prot palys btfo'd
#pvp
scenic snow
kinda weird that ww monks didn't get any nerfs tho
tiny oar
scenic snow
or arms warriors even
edgy shale
i know... i get the feral change is power neutral, or even a buff but holy shit i can't believe feral is getting "nerfs" before those 2 cl asses
tiny oar
Think arms is fine other than like intervene duration / cd
They just kinda crank all the time consistently
edgy shale
i hate ww way more than arms, yea, but I still think arms is more of a problem than feral lol
shadow dagger
arms and ww fine but feral was too strong
omegalul
honestly
dont look at this as feral too strong
stray sigil
i think ww is so much worse than war
shadow dagger
look at this as blizzard has no fucking idea what theyre doing
stray sigil
but war has intervene
shadow dagger
because nfae feral isnt even the best pvp spec
all the top rated ferals are kyrian
stray sigil
na
shadow dagger
look
stray sigil
theres a bunch of nf
shadow dagger
on ladder the highest rated are kyrian
stray sigil
at like 3k on na
stray sigil
formy calderg
pallid coral
and its all kyrian on eu
stray sigil
eu does have better ferals
shadow dagger
so yea
primal bane
RIP convoke
stray sigil
so id look at eu personally
shadow dagger
blizzard just taking shots in the dark
primal bane
at least i got 1.8k before it got nerfed
tiny oar
Ya ww is like I die in a sweep thru pre bear barkskin full hots lvl of disgust
vapid nexus
swam buffs when
edgy shale
what was that jungle team that was smoking eu in end of 8.3?
stray sigil
cassidy zunni facilez
edgy shale
ya they are insane
vapid nexus
I crafted natural order's will at 190 just to have a means for living keyboardwalker
foggy ravine
Just another reason to go kyrian now amirite
pallid coral
zunni not on that team anymore tho
rigid linden
:convoke:
tiny oar
scenic snow
more reason yes, but gonna stay kamehameha-mode for a while longer still
stray sigil
ya zunni not there but rez is kinda lit too
thorny venture
the thing is, 20% damp is only if it's healers on both sides
foggy ravine
Venthyr kek
thorny venture
you can still have prot/dps with no dampening against double dps
tiny oar
swaps heals for melee stuff yea
Yea thought it might soak a surge or sumthing sad
tiny oar
Death 2 all tank arena players
vital parcel
resto affinity ftw
thorny venture
In 2v2 Arenas, Dampening will begin at 20% when both teams have either a tank or healer.
If one side is double dps, there is no dampening right away
vital parcel
oh
primal bane
so how bad is convoke now
foggy ravine
P much unchanged
vital parcel
foggy ravine
My surges hit 15-20k anyways
edgy shale
not aoe tho
ruby walrus
Disc priest walks away completly clean which is BS, No resto buffs unfort
Holy barley gets hit
edgy shale
this patch woulda been perfect to me if they just did something to ww. I've said taht 3x in the last 5 min but i seriously can't get over it
foggy ravine
Cancel WW
vital parcel
Maybe its just the first change before the next awc
edgy shale
seriously cancel ww
foggy ravine
they might come with more before Tuesday
tiny oar
Disc priest walks away completly clean which is BS, No resto buffs unfort
Why would disc need any nerfs lol
ruby walrus
??
foggy ravine
Disc is fine imo
edgy shale
maybe leave disc alone but nerf shadow games
tiny oar
They're perfectly fine bro
vital parcel
buff resto and mw, nerf hpala
ruby walrus
What? RBG meta is literally double Disc rn, they are atleast 2 in every other setting
thorny venture
nah, this is probably like the pve tuning patch where their initial post turned out to be it.
vital parcel
rbg omegalul
foggy ravine
Disx have lots of cds but they oom so fast
edgy shale
im pretty sure RBG meta is rshman/resto then paly/ 1 disc
pallid coral
RBG meta is double disc
edgy shale
well the more u know
pallid coral
no other heal comp comes close to double disc
tiny oar
Mw needs sumthing I dont think rdruid does honestly as long as they tune the more absurd dmg shit
foggy ravine
Give resto Druids and second swiftmend
edgy shale
i know that's true for overall healing cuz that one shielding ability is nutty nutty
tiny oar
Assuming they have more changes after this, praying tbh
vital parcel
yeah
I feel like this is just a rushed version
but who knows
they never cease to surprise me
ruby walrus
Okay in
3's they are by far the 2nd best healer right next to pally
in 2's they are also second best
In RBG's they are number 1 to the point where you basically need 2
foggy ravine
And mind games ofc
dire nymph
One thing that really stuck out to me trying r druid after feral is that feral swiftmend feels like it heals for more than resto
vital parcel
cuz of the crit prob
ruby walrus
Resto would be so much better if they just got some purge protection
still wouldnt be best or even second but would help the class so much
vital parcel
has mage ever been bad?
rogue is understandable for it has been shit pve several expansions
but mage just seems to be top 5 at everything, everytime
pretty questionable imo
ruby walrus
I mean it would be so easy to just give R druids a hot protection pvp talent it actually wouldnt break the game at all and would make us atleast viable in some settings
gritty plume
So how bad is the full moon change?
primal bane
unplayable garbage
quartz swallow
Yeah ill second that and ask how bad is the feral frenzy change. I always had that talent but never noticed that it was used during convoke
primal bane
go necro
vital parcel
I mean its definitely worse, but how much idk
scenic snow
full moon used to have a 20% chance to proc once per convoke, so if you were relying on that chance to win... I'm sorry to tell you dude but you had a 80% chance to lose in that case
quartz swallow
Well since feral frenzy isn't in rotation wouldn't it mean that the roll may use ferocious bite more, which equals a flat dose increase?
