pvp

[late wraith]

i would not even attempt that

highest timed rn is still 14?

that might have gone up

[clear pulsar]

I just have weakauras doing that

[late wraith]

i heard the 11-12 jump is deranged

[wanton ridge]

we went in with the mind set of "Let's have some fun, and stop when we just keep dying"

[clear pulsar]

Plater also can edit the default personal health bar

[wanton ridge]

Yes 11->12 had the usual +1 key scaling, plus 20% damage/hp

[clear pulsar]

I used plater for it before I decided to make my own WA hub

[quaint rapids]

11-12 is effectively what going from a 21 to a 24 was previously

[velvet quest]

I have weakaura for chi and energy but idk how I’d end up tracking my own health bar

[clear pulsar]

This is beyond me for sure rn but I'm happy to report I finally timed a 10 GB

[late wraith]

yucky

[grand mesa]

I’m really happy with their change

[wanton ridge]

plus you lose the buffs from affixes, some are huge

[clear pulsar]

And I did big dam while at it

[grand mesa]

8 for gilded is good

But keep 10 vault

[viscid remnant]

absurd defiance

[grand mesa]

But there’s sensible gear progression now

[late wraith]

yeah they had to fix that

[quaint rapids]

I mean, we didn't have helpful affixes in prior seasons so

[wanton ridge]

Nice. That dungeon can go either way any time you run it lol

[late wraith]

now we're fine. now i'll do little 8s and upgrade my little gear

[grand mesa]

think there was a ton of fucks stuck at 7s and 8s at 619

with no recourse

[velvet quest]

I should apply for groups and say +13 key exp since I did 27 blackrookhold would I get insta invites

[clear pulsar]

Nothing wrong with that

[quaint rapids]

I think the new affixes are pretty good other than the void emissary one. I'm mixed on the 15sec death timer

[clear pulsar]

The void emissary that you kill?

[quaint rapids]

Adding a 40m HP add to the dungeon every 90 seconds is just not a good design

[late wraith]

angry's static group did 10s with their piss gear and i was like damn. nope

[velvet quest]

Puzzle I was like 612 or 13 on Tuesday I just simple did not want to key. I was using heroic dungeon trinket at 593 still

[random patrol]

"posts about putting shadowmeld on a shared cooldown with trinket in a guild discord that's 95 percent nightelves"

[clear pulsar]

I think they'er all better than the orbs

That you intercept

[quaint rapids]

Yes

[wanton ridge]

agree, emissary one is garbage. Current one is kind of bullshit if you have a shaman, its a non-affix 100%. And yep, 15 seconds off timer is bad, losing timer because of deaths shouldn't even be a thing

[clear pulsar]

The orbs that close in are so shit in some spots

[quaint rapids]

Nah you're cooked if you think orbs is worse than emissary

[random patrol]

only pissed off one night elf

goal still achieved

[quaint rapids]

Orbs are definitely not as good as the dispel or the cc one

[clear pulsar]

Emissary dies in 3 seconds to random cleave

[quaint rapids]

It definitely doesn't

[wanton ridge]

Except when they don't

[late wraith]

the thing i like about orbs and emissary is they show up at the most inopportune times

like girl now? the boss is dead?

okay?

[quaint rapids]

40m HP every 80 seconds increases the dungeon timer substantially.

Also IT FUCKING SPAWNS AFTER COMBAT ALL THE FUCKING TIME

[late wraith]

yeah it's useless

just slows everything down

[quaint rapids]

It also desyncs trinkets

[wanton ridge]

the current one is really funny. I join a +10 on my shaman. "Hello guys, <Tremor Totem> <Poison Cleansing Totem> I'll do all the work, enjoy the ride, nice to meet you!"

[quaint rapids]

The current one is fine

The razageth orb one is really good

[wanton ridge]

thats the worst, specially on specs like feral where your 2mins are all your damage lol

[quaint rapids]

Yep

[clear pulsar]

It has 14M hp on a 10

'-'

[wanton ridge]

berserk/voke being desync's with skardyns -> feels bad

[clear pulsar]

Not 40

[quaint rapids]

Ok

[late wraith]

pugging keys as a healer what on earth

[quaint rapids]

14 m every 80 seconds

[late wraith]

oxez you're a GAMER

oxez is a fuckin gamer it's crazy

[wanton ridge]

elemental tho

[late wraith]

oh ewps

still a gamer

[wanton ridge]

i play the 3 specs though, shaman is OP

[clear pulsar]

