pvp

[dreamy lintel]

But it is rng in the end.

[vague bough]

Yeah

[dreamy lintel]

I personally just use boat cause its best in most content.

So I can craft offspec shit.

[vague bough]

I don't think I can even get boat this week though

It only drops in skoldus hall?

[dreamy lintel]

Yeah.

[vague bough]

Dang it 😦

But how would boat affect starsurge?

Starsurge is astral, not arcane or nature

Oh nvm it's nature and arcane

derp

[blissful belfry]

You can now get all the torghast leggos from twisting corridor

if you get the good rng

[bitter harness]

you can just keep resetting it

[blissful belfry]

TC is a combination of 3 wings

[bitter harness]

you get different start wings every time

[vague bough]

Oh I haven't unlocked it yet

[bitter harness]

i kept resetting for fracture chamber because it's free phantasma if you take marrow scooper

[blissful belfry]

lol

i ran with a warrior, he buys all the vendor shared commodities and i spend for my own shit

[bitter harness]

I solo'd all layers of TC

[blissful belfry]

warriors have infinite phantasma with their victory rush bullshit

[primal bane]

what makes vendors dissapear

[bitter harness]

in like two sessions

[blissful belfry]

Dont kill vendor with the red orb, they wont come back

[bitter harness]

you can on floor 15 or 18

they wont come back

[primal bane]

kill?

[vague bough]

How come sometimes convoke doesn't hit a specific target at all? I root beamed someone and pressed convoke. It literally didn't do anything

I channeled nothing

[bitter harness]

well floor 15 because 18 wont matter

yea with ravenous anima cell

[blissful belfry]

well, killing on floor 18 is useless, because vendor killed drop phantasma, so you wont be able to spend it.

[bitter harness]

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/item=170540/ravenous-anima-cell#comments

[median jasper]

If I wanna push to 1,8k rating, would you recommend feral or boomkin and 2s or 3s?

[blissful belfry]

Floor 15 you can

[queen copper]

dont root them it doesnt hit roots

[primal bane]

@vague bough it wont hit people in interrutapble CC

[bitter harness]

yea

[primal bane]

how u kill them i dont get it

[vague bough]

It won't hit peoplpe in beams?

[bitter harness]

boomkin and RBG

[primal bane]

i just see them dissapear

[queen copper]

anima orb that you can buy from him

[blissful belfry]

RBG is free rating for anyone who does it

[queen copper]

costs 250. the guy then gives you 400 from his orb

[bitter harness]

i just linked it

[primal bane]

oh

[queen copper]

roots

[median jasper]

is RBG really that easy? need a good group i assume

[vague bough]

Oh

[primal bane]

LMAO

[vague bough]

Derp

[primal bane]

had no idea

u canuse it on him

so its just my teammates

[vague bough]

So don't root someone you plan on convoking?

[primal bane]

yes

[queen copper]

right

[wanton parcel]

2's with boomie/ret can get you there pretty easily

[primal bane]

you instead root someone who has no business getting hitby convoke

[vague bough]

I never knew this 😦

LOL

[primal bane]

so you single target 25k dps

[blissful belfry]

The RBG elo is fucked. Anyone (not even required to have half a brain) can get 1800

[vague bough]

That's crazy

[bitter harness]

yes

i got mine on day 2 i think

[queen holly]

this stuff always makes me laugh

[bitter harness]

with 0 xp

[vague bough]

Yeah, we don't even target call and are pretty much 1800 LOL

[blissful belfry]

its ''faster'' in 2s or 3s because you win games faster

Unless you are really really bad, then RBG is your only salvation

or payin for a boost

[lime light]

But u almost dont lose any rating when u lose in rbg

[wanton parcel]

it's all relative and depends on enemy mmr

[primal bane]

i climbed 350 mmr today by simply playing with people who know each other

as long as you got pvp connections you rank up easily

if you dont you sit in pug purgatory

[blissful belfry]

True, you dont lose rating in rbg when you lose. But wins take longer

I realized how broken rbg was when my friend who struggles to get 1400 in 2s and 3s told me he had 2400 mmr in rbg

i was like, YOU?

[crude minnow]

At like 2200 mmr in rbgs, I feel like the average skill is like 1700-1800 in 3s equivalent

[lime light]

Rbg is pve guilds bracket

[crude minnow]

I did some rbgs with my awful awful guildies on my alt and trust me... you can actually land at 1100-1200 mmr/cr. There are some baaaaaaad teams.

[blissful belfry]

what strat were yall usin dayum?! ''Lets all afk in a random spot and wait for the ennemy team to concede out of confusion!'' ?

[crude minnow]

Me give instructions and people not do them.

[autumn pine]

In arena is it better to link with a partner (as Kyrian) or to just get the 15% damage buff for yourself?

if playing with less coordinated players

[crude minnow]

on you in every content

[blissful belfry]

nooo no no no. On you in pvp yes

in the other content its on friend

[tidal linden]

I get on a roll in rbg’s and then the pug splits up, join another one and it’s a domino effect of shitty pugs and rating loss lol

[crude minnow]

Isnt it 20% damage boost of whoever is doing the LOWEST damage? So unless your cds line up VERY well, itll do less damage

[autumn pine]

How do we deal with windwalker monks?

They are so scary

I feel like I can never get away or hard cast vs them

Also what pvp talents should we take for RBG's? I assume 1) Moonkin Aura 2) Celestial Guardian 3) Crescent Burn for the damage? -Boomkin question

[primal bane]

is it just me or feral does no dmg outside of tiger's fury windows

im p sure FB doubles in dmg

[clear pulsar]

I think you need to sit down and read the spells bro

[primal bane]

what an useful reply

be sure to inform me when u have other useful things to tell me

[clear pulsar]

I'd default to Dying Stars if your team doesn't have an aff lock, and maybe I'd run Thorns before Crescent Burn too

Maybe Deep Roots so root beam on healers sit a bit longer thru dots/cleave

The big ones are moonkin aura and celestial guardian really, must haves

[autumn pine]

thx @clear pulsar

[acoustic nebula]

Deep roots still sucks

I almost always run Moonkin/Celestial, then third is either thorns or dying stars,

[clear pulsar]

Yeah it's not really impactful is it

Like

250% extra damage is like

Instead of breaking on the 2nd dot tick it breaks on the 5th

And there are 5 dots anyway

[acoustic nebula]

Or actually the interrupt resist one is good

Thorns, dying stars, or the interrupt resist when you go into eclipse

As 3rd

[abstract falcon]

any tips on not getting instantly fucked right after fleshcraft finishes

[blissful belfry]

Dress appropriately

[acoustic nebula]

Or faerie swarm too, as pvp talent

Finish the soulbind tree

Then you will have extra cc immune

[abstract falcon]

I mean right now before r30

[acoustic nebula]

And healing

Yeah

Right now? No idea

[clear pulsar]

Fleshcraft is super unimpactful, rdru survivability has nothing to do with it

You have to avoid damage and peel with the insane cc your spec has

And pre-bear form when you're getting blown up

With preemptive hots also

Druid is a very proactive healer

Run well honed instincts

[blissful belfry]

always gotta have a hot on every target so you can swfitmend in emergency. But im a shit resto, das all i can give u

