i imagine his ilvl isnt 190 anymore?
#pvp
timid grail
limber panther
good for you homie
tardy hare
I aimbot, headshots only
stray sigil
hes like 196 now or some shit
misty frigate
timid grail
my point is that "just get to 190 ilvl" doesn't work week by week - everyone at the top are getting stronger
misty frigate
machtig irl
limber panther
spinny boi
timid grail
if you're not first, you're last
limber panther
people can still enjoy pvp over other content and not be a top 100 player
timid grail
yeah, obviously getting better mechanically is the best way to improve as a player
gear is like half this game tho
limber panther
its not about "just getting good" THERE ARE PROS IN VIDEO GAMES idk how you cant see that
yeah if i was fucking pikaboo i wouldnt need gear
there are really good players
thats the game
but even if youre good its going to take a lot of practice to be THAT good
timid grail
99% of games being determined by skill and not gear? hmmmmm
stray sigil
the point is if ur not playing at the lvl of the 1%
gear is not the reason why you are losing
and should stop blaming it on gear
timid grail
just to be clear - i wasn't the one to complain about pve gear
timid grail
but to say that gear doesn't matter is straight up lying lol
timid grail
if you want a game about 100% mechanics in pvp, go play GW2
stray sigil
gear doesnt matter in low mmr lol
u have ppl with 50k hp
losing
bunch of mythic raiders hardstuck 1400
spring prawn
190 and dying in opener or 210 and not dying in opener big difference no?
limber panther
i dont get how you can be so blind
timid grail
and if i'm a ilvl 170 healer, no mechanics are gonna save me from two dps double fisting my ass
stray sigil
if u die in opener its cuz ur not reacting properly lol
not cuz ur gear is 10 ilvl lower
limber panther
ww monk and sub rogue opening on a 190 ilvl vs a fully geared mythic raider is going to be different
misty frigate
i have more pvp gear than gear from any other type of content
lol
550 conquest is too low 
timid grail
okay, let me summarize my point: skill/mechanics are MORE important than gear, but it's not a 99%/1% split
i'd say closer to 70/30? 80/20 maybe?
stray sigil
im not saying it doesnt matter lol
spring prawn
Probably reacting bad yeah. But for average player it adds a safety net
limber panther
gear isnt holding you back but thats not the argument is it?
timid grail
when you say "99% of games are lost by being out-skilled, not out-geared", you're essentially saying gear doesnt matter
stray sigil
when did i say thaty lol
timid grail
sorry, @vestal citrus said taht
spring prawn
Better gear allows average players to do better as they can survive shit they shouldn't have
stray sigil
clear pulsar
when you say "99% of games are lost by being out-skilled, not out-geared", you'r...
If you're 180 ilvl then more games than 1% are being lost due to gear. If you're 205 then I think about 1% is fair.
limber panther
its not all about gear obviously you need skill in order to win arenas
clear pulsar
I even took a shower already and yall still capping on this gear issue
Stop whining about gear
Pls
limber panther
people are using themselves as the example
clear pulsar
Just play good
limber panther
exactly
stray sigil
@clear pulsar u dont shower stop lying
limber panther
it doesnt matter and means nothing for what we're arguing about
stray sigil
greasy fucker
limber panther
oooo
stray sigil
tulip falcon
well this escalated
stray sigil
LMAO
limber panther
its not like this is gonna change anything but if yall are fine with waiting 3 weeks for a weapon if you cant get lucky enough to get it in your box then ig it doesnt matter
550 is too low
end of story
clear pulsar
<@!102094910101913600> u dont shower stop lying
I shower twice a week
limber panther
i can feel the money being drained from my wallet
stray sigil
5 weeks in now i think and no wep
clear pulsar
Used to be everyday in 2019 but social distancing and all
stray sigil
@clear pulsar 
limber panther
lmao its nothing its the point im trying to make
clear pulsar
550 is too low
Yall capping hard
limber panther
them forcing us to wait for conquest cap to reset is stupid
clear pulsar
🧢
limber panther
you need to up the cap depending on rating
thats a good system
better players get faster gear
timid grail
i see this pattern in most games nowadays - spreading content/rewards out over a period of time to combat people burning themselves out and/or getting everything in the first few weeks
limber panther
im not saying waiting is a bad thing im saying it needs to be how it used to be
that system wasnt broken
why fix it
timid grail
well, i'm not so sure i agree with the rich get richer
spring prawn
So, do u have some git gud resources?
stray sigil
tulip falcon
i think big cap + better ilvl would be a bit much though in power diff if they kept the same gear system
tardy hare
In old pvp system you didn't get any gear fast either???
tulip falcon
when there was a big cap it was all the same conq gear so
tulip falcon
i think the cap only scaled up to a certain rating anyway
swear it was like 2.2 or something
timid grail
as someone who came in late to the expansion, i like that i was able to catch up to everyone else in conquest
tulip falcon
ye
late sluice
If I don’t have a gaming mouse on balance should I just give up pvping I can’t press like half my buttons
tulip falcon
i only experienced having an actual elite weapon once in s12
limber panther
me either maynechester
tulip falcon
fun times
limber panther
i can hit everything fine
tulip falcon
when elite weps were an actual thing
timid grail
having a gaming mouse means you don't need to make any weird shift/ctrl/alt modifier macros
tulip falcon
people didn't even start using shit like nagas until cata i swear
late sluice
I can’t ctrl 1-5 fast enough
stray sigil
nooga bis for swifty oneshots
limber panther
tulip falcon
well
i have 2 side buttons
one is ctrl+shift and one is ctrl+alt
effectively acting as new modifiers
tulip falcon
yea you can use binds for those separately
limber panther
now thats useful asf
tardy hare
having a gaming mouse means you don't need to make any weird shift/ctrl/alt modi...
i have fuckton of weird modifiers with gaming mouse anyway
spring prawn
Ctr+alt+del best bind
late sluice
What rating are you?
timid grail
i have fuckton of weird modifiers with gaming mouse anyway
yeah, they're still necessary.. but getting a gaming mouse means i can get rid of my weird-ass alt+q keybind
stray sigil
elvui
timid grail
takes my fingers off of wasd
limber panther
im not even 60 on my boomy
stray sigil
tulip falcon
its a convenience thing more than a necessity
timid grail
i have elvui - what are you proposing i do with it?
