Sounds like dps were just bad
#pvp
hybrid sluice
sturdy agate
@clear pulsar post vod , i ahve same issue
i wouldnt trust a melee cleave in pugs tbh
sturdy agate
doesnt take much finesse and with a dbl melee it'd be a tunnelfest
sturdy agate
@sturdy agate post vod
wait 
i play with spriest so we have more options for finesse 😄
sturdy agate
so do we use 3 gcd's and a dream to keep swapping lifeblooms if the enemy swap? or do we put on one LB , rejuv, etcetc
cunning lance
Is revitalize good v melee cleave?
west oasis
yes
@sturdy agate it probably doesn't matter too much in which the order of hots go
it somewhat mattered in legion
where you wanted to stack as many hots efficiently
then put lifebloom
but nowadays
it's more about getting the best sotf regrowth pump out
west oasis
ye
cunning lance
So youre saying swiftmend regrowth swiftmend regrowth?
west oasis
if most of your hots are present yeah
cunning lance
Im only at 1800 rating but i find nourish works well often
west oasis
most of the time, that will be your big burst of healing for targets that dip low
cunning lance
Not that many interupts
west oasis
if you're playing MLD, and you're versus a melee cleave
nourish is fine because you can pump that thing into the person being trained
then once their cds are over
you just re-coup the mana via drinks
while your teammates cc the melees off of them/you
west oasis
yeah MLD is notorious for this atm
west oasis
more so frost, but yeah fire works too
sturdy agate
is skill cap a meme cause im tryin to analyze this video , ive played it about 4 times already
west oasis
it shouldn't be
i'm watcing it now
nothing is wrong about it so far
are you wondering about the lifebloom part?
sturdy agate
its why i put the question up , but its less important than in legion so its 👌🏿
im watching some swifty videos lol
west oasis
in that situation it makes sense to keep swapping lifeblooms first
sturdy agate
west oasis
since it's a feral
and put the lifebloom on yourself
but normally, yeah it doesn't matter too much
it's probably the best technical answer
cold rock
wicked torrent
Hello, in 2v2, do you use Thorns on cooldown or you are waiting for enemy to pop cd?
Thank you!
obtuse ice
Np
south heron
Why do I feel like my heals do nothing? In 2s my partner is constantly dying with double rejuv lifebloom grove tendingx3 and regrowth on them and i have 21% mastery
weary radish
Feral in BG's. Talents any diff from Arena?
clear pulsar
Not really
I liked playing primal wrath
Cuz you can rotate primal wrath and bite
To have many rips up and still get single target pressure
But idk if it was necessarily better
weary radish
Gotcha, thanks.
stray sigil
pw in bgs 🤢
celest oracle
@south heron what class are you playing with? Whats your tallents/ilvl?
And rating.
humble brook
Hi does the master shapeshifter pvp talent increase your dmg with non class abilities such as concentrated flame and vodoo doll when in catform?
hidden portal
for feral affinity, is the meta to ferocious bite after each combo point, or stack to 5 and wait for a big one
stray sigil
stack 5 pool 50 energy
hidden portal
bc i was watching people just shred, bite, shred, bite
stray sigil
dont see the value of that over a 5cb bite with 50 energy
@humble brook no it doesnt
humble brook
ok ty
west oasis
@south heron are you using sotf
and are you healing into big MS effects like Sharpened?
what about him/her, are they just standing there taking the damage?
in 2s, you really cant sit there and take all of their damage
especially since dampening starts earlier than 3s
obtuse ice
earlier, more like at the beggining of the arena
clear pulsar
AKA earlier
sturdy agate
is there a way to drink while stealthed as a NE? or am i missing something
meld is just got going ooc? or is there some finesse im missing
obtuse ice
Wut
blissful belfry
drinking will cancel your stealth, but stealthing wont cancel your drink
so you sit to drink in cat form and then you press stealth
blissful belfry
yeah, i said the same thing as you when i found out
wise valley
how are you boys doin
dusty lagoon
are there any guardian resources? I keep having people tell me guardian is great and i main it for m+ but cant really find anything about it
forest kite
wrong channel mate. and it's only average for m+ and raid
dusty lagoon
i meant for pvp
i know it is meh for pve
but i have heard it isnt bad for arena
i played resto for the past week and got to 1800 but i dont know that healing is for me
forest kite
problem with guardian, feral and affliction is the defensive traits
every class has resounding/impassive visage that negates the passive dmg
dusty lagoon
ty
forest kite
destro is stupid broken
500k hp i see lock with 200k soul leech 100k chaotic mastery 200k healthstone + 50k (?) death coil i want kill myself
round dome
what are you playing?
forest kite
me? i almost have every class. does not matter any class i want to kill myself vs destro lock
wispy wadi
2 fire mages is stupid
i used to have fun in pvp, now its bullshit
back to ignoring pvp like i have in the past 8 years 😄
clear pulsar
Won like 10 out of 12
Then lost like 10 out of 12
:(
@vestal citrus what do vs ele sham?
