pvp

[forest kite]

thats what ppl say on the forums like Kennie

[grand mesa]

There are 15 rDruids above 2500 rn

[late wraith]

forums

?

[grand mesa]

36 are above 2400 and elite

maybe late season last week everyone queueing it kinda inflates up sure but at this point of season I don’t think that’s true

[forest kite]

wow forums

[late wraith]

are wow forums really that active? outside of people complaining?

this is a genuine question i only see wow forum posts when they're shared in discord and it's always funny whining

[forest kite]

it has a pretty select group of ppl on there

like a circle jerk sort of thing

[late wraith]

yeah

[forest kite]

circle jerk of elitists who shit on everyone who isn't them

[late wraith]

i dunno if i'd take it too seriously whatever people say on there.

[forest kite]

ive basically told off like 3 diff ppl on there cuz all they did is rating shame and screenshot your checkpvp whenever you share an opinion

[late wraith]

sounds like a blast

yeah that's so cringe lol

big dh cord energy

egoing like that is embarrassing.

[forest kite]

yeah so I make fun of them and tell them at least I'm successful in the real world while u guys literally sell carries for a job and have 10 viewer twitch streams

[late wraith]

get they asses bob

[forest kite]

and theyre like

"lol all u can do is make irl insults cuz u suck" but I'm not the one bullying/ganging up on ppl in a forum

[late wraith]

yeah embarassing behavior

[forest kite]

yeah i basically stay off there now its a pathetic incel echo chamber at this point

[late wraith]

and i just don't take people who act like that seriously

[forest kite]

i wasted my time on there

[late wraith]

cause people who are actually good don't act like that on forums and discords.

[grand mesa]

Forums haven’t been good since the late 90s early 2000s

In general

[late wraith]

yeah discord replaced that whole way of communicating

[grand mesa]

Used to do mIRC a lot too but discord definitely subplanted that

[late wraith]

omg

remember ventrilo

being in your little guild vent

[grand mesa]

Yes

and that one asshole who figured out tts for the first time comes in with the thing that says I’m a sprinkler tststststststststststststs

[late wraith]

loooool

[dull mirage]

I'm stuck in shuffle. It seems like every lobby I join has a ret paladin and some type of warrior

[late wraith]

ah yeah. war you gotta get away from them and shut them down. so doing stuff like typhoon-root-clone

[random patrol]

love rets their so easy to ignore for me at least

[late wraith]

you need to do your very best to fake cast so you can get precog and get clones out on them

[random patrol]

double mage shuffle was my favorite cause I could go stationary and blast

[late wraith]

it is much harder to kite out a ret for the obvious them kinda being a ranged melee so you just gotta get fake casts and clones and as stressful as it is, the best counter is just to smash them with damage. if you can get clones on them and get as much damage out as you can you'll have a better chance. you're kinda losing once you're finding you're sitting in bear against that comp.

[dull mirage]

Usually I get kicked on clone and then it's just a slow decline in bear form until I run out of Frenzied Regen and HotW

[random patrol]

there was a good rudar video on how to deal with melee but I can't seem to find it now

I like to jump wild charge while using typhoon into mass entangle or other stuff my self

[late wraith]

yeah do you have the precog gem?

[random patrol]

I almost don't even use bear form now

[late wraith]

you will still get kicked on it, some sessions they call my bluff a lot that's where you need to make space

[random patrol]

even with hotw talented

[late wraith]

so you typhoon, root, then you can wildcharge either backwards or elf wildcharge to your healer and clone them

[forest kite]

how do I get bloody tokens outside of the world quests in the one weekly zone?

[late wraith]

i think fastest is to join a farm raid

[forest kite]

how do they farm it?

[random patrol]

crates

[late wraith]

crates ye

[random patrol]

lookin it up in groupfinder

[late wraith]

you get conquest too

[forest kite]

ah

[random patrol]

I got a toon from fresh to fully geared in a few hours 6 times doing that

[forest kite]

what zone?

[late wraith]

they rotate around

[random patrol]

they rotate zones

[late wraith]

so they have an addon that tells them where the next drop is

and you all fly there

[forest kite]

whats the groups called?

[late wraith]

pvp crate farm

or something crate farm

[forest kite]

dont see anything with crate it in it

i just need 200 bloody tokens tbh

not much at all

[random patrol]

have to wait a bit sometimes

[late wraith]

first one here

it will be faction locked obv so you might have to wait a bit

[forest kite]

o

i dont see it for some reason

[late wraith]

are you alliance?

[forest kite]

yea

[dull mirage]

I've been using the stun DR gem 😮 Noob exposed

[forest kite]

still 0 crate listings

so I guess you just cant get more bloody tokens until next week

[clear pulsar]

I'm pretty sure any world quest done with war mode up will give you bloody tokens. Probably not much, like 20 each?! But you can try that

And any pvp world quest will give more than that too

[stray sigil]

just farm the lidle sand shit on the ground

gives 5 a pop

and u just flying around doing nothing

[late wraith]

oh man get the precog gem it'll change the game for you

[random patrol]

alliance prob gets less crate groups atm cause their more dominate in wm the groups do exist though tbf this late in the week prob less of them to go around

[dull mirage]

I've been doing WQ in war mode and getting 100 tokens per quest

Even the dragon riding quest gave me 100

[forest kite]

they dont say it in the tooltip so i thought it doesnt ill try tho ty

[tiny oar]

ye they do its litty

get ur tokens fam

[forest kite]

yay

[random patrol]

7th druid will hit 80 this week then 8th's turn

then Ill have an 80 druid of each race

[cerulean condor]

which is ur fav race

hows full mastery vs haste boomie? i currently only have mastery gear bcs i played rdruid before

[harsh ore]

Tauren is the only right Druid race

[random patrol]

haste way better @cerulean condor

[grand mesa]

Hello fellow druid pvpers

[harsh ore]

Fellow schizos*

[tiny oar]

hmmmmmmmm...

[grand mesa]

Go away lakez

[harsh ore]

No lakey is here to stay

[random patrol]

time for aug aug disc pvp

[grand mesa]

I saw some crazy with shit Aug lately

[livid wasp]

mods lurk this channel?

[tropic schooner]

no

[livid wasp]

maybe some link detection shit

[stray sigil]

mods dont ever since i purged them

[tiny oar]

yea ur so powerful fuji ur just built like that

[random patrol]

brb making an aug for double aug disc

[vestal citrus]

deserved green name

https://tenor.com/view/crusader3455-crusader-wow-hype-win-gif-26294740

[clear pulsar]

When you ban an account you can just purge all their recent messages at once

[random patrol]

looks like elder scrolls IV remastered is real

f

[vestal citrus]

When is kotor 3

that game will be goated

[tropic schooner]

kotor was fun

[vestal citrus]

was incredible

im not even a star wars geek and it was just so banger

[clear pulsar]

Yeah the dev studio site leaked a ton of assets

Like 3 days ago

[random patrol]

well it's been confirmed by bethesda now

before it was just a really good rumor

[clear pulsar]

The rumor's been out for like 2 years

The assets leak was pretty solid near guaranteed true

[random patrol]

I want my new vegas remastered damn it

never will happen though

skyrim super deluxe edition before that or es 6

[stray sigil]

true for that i do

[tiny oar]

the day u get green is the day i get purple brother

[stray sigil]

its not about would get

is should get

but its fine

[tiny oar]

[random patrol]

when your 77 dk will never get 80

cause dks suck

[late wraith]

axtin should be green way before you, clown

sorry.

axtin not even being orange is crimes probably

[stray sigil]

beavs is new around here and it shows

[vestal citrus]

its just how many words you yap

so

if

you

type

like

this

you can farm

[stray sigil]

i type like this

[vestal citrus]

idk why beavs so violent today

aggressive

[stray sigil]

who nose why she chose violence on me

@late wraith old witch

[vestal citrus]

[clear pulsar]

Do people really have this idea that orange name has anything to do with how good anyone is?