[abstract falcon]

played it before to 2k but never seen situations like this where you get instagibbed

v melee cleaves at least

[blissful belfry]

i got 2.1k as resto in 2s at the begginin of the tier, but now i lost it and cant be arsed to try and get it back. I take such a fuckin beatin

i prefer to boomy

[clear pulsar]

Yeah you can't facetank melee cleaves brother

Abuse vortex, roots, and mad mobility

It's rough out there

[abstract falcon]

ya cant even try faking you just die after half a cast

[blissful belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/running-deer-speed-animal-forest-gif-17674537

[abstract falcon]

like take tsg for example how do you deal with the extra grips, normally it would be cycle wild charge/vortex to get out but now they can grip you repeatedly

[stark wolf]

guys any good addons to see the actual buffs enemy have on them, not cd's but while they are active, im using bigdebuff's but it shows 1

flyPlateBuffs seems to do what i want, but it seems not updated for over 2 years

[clear pulsar]

Flyplatebuffs works just fine

You can add any buff you want specifically to track

So being outdated is fine

Cuz it works well

Tho some people report lua errors, there is a supposedly fixed version in Spacerat's discord

I use Plater

Regardless of the addon you use for nameplate buff tracking, you'll find yourself wanting/having to whitelist and blacklist specific buffs

[stark wolf]

ye like i love nameplatecooldowns ... but its cooldowns

[thick minnow]

Wish blizzard would release their logic for healers. Used to be casted heals > hots > instant casts

now it's instant casts >= casted > hots

makes so many healers that follow the old logic really bad =\

[queen holly]

as resto, what pvp talents do you go for in 2s vs double caster

[weak hinge]

2s vs double caster?

depends what casters

[acoustic nebula]

I run Convoke, and the, and spirits

[weak hinge]

id suggest triple lifebloom, motw and high winds

[burnt narwhal]

What do you guys suggest for Feral pvp legendary?

[acoustic nebula]

Oath

[weak hinge]

symmetry

[acoustic nebula]

100% oath for feral

[burnt narwhal]

even better than cat eye or draught?

[acoustic nebula]

Ask moonfire -necrolord

[weak hinge]

what the hell?

[acoustic nebula]

I can't @ him

[weak hinge]

what are you talking about

top 3 ferals all use symmetry

[clear pulsar]

I removed my nickname

Oath is bis

INSANE offhealing

[weak hinge]

.. 😄

[fleet panther]

Which one is oath?

[stray sigil]

w.e face says

do the opposite

and ur good

[safe heart]

so concerning feral vs paladins
im finding that they are either brain dead or they easily deadstop my go's
what are the best ways to out play either hpal or rets

[coral sandal]

anyone have any opinions on kyrian vs fae for feral? i know a lot of ppl are kyrian on ladder but foxsy played convoke on TR and was saying the more he plays fae hte more he prefers it over kyrian

[safe heart]

i honestly like night fae alot @coral sandal , im far from a pro feral but convoke , assuming you set it up for success, gives you 2 solid goes in a short window

[stray sigil]

he also said that he forgot he was night fae

[safe heart]

it gives you the ability to catch most classes off guard and 1 shot them

[stray sigil]

and that he didnt bother switching cuz his mates didnt ask him to

and also said that kyrian would have been better

[coral sandal]

did he? maybe i didnt hear that bc at the end of his stream he was talking about how good it was and then he tweeted about it

[stray sigil]

he did say that

pretty sure it was cuz face asked why he was stil playhing nf

@clear pulsar

[clear pulsar]

I don't think he forgot just

He said it was fun and his teammates didn't oppose him playing it

So he just did

He said he felt like it would have been better but he asked 'can i play night fae' and no one said no

So he just didn't swap

Yeah exactly what Fuji said

But in better words

Cuz I have the best words

It was pretty decent I mean, it forces shit yeah!?

[stray sigil]

eat my holes

bro i woke up to some nonesense from formy

saying hes playing sr? ??

@clear pulsar

[clear pulsar]

LOL

OKAY

I SEE YOU FORMY

Ledge player

[stray sigil]

but how

why

hes not even kyrian

not even the biggest of bites

[clear pulsar]

Idk bro he played fucking worgen

Clearly that shit doesnt matter

If you're a competent playetr

[stray sigil]

sucks to suck uh face

LMAO

idiot

curio bt sr

big juice thoughts ? @clear pulsar

[clear pulsar]

Idk bro I played some 3s yesterday and we did decent

Climbing ok

And if you add my latency to my cr I'm basically glad already

[clear pulsar]

I think it can be ok, I mean Symmetry isn't really a big deal. If you think about it, Curio can be nice cuz you end up pooling way more energy while you sit CC or reset

[weak hinge]

killing with 3 FBs in a row sounds too good to pass

[clear pulsar]

It's pretty meme and 20% of the time your 2nd bite won't refund from Zerk

Idk

I play natural orders will like 80% of games

[stray sigil]

u can only get 3 fbs every 3mins bro lol

why are people so horny about that

[clear pulsar]

It's something ye!? Very little, but something

[stray sigil]

im just saying cuz all they talk about is that

3min cd 20s window

lol

[clear pulsar]

Yeah

It's cuz people have a hard on for whatever guide or bis lists or whatever

So when it's the default recommended leggo

People get a hard on for it too

[vague bough]

So convoke has the potential to cast entangling roots, then not work on that target?

[vast vapor]

nope

[clear pulsar]

It never casts entangling roots no

[stuck talon]

just make shit up?

[vague bough]

LOL idk I think it happened. Maybe I just miss clicked mass entanglement though

[stuck talon]

put the bottle down homie lol

[vague bough]

Oh yeah, that's true!

Well I was in the maw and this guy was riding one of those thingies

and I convoked, and he had roots on him somehow...

And then the channel was mostly wasted

and he rode away 😦

[stuck talon]

sounds like someone trolled you lol

[vast vapor]

hmm

maybe oath as second legendary, seems pretty versatile

good for resto, giga offheal feral and completely useless for balance but I have boat

[rigid linden]

@stray sigil yes

[jolly dove]

What is the actual pvp leg power use as balance drood?

[stray sigil]

@rigid linden with sym or what

[blissful belfry]

Useless for balance?!?! You can double frenzy regen every min! BRO-KEN

🙂

[clear pulsar]

No it's a joke

It's bad

If you want a second FR, Natural Orders Will is much better

If you want more damage as resto, it's ok, but then Draught is good and gives you more healing occasionally

[stray sigil]

aoth is bis

for sure

[foggy nimbus]

what night fay soulbinds for 3v3 balance pvp ?

ty was looking at it and was not sure if it was up to date with our current renown 🙂

[placid mirage]

Anyone else use a convoke spell tracker

[bitter harness]

@vestal citrus do you ever stream/record RBGs?