stray sigil
uninstall
timid grail
o
limber panther
i use elvui lol
timid grail
elvui? or the game?
tulip falcon
i literally only use shift modifiers + the 2 modifiers on my mouse
tardy hare
both
stray sigil
both
tulip falcon
since i find ctrl/alt awkward af
timid grail
👍
stray sigil
@tardy hare u too
tardy hare
alt for selfcast
stray sigil
dirty fuk
timid grail
my ui is fire, you can lick my taint
tardy hare
<@!140164607175032832> u too
stray sigil
i know ur a elvui user
tardy hare
: (
limber panther
sameee elvui fire asf
tulip falcon
elvui makes me sick
stray sigil
u guys are fucking wildin out
tulip falcon
just make a custom ui
limber panther
i did
tulip falcon
and be big brain
limber panther
with elvui
stray sigil
vast vapor
whats the trick to be GIGA fast to for example blacksmith in arathi basin
tulip falcon
no just get framework addons that let you do whatever with them
vast vapor
some ppl are there just so fast
tardy hare
run hard
timid grail
@vast vapor be a night fae
limber panther
why would i do that when my ui fire already
timid grail
CLEAN, BROTHER!! CLEAN!!!!
stray sigil
🤢
spring prawn
No XarUI?
limber panther
EAT MY BOOTY HOLE
surreal heron
No one will be eating butts
stray sigil
dog
timid grail
i started with this and kept modifying to make my own version of it: https://wago.io/rJg8EynwBz
tell me that HoT buff display on party/raid frames isn't FIRE
timid grail
limber panther
i jus made mine from scratch
surreal heron
limber panther
i yoink it
timid grail
guild wars 2 ui was kinda dope back in the day too
tulip falcon
i played gw2 but never liked the ui
thats not actually my screenshot btw
dont worry
this dude has his prios straight
crude minnow
I was running 3s on my arms warrior with enhance+rdruid. My initial thought is rdruid doesn't match the comp very well (we are just 3 friends), but I'm curious how to play an rdruid comp better. Rdruid seems like a high skill floor and high skill cap for everyone on the team. Thoughts?
timid grail
I was running 3s on my arms warrior with enhance+rdruid. My initial thought is r...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pozcPBaaIGQ this guy plays turbo cleave as well and explains why he chooses certain talents/conduits when he runs turbo cleave
forest kite
U can have mouse buttons as modifiers?
timid grail
U can have mouse buttons as modifiers?
yeah, if you map that mouse button to a modifier combo (CTRL+SHIFT, CTRL+ALT, etc)
tulip falcon
yes
timid grail
i havent tried it myself, but someone further up in chat mentioned it was possible
tulip falcon
i do it
hoary ledge
yo @vestal citrus thoughts on kyrian + boat?
crude minnow
Oh nice. I'll watch and link to my rdruid buddy. I can see how arms/enh COULD work well with rdruid via defensive a and offhealing combined with rdruid cc, but we just weren't pulling it off well
forest kite
How to map mouse buttons to a combo?
timid grail
earlier today, i watched that video i just linked - his main points when running turbo cleave were:
- wild growth pvp talent is nice
- tree of life talent is a necessity because your two melee get cleaved super hard
crude minnow
Seems like the enhance needs to try hard not to get clapped too
soft arrow
someone have a link to balance pvp talents, the wowhead link is not up
crude minnow
It felt like going too defensive as rdruid turbo cleave was a death sentence
timid grail
maim off target? do you run feral affinity in 3s/turbo?
crude minnow
My problem in arena on my boonie and warrior is trying to defensively counter their initial go and waiting for a go afterwards. Just giving THEM a chance at a win before we have one
timid grail
isnt turbo meant to be hyper aggro?
clear pulsar
People aren't just gonna stop hitting you 'ok i bursted now it's your turn broski'
crude minnow
Yeah for sure. Keeping offensive pressure while mitigating their damage is something I struggle with
Damn enticing bear form for instance
clear pulsar
Just use bear form to setup and shit
Incap roar into cyclone
Then cyclone the other dps, root beam healer and GO GO GO
RMX opener, and RMX every 20s after
timid grail
lmao
vast vapor
yeap
crude minnow
Word. And when you say defensive against DK, are we talking stun/disarm/etc during grabby hands and try and kite away afterwards?
Hm alright. Thanks for the help. I don't wanna just ditch rdruid as an option and FOTM it. I'd rather get better with it.
umbral comet
Best 2s comp for boomie?
teal hinge
Rogue maybe?
teal hinge
It's kinda silly
river shore
ret + boomy has been way better for me than a rogue
clear pulsar
Boomy hpal / protpal
teal hinge
Oh yeah
stark wolf
best 2v2 for resto ?
devout frost
ww
cerulean light
Any tips for boomkin going against ret pally?
clear pulsar
It's called something else
I don't think people play exe sentence anymore
Final reckoning?
cerulean light
Thanks!
junior plover
alpine matrix
damn feral looks confusing as hell when you first try it. does it become easier or does it always look confusing and hard?
hoary ledge
well honed + ursine vigor > well honed + innate resolve?
south nacelle
Best boomy leggo?
south nacelle
NM saw pin
vast vapor
is hpal/boomie just waiting for convokes if youre NF
timber wadi
I mean.. AM+bop into convoke. Something will die
lethal pond
is Timeworn the leggo regardless of cov
queen copper
Timeworn or boat if you wanna all in on convoke
Have to play around eclipse@much more with boat
mystic oxide
For boomie pvp should I focus on mast or haste?
hearty wing
I don’t have much pvp experience but my friend who plays UH dk wants me to try 2s with him, what spec would work best with that? I main guardian for pve, which I assume wouldn’t work very well in arena
forest kite
Rdrood , nothing else can work
devout frost
I don’t have much pvp experience but my friend who plays UH dk wants me to try 2...
all 3 specs work well but double dps is harder to play
forest kite
double dps with DK is +/- unplayable except if u wanna just have fun in very low cr
hi how much honor points cost it to buy full pvp gear and upgrade all item to rank5?
proper moss
can you hibernate a druid that is in boomkin form?
proper moss
got it ty
random patrol
yw
hard marten
Hi guys, I'm trying to start pvp as Drood Heal and Balance, actually trash on both anyway, any advices ? 🤔
I mean, what's the mistakes the more common
queen copper
can you hibernate a druid that is in boomkin form?
