pvp

[lime light]

[worthy field]

On my necrolord resto druid I was doing a DoT build. All my dots were ticing for 3-5k

also makes your heals really strong at the same time

[open verge]

how do you open in 2s usually?

[tall rapids]

yo pvp ferals do we keep up thrash

or forget the ability entirely in pvp?

[open verge]

I do use thrash on multiple targets sometimes

[dire nymph]

are you using bite conduit?

can be a little more worth

[tall rapids]

nah i have the one that gives me stealth shred and rake from finishers

[open verge]

it is worth it then imho

[tall rapids]

only one thats dropped to me thats okay

[dire nymph]

kk

yeah outside of cleave probably forget it most of the time

[tall rapids]

so just dont use it on st

if its just like 1 guy im fightin

yea the energy consumption is huge on it

[dire nymph]

i don't think the energy is worth it

[tall rapids]

huge true okay will do

thx for the help 🙂

[open verge]

for me shred deals almost twice the dmg of thrash

[haughty compass]

Isolating a target with convoke as chicken is insane.

[open verge]

as in insanely hard? 🙂

[lime light]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/pvp-rewards-and-item-levels/761970

[open verge]

yeah so just static 550 with catchup

[lime light]

that

sounds

super bad

[true pendant]

You get 1 item from vault each week

So about 10-11 weeks for full gear

[lime light]

ah true

i forgot about it

[true pendant]

Only weapons are scuffed

10 weeks for em lol

Probably gonna get changed

[open verge]

seeing as some people dont even see them on the vendor

they might still have some changes to put in

[vital parcel]

Anyone know what item slot i want my legendary for pvp? 🙂

[dusty sphinx]

Looks pretty much like "Yeah you're getting geared through the RNG chest, we give you some pity conquest so you don't get left out if you get too many doubles"

[vital parcel]

oh

feral/resto

playing both

[clear pulsar]

You can make symmetry and verdant both on gloves

Which saves up a slot for either spec

When buying gear with conq for instance

Or shoulder for both apex and verdant

If you want apex instead

[shadow cedar]

are they doing a pvp pass on reset tomorrow?

or that will be next week?

[clear pulsar]

It makes very little difference in terms of output, idk if anyone has much of an answer as to what slot to make

For pvp

[sage ridge]

my friend is now only wanting to play disc instead of shadow so looks like i need 2 go feral instead of balance. Won't be able to get symmetry for a few weeks since i missed it somehow, what's the 2nd best lego option until then?

[clear pulsar]

Cap increases by 550 each week

It's not 550 every week

Week 2 will be 1100

[sage ridge]

no it is

[coarse kayak]

it is

[sage ridge]

they restated it

[clear pulsar]

Oh

[coarse kayak]

550 each week

[clear pulsar]

They restated it

[coarse kayak]

it goes up if you missed conquest from previous week

[vital parcel]

Yeah I was thinking of getting that

[clear pulsar]

HUmongous clowns

Holy shit

[vital parcel]

but not sure where to put it

[sage ridge]

yea its kinda bad

[lime light]

its good catch up

system

[sage ridge]

for sure

[lime light]

but not so great

when u are up to date

imo

[sage ridge]

yea kinda insane

[lime light]

get it from weekly?

🙂

[raw panther]

hey

are you all going to run soul of the forest

or something else for m+

[dusty sphinx]

Better hope you get the right weapon in your first weekly chest .P

[sage ridge]

this is pvpp

[raw panther]

SORRY

[dusty sphinx]

I just realized how much this system will suck for those that split 50/50 pvp/m+

Being so reliant on the weekly chest for gearing means you really have to pick 1 type of content for a long time

[raw panther]

what rating is Rival?

[true pendant]

1.8

[forest kite]

any good rdudu pvp shadowlands gearlist/guide (current/up to date)

[hoary ledge]

10 week stat stick feels bad

[clear pulsar]

Total conquest cost is 11k for one of each slot, 1750 more for offspec weapon (a bit more if 1h+oh), 200 for each conduit, 525 more if you want relentless trinket or 700 more if you want an insignia or badge or emblem.

Takes 20 weeks

[true pendant]

You get 1 item for vault per week

And you have one slot less due to leggo

[clear pulsar]

Ok so 9 weeks

:)

And 90k honor

To upgrade everything

[chrome panther]

90k Honor 🙃🙃🙃

[hoary ledge]

uwu what’s this

[clear pulsar]

Just the honor items tomorrow will take 28k honor

To get from 171 to 184

[sage ridge]

yike

[acoustic nebula]

Did you have 2 weeks bad luck in m0? Lol

[stone nest]

does the honor cap increase?

[clear pulsar]

Yeah I leveled late so I only did 2 dgs week 1

And only got 3 items total week 2

The honor cap is only for how much you can hold at once

You can farm however much honor you want

[stone nest]

i know and it sucks lol

[stray sigil]

[severe python]

So conquest cap doesnt increase with rating? Could be a few extra weekly's that give you more conquest as well, like soul ash

[stone nest]

has there been clarification on conquest? it seems like it could go 2 ways with how they worded it

[severe python]

'For PvP players, the weekly Conquest cap will start at 550 and increase by 550 per week.'

They have worded this horribly if the cap is still going to be 550 each week. Are they saying total conquest or weekly cap?

[hoary ledge]

Seems like it’s actually just terrible wording. I think it’s a static 550 which is trash

[dusty sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282986412624838666/785631013627625482/unknown.png
They're quite clear if you read into it

[hoary ledge]

A lot of the AWC guys are popping off on twitter

[open verge]

its now 100% wtf are you guys on

[dusty sphinx]

^

[hoary ledge]

Yeah feels so bad

Stat stick week 10 Esketit

[clear pulsar]

It's bait wording

It really is absurd

Basically

The idea that each game mode's gearing stands on their own is something they didn't stand by

Just spoke of

[novel sky]

Feels bad man

[solid needle]

Are there any viable 2v2/3v3 comps for boomkins?

[heavy cairn]

Night before season drops when people are suppose to be jumping for joy they slip us the.... 550 conquest per week btw...

[crystal rampart]

550 wtf how expensive were the weapons again?

4k for a 2 hander right?