ruby walrus
It makes it basically NF nonviable for feral is the major change with it
scenic snow
same argument for feral since it's also 20%
ruby walrus
But also I wouldnt be surprised to see more people switch covenants because of it
Other options just become way better if you lose a 20% shot to win, it already wasnt the prime covenant for Feral
If you were taking it before you were doing it for the 20% shot to insta win, imo
scenic snow
yeah night fae was the less-viable but fun choice from the start, so nothing changed kekw
ruby walrus
A fun shot at a oneshot, which was basically why you would play NF feral
scenic snow
which you can still totally do
ruby walrus
Yeah but like the odds are undoubtedly lower now
rigid linden
what r u saying
scenic snow
nobody will ever survive a convoke without good healing or defensives, this is still the case bro
forest kite
I don't play feral but was frenzy good or just another filler like wrath during convoke
after reading the tooltip, how is that a nerf, that's a direct buff for feral
queen copper
nobody understands convoke dw
ruby walrus
So you think losing Feral Frenzy is a buff?
queen copper
its liek the rbg team panicking when a boomy runs in and full convokes on the entire team as if it does more damage
forest kite
if you get another bite, yeah
queen copper
meanwhile he moonfires everyone
scenic snow
they couldn't have made a better change to convoke, now the scrubs will stop crying for atleast a while because they don't get oneshotted in half a second when a Full Moon procs, and the druids can keep on convoking like nothing's changed, perfect nerf
queen copper
they couldn't have made a better change to convoke, now the scrubs will stop cry...
they still gonna get 1 shot solo
forest kite
seems like an indirect buff to timeworn dreambinder as well however small
scenic snow
yeah they are but not in half a second, more like in one or two seconds now
edgy shale
idk, I'll take a bite over feral frenzy, but i want feral frenzy over a shred
just depends how its gonna work
scenic snow
in any case it was a good symbolic nerf to calm the crybabys, kyrian is the actual good covenant for boomers not night fae
potent comet
But AOE in BGs Its a bit difference is lots of people get say squished by a certain start into same part of hold point
tulip falcon
literally no change to feral im gucci with this
edgy shale
ya its def a nerf for boomies in RBGs, I've had multiple full moons hit multiple people and just sm ash em
not a BIG nerf or anything
tulip falcon
couldnt give a rats ass about feral frenzy proccing
queen copper
ya its def a nerf for boomies in RBGs, I've had multiple full moons hit multiple...
you only get 1 moon
tulip falcon
gimme bites
edgy shale
cuz getting full moon is low chance, let alone aoe talking like 5% of convokes
scenic snow
don't think you can get multiple
edgy shale
i don't mean multiple full moons per convoke
potent comet
The full moon that is, I mainly just like the visual for FM in PvP. In arena if it procs early on convoke FM deletes stuff
edgy shale
i just mean over my history of playing boomy in RBGs I've had full moons carry fights
like 5% of convokes, so its just low ass chance
pallid coral
20% chance per convoke
edgy shale
yes, im saying like 1/4 of the time it hits multiple people
where the nerf would matter
scenic snow
I'm not sure about the details of how boomer convoke works, but I guess there could be a barrier that keeps two Starsurges from proccing next to each other, whereas the Full Moon might have been able to bypass that and have Full Moon and Starsurge proc next to each other, but yeah no idea how it works just theorizing
forest kite
idk i've seen more thrashes cast than full moons in moonkin form
edgy shale
i just threw out an arbitrary number, just to say hitting multiple people with a full moon doesn't happen often, but when it does its big
tepid spoke
So
i am guessing the moon is replaced by another surge
or how does it work
so its not that bad i guess
surge still hits like a truck
ebon vortex
yea surge is still gonna hit like 12k lol
primal bane
full moon aoe hits for full dmg?
tepid spoke
mine hit for 20k
ebon vortex
oof
ive not seen higher than 14 with 25% vers
also these nerfs are nowhere near enough lmfao
incredibly small nerf to hpalla
tulip falcon
idk its a step at least
at least its not an overreaction like it usually is
and they overnerf
ebon vortex
i doubt we'll see like actual changes until the end of season tbh
edgy shale
i would happily take overnerfed hpal
ebon vortex
ret is still gonna pump bigger wog than hpalla too
tulip falcon
why lol
edgy shale
cuz im tired of them being good
ebon vortex
most of the issue with ret and prot wog is healing hands/hand of the protector
tulip falcon
ah yes revenge nerfs
tulip falcon
"i get annoyed that this spec is good so overnerf it til its unviable"
forums balancing suggestions in a nutshell tho tbh
ebon vortex
i would be ok never seeing another ret pally in the game tbh
edgy shale
enough
tulip falcon
i dont think thats ever the goal
ebon vortex
fukin dumbass rng conduit that does like 15k damage lmfao
edgy shale
league and dota have both given up on making a game liek that "balanced" and they do turns
tulip falcon
intentionally giving something a "turn" at being good would be fucking awful
edgy shale
whether its an ideal system or not is up for discussion, but I def think it fatigues the playerbase for one thing to be overwhelmingly strong for too long
tulip falcon
destiny 2 also do some forced meta bullshit and its annoying
edgy shale
hpal doesn't need to turn into dirt, but for them not to be meta would be gerat
ebon vortex
ideally everything in wow should be viable all the time
tulip falcon
yea well balance is never perfectly achievable
its just about getting as close to it as you can
ebon vortex
rerolling is a big commitment in wow which is why its dumb they have the mentality that the community should come up with counters before blizz nerf it
also theres only like 3 people working on pvp which doesnt help lol
livid heart
"Getting as close to it as you can" sees no resto druid in awc
edgy shale
ya conquest cap is pretty broken for rerolling atm, but learning a new class ain't always easy depending
ebon vortex
its a good few hours of time comitttment to get it up to the current level lol
ruby walrus
SOul ash and reknown are major gates
ebon vortex
leveling itself takes like 5-6 hours then cov quests take another 3 or so
tulip falcon
"Getting as close to it as you can" sees no resto druid in awc
ye never said it was close now
ebon vortex
not including gearing
edgy shale
ive been in the process of learning feral for months now and im still horrbible
livid heart
Major gate for my alts is the vault misses
ebon vortex
you still have to do campaign tho
edgy shale
ye catchups in this xpac are gerat, only thing is getting enuf soul ash
which takes like 1-2 weeks and ur good
ebon vortex
yea not that the catch-up is bad
tulip falcon
i lose cos my legendary is 190 and not 210!! fk blizzard timegating!!