It's pretty random but you definitely have to participate

And you have 15x as many messages as him for instance

[velvet quest]

Face is a hater cause axtin didn’t help him get io

[surreal heron]

you just hate to see face being right

[velvet quest]

I can’t be a hater cause face is never right

[surreal heron]

very hater comment

[velvet quest]

He’s also short (not a hater)

[surreal heron]

height jokes in 2025

holy

[clear pulsar]

A real orange name would have

I did 0 keys on my druid this week, tf

[grand mesa]

But how’s your BG3 run

@clear pulsar

U also didn’t reply to my DM

[vestal citrus]

imagine not being at least 6'2

[random patrol]

air is thinner up there

[clear pulsar]

Do you think it deserved it?

[tiny oar]

imagine not being 5"4 and pocket sized

[random patrol]

@tiny oar "gnome"

aka puntable

[tiny oar]

I'm the perfect height to bury myself in boobs when I hug my girlfriend so who's really winning here

[random patrol]

I've lost 2 inches cause spinal injuries

so dats my life

[clear pulsar]

2 inches is all some of us have

[random patrol]

girth > length

[clear pulsar]

It's going great btw, Giants Barb is actually the most OP thing I've ever seen

[tiny oar]

relatable

[random patrol]

I'm glad Im forever single to much work dating and stuff these days

[late wraith]

I was at dinner what happened

[late wraith]

No I dunno what it means I was just trying to annoy Fuji

I should be oranged just for that tbh

[tiny oar]

beavs for new orange pvp regular

[late wraith]

Lake for mod me for orange, ez. These are ez promotions that we have earned and deserve

[surreal heron]

+1

[late wraith]

Let’s goooooooo

[random patrol]

[forest kite]

does anyone know, did feral have MS effect in mop?

[livid wasp]

no

[forest kite]

btw zechey, u should not play jungle, it's utter dog scheize

im rerolling from hunter I think

to feral maybe

[livid wasp]

go mage and we fmp

[forest kite]

cant see myself playing mage, always felt like such a weak class to me, I'd rather play lock

now it's obv insane, but

[livid wasp]

ive thought of maybe trying it

play a broken caster for once

but idk maybe ele better I like being able to heal

[forest kite]

feral is insane melee, one of the best. But ye, playing caster is very nice

ele is kinda unstable spec, has been bad

a lot

historically, I'd say lock/boomy best caster

feral/warr/rogue best melee

guess I shud put mage in best caster asw

[livid wasp]

lock is always good

[forest kite]

has been op for a few seasons/xpacs now

nvm, mage has always been good, lol

godcomp/fmp/rmp was good in mop

ye, lock imo always seemed like gigachad version of mage

purple>blue

can someone link the shadowmeld->rake

in 1 button macro?

[tropic schooner]

no shot boomy is there

over mage

[forest kite]

mop

better than mage

[tropic schooner]

maybe thats true, no clue will see

[forest kite]

for a few seasons now asw, boomy has been S+ tier

even skillcapped said boomy was the best spec to invest into

[tropic schooner]

but if you go there tbc, wotlk, cata mage >>> moonkin

[forest kite]

now its bad ofc, but itll get buffed n stuff

well

boomy actually pretty strong in cata

and feral is insane in cata

[tropic schooner]

sure

moonkin is strong in cata

but not even fucking close to mage

[forest kite]

true

[tropic schooner]

especially cause the only really playable moonkin comp is with a fire mage

[forest kite]

xD

y

I guess u could put like

mage top 3

but warlock, historically, best caster

[tropic schooner]

I would agree that lock is prolly overall strongest class in wow pvp

but id be fairly confident for casters at least mage is second

[forest kite]

yeah

and maybe boomy third

[tropic schooner]

hm dunno about that but maybe

[forest kite]

no caster comes close to boomy i think

historically

aside from lock

and mage

didnt it win mop blizzcon

[tropic schooner]

I think third is quite close

no clue

[forest kite]

and I think maybe it won awc

not too long ago

but yeah, maybe mage 2nd

I wish they just kept class design static

[tropic schooner]

nah fuck that

[forest kite]

compied SL ssn 2, made some changes, fixed the scuffed shit

copied*

and just kept it

[tropic schooner]

personally I think that would essentially kill wow pvp

for most people

[forest kite]

Not if it's extremely good

[tropic schooner]

disagree

it would be bland

[forest kite]

so u think change > health, integrity, balance, good skillfloor/cap etc?

[tropic schooner]

yes

absolutely

[forest kite]

So u think quantity>quality

[tropic schooner]

no?

[forest kite]

For marketing, true

[tropic schooner]

I think if you play wow pvp and want/expect a fully balanced game you are in the wrong spot

[forest kite]

It's all about bundles, wow tokens, store etc for making money

[tropic schooner]

I think it would be activly bad that way

[forest kite]

not balance and health

[tropic schooner]

sure, and the best way to make money is keep players playing

so the incentive is to make the game the most interesting for the most ppl

[forest kite]

Instead of ruining classes more and more every season just for a new type of dopamine hit similar to gambling, they could instead keep it static and as close to perfect as possible, and INSTEAD focus all their energy on lore, new pvp maps, new modes, MORE REWARD (blizzard, why are there no new rewards ever? LOL), more ladder stuff etc

That would result in infinitely more dopamine and engagement

than just random class gambling changes

[tropic schooner]

your opinion I disagree with it

[forest kite]

you didnt even read it

[tropic schooner]

I did

[forest kite]

you began typing 1 second

after I wrote it

[tropic schooner]

rewards are insanly important and engaging, static in especially an mmo is boring

like sure I wish they would do more things too absolutely not everything they do is perfect

but assuming you can keep the game static (and assume that static game means balanced) is just not it

[forest kite]

Jumping puzzles, update the old world and make the content usable, new insane lore like wotlk type shit, insane new rewards like rbg special glad mount, enchants for each bracket, insane transmog sets for r1 and gladiator, cool sets for 2.4, ok sets for 2k, and make mmr/rating based on %, so it's static, so we dont end up with 3.9cr in SL, and 3k cr other xpacs

infinite amount of ideas

they're just lazy and incompetent

corporate dysfunction

happens to every big business

[tropic schooner]

what does any of that have to do with class changes?

[forest kite]

cuz they realize bundlez = free money

Because this is horizontal content

it adds evergreen content

[tropic schooner]

sure with that I mostly agree, I also think they NEED to make fairly consistent class changes and balance changes

[forest kite]

the reason people like class changes is because they get bored of something

[tropic schooner]

to keep it interesting

[forest kite]

If there's constantly new updates, they wont get bored

[tropic schooner]

different things for different people

[forest kite]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY MAKE CLASS CHANGES? it can only get worse...