I'd like that

It feels like it's hard to find good footage

RBG pugs have been super frustrating lately

[rigid linden]

@stray sigil yes

[stray sigil]

@rigid linden ??? i cant tell if ur memeing or not bro

send help

[rigid linden]

not meming

im probs queing 3s today

u can watch on cmd or spacerats stream

savage roar is the way

cant reveal secrets

nah jk just dont like streaming

[clear pulsar]

I want streams to watch ye?

Feral

[rigid linden]

if i ever stream itll just be no voice music

[clear pulsar]

Yeah ofc

There's a thingi

Voicemeeterbanana

Something like that

Very nice

For removing anything from obs

Separating audi otracks

[rigid linden]

yeah heard something like that

[supple haven]

As a rdruid just starting to dabble with RBGs, what leggo should I be looking for? Looks like the top players are split between HotW, mother tree, swiftmend, and just respeccing Balance... Any insight is appreciated.

Yeah I checked out his armory. Running mother tree. He doesn't stream, does he?

Fair enough. What role does a RDruid end up playing in RBGs? Small defensive fights or larger group stuff? Any recs for info to learn more?

[stray sigil]

@rigid linden wouldnt curio be better with roar thoiuygh?

[rigid linden]

Symm gives u roar and rip in opener easily

rake tf savage roar onuse rip FF bite

[supple haven]

@vestal citrus Right on, thanks man. I've just had a few leads ask that I sit with a tank defending a flag that gets no action. Felt useless

[stray sigil]

ya but like the point of syms to get big openers with zerk isnt it

rake tf sr would be what 15s ?

[vivid canyon]

So hmm, which discord do you guys use to find rated BG groups

Im trying to find a group for the weekly quests

[vast vapor]

you press group finder in-game

[rigid linden]

@stray sigil zerking in opener is bad

i never do it

[stray sigil]

u do play fmp kinda different ig

but i play with surv

he dont do dmhg

i gottas end it

[rigid linden]

fmpal now

disc priest is lmao

[inland thorn]

New balance druid here, what's the best pvp weapons with conquest points? Also I'm Night Fae covenant, not sure if that matters.

[slow socket]

2H

[vast vapor]

3H

[copper lintel]

Stat prio for nf balance?

[queen copper]

Vers haste

@rigid linden did you 1 shit my spriest last night in 3s on a mage o.0

Or not you

Double mage hpal

35k pyro lol

[surreal loom]

I really wanna play FMPal but literally every LFG mage is used to being carried by rogue CC

"I dont get to cast!" as he randomly combusts in the opener with no cross cc or pressure set up yet

FLPal seems way easier, double rot damage, offhealing for lock, stun someone in the open with maim so he can freecast rapture

[calm hollow]

double on use with bell on like

a 9 min fight

what is the cd rotation

i was thinking full cds on pull

then bell+ convoke

then CA and EO solo

idk

i'm confused

[clear pulsar]

Don't play bell

[calm hollow]

why

in raid?

[clear pulsar]

This is pvp channel

[calm hollow]

oh fuck

mb

[clear pulsar]

All good bro

[surreal loom]

He as confused as us

[raw cargo]

For 2v2, should I use my Skulkers Wing or a set of trinkets?

Like how much of a difference does the %40 Verse effectiveness buff make from the set bonus? VS the burst of Skulkers Wing?

[clear pulsar]

It's simple math yeah?

If you have 20% vers

Trinket makes it 28%

That's how much of a difference it makes

[flint sable]

anyone knows a good rbg guide? for resto/balance

[plain jay]

Also the damage of skulkers wing is like, 50% of what it is in pve

coupled with the fact everyones versed up to the teeth

[devout frost]

skulkers wing is trash

[edgy hornet]

can some1 help me explain the thought process of how I can win more games as a boomkin

I get it mass entangle, beam, convoke

but sometimes it doesnt kill the person, what do I do then

[eager sleet]

Hello guys

can drood dispell mind game ?

[safe heart]

dont think so

[tiny oar]

Unless ur a healer or sp nope

Ww / dh too I guess

[forest kite]

How good is jungle rn?

[green valve]

Lol so

Was healing some 2s on my fresh 157 ilv

Was stressful lol

At 1100 mmr

[jaunty obsidian]

is the flat cc duration reduction trinket good for guardian in rbg?

[crude minnow]

need to be able to trinket out of a rogue smoke bomb for instance

[tiny oar]

Ya everyones 210 ilvl even at 1400 gonna be a bad time lol @green valve

[tiny oar]

Good u can play fmp/pal too also a good comp

[green valve]

Yea my warrior partners like 170 ilv too

We went 500 tho just had to hit the kids keyboard turning lmfao

[serene hull]

can someone carry me to 1800? I'm 1760 hpal 😦

in 2s thatis

[paper umbra]

How do you stop Spear of Bastion or get out of it?

[paper umbra]

Wait until they cant CC/interrupt you then convoke someone dead.

cuz if you get kicked, then you're basically useless.

[serene hull]

why cant i click on peoples names in gladius

[crude minnow]

if you rely on convoke youre gonna have a bad time

[green valve]

Boats probably better for convoke right? Timeworn for kyrian?

[crude minnow]

for arena go dreambinder for either. for rbgs you can go either for convoke. BOAT is better if you can get good convokes off and will have you do more damage overall, but dreambinder can be super nice for single target burst for rbg

[green valve]

I actually want to make timeworn first tbh but it looked like everyone was running boat

[bright tundra]

NF korayn vs necro for resto?

[green valve]

So thats reassuring

Did they fix koryan? The movement speed wasnt proccing on my lock so went back to niya

[plain jewel]

hey is it bad if i didnt put vers on my rank 2 eye and did crit and mastery or should i just recraft it from rank 1 with vers and wait teh 2 weeks

to upgrade it

[safe heart]

i did vers mastery

[tiny rose]

what lego is being recommended for rdruid in pvp?

[safe heart]

verdent i believe

swiftmend one

[edgy shale]

the person asked ages ago but jungle owns

[edgy shale]

this^

[chrome panther]

verdant

[chrome panther]

timeworn feels better, if you get cced during start of eclipe, boat legit does nothing. With FOE you can get off 5 surges in a row ez every eclipse with timeworn

[thick minnow]

jesus farming honor/rating on alts

is so hard

1300 rating

fighting 213 players

[green valve]

Yea it is lol

[soft cliff]

uh I can't even get to 1300 with my main let alone an alt

but I'm pretty sure I just suck at pvp

[green valve]

Kinda regret going convoke a bit tbh

Even random bots cc/cs it even in bgs when i come out of prowl 30 yds away lol

[thick minnow]

lol final verdict crit for 15k

sadge

[chrome kestrel]

its funny because most of the people ive seen calling out convoke for being OP have the most counters to it

[vast vapor]

better not try to cheese it like that then @green valve

[chrome kestrel]

like rogues and mages

[vast vapor]

yeah convoke op when mages solo consistently ppl in 1sec every game

[chrome kestrel]

yeah im sick of hearing it from fire mages

[vast vapor]

just played a 3s session and atleast three games some1 got deleted under 1sec from 90-100% to 0% by solo mage

theres not much time to react to that because they dont have to even cast anything

ashen hallow hpals are pretty fine too, doing 15k crit every game with hammer

you didnt move from map sized area in time? too bad

ok for real what legendary for nf resto in 2s with hunter, oath or draught or something else?