ebon vortex
more that theres a much higher investment to switching class/spec than in other games
so balancing with the "someone will come up with a counter" idealogy isnt exactly healthy
edgy shale
lol ur not wrong, ya what harry said
learning a new lol character is easier than wow spec
tulip falcon
or just dont reroll and play whatever you enjoy even if its shit
ebon vortex
rerolled hpalla and i have 0 regrets tho lmfao
livid heart
What? Every wowspec is the same. Movement keybound. .kick keybound. Cckeybound. Then rotation. Like I literally could make a new class and no exactly where each spell goes. Though I've played for years
ruby walrus
Assuming you have no trouble finding groups that is since pvp is group based
hardy tartan
rerolling as a shaman is unpleasent i will tell u that
ebon vortex
i was rerolling shaman first and then i realized i hate how shaman plays lol
livid heart
Well rshaman is the highest skillcap healer in the game. Change my mind
ebon vortex
hurr i press riptide
ruby walrus
DIsc priest for sure lol
hardy tartan
not even about its skill cap, who wants an ele or resto when you can have hpal or fire magoo
edgy shale
mw is cuz of balance reasons lol
tulip falcon
ret is the highest skillcap healer
hardy tartan
get out
ebon vortex
hpalla is very hard to play
hardy tartan
stop
umbral comet
Prot pally
hardy tartan
i beg u
tulip falcon
ye prot pala is probably actually the hardest healer mb
ebon vortex
sometimes when you play hpala you have to press a lot of buttons
such as word of glory, holy shock,
edgy shale
and idk, some classes are easy to learn, but I bet it would take u more than an hour to play lock. blah blah just spam fear, but there's intricacies to every class
hardy tartan
druid > disc > rsham > mw > fire mage > hpal in terms of difficulty
ebon vortex
druid is defo highest skillcap in pve and pvp
livid heart
Don't be biased in druid discord pls smh
kindred galleon
Finesse or potency first on pelagos? What are y’all’s thoughts?
ebon vortex
the hardest part of hpala is using your cooldowns right
the healing rotation is stupidly easy
foggy ravine
Druid is hardest cuz you gotta heal without using any of your hots!
livid heart
Actually ignoring biasedness. Its like going into the hunter discord and them telling u that it isn't the most braindead starter class
foggy ravine
Lifebloom spam go brrrrr
ebon vortex
also the double bloom leggo has been bugged since launch for rdruid with focused growth but they havent fixed it lol
not that anyone uses that in pvp
surreal loom
Isnt the loss of frenzy on convoke a buff? More bites?
hardy tartan
im not being biased lol ive just played all the healers in pvp
tulip falcon
Isnt the loss of frenzy on convoke a buff? More bites?
bro im fine with feral convoke "changes" lmao
livid heart
Clearly u haven't if u think cyclone is comparable to totem prediction and windshear
hardy tartan
ur dumb
livid heart
Ur dumb actually
edgy shale
NO UR DUMB
hardy tartan
no ur dumb
livid heart
#keepbeingbiased
tepid spoke
low budget bell is up guys
hardy tartan
bro i play a mage
tulip falcon
hardy tartan
i have no bias towards rdruid haha
livid heart
Clearly no intelligence
ebon vortex
saying rshaman is hard because of totem prediction is like saying druid is hard because of shapeshifting to avoid cc
livid heart
"I've played all healers " "bro I play mage" durrrrrrrr
edgy shale
no... ur dumb
hardy tartan
press toems iz hard 
livid heart
"I've played all healers " "bro I play mage" durrrrrrrr
wheat laurel
Do you guys convoke without ca often or always with ca
livid heart
Probably at 1600 u played all healers gtfo dummy
hardy tartan
nahh
tiny oar
R u guys meming each other or what's going on lol
edgy shale
no... ur dumb
wheat laurel
Idk convoke with eclipse still pressures cool downs I feel like
edgy shale
lol i was just continuing my meme from earlier
wheat laurel
Unless your confident you can kill I think ca always on convoke is kinda a waste
median kraken
The loss of full moon is no big deal, it happens like 1/12 convokes perhaps
primal bane
i tested it myself
its more tahn 1 in 10 at least
i was bored and randomly convoke macro dummies waiting to get into a raid
did it more than 30 times
wheat laurel
30 times isn’t that big of a sample size tbh you should sim it
primal bane
keep in mind
in order to be truly good
its also gotat be a full moon in the first 2 seconds
wheat laurel
Yeah I feel like with utility alone and out ss burst it’s good enough with a good comp
Our*
median kraken
Big true
Chain starsurge with incarn is more than enough, cumvoke is overkill if it gets to be cast lol
And full moon starsurge in 1 global is 50% slower than a rogue opener!
crude minnow
Convoke on incarn is more to double stack the mastery. Dreambinder, CA, +mastery from convoke is fat
You convoke and they interrupt thinking that is your burst lol
crude minnow
Not dreamweaver. Timeworn dreambinder
hardy tartan
im so happy 4 ww buffs
median kraken
Convoke does some nice damage but if they kick it and it builds enough ap then we gaming men
Ss for days
primal bane
well sludgefist is done
and it was sub 4 hours
m+ actually
are those pet changes changing anything about the hunter at least?
is BM still shit?
