pvp

[cold escarp]

ye

[gloomy nova]

If u have decent pvp achievements u can get into good alt grps.

Thats what i was able to do

[cold escarp]

when was it

[gloomy nova]

What do u mean

[cold escarp]

what time during the season

cause in first couple of months having 180 was okay

[gloomy nova]

Few weeks ago

[cold escarp]

now having 180 ilvl is kinda impossible

even avg dudes have 210 now

[gloomy nova]

I mean when i finished the questline i upgradee my gear. Bought like 2-3 honor pieces. Did a few mythics and low m+ to replace blue gear. Then started doing low mmr RBGs

[cold escarp]

ye

thats what im doing rn

[gloomy nova]

They need to raise the conq u get tbh

Takes ages to cap it

[split timber]

So today I brought my bear for casual pvp. I turned it to a hybrid healer. Worked nicely have to say and even better when enemies attacked me I was tanking them great. Still what legendary to boost bit more my healing and hybridness? No I will not play resto. So I want bear healing

[cold escarp]

resto affinity?

[split timber]

Yes

But which legendary to boost bit more my healing capability? I also picked Master shaprehifter as talent

It is for unrated pvp, trolling enemies mostly

For example oath?

[cold escarp]

uhh

idk it sounds so useless

[tepid spoke]

floral recycling any good? or is NS cd better

[small gorge]

Hey guys, does anyone know if there is some master list of all dispellable CCs? I’m relatively new at pvp and I’d like to make WAs for them

[surreal heron]

[plucky basin]

can someone explain to me how bleeds arent dropping rogues out of stealth

solid 12 seconds ive had bleed on an orc rogue and it didnt drop him from stealth

[blissful belfry]

Rogue conduit give them a shield when entering stealth

[plucky basin]

thats annoying but it solves the mystery

[blissful belfry]

If your dots dont break the shield, it wont reveal them

so basically, they can always restealth. i play with aff lock shadow priest and their dots arent enough to reveal a stealthed rogue

[tepid spoke]

iuno i have revealed em but i also play resto druid so i have like 4 dots on them with draught lego so they pretty strong

[brave shuttle]

What’s 4th? Thrash or SF?

[green valve]

Does spriest boomie work in 3s?

Real tired of playing my lock tbh

And only tried warr/ele boomie so far

[brave shuttle]

U are boomie?

[green valve]

Yea

[brave shuttle]

We 95% of time to boomie when we see one (caster cleave) So I think your partner needs to be able to delete shit on their own if they are left to free cast

Sounds to me like that is more like elemental that shadow

Or ret

[green valve]

Its fine tbh im used to being trained on lock lol

Just wanna know if the comps decent

[brave shuttle]

Yea but you bring dispel protection for your sp

So if you lose that, you gonna want a ms de buff or an absolute blaster

[green valve]

Thx glyph

[haughty compass]

Kinda how my aff / moonkin / hpriest works for wins

[gray flower]

Name plates for PVP; what do you run?

Any good profiles? @vestal citrus

ya been going through all of them and can't find a non shit one lol =p

[limber plover]

hey how rdruid counter monk healer?

my mana was drained out while he still have 80% of mana

[blissful belfry]

What was the matchup

I honestly cant say i've faced many (or even any?) mistweaver at all. so i really dont think they should scare you. I also rarely if ever oom before my opponent (any opponent), but i play shadowplay and i have lots of drink windows.

But knowing your comp and elo might help us figure out some paths of advices

[limber plover]

dh/monk

[blissful belfry]

(i say us, cuz im definitely not what i'd call a ''reliable.'' source)

[limber plover]

ahh my mate is frost mage

and that DH's damage is so damn high

I keep spending mana to heal both of us

And drained out really quick

[blissful belfry]

I feel like with frost mage / resto druid against a dh you can literally just kite for days and never get touched

with no outside help/nuisance you should be able to kite and cc a dh pretty well

if you add a frost mage slowing and rooting him, i dont really see a dh hitting you as main target

and if the dh targets your mage, he can kite pretty well himself too while slowing and rooting the dh still

were you both getting cleaved at the same time?

[limber plover]

oh I barely use rooting

well we were mostly not stick together

[blissful belfry]

Yeah, you shouldnt stack to avoid easy cleaves and target swaps. Root is extremely good against dh because they cant remove it themselves without a long reverse magic usage, which is better suited to reverse poly on his healer.

With a frost mage already rooting him, it becomes less vital to press it

but yeah

as glyph says (his name his green look look) frost mage/druid vs dh should never get touched

thats for the dh side. As for how mistweaver goes. I think i saw 1 in 1500 games this season

idk what they do

[limber plover]

I see

we will try to root DH more

[blissful belfry]

Regardless of the match-up, you can always pratice running away from dh by running in travel form around a medium sized pillar. they can basically never touch or catch up to you

[lime light]

U dont Play the game till 60% damp

As Frost rdru

[blissful belfry]

Your goes could look like restealth rake dh, charge healer bash, vortex dh, clone healer out of bash

[limber plover]

is there anyway to know how many damp now is?

[blissful belfry]

there is a debuff racking up

[lime light]

There are addons/wa

Or just mouseover the debuff

[limber plover]

I also don't know when my CC is not dampen

[blissful belfry]

Download gladius

add on

[lime light]

Gladius or sarena

[blissful belfry]

you need to track diminishing return on your ccs

[minor galleon]

Best 2s partner(s) for a Resto right now?

[lime light]

Bm hunter

Venthyr warrior

Survi Hunter

[limber plover]

I see! thanks a lot

[minor galleon]

Word! Thanks!

[blissful belfry]

no problem. Dont hesitate to come back for advices

[fallow sedge]

anybody rbg with resto? looking for legendary ideas

[limber plover]

also why would you say we need to start fighting till 60%damp?

[drowsy sierra]

How much is vers worth on weps in pvp when weighing up ilvl? Trying to evaluate if a 210 weapon with vers will be better than my 220 without - is there a rule of thumb, or does ilvl always reign supreme for weps?

