cyclone is being acst on him
#pvp
primal bane
junior plover
tulip falcon
im gonna blow my brains out
tulip falcon
cope i think these classic players u were talking about have one up on you
junior plover
But I agree you guys are crazy elitist right now for whatever reason
primal bane
"for whatever reason"
junior plover
and some icons
literally overlap
between classes
that can play with one another
tulip falcon
i use the addon myself it's not about the addon at this point
junior plover
Sure you can play without bigdebuffs
primal bane
anything i say has to be wrong
tulip falcon
it's about it apparently being impossible to see stuff without the addon
tulip falcon
my point here
junior plover
It's possible to get glad playing on a steering wheel I bet
foggy ravine
saying its impossible to see any cds without addons is absurd lol
junior plover
its not a strong argument
primal bane
ofc its possible
junior plover
for steering wheel being viable
tulip falcon
because ur trying to shit talk people like "lol classic players were so bad" then saying you cant even tell when people press CDs without crutch addon
primal bane
i could use voice commands to play wow arena
fickle garnet
You can raid without timer add-ons but why would you
primal bane
and get 1k
tulip falcon
ur not right in the head dude
tardy hare
I play at 2.5 without voice rn
junior plover
I play at 2.5 without voice rn
he meant controlling the game with voice
primal bane
the cooldown has been popped
junior plover
i think
fickle garnet
My oven clock timer says the next mechanic is in 30s
primal bane
bigdebuffs you know as soon as it happens
tulip falcon
like holy fuck this dude wants to make me blow out my brains rn
primal bane
the difference is huge
primal bane
imagine playing this game and looking at every player's bfuf bar
every 2 seconds
to check for cooldowns
fucking lmfao
primal bane
so what do they do krassz
tulip falcon
no i use my eyes
foggy ravine
ya not everything but ya most
primal bane
and your eyes have the power of knowing the perfect time to check small shitty un-updated buff icons as soon as they appear?
tulip falcon
like where do u have ur target frame to the point u cant see their debuffs at all times
foggy ravine
defensive cds are harder to see imo
primal bane
AND react to it?
proven bridge
Is there a go-to lego for resto pvp?
junior plover
Defensive CDs are mostly impossible to see
primal bane
i can see them but like
tulip falcon
u catch a glimpse of a recognisable icon in peripheral vision
primal bane
how tf u saying u react to that without an addon
tulip falcon
oh he popped acd
primal bane
there is no way, ur overselling it by a long shot
tulip falcon
lmao dude like literally people didnt use this shit en mass until recently
stray sigil
primal bane
i can also react to it in 3-5 seconds sure, but thats so late
junior plover
u catch a glimpse of a recognisable icon in peripheral vision
I mean if you play like that then fair enough but most new pvp players never had to force themselves to learn such a useless skill
fickle garnet
People have been using stuff like this since tbc
junior plover
because of how prevalent addons are
and they can get 3k
without being able to catch icons
in peripheral vision
tulip falcon
this isnt the point here
stray sigil
tulip falcon
ofc its easier??
tulip falcon
this dude is saying its impossible to see and react to cds without it
junior plover
tulip falcon
thats the issue here
junior plover
It's not impossible but
junior plover
I agree it's a horrible experience compared to addons
tardy hare
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
fickle garnet
You're very likely to miss reacting to a cd that you'd react to otherwise
junior plover
and should be made baseline
primal bane
it very much is not possible and ill die on this hill
junior plover
if EVERYONE uses addons to see debuffs because its so much better
tulip falcon
lmfao
junior plover
how can you argue the game does it right
primal bane
you can like see good moments when someone could pop it, and they do, then u insta react
but there is no way you can vaguely know like that
fickle garnet
because your peripheral vision didn't see the guy on the right while you're focusing on the guy to the left while cc'ing the guy in the middle
fickle garnet
vs an add-on going "oh btw he did a thing"
tulip falcon
the only point i have an issue with is saying it's impossible to see without
primal bane
nah i wouldnt, id still be too late, reacting to me is not just seeing it in 3 seconds or less