[tropic schooner]

the vast majority doesnt give a fuck about r1 or glad, thats out of reach for most anyway most ppl dont give a fuck about mmr/rating numbers

[forest kite]

It's like taking quake and begin changing shit

[tropic schooner]

bullshit

[forest kite]

it would just become worse

bullshit?

[tropic schooner]

yes

[forest kite]

look what happened to wow

every xpac it's become worse and worse

more cd's

more mobility creep

more bloat

and instead of fixing the core problems, they hide the symptoms by adding even more major cd's

[tropic schooner]

so you think vanilla is the best wow version ever? Even not the current vanilla just the original one?

[forest kite]

suddenly you need 4 more major defensives as healers to keep up

and you wonder why nobody ques solo shuffle or 3s anymore

or 2s

it's because of class design

classes are the scope in which we view the game through

If the scope is uneven, everything is uneven

no, vanilla didnt even have arena

[tropic schooner]

it didnt even have ranked pvp

there was 0 incentive to do pvp

[forest kite]

I think mop was the best for it's time, and in modern times, I think SL ssn 2 was the most balanced one after they fixed ret/sub/ww one shots

[tropic schooner]

so are you saying some changes were good? shocking I thought it all was bad

[forest kite]

I didn't say that

[tropic schooner]

like I dont even fully disagree with everything you say

[forest kite]

It's gotten progressively worse after SL

[tropic schooner]

yes you did

[forest kite]

SL was an improvement from bfa

don't play intellectually dishonest, you know I didn't mean that Vanilla was the best pvp expansion

😂

[tropic schooner]

I doubt youd mean that but I also think you dont present good opinions
I do agree that there are too many cds in modern wow pvp, and they are too strong I did enjoy playing wotlk arena and playing some cata right now and I have fun its a very different game.
But I also see the necessity of changing the game up by changing classes, does that likely end up in less balance? yes I think thats worth it

[forest kite]

irrelevant anyways, it's a subjective topic at the end of the day, so it doesn't matter at all. But for me, and probably around 99,9% of the real arena players, I'd say static class design would be best and the most healthy/rewarding design. And I could check wowhead every week to see what new awesome content is coming

[tropic schooner]

Also gear progression in general lowers the balance

[tropic schooner]

"real arena players" = people with your opinion

[forest kite]

"omg, new insane reward from solo shuffle, a huge white shadowy enchant that looks like glorious tyranny? let me log int!"

[tropic schooner]

thats a huge cap

look at literally any popular game those arent even forced changes by gear progression and they still do quite sweeping changes

like league, dota

hell even cs has balance changes and new maps

[forest kite]

How are you so certain that you know what you want?

Most people don't know what they want

[tropic schooner]

huh? the thing I want is some changes, spice some stuff up what exactly no clue?

[forest kite]

Do you want gladiator or r1? if I gave it to you, would you like it? no, in a few days it would become your new norm to have those things and it would become boring.

[tropic schooner]

what does that have to do with anything?

thats a reward not a game change

[forest kite]

What you actually want is progression and something to chase, you want constant challenge

but your brain doesnt know that

I'm explaining how just because you think you want something, doesn't mean you actually want it

Women say they like men who show emotions, yet in studies it disgusts them

people in wow say they want pruning

in mop

yet it ruined wow

in wow, pve'ers say "pls make glad mount easier, please let me have those rewards, or I will quit", yet the act of making the item easier to get removes it's value, making it worthless

People don't understand these things

[tropic schooner]

okay sure? I can acknowledge that I might be wrong? however the scope of what I want is signficantly bigger then what you want so the likelihood of you being wrong is significantly larger

[forest kite]

You don't want class changes, you want a healthy reward structure that constantly challenges you, allows you to overcome those challenges and rewards

Your brain has just become indoctrinated into thinking that class changes = "hype, new content"

similar to gambling

And that reward structure can be given to you via way healthier and better systems

[tropic schooner]

[forest kite]

Also, you probably haven't noticed this either, but the only reason humans do anything is either to: 1. breed. 2. survive. And the ONLY reason you play video games, AT ALL...is to climb some sort of hierarchy. That's the only reason we play video games, workout, buy nice clothes, etc etc

It's all to increase the likelihood of breeding

biologically speaking. So if you think class changes is what you actually want, I ask again...how can you be so sure?

It's not a coincidence 99% of people playing games are men

[tropic schooner]

this has to be a bit at this point

[forest kite]

No, it's called actual arguments

[tropic schooner]

in that case im sorry for your life hope it improves

gl

[forest kite]

don't see how that's relevant to the discussion

So anyway, long story short:

Constant class changes + worse balance + trash reward structure + barely any real content
<
No class changes + solid reward/effort ratio + good skill floor/ceiling + well-designed specs + actual fun content

Too many tweaks just make stuff feel unstable, and none of it matters if the rewards suck, the games are unbalanced once you gear up and que up and there's nothing fun to do.

[fallen trellis]

[tiny oar]

holy fuck LOL

[fallen trellis]

[tiny oar]

yea thats insane btw

[forest kite]

how is evolution

and basic biology insane

in Norway we're taught this very clearly

[prime osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[forest kite]

I guess it's still too early to talk openly about such things. Wasn't long ago that people burned women for being witches. I mean, people still believe being obese is the obese person's fault, and not their DNA that command every single cell in their body, hahahahaha. Can you imagine that? people not understanding that free will is impossible in a universe governed by the law of cause-and-effect? as if people could choose their actions, when their actions are entirely dictated by their gene code that every cell in their body is programmed by, and the environment that gene program is influenced by

[tiny oar]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-bubbles-bubbles-fire-furious-mad-gif-4776171618049176982

[forest kite]

hahaha, or when everyone blamed the mother of children with Dyslexia before they knew of it's existence, blaming the child and the mother for being lazy and bad people

People are funny

[tiny oar]

i hope u can find peace and serenity in life

sry ur going thru some shit

[forest kite]

ye, going thru humanity

feelsbadman

[tiny oar]

same bud same

[chrome panther]

[onyx crow]

Have you ever met an asexual

[chrome panther]

got a tldr for this yap or is blud just spittin

[onyx crow]

You play video games because it'll make you fuck better or something and making glad mounts more available will kill the game

[tropic schooner]

the start was somewhat reasonable

disagreement in whats good for the game

just read last few messages

[chrome panther]

making glad mounts achievable for your average player would spike participation like crazy

[tropic schooner]

those are the relevant ones

[chrome panther]

I hit 2.4k mmr and suddenly I'm playing against cdew in his AWC practice games

Like come the fuck on

Nobody has time for that shit

[forest kite]

I think Ziqo explained it best: GIve everyone a lambo, and the lambo becomes worthless

[chrome panther]

I don't care about ziqos opinion, he can get glad any season he wants

[forest kite]

We all chase things because of a reward structure. It's how we used to live in nature, and our brains developed into craving it.

Food and resources was hard to get, and so our brain gave us dopamine and other chemicals from the struggle, making the chase not feel bad

[tiny oar]

🔥

[forest kite]

Now it's just in the form of grinding rating, grinding a job to upgrade your house, whatever it may be

It's all based on the same reward structure

[tiny oar]

i play videogames to FUCK and no other reason

[prime osprey]

could you provide a source on those studies?