cold vale
i am guessing the moon is replaced by another surge
This is not necessarily true, right? Full moons took the place of a random balance spell, so the removal of full moon from convoke might just mean an extra wrath, not always an extra starsurge
primal bane
we dont know the new %s tho
since moon was removed osmething has to take it place
not necessarily evenly
blissful belfry
Something isnt replacing moon. Moon is just not going to replace something else
Your convokes will be exactly the same as they were before when no moon were procing
severe viper
tiny oar
real men use tournament favor toy to bait kicks
I do this with fleshcraft since I dont have ultimate form yet, lots of ppl auto kick it lol
primal bane
thaths literally not possible tho :D
there are still 16 spells
and when deciding which spell comes up next
it uses a pool of %
every spell that can be possibly casted has a %
that % needs to be 100
when everything is added
so they couldve put the full moon % spread out in all kinds of ways
cold vale
I'm pretty sure it was 3-5 starsurges, moonfire if the target didn't have it, and the rest wraths as far as balance spells go
primal bane
thats a completely different thing from patch notes tho
removing the full moon from the pool
or removing it entirely and -1 random spells
green valve
Most likely they just disabled the full moon in pvp
So the rest of the spell functions the same
Vs tweaking individual %
primal bane
you trolling?
cold vale
Right, so it's still 3-5 starsurges. There's no extra surge to replace the missing full moons
primal bane
it will be more of X spell
chrome panther
Where do we know that?
green valve
Why would it be more?
cold vale
Yes it is
green valve
Theyre just disabling the proc
primal bane
6th grade math
cold vale
It's not purely random
green valve
So spread the % out evenly
cold vale
It's not
primal bane
if they spread the full moon more into starsurges we might get one extra surge now
chrome panther
id love to see them bug out convoke and it just rails 16 starsurges
primal bane
has there ever been a pvp ability as fun as convoke in wow yet
primal bane
ye but ret usuallyone shots
with some small rng chance of a proc no?
not big button push
chrome panther
its pretty fun walking up to someone, proccing wings, proccing a 6k auto, a 14k TV, and divine toll multi-procs
cold vale
Right so, when full moon does not proc in pve, it is always 3-5 surges. Now it'll be 3-5 surges in pvp. On average, the moon replaced a wrath because there were more wraths than surges
cold vale
I can't test it, but I'm pretty sure that's how the change will work. Just wanted to make sure people didn't think the only change was turning a full moon into a starsurge
primal bane
might actually have to get dreambinder
does dreambinder work with starsurges from convoke?
chrome panther
it gets the damage buff, it doesn't proc the stacks.
wheat laurel
You should have niya anyway I feel like
primal bane
bc dreamweaver is shit
it was frustrating at start
but pod is genuinely not useful
cold vale
Dreambinder, not dreamweaver
wheat laurel
The slow is nice but mastery from niya and we will get a 20% slow dot from her in 2 weeks
primal bane
and big dmg
wheat laurel
Yep
primal bane
altough they should buff the kick option
even with legitimate 100% uptime 12s kick
its still just less dmg lol
golden island
About to craft a legendary for pvp. Fearful symetry is the best right?
austere tulip
Has anyone gotten the Fallen to Nightmare artifact skin after Legion?
vast vapor
killing healers in rootbeam+stun I think the dreamweaver slow is pretty valuable
austere tulip
I want this skin. What are the requirements for it?
thorny venture
Nothing makes me stop playing with a team the moment someone decides profanity and name calling are the way to get his team to do anything, lol
Peaced out fast
austere tulip
WoWhead says crest of devastation but that applies to legion? Not sure if it’s accurate on wowhead
heady vessel
it's honor lvl now, believe that is honor lvl 50 or something
austere tulip
50? Damn that’s a nice grind heh
austere tulip
I guess I can do it. I did the Insane title achievement before the nerf so I guess I can do this grind.
timid flower
what lego are ppl running for FC'ing RBG's?
gritty plume
So for balance are people going haste/vers?
wheat laurel
If your going haste you want around 18% for cloning out of roar iirc then mastery
tepid spoke
This is not necessarily true, right? Full moons took the place of a random balan...
fm wasnt a random spell
fm replaced surge
so surge should replace the nerfed fm now
thorny venture
it replaced any one spell as far as I know
edgy shale
how do u know that for sure?
tranquil canopy
@austere tulip the skins are from honor levels from pvp
edgy shale
ppl keep saying that and idk how u know that
they culd also change how convoke works w/ this patch
edgy shale
there isn't even a set amount of surges u get tho, there's just averages
thorny venture
I forget the exact math, 5% chance per spell to be a Ultimate rather than normal spell
tepid spoke
no
thorny venture
Fairly sure it can replace a non spec spell
thorny venture
Catha's asleep or I'd ask him
Asked, an orange told me it can replace any spell, not just a surge or a wrath.
Man, a toxic teammate really takes your motivation away for the night
crude minnow
Don't let em get to you. Not worth it.
Easier said than done tho
surreal loom
Did Feral Frenzy debuff stack at all? Probably not right?