Prot feral
rigid linden
LOL
west oasis
yeah sounds like aids
kick/cs/grounding/purge and the rng
along with ghost wolf and pack spirit
i guess, the only thing you can do is kill all the totems as best you can
and get a fat cc-chain on the hpala
clear pulsar
@still magnet the piece of shit
The face of someone who's perplexed at the complexity and depth of guardian dk win conditions
still magnet
rofl
clear pulsar
Bdk is ass the fuck you mean
forest kite
wait for the next patch
still magnet
im a pvp beast @vestal citrus
vale knoll
in rbgs do i run the same set up as in arenas?
ahh resto
okay
hmmka ty
switcher good in pvp?
or just go visage
kk
obtuse ice
Disc/feral vs Rdrui rogue
round dome
is that a question @obtuse ice ?
obtuse ice
yuh
round dome
not really sure what you're asking
hollow flame
Dishonorable Kills: 1
leaden harbor
i started this season as resto pvp and got to 2k cr with an fire mage friend... but now we hit a wall we dont lose rating but we dont get more... we dont know what to do its really frustating.. maybe u got some tipps for the comp?
we survive really long vs all these melees but we never get to the point for a kill or get some preasure up..
weary radish
Two quick questions:
How much HP should I be aiming for on Feral?
At what ilvl is it "Reasonable" to start doing PVP decently.
weary radish
Gotcha. And by decently I more so mean start winning a few games.
Obviously sitting at 380 right now thats a bit difficult.
weary radish
You're not wrong ther.
obtuse ice
370 is like heroic Uldir
weary radish
I pretty much just got my Feral to 120 Yesterday. As AV gave a shit ton of exp. (I used to PVP on him the last two expansions.)
obtuse ice
yhea you need good gear to pvp
naive ocean
Does anyone know range for guardian Druid protector of the pack?
wise valley
dyne coming in here with the disrespect
wise valley
i thought mods were held to a higher standard of professionalism to be honest, a pedigree that meant something
but then i saw rhyme
clear pulsar
Tettles is literally a guardian dk player
No such thing as a standard for mods apparently
lime light
🐒
mighty river
Anyone still Guardian Druid in 3's? If so, what azerite essences are you running?
obtuse ice
aids
weary radish
I feel like as a Feral I have 0 HP in PVP compared to most.
I assume its because Im undergeared.
forest kite
hat ilvl?
weary radish
Sitting near 390-395~
forest kite
yes
obtuse ice
Feral is a lot based on preshotting stuns and burst of ennemies
That's how you have a wayyyy better survavibility
plain heart
what are the main differences in playstyle between hpala and resto druid in arenas (2s) ? I'm main pala but thinking about go druid (my partner is fury war if it matters)
west oasis
pala is more reactive, rdruid is more proactive
so like rdruid revolves around "pre-" something
pre-bear, pre-bark, pre-hotting, etc
plain heart
Got it. I kinda have a fear of running rdruid against very bursty comps (rogue/mage), because druids cds looks less powerful than pala's
defensive cds**
west oasis
well, i'd argue that rdruid's cds is not an immediate impact
plain heart
This is something I can confirm lol
west oasis
sure
but stuff like og/ironbark are powerful
just have to use it correctly
err
teammates mostly have to it correctly*
plain heart
and which one of them is more suitable for aggressive plays? I think rdruid has more setup but Idk which one has more capability of doing damage
Understood. I think I will give druid a try ( and tbh i feel more confortable healing with resto, I main pala because i don't like the other druids specs that much)
thanks guys
still magnet
WTB 2.3k Rdruid for Bear + DH gameplay 🙂
still magnet
YES I AM
west oasis
still magnet
:moonfire: :anima:
west oasis
@vestal citrus sounds like tettles could use you 😉
i'm sure you can give up the destro/boomie life
edgy oxide
that is how it works
wise valley
poe is a fuckin 18g download lmao
wise valley
i need something while i wait for my duo
the cosmetics are incredibly overpriced lmfao
like 60 bucks for tyreal wings
although its a good trade off for being a free game with tons of cool looking standard gear also
glyph how u been BABY
u hype for shitterlands expac
wise valley
fuck that expansion
fuck wow
shaco plays all day
idk dude wow pvp just died to me like a spark going out
first time in years it felt like that
actually pointless
still magnet
@vestal citrus do you have a mana burn weakaura
Yeah, that is the one
that i was looking for
shut crescent
How do you counter rogue disc or rogue hpally as a rdruid & DH?