[flint granite]

For those who moonkin pvp, how do you open from prowl for big dam with convoke

[chrome panther]

roar clone healer or roar rmp opener

opening from cat to convoke is meme shit that stops working at 1600

[forest kite]

Open with cc and if you get trinket root beam into swiftly one shot

Swifty*

[indigo osprey]

what legendary are you restos running in arena/rbg?

[chrome panther]

verdant infusion

play boomie in rbg.

[cosmic raptor]

im just getting into feral pvp and making my first legendry

[limber plover]

anyone can tell me what class I should look for to PVP(I'm resto druid)

[cosmic raptor]

which one should i go for both pvp and pve

[indigo osprey]

i would think circle of life would be good for resto too in arena?

[ionic temple]

Just go symmetry it’s bis pvp for sure

Circle is mediocre for both but I’d prefer symmetry

I crafted circle for pve and tbh id prefer apex

[round mural]

What’s the best spec to climb rating with atm? Mainly using off tool

Lfg

I really wanna get in to feral

But it seems like a steep learning curve

[safe heart]

boomkin or resto
boomkin can cheese it pretty high by just pressing convoke
but youre gunna get groups easily as a healer ofc

[thick minnow]

man wish they didnt prune druid so much. feels like half a class

[vast vapor]

feels pretty hard to cheese convoke after 2,1 without glad players

how is druid pruned wtf

[flint granite]

What do you guys run with in 2’s and 3’s that compliment boomy?

[vast vapor]

I assume verdant infusion doesnt need to have hot on player either to use swiftmend?

[round mural]

you guys wouldn't recommend feral?

[clear pulsar]

It does need a hot

[kindred galleon]

Chest or ring for dreambinder?

[forest kite]

usually you don't even bother to stealth except vs stealth class you just wanna push / start the fight at the right spot / spread dot to get 100 ap as soon as possible . Vs stealth ( for exemple RMP ) you pretty go always out of prowl with a roar to peel follow by clone.

like roar rogue/mage on opening > clone mage

wtf is pruning

xD

it's a bit bad about Rdrood , but feral/boomy is nice

[flint granite]

Do you CA straight up or dot out of an eclipse to start

[surreal loom]

If you arent in combat with something you dont cast on them with convoke

[vast vapor]

I think so too, like what was there even more ever? maybe mop like symbiosis and ursoc and faerie fire but what else?

we have gained quite a bit of other abilities

[thorny venture]

How do people have computers than have 50-70 second loading screens in 2021

My computer is crap and I still load in like 10 seconds

on an HDD

[exotic wolf]

you just answered your own question

no SSD

[vast vapor]

theres been lag from blizzard's side on loading screens recently tho

[exotic wolf]

[thorny venture]

nah, my wow is on a regular harddrive still

still nearly instant load screens

[steady tinsel]

legs or boots

for boat

?

[thorny venture]

boots if you can mythic raid usually

[steady tinsel]

for pvp

no raiding

[thorny venture]

legs is higher stat budget then

[kindred galleon]

Chest or ring for dreambinder?

[exotic wolf]

I made chest

you upgrade it to 235

so higher mainstat etc

[magic phoenix]

cant decide kyrian or nf boomie 😦

[crude minnow]

what do you wanna do

[exotic wolf]

if u play pve too and/or multispec go nf
if you solely play boomy pvp go kyrian

if you like rng oneshots go nf

[crude minnow]

if you only rbg go nf

[exotic wolf]

if you like consistent controlled play go kyrian

rbg go nf

and last but not least play what's the most fun for you

[steady tinsel]

i see a big mix of boots and legs

for boat

guess ill just do legs cus saves me conq

[exotic wolf]

and should give you more stats if fully upgraded

235 > 226

[steady tinsel]

yea

[last basin]

whats a good comp on 2s for boomie?

[exotic wolf]

hpala

[zenith swan]

boomie and sub rogue is a tier according to skill capped

for double dps

[last basin]

somehow i struggle when i play with a holy pala

[zenith swan]

Being asked to switch to guardian for flag carrying maps, any suggestions on legendary choice? If i had to pick on my own Ursoc's Fury Remembered seems decent

[last basin]

trying to figure out what im doing wrong

[clear pulsar]

Sleeper one

UFR is absolute trash lol

I mean it makes no sense in pvp bro

You aren't thrashing 5 targets every 5 seconds like in pve

[zenith swan]

yeah i guess hard to thrash when running flag

makes sense

CC immunity sounds awesome

[clear pulsar]

Yeah we can't really tell you without knowing what it is that you are doing at all

[candid moth]

I've played that comp a lot and its really hard to win against decent warriors since they just tank everything away. 2s is infested with warriors currently so, yikes

[wanton parcel]

My fave healer for 2's is Rdruid. Favorite double dps is w/ Ret or Spriest.

[zenith swan]

is sleeper still good if i have to do M+ tanking with the guildies?

[last basin]

im playing nf cause i mainly play pve

and i fucking hate convoke

[clear pulsar]

You'd have to ask in #guardian

I think UFR is bis in m+

[last basin]

it seems like i really need to set it up hard, cause outside of it is really hard to kill with 3 stargsurges

[zenith swan]

makes sense thanks for your suggestion i really like it

[wanton parcel]

convoke is great. just gotta set it up or have the right opening for it. it's too good in 2's

[zenith swan]

yeah during aura mastery and bop you can almost always get it off

[last basin]

everyone holds his shit for convoke

mobility, cc

[wanton parcel]

that's fine too. convoke is not the main win condition for boomie anyway

[last basin]

im using Boat lego and solstice

thats what glyph suggested

[clear pulsar]

Yeah there's a context to it tho yeah!?

[last basin]

i mean he suggested that if i go boat solstice is the go to talent

[clear pulsar]

Right

[last basin]

but its really hard to kill with 3 starsurges

[wanton parcel]

I personally run dreambinder w/ incarn. I like it more even tho I am NF as well

[last basin]

yeah popping more surges has kill potential

[clear pulsar]

Idk I'd never really play BOAT in arena

[wanton parcel]

And I never run solstice. Like ever. Fury is 100x better for how I play

[last basin]

i mean shooting stars actually hit for 2.5k crits for me

so its not bad for sure

[wanton parcel]

4 surges while fury is ramping up and a 5th onw shortly after

[tepid spoke]

You dont need solstice for shs procs

Anyways

[last basin]

i know

but they do more damage

proc more

[wanton parcel]

Thing is, during incarn you'll only get solstive benefit for 6 out of 30 seconds. Meanwhile Fury is on demand 1.5 surges. If you stagger a bit with some starfire's in betwen then you're looking at 6-7 surges within 12 or so seconds. just a lot more pressure

