit

can someone recommend me or send me a list of addons you guys use plz?

[cold escarp]

https://youtu.be/psSOiWVz8P0

i copied this guy cause hes really good

[sly marsh]

Xaryu’s the GOAT

[stray sigil]

that swarm lego doesnt even look good lol

whats the lego for kyrian @clear pulsar

wowhead says like

50% more on kindred

[blissful belfry]

Sounds super underwhelming

No gameplay modification, no special knacks. just ''oh, your things just does more''

[tall knoll]

Well the convoke one is "your thing does less on less cooldown"

[green valve]

ngl glad i swapped

kyrian boomies mad fun

[haughty compass]

I’m messing with a 190 pulsar atm. It’s nice to have something new

Can really time some big surges more often

[cold escarp]

if the "use exceptional spells more often" applies to starsurge it def has its uses, especially since BOAT is dead in 9.1

so only half of this legendary works in pvp?

well thats just stupid then

[fair zinc]

Convoke one can be played if it doesnt affect Invigration (i.e. you still get the same buff as for baseline 2min CD) since it will drastically increase the mastery buff uptime. I also wonder what will happen to "epic spell" component in PvP. Will it just be gutted? Who knows... the lego is not even confirmed for PvE yet I believe

[cold escarp]

if it will give the same amount of niya stacks its still decent

400 mastery and 16% health for 30 sec every minute

sounds busted

[haughty compass]

I mean relying on convoke for wins at this pt is a bit of a troll

The mastery buff is where it’s at

[cold escarp]

even 2 surges in 2 sec is fine tbh

and its free surges

[slender orchid]

Seeing two feral legos being used mostly according to the pvp ladder... is that based on match up, cov or ???

[stray sigil]

@slender orchid which one do u see

[potent meadow]

Hello fellow druids, finally got around to making a WA i've wanted for awhile, its a cyclone progress bar that expires exactly when you should re-cast to keep them cycloned. So you know the exact timing to do a double/triple clone. https://wago.io/OgifZEjeA if anyone needs

[magic sparrow]

amazing. thanks for this

[arctic rivet]

I did it....

I changed to Kyrian now....

tho I dont have enough gold to get the new fucking dreambinder lego....

so gotta wait on that for a bit

farm leather or BOEs for now

well at least I can do the triple owl pet thing

me in boomy form with a Steward and a mini Steward companion

maximum BIRB

[dusk escarp]

Anyone played kyrian resto? When I read the ability it seems like the same healing increase on the target as necro (30%), just with longer cd

Not sure why ranked so low in guides for resto pvp

And the mastery is stronk enough to blow away kyrian?

Gotcha. And shield is better than kyrian pot

Ooo tru

[arctic rivet]

How do you macro Kindred Spirits?

Bec when I use kindred it gives me a buff that enables me to use lone spirits for the 15 damage boost

How can I make it my burst macro with that as it does not share a GCD

[random patrol]

/cast Lone Empowerment

[pale field]

what spec are you playing kyrian in?

[arctic rivet]

Balance

I wanna know the exact macro you guys use because Kindred has a gcd

But the min its uses it turns to a 1 min cd spammable lone empowerment

So is there a way in the beginning of a match the macro only uses the Kindred spirit buff but not the other off GCD abilities but after I get the buff I can use it?

Or do I have to separate it like kindred be somewhere else and my macro is the burst with lone empowerment instead?

[green valve]

I dont i just use it in the lobby

Owl get pots kindred hop around till gates open

[arctic rivet]

Ah ok

And whats the talents for Kyrian boomies?

Center everything except for the first one being left side?

[green valve]

Im using double potency double endurance atm

Increased celestial and the fury one

And well honed and innate

Socket the finesse one at the top and swap in lobby if you think you need the better phial

[arctic rivet]

Can you send me a screenshot of your talents plz? That would be easier ^^;

[green valve]

Rip putting the baby down for bedtime lol

[arctic rivet]

Whenever you can plz take your time

[green valve]

Jk just used the calculator running that

[arctic rivet]

I mean actual class talents but this helps still

Not soulbinds

[harsh jasper]

So just to be clear, with the new PVP gear changes, there will not be any glad level weapons? Will it be transmog only?