[heavy cairn]

can’t even unlock the ability to buy them until you’ve earned 5k conquest

Yeah

3k for main hand 1k for oh

[crystal rampart]

fckin' hell that's one way of ruining the vendors again :/

[clear pulsar]

1750 now

It was 4k when conquest cap was much higher

In beta

They cost the same in conquest as they cost in honor

Each slot does

[crystal rampart]

I see

[heavy cairn]

Still gotta wait so long crazy

[novel sky]

we raiders now

[random patrol]

whelp time to spam the mplus and heroics again

[novel sky]

to the PvE mines

[rigid linden]

And just like that

All my hypes gone

And I cbf again

Welp best get my spreadsheet out boys cause into pve we go again for our gear

[novel sky]

yeaaap

just gonna make my pve lego first lmao

[chrome panther]

plenty of haste vers from raid 😉

[novel sky]

some good drops off m+ too

[open verge]

yeah but that's not the point

[silver trout]

I saw that pvp items have more vers than the 2nd stat

[open verge]

its as if you'd say someone who'd like to eat a burger "look, there's shit, you can eat that instead"

[novel sky]

pretty sure we're memeing to hide the pain Ath

[silver trout]

😦

[open verge]

😦

[chrome panther]

[lime light]

we done bois

[open verge]

guess im gonna see how far ill get with honor gear and 1 conq piece

[chrome steppe]

pvp is awful

no reason to pvp 1st week

why the fuck did they do this to us

[open verge]

wdym, its fun

[chrome steppe]

i mean yeh

[chrome panther]

cause they want us to play all the content obv

[open verge]

dont you play sub

[chrome steppe]

they shouldnt let people stack conquest

if you dont get it 1st week

you shouldnt be able to get caught up 2nd week

[open verge]

why

[chrome steppe]

so it forces people to pvp

[chrome panther]

pvp supposed to be a full-time job to stay competitive apparently

[open verge]

its a good system

you are forced

[chrome steppe]

its an awful system

[open verge]

weekly vault

[lime light]

how is it good

are u ok

[chrome panther]

cap conq, farm a million honor, clear heroic raid, farm m+

[chrome steppe]

lol pvpers will do mythic 14+

for 226

[chrome panther]

Pretty fucking sick of pveing to pvp lmao

[open verge]

@lime light it would be good if its not so low

[hoary ledge]

What are the renown breakdowns for honor upgrades? Can we make the honor weapon decent prior to getting conq weapon? Or is raiding / M+ just the move now

[chrome panther]

honor upgrade caps tomm at 184

SO

[lime light]

conquest will be good

[hoary ledge]

Is it a plus 7-10 ish upgrade per week? Wouldn’t be as scuffed if we could consistently upgrade the weapon

[lime light]

in like

3 months into ixpac

[hoary ledge]

Yeah i mean still great incentive to get 1.8 this week and 2.1 ASAP after for vault choices

[chrome steppe]

i think the high rank 1's

will just get 2.1 for the vault real quick

[chrome panther]

Imagine getting weapon from vault

[chrome steppe]

but everyone else will pve

conquest is capped so no reason to spam pvp

just get ur conquest cap weekly and wait to push

[chrome panther]

besides you know

finding it fun

[open verge]

well the reason is to get to 3 options in weekly vault

[hoary ledge]

Yeah the options are huge

[tardy hare]

Gonna spam hella arenas

Fuck random bgs

Style on kids in rbgs and 2s

[clear pulsar]

If you have 15k and farm another 13k you can get all honor gear to 184 and the conquest gear to 220 if you're rival

[bright lark]

For feral, is vers>crit or vers>mastery better? Night fae, if that matters.

[lime light]

how does the legendary upgrade works @vestal citrus

[open verge]

just dust and higher ilvl base item

[lime light]

so its w/e

[novel sky]

just noticed you only need 2100 for max ilvl gear too

[sand spade]

I cant see weapons at conquest vendor

can any of you?

[tardy hare]

On some classes i can but not on druid

[exotic elbow]

Anyone else getting chomped in arena? Maybe I’m going to ham, but I feel like I’m dead as soon as I leave stealth (feral)

[sand spade]

My guildies can see, but none of the druids can

[open verge]

@exotic elbow try using battle master trinket

[sand spade]

What rating is rival? Or do we not know yet?

[open verge]

https://twitter.com/WatcherDev/status/1336098429756264448

Ion Hazzikostas (@WatcherDev)

@laoboq @Stoopzz_TV @ElliottVenczel We're going to be removing the "total Conquest earned" requirement from weapons on the vendor. It's a relic of the old system, and not needed in the new version. The change should be in by the time the season starts - we'll confirm in our official Hotfix Notes once this is live.

Twitter · Dec 8, 2020, 12:01 AM

[sand spade]

still 4 weks before you can get it though? xD

[open verge]

Rival is 1,8k

[sand spade]

Thanks

[clear pulsar]

If you odn't buy anything else at all

[open verge]

Perhaps it's better to fish it out of vault

[sand spade]

I am betting that majority of my gear for PvP will come from PvE

Might be best to just get conquest trinkets haha

[placid mirage]

any balance druid strem?

[exotic elbow]

Is that was you use, @open verge ?

I should also try running the defensive conduits, that might help as well...

I haven’t tried yet, but can you change conduits in arena without spending the points?

[placid mirage]

only mage and rogue pvp strem

[clear pulsar]

You can swap from one soulbind to the other

You can't change conduits outside the forge

[exotic elbow]

Cool, thanks @clear pulsar

[rigid linden]

@sand spade dont buy conquest trinkets until u find out for a fact that the pve ones suck

even if theyre nerfed by 50%

still like 5k insta damage

[sand spade]

Basically, save up for a few weeks until we know what we are doing?

[rigid linden]

what spec r u

like i guess u gotta just save up

cause who knows what ull get from the vault

maybe after like week 2-3 u can buya piece?

idk

[glacial sun]

Haven't played yet druid in SL, just want to ask is night fae spell ability viable for boomie in pvp? Seems like super funny

[outer tapir]

Aren't the raid ones basically doomed to suck with the 50% reduction?

[hoary ledge]

Tru

[chrome panther]

Dreadfire vessel will be the new drest for rogues if it isn't nerfed again. 10k tool tip nerfed by 60%, but 100% crit chance front master assassin legendary, and all the absurd % damage buffs rogue can stack. We're in for a fun season lads 👍

[weary valley]

Try to partner with a class that counters rogues the most would maybe be best?