[last basin]

also my healer keeps LoSing me when he is getting the D and i really dont know what to do to help him? should i play on top of him? or should i ask him to kite melees on open field so i can help?

i mostly try to root beam healer and ask him to hoj the kill target

[wanton parcel]

I play w/ an rdruid in 2's that runs feral affin so our go's are pretty simple w/ rootbeam into his stuns into cyclone. he also has strong mobility so los'ing usually isnt an issue. But definitely kite melee in the open, there's no getting away from melee as any other healer than druid anyway. it's pointless to "kite"

if they're caught they need to cc and move to another pillar or rely on your peals

[last basin]

also he is playing on the other healer all the time

and im getting confused 😄

[tepid spoke]

Your healer losing you is trolling you

[last basin]

i personally thought that he should play behind me, and go aggresive only when he can hoj the kill target

but thats just my thought

i m clueless anyway

just trying to think of ways to get better

[tepid spoke]

He should play behind/not losing you

His best defensive is you peeling the shit out of the melee

It makes him no good running around pillars

Melees will just be on his ass all the time

[wanton parcel]

yea there's this urge to run that a lot of ppl have even if it's pointless to do so. all depends on who you're fighting

[last basin]

also truth be told most of the time melees are on my ass

i only run when they use cds tho

or when i try to make em LoS their healer

fucking warriors tho

are a pain in the ass

[tepid spoke]

Warriors are helpess against you

[last basin]

also getting killed 2 gcds from paladins doesnt feel nice

[wanton parcel]

save disarm/thorns for their offensive cd's and stay there and cast. objective #1 is to outdamage them like you're having a pve dps race

[tepid spoke]

Is your gear that shit

[last basin]

currently im 204

i think

with pvp gear

[tepid spoke]

Oh then yea

But seriously warriors is the best melee to fight against imo

[last basin]

well u can root em a lot

[tepid spoke]

You have so much peel against them

[last basin]

i just hate it when i manage to fake em and then i need to bait the spell reflect

avoid the fear

wait for the stun

meh

[wanton parcel]

with remotely similar gear, you will outdamage a warrior 10 out of 10 times and cause his healer to oom. just gotta stand there and do damage

and if you bait an early stun/fear and save your cd's for aura mastery, you can convoke in his face

[last basin]

also lets start from the basics when i try to kill outside convoke/incarn i pull AP get eclipse pop trinket throw 3 surges

[wanton parcel]

you need to do that along with rootbeaming the healer to bait out trinkets/cd's. rootbeam is on a shorter cd than most defensives so you can use it within the first 30 seconds of a fight after building some ap

soft go to start, then 2nd go w/ cd's

and that's not to say that this si written in stone or anything, you gotta with the flow of the fight, but following that strat alone is overwhelming to a lot of comps you'll face

[last basin]

yeah ofc not every fight is the same

i just feel that i cant kill outside convoke

and its kinda sad

so i m thinking that i probably fuck up soth

[wanton parcel]

is your healer helping you do whatever burst they can?

hpal has some pretty strong burst as well

[last basin]

kinda

not reliably though

[wanton parcel]

yea you guys need to coordinate it. hpal burst is like 3-4k'ish non wings and double that with wings

[last basin]

yeah for now im trying to figure out what i can do better, i cant blame the Boat lego or the healer for losing

[wanton parcel]

record your games. it helps immensely

when you can look at it from a different perspective

[last basin]

also its the first time i main a ranged character

so getting melees in my ass while trying to cast

is not a very fun experience

but ill figure it out

[candid moth]

you'll get used to it

alltough I feel like we arent THE primary target we used to be anymore

[wanton parcel]

good thing about balance is that we're essentially immune to kicks as far as doing damage goes and especially in 2's. not every caster can say that

[candid moth]

we are hella tanky with the conduit and vers

[clear pulsar]

All the good casters rn can deal with kicks as well as boomie

[last basin]

yes indeed

thank you for your time guys

and the info

i appreciate that

[clear pulsar]

The recording your games idea is very good everyone should do it

At least sometimes

[lime light]

@clear pulsar hello Pedro F2F

[clear pulsar]

Watching your own replays helps improve a ton

[last basin]

do u do that with an addon?

[clear pulsar]

No OBS

Or idk the nvidia and AMD software prob have stuff too

[clear pulsar]

[wanton parcel]

window+G to open up the recording panel. no 3rd party software needed

[last basin]

thank you kind sir

[clear pulsar]

That's CAP

Windows game bar? Fuck that noise

[wanton parcel]

I mean.. it works perfectly fine for me

open panel. hit record. open panel, stop record. watch video. dunno what the issue is

[leaden dagger]

Go for Shadowplay if you run a Nvidia card

[chrome swan]

hey guys, i am new to druiid pvp, is there a guide to check ? like what legendary to make etc ?

[stark wolf]

the consensus is towards verdant infusion

[lime light]

@chrome swan there are 4 druid specs

if u play tank, dont even try talking

if u are playing any other spec

go ahead and tell us which, so we can help u

[opaque dove]

What legendary for feral s2 s3 and some rbg?

[lime light]

symmetry

can be apex, if u doing pve

[opaque dove]

Nah pve im balance. Ty Will craft R2 today

What slot btw?

[lime light]

go for head

[opaque dove]

Ty

[lime light]

versa mast

[chrome swan]

@lime light ah sorry forgot to mention, it's balance , i need to know what legendary , what piece of gear to craft , conduit , mmmm thats pretty much it

[lime light]

check the pins

there is some good info about boomkin in pvp

writed by Glyph

this

[chrome swan]

thx

[stark wolf]

guys maybe you know, i switched from skada to details, and you can add like different X stuff to show in the menus, dmg taken, interupts all that kind of stuff

but once added can you free that spot or move them ?

i wanted to have healing in one column dmg in other and "other in third"

[lime light]

u mean bookmarks like that?

or diff windowns

[spare sphinx]

You can go into window control and make a new window and then change it’s setting

[stark wolf]

yes you see the bookmarks you have

can i move them

or remove them

i would like to sort em better

mine are kinda random (like yours:D )

[lime light]

honestly i dont know

cant find any option for it

[stark wolf]

ok found, /details options ---> display ----> manage bookmarks

you can swap em or delete em

[twilit siren]

do you have to do direct hp damage to stop caps? There was a rogue who had absorbs whose channel didn't get by jade lightning. Is it from rdruid conduit?

[lime light]

dont think so jade lighting ticks insta

[twilit siren]

my mf/sf also got absorbed just wondering

[clear pulsar]

Dot ticks dont spin

[twilit siren]

they were direct casts

[clear pulsar]

[safe heart]

Anyone have tips for winning feral / disc vs war / shm or hpal?