You can however hibernate any class in soul shape
Pretty hilarious to hear “hibernated the warrior”
tiny oar
Hard to say without seeing vods / ur globals but for rdruid in general having full hots on their kill target before their go, pre bearing stuns on yourself, not being in the middle of the map for no reason, not ccing at the wrong time etc are all important @hard marten
tiny oar
Pretty hilarious to hear “hibernated the warrior”
Can you rly lol that's wild
hard marten
There is some class really nice to play with and others really bad ? maybe
As boomy or rdruid
tiny oar
In 2s for boomie ur best bet is prolly hpal or holy priest for consistent stuns on your root beam for healer or just stuns on healer, for rdruid u can play with pretty much any dps but any fotm melee / rdruid will be strong, ww warr etc
forest kite
in 2s as boomy Protpal / Hpal / Rcham .
in 3s , anything with a stun
Ele/ret/war/frostdk/sp ....
ww monk
wheat laurel
Does this look good for RBGs? https://gyazo.com/2f2523d9c889b5c6fdd000dc37db2fd2
forest kite
yeah , maybe stellar drift instead twin moons , Deep root instead Thorn
queen copper
I’d swap thorns for crescent burn or dying stars
forest kite
ofc you wanna starfall outside of burst/convoc
and stellar drift is mostly for the mobility
Deep root also is mandatory or root beam insta break
queen copper
Hmm that’s a big nope on starfall for mobility lol
wheat laurel
Yeah wasnt sure about starlord but i was told its nice for pumping more consistent dmg
forest kite
like i said , Stellar drift instead twin moons , but twin moons is also nice for spread quicker. Starlord > incarn , you don't care about 10% crit every 3 min .
if u play convoc / boat for RBG , it's enought .
hard marten
I'm actually trying 3vs3 as 2 Boomy + Pal Prot, is it viable ? :x
tiny oar
Up to like 1600 sure
queen copper
forest kite
also it depend of your comp . if you're playing like 3 boomy / 1 lock / 1 sp , you wanna the 3 boomy keeping starfall in teamfight all the time outside of convoc/bursting
queen copper
3k rated boomy I was playing with https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/kelthuzad/ilovemydogxo
forest kite
if you are alone as boomy , you just wanna nuke again again & again
Shrom , 95% of boomy are playing solstice+stellar drift at 2K6+ CR it depend of the comp :>
if you are not playing rot comp , ofc you just burst in ST
queen copper
If you have 3 boomies I don’t see why you would start fall over just 1 tapping someone
forest kite
because you can one Tap someone
and keep Starfall all time ?
with stellar drift , it's the point
it's the point of rot comp , rot people and swap on everyone dropping low , and apply an insane overall pressure to leach mana from healer
queen copper
I mean I’d disagree based on my experience but sure. As u said maybe just comp dependant. Nit running 3 boomy usually
forest kite
it depend of the map , myself i'm playing around 3K CR usually with 3 boomy ( one swaping guardian ) lock , dk , rogue x2
forest kite
in a map like warsong , you wanna nuke
stray sigil
def some dog shit comp
wheat laurel
So does this look good then glyph? https://gyazo.com/2f2523d9c889b5c6fdd000dc37db2fd2
stray sigil
they were so bad
surreal heron
forest kite
in a fucking endless Teamfight on eye of storm , you wanna rot , i don't know i'm swaping all the time between Solstice / stellar drift / twinmoons / Foe , sometime even new moon
queen copper
Moon o.0
forest kite
but deep root is mandatory xD
yeah sometime we all swap for new moon when we're facing strange comp without melee on some map
myself i just like using stellar drift when u need to move constantly , slowing down ppl mostly for the mobility , if i think i don't need it , i just go for twins moon
it's situationnal , for exemple taking lava , pushing water
i like the fact i can keep cast when walking , like i said it's situationnal
also sometime , when nobody is dying into an endless Teamfight , free casting , yeah we are pumping some ap into starfall
sharp vector
Hi guys, I'm a pve player but looking to get into pvp/arena 2v2. I play resto druid, have dtl rank 3 and 209ilvl. 8% vers. How do I go about learning arena? Am I better off getting 184 pvp vers gear and starting there? Thanks
tiny oar
8% vers is pretty low most ppl are 20+ so I'd get some vers heavy gear if possible ya and start watching rdruid streams to analyze the gameplay, nogard flop minpojke metaphors are all good to watch. Verdant infusion is the preferred leggo for resto arena atm so craft that too if you got the ash for it @sharp vector
viral granite
who are some good feral pvp streamers
dire nymph
anybody else been dealing with the priest mc bug in arenas? Been tilting me pretty hard as my main partner is a disc
tiny oar
Yea its pretty fucking miserable maining disc now
Ppl just teleporting around the map cuz I used a class ability is p troll
dire nymph
it really sucks
it's not just annoying, I know I've lost arenas because of it when I think I'm close enough to get a stun off but im actually not
sharp vector
Thanks @tiny oar
queen copper
That’s what causes it
Always thought I was lagging out turns out it’s my priest mcing people
tiny oar
Like oh cool we got sac let me just mc that rq oh now they're ping ponging across the entire map cool game
wheat laurel
Do you guys prefer dreamweaver or Niya as soulbind
hard marten
Depends your spec I think
wheat laurel
boomy
wheat laurel
oh ok ty
vapid nexus
If you use seed in pvp you deserved the beatings your daddy dealt ya
hushed pivot
What’s the current legendary for pvp for resto? Is it circle or verdant?
hard marten
Both are fine @hushed pivot
spring plover
Why does no one take cat-eye curio?
it seems good to me but I haven't played feral that much
ebon fable
any reason why i shouldn't craft balance of all things for RBGs?