[tall rapids]

yo kyrian ferals in pvp do you empower bond with someone or just bond yourself?

[forest moss]

depends on comp really

bonding yourself has it's benefits too

[tall rapids]

bgs?

[rigid linden]

bgs urself

always

[tall rapids]

yea cant find the person all the time

i get that for sure

[runic loom]

what covenant ppl going for rdruid in pvp?

[west basin]

so for Balance pvp legendaries, which ones yall gonna craft? Gotta wait for castle for the Circle Legendary.

[weary valley]

How difficult is it to get glad in ranked?

True.. is it for 3v3 only?

[sage ridge]

Just hit a 17535 starsurge in a skirm

dont tell blizzard

skyfury totem

[wooden basalt]

which second trinket to get for resto?? Battlemaster or on use?

[rigid linden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/k3gh17/these_are_the_honor_costs_to_upgrade_honor_gear/

[clear pulsar]

@rigid linden

The conquest items cost the same amount as the honor items

I would imagine that each upgrade costs the same also

But maybe it's a bit more

[hoary ledge]

Should we save for helm chest pants or go for trinkets?

[clear pulsar]

I'm gonna save for weapon probably

If I get one from vault then I buy other things

[rigid linden]

yeah

could be the move

The thing is does the Pvp row give u options of just PVP gear

in the great vault

or all gear

:S

[hoary ledge]

Yeah good call

[novel sky]

Pvp row is only pvp rewards

[iron tulip]

what does go in bgs? twin moons or stellar?

balance*

[unique forge]

How much does Ilvl matter these days?

and forget about 2nd stats?

like, right now i have the option between haste/verse 156 ilvl or 171 verse/crit

and for resto pvp i understand that haste/vers is bis

[shadow dagger]

why does the wowhead guide say to use thrash in our opener

for pvp feral frenzy

[unique forge]

Bleeds?

[raw panther]

hey i want to make sure i read this right

if i dont TOUCH rated arenas

for the first 4 weeks

and on the 5th week i start doing them

can I get 550x4

for the weeks I missed, pluis anohter 550 for the 5th week

of conquest ?

[hoary ledge]

Yes!

[raw panther]

wow

that is by far

BY FAR

the easiest way to get 226 gera

gear*

jesus

[hoary ledge]

Yeah pretty hype

[unique forge]

gatta get duelist first 😉

[raw panther]

dueling is what rating?

i thought its rival

for 226 gear

[unique forge]

na. i think rival is 190 something?

er... 1800 is200

2100 is 226

[hoary ledge]

Rival is 220

[hollow junco]

unrated is 200 lmao

[raw panther]

is it capped at 2.1k?

or is there 2400 gear?

[hollow junco]

Yes 2.1k for top pvp gear

[little flicker]

anyone else feel like resto just can’t keep people up rn?

[raw panther]

yerah

lol

i pop tree

right away

[shadow dagger]

youre better off doing it every week

[raw panther]

and all my cd'si

right away

[shadow dagger]

or you wont get anything from the vault

[unique forge]

I think as people get more geared the burst won't be so crazy

[little flicker]

im a 2400 player that just Simply Cant

[shadow dagger]

does it get easier to get gladiator the longer a season goes on?

[little flicker]

people getting globalled

yeah

[raw panther]

but

isnt vers

more dmg reduc and more dmg?

[little flicker]

yeah

[raw panther]

so it almost offsets

but more stam tho

[little flicker]

still

i hope

this is insane rn

[hoary ledge]

Did plaguefall today.. no drop

[unique forge]

whispers of nerfs tomorrow

[little flicker]

is there a healer pvp tier list?

[raw panther]

what kind of endurance conduits are there

[shadow dagger]

that one defensive conduit which casts frenzied regen is so good for pvp i bet

yea

that one

[unique forge]

^^ that's what i run right now

[shadow dagger]

where do you get the frenzied one

[hoary ledge]

Plaguefall first boss

I got the crit dagger instead xD

[tiny oar]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=319748/shadowlands-hotfixes-for-december-7-2020-pvp-ability-tuning-class-and-legendary-?webhook

Ret sub mm nerfs

[regal granite]

what are people saying is the go to legendary rn for resto pvp?

[shadow dagger]

good

all 3 deserved those nerfs

[tiny oar]

Verdant infusion swiftmend extends hots for 3s / 2s healing, prolly either circle or draught for 2s dam @regal granite

[chrome panther]

Oath is good for 2s also.

[tiny oar]

I think that's prolly gonna be really unreliable to proc when u actually want it unless u do some wack ass shifting

Like warr charge bolts ur at 50% shift travel> hamstring >shift cat oops there goes ur proc wasted cuz ur getting slaughtered with dam and cant get any use on its uptime

[regal granite]

thanks a lot guys

Yeah verdant infusion is the one that DOESNT consume a hot right

[tiny oar]

Draught is much more convenient 3 globals to apply all effects in n out can have perma uptime on all 3 p much

[chrome panther]

so instead you shift bear and become invulnerable for 10 seconds during warriors unpeelable burst anyways

[tiny oar]

Ur like already immortal vs warrs tho u just shift away

[muted niche]

feral arena, opener, what should it look like?

[regal granite]

and if were pvpers, are we wanting to build a legendary rn?

or waiting till mythic week like other players

[chrome panther]

none of our current legendaries matter much for pvp.

wait till verdant.

[regal granite]

oh i havent even looked up drop location yet, assuming raid haha

[chrome panther]

world boss.