I think FF being off convoke can only be a buff since you already use TF/frenzy before convoke anyways. You always had frenzy applied regardless
forest kite
I'm kryina spec with balance druid :I
scenic snow
yo anyone else play Zandalari Troll Boomer? wondering which of the Loa is the best to choose
either: Embrace of Bwonsamdi - Your damaging abilities have a chance to deal Shadow damage and heal you for 100% of the damage done.
or: Embrace of Pa'ku - Your abilities have a chance to grant you 4% critical strike for 12 seconds.
cold vale
@tepid spoke fullmoon can replace surge, wrath, any damage ability. it doesn't only replace starsurge
in other words, the pvp change is more impactful than just "now we'll get a starsurge instead of full moon, so it's just a ~5k dmg loss"
still not a huge deal, but just wanted to clear it up
forest kite
Is boomkin just complete trash in pvp while leveling? My damage hits like a wet noodle and I get fucking 3 shot by any class. Im 2k rated on my other 2 specs so I know how to pvp.
its really not
spec kinda feels like a meme idiot cousin of mage lol
then why does my damage hit like a wet noodle and I get 3 shot through all my defensives while in bear form? clearly some fucked up pvp scaling in lower level pvp
do big dam lol ok ill pretend i dont know to pvp
crystal remnant
You typing like this makes that quite clear.
forest kite
what is the burst rotation then? press celestial alignment then starsurge twice?
im level 41
burst rotation
is it really that basic
small storm
level 41 
forest kite
because CA and 2 or 3 starsurges tickles for like 205 hp
guardian aff, rogue jumps on me I press barkskin, frenzied regen, and renewal and rogue kills me in 4 globals
of course i dont renewal at full hp or regen
he trinketed them
im playing glad talents, they dont take disarm
crystal remnant
lmao
forest kite
This isnt in fucking arena dumb shit
jesus what a fucking toxic down talking asshole discord user
surreal loom
End of day, rogues have been and will probably almost always be kings of open world pvp. Just play without war mode on and reach max faster?
crystal remnant
This guy is delusional.
forest kite
no wonder this disc is 10x smaller than all the other class discords
crystal remnant
You're level 41 and complaining about balance against a rogue
you are mental dude
forest kite
im telling you ive done all these things and at low level pvp you still get 3 globaled through them on this class
Clearly this class is less favorably tuned or scaled in lower level pvp
2k cr on mage and ele shaman
both higher skillcap than fuckin boomy lmao
surreal loom
if you're NElf just meld and stealth outta there
are you using heirloom pvp trinket
forest kite
this kid obv never seen a fucking smurf in low level pvp
probably doesnt even know what a smurf is
instead just talks toxic shit in pvp disc
elder tiger
They’re called twinks
tiny oar
Idk why low level tuning is even a big deal to you like the game isnt balanced around being lvl 41 lol
chrome panther
lol calling this disc dead when shaman disc has 1post an hour on average
or paladin disc is just fotm mouthbreathers stuck at 1200 asking for tips on how to play ret
forest kite
how many is that? imagine bragging about playing this game enough to be high cr on 4+ classes lmao
must literally sit in a fucking chair your entire lifespan
chrome panther
golden island
Does ilv rule over right stats on neck and rings in pvp? like 207 neck with vers vs 213 neck without one.
chrome panther
stats > ilvl for rings/necks
golden island
Thanks guys
forest kite
only 2k on my alts, higher cr than you on my mains
chrome panther
forest kite
saying the phrase big dog... cringe af
indigo osprey
whats stat prior for boomie pvp? vers -> mas -> haste?
thanks!
trying to optimize what pieces to buy
for pve been mostly been going mas/vers
surreal loom
Do you guys use a cancelaura for Frenzied Regen vs Mindgames?
Mindgames does like 8k damage + 8k healing redirect?
I guess until health pools get higher we kinda do need one now I need to find a keybind oof
wheat laurel
at this point if i dont get a weapon from vault should I just buy a staff for 1850 next reset
im using a 203 without vers rn
dont know how much longer I should try and wait for a vault weapon
I have the conq offhand so I could get a 1hand i guess but no haste feels bad
im missing gloves/legs and weapon
I will have 1850 conq after this next reset
So if i dont get a weapon from this next vault i can buy staff or get gloves/legs
I have 226 gloves/legs tho but no vers on either
from pve
you think its worth just buying MH even tho no haste from staff
not yet im getting close
kk
yeah i was just worried if i get 1hand i will have haste problems soon
Id like to ideally hit around 18%
eventually
forest kite
RIP full moon in convokes
edgy shale
i think thats the most passionate I've ever seen sum1 get about pre-max level pvp
that shits annoying in all fairness lol
tiny oar
Just such a weird thing to give a single fuck about
edgy shale
bro u promised not to change ur pro pic cuz ill forget who everoyne is
now wat am i gonna do
tiny oar
Long as they got the same name its chill w/e
Ppl that change pic and name same time r sketchy fucks
surreal heron
gottem
stray sigil
never trust mexicans
clear pulsar
I changed it right after I said that @edgy shale
I guess it just didnt update
Like immediately
edgy shale
autumn bluff
Hello, I'm new to pvp coming from a pve player. I have a bunch of 220 and 213 should I replace them with 200 vers crit gear? (As a feral)
I tried to google about it but haven't found anything
lapis blade
Hey, for Guardian pvp/rbg, should I craft Legacy of the Sleeper legendary?
Its better than luffa, right
lime sparrow
edgy shale
Hello, I'm new to pvp coming from a pve player. I have a bunch of 220 and 213 sh...
220 > 200 ilvl gear no matter the stats
only exception might be jewerlry
NF is fine for pvp, but u might find urself more dependent on it than u want to be
compact crest
boomkin/ww/disc how do we counter spriest/ele
clear pulsar
Then somehow someway you find yourself in position to SLAY with it
autumn bluff
@edgy shale thanks I guess it's the same with 213 > 200 right?
edgy shale
mostly, but if a piece has like 90 vers and its 200 ilvl it could potentially be worth it, but prob not
rich crag
I just got back into feral and honestly would only use convoke as almost like an execute. No big deal but because it exists you can punish someone for mistakes or wasting kicks or whatever
edgy shale
ya, i just wish I had kyrian bites
fervent gull
whats a good strat for mines? every single team ive joined didnt had a clear one
ye
clear pulsar
Convoke's best moments as feral are when you can kill someone in the duration of skull bash on their main school
rich crag
I started on my low level feral a few days ago and was having a lot of fun and decided to polish off the 160 ilevel one and now he's 195 a day or so later 🙂 Convoke is like a bonus button haha
clear pulsar
I think you win the game guaranteed if you turn top the long way and pick up every lava cart
Yeah you can win if you take 1 offcart and every lava
But like you also win if you make 2 top carts go long way I think
Cuz it delays them enough
clear pulsar
I started on my low level feral a few days ago and was having a lot of fun and d...