[fallow sedge]

hello O_O

i want to rbg on my alt druid but I'm lost on what leggo/talents to do

anybody have any ideas

[clear pulsar]

Verdant infusion is the only heal leggo worth crafting

[fallow sedge]

i assume its somewhere between the arena and pve builds

verdant cant be bis for rbgs tho right?

[clear pulsar]

Nothing else comes close to the added HPS provided by being able to more than triple the value of every CW

You could make the barkskin one, or Oath if you want just a safety net to being trained or something

[fallow sedge]

hmm, I was thinking the rejuv or wild growth one would be good in rbgs

[clear pulsar]

Rejuv spreader is complete dogshit in a 7-8 man situation

You don't have that many rejuvs out and not all of those people need to healed at the same time either

[fallow sedge]

are you just letting your discs carry the aoe healing then?

[clear pulsar]

Mother Tree is just less HPS gained than extending CW by 20s everytime

Also extends swarm

[fallow sedge]

I mean a lot of rbg healing is aoe pad healing

i feel like it might be ok

[clear pulsar]

Rejuv spreader is dog

Mother tree is ok

[fallow sedge]

why is rejuv spreader dog, can you explain that to me

all the pveers are using it in raid situations

[clear pulsar]

Yeah in raid situations with 20 people in the raid

[fallow sedge]

wouldnt your rotation just be rejuvs and wildgrowths

[clear pulsar]

And flourish

[fallow sedge]

I feel like you have a lot of rejuvs going

but maybe not

[clear pulsar]

Maybe ask #resto what they would run in a 10-man raid

It does essentially the same as mother tree

But mother tree gives you a consistent amount of extra rejuvs regardless of how many people you're healing

While unending growth gives you fewer rejuvs if you're healing fewer people

[fallow sedge]

yeah true

honestly i was thinking about dropping germination altogether

[clear pulsar]

It's more extra rejuvs at 20-man raids

But not at a teamfight with 8 people

[fallow sedge]

does vision work with germination?

[clear pulsar]

Yeah

VI is the only resto legendary worth crafting tho

Too good

[fallow sedge]

yeah i have it, i just don't think it would be that insane in rbgs

[clear pulsar]

You still play the same way so to speak

I mean

You're using swiftmend and CW on cd regardless of legendary lol

More then tripling the value of CW is more healing than tripling the value of one Rejuv cast

Also the cleave Rejuvs/Regrowths don't get the benefit of SOTF

Only the main target does

[fallow sedge]

I understand what you're saying but can you see why it makes less sense to me when you have to heal 8 people instead of 1 to have good ST healing

esp in rbgs when swaps are pretty frequent

[clear pulsar]

That just means you dump fewer globals on that one target

[fallow sedge]

okey

[clear pulsar]

It's just soul ash, end of the day, just make them all

I have 12 leggos crafted

[fallow sedge]

yah its my alt so i just finished 235 VI

for arena

and looking at rbg options now

[clear pulsar]

Yeah might as well craft something you think looks good, since you already VI anyway

I think either Oath or NOW could be good to have

Maybe

[fallow sedge]

what situation would oath be good in rbgs?

just insane tanky with guardian aff?

[clear pulsar]

Tbh I don't like Oath at all, NOW >>, but I mention it cuz I've seen rdrus in 2.4 rbgs with it

But yeah I'd just put it on like, you have more bases and are double sitting with the rest of the team doing something somewhere else, you + dps, and you don't wanna get one-deagd by a rogue or something

@tulip falcon is the resident RBG main, what you see rdrus run in RBGs bro?

[stuck wolf]

Hello, can I ask for a solid thorough PvP restoration guide? Most important keybinds, macros, addons, conduits, covenant. Im a veteran WoW player, but pretty much new to druid and then also pvp as healer. I have just switched to Necro as I plan to main arenas with my irl mates.

Both RBGs and Arena. Thanks a bunch

[fallow sedge]

yeah im not really interested in oath, the rdruid i qed into today at like 2.4 was just playing VI

[clear pulsar]

Every keybind is important, you should have every spell in your spellbook bound (except maybe the single target rez)

https://www.wowhead.com/restoration-druid-pvp-guide probably covers all of the rest of those questions @stuck wolf

Macros are mostly just used for quicker targeting, having dispel party1 and dispel party2 in one button press each rather than having to target people individually for instance

And focus / arena123 macros for crowd control

[clear pulsar]

Are you real ticki?

I've qd into you, sad times

Get smashed every single time fuck all you people that play better

[stuck wolf]

Thats what I thought. With druids, however, is there any good rule of thumb or something ofr setting up your action bars so that spells castable in all forms (or rather automatically tkaing you out of those forms, or automatically into those forms) are outside BAR 1, for example?

[clear pulsar]

Eh you can just put the same spell on the form bars again

[stuck wolf]

Yep. I get that. Cyclone Arena 1-3, Dispell 1-3, Roots 1-3. Those are the main ones, right?

But I iwll check in the guide.

[stuck wolf]

But then its pretty hard to maintain consistent keybinds across forms.

[fallow sedge]

yeah im the real ticki

on NA

tickix

did I q into you in rbgs or arena?

[clear pulsar]

I mean just place them on the same key in each bar @stuck wolf you definitely want to be comfortable with shifting out of form quickly tho

Since hunters have scare beast back and other druids cna hibernate

[clear pulsar]

2s and rbgs, definitely not 3s

There is no rule of thumb for how to bind your spells, just be comfortable

You want stuff like dispel, ironbark, emergency heals available all the time ofc

The rest is just personal preference/comfort for what you have available in a form bar that takes you out, if you can have everything and still be comfortable with all your keybinds that's great

[fallow sedge]

oo hope games were good

just trying to learn druid 😄

[clear pulsar]

Unbearable shit seeing nuked ticki and other rank 1s enemy team

I think mother tree would be the move if sotf worked on the cleaved spells

But VI too good

[fallow sedge]

D:

[limber plover]

I see so we just need to avoid those bursting classes and try to last the battle longer

We just tried this strategy and it works haha Thanks!

[stuck wolf]

Thank you. I get it. I guess what I was hoping for getting is just: "Here is this UI, take it, get used to it, if you dont like it tweak it". But ofc, that is not really the way, I will have to gradually prepare my own and shift it around often.