when i say react, i mean like kicking convoke in 0.5s from casting
like i can now
junior plover
a bigger icon
tulip falcon
and people can do that without it
junior plover
doesnt make your reaction time shorter
fickle garnet
Like who the fuck notices a frost mage pop icy veins
primal bane
krassz does
tulip falcon
ur acting like every player who doesnt use it isnt able to react to any cds
junior plover
Your reaction time would be the same as right now
maybe ever so slightly longer
but the convoke icon could be 10px wide
tulip falcon
you cannot comprehend that just because you crutch with an addon doesn't mean that everyone else has to
junior plover
and if you played vs 1000 convokes
your brain would scream convoke
when these 10px change
primal bane
a big icon is a very clear threat indicator, while looking at buff bar is you inspecting for one then reacting
yes reaction time is the same, but finding the threat is much harder
fickle garnet
Tbh seeing incarn usually tells me Convoke is coming
because most boomies right now are riding Convoke to high ratings
tulip falcon
im on hold for it the sec i see incarn
junior plover
foggy ravine
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
tulip falcon
what if cope is just a master troll
fickle garnet
A god
primal bane
well i do realise the way i put my convoke now is not really good but idc
tulip falcon
im so done
primal bane
for extreme cases
stray sigil
🧑🌾
primal bane
hold on ima log in
foggy ravine
krass is about to have an aneurysm here
tulip falcon
this reminds me of mmo champion users
junior plover
I unironically only use this macro
primal bane
tulip falcon
that's different
junior plover
why would I ever kyrian without TF badge
foggy ravine
kiosk that makes perfect sense imo
junior plover
tulip falcon
it's also a much shorter cd lol
primal bane
i do this bc everytime i used convoke without incarn it genuinely did nothing
foggy ravine
I have badge / kyrian on seperate button but could easily just macro them
idk I keep everything seperate and just keep the hotkeys close enough to mash them all
junior plover
I dont think its ever correct to press badge and not press kyrian
tulip falcon
yea i never liked macroing abilities together
junior plover
and vice versa
tulip falcon
i only macro dmg trinket into shit
junior plover
one of those by themselves doesnt give enough pressure to force anything
primal bane
i have to separate my macro fireblood/trinket soon
junior plover
so its just a waste
primal bane
bc for some reason fireblood shares 30s cooldown with medallion
altough they have 0 things in common
i think fireblood can dispell fears but thats it
tulip falcon
i still have badge on separate bind tho as well as macro'd into abilities
primal bane
wait thats huge
tulip falcon
cos why not
primal bane
what is hoj considered?
junior plover
magic effect
primal bane
FUCK
primal bane
let me check
primal bane
YOOOO
stray sigil
its just a dispell on urself
junior plover
But if u can actually break fear with it u can break hoj too for sure
tulip falcon
what about it
stray sigil
cant break cc
surreal heron
dwarf and DiD racials are huge
junior plover
cant break cc
hoj can be dispelled
stray sigil
cant break fear
primal bane
it better remove SOME cc, otherwise why does it share a cooldown with medallion ?
junior plover
junior plover
cant break fear
gotcha
stray sigil
u cant press it in cc is my point
junior plover
gotcha gotcha
primal bane
yeah thyme, 250+ intellect is no joke before a setup
primal bane
it is im sitting through huge CCs after i do a big setup
junior plover
"Frustratingly, despite the primary appeal being a damage boost, as the cleanse can remove CC, it counts as a CC effect, and thus there is a 30 second window between using this and a pvp trinket,"
BFA wowhead
@stray sigil IS A BIG OL LAIR
stray sigil
no
tulip falcon
i think stoneform shares as well
primal bane
it does but at least its a defensive
primal bane
sitting through a full duration hoj feels un-natural
tulip falcon
it can remove some cc
like ones that dont result in complete loss of control
so like roots and shit
junior plover
Yeah that makes sense
Actually yeah I trust that
otherwise will of the forsake
would be so shit in comparison
its not even funny
tulip falcon
and also shit like spriest silence i think
primal bane
yes it can i tested that
primal bane
btw what is hex considered to be
junior plover
curse
stray sigil
no
tulip falcon
curse
primal bane
since it wont let you cast, but you move at full speed, its basically a silence?