I feel like dreambinder is good but I'd fuck it up too much lol
and let the buff drop
supple path
BOAT a lot harder to use properly in RBGs
supple path
You wanna dump starsurges with both, but with boat you have to do right when you trigger your ecliplse
summer hollow
Why can convoke do full moon if not talented
supple path
why can convoke do 5pt bites with no combo points
pliant trout
Because that's what it does
sacred rock
gotta keep titanforging alive somehow
summer hollow
Sounds busted. I hope it gets nerfed
supple path
thats not the busted part lol
sacred rock
just interrupt convoke
surreal heron
convoke also casts a talent when not talented
summer hollow
Doesn't it cast as it is being channeled?
surreal heron
convoke is strong, surprise
supple path
sometimes full moon doesnt even cast, or it slams into the healer you have cycloned
hard marten
sometimes, every fcking spells go on the one cycloned x.x
supple path
LOL
hushed pivot
Almost every covenant from most classes is busted when you fight against it honestly
sacred rock
nerf everything
summer hollow
That's how the spell works right? It's a casino spell as it is being channeled?
supple path
need to buff other covenant abilities not nerf convoke. Should fear the button from every class.
hushed pivot
“Why can cof full moon? Why can warriors keep me in place for 4 seconds? Why can hunters shoot behind pillars? Why can demon hunters 1 shot me?” Is generally the questions you’d see in most other class discord’s
sacred rock
convokes strong, but you know its coming and you can counter it. Some other abilities are harder to counter shrug
supple path
That's how the spell works right? It's a casino spell as it is being channeled?
yes, its a 4 sec channel
supple path
besides typhoon 😦
summer hollow
Okay, so you can kick convoke, sure, but if it dumps on you as soon as it's cast it's GG right?
supple path
like a lot of things right now, yes
sacred rock
I mean some of the cast will go off but if you kick it its less lethal
iron nacelle
It dumps over 4 seconds, not as soon as it's cast.
supple path
defensives are very effective
summer hollow
I don't have a problem with convoke in arena, tbh
supple path
starsurges hit just as hard as full moon in convoke really
sacred rock
na full moon is the real pumper
summer hollow
On /r/worldpvp they said most top druids don't even have convoke
sacred rock
yeah but full moon is like walking away from explosions
summer hollow
Yeah, it's kyrian right?
hard marten
Kyrian on Boomy yeah
supple path
Kyrian + Dreambinder + Fury of Elune. Pumping at you every minute
summer hollow
I'm a warlock, but I came over here to understand how convoke works, kick it, I get that. But basically, it's a channel and is a slot machine during that 4 secs right?
primal bane
which for pvp
supple path
Yup, its gonna cast at least 8 spells of the form the druid casts it in
re: convoke
so other 4 could be heals or feral
pliant trout
That's the healer convoke
summer hollow
Okay, so either CC them, or los?
queen copper
Other 8
pliant trout
So 10 form based and 6 random I think
summer hollow
And what's the cliff notes for the kyrian balance? You said it gets a burst on a 1min cd, like a shaman with Doomwinds+shamanism+trinket?
supple path
15% damage eevery minute. Used with a legendary that decreases starsurge cost, and increases damage up to 20%.
gets an extra buffed starsurge out
and that beam you see is more used more for the astral power for another extra starsurge
summer hollow
The silence beam?
summer hollow
Tbh I see mostly night fae druids since I'm pretty low on MMR, I didn't really pvp since like...wrath
supple path
you can check if kyrian by looking if they have a buff on themselve called lone empowerment (i think)
if they dont have that, hold something for convoke
summer hollow
And just zug zug them down?
summer hollow
Thank you druid, may we never meet in arena.
summer hollow
Lol! Yeah, it sucks but without it we die...Really fast. you can dispel it! But becareful because UA CAN crit
exotic wolf
Master @vestal citrus
I tried playing boomy yesterday in 3s. And I was serious about learning it instead of healing..
Can u give me any hints on how to play as ww/boomy/hpala?
summer hollow
Most affliction locks have a terrible crit rate though.
hard marten
Rdrood in 3vs3, should I go with 2 melees ?
native igloo
If I'm crafting a boomie legendary solely for rbgs should is be boat or dreambinder?
last basin
how do u play twos with a resto shammy as nf boomie? i struggle to use my convoke
especially vs rogue mage i even struggle to survive
hard marten
Root + Silence on mage then convok ^-^
In low cr it's free win xd
convok sucks after low cr anyway
last basin
and bait 2 shadoowsteps and interrupts?
last basin
ok ok because i focus more on trying to save my shammy
also i wouldnt say convoke sucks but its probably hard to setup without a hpala
on high sr
last basin
still there are people using it on higher ratings
last basin
i hate so much that kyrian is the go to in most classes for pvp
flying boyz
thanx for the info sir
hard marten
dw there is lot of classes playing others
weak hinge
I feel like NF is better for 2s. Way easier to get it off there with root beam and baited kicks.
For 3s u usually use it to force def play or kicks to change momentum
last basin
how does the kyrian ability works on pvp?
i dont understand how the link works
oh u can actually not link to anybody?
ebon fable
Is there a certain amount of haste boomies want in PvP? or is it always just vers > haste > mastery
exotic wolf
thanks master @vestal citrus
lime light
@last basin use it on yourself and press u wanna do big dam
Cuz it buffs your dmg by 15%
last basin
is this ability on gcd?