[tulip falcon]

I never saw any lmao

[fallow sedge]

😄

i might be able to convince my friendgroup to let me in, but i gotta blast you know

abundance doesn't reduce regrowth cast anymore right? it seems risky to open your tree up in rbgs

hpm is prob insane tho

if i regrowth with mother tree up, does it apply the regrowth initial healing to 3 targets too?

okey ill see if i can

[clear pulsar]

Hm crtaker is night fae

Definitely something to do with it

[fallow sedge]

im necro and i dont think ill be switching

[clear pulsar]

Mother tree is definitely good healing if your CW is overhealing a bunch ofc

But VI is nasty

Burstnasty

[fallow sedge]

yeah for sure

[clear pulsar]

The last rdru I queued into in rbg was Datacus

He's quite a bit lower cr than Crtaker tho

[stuck wolf]

Do you guys use any WAs for PvP as RDRUID? Or it is the standard set of addons: Gladius, OmniCD, maybe BigDebuffs, OmniBar?

[tulip falcon]

Only one I saw on eu at high rating was a meme

[junior plover]

He listened to me

I saved this guy's life

It's 2s tho

So makes sense

BM is NAAASTY

My personal tin foil hat theory is that BM was always good

Like how does a spec go from D tier to S tier with a 5% damage buff

It doesn't lmao

[fallow sedge]

looks like crtaker hasnt qed since the mmr deflation

hmmm

ill try and poke his brain i guess

[clear pulsar]

Wouldn't that also be since 9.0.5 buffed VI?

[drowsy sierra]

maul critting for 10k is pretty fun, this maul stacking build might be a meme but it sure is funny

[rigid linden]

👁️ ticki

👀

[junior plover]

any kitty cleave gameplay

[honest mesa]

Pog

[sinful viper]

LOL

finally

[tardy hare]

pog

[clear pulsar]

Anima rewards increased

Rogues bouta be the MOST mad on forums

I swear they still all say rogue is trash and unplayable, carried by fire mage or something

[viscid remnant]

photoshop???

[clear pulsar]

No?

It's posted in forum

Very real my friend

[viscid remnant]

pog

sad that its the only change

and there isnt something like

warr damage nerfed by 8%

or death sentence removed

[clear pulsar]

They just need to give everyone like 15% more hp or something s2g

[junior plover]

Lol we actually got a patch

[clear pulsar]

9.1 will be on PTR this week too

[junior plover]

Really

Only got 6 weeks to hit glad?

That's not fair the season's too short

[clear pulsar]

I think it'll be a bit more than 6 weeks on PTR

Probably 8

Maybe 10 even

No way it comes out before June

And there was some rumor it could be as late as August

I'd say 8-10 weeks on PTR

[junior plover]

Make it 30

[clear pulsar]

Kiosk finna have more games played than CR

[lilac galleon]

Tell us about it?

[junior plover]

[drowsy sierra]

@lilac galleon not much to it, tooth and claw + the maul conduit = you can do some burst damage now??

it lets you get some surprisingly good damage in

[clear pulsar]

Bro

2 Mauls isn't burst lol

Actually it's only 1 Maul since those things only buff your next 1 cast

[drowsy sierra]

i mean, it's burst relative to the rest of the skills you have

but like i said, meme

[wild mural]

Hi! I read that for RBG flag carrying it's best to go with Sleeper for carrying and Natural Order’s Will for base sitting. Can someone tell me what missives I would use for stats and on which slots I should put the legendary effects?

[clear pulsar]

You should use legacy for base sitting

Natural orders will is for swapping when berserk/incarn is on cooldown

But it's kinda risky cuz you may just be stuck in combat for a long time and be unable to swap back to legacy when you have incarn back off cd

Make it on whichever slot you want, vers + mastery

[wild mural]

Thank you! Then I'll just craft Legacy of the Sleeper first and see how it goes

[marsh pollen]

has the mc bug been fixed yet?

[junior plover]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-gif-18728515

Covid test came back

It's over for me

[viscid remnant]

did you get it ?

F

[junior plover]

[blissful belfry]

nice, more time to play wow

u can grind em queues now

[midnight onyx]

Got my 2nd shot yesterday, feels like I have COVID today 🤢

[tardy hare]

oppoggg

[kindred monolith]

Is there any 3s comps that “do better” with necrolord kitty? Currently myself and a disc priest. Was thinking maybe jungle or kitty cleave?

[foggy ravine]

tbh any feral comp works, personal xp I think fmp / jungle are best, haven't had the best success with kitty cleave

[lime light]

Bm jungle no skill pve shit show

Most broken spec to log

[foggy ravine]

ya bm jungle is ez

[lime light]

Feral sits in bear form.wbole gamę

And u dying to pets

[arctic rivet]

lol

so rn ferals are surpassing boomies?

or are Boomies and Ferals still inpar?

[lime light]

U can Play bm boomkin, no difference

Just sit in bear form

When pets are chomping

[green valve]

Youll be fine brother, me n the wife got it last month, felt like a lingering cold for 2 weeks

Get some soup, vitamin c and keep hydrated good luck

I also drank a bunch of whiskey but i dk if thsts necessary

[lime light]

Ye it depends

Rng factor is high

U can roll above 90 and die

Or u can be fine

Just like me

Back to back

Two timer covider

[green valve]

Back2backchamp

I do actually recommend the whiskey now that i think about it

[lime light]

Iam drinking too much already

I might start doing small shot before u drive to office

[green valve]

Mix it in your coffee

Bailey jameson coffee

[fossil warren]

for a new feral druid,for pvp, is it better to craft the deep focus legendary or the symmetry one atm?

[compact bough]

I believe most feral go Symmetry

Me (rdruid) and my partner (surv hunter) having a crazy hard time against aff lock/spriest in 2s. We've gotten so much better against so many other comps over time, but that one just feels.. impossible. The spread cleave from both of them feels insane to heal through. Any tips?