junior plover
druid who doesnt know he can decurse frog
Its not a silence
you cant trinket a silence
stray sigil
cant remove hard cc
junior plover
its a polymorph effect
foggy ravine
its a polymorph
stray sigil
pls my brain
tulip falcon
lmao
junior plover
Yeah i gotchu now
junior plover
primal bane
idk if im being a sheep and i no longer have control of will
junior plover
foggy ravine
sheeps follow the herd
junior plover
tbh
foggy ravine
frogs are free to their own will
primal bane
thats what im saying, frogs should move dumb in circles too
junior plover
and u can move
primal bane
and it has a cooldown :)
tulip falcon
its also not a magic effect
stray sigil
poly can be dispelled by non healers
junior plover
Yeah its a tradeoff
junior plover
ure the ape
stray sigil
primal bane
nah but i dont get the logic behind it
at first i thought druids are so strongt vs polys bc they have control over their shaping
foggy ravine
polymorph works on humanoids and ebasts
primal bane
but apparently once ur in human form you dont
foggy ravine
druid forms are just immune to polymorph
junior plover
You used to be able to
primal bane
i hibernate so many druids lmfao
junior plover
they removed it at some point
junior plover
Getting polyd or hexed is the ultimate insult tho
same with scare beast
how bad are u
primal bane
i also learned that hex puts your target into combat
junior plover
its a "do you have cast bars on ui check"
primal bane
and even the "good" players simply forget
blissful belfry
some
foggy ravine
like priests are magic/diseases I think
junior plover
Yes
junior plover
yes
blissful belfry
but pally mist and priest cant i thikn
junior plover
also
how broken is Purge
fucking shamans
i can imagine if purge wasnt a thing rdruid would be playable
junior plover
foggy ravine
klepto p nasty vs. rdruids too
primal bane
TIL you can not spiritwalker the fleshcraft
for some reason
oh
bc its not shaman spell
primal bane
gotta retry
igts stupid that it wont work even with the description in mind
a shaman spell is a spell casted by a shaman
junior plover
hard disagree
otherwise it'd just say "spells"
great idea to have anima stay behind when you swap covenants blizz
definitely doesnt just make me hoard all of it
foggy ravine
spiritwalkers coulda been dispelled maybe
primal bane
oh most likely they had a lot of priests
exhaustion debuff is removed when gated open in epic BGs
and i just know this only got into the game after a shitsorm
junior plover
Whats a bad matchup for turbo
like the worst one
they seem fine into both rmp and godcomp
tardy hare
me
wise valley
Doesn't rmp beat turbo
junior plover
Idk Method EU played into it yesterday
and got fuccked
as both RMP and Godcomp
maybe just a bad day for them but it didnt look good for the rmp lol
tepid spoke
trail sorrel
foggy ravine
ye spec lad
clear pulsar
Holy fucking cock
dusty sphinx
Totally worth it
primal bane
nah u very much do a lot still
the genuniely good players are very rare
ive watched people get ledged by a priest simply walking up to them very slowly at 100% or less MS
multiple times
ledging is amazing in RBG, fun and effective
fluid elk
What is the best comp for 3s as a balance?
stray sigil
boomy ww prob or boomy mage
fluid elk
Thanks guys
junior plover
boomy sp kinda slaps
i feel like spriest is a ranged feral
makes me wanna play it
haughty compass
Mind games plays are real for sure
It’s too bad my resto sham buddy rage quit after getting trained by cleaves for an evening
deft tapir
spriest is like my favourite class to play with in general
instant ranged cc, pumper damage, sick utility, good defensives, good offheals.
primal bane
you move at 100% speed tho
unique turret
Hi guys, what are good comps for feral 2s and 3s?
wide crescent
junior plover
Hi guys, what are good comps for feral 2s and 3s?
Disc Feral/Hpal Feral/Holy Priest Feral in 2s
Jungle/FMP/Kittycleave in 3s
Destro Feral in 3s has potential too
new binds
cant wait to redo them all once i get a mmo mouse
haughty compass
Destro feral made top 8 lol
junior plover
Yeah Im gonna be playing destro feral
haughty compass
But they got 3-0d womp womp
solemn yoke
Aff feral priest was working pretty well for me the other night
haughty compass
I’ve been playing destro, it’s a blast
deft tapir
Bean said in his recent stream kittycleave feels the best rn, followed by jungle and fmp
unique turret
Thanks @junior plover
Jungle=disc, feral and hunter?