[surreal loom]

gawdamn wodferal selling boosts at 2:30 in the morn

breh

[safe heart]

like i feel like literally no matter what play we make hpal and shm always just stop it

[clear pulsar]

Sit healer spam cc warrior

[edgy shale]

i have that issue against paly, but shaman can actually die. they never go oom tho

but they run out of CDs

i think? idk they just die

[safe heart]

like shamans its always a long game but i guess you can catch them off guard sometimes

but paladins

its like literally no matter what i do, i cannot put pressure or kill them

they always have an immunity ready

[edgy shale]

i agree. paly is always kind of a "soft counter" to feral and hpal is straight busted now too

i kill them sometimes obviously, but its the hardest

[surreal loom]

Nah I checked him it was fuckin zev boosting someone on a mega low alt

late night queueing is awful for it

[safe heart]

yeah i mean, it feels like any hpal comp is just not winnable by me as feral/disc
like im not that good, but after the game i just honestly cant think of what i can do different.
Please correct me and id love to make a learning moment of this

but essentially its like the paladin consistantly has the ability to top their dps partner like 10-100. This kinda compounds when you consider how easy it is for paladins to break their CC or just completely stop your go. BoP and bubble is automatic waste of you cd and now youre stuck spinning wheels till they come back

[bitter harness]

anyone else just queue into random BGs just to deal with frustration?

just to convoke on low ilvl players

[safe heart]

shamans feel really similar but slightly more winnable than paladin

war / paladin and war/shm are the toughest

maybe the issue is just that im failing to put pressure outside of my cd's?

[little temple]

What is the best soulbind for boomer PvP? Im still playing with pod, is that wrong?

[long pumice]

Depends on your comp. If playing with someone who can protect the pod, it's good. Otherwise i would stay with Nia - Incarn+ 30 sec 400 mastery bonus is a very large and dangerous burst window

[clear pulsar]

We literally have no idea what it is that you are doing

[little temple]

Playing boomer/ww/disc or ret mainly

[lime light]

still maw walker or u did corridor @clear pulsar

[bitter harness]

good one

[clear pulsar]

I did corridor but i aint fucken using that ugly mouny

Mount

[safe heart]

I get that face2face, my issue is that essentially I'm losing to paladin comps because we're just going oom before we can kill them.
Hpal/war and resto sham/ war are beating us on the mana game

Most other comps we handle fine

I'm trying to find an opening that will let me kill the pal or war

When you go against hpal / war, what is your game plan usually ?

[lime light]

kill them

[stiff nacelle]

you have to cycle through his cds faster than your disc goes oom, lining up tigers fury/mindgames/frenzies nicely helps a lot

[safe heart]

So timing like a mini burst with mind games

That's something we could try for sure

And you think the play is generally always train the paladin ? Cc/ignore war ?

[coral sandal]

boomy/survival/disc any good rn?

[slim robin]

Circle of Life and Death or Draught of Deep Focus for resto 2v2?

[twin thicket]

hey folks, anyone got a macro for rake if i am stealthed and mighty bash otherwise?

got it, nvm

[vital parcel]

How bad is nf for resto?

[devout frost]

verdant

draught if ur safe enough to dps

[devout frost]

its the worst choice for resto

only gives u small heal increase when allies low on hp

[little temple]

Am i fucking up hard if im playing Boat leggo in PvP?

[sick latch]

No

[kindred galleon]

No but drambinder seems easier

Since boat Windows can get fucked

Ca+convoke+boat when none can interrupt or immune is BIS

[little temple]

Yeah, im starting to like boat, im 2k cr playing boomer/ww/disc. Im not getting convokes off that often tbh

[sick latch]

What happened to the convoke changes btw ? I just tried it on npcs and the cyclone changes seemed to have gone through but it still avoided hitting rooted targets

[little temple]

Only from stealth vs discs, most fun thing ever

[devout frost]

they reverted the root changes

cause it fucked the spell hard in pve

[sick latch]

nice

[tropic kiln]

Just got my alt to 60 and into a full set of rank 1 pvp gear. Is everyone still playing the weapon vault lotto/should I be buying CQ pieces to get my ilvl up? Or do I buy weapon and then cheap pieces? Or 3/4 big pieces?

It's a bit later in the season - curious on some input.

[languid knot]

Whens the arena championship?

[devout frost]

5 hours

[languid knot]

Where can I watch?

[devout frost]

https://www.youtube.com/Warcraft

[languid knot]

Thank you

[weak hinge]

Thanks m8

[candid moth]

I am actually really excited to watch that one

[bitter harness]

youtube stream still heh

oof

[candid moth]

it aint that bad

its nice to wind back whenever you want

just the chat experience isnt the same

[tulip falcon]

i hid the chat all the time anyway

[bitter harness]

lol

not false

[candid moth]

true

[lost siren]

Does anything change once we reach the bottom level conduit for the different covenants? Kyrian is best for ferals but the final talent row is underwhelming compared to others

[devout frost]

not really for dps

Mikanikos is good if you want more help defensively

NF resto switches soulbind but NF resto is meme

[lost siren]

Aight, considering just going for Kyrian since night fae is such a hit or miss in arenas... Do you know or have experienced covenant switching? I heard it doesn't take long to get back to 23

[devout frost]

few hours of grinding

faster if your good at the game

[candid moth]

the renown part is fast but the campaign can take a while

[devout frost]

its only a few quests

takes like 30 min

u wouldnt switch to mikanikos for another 3 weeks tho

[topaz spruce]

Anyone run boomy/rogue/healer past 2200 here? Having hard time vs double melee and caster cleaves

[candid moth]

I do on 2.1

with sub rogue and holypally

[topaz spruce]

do you guys open with incarn convoke?

or play it slow

[devout frost]

no cause then i would be NF

[candid moth]

depends on what we face; we usually open slow since people are using their trinket anyway with sap -> rootbeam -> blind

and then kill with incarn in the next go, but depends

[fervent temple]

What legendary should I make for boomer PvP?

[candid moth]

Dreambinder is what most r1s go for

boat can be decent too, especially on low rating and rbg with convoke

most r1s pick kyrian tough

[storm nebula]

Any1 knows of any glad boomy that streams 2s or 3s

[fervent temple]

So should I go boat or dreambinder with night fae?

Or doesn't matter much?

[gaunt beacon]

What would you prioritize if you were me regarding my gear? I currently have ~1300 conquest to spend, thinking about saving for the pvp staff (1800), or would you recommend something different? https://worldofwarcraft.com/de-de/character/eu/blackhand/ophidias

[misty horizon]

Is cat Thrash worth using as Feral?

[stark wolf]

weapons are usually very sought for in vault ... because vault gives u random item, it doesnt care if that item cost 500 or 2k

Considering you dont have any rating "honor weapon is 197" while conquest one is 200.

i would say conquest one is not worth it for you AT ALL. 3 ilvls are not worth 2k conquest

go for honor one until you reach 1600 1800 or untill you find it in vault

[chrome panther]

i played vault lotto for 6 weeks and got burned, just buy wep first.

200 wep when every other piece is 213-226 sucks megadong

[tropic kiln]

ty ty

[round jetty]

Hey guys what are the best PvP Talents for Balance in RBG ?

[gaunt beacon]

Okay thanks, but what would you buy then for conquest instead of weapon?