[foggy ravine]

they are just changing the ilvl scaling for pvp gear

they arent taking a tier out

[arctic rivet]

these are my talents

are these good for Kyrian Boomie?

or is there something that needs changing?

[foggy ravine]

wild charge is nice for mobility but I feel like thats preference

[arctic rivet]

ah ok

so root/beam is normally used in more situations than Mighty Bash?

or is Mighty Bash better to have as your general use

ah ok

[green valve]

Or you forget to swap pregame and root beam rdruids to flex at them

[slender orchid]

@stray sigil Eye of Fearful Symmetry and Draught of Deep Focus...according to pvpleaderboard.com at leawst

[foggy ravine]

draught is necro druids

symmetry is all others

[stray sigil]

^ pretty much

[terse zealot]

Any guardian druids around the 220 rival level - what is your vers?

I have around ~1k with mostly 220 pvp gear and some pve

[lime light]

I see no changes, all I see is racist faces

[cinder saddle]

Any try necro guardian in rbgs?

[plain falcon]

What's the best legendary for Feral PvP?

[obtuse ice]

u're the legendary one 😳

[slender orchid]

Any idea if any of the covs will scale better with next increase in secondary stats?

[plain falcon]

What makes you say I'm the legendary one? I prefer Feral over Balance in all content

[forest kite]

is it viable to play night fae as resto dru? is necrolord taht much impactful that its worth the change?

[lime light]

its way better

[forest kite]

and you guys dont have a guilty conscious for losing the thematic aspects? 😄

[lime light]

if u are a simp just stay nf

[forest kite]

nahh id rather have the elite set than simp

and i heard convoke dying in 9.1, looks like moonkins are rerolling kyrian

[gloomy token]

Real talk is losing 16% crit off one legendary really gonna kill boomy convoke in pvp?

You'd still obliterate people with proper cross cc and root beam though

And can maybe run other shit yeah

Could maybe do new nf lego if you can get ~3 surges out of it

1 min goes seem p good

[junior plover]

[arctic rivet]

So....

Dk’s gonna be a dead class in 9.1?

[lime light]

hearthstop aura is 2nd most bugged ability in the game

right after mc

it works so weird

[pine hatch]

hold up

where does it say pvp scaling change pardon my ignorance

[lime light]

there is not pvp scalling

since sl release

pvp gear gonna scale in pvp in 9.1

[pine hatch]

yeah i mean where do you get that info from

the 9.1 part

[lime light]

blueposts

[junior plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-on-pvp-item-levels-in-patch-9-1-pvp-items-have-13-item-levels-in-pvp-321857

This is a joke right

Lmao

Basically only change here is that our gear will be worthless in pve now

[arctic rivet]

Well at least that will kill the boosters

[junior plover]

For pvp purposes nothing changes from 9.0

[arctic rivet]

But fuck pve is gonna be a pain in the fucking ass

Isn’t wod gearing supposed to stop glad ilvl monsters carrying low ilvl freshly capped 60s?

[lime light]

who cares

retail gonna be ded

in 9.1

9.2 is come back, ppl got bored withj tbc

[arctic rivet]

Maybe lol

Or retail fully dies

And blizzard makes SL the finale

[lime light]

na, 9.2 gonna be good

[arctic rivet]

Bec of how bad the game is dying rn

[junior plover]

Bro retail is literally on the rise every expansion

It was never this profitable before

It has never had this many players before

It's not dying nor will it die soon

[lime light]

game is super popular at the begining of ixpac, but after blizzard is braindamgured

and making big gaps between patches

[junior plover]

But lmao this is literally the worst change they could've gone for

I feel like I'm crazy

Reading it

[lime light]

u are drunk

[junior plover]

I am right

[lime light]

in wotlk there was easly more than 10kk

subs

[junior plover]