Whats kittycleave tho?
deft tapir
Warrior feral
unique turret
Oh ok, great, thanks
deft tapir
Kitty cleave is also probably easier than jungle if you’re newer. Hunter is hard for a lot of people to play/land traps etc
junior plover
Yep
Both FMP and Jungle are very setup heavy
Kitty cleave is pretty straight forward
pallid coral
@junior plover mostly because zev is 3250 or something playing it
which is just an absurd rating
for that comp
junior plover
Destro Kitty?
pallid coral
considering they're like the only ones playing it
and they're that high
it's kind of whack
junior plover
Its probably not great
but i dont wanna lfg for partners
and i have a buddy who wants to play destro
so it works for me
pallid coral
Im like 100% sure FMP is just the best feral comp
cause mages and paladins are just busted
junior plover
junior plover
I think Jungle is best because mages are busted
and crit immunity
is just stronk af
also RMP is still absurdly popular
for how mediocare it is
But all kitty comps are good af
pallid coral
I know he streamed Feral lock earlier in season
stray sigil
i do see him online super late
karmic kelp
pallid coral
He's played so much of that comp recently
clear pulsar
Cursed build
2 rdruids in this team
One is tree
The other is inner peace + photo
polar solstice
See guides saying necrolord for feral ? That an accurate statement ?
clear pulsar
See guides saying necrolord for feral ? That an accurate statement ?
Show guide
polar solstice
I see it right in icy veins shows the necrolord covenant tree under “soil binds and legendaries” and even in rotation tab it has adaptive swarm nothing else
clear pulsar
Yeah icy veins is not a pvp site
The pvp guides unless otherwise noted are maintained by someone who only plays mw
i.e. they aren't maintained at all
At some point necro was good in beta then it caught a 40% nerf
polar solstice
Ahh first time reading the PvP guides haha 🤷🏼♂️ I’m NF cause I raid as well was just curious what that was all about
Thank you @clear pulsar
tiny oar
Thank god supa believes in us idk what I'd do without his support!!
deft tapir
He's wrong we succ
edgy shale
ya i've seen ppl say feral is ~4th best melee. top 3 are degenerate as shit tho
pallid coral
4th is weird to me
clear pulsar
Yeah makes no sense
pallid coral
It seems pretty clearly 5 or 6
pallid coral
Ret war ww all clearly better no?
deft tapir
yes maam
edgy shale
ya thats clear
pallid coral
And then I think dk is better as well
edgy shale
oh i forgot dk existed
pallid coral
And rogue Vs feral is debatable
edgy shale
ya frost is pretty strong atm
pallid coral
But I think rogue is better than feral in ferals best comps
edgy shale
i think u could argue rogue is better in 2s and feral better in 3s
deft tapir
so still better than enh then
pallid coral
Sure
clear pulsar
I don't think sub v feral is very arguable bro
pallid coral
Uh idk about enhance
There's not enough people playing enhance for me to have a decent opinion of it imo
It's pretty gimmicky ATM
And the gimmick makes it look nuts
deft tapir
tbh there's like more enh than ferals lol
pallid coral
But idk if it's actually good you feel
edgy shale
idk, i hate rogue but it prob speaks to how strong the class is when pikaboo is on monk, idk if he still is but i saw he was playing it on awc
but its not like he's playing feral
clear pulsar
I think 4th is the highest you can put without completely sacrificing your dignity and we can chalk it up to a boomie thinking grass is greener on the other spec.
pallid coral
Pretty sure in the best feral compsn
deft tapir
LOL
pallid coral
(aka fmp)
deft tapir
tbf he rates boomy really high
deft tapir
Bean thinks so
pallid coral
So If same comp with rogue is just better
edgy shale
idk, prob. kitty cleave / jungle i doubt that would be better w/ a rogue
pallid coral
Is rogue not better?
edgy shale
but fmp yeah i think so
clear pulsar
Is ww arms better than ww fdk?
pallid coral
Yeah see I just don't think that kitty is actually good
deft tapir
bean thinks so
pallid coral
Bean has had a lot of crackhead oppinions in the past
deft tapir
and apparently supa watches beans stream because he was like "kitty is actually really good!" when I think beans the only one whose been playing it lol
pallid coral
Go look at what he thought the best talents were at start of legion
deft tapir
do i want 2
pallid coral
No they were very crackhead
deft tapir
His thoughts on comps seems to echo the majority rn though
like jungle is in a kind of rough spot
fmp is just worse rmp
edgy shale
when I think of good players and their opinions I always think of doublelift saying draven is garbage trash tier on release, then the next game he played he proceeded to get annihilated by a draven, and draven's passive bleed was removed shortly after
its hilarious how much great players can be straight up wrong
deft tapir
Oh absolutely. lol
pallid coral
Fox has been playing kitty too
deft tapir
like they obviously know better, or have a better chance of knowing better.
pallid coral
With Revo
deft tapir
but sometimes pros are dead wrong.
deft tapir
I'm sure fox does well with it no?