[bitter harness]

chest/legs/helm

idk how accurate this is now but it looks accurate

from https://wow.allakhazam.com/wiki/Itemization_Formulas_(WoW)

trinkets (especially medallion etc) are a bit different of course

because the effect doesnt scale with item level

[chrome panther]

1322322

[bitter harness]

how did you know my password

[vast vapor]

you might want treants too

[dire pulsar]

Any guide for balance rated Bgs? I kinda die to fast even with guardian affinity and kiting.

[bitter harness]

we're popular targets

👀

[teal hinge]

2 heal

[chrome panther]

spec celestial guardian, sit bear when they swap to you. if you die, your healers are bad

[dire pulsar]

Could be gear related too,i am at 16% versa with ilvl 200. And yeah i play with thorns and celestial guardian.

[stark wolf]

16% versa is kinda low im 190 and 23%

[dire pulsar]

Yeah farming honor and conquest for pvp gear, missing still 5 pvp pieces.

[feral edge]

Who is the highest ranking boom I should be looking at during awc?

[chrome panther]

215 and 27% 🤷 fill out those pvp pieces asap

try and play farther back, you have the longest range in the game as a caster, their melee have to overextend like crazy to get to you

try and mentally keep track of big CDs so you know when its safer to push up for clones and shit

[teal hinge]

27% is nice

[tender mulch]

For RBG which NF Soulbound is better Niya or Dreamweaver?

[haughty compass]

Even if convoke is kicked the mastery from Niya is insane

[crude parcel]

^

[chrome panther]

Its a choice between the third dude and Niya. dreamweaver is poop.

[dire pulsar]

I saw many druids use dreamweaver and slow conduit from roots

[lime light]

Disgusting slow

[chrome panther]

rbg druids or arena druids

big diff.

slow is disgusting for rootbeams on healers

[bitter harness]

they asked RBG right

so then dreamweaver is not poop?

[hoary lintel]

Druid+DK. Which specc for 2s would you recommend?

[patent dove]

Rdru/unholy

[tender mulch]

@chrome panther It's for RBGs ^^

[vast vapor]

oath or verdant infusion for NF rdruid 2s?

[raw cargo]

I’m newer to rated PvP, I’m playing Feral in 2s with my friend and we have a really hard time against monks. Any tips you guys could throw my way?

[formal girder]

wait for sof, WoO and xuen to run out. Go into bear for and wall for fof burst, dont stack on top of your healer. prep thorns

use bear form and wall where possible to avoid burst etc

[dire pulsar]

U can also jump out with wild charge travel form if they fof without stunt

[raw cargo]

Thanks! I will try that. 😊

[forest kite]

Does cloak leech/speed work in pvp?

Or should I just grab +30

[bitter harness]

it works yes

but this for example does not

[forest kite]

Roger

Speed vs Leech

😄

Which one you think ends up netting more value for a caster

[bitter harness]

hmm idk I just have leech because I run it in raid for resto

[supple path]

leech aint doing shit in this meta

give it a few months

[forest kite]

I guess avoidance might work best

Bladestorm meteor

Fists

[supple path]

yeah id use that or speed personally

[forest kite]

Think speed was 3% speed inc

How much reduction is avoidance?

[white oracle]

is there an easy way to target friendly pod to heal?

[stone nest]

I usually rock verdant but if I want to do dam I’ll go oath. The speed boost with feral aff with oath and some conduits make you really zoom around. But verdant is the safe bet.

[sick latch]

Just played vs lock/ele as nf boomie / ele and it just seemed hopeless to ever go through their low cd anti caster defensives, any tips ? (no voice and approx 1k9 mmr)

[vast vapor]

yeah im not so sure how relevant our dmg is outside of convoke with something like SP or hunter in 2s, prolly just being able to heal better is good

[stone nest]

Yes and no. Depends on your comp. I like warriors for instance but they are dampening kings. So if I have someone making a go on me without trinket I’ll try to finish the game early.

I’ll go oath if it’s double dps and I know I’m the kill target so I can frenzy twice and still have mass entangle

[vast vapor]

yeah

[forest kite]

I just silenced a nightfea druid and killed him I think karyina is better lol

[haughty compass]

A ton of baddies playing convoke Druid atm

[forest kite]

Convoke is nice but I just silence them and they lose e.e

[arctic wasp]

@raw cargo did anyone help you out with monk tips?

Tips against monks*

[sick wren]

Which are the best conduits for RBG as a Balance druid, Night Fae?

[clever bluff]

wth is the name of spell that makes druid immune during convoke

prot spell

[raw cargo]

@arctic wasp yes, I think I’m just not timing my Bear form correctly. Probably have been doing it too late.

[tardy hare]

Guardian of ancient kings or something i think

[forest kite]

it's because NF is very bad against these comp , you would be insanely better as kyrian . NF is only good ( as ele/boomy/pal ) vs cac cleave where u can always setup a full convoke

[bitter harness]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=228049/guardian-of-the-forgotten-queen

if you stun it, the immune stops afaik

[forest kite]

you can also cyclone it

[arctic wasp]

@raw cargo the big part is running when he has his cds up and watching the karma. Other than that it’s all feel and timings. But our speed is our advantage and ya monk has roll but no one can keep up w us

[forest kite]

to counter this spell Mass dispell > war dispell > Clone

[sonic dagger]

what legendary and conduits would you use for Balance druid RBG?

[forest kite]

Boat + Niya if NF

Dreambinder + Pelagos if Kyrian

@sick wren for me its karyina unless you have some pally friends go night fea

[sick wren]

what? what do you mean?

[sick wren]

I am Night Fae, I didn't ask for covenant, I asked for conduits for pvp.

[forest kite]

Ohhhh lol

[forest kite]

like i said , niya because you can usually full convoke from 0 to 100 AP , Then get a second burst after convoke dumping 3 surge with that huge mastery buff .

[sick wren]

yes, I have picked Niya, but that's a SOULBIND, I am talking about the conduits, the ones for the tree.

[forest kite]

oh xD

The one who buff Convoke

The one who buff the speed after shifting out of travel/cat form or the one for buff stampeding roar

and as defensive , the one with a free Frenzy proc in all form under 40% hp

[sick wren]

hmm, ok gonna have to check, ty

[bitter harness]

whats wrong with this setup? for RBG

[forest kite]

nothing wrong except , pod is trash

and mastery buff Way way way better than a second offensive conduits

[bitter harness]

can you queue for a rated battleground while you have deserter debuff from a random BG?

[haughty compass]

Woo jungle!

[clear pulsar]

Relzah is insane bro

And cassidy facile too ofc

[lime light]

@clear pulsar what build is cassidy playing

And what spec Hunter is

[calm hollow]

for feral - would you rather run 50 mast and 16 vers or 32 mast 24 vers?

[lime light]

Mm ?