Yeah it's ok, you were only off by 200%

[wanton ridge]

It was at 40M for a little bit last week

[velvet quest]

14m every 80 seconds but how much dmg is your group doing every 80 seconds? 14m is piss amount of extra dmg to do and then you get cdr right? Like I don’t see how that’s bad at all

[wanton ridge]

then it got rectified real fast

[clear pulsar]

I hate cdr too

Desyncs and in general just big variance in value between dif specs

[quaint rapids]

Except the CDR works wonky

[velvet quest]

It could give me no cdr and I still wouldn’t be too mad about it

[quaint rapids]

Obviously it's not as bad as sanguine

[late wraith]

i miss the old affixes 😦

sanguini

[quaint rapids]

But it's very disruptive, and adding extra HP+ dr to packs makes dungeons take longer

And it's spawn rules suck

[wanton ridge]

Emissary was annoying when you had prio targets during either trash or boss that needed to die asap, and then you had to swap (some classes have ramps)

[quaint rapids]

OH BOY NOW I HAVE TO SPEND ANOTHER 5CP TO RIP WHEN I SHOULD BE BITING

SO FUN

[clear pulsar]

Emissary was annoying when it was 200% more HP to kill through than it actually is

Which it was for about 2h on wednesday

[wanton ridge]

arakara first boss for example, we run all melee because we monkeys, all melees are on adds, emissary spawns on me (tank, on boss), oh well ok now everyone got to go back, adds are sstill closing in, bleh

[quaint rapids]

My point is compared to the other affixes, emissary is a substantial impact on the key length

[velvet quest]

Using finisher 1 instead of finisher 2 this is awful how could this be happening to me

[quaint rapids]

The other affixes make the key take longer if you fail the mechanic

Void emissary just makes them take longer period

That's why it's bad

[clear pulsar]

Should be noted

[wanton ridge]

but good news, they are actually tuning these quite well so far

[clear pulsar]

It makes the key take about 1/3 of 'longer' than you thought 5 misn ago

[wanton ridge]

wish some dungeon changes would have happened a bit faster but in general its pretty decent

[clear pulsar]

Fucking 40M absorb

[quaint rapids]

Still adds time to the key

And pair that with one wipe being basically a brick

Doesn't feel good

Fwiw, I still think the emissary is a better affix than almost any affix prior to this season

[clear pulsar]

I think it'd be cool if the buff was more valuable for everybody

The cdr just isnt it

[wanton ridge]

cdr affecting trinkets would be a first move

[quaint rapids]

I mean all they have to do is make it also effect trinkets

[wanton ridge]

I loved it playing as enhance

[quaint rapids]

Permanent dogs

[wanton ridge]

except my trinket but i just send on cd anyway there lol

[quaint rapids]

Enh benefits from it a ton because you stack the CDR on dogs which makes you get more hero talent procs which makes your CDR more

[wanton ridge]

enhance's biggest weakness I have experienced is when you have tempest ready for a pull, what generally happens if I press it then I die to ripping agro due to doing 20mil damage in one button

[quaint rapids]

Funny enough, if feral was built like last season, this affix would be pretty decent

Errr

Season 2

S3 we did convoke with ashes

[wanton ridge]

I keep wanting to try incarn for keys but

+5 seconds doesnt seem worth

[quaint rapids]

Incarn is so bad

[wanton ridge]

its funny they did a 50% duration for all specs, except guardian, because that'd mean change the spec tree (which hasn't changed since aberrus xd)

[quaint rapids]

I wonder if incarn would be worth it they brought back the random procs as the augment node

(for feral)

[wanton ridge]

augment node for incarn: +10 seconds duration

🤔

i dont think people are playing 1min voke either right

[grand mesa]

I love void emissary

[random patrol]

druid class tree is great though I mean look at the capstones the best capstones in the game

[quaint rapids]

They're not

[safe heart]

Do you guys think it's fucked up that you can't play pokemon on your phone at work ?
Give me your opinion down in the comments

[wanton ridge]

[x] It's fucked up

[livid wasp]

you cant?

[safe heart]

Technically you're not supposed to

[viscid remnant]

@clear pulsar do embelishments scale with statbudget on item

like the elemental damgur

if i put it on bigger piece

[clear pulsar]

No

They dont scale with anything, not even ilvl

[clear fox]

How is the cdr thing gonna work with double ns

I assume in the saddest way possible, when we have both stacks up and not used ?