[tiny oar]

World boss for the memory ain't up yet anyways @regal granite and it makes swiftmend not consume a hot ya

[chrome panther]

So between tommorow and 4 weeks from now

[rigid linden]

BOIS

we PASSED THE FIRST TURNING

[tiny oar]

🙏

[small storm]

[rigid linden]

WERE SAFE

[tiny oar]

Convoke is back on the menu bois

Unless ur a kyrian simp

[shadow dagger]

convoke is fair and balanced

just interrupt it 4head

[regal granite]

cant you los it

as well

[tiny oar]

Ya

U can wild charge during convoke tho

[chrome panther]

all hail your arms warrior overlords

[novel sky]

sub rogues on suicide watch

[cerulean token]

What is our stat priority? I find so much conflicting info online

[chrome panther]

3 different pvp specs, 3 different stat priorities.

resto - haste = vers > mast >>>>>>>>> crit

feral - vers > mast > crit > haste

balance - bruh idk get boat and press starsurge

[cerulean token]

Oh yeah sorry, for feral

[tiny oar]

Think I remember them being resto from other questions in which case its vers >haste=mast>>>>crit

Oh yea see above then

[tiny oar]

Cant wait for 20% haste man my clones are so fucking slow its unreal

[chrome steppe]

THE NERFS WE ALL NEEDED

LETS GO BOYS

FUCK HUNTERS FUCK ROGUES

[tiny oar]

[chrome panther]

doesn't really slow down rogues that much 🤷

[chrome steppe]

30% to their 1 shot

is huge

[chrome panther]

hunters and ret though

its like

[chrome steppe]

wait till we are full geared and our health pool is 30-35k

[chrome panther]

2k off echoing

oh yeah just suffer for 6 weeks until full gear

RIGHT

[chrome steppe]

and everyone has full vers x sets

LOL

facts

[chrome panther]

im sure we'll see more tuning next week

[hoary ledge]

Super stoked about avoiding the first wave hotfix

time to zug zug

[cosmic karma]

Ferals which cov did you go with ? I love convoke but I feel like the survivability of Necrolords is huge.

[hearty ice]

Convoke is so good in 2s and BGs rn it’s unreal

[tiny oar]

Most top ferals going kyrian @cosmic karma

[cerulean token]

ty for the info

[tiny oar]

Unless ur a mad lad like formy

[cosmic karma]

Interdasting

[dark tundra]

Doesn’t convoke just get kicked and you’re screwed?

[cosmic karma]

I feel like more people are catching onto Convoke, I notice it gets interrupted fairly often now

yeah a kick or stun and its gone

[dark tundra]

I’m pretty sure it’s pretty bad in pvp

Kyrian the way to go I think

[tiny oar]

There will be times where you can get one off guaranteed just have to be aware of them

[analog harness]

is there no conq weps? the vendor doesn't have any lol but ions blue post says when u have the conq u can buy it?

[chrome panther]

so thats why you hold convoke until they cant stop it

[patent cradle]

we avoided the convoke nerfs

one more patch

[cobalt mauve]

What do I do when the ret hits me for 29,200 damage in 1.9 seconds through bark?

[tiny oar]

But yea its definitely easier to just be kyrian and zug zug every minute

[dark tundra]

Eh Kyrian a better choice imo

[chrome panther]

obviously

doesn't mean you can't make convoke work

[patent cradle]

kyrian isn't the one being complained about though

because it's a bit more subtle

[lime light]

still waiting for convoke nerf

[dark tundra]

I mean I could walk to work every day I don’t see why I would if I have a car though

Obviously

[cobalt mauve]

convoke nerf will be in bite/starsurge tuning imo

they'll lower those, buff dots

across the board

[analog harness]

convoke won't get nerfed because it's too easily stopped lol and requires actual setup vs anyone above 10iq

[chrome panther]

yeah good take frosty

nf over kyr is like walking to work over driving a car

[plain crane]

convoke, im disappointed in all of you...

[patent cradle]

if they nerf convoke they'll reduce the procs

like they did with resto

100%

[chrome panther]

imagine thinking an ability on a 2 minute CD, that if able to channel for 4 seconds is pretty much a guaranteed kill, is THAT much worse than kyrian

[analog harness]

resto was dps abusing it and out dpsing dps 😄

[dark tundra]

Lol you seem mad

Calm down bub

[patent cradle]

outbursting dps*

i want bite and shred back on resto qq

[chrome panther]

gl hf in season bun bun

[plain crane]

some feral tried convoking me and i just incap'd him and i was like well that was underwhelming

then i ate a snack

but in real news, why are people saying circle is best legendary i dont see how dot damage matters in this meta?? am i blind?

[analog harness]

true true but healer shouldn't outburst dps period 😄 yeah convoke is so easily stopped if someones using off full dr its lolz

[dark tundra]

Pretty cringe

Anyways

[patent cradle]

if the feral isnt brain dead they wont use it right away

you can also offheal really well with ti

[chrome panther]

super cringe

[dark tundra]

At least you k ow

[patent cradle]

get a room you two

[small storm]

imagine blizz took an actual look at feral and made this adjustment

never will happen

[plain crane]

yall hawt, now some1 with a BIG BRAIN answer my question

[chrome panther]

feral having strong bleeds again and not just bite spam? imagine

[plain crane]

why the fk would we make circle of life and death > timeworn?

for boomer

dafuq we need dot dmg for

[chrome panther]

if you want to play rot comp over SS meme

[tiny oar]

If ur playing a rot comp sp boomer aff boom etc

[chrome panther]

circle WAY outperforms everything else in rot based comps

[patent cradle]

yeah i can't wait to get that one

[analog harness]

Arena's are lasting 10s doubt rot anything will be viable

[chrome panther]

the dots feel so weak, idk if circle really does much

[analog harness]

no drest nerf is pepega

[chrome panther]

actually though, how does drest sneak under the radar?

[analog harness]

trinket of sire isn't much better in fact worse rofl

10.5k fire on mythic 😄 LOL

[chrome panther]

sire trinket is nerfed by 60% in pvp also

drest literally IS better

[analog harness]

i did not know that, WOW looool fkin blizzzzz

meanwhile pikaboo is deleting ppl 10hrs a day -__-

[patent cradle]

in skirms

[tiny oar]

We'll get to the point with vers where ur just inting if ur not using pvp trinket set prolly

[chrome panther]

ahh yes, suffer for 6 weeks until we're in full vers gear

[analog harness]

theres no outplay to the burst unless u have a 100%wall like block/bub lol

[patent cradle]

im at 20% vers with only honor gear and the more hp you get the better vers is

[analog harness]

even garbo subs cut through me like butter during wall it's like K

[tiny oar]

The shit that needed nerfed got nerfed like just now so we'll see how shit looks tomorrow

Think it'll be fast but not 1 shot fast until we get more gear and defensive conduits

[patent cradle]

except arms warrior that one's still sleeper

[chrome panther]

TSG and walking dead are gonna be fun 🙂

[tiny oar]

Yea fuck whatever I was gonna play time to tsg it up

[analog harness]

so serious question do we only get conq weps from vault / wins ?

none on vendor?

cuz.. this makes no sense

[tiny bluff]

That requirement gets removed

[analog harness]

yeah there is NO wep on conq vendor tho so buy it from?