[novel sky]

mm hunter

[lime light]

24 versa

[haughty compass]

These faster paced games so much more fun to watch than damp fests. Even if it comes down to big crits, idc

[clear pulsar]

Regular everything bro @lime light

Kyrian guardianaff FF

Symmetry lego

LOTP wound strength

Ilovelucy about to play but probably just goes warrior if they even put him in

Prob just gonna be ele fire

[novel sky]

he did go war

[vast vapor]

how am I supposed to peel as balance in 3s when mage presses combustion and teammate dies in 1sec

should I just always every game save beam for every combustion or what

[forest kite]

I love cc night fea druids lol

[thick minnow]

man palying holy pally and going to druid feels awful

sadge

[bitter harness]

go play balance druid

:")

its more fun than playing resto in pvp

[thick minnow]

im just still amazed. like holy shock heals for more than rejuve and can be cast twice in the amount of time it takes for rejuve to heal

feel like if you dont have a spec that does insta cast 8k+ healing/damage, then it's useless in this meta

[chrome panther]

the real kicker is healing surge costing less than rejuv

🙂

[clear pulsar]

So does purge

[chrome panther]

Its a fantastic world rdruid lives in rn

[glad wadi]

hello, when people say "note versa" on the groupfinder, do they mean before or after the trinket set bonus?

[thick minnow]

Before

[glad wadi]

gotcha, thank you Daays

[blissful belfry]

I usually root beam the combust yeah. Otherwise you can charge him into incap roar and try to clone

[tacit flax]

is guardian aff better than resto?

[blissful belfry]

in arena as a boomy im always guardian

100% of the time im being trained. Frenzy regen is really nice, dmg reduc is fine too

[tacit flax]

i see

[blissful belfry]

if somehow they dont train you, you have infinite peel with clones swaps on dps

[dusty needle]

are we just going to let ret pallies be this broken or what

[stuck talon]

kite harder, but yeah shit is bonkers

[vast vapor]

do you play renewal or wild charge mostly then?

[blissful belfry]

when theres a caster i go wild charge. If its double melee i go renewal

I could formulate otherwise. If i need the mobility, i'll take wild charge. If i dont and know i'll be trained, renewal.

[vast vapor]

aight

[blissful belfry]

since i raid more than i pvp, im really used to wc and i feel empty without it

but against double melee, renewal saves you

[dire pulsar]

They added to much crap over years with gap closers and CC

[last jackal]

How are resto druid in pvp right now?

[chrome panther]

bad.

[last jackal]

thought so, not seen them mentioned... 😐

[weak hinge]

They are good in 2s

[fervent imp]

as a nf rdrood in 2V did u know the best soulbind to use ? I find Korayn strong be he has less conduit than other

[sleek jasper]

how do i write the root+beam macro? im to stupid to get it right 😦

[stuck talon]

#showtooltip
/cast root
/cast beam

[forest kite]

How does one get to 1400 rank e.e

[stuck talon]

play the game

[last jackal]

Not sure i should stick with boomkin, my mainspec or try out ferael for some arenas, my least played class aswell this :p

[weak hinge]

@last jackal play whatever u like. U won’t know until you tried.

[dire pulsar]

U can get easy to 1.8k in rated bg, just need to play enough games.

They are more active in Sl than in bfa

[solemn sierra]

Looking for some resto druid pvp 2s content to digest. New to pvp just finished climb to 1600 in 2s. Any streamers or YouTube creators you recommend?

[soft cliff]

lol I'd love to get to 1400....

cant get out of 1200

LOl I can't even iwn a skirmish

[clear pulsar]

There are a lot of streams in the pins my dude. Many of them are very occasional streamers, and some are multiclasser, but flopdru minpojke and nogarddru are streaming resto everyday.

Also mmarkers is a glad rdru that plays a lot of memey stuff in 2s, hilarious guy, watch him all the time

[solemn sierra]

Awesome. Thank you

[clear pulsar]

Bro I feel like coming from pve hurts people so bad where like, they're so used to just banging the head against the boss and eventually learning the fight by proxy or just outgearing it. And then they play arena and kinda expect the same!?

[median kraken]

so is circle better than boat? I havent tried it myself but im getting mixed answers

[clear pulsar]

It's just like if you're trying to actually accomplish some goal in mythic prog bro, you have to do your prep work, understand what the enemy brings, understand where you want to use each of your cooldowns, offensive, defensive, utility, etc.

[edgy shale]

in all fairness that works to an extent lol. just keep gearing until u can pve them. prob can pve to 1800 at least

[clear pulsar]

Circle is very unimpactful. BOAT is gimmicky, but definitely more impactful than Circle.

[soft cliff]

it snot gear

I just suck at pvp apparently

[clear pulsar]

That's not a thing

[teal hinge]

Boat is a pain to get back into eclipse sometimes

[edgy shale]

wats ur ilvl

[soft cliff]

195-200

[edgy shale]

u would smash if u were 220

so it is about ilvl in a way

[clear pulsar]

You're taking the stance of 'I just can't'

[soft cliff]

I don't htink so

[clear pulsar]

Instead of actively doing things that will improve your play

[soft cliff]

I've watched tons of videos

[clear pulsar]

Record your own games

[soft cliff]

trying to employ some of the tactics

[hardy cargo]

I'm not the best at pvp and even i know what you should do, its not copying others its not pure advice. Its doing it

[clear pulsar]

Ask pointed questions

[hardy cargo]

Its learning via experience

[clear pulsar]

Like you have to understand what you want to accomplish

Not just 'know' it

[soft cliff]

like instead of stealth > convoke trying to incap roar > clone > force trinket > root beam > then convoke

etc

picked up gladius and omnibar

[clear pulsar]

Like Kestrel is saying, you can try to copy an opener or whatever, that doesn't mean shit if you don't understand what you're trying to accomplish with that opener and what you gotta do in case enemy does one thing or another.

[hardy cargo]

Well I got nuked, how did that happen? Whats the best way to kite this from the practice I have

[edgy shale]

u dont just download an addon then become good. play with that addon for 100 hours to the fact its completely integrated into ur play etc

[clear pulsar]

Ok 100 hours bro lmao

Nah

You do have to actually look at what the addon is telling you and have an idea of what that means tho

[soft cliff]

it'd be different if I felt like I was progressing.

[edgy shale]

im just saying, u don't download something and just absorb its power. u need to get used to it, adjust ur muscle memory. after time u will gain a lot from it

[hardy cargo]

90% of pvp is playing so much until you know how others play

And recognizing cooldowns of other classes

[clear pulsar]

It's not just blind queueing smashing your keys and 'learning' tho

You need to actually look at what happened not just 'learn' by muscle memory

[hardy cargo]

I know that

I said before. Its like asking yourself, how'd i get nuked

Now how do I stop that

[edgy shale]

i mean its both, without muscle memory u can have all the knowledge in the world and no way to apply it

[clear pulsar]

The game doesn't stop once you use Convoke or get past the opening setup tho.

[soft cliff]

the nuking happens so damn fast every time

[vast vapor]

oath on balance and feral affinity to just zoooooom

[clear pulsar]

FACTS

Bro I swear it's actually insane to like

Go barkskin leggo so you still have FRs

[bitter harness]

when you look at the other boomy's damage in an RBG

[clear pulsar]

But play feral aff for Rake stuns and Maims

[bitter harness]

no wonder we werent winning the team fights

[clear pulsar]