still magnet
Line the healer
the whole game
i assume youre the one who is dying @shut crescent
shut crescent
Ye
I try but I dunno, I just melt sometimes even out of vendetta
Will try that more tho, ty 👌
wise valley
like
be literally on top of the healer
your positioning is high key most important and as melee that might not seem like a big piece of advice but basically you want to give the healer a colonoscopy @shut crescent
rogue hard swap also super predictable
just keep tabs on combo/cd's
combo points*
nvm im dumb as fuck i was assuming you were dh, but yeah ur dh should be applying so much pressure early the rogue has to peel and you being at max range can predict>counter the hard swap with ber and hots. if u survive the first swap your DH should secure a kill IMO
you have early advantage since rogue/rdruid both stealth and DH can open on their healer, and force rogue out of stealth so u can early cc and get pressure rolling
wise raft
how do you paly druid bear in arena atm not being funny?
what traits and stuff would i need
forest kite
You want to TANK in ARENA? Best of luck, your just gonna be a healing dps sponge with (for average) mediocre dmg
neat wind
if you play arena as guardian, prepare to be flamed relentlessly
guard/dh/healer with vitality conduit = most toxic thing ever
frosty blaze
forest kite
be prepared for hate messages as guardian
stray sigil
please dont put even more cancer on the ladder
already have to deal with destros i dont wanna see an abundance of guard teams too
clear pulsar
Its not even fun as guardian
Unless you like playing guardian in raid then the gameplay is about the same
Guardian dh is basically winning by default because mana rift exists
You can get it off disorient roar, wild charge root, stuns, imprison
sturdy agate
skill exists->win
but freal though. i was ZERO% mana at the 22:24 timer
i still dream and remember it
west oasis
yeah guardian is like
if you like being a super support melee for the dh (like face suggested)
damage is only good after dampening kicks in
celest oracle
I still dream of tanks being unable to join arena
obtuse ice
^
tropic schooner
and healers
wise valley
and dps
obtuse ice
only AI
wise valley
arena should be only for levels under 10
forest kite
how much mastery i need for feral in 2s
wise valley
all of it
@vestal citrus can u confirm
all of the mastery
gang gang
unless youre so meta you play hasted bleeds
clear pulsar
all of the mastery
wise valley
see
clear pulsar
sunshine knows whats up
clear pulsar
2200 mastery
wise valley
@forest kite did u get your answer
tardy hare
Theres a sandwich named after me???
@wise valley
Xplain
Ruben just posted a new pic on instagram
Like and comment ty
lime light
😒
wary pier
Looking for trinket suggestions for guardian Arena
tiny oar
👍
neon rover
@wary pier Lingering Sporepods (underrot) / maledict
weary radish
There's no feral PvP streamers who are on when I'm around, or in English. :(
tropic schooner
no higher ilvl stuff is better
old hound
How is Jungle with Holy Paladin instead of Disc?
rigid linden
imma get the best gear ever on my assass rogue
tiny oar
GOOD LUCK FORMY
gusty temple
tropic schooner
obtuse ice
XD
@gusty temple I think the best way it to try both
And play what feels better for you
clear pulsar
On the contrary
tropic schooner
its pvp its literally all feels
clear pulsar
Unless you're feral
Then you look at bite tooltip
If bite tooltip up
= good
If bite tooltip down
= scrap
wicked torrent
Hey, what gems do you put on your PVP Resto?