pallid coral
Playing games at like 2400 and I am not convinced
edgy shale
ya I've been watching soem fox play kitty cleave which is why i mentioned it
edgy shale
i dont really have the strongest powers of analysis of wow arena tho lol
deft tapir
I'm also a hella results oriented player
and ferals doing just okay on ladder and poopoo in tourney
pallid coral
But yeah I think I would put feral at 5 or 6
Probably leaning towards 6
If we're looking at best comps
edgy shale
wats ur opinion on assassination atm
edgy shale
that sounds about right. I've been seeing a lot more recently since the buffs an dam they pump
pallid coral
It's fmp or jungle I think
deft tapir
- i mean.. fire mage.
pallid coral
And I'm just going to live in confusion over zev
deft tapir
zev?
edgy shale
i think he's talkin' about the destro/feral at high ass rating
deft tapir
Oh right yeah lmao
deft tapir
I really like jungle rn, like the consistent setups and whatnot feel great. (first expac playing feral pretty much)
just I could definitely be down with another hpal nerf and a hunter buff lol
edgy shale
yeah, whenever a big pvp patch happens I bet the big offenders get hit and if that happens its not even like hunter/feral needs a buff they'll just be really strong based off the other classes getting weaker
I'd take a buff tho, why not
deft tapir
yeah if they even nerf the fuckin arms warriors and shit lol
finite marlin
what do yall run for rbgs as resto ?
clear pulsar
yeah, whenever a big pvp patch happens I bet the big offenders get hit and if th...
Nah we def need a dmg buff to bleeds stop with that nonsense
finite marlin
what do yall run for rbgs as resto ?
deft tapir
if they buffed bleeds they'd prob have to nerf bite
they wouldn't even have to nerf bite if they buffed bleeds really.
edgy shale
feral already freaking pumps though
I dont wanna become overtuned just to get nerf hammered into the dust
deft tapir
pretty much exclusively in gos.
like feral has probably one of the weakest sustained damage in general no?
edgy shale
no way, feral has really good sustained damage
its just like we aren't always allowed to be doing it with having to go into bear, throw offheals, etc
deft tapir
didn't tony do the least damage in all 3 awc games
edgy shale
if u can sit in cat and pump, feral is gonna do amazing consistent damage
if ur the focus and spend half the match in bear, then yeah
ur numbers aren't gonna look stellar
idk I'd take buffs for sure but if feral just got huge buff to bleeds and we can just bleed sum1 to death then 20k bite that seems too godo
stray sigil
feral doesnt have stellar consistent dmg
stray sigil
like play jungle vs turbo
each zugzug the healers
ur bottom of details
everytime
clear pulsar
Berserk wishes it was half the cd that ascendance is
edgy shale
ya that was my point tho. like feral has the damage, we just can't actually do it in practice cuz we gotta go outta form n shit
stray sigil
i just told u
deft tapir
I don't really mean a huge buff to bleeds, literally just anything.
stray sigil
a scenario where ur like
95% of the game in cat
unless ur like triple bleeding
maybe double with bt
ur not gonna see top dmg charts from a feral
edgy shale
idk, i feel like that doesn't happen to me. maybe im just playing against shitters or y'all gotta work on ur pve rotation lol
but yeah i don't see feral doing more than war/ww/enhanc
i guess
deft tapir
I mean because you work on gos, you can't even pve properly.
because you cant bite willy nilly
you need those cps for the stun
stray sigil
i mean what do u face where ur top dam @edgy shale
deft tapir
In most games I win I'm last on the charts, but our gos are great.
like even the leggo is basically only for gos.
or tank obvs
edgy shale
im not top dam every game by any means, but in games like u said where we just train healer.
1 of the top of my head from yesterday it was 2s me and a priest against fdk hpal and i smoked him in damage even who he kept getting mad bounces lol
i don't outdps like ww or arms pretty much ever
stuff like mage, boomy etc, i can idk
edgy shale
definitely has somethin to do w/ the fact im not that high mmr, so i get a lot more time to pve and make dumb mistakes that y'all don't get lol
deft tapir
Eh, I'm not that high either
But even at 1.8 I can't outdamage ret/war/ww/boomy/enh/spriest/even mm (the last one is mostly bc of going bear and utility probably lol)
even when just pveing
edgy shale
like face said zerk is prob the worst 3 min CD in the entire game. But feral can do damage outside of its CDs, i think that's a nice adv
like all u need for a 20k bite is tf / maybe badge
1 min cd
deft tapir
Eh yeah, kyrian is nicer for 1 minute cd
I went kyrian for it.