[tiny bluff]

It’s bugged I think. Some classes see weapons on vendor, others don’t

[lime light]

apes

[tiny bluff]

Druid for example doesn’t for some reason

[lime light]

its a bug

[analog harness]

[mortal arch]

Opinions on Feral Druid Legendary for pvp?

[jaunty obsidian]

is having the 2 set bonus from pvp trinkets not most beneficial?

[analog harness]

not for me maybe a patch went through

[lime light]

@vestal citrus can u craft some gear from proffesion like in bfa?

[analog harness]

lemme relog n see

[lime light]

so proffesion is almost useless

[tiny oar]

U can make 151 armor but that's about it

[analog harness]

@vestal citrus 100% still not showing 😄

that's so weird it's w.e tho won't have the pnts anyways until they fix it hopefully.

yep month out zzz

[novel sky]

imagine being lucky

[lime light]

i will

[tiny oar]

Yea tian absolutely will

To the zug zugers go the spoils

[lime light]

monkaS

[wheat terrace]

Am i the only one that loves the bursty iteration of feral? I see many people asking to buff bleeds, i remember in 3s it was a huge pressure lose if we didn't keep up rip/rake on 3 targets constantly. Its not exactly riveting gameplay. Coordinating CC with burst windows without the incessant need to keep 100% bleed uptime is way more fun. Ferals shouldnt be defined by bleeds but i do love the idea of having certain talents/conduits/legendaries pointing people in that direction should they choose

We also have more flexibility with teams rather than being pigeon-ed into rot comps

[cobalt mauve]

I'm happy enough with it. I cast convoke near a 20% health lock and 50% DK just a moment ago. Shouted in comms "CONVOKE DO SOMETHING" then it spammed bite and executed both of them. Best moments.

[wheat terrace]

You can only buff rip so much before a aura reduction will need to be applied to primal wrath

[balmy sparrow]

@vestal citrus if im Qing something like Owlplay or WW boomy and q into a rogue team do you think I should just start in bear instead of stealth?

[clear pulsar]

Treants!???

[lime light]

AHH BOI

so the souls in a torgasts

arent useless

🤡

[clear pulsar]

That's not true. A target cap could be applied instead.

Or whatever it is they want to accomplish

Energy cost increase

Many ways to make Primal Wrath less efficient

[coral parrot]

will pvp gear be viable in pve? for instance, occasional raiding?

mainly asking for disci priest but a general answer is appreciated

[clear pulsar]

There is no discernible difference between pve or pvp gear

THey all work the same in all content

All gear on the pvp vendor have versa, that's the only particular characteristic

You can get gear from pvp that is at similar item levels to what you would get in pve

[coral parrot]

great, thanks 🙂

[fleet raven]

Glyph makes video, Kyrian nutty in pvp...Tettles makes video, Kyrian nutty in pve...my NF convoke life is crashing down around me, and I’m super sad 😦

[clear pulsar]

Don't be sad friend

We all simps for the winter simp queen

It's all good

[fleet raven]

Idk what I would be more sad about. Losing my incarn/trinket/convoke macro...or all the f’ing anima I put into my sanctuary already lmao

[flint flower]

whats the best covenant

[devout frost]

for what spec

[flint flower]

feral

[devout frost]

kyrian

[flint flower]

and boomy?

[devout frost]

kyrian

for feral nf can work but it relies more on mindgames than actually getting to use the ability

[fleet raven]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-crying-tears-broken-gif-15062040

Headed to oribos

[clear pulsar]

Don't do it

[fleet raven]

It’s been a good run NF

[clear pulsar]

DO NOT DO IT

If you do it then I'll have to do it too

[fleet raven]

good bye one shot swifty macro

Now I have to learn to play outside one button

[clear pulsar]

[tiny oar]

[clear pulsar]

Yall excited for this 8h maintenance?

[wooden silo]

What’s so amazing about Kyrian for Feral in pvp?

[fleet raven]

Nope, lmao. I’m even less excited for my vacation from the 11th to the 19th

That’s how you know I’m addicted

[clear pulsar]

It's like, just damage

With no counters

All the other covenants are kinda meme

[devout frost]

@wooden silo its consistent dmg increase

[clear pulsar]

Dispelable/interruptible/venthyr i dont even have to say anything

[devout frost]

that you have full control off

[wooden silo]

So, we’re basically talking the Arena meta

[clear pulsar]

More so in bgs/rbgs really

[devout frost]

for rbg it also gives u defensive options

since u bidn someone else then

[clear pulsar]

Eh doubt

Idk

Could be

I doubt you will tho

Kyrian's basically just a solid strong 30% dmg increase

On a short cd

[wooden silo]

Kyrian is still the +10% for 10 sec, 1 min CD, right?

[clear pulsar]

It's 15% if you bind yourself, and one of the soulbinds gives you 20% mastery

[wooden silo]

K

[clear pulsar]

So overall a 30-35% dmg increase depending on ur base mastery

For 10s every minute

[wooden silo]

Yeah, Kyrian is definitely competitive

[clear pulsar]

Throw in the badge and then you have 45% inc damage

It's not just competitive

It's the most reliable by a mile

And also best in many situations in pve

[wooden silo]

But not as fun 🤩

[clear pulsar]

FACTS

I'm night fae u dont gotta tell me that

[fleet raven]

yea i cant just come from kitty form stealth, and one shot someone in WPVP anymore

I actually have to like...press buttons

gross

[wooden silo]

About the legendary - Eye of Symmetry for PvP?

[tardy hare]

Yes

[wooden silo]

🙏

[fleet raven]

Half way to Exalted with The Wild Hunt, have to still go back and farm for the mount...awk.

[tiny oar]

The fuck lol

Some of u guys r so sweaty its wild

P sure I'm like barely honored

[clear pulsar]

@fleet raven is kyrian spell on global?

[fleet raven]

Uhh idk still doin the initation stuff.