Mastery?
clear pulsar
Prob depends on how you play
If you play more aggressive on top of enemy healer and wanna get mad cyclones, def gem haste
But mastery very good too
neon rover
Resto Druid here who only aim for 2v2, my stats are 1550 haste , 1570 mastery , 660 versa, 520 crit ... i can change whatever stats i want to lower 200 and put 200 into another1 (LW craft + socket gems). Should i get some more crit or its good with only 12%?
clear pulsar
Crit is not good
Lowest stat
Most resto will have similar stats to yours
Mastery and haste interchangeably at top, then versa, then crit
neon rover
keep my stats the way they are or lower Crit even more?
clear pulsar
Idk at that point it's whatever
There is a sizable difference between someone with 1500 crit / 300 mastery and 300 crit / mastery, but at some point the difference is so minor
neon rover
Ok. i'm trying to min/max to try 2400+ .. just get back to my druid 2 weeks ago and it's very easy to push rating in 2v2 with a DH. Already at 2100+. I'll just focus in my gameplay now. Ty
clear pulsar
Haha yeah rdru dh
Good luck brother
I should find myself a dh and bite the bullet, give up on feral already
But idk if that's worth my dignity
neon rover
i play rdru + unholy and felt pretty good until i tried rdru + dh ... it's so OP you win even if u play bad
tiny oar
Guardian druid hpal is a 2100 viable comp fo those wondering HAHAHHS 😇 🔫
neon rover
i lost against Prot Palla / Feral.. they were 2200+ rating.. it was cancer
clear pulsar
Haha might have been me @neon rover
clear pulsar
We figured out how to beat most of the melee teams
So we went like 10-2
Then we faced bunch of eles and destro hpriest
And went like 2-10
:(
tardy hare
Prot pala feral?
clear pulsar
Yeah prot feral
neon rover
Destro/Hpriest is pretty hard
tardy hare
Ret feral or go home 
neon rover
i think i'm at 40/60 win rate against that shit
clear pulsar
Shadownerf is a bitch that wont learn ret, and honestly it's probably not even good since the nerfs to regrowth/swiftmend/mana regen/word of glory
tardy hare
Corrext
neon rover
Destro/rdru or Destro/holydin is pretty easy.. but that fucking HPriest matchup is cancer
clear pulsar
I think the extra cds from prot as well as knockback + silence makes us win more games than just flat ret burst
tardy hare
Thats cause of lack of skill
clear pulsar
We had this game
Cross kill
Guardian and pala went down roughty same time
That's when I discovered that flame shock ticks for 15k and procs mad ancient flames
clear pulsar
And purging every PS and regrowth
tardy hare
:^)
clear pulsar
People have been playing guardian in 2s for months
sturdy agate
is this still up to date?
bc i just opened the chest and i got a hands
and before that was an offhand weaapon
so im not actually sure where im at
dusty lagoon
@sturdy agate that's the list for conquest cap. The weekly chest is random I believe.
forest kite
maybe we get surprise trophy like last year from blizz for new year
bleak hill
Question. I wanted to do some 2v2 low rating arena in bear, cant find much info on the optimal essences to run. I have everything at r3+ any advice?
obtuse ice
It's highly possible
sturdy agate
cant say i ever got two pieces
clear pulsar
Smh why do you guys gotta be so toxic smh smh
@sturdy agate the weekly chest you open at mugambala/hook point is a random reward like the m+ weekly chest. The ilvl is based on rating and it can be any item in any given week.
Those lists are for the conquest bar rewards, which are static ilvl, and you can retroactively fill them to get all the rewards that have been made available up to the current week.
wary pier
Still Ilvl > everything for PVP?
sturdy agate
@clear pulsar so that "sample" reward is the current weeks guranteed item slot?
@clear pulsar and also doesnt that conq cap bar only reset weekly ? so you'll end up playing weekly catch up still right
wary pier
Currently running Anima major, c&s minor and swap last minor out for essances for guardian this sound right? Just really enjoying arena as guardian and want to improve however I can
forest kite
they like to nerf disc 🙂
they nerf mage and priest but not rogue
maybe conflict minor
edgy oxide
I mean they made me a regular, their taste in people is pretty low... how low are you?
wise valley
ask dyne
imagine reaching the bottom of the barrel, removing it, digging up 10 feet of dirt and worms and you might just see me
edgy oxide
I believe it
wary pier
If we were to run, Hpally, guardian druid and DH what would we want the DH talents to be? We are new to this
wise valley
if you were to run that
i wouldnt even respond because i dont talk to cancerous shit
but uh normal talents
for dh
could probably get away with more aggressive guardian talents
but srsly i hope you encounter traffic tomorrow
ye
sunshine for regular 2k20
clear pulsar
Sunshine you dont even play wow
sturdy agate
is the best sotf heal going to be rejuv?
tiny oar
Best sotf heal is a fat 200k regrowth in most situations
wise valley
@vestal citrus im honored you saved that pic
wary pier
@vestal citrus mana break or mana rift?
clear pulsar
Has anyone ever used mana break since they changed it?