[junior plover]

I know I'll be fine I'm unstoppable

But thanks

[junior plover]

How do you LOOOOSE with arms

I'm playing with a 28k hp arms and we got to 1800 mmr ez

Idk maybe necro isn't actually good for kityy

I'm nf

[foggy ravine]

idk its not terrible but not ideal imo, im playing up at 2k

but its like why play kitty when you can play jungle or FMP

[lime light]

@compact bough how do u lose to affi as Hunter

Impossible

Hunter dispels his shit every 15 sec

U either leave a pillar when Hunter traps

Or just lose whole game and dont get doted

[junior plover]

Why play with mage or hunter if you could play with warrior

[compact bough]

It could very well be my hunter not feigning enough, truly. I think the main thing that kills us a lot is the mindgames swap with silence and UA on me

[blissful belfry]

i have faced a frost mage / feral druid in 2s as rdruid/war. I think my warrior typed /afk to just end it rather than play it out

[green valve]

if a bm hunters losing to affi its his fault lol

[compact bough]

its surv, but the feign principle remains the same, i admit.

[green valve]

you can actually ignore affi with feign and he cant do anything

as long as hes not a potato and just feigning a corrup

[compact bough]

Yeah, i was gonna start recording our games, so when i start doing that ill try to pinpoint the exact issue. I feel like we do well in the beginning and we just kind of rot away. We're both still learning, so there's a lot to improve on both ends. I've also been taking a lot of guardian affinity for the safety, but i feel feral aff might be the play for spriest/aff too

Feel like it might also be better with BM, as surv goes feel like they require a bit more finesse.

[blissful belfry]

I started recording my games. I looked at my vods. realized i was losing because im shit so now i dont record them anymore and i blame my friends

[compact bough]

LOL

nah, we're both super good with criticism on both ends. im not too worried

gotta get better somehow 😛

[blissful belfry]

man yesterday, start of arena im afk lookin at shit on youtube (i only have one screen) i come back on, im half hp being obliterated

hmmm ehhh hmm.. yeahhh i died reaaaaaaly fast didnt i eh

[compact bough]

once our guild is done with mythic prog, we'll be full time pvp. she's also NF for the prog so no venth

[blissful belfry]

you guys didnt peel me

[compact bough]

which will help a lot

[blissful belfry]

yeah, i should kill Sire this week or the next too. focus on Pvp will come back

[lime light]

Are u playing with egirl?

That's super cute

[compact bough]

huh?

[blissful belfry]

cringe

[compact bough]

im playing.. with a human.. thats a girl

yes?

[lime light]

[blissful belfry]

hehehe

[lime light]

Keep walking

[compact bough]

Yikes.

[blissful belfry]

hehe

[lime light]

Tian is gone

Long time ago

There is only El Padrino

[blissful belfry]

El Padrino

[compact bough]

Startin to smell like gamer sweat and unwashed underwear in here now

[blissful belfry]

hey!

i'll wash my underwear when i get a date

[compact bough]

Mail order brides dont mind

you should be fine

[blissful belfry]

perfect

[lime light]

La putas

[forest kite]

226 weapon with crit/mastery or 220 weapon with +95 vers/mastery?

feral 2s/3s

[blissful belfry]

ilvl

weapon is always ilvl

[sick arrow]

anyone got any good resources going over match specific stuff for rdruid in 2v2 and 3v3

[cold escarp]

is there any way to make a lone empowerment + on use trinket macro?

/use Sinful Aspirant's Badge of Ferocity
/cast Lone Empowerment

i tried this but then kindred spirits doesnt cast

[stoic stirrup]

@forest kite honestly vers, vers alll the way

[green valve]

Big facts

I was so good 10 yrs ago

Getting old man

[forest kite]

@stoic stirrup ❤️ thx

[stoic stirrup]

Yw

PvP vers is the best

No doubt, what’s 6 ilvl

220 still v good

Anyways you still got a few months till next patch -_-

[clear pulsar]

Weapon always ilvl

[forest kite]

both of you deathroll your mmrs

3 2 1 go

[blissful belfry]

I dont know about either's mmr/cr, but knowledge isnt necessarily reflected in CR. I have seen some abysmal maths in youtube videos from 3k cr people. Playing well doesnt mean understanding the underlying mathematics of gear and stats

The general consensus i have seen shared here is that ilvl is king on weapon

[forest kite]

how do i transfer honor into conquest?

[cerulean hound]

If I use full conquest ilvl 220 haste gear (used for my boomkin) on a feral druid, would I have trouble killing anyone without mastery?

[blissful belfry]

honor cannot be converted into conquest. Conquest is used to buy ilvl 200 pvp pieces that can then be upgraded with honor up to your CR bracket. (max 226 ilvl for all slot at 2100 cr, except for weapon which can go up to 233 at 2400 cr)

You gain honor from most / all pvp related activities

You gain conquest up to a cap for wins in arenas, rbg or weekly pvp quest.

[forest kite]

ty!

[clear pulsar]

6 weapon ilvl is worth far more than 50 vers lol it's not even close

[clear pulsar]

cringes at tian asking if you're playing with an egirl
makes a punchline out of purchasing wifes

You out your gourd my g

[stray sigil]

why is there a fake savix ni here lmfao

[lime light]

Why is there fake leader in here lmfo

[green valve]

Damn

Gottem

[stray sigil]

?

say it to m y face ruski

[lime light]

Ok joince voice

And u donzo

As usual

But i will go easy on u

Sure

Npnp

Iam the one and only

Real owner of this channel

And egirl owner also

If u wanna q up with a girl, u gonna Ask me first for permission

[clear pulsar]

[stray sigil]

tian has never felt the embrace of a women before

[tardy hare]

i am owner of egirls

actually

you can own them

i just milk em

[surreal heron]

?

[lime light]

Sure

[tardy hare]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ghost-milk-cow-ekdQau0hiGTgzskZ7w

[lime light]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-luigis-mansion-horrified-luigi-scared-nintendo-gif-21087415

[viscid remnant]

whats wrong thyme

this mans is spittin

[tepid spoke]

I am getting a weird world ms lag on some arenas

some are fine, some arent

is anyone getting the same?