Shadowlands was the best selling game of all time

[lime light]

now u dont even have 2kk

that means nothing

[junior plover]

That means it sold more than wotlk lmao

[lime light]

in opener sure

[junior plover]

With all the microtransactions and all that shit

They're easily making more money than wotlk

Wow probably pulls more money than all of Blizz did in 2009

I'm pretty sure when BWL dropped they reported highest sub numbers of all time

[lime light]

12kk~~ subs

[junior plover]

The game is doing fine

[lime light]

was soo insane

[arctic rivet]

Thats because there are more people in this piece of shit planet

Back in wrath there was less people

[junior plover]

Yeah I'm not saying the game is as good

[arctic rivet]

But percentage wise its still the peak of wow

[junior plover]

The market grew

[arctic rivet]

SL is fucking shit in comparison

It has more sales due to MORE PEOPLE EXISTING AND BUYING

[junior plover]

But game sure as hell isn't dying it's still one of the most profitable games on the planet

[arctic rivet]

Eh it kinda is now

Due to how delayed shits been

But thats due to covid but still

People are very fed up

[lime light]

no, due to corona KEKW

[arctic rivet]

Especially the balance of this game too

[lime light]

legit nothing to do

for most of the ppl

so they play games

[arctic rivet]

Most of the Dks quit wow already or rerolled

[lime light]

poe 2 tomorrow

cye wow

[junior plover]

Poe2 probably in 2024

Tbh

[arctic rivet]

Mother fucking Mes

Deleted his DK

That fucking panda nammed Wraithwok

That topped in arenas

HE DELETED HIS DK BEC OF THE PTR

[junior plover]

I think the 1800-2100 bracket will be easier on boosts

[arctic rivet]

thats how bad the situation is

[junior plover]

If you're deleting your dk because of the first patch of ptr

Then you have mental issues lmao

[arctic rivet]

I’m not lol

But I’m saying the situation for Dks is grim rn

[viscid remnant]

el batron smoking krek

what is 2kk subs

???

[arctic rivet]

But I’ve been slowly becoming a boomy main especially with how horrible Blizzard treats the class

[junior plover]

Yeah it's an europe thing

Eastern europe

[viscid remnant]

just say 2m ?

[junior plover]

We say kk for mil

In games

[lime light]

o wy kurwy

brudasy

[junior plover]

True^

[lime light]

also

dk's aura should be deelted

long time ago

bugged ass spell

[junior plover]

Give feral instant cyclone

Thanks

[lime light]

and fdk is insane

[junior plover]

[lime light]

anyway

[junior plover]

We just gonna pretend the new aura isn't good also?

[lime light]

grip < limb > lag sweap > chill streak > syndra

and someone dies

or healer spends 50% mana

outhealing it

[junior plover]

The new aura will give more love to dk+caster

So there's some variety

Instead of being a grip bot lmao

[lime light]

the aura looks like shit

if it was like Delirium

stacking + being on target even if u are getting kited

sure

but its an aura, so fok it

bad

[junior plover]

Idk i feel like dk will sit on enemy caster

And healer will max range them

With a finger up his ass

Meanwhile enemy healer has to come to grip range

[lime light]

big renown farmer

need 30

[junior plover]

I'm gonna download ptr

Just to submit a bug report

Saying the gear is shit

Doing my part

[lime light]

who cares

gear is fine

nothing changes for me

[junior plover]

I want an alt

[arctic rivet]

The issue is....

[lime light]

gearing alt early on in the new ssn

is easy

problem is catching up

[arctic rivet]

Dks new talent DOES NOT AFFECT BLINK OR LOCK TELEPORTS OR SOULSHAPE

[junior plover]

No it won't be now that people start the 2nd season with 220 gear

And my priest is 180

[arctic rivet]

Those casters can easily fuck off and escape the Dk now

Thus removing a lot of pressure Dks originally had

[lime light]

WHO CARES u grip lag sweap

[junior plover]

I mean yeah mage will still fuck dk

[lime light]

and do pve unhealable

damg

[junior plover]

What do u want

[arctic rivet]

And mage is the most popular class rn

[junior plover]

For it to affect teleport?