Increases mana costs
For like 10s
On the target
forest kite
use on disc after rapture?
sturdy agate
/wa
sturdy agate
whats this little gold circle indicate
clear pulsar
Who the fuck knows, you're the one with the addons
Sounds like figuring out what your addons do is something that makes sense
For a player to do
sturdy agate
makes sense
forest kite
so shamans tell me lasso is actually buffed
cuz it now gets benefit from the 20% dmg talent after lava burst
livid wasp
do you guys /afk when you see rmp as jungle
like every game we go mage and they focus me
and I cant really survive, my priest is just cced 24/7 and mage is tanky as fuck
literally the only comp we lose to
every damn time
havent won it a single time
like we're just about to not even gonna try
it counters jungle so hard
at least our jungle
naive ocean
Are there any gladiator bears at 2v2
livid wasp
I hope not
tardy breach
any ideas against DH? having big problems in 2v2 playing with a fury (around 2k)
clear pulsar
I'd imagine you can stop every mana burn
Stormbolt every fel eruption
And rotate trinkets if he chaos novas and gets both
tardy breach
is it worth to stack vers for dh?
heavy lichen
No flame but multi glad DH lf a geared/similar exp us alliance guardian. Hit me up on discord for more info
west oasis
Can dh kill you? Even with mana? I feel like you don't need to stack vers against dh comps
Cuz dh kills you because you oom
forest kite
diff between playing assa and feral is like night and day in terms of pressure you put
I think it's mainly wound poison's 30% reduction
forest kite
Best essence for balance in pvp?
wise valley
sunshine reacted with laughing emoji
obtuse ice
😂
harsh ore
oh? ur hots can be dispelled?
here lets nerf ur mastery so that ur 1s of healing can heal less
i want them to create a pvp talent called Curse of Xavius
when someone dispells your hot, they will get a dot equal to the value of that hot
cant wait for mages to take overgrowth 
TIL
harsh ore
they are
we're so op lol
im just finding an excuse to be angry at priests and shaman
clear pulsar
Cuz they're both so absurdly op right?
harsh ore
laughs in healing wave
west oasis
lol
round dome
I think he's saying a small nerf is a very good sign
round dome
blizz announcing a small nerf just means we're going to continue to be broken
what they need to do is cap how many hots work with our mastery
so that it's not meh in raid and insane in 2-5 man content
round dome
rdruid mastery is a bad design
round dome
rdruid mastery rewards you for being in a small group
clear pulsar
You know what else is free?
round dome
Id run mastery even if they nerfed it 40-50%
forest kite
the mastery is really strong. It probably remains same place as now
nerf just makes scaling not turn rdruid super op again
rdruid total healing was nerfed 10% this season and it's still great
round dome
rdruid will continue to have amazing throughput
clear pulsar
On the other hand I wish all druid specs had all the spells given by the affinities, while the affinity talents themselves gave you the base effect of the mastery
And then be balanced with that in mind
Feels so bad when only resto gets to really play a full druid class
harsh ore
@clear pulsar kindness is free UwU
round dome
disc will probably get pvp buffed
clear pulsar
Hah
clear pulsar
Using "probably" when referring to the existence of pvp tuning is a very significant stretch
Hopefully would be more accurate imo
forest kite
but disc is still good in pve
round dome
I think it's likely
forest kite
they cry too much
round dome
I would put gold on it
forest kite
discs been crying since 2nd bfa raid and they have been top healers for pve
harsh ore
disc is useless in high keys CMM
clear pulsar
CMM?
west oasis
change my mind
clear pulsar
Why are you speaking in code?
west oasis
forest kite
here is data showing disc is not useless in high keys
15+
success rate is really high
harsh ore
sample size is small 😠
clear pulsar
Haha
forest kite
it's not too small, not a ton of groups doing 15+
forest kite
you can run 20 with every healer or tank
clear pulsar
I think every healer that isn't resto druid is useless in keys
clear pulsar
God bless
forest kite
weren't some groups running MW in the MDI?