[grand mesa]

@late wraith we do keys sometime?

[viscid remnant]

Ok cool

Thanks for the information

[late wraith]

sure ye

we do pvp sometime?

[edgy shale]

wat i thought embellishments scaled with ilvl

[clear pulsar]

They dont in TWW

[edgy shale]

[clear pulsar]

They might scale with the bonus id given by the type of spark, which I think is what the infurious boots did for instance in DF

But they dont scale with ilvl anymore

Devs scared of blue silken lining

[edgy shale]

yeah i guess its becuase of the spark vs. no spark item

when i first saw this i thought it was ilvl though

[tropic schooner]

@late wraith got my ingenuity enchanter a present

[grand mesa]

Nope

[grand mesa]

That thing got out of hand

How are hpals

[late wraith]

wa daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa heeeeeeeyllllll

[grand mesa]

[late wraith]

come heal me in rated 3v3 player vs player arenas in world of warcraft the war within puzzle pleeeeease

[viscid remnant]

world of warfctraft has begun

[clear pulsar]

Man I didnt even realize today was AWC friday

Oh no supatease

'snuh-pee'

[late wraith]

supatease hates pronouncing things correctly

[grand mesa]

How do u pronounce it…

[clear pulsar]

Correctly

Like snoopy

[grand mesa]

I say it like suppahtease does

snuh-pee

[clear pulsar]

No you fucking dont lmao

[grand mesa]

I don’t call him snoopy

Snuhpy

U don’t call snutz snootz

[clear pulsar]

Sure

But you call snupy snupy

Not snuhpee

They're different names

[grand mesa]

It’s snuhpee I die on this hill

[clear pulsar]

It's not the stupidest hill someone's died on in this chat lately

But it's up there

[clear bloom]

Snoppy

[tropic schooner]

wait theres no way its a short u

[vestal citrus]

Is awc still shit

@stray sigil

[stray sigil]

yes

shit meta

[vestal citrus]

What about the casters

Unwatchable?

[livid wasp]

where are the ferals

[safe heart]

Did they put eiya on the caster team again

[vestal citrus]

Someone worse

Even less knowledgeable

[safe heart]

Supatease ?

[haughty nova]

@clear pulsar how do you pronounce "what's up?"? "what's oop"?

[late wraith]

face

[clear pulsar]

How do you pronounce 'push'

[late wraith]

don't let them gaslamp you like this

[clear pulsar]

"Puh-sh"

[late wraith]

don't let them do this to yo u

[clear pulsar]

Druh-id

[late wraith]

you're right everyone is being wild in here today

[clear pulsar]

Compuhter

[gloomy nova]

Can we do it?

[clear pulsar]

Obviously U is always pronounced the same way

When you're singing the abcs you even sing 'uh' for U

[late wraith]

this is like people who pronounce gif like giraffe

get out of here.

[tropic schooner]

how do you pronounce snoop dog?

same way you pronounce snupy thats right

[late wraith]

isn't that what face is saying though?

[tropic schooner]

also english phonetics

absolute bullshit

[tropic schooner]

yes

face is right

other people are wrong

[late wraith]

good yes

🤝

[tropic schooner]

hes very sane

[late wraith]

maybe the most sane

[polar nymph]

I bicker with him a bit but he's a smart guy.

[late wraith]

mods pin that

[safe heart]

Yea easily

[vestal citrus]

I am

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/94518390546255872/1284345624732635230/fatwizardBlick.gif

[tiny oar]

same

[safe heart]

I'd pronounce it snoo pie

[tiny oar]

snew-pee

[safe heart]

Snoop eye

[late wraith]

snoopy

[safe heart]

Tilde

[late wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/shannonandrew-gif-10703432897313206566

[tiny oar]

idk what emotion this is portraying but I feel it very strongly

[late wraith]

sleepy and same

[gloomy nova]

ok ele/dh has by far been the comp that felt the best this ssn

felt like rdruid was B tier pog

[maiden viper]

dk runs to africa, dies, I can't follow because enemy mage sits mid all game, "just heal"

I'm turning off chat

[robust vigil]

Is crit nerfed heavily in PvP? Its not stated anywhere in game but I've heard players mention it

[clear pulsar]

Crits do 150% damage instead of 200% in pvp. There are a lot of pvp changes that arent explicitly stated but tooltips should update in pvp situations.