[arctic rivet]

So its very grim for Dks

Yes actually

[junior plover]

Take away Warlocks only defense

Vs you

Pve ing

[arctic rivet]

If it did that then the talent wouldn’t be that bad

[junior plover]

Them to death

With no counterplay

[lime light]

thats why u have Delirium?

[junior plover]

Like

[arctic rivet]

It only affects ability that has MOVEMENT ENHANCEMENTS

Blinks, teleports and lock ports does not get affected

Leap doesn’t get affected

[junior plover]

Yeah because otherwise it'd be broken lmao

Like what

Grip a warlock

Win the game

[arctic rivet]

Only abilities that buffs your speed like dash for example

[junior plover]

Literally

No counterplay

The fact that it affects movement abilities at all

Is kinda ridiculous tbh

So most specs in the game can't even escape the grip now?

You get gripped you have to sit there

Getting bodied

So up until like 3k rating DKs actually got a massive buff to their melee cleave?

[lime light]

dk and dh's always cry a lot if they spec isnt 1vs3

dh cries, that they can kill someone only once per 1 min 30 sec

[junior plover]

If a druid is not NF

They literally have to eat the entire monk dk cleave

For like 30 seconds

Wild charge away lmao

Same with Monks same with DH DK Hunter whatever else

DH is nf i guess

[lime light]

i kinda wanna retail to be good

cuz i will get anoyed af with tbc feral

not being able to shift

cuz mana

no

tbc gonna be more fun for a bit

just gonna hate myself

being oom after playing my class

and shifting

[junior plover]

U can shift like 50 times

In arena

Before going oom

In tbc

Watch some gameplay

It's fine

U just have to pay attention to when u shift so that Mana regen has a chance to kick in

[lime light]

its around 300-400 mana

with 8-9k mana pool

not too bad

[junior plover]

Yeah it ain't classic anymore

Where you'd get 8 shifts total in bis gear

And u get innervate

So before you run oom

You can Innervate to like full Mana almost

Resto feral kitty cleave will be BROKEN

I'm telling you

Don't sleep on it

[lime light]

fmp

[chrome fossil]

I'm night fae, playing mostly resto in pvp, and I am not doing very well, cant hit 1600 even. I know the top players are necrolords, would changing be a significant change, or if I cant hit 1600 with fae, I probably wont as necro either?

[junior plover]

Necro is quite a bit better

It's mostly your own skill holding you back but obviously playing the better spec will be easier

Hard to say whether or not it will be the deciding factor

[chrome fossil]

In BFA I hit 2k, I don't know how I can get worse playing this game...

I think I'll mostly miss night fae in PvE, convoke tops the group in M+, which is mostly what I do.

[junior plover]

2k in bfa last season is about 1.5k right now

[chrome fossil]

Yeah, sounds about right

[junior plover]

1.8k is top 8%

If you wanna keep it for pve you just gotta put more effort into finding what you're doing wrong

You can totally hit any rating as nf

But pre necrolord changes resto druid was considered a weak spec

That's basically what you're playing

[chrome fossil]

I see

Alright, fair enough, thank you

[clear pulsar]

Bro pls stop talking about this % distribution shit

It's so off

Necro is quite a bit better

If you aren't doing mythic prog I don't see a good reason to stay night fae tbh

[chrome fossil]

So you would say switch?