clear pulsar
This is akin to how much you bitch about feral being trash in pvp
harsh ore
MW and HPAL and RSham are nice
forest kite
it's less trash in s3 than s2
forest kite
feral is not actually trash now u put words in my mouth
clear pulsar
How does mw deal with bursting?
harsh ore
not close
clear pulsar
Haha
clear pulsar
Imagine being a disc priest in a key
clear pulsar
Bursting + grievous
tiny oar
By throwing out 50k hps at 420 ilvl
harsh ore
dude
disc is utter sh*t at burst/grev
it boggles my mind
id rather heal on an ENHANCEMENT SHAMAN than disc
@tiny oar i mean yeah that IS true
forest kite
harsh ore
but good discs
disc is good if the player is good
but not many good discs
p sure u can be an idiot and succeed on rdruid
oh wait nvm i forgot the people who run germ in keys
take thjat back
forest kite
hmm... maybe go back to pvp here
tiny oar
Yea I played lifebinders major last bursting week cycled through that/rapture shields/dome. Wasn't the worst key in the world but only a 12 so
harsh ore
and problem with disc is u need a target to aoe heal properly
so if all the adds die and ur allies are ticking for 100k
gl
clear pulsar
So disc likes the dungeon to be run like spriest does too
Just keep going and never let the ball drop
harsh ore
i have so many problems with disc but to avoid being irrational ill say that im the problem and not the spec
clear pulsar
But yeah sotf germ all day brother
forest kite
it's hard to optimize healers to be as good in pvp, m+ and raids
so they just focus on raids
west oasis
oh ye
i think that's more of problem in pvp
is sotf/germ iteration
sotf + rdruid mastery
is just lol
clear pulsar
I feel like they should make sotf only affect wild growth, and then buff it to 100% instead
west oasis
sure that's something i can get behind
forest kite
ironbark short cd and sotf + cat form dmg are a bit too much i think
west oasis
sotf not used by pve
harsh ore
oh pve..
clear pulsar
Cuz it's useless in pve as is, and it makes resto be the burstiest healer in the game, which it shouldnt be
west oasis
let us rework it 😄
clear pulsar
In pvp
harsh ore
since doing pvp im actually very interested in running sotf in pve
but like optimization :/
clear pulsar
Yeah sotf is just lit but I feel it's not great for resto to have access to that type of burst
forest kite
its kinda needed when rogue + mage exists
harsh ore
we dont have any other burst tho
west oasis
having 2x swiftmends AND 2 steroided regrowths in our kit
just a different hpala
LOL
clear pulsar
And that's perfectly fine
harsh ore
i forgot u can regrowth through blind, poly, sap, stun, or flame breath 😠
forest kite
what?
clear pulsar
Resto druid has some of the best damage output, best cc, 2nd best mobility, and best sustained healing of any healer, why would it need to also have the best burst healing?
harsh ore
i struggle against rogue/mage
west oasis
yeah face
clear pulsar
Run nourish
harsh ore
i run boomkin affinity and nourish
west oasis
clear pulsar
And felt disgusted
harsh ore
and it helps, but not so much in 2s
west oasis
LOOOOOOL
harsh ore
umm isnt feral trash?
clear pulsar
2s is super polarized
tiny oar
🌻
harsh ore
THRASH I SAID THRASH
west oasis
> 🐱
forest kite
essences pumped dmg of feral in s3 it can do some moves
clear pulsar
Resto is just so versatile that you don't feel like any matchup is a bad matchup
forest kite
even frost dk became somewhat viable now with essences
clear pulsar
Feral can definitely win games
It's not bad
I just wish it had some sort of armor pen
harsh ore
yeah its just not good 
harsh ore
i like that FB feels like an execute
clear pulsar
I crit a 80k execute on mage
Last night
Then I face hpala dk in 2s
Never more than 45k
NEVER
west oasis
LOOL
clear pulsar
BOTE rank 3 and badge up
45k crit
Swear to you
And half the time the paladin blocks it too
forest kite
go on hpala as assa
forest kite
u eat hpala as asas
harsh ore
try FBing a dh during blade dance, heard that works good
clear pulsar
But prot pala feral is kinda lit, we feel pretty confident into most dk hpala these days cuz at our rating they're all ass
And we can kill dk in 2 goes
Bro fuck DH
But we beat dh rsham once in 40 seconds
Cuz the DH flew up and the rsham didnt have anyone to spirit link to
harsh ore
feral prot palla sounds like cancer
forest kite
DH needs some nerf in pve and pvp this patch. hopefully they deliver
clear pulsar
If we dont kill before going thru our defensives, we lose, which takes like 3 mins tops
west oasis
@clear pulsar taking after machtig
harsh ore
by 3rd minute third bubble will be up lol...