[sick arrow]

im such an ape, was thinking "wow pvp gear and upgrades is very expensive"

it's honor not conq for upgrading conq pieces

baby's first pvp season since tbc

[lime light]

Once u gotta upgrade weapon

U gonna backpedle

With those words

[supple path]

BOAT changed on ptr

Increases crit by 24% on Nature and Arcane spells, decreasing by 3% every 1 sec

[blissful belfry]

nononono suhshhhà

fucking hell, fuck off blizz

[stray sigil]

lmao get fuckd boomy CUCKS

[blissful belfry]

ima make a petition to nerf ferals with us!

Nah just kidding, ima reroll to cat

the true spec

[vivid tusk]

god damn, no druid pvp talent changes??!?!!?

no kleptomania for mages tho, rdudus will love it

Chaos Bolt now deals 40% more damage in PvP combat (was 15%).

rofl

welcome back bfa

[supple path]

Arcane has klepto still

[vivid tusk]

ya but nobody will play it for just klepto

[stray sigil]

c9 is loving these changes

KEK

buff frost and destro

[blissful belfry]

Blizz just picks a random intern every time to do the patch notes of the next tier

They ask him if he's familiar with the game, answers with ''im almost max level'', and then they give him the job

[green valve]

whatever

at least mages got cucked

fuck em

guess ill go make dreambinder

[ebon vortex]

glad they gave druid some new pvp talents 🙂

was hoping they would do something about restos pvp talents being very meh against casters

klepto nerf is nice i guess at least

[last jackal]

They did? i cant see it in the section, i think the talents are pretty stale

then again, im no super pvper 😄

[ebon vortex]

nah im being sarcastic lmaio

[last jackal]

yeh, i can never tell with people here on druid discord if they are or not

:p

[ebon vortex]

im really hoping that these arent the final patch ntoes

[last jackal]

Yeah

[ebon vortex]

burst meta is just gonna get even worse with people getting triple potency

[last jackal]

All focus on boomkin nerfs, bet they wont add anything else to the druid though

[ebon vortex]

and theres not even been any major balance changes really

they fucking murdered boat lamo

[last jackal]

yeah

they can just remove it lol

[ebon vortex]

they might as well

[green valve]

yea

24% crit during eclipse or just 20% dmg on surge

binder it is

[ebon vortex]

lmfao they have just dumpstered affli

[tropic panther]

uhh what is this

Chaos Bolt now deals 40% more damage in PvP combat (was 15%).

[dry star]

they removed a pvp talent that gave 40% more damage

[tropic panther]

yeah i should've kept reading lol

[ebon vortex]

oh they did actually add a resto pvp talent

[tropic panther]

so looks like you'll never use BOAT as kyrian now

[stray sigil]

wheres my feral pvp talents at

[haughty compass]

Yea it’s the same, just a little worse

I’ll still be boat convoke prob

[gloomy nova]

is there a date for 9.1 yet+

[green valve]

went kyrian this morning too

prob shoulda anticipated patch notes

see what theyre doing before i swapped

i do enjoy it much more tho

having a definitive go frequently is really nice

yea didnt wanna say it but it feels better

@vestal citrus is pelagos the move? which potency?

[cold vale]

CA duration one prob

[green valve]

you play both most games?

[cold vale]

they need to just rework the kyrian conduit pls

[green valve]

since you can get double endurance anyway

thx bud

[tepid spoke]

PvP Talents (1)
NEW Keeper of the Grove Tranquility's heal over time effect is increased by 200% and is unable to be interrupted.

this shit gonna be pog? or nah

[white sun]

Any thoughts on what new NF druid pvp lego may be?

[dry star]

do you have to be in LOS for tranquility?

[tepid spoke]

no

[dry star]

I always feel like most of my pvp talents are garbage against some comps, as resto, so that looks pretty nice

[tepid spoke]

yeah against caster comps all talents are pretty garbo

[dry star]

in 226 gear that's what it healed for

i just now noticed it's just the hot that's buffed (+uninterruptable), so I'm less excited now

[vivid dock]

So is boomy dead in the water for pvp now

leggo destroyed

[signal rivet]

Go kyrian like all the good moonkins

[fallow sedge]

i crafted vision leggo

its not as good as i hoped

smoge

[trim moth]

NF legendary is still unknown. Might change things.

[haughty compass]

I mean I went night fae for RP reasons yo

[vivid dock]

no one mentioned convoke im talking about the lego

[haughty compass]

Yea it’s not op in 5 mans anymore that’s all

[vivid dock]

i only convoke for bgs

[haughty compass]

Timeworn will be the go to unless the NF leggo is sick

[random patrol]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/speculated-night-fae-druid-legendary-datamined-on-shadowlands-patch-9-1-ptr-321838

[blissful belfry]

OR

THEY

PUT

BACK

THE MOOOOOONS

[supple path]

wtf 8 spells in 2 seconds, 1 min cooldown? maybe w/ moon?

[blissful belfry]

but no 100% crit

[random patrol]

its speculated atm so could be a leggo or even a torghast power

[blissful belfry]

the cheesy deadlyness of convoke was double dip boat crit double dip mastery incarn

[patent cradle]

i wonder if they'll change the exceptional spell to bite/surge in pvp

[lost bolt]

Wonder if Dreambinder will be worth

But for PVP

I wonder as well if that NF legendary will be worth

But if thats the case... we get 8 spells in 2 seconds on a 1 min cd... But watch it be 7 rakes and 1 SS

[arctic rivet]

so are boomies doomed now?

Boat NF boomies?

that shit got heavy hard nerfed.... they got the Death Strike treatment

40% crit to 24%

but isn't dreambinder Kyrian only?

or better for Kyrian?

fuck I have to switch Covenants and to KYRIAN AGAIN

I hope haste is still the stat I need for that playstyle....

bec I made my boomy specifically for convoke nuking....

with boat...

[pale field]

so i see a lot of pvp druids playing necro. (resto) is that the go to? even for other specs?

[arctic rivet]

maybe feral works in Necro too if I remember...

but all my armor is haste..

@vestal citrus Is Kyrian Boomies main stat Haste still? or is it mastery now?

ok

in that case changing to Kyrian then....

but also getting the lego

ah true

[pale field]

it takes about 2 weeks to get from 0 -40 renown?

if you switch

[lost bolt]

Takes about... 2 days

If you do content

[pale field]

2 weeks though to switch back hey

[arctic rivet]

now are boomies still better than ferals or are ferals becoming the better DPS druid spec now?

ok..

then guess I just need a new lego and Kyrian cov then

I might abandon my DK main now tho....

they are getting a heavy hard nerf by reworking heartstop aura into an range reducer....