The flexibility of feral rn is it's best asset by far
decent off heals
clone
hard to kill
and flexible gos because it's only a 1 minute cd on your big go
2 stuns too
At least that's how I feel.
I have a question for @pallid coral though
deft tapir
I'll just toss it here so maybe he can see it.
No one runs savage roar, if Kyrian 1 minute go is just stun ff bite, why is soul better than the extra dam from savage roar.
edgy shale
kinda meaningless though?
ya i guess, but the point was we both just PVE'd and I won lol
at least in m+ savage roar sims higher than sotf for a lot of ppl, but its like... do u really wanna fuck with a whole other button u have to track for like a ~10 dps upgrade
its prob same in pvp
deft tapir
I do actually miss roar.
Being able to use a cp dump at range for a free heal or root was always really nice'
and with rip being as shit as it is, wouldn't it be almost more useful to dump them into a savage roar
I'm sure there is an actual answer though, since literally like 0.2% of glad ferals run savage roar
- it's a 15% dam upgrade to ff and brutal slash on gos compared to soul
stray sigil
i mean in 2s ur literally competing vs 1 person in dmg
vs 3 in 3s
i can sit on a fire mage in 2s
and do 4x his dmg
doesnt mean anything
edgy shale
sure, my only point from the start of this convo is is just don't awnt feral to get hard buffed at the same time other classes get nerfed, then its broken and gets hard nerfed
thats all lol
ive seen it happen 2 many times
deft tapir
Fair, but
edgy shale
they did that to syndra
deft tapir
I was kind happy, I think feral is good and out of nerf range.
But they're not even nerfing classes sooo
I would like a lil more damage pls :)
so @pallid coral why no savage roar
edgy shale
ya i saw soo many of those threads recently
eveen when ij ust go to my front page or wahtever, they sneak in
twilit siren
do you guys get bug on seething shore where people are on boat?
stray sigil
ppl asking for soloq daily on worldofpvp
deft tapir
Tbf finding partners is a hassle but arena is so much different than other competitive esports
primal bane
so is every esport game in comaprison with every other esport game
you will not believe what they all do have however
primal bane
yeah dota cod same shit different letters
literally every game has a solo q except wow
deft tapir
Comp doesn’t really matter nearly as much in those games.
primal bane
yes it do
but guess what
you adapt
the enemy team will have just as shit of a comp
deft tapir
I’d be down with like solo que 2s with less rewards than regular rated arena
primal bane
ok but keep in mind solo q will most likely completely kill rated arena
deft tapir
Lmao it absolutely won’t at all
tepid spoke
2s has already less rewards than 3v3
stray sigil
like soloq
primal bane
except you get fucking nothing for playing it xd
deft tapir
Yeah but there’s no solo que option
tepid spoke
no it aint tbh because solo q would match you with ppl your same rating
primal bane
people want to play the "ranked" version
this is why you also have unranked in all those games
thats fucking dead
or at least way less played
the crave for rank progression
stray sigil
ranked in league atleast in na
primal bane
is what keeps you hooked to the machine
deft tapir
I think solo que is a pipe dream and will give rise to literally more complaints than now
stray sigil
soloq wouldnt work in this game
deft tapir
Millions of “look they got fmp while I got paired with a mw and demo lock”
stray sigil
because some class have inherently 0 synergy
stray sigil
and synergy is a big part of arenas
primal bane
literally the exact same amount of times
primal bane
no one will have a valid solo q comaplint just temporary salt
deft tapir
Just like they are now
deft tapir
No like you don’t understand these people
primal bane
now its just unhappy and waiting yknow
deft tapir
They will want some system in it that pairs you with synergistic classes because of it
primal bane
yeah and they wont get it but my support for solo q comes from
this innate gatekeep of all the end game content but ESPECIALLY pvp
its so fucking borderline masochistic
to pvp without connections
you actually will wait for a hpal 30 minutes
just so he can die in the opener and leave party
deft tapir
You make em bud
primal bane
id rather play in that amount of time
right now arena pugging which is the REALSITIC way you pvp
is going into 50/50 tandems with people who keep quitting
till you find one good team and go up 100-200 cr
deft tapir
I literally just started pvping this expac and have multiple partners I’ve found and hit up
edgy shale
i think cope is right that having solo Q would increas the popularity of pvp, and idk wat else he's even saying
edgy shale
i dont have much opinion on if it should be added or not
deft tapir
I think making a solo que 2s ladder is a fine idea
stray sigil
soloq for 2s is even more problematic lol
deft tapir
2s is already a meme
primal bane
and show me a pug
primal bane
that doesnt want exp
and usually 2k
wtf is this? a job offer?