Good question

I know nothing about these Avatar blue boys

[west basin]

Fuck that is what is gonna suck for sure with the swap... my metric ton of anima

[rigid linden]

Bruh

Just stay Night fae

Unless ur a rank 1 god

it wont matter much

[wooden silo]

Did

Idd

[fleet raven]

ngl tho, the Kyrian entrance ceremony is kinda lit

[open verge]

So, subs for ez glad S1 it seems

Barely got touched

[rigid linden]

Personally i find sub so easy to verse man

they stun ur healer on looks like they want to doa go, bear form

done

Instead of assass BFA

just fkn kidney off cd

[tiny oar]

Still waiting for pve tuning also

[rigid linden]

no cc

[winter spindle]

Pvp nerfs are up on mmo champ

[west basin]

Oh i am faithful to the Queen for sure. My monk is my Kyrian simp.

[rigid linden]

Yeah my sub rogue is my kyrian simp too hehe

[open verge]

Yeah I'm hoping for dmg nerfs in pve too

[south nacelle]

Hi, new here. I went necrolord after reading/watching some youtube videos on restodruid pvp in shadowlands. See you guys talking about kyrian a lot. Am I fucked or is it not that bad?

[forest kite]

necro is the best for resto

in pvp

but only pvp

[south nacelle]

oof, thank god

[forest kite]

its bad in every other aspec

[stone nest]

Doesn’t look like they nerfed anything too bad. I’m glad they didn’t over do it.

[forest kite]

aspect

[south nacelle]

Yeah i only want to pvp anyway so fine with that

[forest kite]

ye you're fine then

[south nacelle]

Got a little worried that i had to switch fucking covenants xd

[forest kite]

na dude i was the same

but im playing boomie/resto

in m+ rbgs arena and raiding

[wooden silo]

But yeah, Kindred Spirits+Eye of Symmetry+Tiger’s Fury+Feral Frenzy+trinket = a LOT of damage once a minute

[forest kite]

so nightfae is insane

got the RP title and everything atm

[open verge]

Nf boomie? :/

[wooden silo]

Living the nelf Druid dream

[south nacelle]

Nice man

Yeah necro is probably shit if i want to do boomie

So i guess i am all in on resto

[forest kite]

@open verge i play resto/boomie plus i do every part of wow atm

nightfae gives me the most worth

in all aspects

plus who doesnt like using convoke

[fleet raven]

Bro RIP my 3.7k Anima in my reservoir

Moment of silence

[open verge]

What happemed

[forest kite]

xD

you should of brought the backpack before

[clear pulsar]

I don't buy into this line of thinking

[forest kite]

dude

[open verge]

You rerolled

[clear pulsar]

I think it's a bit weird

But I agree

Stay night fae

[fleet raven]

Yea I rerolled Kyrian

[clear pulsar]

STAY NIGHT FAE BRO I TOLD YOU

[fleet raven]

They couldn't of like...given me some for the road...damn

[clear pulsar]

Also I'm saving up all my anima to buy cosmetics

[fleet raven]

[west basin]

Poor one for that dudes Anima resoivor

[clear pulsar]

Fuck them covenant hall shits

[forest kite]

@clear pulsar same xD

[open verge]

There's really nothing good out of the cov

Besides ash from command table I guess?

[clear pulsar]

Yeah basically

ANd cosmetics

The conservatory and all those things give some nice mogs and mounts too but like

I'm an immediatist

[west basin]

And anima missione for lazy people like me

[forest kite]

i want the butterflies 😦

[clear pulsar]

So I'm saving everything to buy backpacks/fairylookingwings/soulshape forms

[fleet raven]

Yea, I mean I unlocked all 4 of the upgrades, first tier....that isn't too sad for me...the saved up anima for cosmetics makes me sad 😦

Yea the bulbs are dope

[forest kite]

i also want the cat form from the 99% hit rare geezer

killed him 3x

[fleet raven]

@clear pulsar yo, the potions you get arent on GCD, the owl boy summon is tho

[clear pulsar]

Motherfucker I meant the empowerment

[fleet raven]

oh

[clear pulsar]

LOL

[fleet raven]

well, sheeet

[brisk pumice]

So what Legendery did you all end up crafting for your Boomkin?

[fleet raven]

It isn't either

[forest kite]

pulsar

[clear pulsar]

Ok that's nice at least

[fleet raven]

pulsar, cause I'm an impatient ass

[forest kite]

balance will get nerfed

its simming too high atm

[clear pulsar]

Big boy burst all off global
TF Kyrian Badge

[forest kite]

balance of power*

[clear pulsar]

I don't think they'll do much legendary tuning

[sand spade]

Did you keep any Anima in your bag?
Do you get catch-up mechanic for companions?

[forest kite]

its saying balance of power is simming best for m+

but with all the movement

[sand spade]

All buildings cost the same or are they discounted?

[forest kite]

i cant see that being the

acutal best

[clear pulsar]

All the legendaries kinda rely on uptime tho

[fleet raven]

Well, I would test if you get companions and catch up, but uhh....It's 500 anima to get the table up and running...and the NF left me with lint in my pocket

[clear pulsar]

Like

To get full value

[sand spade]

@clear pulsar How do you feel after the swap?

[forest kite]

@clear pulsar exactly

[sand spade]

Oh wait, who swapped haha

[forest kite]

and there is some

janky shit you can do with pulsar

to make you get 32 sec of CA

with no loss on empowerment

been doing 7k ST in m+

[clear pulsar]

What I mean is basically this: all legendaries are consistent effects that if you aren't freecasting, you lose some value of. There are some legendaries for other specs/classes that are just tied to specific cds, so if you do nothing in between, the legendary's added damage will still be all there

[sand spade]

I plan to change after raid on Wed, Kyrian FTW

[clear pulsar]

So I don't think they'll nerf boat

Specifically

[sand spade]

Need Convoke

[clear pulsar]

I think they may nerf boomie but also doubt

[sand spade]

Nerf*

[clear pulsar]

I'm never swapping kyrian they're fucken fascists

[sand spade]

Haha

I spent 3 days caring for a pod on NF and they gave me 8 herbs...

[clear pulsar]

All the covenants have something like that

They're diff flavors

For same rewards

Until you unlock rank 3 of the specific sanctum place

You'll only get mats

[sand spade]

I was kidding, but still funny for 3 day CD xD

[clear pulsar]

Yeah I'm just saving my wildseeds tbh

[fleet raven]

Okay so it was one quest to get Pelagos, a turn in and a little RP scene. But I have only 2 Renown have to catch up with that...

[runic valve]

so hows feral in arena? and is night fae optimal?