[lost bolt]

MW cannot be that strong... tuning....................

But what is the cd on the new stun remove?

And isnt port 60 sec?

[haughty compass]

Makes that port leggo super good for them

[lost bolt]

Wait

What are Dreambinder Kyrians doing?

Starfalling?

[primal bane]

goodnight sweet prince

[lost bolt]

I brainfarted

So 10% on first SS, 20% on second SS (for ASP reduction and Damage)

So first one does 10% increased damage, second does 20%, third does 20%

The ASP reduction is kinda trash tho

[primal bane]

is the 9.1 PTR all the pvp changes we're getting for next patch?

[lost bolt]

Thats like 9 asp

Yeah

But you always do elune

If you dont elune in pvp you are trolling

[arctic rivet]

yeah I think I'm gonna swap to Kyrian when 9.1 comes

since again this is just the first notes and testing

[lost bolt]

Dreambinder on Chest I think

[kindred monolith]

for the pieces that i cant get mastery on, do i go crit or haste? pretty sure its crit, but want to double check. (necrolord kitty if that matters)

or would it be haste to increase bleed ticks?

[green valve]

Lmao at least i saw tgis

[green valve]

I swapped this morning and made bindee

Nightnday difference

Get it

From nightfey

[arctic rivet]

yeah gonna do that

I mean its safer than convoke NF too

if I get kicked I'm kinda fucked

[white sun]

what lego looks good for NF druid now that BOATS will likely be nerfed?

[forest kite]

lol

dat patch 9.1 warlock is dead

wtf is these dev

" hey , lets nerf the bottom tier caster it's a good idea "

[green valve]

I mean, i log on my lock full of hope

Lasts about 4 games

Usually the first rsham mele cleave

[smoky needle]

Is it worth getting the 158 pvp trinkets for the 2set bonus over 226 trinkets? I'm a bear with scale and iqd rn

is one of the pvp trinkets a cc break?

and also does iqd work as a cc break?

It works in pve but idk about pvp

kk

then if I get 1 pvp trinket I might as well get another for set bonus?

makes sense. thanks

[green valve]

3 episodes into tiger king

Batshit crazyest thing ive ever seen

[forest kite]

btw , (because absolutely 0 afflock do it right now because of the design of sacrolash )

they can stack agony + exhaust right ? i hope for them xD

[green valve]

Yea destros definitely gonna be good

[forest kite]

add more one shot to the game kek

[green valve]

And lock scales well

[forest kite]

it's already going to much into dampening

[green valve]

Affis also gonna be cancerous if theres no curse dispel

[forest kite]

mostly no change

[green valve]

Amped perma exhaustion is a perma 70% slow

[forest kite]

at least u can dispell the slow now

in my opinion , lose a GCD to apply exhaustion again & again

hurt in this fast meta

so 3 gcd

[green valve]

Yea vs curse dispel teams

Vs like warr hpal that cant get rid of it

Perma 70%

Fdk destro might come back too

[forest kite]

even without curse dispell , it's still 3 gcd

[green valve]

Abom grip bane cleave all 3 with 40% bolts

[lime light]

pokiW

[forest kite]

@green valve btw aff don't have amped exhaust

so mostly it's the same snare , easier to dispell , and a lot more GCD for that

shiting damage from Extase to agony/coruption ( who does crap damage ) it's questionable too

Eminence (PvP Talent) has been redesigned – Transcendence: Transfer can now be cast while stunned and its cooldown is decreased by 15 seconds if it is cast while not stunne

MW monk are back

[split timber]

I have searched and found this reply. I crafted oath legendary for fun but I do not see it procing. Also when I use it and I am guardian I do not see buffing my thick armor at all. The idea was to be a tank in unrated bgs and then pop some super big heals to the team.. Can it be bugged?

[blissful belfry]

not boomy related but you can purge grimoire of sacrifice from warlocks? (the thing that give em their pet kick)

[steep bane]

no u cant

[clear pulsar]

This entire patch is trash lmao

[clear pulsar]

Good stuff blizz telling me to focus on college

[viscid remnant]

Simp

MW god tier inc

Alrdy leveling monk gg

advanced krek smoking

[clear pulsar]

That's a high school class tf you mean

[grave shard]

What will be the best legendary now that balance of all things is nerfed for boomy rbg’s?

[arctic rivet]

Dreambinder

It has always been top tier too

How many of you are quitting after this patch?

Ok bec a lot of Dks kinda quit already

Even tho the new heartstop or shroud of the winter is actually gonna be good

Dks might be our next best partners in 9.1

Well for boomies and restos

Aoe reduce range basically helps Boomies make an easy free convoke while still far enough they don’t get kicked and the enemy range gets nerfed with the Dks’s aura

Kinda like Fdk/Destro locks but with a boomy instead

I mean Boomy/Frost DEATH KNIGHT

Not frost mage

[clear pulsar]

And glyph means boomy frost MAGE

Not frost death knight

[arctic rivet]

Ok

[viscid remnant]

i didnt quit i took a 2 week ish break

was good because i was annoyed with the game but now its fun again

[junior plover]

Wait 9.1 ptr out?

Or what are we all talkin bout

[clear pulsar]

Yeah it's ass

Don't bother looking

[junior plover]

Ok but feral buffs where?

[clear pulsar]

Literally nothing for feral

They're adding covenant spell legendaries for everyone, the necro druid legendary is complete garbage

[junior plover]

Haven't seen it but can't be worse than the NF one

[clear pulsar]

The Convoke one is potentially the move in pve but

@junior plover

Kyrian one sucks too

[lime light]

@viscid remnant iam too Alpha to be a simp

[junior plover]

Maybe they'll change it

Looks awful

The shield from Cloaked in Shadows (Conduit) is now 50% larger, lasts for 4 seconds (previously had no duration) and no longer decays while the Rogue is out of stealth.