[clear pulsar]

Yeah if you want to give yourself the best chance to win

[chrome fossil]

I dont raid, just do some M+

[clear pulsar]

My take on this in the resto channel has been that necro is far better (or less behind) in m+ than night fae is in arena

Mostly because resto is such a strong spec for healing 5-man content, and most of the time you just use Convoke for damage anyway

[obtuse ice]

@stray sigil

[weak hinge]

necro will be big in 9.1 for m+

[brave shuttle]

Necro is a lot better. I would swap if you can: it helps boost your healing if someone is getting trained via AS and it also helps you survive if they swap you through frictionless coating and also if you can flesh craft immune HoJ/Stormbolts. Those two are pretty telegraphed at least

[ebon vortex]

NF is significantly worse than necro but it's still possible to get a decent rating, was 1750 on my NF at one point

but necro is basically just a constant 33% hot buff

which is insanely good

you can also cast swarm in any form

[clear pulsar]

Not only hot

Also buffs the direct heal of Regrowth

:)

And is an extra mastery stack

So it's really a 40%+ buff

[ebon vortex]

yup

[clear pulsar]

Also buffs ysera's gift which is technically not a hot

[ebon vortex]

lol didn't know that

[clear pulsar]

I think it buffs Efflo and the direct heal of Tranq as well

Basically the only thing it doesn't buff is Swiftmend

[ebon vortex]

can understand efflo

[fiery hamlet]

any arena noob rdruids keen to queue 2s games and learn arena? dm me 🙂 am arms war NA/OCE servers

[sick arrow]

@fiery hamlet eu?

[fiery hamlet]

sorry should have specified na/oce

[sick arrow]

ah

was about to ask, if anyone is willing to watch me play some games and give me constructive advice id appreciate it, im only 1250~ but want to improve 🙂 in pvp gear like 210 23% vers

[clear pulsar]

The DH discord probably has your answer

[ebon vortex]

they should make the hunt and fel rush deal more damage imo

feel like it should be criting for 30k tbh

[clear pulsar]

Shit's so one shotty

Entire game is

[ebon vortex]

dh is a sleeper rn fr

with proper support it can clap

darkness leggo is a really good defensive

and blur is still amazing

[low glacier]

what soulbind do I use

for 2s

@clear pulsar ur gamer help me

[clear pulsar]

Night fae?

[low glacier]

yea

[clear pulsar]

Niya

[low glacier]

conflux tfb poison?

note im playing frenzy cos pump

[clear pulsar]

Yeah

[low glacier]

tyty

and well honed for sure right

[clear pulsar]

Well honed GOAT

[low glacier]

I'll have to change that cause i have innate

[viral granite]

is necro just alot better even for feral or is fae still bis

[safe heart]

necro , fae and kyrian are all viable
venthyr is not

necro and kyrian are contending for the #1 slot with night fae probably being solid pick but behind both of those by some margin

if you care about doing pve even alittle you should stay night fae probably

(this is all concering feral specifically)

[blissful belfry]

whats the school of adaptative swarm?

is it nature

[pallid vessel]

boys when i visit other #pvp channels in discords for my alts, they are super cringe compared to the druid channel

dead af

[ashen smelt]

shadow

the only nature one is convoke

[blissful belfry]

kk thx. Not ''extremely'' relevent since its instant, but at least you can cast it after being cut on nature

[ashen smelt]

yeah thats part of the strength, at least as resto

not that its commonly used for that, just helpful if you mess up

[blissful belfry]

if convoke was another school as nature, it would gain a whole lot of value for rdruid

still weaker than necro

but much better than right now

[ashen smelt]

yeah.

i can't recall many specs that you can spell lock that also share spell schools with primary abilities

like for example, divine toll is technically an arcane spell

so locking a paladin on holy won't stop it.

[blissful belfry]

spriest with mindgames i guess

otherwise, whos there

[ashen smelt]

true

[blissful belfry]

yeah, pretty much that

[cold escarp]

i think DKs cant use some spells if they get kicked on fleshcraft

their kick is shadow school i think

[viral smelt]

playing mostly feral but I do guardian for dungeons.....I'm NF now, should I swap to kyrian or Necro? I find convoke mostly boring anyways

[safe heart]

i think necro would be better for guardian while also being really strong for feral

[harsh jasper]

based on the blue post here :

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-on-pvp-item-levels-in-patch-9-1-pvp-items-have-13-item-levels-in-pvp-321857

In their write up, its not very clear, but it seems like PVP gear stops at duelist level

Otherwise, the PVP Elite Weapons would have a baseline of 259, scaling to 272 in both world PVP and BG/Arena

[lost bolt]

Anybody know what the Berserking buff in BG's respawn timer is? Duration is 1 minute for sure.