[wooden silo]

I just sat still and watched that seed for the whole duration

[clear pulsar]

I think you can do dungeons for that catch up yeah?

[sand spade]

Renown catch-up can be done in 1 day?

[clear pulsar]

Kyrian is what large majority of people who do arena with some seriousness are going

Night fae is popular for the meme/flavor/RP/fun

[outer tapir]

I'd say the threat of convoke is really good too, but for pushing higher I can see kyrian being better.

[fleet raven]

BRUH the catch up dungeon quest....is A Call to Ardenweald, we must help the NF

[clear pulsar]

Get fukt

[runic valve]

ah damn

[west basin]

Blizzard is fucking hilarious lol

[clear pulsar]

Yeah Night Fae isn't unplayable, it's definitely got some use. But it's gimmicky, that's all.

[runic valve]

what about for arena resto?

[fleet raven]

You think Ret / Boomy for 2's is gonna slap? With Kyrian now...I know 2's is subjective but...

[outer tapir]

More usable in 2's then 3's if you have a healer partner. They won't save their interrupts for you

Sorry that was not a reply to you, but about feral NF xD

[clear pulsar]

For resto most people are taking necrolord afaik @runic valve

[clear pulsar]

If they don't nerf hybrid offhealing

I think it'll be nasty

Yeah

[clear pulsar]

Well yeah in 2s you can basically cross cc both enemies alone

[runic valve]

seems like i fked up my cov then xD

[clear pulsar]

Bash into clone off target, maim into convoke

[runic valve]

i thought night fae was the way to go

[sand spade]

Either can work

[clear pulsar]

It's a good inbetween choice if you play multiple specs and pve as well as pvp

[stone nest]

I like night fae for arenas. Obviously it can get interrupted but I’ve been getting it off a good chunk of the time.

Mostly for burst windows

[clear pulsar]

Night fae is absolutely gigantic for resto in pve
Also bis single target for dps specs.

[outer tapir]

It gives you a threat they can't ignore. But against good teams kyrians defensive value is a little better

[sand spade]

People are predicting less value from convoke higher up in rating though

[clear pulsar]

They can predict whatever they want

I killed triple rank 1 team with it

And I'll die on my hill

[stone nest]

Convoke is fun. Necro IMO is less fun.

[outer tapir]

It's fun as hell and you can swap targets while using it if a better one opens up

[clear pulsar]

Necro is super strong single target healing especially if you play sotf

[stone nest]

It’s also a oh shit heal

[clear pulsar]

It's an oh shit heal that gets you kicked in nature

[outer tapir]

I've also found leaping onto someone else that's farther away during it works and doesn't break it

Not sure if a bug or not though

[stone nest]

I mean the only time I use it as a heal is when someone is getting focused and burst and I’m not being targeted, swiftmend is on cd as well as nature swiftness.

[clear pulsar]

It's legit only wild charge that you can use rn

But other channeled spells have let you use spells during it in the past

Fel barrage used to in Legion

So I wouldn't think it's a bug

[outer tapir]

Generally there is specification on the text though. Seems weird to me that that specific spell can be used

[fleet raven]

The potion not being on GCD might be kinda nutty for restealths. which is cool, will blend into a macro nicely

[outer tapir]

Less a bug and more of a beautiful oversight? I dunno.

[devout frost]

its either bugged for feral or for other specs

similarly how furry leap took you out of cat/bear form before but not boomie

[open verge]

well it still does take you out

unless you use a spell which can be used outside of cat

[devout frost]

so using a spell u cant use in cat form puts u in cat form?

[open verge]

because in soulshape you cant use rake/shred etc since you're not in cat.. so you have to use something that doesnt have this requirement like berzerk or TF

[devout frost]

you can just cancel soulshape, no?

[lime light]

100% this

[clear pulsar]

I almost want them to nerf night fae

Even tho it's kinda silly when other shit's so much more problematic in arena

[open verge]

not sure if troll @lime light

[clear pulsar]

I really wanna justify going necrolord to myself bro

Wish it was playable in pve

[open verge]

do you like them thematically or

[clear pulsar]

Well I want to play moonfire

[open verge]

its shit dmg tho

[clear pulsar]

As you could tell by my name

Circle + Necrolord LI FF sims like minimally lower than sbt bt

In single target

But it just doesn't scale to aoe

Makes me very sad

[open verge]

ooh as feral lul

[clear pulsar]

Bruh I'd never in my life touch boomie

Necro also nasty for healing in pvp

Like straight fat heal buff

[lime light]

How is IT troll

[sand spade]

Who gonna tell them we can 5xSS? :S

[open verge]

some are serious overreactions

[sand spade]

I am kinda hoping Warr spear stays.
Spear + WW + Beam + Kyrian FoE SS spam, what healer survives that?

[open verge]

even without boomie its gg

[sand spade]

Haha

[open verge]

yeah I cant wait to see actual comps pushing ridiculous stuff to its limits...

[sand spade]

Yeah, slot of changes will happen for sure

Stuff blizz just hasn't seen/tested

[open verge]

and since there was like 0 pvp testing done on beta

due to pve trinkets

[fathom flame]

ralph pls go

[open verge]

no

[sacred wing]

anyone picked a legendary yet for resto PvP?

[tiny oar]

Verdant infusion the world boss ain't up yet tho

[hollow cypress]

Ok guys just got back after a long break (end of wotlk)

Playing druid Resto PvP but also want to do some mythic plus.

What professions would you recommend.

What legendary and covenant ( hopefully some that's ok in both but still want to was optimal for each)

Been trying to find the info but I can't. MMO champion dead.

[sand spade]

I believe proffs don't matter.

Not sure on legendary tbh (maybe double LB?), think it's NF or Necro for Resto PvP?

[dusty sphinx]

Dark Titans for M+, probably verdant infusion for pvp?
Proffs doesn't matter at all anymore

@hollow cypress Check the pins in #resto for m+ info. I don't think there's any decent resource for resto pvp anywhere tbh

[tiny oar]

Wormhole is lit for slands teleports but other than that doesn't rly matter ya, those leggos nil said r fine, covenants atm are necro for pvp n night fae for anything resto pve @hollow cypress

[fleet raven]

@hollow cypress 3 weeks into xpac, a lot of the professions have settled in terms of money making, however, now Alchemy is ramping up, and enchanting has just been good all around...I would recommend Herbalism / Alch.