Lmao

Rogues on suicide watch

[clear pulsar]

Stealth doesnt have a cd so

I doubt they care

[junior plover]

Since when

Pretty sure it used to have one

[lime light]

2 sec

[junior plover]

[lime light]

even my momma thinks my mind is gone

[junior plover]

Demateralize into mist while stunned, reducing damage taken by 40%, reforming over 3 sec

We MoP now

Casually add like the best defensive cd in the game to a pvp talent

[lime light]

they were immune to dmg

for 2 or 3 sec

and ye a lot of feral changes too

is the spec still in game

[junior plover]

Feral is literally perfect

Why change it

?????

[junior plover]

Arms still 0 changes

They must be trolling

Actually

Freedom of the herd is at least a tech choice for boomer counter

Tbh

[lime light]

no its not

its 2 min cd

i tried it few times, when i played jungle with a hunter that never freedom

still bad

range is super small, cd is long

[junior plover]

[lime light]

savage momentum + freedom

idk maybe

but still dog

bring back old king of the jungle

bring back old rip damgur

bring back rake charge

and u gonna bring me back also

otherwise iam getting passiv renown till 30 and finishing the grind

[junior plover]

Just realized tbc is probably before 9.1

[clear pulsar]

Yeah i'm not playing past my current sub

[lime light]

it is

[clear pulsar]

9.1 looking ass

[junior plover]

9.1 will be goated

[clear pulsar]

Destro frostmage mw will make you miss bfa

[junior plover]

Destro got fucked

[junior plover]

Removed their 40% more cb talent

[lime light]

u blind ape

check pvp mods

below cb

[clear pulsar]

Did you read ANY of the patch notes?

Lmao

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

Actual ape s2g

[junior plover]

Can u

Not bully

[lime light]

now 2 ppl gonna die

u can havoc cb

KEKW

[junior plover]

[lime light]

1.14 > 1.4 pvp mod

• pve mod is also buffed

i belive

[junior plover]

Ok

[lime light]

and the new honor talent

[junior plover]

9.1 will be goated for flp

Ez

[lime light]

its gonna be like an aoe shit u cast?

lets say like blizzard?

[viscid remnant]

9.1 will be goated to stop playing the game

[lime light]

on the ground

[clear pulsar]

Chaos bolt 10% more damage base, and 22% more damage in pvp on top for a 33.4% total buff.

[junior plover]

GOATED

[lime light]

i bought like 1.5k gold on classic

still 52 lvl

nice boosting prices

[junior plover]

Lmao

Just buy the blizzard boost

[lime light]

there is non

[junior plover]

There will be

Lvl 58 boost

[lime light]

ye, but its gonna be late

[forest kite]

so it's 6 ilvls of weapon dps ( i simmed my 226 weapon and 220, was a 79 dps gain for 226)

and it's 95 base versatility, not 50. then +40% from trinket bonus brings it to 135 versa

so a 3,31% dmg increase in pvp scenarios to wear the 220 versa weapon over the 226 no versa weapon

that's 161 dps, and then the 1.18~ dmg reduction from 95 versa aswell

bear in mind it was terriblly fast napkin maths

but i've had 3 conflicting replies over a few weeks now. some ppl say 6 ilvl always, savix says pure versa always

i'm inclined to lean towards versa aswell. but i just wanna see how off my math is for the 6 ilvl dps difference?

[lime light]

pls stop questioning Face's math

[clear pulsar]

You're not just gaining a free 95 vers tho are you lol

You're losing one secondary to gain another

That is fake savix btw

[forest kite]

yeah thats true. heres the sim, no buffs

what am i not processing mentally?

[clear pulsar]

Weapon dps is the biggest stat for damage

The gain of versa is nice but since it's 95 vers I'm assuming that's not a pvp wep you can upgrade to 226 later either

The pvp wep has like 50 vers right?

[forest kite]

it's a 220 denathrius vers/mastery weapon, vs a 226 crit/mastery mythic huntsman

95 vers on 220

[clear pulsar]

What I'd do is

Equip both, check bite damage

With each

[placid minnow]

Is Draught of Deep Focus only good if you're Necrolord for Feral PvP?

Kinda having a hard time which Feral Leggo to craft as I pretty much do most things (Casual Arena 1.4-1.8 fun, Heroic CN weekly, M+ at any point, RBGs/BGs for fun)
Better to go for something else? (Cold sims -300 in ST, +300 in AOE, Apex sims minus 100-200 but more equalised in both but IIRC neither is good for PvP?)

Seems a lot of Ferals has gone Necro for PvP so I imagine the great bump in Draught crafts has been due to that

[junior plover]

It's situationally good for Kyrian and NF

Vs Arms warrior in 2s for example

But best to stick to symmetry

[lime light]

iam banning the word "sim" (simp is still allowed) since today

[placid minnow]

But it's not so detrimental that it would handicap me severely running it over Symmetry against others?

Symmetry seems to have little to none impact for PvE so I'd prefer not to craft that.

[lime light]

draught only good if u are necro

otherwise symmetry > kyrian and NF are burst go covenants

[forest kite]

@clear pulsar 10,708 crit with 226. 10,507 with 220 - this doesn't include the 40% versa bonus, though

[lime light]

u want sbt to play them

so u gonna lose one dot (less value from draught)

[placid minnow]

Sure, but HOW much worse are we talking? Cause Draught is the overall BiS for raiding as NF

[lime light]

its useless

cuz there are a moments, when u dont even use rip

on a target

just bite

all your dmg is bite

[junior plover]

It doesn't take too long to get both tbh

[placid minnow]

It's another 2-4 weeks of Torghast......... Unless I want to replace 220 ilvs with 190.

[lime light]

just get rank 2

its like 2 weeks

its good enough

and there is the biggest "gap" between 190 and 215

[placid minnow]

Guess I'll just make the Draught for now as I don't really push any Arenas for now, and Necro is not on the list due to being garbage in PvE

[forest kite]

@clear pulsar so if the trinket bonus adds 40%(9.08%) of my 23.77(220) verse on that 10,507 hit, or 40%(8.56%) of my 21.40(226) vers to a 10,708 hit - a 0.56% dmg increase from vers on the 220 side

[junior plover]

Vers itself has a damage boost too

Not just the trinket bonus

[forest kite]

220 = 11,461 bite, 226 = 11,624 bite

[junior plover]

But mastery damage scales faster than vers damage

And wep dps

And agi

[forest kite]

well i'm literally casting bite on the same dummy just switching the weapon, so other secondaries are accounted for also, right?