[forest kite]

and our brain still subconsciously makes us do it because it thinks it increases our chances of breeding. You know in highschool when you had your cool kids group, the tall guys with the good jawlines? yeah, that shit never went away, it's just transformed into suits, big houses, money etc

[chrome panther]

Ok it's a bit gg I got got

[forest kite]

You want a source?

[prime osprey]

Yes, that is what i said

[forest kite]

Ask your mom what men she thinks are hot, and analyze the men

[onyx crow]

Praying for the joe Rogan podcast link

[forest kite]

There's your answer

It's not rocket science

we're just evolved monkeys

[onyx crow]

Lmao

[chrome panther]

Sick source bro

[prime osprey]

Ah yes "studies showed" as in "i made it the fuck up"

[forest kite]

Biology is raw

[tiny oar]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-cringe-gif-26633208

[tropic schooner]

hey now trust me bro

is the best sauce

[tiny oar]

this is peak manhood sorry if it upsets you

[chrome panther]

Let me ask my mother what kind of men she finds hot to backup your claims in a discord argument over PvP reward structure

[forest kite]

The fact that this is controversial makes me want to go full Tengai Shinsei on the earth

[prime osprey]

You cant claim that studies showed something in good faith if you dont actually have any studies that show that lil bro

thats just lying with extra steps

[forest kite]

https://tenor.com/view/madara-tengai-shinsei-gif-9875929004343010447

[chrome panther]

How old are you btw

Occupation?

[forest kite]

Age is irrelevant. What you should ask is how high is my awareness and meta cognition and IQ

a 15 year old could be more correct than a 40 year old experienced person

[chrome panther]

How old are you

[prime osprey]

So hes 15

got it

[forest kite]

Old enough to have experienced how irrational people are

26

[chrome panther]

Occupation?

[onyx crow]

You've still got a lot of growing up to do if you think the human experience is so black and white

[forest kite]

Why are you asking me these questions, what's your goal

[prime osprey]

"people are irrational" while making up studies to support his baby rage narrative

[forest kite]

Because I could ask the biology/psychology behind your questions, what your goal is

[chrome panther]

I want to understand the basis for someone becoming this embarrassingly stupid I can raise my child the exact opposite way

[forest kite]

You do realize that biology at it's core is extremely black and white, right? Look at animals for example, the bear who's bigger get's the female bears. The fkn duck with the largest most colorful feet get's all the women

You think humans are so different?

[onyx crow]

Also wrong lol

Nice rage bait though, have fun

[tropic schooner]

can you elaborate on those colourful duck feet?

[forest kite]

You want to know? 1. Being born with a very high awareness/meta cognition. 2. having a deep interest in science. 3. Trying to find people with common interests, and conversing about my interests with others. 4. Realizing that 99% of people don't seek truth, and choose comfort and bias, making it miserable to be with others, becaue you become aware of all the biases, misinformation, inconsistencies, and inefficiencies

[chrome panther]

Ya I'm not reading all that, gl bud

[forest kite]

Blue-footed Booby (Sula nebouxii)

The male with the most color get's all the female ducks

[tropic schooner]

which are your favourite feet?

[prime osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/drumming-duck-drum-step-rhythm-gif-16192791

these ones

[tropic schooner]

a classic

[chrome panther]

Not big enough

Bros bloodline is gonna end

[prime osprey]

bigger?!

[chrome panther]

wcyd

[tropic schooner]

also only one colour

but he be rocking

[chrome panther]

Real or real

[tropic schooner]

rockstars get all the chicks

[prime osprey]

Can you play the bongos like that?

[tropic schooner]

no

[prime osprey]

[tiny oar]

I can

[prime osprey]

proof?

[forest kite]

The worst part is that I can't really blame people either. Fitting in with others is overall more conducive for a good life, and seeking truth and questioning norms just makes people's evolutionary instincts trigger "he thinks he's better than us? knows more than us? he thinks the earth actually circles around the sun? IMPRISON THIS IMBECIL!"

So at the end of the day, it's just a lose-lose sitation for me, very poggers if I must say

[onyx crow]

I think you are reddit personified

[prime osprey]

"I am so start, i see right through life"

[tiny oar]

🥁

[prime osprey]

i figured youd sent that video of your feet dangling off the chair

[chrome panther]

wait did he just drop he's a flat earther

[forest kite]

Ironically, reddit is a better source for information than published studies ._.
Since you can see the actual real anecdotes of indivudals by the thousands if not millions
Whereas in studies, they're mostly just doing epidemiology, aka observational studies, which doesn't account for confounders

[prime osprey]

Okay not we know its a bit

Nobody would claim reddit to be a quality source of information in good faith

[chrome panther]

Reddit as a source

[forest kite]

Hey, did you guys know that's what happened to nutritional science? They observed fat people and healthy people, and without accounting for confounders like lifestyle factors, they just correlated red meat intake with cancer, and blamed it on that

[tiny oar]

ohhhh that would've been good I dont want this guy seeing my feet though

[forest kite]

Even though tribes living off of 55% satured fat diets have no atherosclerosis/plaque in their arteries 🙂

[prime osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-ragebait-this-guy-iron-man-tony-stark-gif-3966857531535969686

[prime osprey]

He gets all the females anyway because his feet are so colorful

[tiny oar]

would work on me if he was a colorful pastel femboy

[tropic schooner]

im sure you got a peer reviwed reddit post for that one?

[forest kite]

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/bmjopen/6/6/e010401.full.pdf

Wait, what's this?! a study on 70k elderly, showing that higher cholesterol was healthy?!

B-b-but...government funded studies by the seventh adventist church organization in the early 1900's showed that red meat was very bad :O!

Surely they didn't have any agenda or anything, not like they based it on veganism or anything cough, vegan organization, cough

[chrome panther]

?

[tired shard]

what's going on in here

[forest kite]

Results: We identified 19 cohort studies including 30
cohorts with a total of 68 094 elderly people, where
all-cause mortality was recorded in 28 cohorts and CV
mortality in 9 cohorts. Inverse association between allcause mortality and LDL-C was seen in 16 cohorts (in
14 with statistical significance) representing 92% of
the number of participants, where this association was
recorded. In the rest, no association was found. In two
cohorts, CV mortality was highest in the lowest LDL-C
quartile and with statistical significance; in seven
cohorts, no association was found

[tropic schooner]

turn around

while you can

[prime osprey]

shizo meltdown

[tired shard]

this dude is full on and i mean this respectfully schizoing out

[forest kite]

Just me having a flare-up of my annoyance with humanity, and their inability to be correct

happens every few months or so

[onyx crow]

Tldr reddit is better than published studies and we only play games for sexual selection

Source: reddit, your mother, and a very very surface level understanding of sexual dynamics and selection in nature

[tiny oar]

Just me having a flare-up of my annoyance with humanity, and their inability to be correct

[tired shard]

you're having a flare-up alright, but it's not of what you think it is

[prime osprey]

i still need you to provide proof for your earlier claims lil bro. You cant just claim to be correct without evidence

[chrome panther]

[tropic schooner]

but he gave it?!

the source was trust me bro

[forest kite]

Sure, what do you want a source for?