surreal loom
eyyyy I finally found a good jungle team, went from 1700 to 2k in legit 2 hours. AND they're my timezone to play more; sometimes you can get lucky I guess
surreal loom
Feels like theres much better partners to be picking if you're playing Balance. Also means you basically have to have RSham for kicks; but you also dont have stuns
Also I really want to go back to Kyrian, convoke feral is quickly becoming a meme against better players. Only feels good in 2's or if the hunter is the target so I can afk kill healer
forest kite
Feral convoke is still decent tbh, kyrian is just more consistent
I'm still getting good convokes off at 2.4 mmr right now
surreal loom
Yeah survival probably good, MM Im not sure (I've seen 1 survival all season though)
indigo dock
If ppl can take NF feral to 2.9k then I think ure fine with it lul
forest kite
Yeah exactly, like in jungle you don't even need it to get a kill or anything. So I use it often just to get a trinket or a big deffensive cooldown
so you can kill in next go
surreal loom
I mean yeah it can win games or there's times where against like UHDK/WW you want to be able to help burst a DPS but you just have to sit on your hands
dreamy bloom
any resto druid that plays 2s with a affi lock and can tell me whats the main strategy? how can i help my lock during his go other than bashing the healer? cyclone would be counter productive with his dots on both i guess? or are there any videos or guides? i can't find much for this comp, even though it is mentioned regularly to be good but i cant see how (noob here btw, sorry if its obvious)
wraith ember
Would circle be a decent resto legendary for both arenas and rbgs or is verdant infusion a better pick?
rapid hazel
what lego should i use as resto for 2v2 push
wraith ember
Thanks for the response I will go verdant
rapid hazel
thx
languid knot
eyyyy I finally found a good jungle team, went from 1700 to 2k in legit 2 hours....
Is that feral,hunter,disc?
lime light
Ofc
whole ingot
how much vers do you guys have?
tulip falcon
28%
obtuse ice
58
whole ingot
is 19% extremely low
tulip falcon
most people with majority PvP gear seem to be around 25-30%
with up to date conquest pieces
so wouldn't say it's extremely low but lower than average
tulip falcon
depends honestly, if you feel like you're lacking vers then the neck and rings are a good pick
if you have the unrated conquest gear then you probably aren't really gonna get above 25%
whole ingot
think I have mostly challenger pieces with a single rival
tulip falcon
you can upgrade the challenger gear to rival with some honor
whole ingot
sadly not... as I fell down to 1.6k after taking a week break with some sloppy pug cooperation
tulip falcon
ahh fair
tulip falcon
the elite neck alone gives me like 5% vers which is pretty nutty
sick latch
Hey, has anyone using elvui managed to get the party frames ordered by index during arenas ?
ember temple
I got a 213 weap form pve, with crit vers on it.. im not. neae 2100 to upgrade it..
my focus should be other pvp items right?
sick latch
Thanks i will try that
ember temple
yes glyph
pine compass
Played my hpala in some arenas this season, looking to start a few on the rdroo now - who are some of the most active streamers this season?
ember temple
if you 2v2 ! then use cat talent, and convoke ! 😳
its insane
tall prairie
Which legendary do people go for resto PVP?
ember temple
Which legendary do people go for resto PVP?
the one who dosent soak hot when swiftmend
tiny oar
Played my hpala in some arenas this season, looking to start a few on the rdroo ...
pins but nogard minpojke flop metaphors are all active r1 rdruid streamers
pine compass
Cheers! Was really hoping somebody narrowed it down for me 😉
bitter harness
tiny oar
vroom vroom ur a mobile chicken death machine
whole ingot
What streamers are best out of the pinned feral streamers?
like who explains things the best and is the easiest to follow?
tulip falcon
most streamers dont really explain stuff to the stream as they're playing
they sort of just play as normal and turn a stream on
wouldn't really think of any as objectively the best on the list but they'll all be similar in terms of following what they're doing
whole ingot
hmm okay... I'm just thinking of something like Pikaboo compared to other rogue streamers
tulip falcon
yeah I know he goes through vods and sometimes and explains stuff but tbh I haven't seen many other streamers do that
whole ingot
yeah he is the r1 rogue after all
modest bone
verdant infusion or circle of life and death for resto arena 2s?
tulip falcon
a lot of them shill their instructional stuff to skillcapped again so
naive ocean
i have 20% haste 20% verse for boomy is that enough for do i need more?
clear pulsar
Cant you just use SortGroup addon?
clear pulsar
i have 20% haste 20% verse for boomy is that enough for do i need more?
You need more. Once you reach 22% vers the climb to 2.4 is so much easier.
naive ocean
whats the diff between 22 and 20 =.=
i would ahve to drop haste to get more verse though
clear pulsar
It's a joke
It's a meme answer
Cuz 'need more' is a stupid way of looking at stats
No such thing as 'is this enough stat'
That type of question gets asked all the time and there is no good answer to give
tiny oar
sounds fine buddy go crank the noobs
forest kite
@rigid linden do u play jungle?
naive ocean
i dont get why haste is important is there really that big of a diff between a 1.4 sec cast and a 1.6 sec cast
tiny oar
last i saw on tickis stream he was an fmp boi @forest kite
im sure he could play anything n still break ankles tho
rigid linden
@forest kite jungle and Fmpala
forest kite
ty
tiny oar
exotic wolf
rigid linden
wot
rigid linden
HISASHI BURII DANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
tiny oar
is he rly honor lvl 895 lmao
clear pulsar
Lontar yeah
clear pulsar
Every rank 1 is
tulip falcon
raiku taking the fall for what people knew anyway 
tulip falcon
i mean yeah if they haven't done anything at this point i don't think they ever will
wintrading been going on as long as arena has been a thing
clear pulsar
If loony's not suspended/dqd, why did WCG pick up fucking Asgarath of all people
lime light
Worst trash is merce
tulip falcon
lmao
lime light
Playing with loony mw and himself as destro, with vooster
Every day
And whispering after lose
Lmao
Hope he gets banned and end up i kfc
Or McDonald
clear pulsar
Yall real emotional with these gamers
They are too ofc
It all just sounds kinda ridiculous like
Is only game? Why you have to be mad
Idk bro you tox
tulip falcon
i mean even back in the day i still find it funny that reckful got banned for acc sharing but all these other people have for sure done it hundreds of times
some weird selective punishments blizz have always done
split mason
What talents to run as a tank in rbg?
tulip falcon
What talents to run as a tank in rbg?
usually roll with this for most things, sometimes change to entangling claws instead of raging frenzy depending on comp
split mason
Tyvm
lime light
Guardian abusers iam not gonna kick u from my channel
Cuz i have a good day
But u are not allowed to speak
Weirdos
tiny oar
lol
tulip falcon
believe me
i don't want to play it
but i have to
i had much fun playing feral only in RBG last season when DH was the only viable fc spec
im not abusing it im forced at gunpoint
grim hemlock
what soul binds and conduits are everyone playing for balance in arena.