[junior plover]

But the other wep has more mastery

[forest kite]

and we're not factoring the 1.18% dmg reduction i'm losing to gain 200~ damage on a bite

[junior plover]

Overall lemme put it this way

Best Ferals when they hit 30% vers

Socket mastery in their gems

Meaning vers is worth at most 0.9 mastery

So don't sweat an item not having vers too much

[lime light]

but u getting more healing from versa

[junior plover]

Yeah but it's still worth 0.9 mastery or less

[lime light]

u dont gain healing from mast

[junior plover]

Never said u did

[lime light]

also as necro haste is better

[junior plover]

Necro

[clear pulsar]

Or the 200 hp you're gaining also?

[forest kite]

yeah

220 hp

gained on 226

[lime light]

also

u dont gain dmg reduction

from the versa

[junior plover]

[lime light]

that u get from 40% pvp set

only more damg and more healing

[junior plover]

El patron is cracked

[forest kite]

yes, i'm not factoring the 40% 2pc for dmg taken

[lime light]

also i wanted to say the same, but iam trying to not be rude today @vestal citrus

[junior plover]

The Stam gain from ilvl turns out to be about as valuable as the damagur reduction in terms of survi

If you math it out

But versa makes it easier to heal you

Overall there won't be a meaningful difference with whichever item you pick really

[forest kite]

1.19% dmg taken difference in favor of the 220

yeah

[junior plover]

But 226 will be more damage

[forest kite]

and i look cooler with 226

[junior plover]

TRUTH

[forest kite]

thankyou for the conversation guys

also can we do something about impostor savix

very cringe, you want to listen to him straight away cuz omg it's savix lulx

[clear pulsar]

11314 with 220 vers wep vs 11463 with 226 wep, accounting for trinket bonus

Also no hate but I'd never take savix word for gospel on any subject

Even if real savix

[forest kite]

thats fair

just ya'know

your inclined to listen to a name you recognise even if you dont know his iq

[clear pulsar]

Good man but there are a few decidedly better players that talk in here occasionally

[lime light]

there is also one more impostor

[junior plover]

Some of the best players in the world have fucking cracked takes

They just know how to press buttons

[lime light]

@stray sigil

this guy thinks

he is a leader

LMAO

[junior plover]

Fuji is love Fuji is life

[lime light]

there is only one el patron in that channel

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

[junior plover]

Gone are the dark days of bt curio savant

[clear pulsar]

Yall just crazy trying to copy @tardy hare

The true leader of this place

[lime light]

Even If you didn’t accomplish something significant today, don’t be discouraged just aim to accomplish something significant tomorrow

[clear pulsar]

^ big leadership

[junior plover]

I pet my kitty today

[clear pulsar]

That's big brother good stuff

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

I listened to class with headset on but laying in bed

And fell asleep 20 mins in

[junior plover]

GOOD ATTEMPT!

[lime light]

u are not forced to use cam

[clear pulsar]

Bro we in brazil people dont have cams

They barely have mics

???

Also

I would do that with cam on too

[lime light]

i will buy u cams

[clear pulsar]

[lime light]

iam a big fan, of lynch law

in brazil

thats how police should deal with thieves

[junior plover]

Lmao Brazil

It really exists?

I thought brazil was a meme

[clear pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-por-que-no-los-dos-yey-gif-15089379

[lime light]

mierda

[junior plover]

Puta mierda

https://youtu.be/TfqHapuS-Uk

That's @lime light on feral

[clear pulsar]

Bnet app doesn't tell me how long left on my sub anymore lol

What a joke of a company

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

Just the stupidest changes everytime

[lime light]

Yup

Cant check

That's so smart

When h think about it

Blizzard is the smartest company in the world

Imagine how many ppl still pay/ is paying the sub

Not even knowing about it

[junior plover]

Yeah it's pretty based ngl

[tardy hare]

Its confirmed

I'm removing lîlgåÿløkßøí from the dusty shelf

[cold escarp]

hey wtf

RIP boat

[junior plover]

Boat =/= goat?

Good change

May feral be the best spec

[clear pulsar]

Feral will be dog spec

The busted specs arent getting nerfed, and the other specs that were maybe worse than feral are getting massive buffs

[junior plover]

Look

Feral is goated

Always will be

No matter what feral will prevail

Also it's cat spec not dog spec u monkey

[cold escarp]

BOAT was fun but since dreambinder is on par with it even now

no point playing BOAT in patch

how do i get soul ash refund

poor affliction locks lmao

[junior plover]

Affliction

I can't feel bad for a pve spec

Keep your dots up and run around

Great gameplay

[forest kite]

these change make me laught xD

the worst part is : some ppl are already crying for constant Exhaust curse , but it's easier to dispell ( any dps with decurse can ) , but the worst part is , now warlock need 3 more GCD to apply snare to everyone , they are so lazy and have absolutely no idea how to make this class work

mw monk change are insane

on the other way

[cold escarp]

kinda like a certain druid spec

[viscid remnant]

tru

[clear pulsar]

Yeah boomie dots insane

And tanky as fuck

[grave shard]

So the way to go for RBG’s is dreambinder now?

[cold escarp]

probably but dont rush it, 9.1 is like 2 month away

[ebon vortex]

affliction prolly got the worst out of all the changes

like that class is just gonna be dead in pvp now lmao

[cold escarp]

looks so scuffed

gonna be interesting in RBG

[tardy hare]

league of legends rip off ability

gg

[clear pulsar]

Destro got insane insane buffs

[ebon vortex]

yeah my lock friend is hyped for them

meant spec when I wrote that message lol

[cold escarp]

5% nerf to chaosbolt but u can cast it on 2 targets now with havoc

[clear pulsar]

Not only that

The bonds of whatever pvp talent is insane damage

Dark pact got immensely buffed

[cold escarp]

this?