i want to have fun
deft tapir
Does that really matter? @stray sigil
primal bane
why am i required to have exp to enter pvp?
stray sigil
it does lol
deft tapir
How
stray sigil
i dont understand like u do realize shit costs money right
they dont just create shit out of thin air
theyd have to make 2 ladders 1 for double dps
and 1 for healer dps
deft tapir
Making a solo que and a system to track rank?
stray sigil
and not allow double dps to q into healer dps prob
deft tapir
They already have solo que with skirms
primal bane
whats the point of that?
stray sigil
because then u have a outlaw rogue fury war qin into ww hpal
deft tapir
No healers in solo que 2s then tada
primal bane
thats the whole point
stray sigil
so random joe who only plays healer
primal bane
of being a ranked system
halcyon tree
Can anyone help me with an issue im having in arena as resto?
stray sigil
keep going
deft tapir
If skirms were rewarding/had a ladder people would be happy
primal bane
someone who reached 2k with fury war is just as strong of a teammate as someone who gets there with ww monk
edgy shale
i mean, so what? u get countered in other games and they still have solo Q. play a melee against heimer top and ist the closestr thing to living hell in a video game. I just don't think wow makes full sense to have solo Q, and then ppl would prob wqant solo Q for mythics or some dumb shit
but idk
maybe they could make it work
primal bane
lol league is very mild with its counterpicks but yeah
halcyon tree
I am having my heals on my 2s partner show up as absorbed?
stray sigil
outplay potential in this game
edgy shale
its def dumb how bad reddit ppl want it tho
stray sigil
is not what it used to be
primal bane
idk why people see it like the end of the world that u can no longer min max classes and comps
deft tapir
@halcyon tree playing against unholy dk prob
primal bane
its rated, you win you rank you lkose you derank
blizzard is not monitoring your account to only give you mw healers
they do that for me
stray sigil
i mean cope u would be the first dude
edgy shale
ehh, is league mild w/ counterpicks? there's some MUs where u just autolose lane
deft tapir
Playing proper comps is fun.
deft tapir
Playing demo lock mw surv hunter is not fun
halcyon tree
@deft tapir No... it was resto shaman ret paladin
Its happening like every fucking game
deft tapir
Classes have antisynergy
halcyon tree
im really confused
vast vapor
so best way to gain rating in soloque is to pick the spec that works with most setups
gloomy token
Its natural to demand a system that can fuck you whenever it wants so i can complain about it
stray sigil
its all about synergy in kits
soloq would not work in a game like wow
because of that
obviously ud have classes that would work with everything
deft tapir
I mean it would “work”
stray sigil
thats besides the point
deft tapir
It would just be a cluster fuck
edgy shale
i don't disagree with ur opinion on solo Q fuji, but idk if I get that argument fully. Like mobas matter immensely when it comes to synergy too, and they still have solo Q
primal bane
idk why u think other games are not about synergy, what will happen is that synergy will transfer to high level games, and completely disappear from duelist and below
stray sigil
cuz team comp synergy matter fuck all
deft tapir
There’s not nearly as much anti synergy in cs,league,dota
primal bane
im 100% sure you dont play dota
edgy shale
thats not how the game works at a higher level lol
primal bane
league/cs yeah
vast vapor
other games also dont go straight to game start from queue
deft tapir
I literally play dota
primal bane
but dota is very much 100% reliant on your hero choices
vast vapor
except fps games
stray sigil
i mean sure if u play shaco top in league
primal bane
ok you literally play dota
stray sigil
ur gonna havea hard time
primal bane
and you tell me that dota does not have these issues?
stray sigil
but like
primal bane
broodmother into LC?
edgy shale
u have to deal w/ shaco tops on ur team every other game
primal bane
lycan into pudge?
deft tapir
Yeah for sure, and you get fucked by someone picking techies after you already picked qop
primal bane
medusa with no early game supports?
deft tapir
On your team
primal bane
yes exactly
stray sigil
i mean u have 3 other people to pick up the slack from the "troll" pick
if u 2v2 soloq
deft tapir
Yeah solo que fucking blows lmao
stray sigil
ur alone
deft tapir
I only play 5s now
primal bane
but you simply manage, its not meant to be a perfect game from the start
halcyon tree
Seriously though...