Like bro if you aren't being trained like, lot of casters can't stop your convoke if you interrupt their main school of magic.
It's hilarious
Kill so many disc priests on a shadow mend kick
edgy shale
what otther casters is that easy? aff/demo i guess cuz they cant' even wall with shadow kicked. arcane mages i guess? lol
fervent gull
tyvm
edgy shale
maybe shaman
rich crag
My first convoke kill was this guy trinketing and i said lets just randomly cast a regrowth, so I do, he interrupts it, then for some reason he emote spams /laugh and bam convoke and he starts to run away and dies pretty fast. 170 or so feral vs a 205 or so warrior. Sea ya sir 🙂 (was just funny cuz I hadn't had fun with it yet so it was memorable)
on another note, which soulbind do you guys usually muck with for random bgs and world stuff? I guess the first one? The second does get two potency pretty fast. Still pretty newb at finding out what's great and what's not for feral anyway
edgy shale
niya for sure
tardy hare
Niya huge damage
kindred galleon
I’m gonna try kyrian, wish me luck!
tardy hare
Get wardened
edgy shale
lol i know ur a madman but why would u @ that guy
he's a maniac ur gonna set him off again
tardy hare
civic drum
Everyone seen the boomy convoke nerf? Can no longer cast full moon in pvp
safe heart
Oh shit paladin healing getting nerfed a bit too
Not sure if I care about the convoke nerf for feral
Probably not
tardy hare
Its not a convoke nerf tho
Feral frenzy dam kinda shit
More chance to fero bite
Pog
rigid linden
^
edgy shale
i wouldn't call FF dam shit.. it does more damage than an FB just over 6 seconds lol
weak hinge
Oh no now I can’t aoe kill people with convoke. Gotta rely on 19k surges. How am i going to climb now?
tardy hare
Yeah so its worthless
edgy shale
I'd rather have FB than FF, but I'd rather have FF than a shred
lime light
Ff had so little chance anyway
Legit almost no change to feral convoke
And boomkin cant randomly kill whole team
Sińce full moon is bugged
edgy shale
yeah, especially when sometimes u have an FF on the target anyway... so the FF would do literally nothing
lime light
And deals almost full dam to offtarget
kindred galleon
Anybody here a kyrian swolekin?
stray sigil
no more convoke nonesense in my channel
weak hinge
Ele sham is certainly harder then boomy
edgy shale
ele hard
weak hinge
Than*
edgy shale
we talked bout this before where its always gonna be harder to get trained than not get trained, and ele often gets trained while also having very few defensives
primal bane
or compared to feral?
edgy shale
ya
weak hinge
To me feral is super hard. I’m not used to combo points. But boomer is ez. So ele for me is harder than boom easier than feral.
edgy shale
and ur flame shocks getting dispelled 
primal bane
bruh
i already hate that
i dont like having responsability like that
i just found the idea of making a dark iron dwarf shaman very appealing for a second
warlock also appealing tho
huge dps stand still
edgy shale
its not fun to get trained on a lock
primal bane
and best part is that not dying is not even on me
edgy shale
u need to know how to fake cast and abuse schools
edgy shale
oh, true i guess locks do have more mobility nowadays especially w/ NF if they take that
primal bane
the first second you get to use any spells
everyoen is officially slowed by 50%
then u get one fear off
then 2 more dots
and u start bursting
edgy shale
and aff only has 1 school lol im just in destro mode
primal bane
i dont think i ever killed a lock
weak hinge
I think soul rot is not shadow so you technically have 2? Not sure about this one haha
edgy shale
what school is soul rot?
primal bane
like stormkeeper+15k surge at once
edgy shale
oh really?
edgy shale
im never kicking that again wtf
weak hinge
Probably nature
edgy shale
ive been baited by so many locks...
primal bane
ok but back to ele sham
i find stormkeeper burst
incredibly satisfying to see
is surviving on ele sham that hard?
grounding totem personally i can deal with that
maybe tremor too
weak hinge
You have to kite well.
primal bane
okok
but when u look at all the casters/dps this game got
on a scale of 1 to 10
where is shaman place
like a 7?
edgy shale
in terms of wat? overall? cuz overall they like a 9
primal bane
oh shit
edgy shale
they really good
primal bane
so who is 10?
edgy shale
fire mage
primal bane
difficulty yes
edgy shale
oh i thought u meant how good they are
thorny venture
Ww makes me wanna level mine
I'm terrible at using cc, I need a spec I can just pump and win, haha
clear pulsar
The issue with measuring specs difficulty is that the opinions are always mixed between whatever depth or complexity there is to it and how strong the spec is
thorny venture
Affliction would probably work for me
clear pulsar
Like a mix of how hard a spec is and how hard it is to win a game as that spec
They're different things
edgy shale
aff needs to fear
thorny venture
I had fun doing aff/fire in 2s haha
clear pulsar
Every spec is a 6 in difficulty
And then it shifts upwards or downwards depending on how strong the spec is
Fire is absurd rn so the perception is that it's easier to play
thorny venture
I personally can't play fire well
primal bane
but that will get fixed
everything mage does needs a huge set up
ring of frost this guy, root this , poly healer, slow them inside meteor
thorny venture
I am trash at fire/rogue
clear pulsar
ring of frost this guy, root this , poly healer, slow them inside meteor
Every good composition in the game will have setups where you get cross CC out
Like
It's not a mage thing
It's an arena thing
primal bane
ye but mage feels a bit harder to do
maybe i praise it too much
but ive seen 2v3 mages kiting double melee for like 5 minutes
clear pulsar
Idk like every spec has mechanics or concepts that give them depth and some shit that's very straight forward
severe viper
thorny venture
Just purged
primal bane
ok thats good
so only thing left for me to get out of the way
is personal resposanbility
i absolutely dread every second where i have to protect anyone but myself
clear pulsar
I don't wanna say boomie
But maybe boomie?