west oasis
but making his own flavor
clear pulsar
I feel like the biggest issue with prot hpal is the hpal part @harsh ore
harsh ore
idk hpal can burst but yeah
clear pulsar
The thing is, people can whine about tanks all they want, but in reality every dampener comp has a healer, but not every tank comp is dampener
Think about it
Prot pala feral games only last more than 3 min in 3 cases
Enemy is guardian rsham
Cross kill and we're trying real hard to win the 1v1
Or we kill 1 and cycle clone rep and root on the 2nd just to see how long until they /afk
clear pulsar
We had a disc that never quit
We let him get 2 rezes on the rogue
At 100% dampening
Fun times
harsh ore
LOL and u won???
clear pulsar
Oh yeah
harsh ore
alt f4
clear pulsar
Disc assa isn't too bad as feral prot
Biggest issues are shamans
Rsham, ele sham
And destro lock
clear pulsar
:(
harsh ore
thats how i win all my games against warlocks
we just dot and los
then go in during damp
harsh ore
oh true...
clear pulsar
Homeboy gets infernals every 15s
harsh ore
mass entangle? or hmm
harsh ore
yeah why not mass entangle?
clear pulsar
It's kinda pointless
Mass root then what, go around the pillar for the lock to cast on me?
Or try to cross the map and get coiled into bolt into root into bolt into fear into bolt into shadowfury into bolt
harsh ore
mass root them as they come, so that ur in the los away from lock
is coil remove corruptionable?
or rather umm
havoc
clear pulsar
Havoc yeah
Another issue is
They only play with rdru or hpriest
So it's either hitting into thorns
Or unwinnable
harsh ore
right
need a ranged against locks
trying to gap close with fear and coil is monkas
dash?
dash away faster b***
harsh ore
yeah with censure or wtv its called
clear pulsar
Mhm
tiny oar
Survival hunter sub rogue is another non healer comp that's pretty nutty that I dont see a lot
So much control and burst damage
clear pulsar
It does sound nutty
harsh ore
i like survival hunter. they allow me to run mark of the wild
clear pulsar
I've never seen it
harsh ore
and then i ask them where their nature damage is
tiny oar
Vital and tyoko or some shit like that play it at like 2400
They stomp on my dps every time
forest kite
Troll racial reduces root duration in addition to slows, right?
Feels like one of the underrated ones for melee classes
clear pulsar
I dont think it's underrated
I think it pales in comparison to orc
Or warstomp as druid
forest kite
not for druid
but DK/war/rogue getting out of roots/slows faster is good imo
just never seen anyone pointing troll as a good choice
harsh ore
prob cuz its ugliness outweighs its pvp benefit :/
it has berserk too
which is like super for burst
harsh ore
u can zand and heal behind pillar >:)
tiny oar
Dino cat 🐱
harsh ore
rawrXD
tiny oar
War stomp clone is pretty pog even though I love zandalari druid, maybe I lvl my tauren druid in av 
clear pulsar
It rarely works as feral but it's pretty decent if you have an immunity
harsh ore
sometimes i regret race changing from tauren to zand
but then i remember i can fit through doors now
clear pulsar
I did too
Then I just went nelf
And I don't think I can make myself play a druid of a diff race now
tiny oar
👍
tiny oar
I've had that bug forever not just tauren I think
Like the one where your camera just drops into the floor instantly?
west laurel
Just play in first person you dummy!!! Problem fixed kappa. @harsh ore
surreal heron
oh no
eager ingot
Entangle all warriors, shred the mages and bite the ladies! What’s new, my pvp fellow droods
edgy oxide
no
wise valley
ye
@eager ingot yeah if you could never use the term drood in here again that'd be great mate
@tardy hare 27/m/usa need a sugar daddy
obtuse ice
drood
wise valley
ur a weeb so we dont expect normalcy from you
obtuse ice
are all drood weeb?.