pallid coral
maiden wraith
Is there any balance legendary to pick besides BoAT? Im too poor to afford the higher rankings of the legs/feet pieces...
grim hemlock
you can take pulsar but I think most people prefer Boat is almost all scenarios
clear pulsar
Dreambinder for pvp
rancid sundial
Dreambinder strong
stable sluice
What does dreambinder do
rancid sundial
Starsurge increases starsurge damage and reduces starsurge cost by 10% for 4s (I think) up to 2 stacks
- fury of elune talent
You can pump out 4 or 5 starsurges in a go
loud bear
so want to get to 2100 rating in rated battlegrounds (feral) and have apex level 2 so far and circle level 4. I saw the most used pvp lego is symmetri. Is it that much better or can i go just with apex for now and upgrade it to level 4? Circle is bad right?
opal condor
any thoughts on which legendary to use as a guardian FC?
tulip falcon
any thoughts on which legendary to use as a guardian FC?
Sleeper is your best option
tulip falcon
so want to get to 2100 rating in rated battlegrounds (feral) and have apex level...
You'll honestly be fine with Apex, I'm using it in RBGs at the moment as feral and feel like it works better here than in arena since you can keep a few dots rolling with ease and get hella procs.
Having 2-3 bites back to back on kill target is pretty huge
clear pulsar
Yeah primal wrath them bitches too
tulip falcon
tasty procs
clear pulsar
You're a tasty proc
surreal heron
tulip falcon
too kind
loud bear
ok thx, so would you run primal wrath instead of brutal slash with apex or depending on the battle ground? like i think the mines, azerithe shards and mists of pandario orb one should be nice
clear pulsar
Depends on enemy team idk
Wouldn't run it vs like 5 casters
No point
EOTS tho
tulip falcon
yeah i'd only run primal wrath on condensed teamfight maps like eots and gilneas etc
maps like kotmogu silvershard seething etc i'll playing objectives anyway
so not worth it unless you're going big teamfight
i'm usually stuck deffing on base maps anyway 💫
loud bear
@tulip falcon any tips on defending base, especially against rogues? i like really struggle against them.
loud bear
feral, i struggle when he uses the smokebomb or what it is called. so i need to get melee to interrupt him. and when he uses evasion i have to run. last time i used my medaillon for one of his stuns, because he was bursting me and while running away for the evasion duration he blinded me for 7 seconds and got the base.
like i am really unsure on how to approach a rogue
tulip falcon
There's not a lot you can really do defending as feral since you only have trinket, you should really only be defending as boomkin (for treants) or guardian
Only way you'd ever prevent cap is if the rogue had no clue what he was doing
loud bear
ok i guess was unlucky with the comp, we had no tank and no rogue on our side, so they let me defend
tulip falcon
Yeah if there's no tanks then it should only be pet classes or classes with invulns otherwise there isn't much point
If they want you to def just go guardian since all you need to do is run brambles and barkskin the flag
it lasts 12 sec so can sometimes last into the blind if the rogue doesn't know about it and blinds over it after the sap
loud bear
ok thx for the answer.
tulip falcon
as long as you're on top of the flag when you skin with brambles it will interrupt flag cap max range
clear pulsar
feral, i struggle when he uses the smokebomb or what it is called. so i need to ...
You don't have to run in on smoke bomb at all ever
Unless there's more than 1 person
jaunty prawn
So I got uniquely fucked out of getting the 2 feral legendary memories from torghast last week. those were Fearful Symmetry and Apex. Now I'm stuck between crafting Cat Eye Curio or Draught of Deep Focus (tuesday). Which do you guys think is better in 3s? I'm tempted to run Cat Eye + Moment of Clarity
clear pulsar
Why did you get fucked out of getting the memories?
tulip falcon
ye smoke is only 5 secs so its not quite long enough for cap
but having feral def is just pointless when if they send 2 its gg
clear pulsar
Yeah if you're on base sit duty you should go boomie
jaunty prawn
well it's kinda my fault, but i was on the quest Reawakening which tells you to get a stolen memory of the jailor.. so I ran torghast for 11 hours with no drop. Turns out the memory it was referring to was some random quest item, not the legendary memories. horrible wording from blizz, and it was mentioned nowhere in the faq or on wowhead that you couldnt get torg memories until later in the quest chain
clear pulsar
Guardian prob nice if you have sleeper too but treants top
Hah
That's not you getting fucked out of it bro
Getting fucked would imply outside fault
jaunty prawn
i mean why would you have a question item named a stolen memory of the jailor
clear pulsar
The feral legendaries arent insanely impactful either way
jaunty prawn
when there are actually stolen memories of the jailor that drop
clear pulsar
The quest marks the map for you and tells you where to go tho
Regardless
Draught is pretty worthless
Cat-eye is kinda worthless too? It gives you like, a longer chain of shred bite shred bite on Berserk
It's ok
Personally I'd just wait it out
And not make either of them garbo ones
jaunty prawn
yeah seems like better uptime. it'll be 3 weeks til I can get Symmetry anyway so I'll have plenty of ash by the time I get it. Thanks
clear pulsar
I fucked around with natural orders will and it's kinda neat!?
naive hatch
Any tips as feral vsing mage rogue in 2s?
loud bear
You don't have to run in on smoke bomb at all ever
does moonfire interrupt capping? wasn't sure and didn't want to lose the base without contest if it doesn't
clear pulsar
Well if you didn't know whether moonfire stopped cap or not, then you'd be running in on rogue regardless of smoke bomb
The direct hit of Moonfire stops cap
The dot ticks don't
clear pulsar
yeah seems like better uptime. it'll be 3 weeks til I can get Symmetry anyway so...