Ret!?
Like if you're micromanaging their cds
I think boomie should be it
loud wedge
Frost dk?
clear pulsar
Just call every rootbeam and incarn convoke
loud wedge
Grip - stun now
clear pulsar
Yeah warrior safe too
loud wedge
Yeah
clear pulsar
I was just thinking ret and boomie cuz it's easiest not to die with
edgy shale
frost is so fun
edgy shale
pull em in, boom stun, boom chain frost ability, disorient at some point
lime light
And everything u have
Iam comming for u kid
Tsg is fine
Imagine hpal ret war
Pmao
Lmao
How do u loosee
Ever
As ret war hpal
Hoooooow
lime light
Hoooooow do ever lose
loud wedge
In awc they played warr ret rsham, is that cause they are better with rsham?
Or it fits better with comp
tight ferry
Am I going to be playing any different with Convoke changes?
loud wedge
Cant remember which team
safe heart
just played a boomkin who topped dps and was only out of stealth for 9 seconds
loud wedge
What convoke change did i miss
safe heart
slight nerf to boomkin i guess , feral prob unchanged
convoke no longer casts full moons or feral frenzies on players
loud wedge
Aah yeah, noticed no more 25k critts
Stuck on 12-17k starsurges 
Oh its not in effect yet? Ive seen alot less full moon
loud wedge
Holy pal nerfs aswell.. Fuck
clear pulsar
It's only a smaller nerf to feral's Convoke because FF is bugged and does 30% less dmg than it should
brave panther
Hey bois.. I'm a pve moonkin playing some 2s and 3s.. I'm 1750 in 3s and 1.6k in 2s. But I feel like I only rely on my cavoke combo to do something usefull. What about dreambinder legendary? Makes moonkin a bit more consistent in dmg? Able to piss someone off or kill someone even without combo?
safe heart
i could be wrong but i honestly dont know why any boomkin wouldnt just pop out of steatlth at max range, and pop convoke and just get the insta kill anyway
brave panther
I'm doing that and 1 out of 3 arenas works at my cr
but when things don't go as planned I feel meh
clear pulsar
Next week awc will be blizo zeepeye thunder winning it all
tiny oar
Ele does blast 4 sure
surreal loom
@clear pulsar Its probably a feral convoke buff, frenzy bleed didnt stack and the initial 5 hits do less than a shred. Thatll be a bite or shred now
surreal loom
Does anyone know how the Triune Ward change affects it? Does that mean instead of 3 barriers at 65% each and its now 3 barriers at 50% each? Or is it now 1 barrier at 100% and 2 others at 50%
The way its worded makes me think it used to nerf each barrier to 65% but gave you 3; which means thats roughly a 25% nerf
but i saw some awful excel sheet napkin math on reddit which said the barrier you actually cast gets 100% and not nerfed
blissful jackal
How good is resto in 3s i played a bunch of 2s and am sitting around 1400-1500 but want to try out 3s with some friends
loud wedge
Resto is hard.. But doable
blissful jackal
Yeah it feels like it 😂
loud wedge
I gave up and rerolled hpal
safe heart
im kinda glad i bailed on resto druid for feral lol
i like resto druid for m+ but pvp felt bad
lime light
@clear pulsar hoooow do u looo9iioiiiooooseeee
tiny oar
HOW DO U LOSE MAN
plush halo
As a healer - against which spec do u have the most issues?
safe heart
im deff least happy to see a pally healer than the rest
hate sham/pally the most, the rest in no particular order
fathom oxide
where can i find good guide on resto pvp_
?
wowhead > icyveins?
this is irregular
say that in resto chat 😅
maybe for pvp that is that case, but i think generaly for pve icy has been better
torty writes icy
they dont know the guy who writes wowhead
and says he does alot of misses
nfc?
ok
they were not so good for classic content either
but i think best way to know is to ask people in the discord, they usuelly have best recommendations
so any affinity is good?
tiny oar
so any affinity is good?
Depends on bracket and your team and what you're fighting but ya in general they all have their uses
fathom oxide
yeye i trust u, im looking now
fathom oxide
Depends on bracket and your team and what you're fighting but ya in general they...
im playing 2's with a retri
i generaly prefer balance aff
tiny oar
Would play either feral or guardian for ret 2s depending on how comfortable you are with playing aggressively
fathom oxide
not so much, i never played arena before
started first time yesterday and we got to 1550
tiny oar
Well utilized ret has a lot of saves and off healing for you to be aggressive with but either way, for feral your go's would be rake/ maim offtarget hoj kill target, for guardian incap roar clone off, hoj kill.
late stirrup
Is night fae boomie still strong in arenas, does this affect NF much or convoke is still capable of erasing people
fathom oxide
hoj?
stable sluice
will still be just as good
median kraken
does /cast moonkin form /cast moonfire work? or do I need the 2 gcds after exiting stealth
bitter harness
2 gcds
edgy shale
im playing a lot of boomy in RBGs and im always surprised by how much star surge does
its like why does an isntacast low setup ability do so much
bitter harness
fathom oxide
ofc we are both noobs on this, but how we win is generaly that we play for 20 min, untill i have convoke and he has his shit, and we chainstun and convoke + wings blabla
edgy shale
dont really get how ppl even open their mouths about convoke when SS itself is just dumb
tiny oar
i found that the balance convoke does most dmg tho?