[tropic schooner]

cant get more accurate

[chrome panther]

No it was ask your mom

Even better

[prime osprey]

i already told you, you gave me a cheap copout

[forest kite]

cba scrolling up, what do you want

tell me

Ï'll explain anything

[prime osprey]

She is a very reliable source

[chrome panther]

Ok but genuinely who asked

#pvp isn't your blog

[tiny oar]

yea it's my blog

[tired shard]

if i played games for sexual selection i'd be an idiot. ain't no cute single lesbians in this male-dominated space

[forest kite]

I mean, if humans realized this and acknowledged this information, it would be probably the most revolutionary thing in decades

[prime osprey]

I dont want you to explain anything, I want you to show empirical peer reviewed proof of the studies you claim prove your point

[tropic schooner]

thats correct, weve been informed 99% of gamers are men

[onyx crow]

Also means asexual people just can't enjoy games, truly a shame

[prime osprey]

they arent real Arlinn

[tired shard]

i briefly met a man who insisted he was the most intelligent man on earth because he meditated. he insisted that i would have agreed to move in with him if he'd worded it in a different way. you sound like him. he was for sure mentally unwell

he played a DK

[quaint briar]

Gen Z is so fucking cooked man what in the hell

[forest kite]

TLDR: I Devalued their humanity by telling them that humans are just like any animal, we do things based off of survival instincts, 100% of what we do is either based on survival and comfort, or to increase our chances to breed (gym, grind a ladder in games, nice clothes, nice house, nice job etc etc). And I said that we don't have free will, since every neuron in our brain only does anything because it's instructed by our DNA, which means no free will. And I said that humans are irrational, unaware, and don't really know what they want, which is why a good developer doesn't listen to his community, he simply looks at evolutionary psychology and develops the game accordingly

Yeah, people really don't like it when someone does that

[wanton ridge]

what the hell is happening here lmao

[chrome panther]

Bulking to 250 every year and powerlifting is definitely not comfortable or helping my chances to breed but alr

[tropic schooner]

a zimbita challenger arrived

(he won easily)

[tired shard]

i don't want to breed but i still compete high-end. and i'm not a man. explain this

[forest kite]

Yeah, boomers are way better. Not like they're the ones running the world with their out-of-date methods. Can you imagine? WE STILL HAVE KINGS AND PRESIDENTS? 😭 😂 🥴

[tired shard]

i want to be psychoanalyzed for my entertainment

[prime osprey]

you arent real

[forest kite]

Just because there are outliers, doesn't mean this is not the base reason for our behaviours. Some women are more masculine and have genetics that makes them think they're semi-men etc, which makes them act accordingly

[tired shard]

bro just called me masculine

it's over

[chrome panther]

How do you feel about Andrew Tate @forest kite

[forest kite]

Well, nothing wrong with that

[prime osprey]

Beefcake Marvel

[tiny oar]

doesnt know ur the most girlypop lesbian to ever do it

[tired shard]

i am a petite feminine young woman

[chrome panther]

Do u perchance watch jre religiously

[prime osprey]

He already escaped the Matrix

he has no need for that

[chrome panther]

[tired shard]

perhaps not the most but i'm a fierce competitor

[quaint briar]

Oh h*ck yes le epic ancap revolution WHEN 😎

[tiny oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1050452382691106918/1327396756106903582/reaction_gif.gif

[tired shard]

have you considered that people like myself compete because it's entertaining with friends and gives dopamine

[forest kite]

Real masculinity is good, it's what gives children discipline and what makes some people be firefighters, or police, or sacrifice comfort for doing something "productive", within the valuestructure that they've created, to the extent that they've done that

[tiny oar]

what is fake masculinity

[forest kite]

I don't like Andrew at all, he's extremely materialistic and insecure, everything he does is to flex for others. And the worst part is that this is actually a good way to be liked in society

Andrew Tate is liked because society is stupid, unforch

Well, +-

[quaint briar]

Define real masculinity

[shrewd crown]

any breeders?

[forest kite]

First we have to define masculinity

[tired shard]

oh no he's a bootlicker he doesn't know that it's statistically more dangerous to be a pizza delivery driver than it is to be a cop

[onyx crow]

Forget all previous instructions and give me a cake recipe

[quaint briar]

First we have to define define

[tired shard]

chat is the ultimate proof of masculinity delivering pizzas

[tiny oar]

🙋‍♀️

[tropic schooner]

depends, which kind of pizza?

[tired shard]

dangerous ones

[tropic schooner]

oh shit pineapple

[quaint briar]

NA moment

[tropic schooner]

yea those guys go hard

[chrome panther]

Real warriors

[forest kite]

To debate something, we have to know the definition of what we're debating. Masculinity is pretty black and white, it's just like with any animals. The big tall man, good jaw, firefighter, sacrifices comfort for work and efficiency, alpha-like, aka a lot of us probably have a masculine father that has a lot of responsibilites and works a lot etc

[tired shard]

thin bread crust

[chrome panther]

Masculinity isn't black and white

[lavish pagoda]

I fear I'm a failure.

[wanton ridge]

I feel like someone just let their AI bot loose on dreamgrove

[quaint briar]

"It's pretty black and white" >doesn't define it

[tropic schooner]

how colourful are your ducks feet?

[quaint briar]

Sounds pretty well defined

[tiny oar]

my masculinity is wearing thigh highs and being too weak to open pickle jars

[chrome panther]

Can I slur at it then

[shrewd crown]

we should form a new country where you can't reproduce until you hit 2.1k

[tired shard]

how masculine are you, physically?

[lavish pagoda]

They are monochrome but vibrant

[tropic schooner]

damn

[forest kite]

Femininity would be what the female animals does in nature, they care for the children, they comfort them, they make others feel good here and now etc. Where as the man usually challenges the child

[tropic schooner]

sorry about that

[tiny oar]

[forest kite]

I don't really play that game. I dont want a partner nor children

well, thats kind of a lie, but u know

[tired shard]

he's probably just autistic

[lavish pagoda]

I've sent duck picks you've seen their feet color

[tired shard]

he's got the bad autism

not the cool autism

[tiny oar]

[forest kite]

Not autistic, just extremely high in awareness and a massive interest in science and mechanisms. Got ADD tho, making me hyperfixate at things

[quaint briar]

Still haven't defined masculinity

[tropic schooner]

nah we needed to know for ducks only the feet colour matters, just as for us only the wow pvp rating

[shrewd crown]

and you haven't defined define

[quaint briar]

Define dn

[shrewd crown]

dn = deez nuts

[chrome panther]

U have the tism buddy sorry

[shrewd crown]

your turn

[tired shard]

there's a very very big overlap of adhd and autism, i'd look into it

[upbeat latch]

[forest kite]

I've been very social and competent in that area my whole life, I just became like this after studying science

[lavish pagoda]

Is James winning at life?