Yeah if you only do pvp I'd actually make Natural Orders Will over any of those any day of the week
If you're trying to get something that's useful in pve then sure, Cat Eye should do something for you
weak hinge
oh just saw - do we play Dreamweaver this Week in PVP when we're nightfae? Cuz of double endurance + double potency?
sweet yoke
hey all whats the consensus for best FC legend for guardian
rigid linden
Zugzug
tulip falcon
hey all whats the consensus for best FC legend for guardian
Sleeper
devout frost
hey all whats the consensus for best FC legend for guardian
sleeper or reroll boomie
tulip falcon
Boomie is really on good for deffing, FCing will get dunked on
sweet yoke
so is ur recco not to build a guard legend?
devout frost
Boomie is the pref. FC over guardian rn
tulip falcon
Nah if you're FCing I'd recommend at least getting a low iLvl sleeper
devout frost
in high tiers
oblique lion
Does anyone here play jungle as feral? Just wondering what the opener should be / who goes first
devout frost
but if u want to do it as guardian its always sleeper
tulip falcon
Well I'm playing 2.6-2.9 mmr and not seen a single boomie FC on EU
only saw it once on a low team
not a single high team here is running boomie FC
tulip falcon
It's either guardian or veng
devout frost
i mean
u always run veng if u can run veng
but boomie takes less dmg and deals more dmg than guardian
finite prawn
any love for frenzybands in PVP for feral?
devout frost
guardians only advantage is cc immunity with sleeper
tulip falcon
Like I've said I've only seen one boomie FC and a few vengs out of nearly 200 RBGs at 2.5+ this season
heavy cairn
^
eternal axle
Boomie is the pref. FC over guardian rn
O.o
is this true?
tulip falcon
No
Boomie doesn't have the tank debuff but it's still not as tanky as guardian will ever be
eternal axle
@tulip falcon What do you see out there as the most common/effective FCs?
hardy cargo
Demon hunter
heavy cairn
Boomkin or veng dh
median jasper
what does FC stand for? just came into this channel and wondering
tulip falcon
Probably like 60% guardian and 40% veng, only ever seen one boomie FC ever.
heavy cairn
Flag carrier
hardy cargo
Monk can do decently for pure speed
heavy cairn
Monk is not good at FC
devout frost
Boomie doesn't have the tank debuff but it's still not as tanky as guardian will...
celestian guardian makes up for any advantage guardian has
hardy cargo
But badly in a fight
devout frost
and u still have ur full burst available
tulip falcon
celestian guardian makes up for any advantage guardian has
How so?
heavy cairn
@devout frost boomkins do not tank at high mmr that’s just not true. I play rbgs at 2.5 mmr as well
median jasper
wanted to ask, for feral 2s/3s what legendary should i craft? starting to craft some rank 1 legendaries for offspec to try out in pvp
tulip falcon
Which teams run boomie FC? I honestly can't name a single one at high mmr.
Like examples
devout frost
ask varugh 🙂
lost siren
wanted to ask, for feral 2s/3s what legendary should i craft? starting to craft ...
Head that gives you combo points from tigers fury
median jasper
thx, stats are vers+ crit?
devout frost
vers/mast
tulip falcon
ask varugh 🙂
on eu or us?
devout frost
idk
lime light
rats
heavy cairn
The only time I’ve played boomkin tank is vs a bad team where we are just trying to get it over with faster
hearty wing
For Feral Druid opener with Symmetry legendary: after the initial tiger’s fury/rip, do I just shred back up to 5cp, or do I want to use feral frenzy even though I’m losing 2 combo points just to get the damage out faster?
tulip falcon
The only time I’ve played boomkin tank is vs a bad team where we are just trying...
legit
hearty wing
Don’t know how much faith to have in icy veins, but it doesn’t mention changing the rotation (use feral frenzy after rip) due to having the legendary
ember temple
For Feral Druid opener with Symmetry legendary: after the initial tiger’s fury/r...
i see good players use rake, rip, frenzy and then they pop tigers and berserk...
wouldent you lile to rake, rip, tigers and berserk first and then go to 5 combo, bite ans then frenzy?
well, that is my oppener atm... or i use berserk before rake to make it esier rotation .. Not sure why is use rip. but yeah 😀😅
hearty wing
Aren’t you still losing combo points that way, if you frenzy after tigers fury?
sweet yoke
anyone know where to get Well-Honed Instincts conduit at 200+ ilvl?
the auto enraged regen one
clear pulsar
For Feral Druid opener with Symmetry legendary: after the initial tiger’s fury/r...
Just press Berserk after FF then
TF with FF, Berserk, triple Bite
hearty wing
So opener is:
rake>1cp rip>TF+FF+Berserk>Bite, then normal rotation from there and probably apply a buffed rip at some point?
tardy hare
I usually just do something like rake, thrash, tigersfury rip > spam spam bite etc
slim robin
clear pulsar
Yes
tulip falcon
i just want to see his cult members
someone who knows him told me that it's some old ww2 nazi hospital or some shit that he lives in
tulip falcon
he looks like he doesnt wash
empty venture
what would be the better second stat for guardian FC? versa is very obviously mega bis (as always) but then, mastery or crit?
tulip falcon
mastery
empty venture
sounds good
tulip falcon
versa>mastery
tidal linden
I use vers/has mostly but that’s cause I main boomy and os guardian for FC, vers/mas ideal so you get more healing
tulip falcon
honestly doesn't matter a whole lot
empty venture
it's for my legendary, so I get the luxury of picking what I want
so might as well pick the right one ^^
tidal linden
I crafted my r1 iron bark legendary as vers has but prob should’ve done vers mas but not going to make a difference IMO
tulip falcon
nah honestly won't matter
empty venture
really, have you had time to try it already? I'm going for sleeper personally since it supports my playstyle, but how much more durable does bark makes you as a result?
empty venture
the leech and damage aren't garb either, you can't get CC so this leech is maximum value by default, in case I need it to dispatch a rogue on base def duty
tulip falcon
yeah i've actually 1v2ed when i've been double inced a few times with incarn up
empty venture
1v1 are ez, 1v2 I have yet to do, but with that, I'm confident :^)
tulip falcon
basically impossible to lose base as guardian
tidal linden
I may have to try that out, I went ironbark since it’s good for m+ too and figured 2 free FR were good
tulip falcon
amount of times i've popped incarn on incs on flag maps and the rogue tries to kidney bomb into it is uncountable
empty venture
who would win?