More burst prolly ya but if you want to be offensive you'll get way more value out of maim every 20s for your setups while still having feral convoke for dmg
Assuming ur partner plays short hoj talent you should have a setup every like 30ish seconds?
tiny oar
They could also just play rep and get full rep healer > hoj/maim kill > triple clones heals
P sure windows has sum recording software default now but you can also record with OBS
fathom oxide
aight, i was more thinking like u can see what talents i used and who won etc 😄
like a log
what ''rep''
in this situation btw?
edgy shale
paly ability repentance
fathom oxide
ok. but im completely inexperenced as cat, so i think its better for me if i choose the other aff
edgy shale
U could have ur shit recorded w/ nvidia shadowplay if u have an nvidia card
edgy shale
i mean u could log ur games but idk wat all that would do
late stirrup
How is boomie dmg outside cds does it have decent pressure
fathom oxide
so i can see what talents he is using
tiny oar
ok. but im completely inexperenced as cat, so i think its better for me if i cho...
Learning feral affinity is a really important part of rdruid 2s when you're playing with a class that allows you to utilize it well
fathom oxide
also another question, i have very little knowledge of other classes and their speccs, how much is this going to hold me back?
😦
i know cc's
sinse im playing against them
but things that are not in my face, i wont know they have
if u understand what i mean
ok so i just have to play
i dont need to make all other classes to 60 and learn them
edgy shale
def not, altho playing a class will help u better understand how to play aginst it
tiny oar
<@237412116024393728> how
Had to play guardian aff rdruid warrior in 2s yesterday lol
Every single game is ww hpal actually the most damp shit every game is 10mins long to win
lime light
✅ spamming insnats
✅ cant die
✅ broken damgur
✅ no cd on hoj
✅ no brain
i mean every pala spec is no brain
i do agree with u homie
tiny oar
✅ spamming insnats
✅ cant die
✅ broken damgur
✅ no cd on hoj
✅ no brain
Queued against an hpal wearing the ancient guardian prot legendary 
fathom oxide
so swiftmend leggo is the best_
lime light
i can recommend NFS underground 2 soudtrack to jungle q's
tiny oar
so swiftmend leggo is the best_
For rdruid arena healing yea
fathom oxide
i can recommend NFS underground 2 soudtrack to jungle q's
was good tip
bitter harness
i can recommend nfsu2 soundtrack for everything
rancid lynx
Was feral frenzy in convoke that strong it had to be removed?
edgy shale
its the general consensus that this is more of a buff since no FF means an actual burst ability is used instead ie shred/FB
analog bay
It's kinda non-issue for balance too. All it did was get rid of rng first tick moon. End up with another starsurge that hits almost as hard anyway
rancid lynx
Oh nice then
clear pulsar
its the general consensus that this is more of a buff since no FF means an actua...
Ff does more dmg than shred even if you just count the initial cp build hits
edgy shale
i was kind assuming zerk shred, buti guers theres plenty of times ur not erking during convoke
clear pulsar
And whenever I get the power that makes the rare spell happen more often in torghast, I still get the same amount of surges and bites. So I wanna say they replace shreds and wraths, this a nerf but nothing actually significant.
edgy shale
sum1 in the feral channel was saying the powerful spell has a chance of replacing any spell
clear pulsar
Yeah it's whatever
edgy shale
idk for sure who is right or they could very wel change how it works
clear pulsar
Altho it is silly they address both specs the same way
Even tho boomie convoke is ridonk
lost siren
Is it even worth speccing into boomie to do RBGs if I don't have NF? Seems like everyone wants convoke. I'm kyrian
fathom oxide
any good content creator for resto arena 2s?
mossy light
Can you help with this question? I'm just a casual PvPer.
So, Is it worth to use a much lower item level gear with versa then a high item level without versa? I have two 200IL versa gear and 213IL non versa gear for the same spot. (Legs and Head) My current versa is 18.38% with the non versa 213IL gears.
lost siren
Kyrian is most reliable and gives you more goes
NF works but not as reliable and need a lot more to set it up
Used more to force cds or bait interrupts
or to get isolated kills
feral dawn
what about necro ?
edgy shale
venthyr...you psychopath
lost siren
isnt that what people play
edgy shale
ppl tend to play necro i believe
lost siren
yeah okay I mixed them up
havent played either of them
seen a few play with door, but yeah most play necro
my bad
edgy shale
i think u just like sire denthrius too much
clear pulsar
Venthyr is a joke of a covenant for druid
silver bone
:]
clear pulsar
The only people playing venthyr are m+ers that NEED the covenant for their main group
silver bone
and yeah :( i wanted to go venthyr until i saw what it does for them and just took my monk there instead
clear pulsar
For buffs ofc
tough osprey
Venthyr for resto???
silver bone
XD they got it mixed up, dw
clear pulsar
what about necro ?
Necro feral is not very impactful but it does something
It's not good tho
tiny oar
Venthyr for resto???
feral dawn
so night fae is better ?
tough osprey
@tiny oar should be necro for arenas and NF for rbgs right? Please tell me I’m not crazy lol
feral dawn
so necro for arenas?
tough osprey
TRUUU
edgy shale
feral dawn
and im like waiting and looking on internet to find somethings that updated
but i cant find anything
edgy shale
feral in rbg is alrady pretty pepega
tulip falcon
Well ye
I'm playing with a diff team atm that actually let's me play it and doesnt force me to tank
It's good if you're playing objectives
Gl in team fight with nf
edgy shale
yea we're speedy stealthers, can fuck up most classes who are sitting bases, can set up stuns in fights, but it kinda just feels like you'd rather have a rogue or a boomy instead
tulip falcon
In team fight I pretty much just do what a rogue does
Just play for shutting shit down and controlling
lost siren
there is just not room for a feral in a good team
analog bay
Yeah I don't really pvp but have been failing my way up a bit as balance and convoke has only really been useful for stuff like AB when I can delete a solo guarder before they can then around.
lost siren
what yo ucan do, another class can do better