wise valley
fuck u napoleon
obtuse ice
o no
eager ingot
Why is drood an issue
wise valley
because we are educated here in pvp unlike every other barbarian channel
tardy hare
I have student loan to give u?
west oasis
@eager ingot uhhh
there's multiple issues
on one hand
you have rdruid, who pretty much takes up spots that other healers would be top in
i.e. rmx, rdruid outclasses priest and sort of hpal
eager ingot
So? All classes are good. It’s just how you use em.
west oasis
then there's feral who is on a struggle bus of tryign to differentiate itself from assa rogue
and boomie is just outclassed by destro/mage
yes all classes are good up to a certain point
i'm just stating that PoV at that stage
eager ingot
Sorry I disagree with you. Feral can wreck rogues
Many of people isn’t using blood talons. It’s especially useful against rogues and warriors with insta entangle root.
west oasis
well no my PoV but that bracket's PoV
eager ingot
Gives you time to run and stealth. Druid is all about kiting. Not direct damage
Unlike most of melee classes
west oasis
feel free to disagree, i'm only reiterating points
eager ingot
Yeah all good man. It’s just play styles
west oasis
the last time i remember feral was s1 with ferocious bite trait lol
edgy oxide
@wise valley to be fair, #resto does not appreciate drood or dudu or anything else other than druid as well
west oasis
rdoodoo?
edgy oxide
yikes
west oasis
LMAO
edgy oxide
delete your discord account
eager ingot
I main feral Druid named Oreo lol but their bleed will prevent rogues from stealthing again and that’s main reason why they can kill em np
Lol
Fair enough, I shouldn’t say “you people” either?
eager ingot
Can’t enlighten someone who wouldn’t change their mind anyway. I’ll save our breath and say this. Everyone has different play style. If you know your shit, you know. I know my shit. Kthxbai
Who the hell uses sub rogues nowadays
I’ve seen outlaw wreck everything
It’s like putting an arcane mage in a bg. I lold
obtuse ice
Oreo-Azjol-Nerub
forest kite
Feral and blood dk weapon nerfed
@wise valley I think feral is very good vs assa 1v1 but in arena far less useful
obtuse ice
I think rogue still have more tools to 1v1 feral
clear pulsar
I'd ask what the fuck type of pvp that is where outlaw is wrecking everything
But I'm afraid of knowing the answer
wise valley
im pretty sure leroy just kinda dumb dont mind him
wise valley
any actual rogue main who is experienced will beat a feral main just because of the state of rogue right now.
eager ingot
Quick to judge aren’t you lol
wise valley
no i thought about it for about 3 entire minutes actually
eager ingot
I’m not gonna stoop to your level. All good. Like I said, if you know your shit. All good. I know how to play my feral
tardy hare
Get wardened
wise valley
eager ingot
Will have to look when I get home. And don’t lie glyph
Everyone loses to one class at some point.
😂
eager ingot
You guys are funny
wise valley
at this point in bfa there is no way the feral 1v1s reliably if we are arguing both are top notch players
eager ingot
No I don’t know my cr atm, I haven’t been on my feral for a bit. Focusing on other classes
tardy hare
I never accept 1v1s against a rogue
wise valley
so why am i funny
do you consider your single observation more prominent than a collective of thousands of hours played
nvm ur 1500
go fuck yourself idiot
eager ingot
Lmao You’re looking at wrong character 😂
wise valley
you hit rival
eager ingot
Again, so quick to judge. That’s why you’re funny
wise valley
how many oreos yall got on azian nerub
you dont have high exp
everyone knows their exp
eager ingot
To open it.. only non judgemental people can!
wise valley
@surreal heron
this the kinda shit u let happen here smh
if i was a mod id run this place like a well lubricated sweat shop
eager ingot
Nah, you made it happen. Not him or anyone. You decide you didn’t like what I had to say even after I basically told you you’re entitled to your opinion. You wanna play, I’ll play your games
wise valley
nah
eager ingot
Yah
wise valley
you came here stating opinions with no evidence
clear pulsar
I think anyone that claims feral is better than rogue at anything in wow currently should get a mental check up
clear pulsar
It's not a matter of opinion
wise valley
only dude on your realm named what you claim is 1500
eager ingot
Again so quick to judge
wise valley
yeah welcome to pvp where theorycrafting doesnt exist because we have actual evidence
obtuse ice
don't feed the troll
eager ingot
^
clear pulsar
Joke's on you I'm night elf
eager ingot
Thank you elemond