- two highly trained assassin, master of the blade and skilled poisoner
- an angry bear
tulip falcon
easy choice
empty venture
another question:
rend & tear / tooth & claw / pulverize?
I've grown to like pulverize as an on demand "defensive" but tooth & claw feels like more value on average
proper moss
Aside from conflux and well-honed, what other conduits should I be running as rdruid with verdant?
forest kite
How pve trinkets work in pvp?
hardy cargo
How pve trinkets work in pvp?
Depends on the trink. Does the trinket do damage? Is it a passive trink? Do you have to run around or stand still for buff?
forest kite
Stat buff on use
umbral steeple
Does anyone have any tips on surviving in 3s? I feel like I’m always forced into bear or kiting and can never start using a series of finishers on my target. What am I suppose to do to optimize my time spent trying not to die?
mighty cairn
As a necro rdruid who plays mostly 2's, I'd like some direction on when to pick guardian versus feral affinity. I'll typically go guardian into any melee and feral into any caster, but I've found that going guardian is always much easier. Charge + roar + clone is a reliable cc chain plus I get my survivability. I don't find that I get constant restealths if I go feral.
am I thinking about that correctly?
clear pulsar
Necro / circle or kyrian / timeworn with my sp buddy
Necro circle boomie is not a thing bro
civic rapids
you can play any cov you want just may not be optimized
haughty compass
Yet
civic rapids
that being said Convoke is not a viable move at high end pvp so its not unheard of to not be night fae at high rating
gteting insta kicked /CC every time you pop convoke above 2k rating makes it not that tits
civic rapids
haha
haughty compass
I hit 1800 dk / Venthyr moonkin / sham lol
civic rapids
anything is possible
clear pulsar
gteting insta kicked /CC every time you pop convoke above 2k rating makes it not...
That's on you
civic rapids
not disagreeing
but if you think you will get majority of your convokes off at that high level
you need to live it and try
im sure players can pull it off
clear pulsar
Bro 2k isnt high levle
civic rapids
there will always be variants to the equation
to be fair its not about "high" as much as it is about a "noticable play style change"
above 1800 you generally see a diff style of play
civic rapids
it plays into the Ilvl argument in this xpac
hardy cargo
I think what burger means is that at 1800 people start having a brain and will save interrupt for not bait regrowth
Yea?
civic rapids
^
clear pulsar
@haughty compass if you're gonna play necro, keep in mind it buffs fury of elune
clear pulsar
I think what burger means is that at 1800 people start having a brain and will s...
And what I'm saying is that's a load of shit
civic rapids
you "as a good player" should be able to make any scenario / cov work to your benefit
clear pulsar
Also similarly
You'd HOPE that if you're facing players who seem to have a brain
You'd have one too
Druid has inhuman amounts of crowd control to set up for Convokes
hardy cargo
I'm aware of that lol
civic rapids
lol
hardy cargo
I was just trying to interpret burger
clear pulsar
But at 2k you have plenty of ooga booga ret war ww anything busted that pop everything on opener
hardy cargo
I'm more scared of ww than I am any other class
clear pulsar
Yeah 'people at higher rating are better than people at lower rating' isn't really a take or a talking point tho is it
chrome panther
should be scared of good turbos imo
civic rapids
it becomes a talking point when justifying the actions at each level because its defaulted into the result
if that makes sense
hardy cargo
should be scared of good turbos imo
Im absolutely terrified of everything. I'm a nervous mess. Unless its a warrior. Warriors aren't scary
civic rapids
poor warriors this xpac so far
civic rapids
they will get some godly nerf in a few weeks
hardy cargo
Prot war buff too
civic rapids
buff i mean
chrome panther
the second war/ret or war/sham connect with something
clear pulsar
1800 players have brains and arms needs a buff
chrome panther
it flops 9/10
clear pulsar
That's some parallel universe shit fo sho
civic rapids
the argument will be diff depending on the rating you are playin at i think
pale garnet
Whats the best race for druids? (horde)
civic rapids
cause a 210 ilvl warrior hits pretty hard
chrome panther
Whats the best race for druids? (horde)
tauren
hardy cargo
Whats the best race for druids? (horde)
Tauren
chrome panther
my war partner got 233 wep first week
pale garnet
Ty @hardy cargo
chrome panther
absolutely disgusting having a 33ilvl advantage over 99% of players
hardy cargo
If you care about mogs zandalari
civic rapids
@clear pulsar i feel like no matter what i say i will be wrong with this mans view hahaha
haughty compass
We’re not all 2600 man, we are Learning too. Get outta here with that toxicity
chrome panther
uh
if your in here claiming arms needs buffs
your gonna get called a smoothbrain
sorry
clear pulsar
Yeah that's a wild statement bro
hardy cargo
I said buff prot lmao. Arms needs nerfs
clear pulsar
I choose not to read anything that mentions tanks in pvp
hardy cargo
That one prot warrior does
fickle junco
civic rapids
are they really prot or more holy shields haha
fickle junco
does anyone do RBGs without 1 tank?
civic rapids
i see 7 dps 3 heals yea
some tanks run 2 specs for certain maps too
but you can make any tank viable on any map
hardy cargo
How is tank viable on seething
civic rapids
thats the arcanite shit right
fleet panther
what legendary is rdruid using for rbgs?
hardy cargo
Azerite but yes
lime light
@clear pulsar MAN i have a request
chrome panther
what legendary is rdruid using for rbgs?
dreambinder because i dont play rdruid in rbgs 🤣
hardy cargo
Stall caps?
civic rapids
you can stall long time haha
hardy cargo
what legendary is rdruid using for rbgs?
I use swiftmend leggo. Mostly because its also good in arenas
clear pulsar
You wot
fleet panther
dreambinder because i dont play rdruid in rbgs 🤣
should I just play guardian for RBGs? I tank raid and m+s anyway so I know the class lol
clear pulsar
I barely play wow lately @lime light
civic rapids
guardian is my fav for RBG
clear pulsar
Last week was big celebrations I legit only did 2 RBGs on monday night for Vault, that's all I played
hardy cargo
Guardian and not resto or feral? I'm heartbroken