[sudden blade]

are you guys stacking crit or mastery after versa?

feral here

[forest kite]

so, kyrian the play for feral pvp (arena mostly)?

[tiny oar]

This is a good guide to get started with @hollow cypress
https://youtu.be/4TnR5Eqm0GE

[devout frost]

@sudden blade crit is bad

[tiny oar]

Versa > mast > crit > haste is what most ferals r going for ya just try to get vers mast everything p much

Kyrian is the more consistent play ya @forest kite

[open verge]

I don't think crit is still that bad after the buff to 175%

[south nacelle]

What would be the best for restodruid? I got heroic legging with more mastery on them or tier 3 pvp leggings with more vers

[clear pulsar]

Issue with stacking crit is that if you're good, you'll crit all the bites you need to win the game anyway

[open verge]

[clear pulsar]

[sand spade]

If crit is good, should we use BOAT over Dream for Boomy?

[clear pulsar]

No

Just gameplay wise BoaT will only ever give you real value on incarn use

[sand spade]

Yeah, makes sense

[forest kite]

@tiny oar ty 🙂

should i switch to kyrian from night fae.. but i dont wanna level renown again.. ><

[open verge]

I wouldn't

[flat lark]

so you say timeworn dreambinder for balance in pvp?

[tiny oar]

I'll b swapping to necro this week so I'll let u no how it goes lol, supposedly it's pretty easy to catch up on renown though

[clear pulsar]

@queen copper them mods might have a heart attack if we keep it in balance

God forbid

Anyway

Yeah it breaks but it could be nice little setup ykno, against stuff like rsham for instance that could shear or ground clone

[surreal heron]

always on the verge of a heart attack

[clear pulsar]

Charge in, incap roar, cyclone

[surreal heron]

i feel the toast smell

that's a stroke, nevermind

[clear pulsar]

I'm gonna toast you in the arena tomorrow mate

Big time

[silver cosmos]

There's a lot of guides and stuff on Arena but do people ever talk about BGs?

[clear pulsar]

There are only a few specific things that would be good in bgs and not in arena

And sometimes yeah they bring it up

Wowhead guides and skill capped guides may say something like for resto, the wild growth pvp talent is insane in bgs

But worthless in arena

Thing is, as organized 'competitive' game modes, arena's just way way more popular than rated bgs

For the last 3 years

[tiny oar]

Dont go towards the light @surreal heron we need u here to keep the goobers in line

[tardy hare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/212658070986162188/785831073421983794/unknown.png

[tiny oar]

BGs

[clear pulsar]

No it's that thing where you sit in stealth at farm all game to farm honor @vestal citrus

I sit in stealth in flag room

[open verge]

@tardy hare poor fotm rerollers lol

[silver cosmos]

I get that. Personally I just like doing BGs more than arena.. But I tend to stick to just normal bgs instead of rated

[tardy hare]

idk i literally always just run arena talents inr rbgs

[clear pulsar]

And convoke whenever someone picks up flag

You say ethical

But then kyrian is a 40% dmg buff

[queen copper]

Rbgs are fun

[hasty ridge]

40%?

[queen copper]

Too hard to organise now though

[clear pulsar]

Between pelagos, the 15% self buff, badge if you line it up

[queen copper]

Normal bgs literally just do whatever

[devout frost]

Damn didnt know badge was kyrian only

[queen copper]

This 100% lol

[clear pulsar]

Just take away that 1. you can make a lot of fun choices work cuz a lot of people in bgs will be undergeared and new to their specs, 2. most likely whatever works in arena will be best in bgs too

[tiny oar]

Ya I've heard the rbg crowd is juicy fucking gossip lol

[clear pulsar]

You mean you don't like twitter shitposting and exposing one another for being more degenerate pedos than the next person?

How dare you

[tardy hare]

if you want to be in a RBG group you have to bring atleast 1 egirl with you

[tiny oar]

6 dudes out simping over the 1 egirl in the group god what a nightmare

[hasty ridge]

i just ignore rbg is a thing

[tardy hare]

RBG players are full on delusional

iodk man

RBg players are crazy

actually crazy

[clear pulsar]

Wallirik and those guys too

Honestly the money must be worth it

That's all

Yeah but then you like, gotta try to be good at wow

Bit of a yikes

Just you wait tho ima be the highest rated night fae feral

[tardy hare]

not if im around

[clear pulsar]

Syfox's alt is night fae

[devout frost]

At that point you’d make more money just running bot scripts in RuneScape

[clear pulsar]

Main is kyrian

Wtf does warrior nf even do?

[tardy hare]

i am debating if

will see the light

this expansion

wtf

thats wild tabard

[devout frost]

Its a knockdown that gives you rage over time for every Target it knocked down @clear pulsar

[tardy hare]

warmongering tabardd

only tabard

[devout frost]

Imagine playing nelf

[tardy hare]

thanks

frick

im running demonic tabard into warmongering

[tiny oar]

[tardy hare]

cause i dont have actual warmongering on my main druid now

my alt druid has the warmongering tabard

[clear pulsar]

Like the overwatch big dude charge in and knock shit down!?

[tardy hare]

F

[clear pulsar]

I've never seen anyone with that

Yeah he was streaming a bunch last week

It was just

MM feral

Win on opener

[devout frost]

@clear pulsar yeah but it does no damage and is ineffective to use ST compared to kurian

[clear pulsar]

Is axtin nf on main tho?

Ima ask him sometime

[tardy hare]

dude i cant wait for season to start man

boys

[clear pulsar]

Ykno you can wild charge during convoke?

It's kinda nice

[tardy hare]

i need opinion

muscularman

or speedlord

which one gets to see the light

[clear pulsar]

Speedlord all day erday

[tiny oar]

Speedlord zug zug baby

[clear pulsar]

Speedlord spear go brrr

[tardy hare]

log in

weakaura still on

[devout frost]

Myschylärmen

[tardy hare]

fuck sake i didnt log in to speedlord for some reason yet

no rested exp

back to offline

[clear pulsar]

I think I'll level my warr too

Don't want more than one alt

Idk what to pick

Torn between warr and priest

[tardy hare]

i want 141234 alts

i just dont want to level

: (

[clear pulsar]

Yeah hate leveling

DH is trash rn ye?