[harsh jasper]

Might have a baseline of 252, but that +13 scaling would have a significant difference

So either the Elite Weapons will be 252-259 baseline, scaling to 265-272.....

I am just curious why they didn't list the weapons in their write up

Makes me wonder they will stop the gear at duelist, scaling to 259.

[blissful belfry]

What i hate about that new system is that i do both pvp and pve. Any weekly vault i decide to pick a PvP option, i will pass on a better PvE option and be behind by 1 item. Any weekly vault i decide to pick a PvE option, i miss out on a better pvp option and i end up 1 pvp item behind Pvp'ers. And this gap widens for every week you pick the vault from the other content.

So i'll have to be 100% PvE and be shat on in PvP. Or be 100% PvP and be benched in my mythic raid. Or be half/half and suck at both

This system would be fine / better if they brought back the separate pvp vault / pve vault

[clear pulsar]

Yeah I hate that

And was being mocked by a guildie cuz apparently this is a flawless solution that admits criticism

[blissful belfry]

yeah my guildies are the same. Pure pve players that havent stepped foot in a single pvp situation. ''Yeah this change is perfect''

sure

[lime light]

From my pov

Only pvp

Its w/e

Till pvp gear is the best

For pvp

[blissful belfry]

If i was 100% pvp i probably wouldnt mind. Gives an actual edge to pvp players against overgeared mythic raider coming in

[arctic rivet]

So with my Verse/Haste boomy build

I can just easily alt to Resto druid if I just get the right resto leggo right?

[stray sigil]

[arctic rivet]

If so thats gonna be awesome bec my issue with my Hpal is he’s built specifically for Hpal and can’t alt well to Ret due to his gear being Verse/Crit

And Rets use Verse/Mastery

[minor galleon]

This may be a hard question to answer, so asking in both discords . I’m playing Hunter and we have a priest healer and tinkering with either Jungle or Cupid. Our other partner has both a Paladin and Druid. However, he healed on his Paladin and was Guardian/Boomkin on Druid. He Crit (some haste) on his Paladin then, and Haste (some mast) on his Druid.

Would Ret or Feral be less gimped by having the wrong stats? Or to frame it positively, which would work better given the incorrect stat allocation. Paladin is 220ilvl Druid 225 ilvl.

Oh his Druid is also NF.

Paladin Kyrian

[obtuse ice]

Nice tits

[cold escarp]

this new pvp gear sounds like pain in the ass for alts

the covenant gear wont be good entry gear for arena anymore

will have to grind out honor gear first

[cinder saddle]

The somehow managed to make an already shitty alt gearing experience worse

They made it decent for dragonslayers with their upgrade system, but we got screwed

[blissful belfry]

yeah imagine gearing an alt at mid-season trying to push rating so you can get and upgrade your gear, but facing people at 1400 rating with full 1600-1800 pvp gear they got earlier in the season or in rbg

[stray sigil]

[cold escarp]

thats not even worst part

when u hit 60 u are 160 ilvl and u will face ppl who will have 240 ilvl in pvp even in bgs

thats like 60% more hp and 60% more dmg

and 240 is the lower end of the pvp gear

[clear pulsar]

Maybe the base honor gear comes out at normal raid ilvl

[blissful belfry]

from 200 ilvl boomy to 226, my surge do double dmg

[clear pulsar]

Without needing to upgrade

We'll see

The power creep is pretty insane tho

[blissful belfry]

yeah

my scrub ret alt crit final verdict for like, 10-11k at 206 ilvl

meanwhile i get hit for 26k through barkskin

[cold escarp]

yeah idk how the ilvl scale works but it feels so insane

you'd think it scales linearly so 200 to 220 ilvl is 10% more dmg

but nope

blizz logic

[blissful belfry]

yeah blizz likes it when ''new pieces feel stronger'' but they might overdo it a bit. especially when all these pieces individually give you a power creep. when you combine that on an entire gearset you end up trucking