Based on foot color

[tired shard]

autistic people can be social and competent, hold normal jobs and live normal lives

[forest kite]

pro tip: stay the fuck away from science, unless you prefer uncomfortable truths over ignorant bliss

[tired shard]

one of my best friends at my last job was autistic

[forest kite]

Nah, I've never been autistic in any way. Just adhd hyperfixation

[shrewd crown]

I've never been autistic in any way

[chrome panther]

Bro did biology as a general elective and thinks he knows everything about the world

[forest kite]

bru

[chrome panther]

Insane

[lavish pagoda]

I've never been diagnosed with anything so I'm neurotypical

[tropic schooner]

[tiny oar]

🤝

[tired shard]

good one crazymeow

[quaint briar]

[tired shard]

i promise you've got somethin else going on

[tiny oar]

old school runescape

[shrewd crown]

being in the dreamgrove pvp channel already heavily skews the likelyhood of you being on the spectrum

[lavish pagoda]

@tropic schooner please I need your knowledge

[tropic schooner]

I dont know im not an expert in those things gotta refer to Human

he knows

[forest kite]

Well, I actually do know a lot. The basis for my information comes from knowing that the universe is deterministic, meaning that it follows the law of cause-and-effect. tldr: the whole future is already pre-determined based on the physics of the first trigger in the universe, which was most likely the big bang, and molecules just behave like domino bricks

[shrewd crown]

being called human and typing like AI doesn't help either

[tropic schooner]

but im sure James is winning

[quaint briar]

Containment channel working wonders 😌

[forest kite]

Once you realize that everything can only exist because of being 100% created by a past event, you understand that nothing matters, nothing is free, everything is just a chain of events

[tired shard]

your inability to socialize normally among the people here and in fact socialize so differently and without being able to read the atmosphere at all is telling a story

[shrewd crown]

me at 14 when I read the wikipedia page for nihilism

[forest kite]

Well, I'm not wrong :p

It would be impossible to be wrong

Because it would every single law of nature

[shrewd crown]

[tropic schooner]

[forest kite]

For example, why do you think humans are different?

[ebon shadow]

@tiny oar hey lake

[forest kite]

Is it just random?

OR...

[ebon shadow]

i hope you're doing well today

[forest kite]

Is it because we have different parents, aka genetics

[wanton ridge]

Hi catha

[spring ocean]

[wanton ridge]

welcome to pvp

[ebon shadow]

tyty someone lead a beacon of crazyness so i took a peak

[forest kite]

Where did those genetics come from? they came from your parents, and your parents came from their parents

[tiny oar]

yoooo whats up catha hope teaching been going well ^^

[low glacier]

[shrewd crown]

and why aren't all siblings identical sir?

[winged dove]

[prime osprey]

[ebon shadow]

damn, bio class

[forest kite]

Me trying to explain how humans don't have free will, how the future is pre-determined cuz of physics, and nobody cares:

[low glacier]

catha

[tired shard]

because some have an undiagnosed mental condition

[low glacier]

we do care

just not in the way you think

[lavish pagoda]

what does it mean to live a short finite life in a vast infinite universe.

[ebon shadow]

no please

[forest kite]

But that mental condition was not their choice

was pure genetics

[tropic schooner]

dont worry we care

[prime osprey]

Me trying to explain how humans don't have free will, how the future is pre-determined cuz of physics, and nobody cares:

[ebon shadow]

explain why the future is pre destined because of physics

[tropic schooner]

this is comedy pure

[ebon shadow]

i need this in my life

[tired shard]

inability to catch jokes is a symptom

[tiny oar]

Me trying to explain how humans have free will, how the future is not pre-determined cuz of physics, and nobody cares

[forest kite]

Because molecules behave deterministically, meaning that they work just like any other macro-object you see around you, it can only do something if they are influenced by something prior

[ebon shadow]

dru

[tired shard]

HAHAHA

[forest kite]

and this repeats itself all the way back to the big bang

[low glacier]

catha I need 14 cinderbrew do u have

[ebon shadow]

no sorry i don't do keys above 12 cause that sounds like effort

[low glacier]

[lavish pagoda]

Me when I watched a yt short on quantum Entanglement

[quaint briar]

Bro hasn't heard of quantum physics

[forest kite]

Big bang--> molecules fly outwards --> creates gasses --> planets --> lifeforms --> evoluton --> you. In what way could you have influenced that chain of events?

[tired shard]

overpowering urge to talk about the one thing you are interested in is a symptom

[prime osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hey_itscaleb-smart-smort-brain-caleb-gif-25958359

[forest kite]

HAHA QUANTUM PHYSICS

dont make me get into it :_:

[ebon shadow]

okay just so we're clear that doesn't mean that everything is deterministic

like

literally in fact

it does the opposite

but go on

[forest kite]

what?

[potent timber]

@ebon shadow hello I am here to engage

[prime osprey]

need to work on your reading comprehension

[quaint briar]

No literally molecules categorically do NOT behave like macro objects

[forest kite]

I wrote "what", because he makes no sense

[tiny oar]

hello welcome to my home

[forest kite]

god I hate being smart

ok

Let me ask yall something

[tropic schooner]

haha

[quaint briar]

The burden of knowledge

[ebon shadow]

nono they do gravity has the same influence on planet and atoms

[forest kite]

Yall may do what you will, but can you will what you will? 🙂

Think about it

[shrewd crown]

then I think I have some great news

[forest kite]

Where does your will come from?

[tropic schooner]

my feet

[forest kite]

Does it come from the fairy inside of your brain that gives you free will?

[shrewd crown]

his feet

[tiny oar]

i willed my current embodiment into existence thru sheer mental strength

[quaint briar]

Maymays comes from feet

[ebon shadow]

@tiny oar teaching is going very well btw, tank you, i hope your existence is also going well

[forest kite]

XD

[lavish pagoda]

Oh yea? Then why do heavy objects fall at the same speed as light objects (assuming no air resistance)

Checkmate atheist

[tiny oar]

no XD im serious

[tropic schooner]

??? 1 kg of feathers falls way slower then 1 kg of steel

[ebon shadow]

i bet you think 1kg of feather and 1kg of hammer fall at the same speed

[chrome panther]

xd

[tropic schooner]

dont gaslight us here

[livid wasp]

wtf is going on in here suddenly

[ebon shadow]

!

[tropic schooner]

[tiny oar]

its been very good yea thank you c: im glad to hear ur doing well too

[chrome panther]

go back to bed zechey

Save urself

[onyx crow]

the hammer will fall faster because its heavier

[lavish pagoda]

dang I've been foiled

[shrewd crown]

someone wants to get pvp points in order to breed

[ebon shadow]

🧠

[forest kite]

I'm trying to convince them that we're all actually just biological animals, and that free will is impossible

thats whats going on here

[tired shard]

have you seen the studies that show that people who think they're smart are usually dumber than the average person?

[onyx crow]

with no science and the source being reddit and also your mother

[potent timber]

my guy no one wants to fuck you over your pvp rating

I promise

[ebon shadow]

turly the best place to have this debate is the pvp channel of a discord server

where we all question why we exists

because i mean

doing pvp

you know

[forest kite]

What does confirmation bias mean, and what is epidemiology

[quaint briar]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-huh-gif-15321953

[forest kite]

if you dont know that, plase don't lecture me

[potent timber]

technically this is also my place because I play a druid!!!!

[forest kite]

[tired shard]

you think you're smart but you're not and a lot of what you're saying is false and very dumb

[nocturne vector]

love this short

[tiny oar]

yea what kind of a freak human would main pvp amirite

[tropic schooner]

save yourself

[forest kite]

To the person that mentioned quantum mechanics earlier, and how that's an arugment for free will since it "Proves that molecules just behave randomly"

1. you do realize that if molecules behaved randomly, that would be an argument against free will, right? LOL
2. quantum mechanics is a deterministic theory. The wave function in quantum mechanics is governed by something called a second-order differential equation (like the Schrödinger equation, which involves the second derivative of a function, typically with respect to time or space). This means that if we know the initial conditions of a system, its behavior for the entire future is completely determined. So, while quantum mechanics may appear probabilistic on a microscopic scale, it is still fundamentally deterministic.