primal bane
both teams do with what they got
stray sigil
why even bring league into this argument
stray sigil
not remotely a good example
deft tapir
@halcyon tree honestly couldn’t tell ya, you said it’s happened multiple games in a row?
halcyon tree
but if you look at my combat log 5k swiftmend just absorbed
primal bane
ur actually
halcyon tree
then my 2s partner dies
primal bane
right aobut that one savant
vast vapor
mobas would be so much better without solo que but its not happening because of no players
halcyon tree
its not just that my hots are being absorbed with no explanation no overheal, nothing
deft tapir
@halcyon tree is your partner necro
primal bane
in my eyes, a multi r1 player should literally always win a 1v2 vs 2 1800s
halcyon tree
Yes why
deft tapir
He already died bud
primal bane
20% for the multi r1 guy
edgy shale
wait, why? mobas are games that require a really high level of coordination between teammates, and solo Q doesn't even operate the way the game actually should be played. I think wow arena is the same. solo Q would just ruin the competitive integrity of the game and lead u to cheese instead of doing what matters most which is playing on the same gameplan and ur teammates and playing to ur wincons
fathom oxide
whata going on here
halcyon tree
But hes alive and still taking damage in the combat log as well
and it will happen in the middle of the fight
not when he is close to death
deft tapir
Oh then it might be something else
primal bane
cheese is not about solo q, its about how good the enemy team is
just let people
hit other people
edgy shale
Na ladder is 90% cheese and 1 tricks
deft tapir
Idk I would like 2s dps solo que tbh
primal bane
and give them conquest
edgy shale
its why Na is fucking ass
deft tapir
I want meaningful practice without fucking my rating when friends aren’t on
primal bane
dont force them to maintain perfect team comps or pre-make their team
fathom oxide
soloq is awesome
edgy shale
supports coming mid and taking farm is awesome
primal bane
dota has solo mmr and party mmr btw, party mmr means anytime ur anything but solo queuing
edgy shale
primal bane
and guess what, nobody cares about party mmr
because everyone knows how easy it is when u actually can play with people you can communicate with
vast vapor
yep
primal bane
thats
deft tapir
Ye?
primal bane
so broken lol
vast vapor
its pog
primal bane
i remember all the lost games bc there wasnt a "no party queue in my queue" option
vast vapor
promotes actual teamplay
fathom oxide
i prefred when they had 2
deft tapir
You couldn’t before? Lol
edgy shale
wtf that word isn't wardened?
primal bane
and ud often see like
fathom oxide
soloq and team1 is diffrwnt game both are fun
edgy shale
MODS
primal bane
1.7k solo but 3k+ party
deft tapir
Yeah but I thought that was just for 5s
primal bane
nah anything above duo
edgy shale
primal bane
having evne one other player you can trust and talk to
is so fucking big
woah shaun
deft tapir
Cringe
edgy shale
I GOT WARDENED
primal bane
we need to have a talk
gloomy token
Did someone say rape
edgy shale
TF
gloomy token
LOL
deft tapir
edgy shale
ima just hold that
primal bane
but yeah anyways, put a ilvl minimum on pvp
and just let people fucking
queue please :D
i just want
to mash pvp queue
and get conquest
edgy shale
u know the redditors want pvp templates, right?
primal bane
not 3 conquest per hour like queueing epic BGs
i want to actually simply do fun arenas and progress my gear
weak hinge
@primal bane so you want rated skirmish?
primal bane
pretty much
w/e oyu want to call it
let me fucking hit other players
and give me conquest
weak hinge
Skirmish is aids
primal bane
and ill be happy
vast vapor
you can do that now
primal bane
yes at snail's pace
edgy shale
1 a day lol
deft tapir
2s is a meme anyway, just again, give it a dumb solo que option
vast vapor
just lfg something like low cr
primal bane
thats pve players playgrounds
they are fucking disgusting creatures
the shit ive heard and seen is enough to terrorize millions
all from pve players
deft tapir
I have definitely felt the sting of a long time spent in lfg
vast vapor
it should be close to 50% winrate at some point anyway and games are just as fast as them would be in soloq
primal bane
and just went up and told me
"wait let me buy pvp trinkets"
??????????????????????????????????????????????????
deft tapir
Ah I wasn’t aware your partner was a dk my b
primal bane
no but rlly my friend