[cold escarp]

we gonna end up with 150k hp by end of expansion

[blissful belfry]

bfa we started at 8-10k dps i believe. ended at 130k

[cold escarp]

jeez

[blissful belfry]

here we started at 6-7k dps

depending what system they implement, we can spike hard

[clear pulsar]

Nah lol

Uldir we were doing easily over 20k dps

[blissful belfry]

corruption was massive tho

[clear pulsar]

It's not even just gear

It's conduits, how long will it take for new characters to have 252 ilvl conduits without raiding?

And bigger power gap

[cold escarp]

i think they will scale up the world quest rewards

[clear pulsar]

For not having potencies etc

Like right now in pve

A conduit is like 3% dps

[cold escarp]

im still with 200 ilvl conduits on my main dont care enough to do mythic for them lol

[blissful belfry]

yeah, every system they add power creeps us too

[clear pulsar]

Next patch it'll be what, 5%? And 1 more, so it goes for 2 * 3 to 3 * 5

[blissful belfry]

but yeah your right, i thought for some reason early bfa was 8-10k, but that was before stepping in raid i think

[clear pulsar]

And with the energy bullshit you cant swap as much

If you have one soulbind you wanna use for multiple specs you're fucked

Especially if the covenant conduit sucks, like kyrian

Kindred cd reduction is completely worthless

[cold escarp]

fuckk lets stop before i quit this shit game entirely

[blissful belfry]

hehehehehehe

[clear pulsar]

They needed to add extra potency slots laterally

[vague bough]

What's the new PvP legendary with boat nerf?

[clear pulsar]

So you can slot in at the same time a potency for pve and one for pvp, or one for feral one for resto, etc

[clear pulsar]

You'll probably have an answer in 10 weeks when the patch goes live

[blissful belfry]

probably dreambinder, but boat isnt nerfed yet. its in a few months

[clear pulsar]

There is no boat nerf in the game as of now

Unless you're asking cuz you want to climb some PTR rating

[blissful belfry]

the entire meta risk changing in 9.1

[vague bough]

But if the change does go 24% down from 40% crit is insane

[blissful belfry]

you might not be NF or kyrian anymroe in pp. can chage leggo meta

[blissful belfry]

Doesnt change how you play live

you'll only change your things at 9.1

in a few months

i kinda want a venthyr leggo that goes ''reduce ravenous frenzy duration by 50%, but you gain 100% haste during it and your gcd are reduced by half''

[vague bough]

I know, just curious and figuring out what I should think about making next

[clear pulsar]

I just want ravenous frenzy to linger at max stacks for a bit

Like instead of 20s of ramp

You get 15s of ramp then the stacks linger for 10s afterwards

[proven wave]

That sounds good like a break from fearing of being stunned

[tropic panther]

how tf will we kill mistweaver monks as feral after this patch lol

[clear pulsar]

By having them nerfed before patch goes live

There is no chance they go live like that

I hope!?

[tropic panther]

lol

[cold escarp]

8 hours of 2s on my alt

this is pain

[white sun]

do kyrian boomie empower themselves or partner in arena?

[cold escarp]

self

[white sun]

ok ty

[lime light]

Apes

Baboons

[arctic rivet]

Do rbgs

[lime light]

Peasants

U q up

[arctic rivet]

Rbgs is the easiest way to get conquest

[tropic panther]

what class / ilvl is your alt @cold escarp

[lime light]

Lose 40 games

In 2s

And then start playing

Essa conquest

[arctic rivet]

Also the boat nerf will effectively delete or remove most of the 1 shot convoke thanos snap boomies

[cold escarp]

boomy 185 ilvl

and my bud is pala 160 ilvl

[arctic rivet]

Timeworn is going to be the best leggo