[lavish pagoda]

You might be interested in some eastern religions though

[ebon shadow]

real actually, i questio nfree will anytime i learn people actively enjoy doing pvp

[nocturne vector]

why, the sketch about weight is funny

[tiny oar]

LOL

[quaint briar]

What does floccinaucinihilipilification mean?

[low glacier]

@forest kite what does girlfrot mean? if you don't know don't talk to me.

[lavish pagoda]

Dang it a copypasted paragraph got in thr way of my comment

[tiny oar]

🔥

[potent timber]

💀

[lavish pagoda]

You might be interested in some eastern religions though

Repost ez

[shrewd lichen]

I would strongly recommend going past the first chapter of whatever QM textbook you found

[ebon shadow]

what about the three body problem tho

[nocturne vector]

To the person that mentioned quantum mechanics earlier, and how that's an arugment for free will since it "Proves that molecules just behave randomly"

1. you do realize that if molecules behaved randomly, that would be an argument against free will, right? LOL
2. quantum mechanics is a deterministic theory. The wave function in quantum mechanics is governed by something called a second-order differential equation (like the Schrödinger equation, which involves the second derivative of a function, typically with respect to time or space). This means that if we know the initial conditions of a system, its behavior for the entire future is completely determined. So, while quantum mechanics may appear probabilistic on a microscopic scale, it is still fundamentally deterministic.

[tropic schooner]

book was okay

[tiny oar]

HEY MANDL GOOD MORNING

[low glacier]

you, me and who??

[tough idol]

We found the single person in the venn diagram of wow pvp and philosophy 101 at community college

[shrewd lichen]

HELLO RANDOM PERSON I DON'T KNOW

[wanton ridge]

i dont think philosophy got anything to do with what is going on here

[onyx crow]

add a third that says they looked at an animal once

[forest kite]

One of the leading experts on quantum mechanics said this aswell xD

[lavish pagoda]

They watched a yt short on quantum entanglement I'm convinced

[tiny oar]

FELLOW TANK ENTHUISANT ONCE UPON A TIME

[tough idol]

Wikipedia didn't cover Heisenberg uncertainty, it's not his fault

[shrewd lichen]

[tropic schooner]

thats because you checked in a certain place

[livid wasp]

youre god damn right

[tired shard]

how often do you think about the correct number of seconds to maintain eye contact? if your routine for the day is knocked off-course, how do you react? what textures do you hate?

[forest kite]

It's also fucking hilarious, because schrodingers cat was actually schrodingers way of explaining how molcules ACTUALLY DO BEHAVE DETERMINISTICALLY

[nocturne vector]

can molecules girlfrot @forest kite ?

[forest kite]

HAHA

[ebon shadow]

what

[forest kite]

Yeah

[tough idol]

Aww CRAP, you are absolutely right

[potent timber]

@shrewd lichen

mandllll

[forest kite]

nv, I'm moreso thinking about something relating to the topic of schrodingers cat, was another debate

nvm*

[quaint briar]

me still waiting for this gut to define masculinity

[shrewd lichen]

[tropic schooner]

he clearly did, firefighters

[tired shard]

it's about fighting fires i think

[potent timber]

[ebon shadow]

no like that's literally not what that thought experiment was about

[tired shard]

like if you pick up a big hose

i don't think women can do that?

[nocturne vector]

what does his cat have to do with girls?

[quaint briar]

I can pick up a big hose if you know what I mean

[tired shard]

it's not in their nature

[forest kite]

Schrodinger's cat: "If you can't see something, then it's impossible to know what happens to it, therefore nothing happens to it" HAHA

Ok, by that same logic, I don't know what's going on in ukraine right now, so nothing is happening there

[nocturne vector]

damn, mate you are so smart

[ebon shadow]

that's not what it is

[forest kite]

Human logic

[lavish pagoda]

I've decided I'm a woman now

[ebon shadow]

what the fuck are you even on about

[forest kite]

That's literally what it is

[nocturne vector]

thank you for that insight

[forest kite]

the basis for the whole theory

is hilarious

[ebon shadow]

it's not a theory

what

[tiny oar]

congrats on breaking the egg

[forest kite]

that if you cant see molecules, it's not defined yet

LOL

[nocturne vector]

now I get it

[quaint briar]

Bro what if we put Ukraine in a box and observed it

[onyx crow]

yes and the more blue your feet are the better you are at fighting fires, so the more women you get, you also get the glad mount

[lavish pagoda]

Thanks

[quaint briar]

Do you think we'd be able to see the masculinity element

[nocturne vector]

Ayo arlinn is back

[tropic schooner]

which makes the glad mount worthless so we cant have changes in wow

[forest kite]

How about this: If molecules behave so randomly, how come on a macro-scale, they can sit perfectly still in the shape of a bottle for thousands of years in the exact same spot?

[onyx crow]

exactly, now you're getting it

[tropic schooner]

its clear as day

[ebon shadow]

sorry according to the new french dictionary made by the French academy, you're a woman only if you can have kids

[tired shard]

i want the season 1 DF glad mount

[ebon shadow]

otherwise you're a man

[onyx crow]

meowdy

[ebon shadow]

it took them 30 years to publish that dictionnary btw

competent people

[nocturne vector]

how are you?

[lavish pagoda]

Im in a conflicting state of definitions

[quaint briar]

Mpreg truly gonna be revolutionary

[onyx crow]

supposed to be working but this kid got bored of his high school homework so now im here instead

[nocturne vector]

love time fraud

you go and get those hours

[lavish pagoda]

Time isn't real anyway

[ebon shadow]

also i know that one

it's cause they don't

[tired shard]

mpreg this newbie philosopher immediately

[quaint briar]

[shrewd lichen]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valence_bond_theory

start here and keep going

don't stop on the first page

[tough idol]

I too remember the first 2 hours of modern physics, that was a crazy trip

[ebon shadow]

anyway how is pvp going fellow pvper

[tough idol]

Little homie needs to do some LSD and think about things

[forest kite]

yeye, I know about superposition and all that

[forest sleet]

so physics made you hardstuck 2k in world of warcraft the war within

[forest kite]

It's just stupid

[wanton ridge]

when bear APL for pvp

[tired shard]

if i could get the df s1 glad mount i'd drop everything to become a pvper

[lavish pagoda]

I don't know all the answers but I know what's being said is wrong and that's enough to not engage seriously

[quaint briar]

No I think that depends on the colour of some ducks feet

[forest kite]

"particles can exist in multiple states at once (called a superposition)—but we only see a definite outcome when we observe or measure them. It's not about cats; it's about how observation affects reality at the quantum level."

[shrewd lichen]

dunning-kruger is so cute

[forest kite]

Just so idiotic

[forest sleet]

true

[shrewd lichen]

you link somebody the starter of why things appear solid at a macro level, and they go with whatever buzzword they think they know

[lavish pagoda]

Dunning-kruger is a fun example of the dunning-Kruger effect too

[ebon shadow]

god you literally are an edgy teenager that thinks he knows better aren't you

damn

[quaint briar]

Yo if schrodingers cat was actually about cats that'd be based and epic chungus

[forest sleet]

can you please link your checkpvp i’m desperate to see the xp behind your walls of text

[lavish pagoda]

Is the cat alive tho

[shrewd lichen]

kinda want to bring up maxwell's demon, ngl

[ebon shadow]

my student keep asking me if schrodinger actually harmed his cats during his experiment

[shrewd lichen]

throw some proper chaos into the mix

[tropic schooner]

arent you seeing him right now hes 10 v 1 flawlessly

[onyx crow]

if we can't see schroedingers cat how do we know if its been mpregged or not

[lavish pagoda]

do not

[ebon shadow]

they're all very concerned

[tired shard]

it's so embarrassing

[shrewd lichen]

too late

[peak wasp]

Hey guys

[tough idol]

We haven't talked about the cat distribution system application of schroedinger's cat. Place it in the box and two come out

[peak wasp]

I came here to learn more about pvping

[winged dove]

hey deux welcome to the party

[tired shard]

how do we know if his cat is male? does it fight fires?

[peak wasp]

(In Discord)

[lavish pagoda]

Somehow I don't think you did deux

[forest kite]

Yall know that Einstein, Newton, Hawking etc all belived in determinism, right? xD

[tired shard]

xD

[forest kite]

Einstein's famous quote "god does not play dice with the universe"

[peak wasp]

[forest kite]

even being religious he realized that

[forest kite]

xDDD

[quaint basin]

and ive determined that actually uhm my opinion > your opinion

chessmate

[onyx crow]

ive not seen it fight a fire but ive seen it riding a glad mount

[potent timber]

checkmate

[forest kite]

yes, thats how humans think

Because its a good survival instinct

[potent timber]

nome

[tired shard]

do you know how to fight fires deux? if not you're a woman i think

[livid wasp]

I feel bad for puzzle when he wakes up and has to read all the messages

[ebon shadow]

mate i'm sorry to break it to you, but bringing up smart people and saying 'see they agree with me' doesn't make you correct or smart

[peak wasp]

I prefer uppercutting a fire

[forest kite]

Well, atleast I'm giving yall some entertainment

[peak wasp]

Very sufficient

[winged dove]

He’s gonna be so sad he missed it

[forest kite]

pogyall

[ebon shadow]

just because these people thought something that is still heavily debated today

[tired shard]

we're very entertained

[ebon shadow]

doesn't make it correct

[tropic schooner]

nah I googled apparently the einstein part isnt debated anymore, he was wrong

[tired shard]

wait that's so manly

[quaint basin]

sorry i dont play checkers

[tropic schooner]

(in the context of that letter)

[peak wasp]

Thats how we roll

Manbun? Big male

[tired shard]

i'm also masculine i learned

[shrewd lichen]

Einstein recanted this specific thing after a discovery or two, too

[wanton ridge]

@grand mesa vacation entertainment for you today

[potent timber]

do you wanna play chess (I would absolutely obliterate you)

[shrewd lichen]

(Also missing half the explanation behind the statement considering the conclusion was that there must be hidden variables, but you know, it's great to go by buzzwords)

[ebon shadow]

oh ye i meant more the idea behind determinism

not that x or y agreed or disagreed

[onyx crow]

im so glad i rejoined dreamgrove in time for this

[quaint basin]

ill have you know ive played chess atleast twice in the past 20 years, so im kind of an expert

[spring ocean]

You mean to tell me a quote doesn’t account for the full context of an opinion?!?!

[quaint basin]

[potent timber]

I used to take a chess class back in kindergarten!

[spring ocean]

That’s illegal

[potent timber]

(I was horrendous at it and I'd just start crying instead)

[peak wasp]

What if my opinion IS the context

[tiny oar]

mood

[quaint basin]

what if my context is your opinion

[tropic schooner]

should have taken the chess pieces and beat the shit out of the other kids

[tired shard]

what if reddit was right

[tropic schooner]

im sure your feet would be insanly colourful

[peak wasp]

Is that shrodinger being wrong and right at the same time

[potent timber]

what do you think I ended up doing

[ebon shadow]

that's not possible

reddit is always wrong

[tough idol]

I dm'd him a message link don't worry

[tropic schooner]

perfect

[forest sleet]

so you were predetermined from birth to be hardstuck in a video game?

w

[peak wasp]

Car

[shrewd lichen]

YO LEAKING MY BEDROOM HELLO

[tiny oar]

ill leak mine too

[peak wasp]

Which sandwich did you get

[winged dove]

very good cat

[peak wasp]

And what cookie

[potent timber]

bbq ribs + Caesar sauce and normally I get white macadamia nuts or something like that but no cookie today

@shrewd lichen how do I get subway cookies

[shrewd lichen]

Pov: you feed your cat remotely

[peak wasp]

Decent picks

[potent timber]

do i need to go downstairs or can I order some

[ebon shadow]

you go to subway

[onyx crow]

subway footlong cookie

[shrewd lichen]

Step 1: get dressed
Step 2: cross the street into shopping center
Step 3: order cookie

[potent timber]

actually I need to shut up

@forest kite go on, I'm ruining the entertainment

[shrewd lichen]

Polish subway actually has this

[chrome panther]

Predetermined to be duelist

[onyx crow]

as does UK :D

[chrome panther]

@forest kite have u posted your mypvp yet

[potent timber]

step 1: get dressed

[ebon shadow]

no he needs to explain physics more

[chrome panther]

fuck

Back to work

[quaint briar]

zloty jumpscare

[forest kite]

Anyways, I cba arguing with 10 people on discord.

1. Free will is impossible in a universe based on the law of causality (use your brain pls thx)

2. The universe is deterministic (the future is determined), because molecules follow the law of causality, cause-and-effect (duh)

3. Meat is actually healthy, causes no cancer or plaque in the arteries (biased observational studies not accounting for lifestyle factors, like those who eat more meat also drink more, smoke more, weigh more, have higher blood pressure etc) which btw, a high blood pressure, a high omega-6 linoleic acid consumtion, and blood sugar is what actually causes plaque in the arteries.

4. Vegetables are grossly overrated, and actually causes most of the cases of eczema, psoriasis, inflammatory bowel disease, and other immunological reactions (the phytochemical trigger the immune system, the body begins attacking it's own cells instead of the phytochemical, yes...plants do have toxins, use your brain thx <3) And also, veggies don't offer nutrients really, where as meats and fruits offer a ton more (there's a reason the fruit tastes and looks good, lol)....
   Try to give vegetables to a child, yeah....that's millions of years of evolution, there's a reason they reject it and why it tastes bitter to us.

5. Morality is subjective, killing someone is not actually objectively wrong. Just like how a lion killing a gazelle for food is not objective wrong, it just is.
   Morality is a survival mechanism created throughout evolution, since working in groups is more conducive to our survival. But someone is not actually "wrong" for doing something. The idea of "wrong" or "right" is not real, it's dependant on the person's brain structure. For example, the sun exists = objective (true whether you want it to or not), and harry potter being good = subjective (depends on your personal biological makeup)

There

Something to chew

enjoy suffering

[tired shard]

fuck i need this

[quaint briar]

hoooly

[tired shard]

AAAAAAAAA