[robust vigil]

That's so weird lol. They need to put a debuff on the player or something in the pvp queues that states that lol.

Like ESO has a debuff called battle spirit you get when you're in any PvP area and the sebuff states "reduces healing by X% and reduces health Regen by X%" lol.

Aren't there similar buffs/debuffs in WoW dungeons ?

[late wraith]

yeah the tooltip not updating is silly as hell

[clear pulsar]

There isnt any dungeon specific tuning for anything

[robust vigil]

But like if I have the buff for 15% increased experience on from having 3 max characters. And there's this little box at the top of my screen that says "experience increased by 15%" I guess it could be on a little box/buff like that or something idk lol I don't know what I was thinking of dungeon specific. But PvE in general

Anyways ty for info ik you guys don't design the game

[tropic schooner]

well depends a bit on your definition, tranq/hymn for example are stronger in 5 man groups

[grand mesa]

Atonement in dungeons

[edgy shale]

WROOPOOOPPNG

thats not dungeonsl specific its 5 man group or lower specific

[tropic schooner]

its also in the tooltip

[clear pulsar]

Not anymore

[tropic schooner]

oh that changed?

[clear pulsar]

Yeah they buffed it up baseline but made the healing split past 5 effectively healed targets

[tropic schooner]

so it is still true

but its not in the tooltip

[clear pulsar]

No

[tropic schooner]

but tbh thats also true for essentially any aoe dps spell

[clear pulsar]

They still got buffed up in a raid setting if you only heal 5 people with it like in some phased instance type of mechanic

Which is a change from how it worked before

[tropic schooner]

I still count it as similar

and thats what matters

[clear pulsar]

Maybe you dont know how to count but its not dungeon specific tuning

[tropic schooner]

well even before it wasnt

can solo raids!

[velvet quest]

If you guys need someone to help count I know a math wizard

[grand mesa]

@stray sigil

[velvet quest]

@late wraith

[late wraith]

Hey it’s me I heard there’s some math that needs doing? Alright take care hope this helped

[velvet quest]

Beavs run the numbers

[late wraith]

I need to see the numbers first

[stray sigil]

why am i getting pinged

[grand mesa]

Cause we need a math wizard

[tiny oar]

and u pinged fuji for that ? lol

[grand mesa]

Ofc

u don’t invent feral necro by just clicking random shit and seeing what sticks

[tropic schooner]

0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

[stray sigil]

eral

[tiny oar]

[stray sigil]

why u laughing

[velvet quest]

fuji prob chose necro cause he thought the bones look cool and then he couldnt swap to nightfae

no way he intentionally discovers something good

[stray sigil]

i played that shit in rbgs in sinful pig

[clear pulsar]

I was the first necro feral here

Make no mistake

[amber rose]

hey

I heard feral is very stronk rn

but I'm bad at druid which spec is better to try to rival 1st time as druid rn? still feral or boomy?

[clear pulsar]

Feral in 2s

[clear fox]

That’s a fancy present, how much concentration does that really take. Gotta be >300?

[clear pulsar]

Or any with a good duo in blitz

[amber rose]

2.2k in uhdk if that means anything but I feel stealthers are more difficult

[late wraith]

Hmm interesting interesting

[amber rose]

thanks friends

also has resto healing changed significantly this expansion?

One of my friends is not healing as much as she used to in rbgs and she is wondering what could be going wrong.

last response I got that nothing has changed

[livid wasp]

I think anyone can get rival in blitz just gotta commit to spamming it a million times which most cba

[clear fox]

Resto relatively got weaker, little tree boys ate nerfs, we have low mastery this season vs galactic amounts in s4. Pve Druid has gotten 17% aura buffs… that have not transited to PvP

[grand mesa]

0.5 probably changes a bit

[clear fox]

Not to say Druid is unplayable, def serviceable but not nearly as strong as s4

And yes getting s3/s4 Tier back, Double ns and a flex point will be very nice in .5

But also no nothing has changed rotation wise really

[clear pulsar]

People are banking way too much hope on this s3 tier set idea

Shits ass

[vestal citrus]

u good at math?

or meth

[clear fox]

I mean I don’t think we’re suddenly SSS tier but seems nice

But number man

You saying it’s shit ?

I’m ready to be disappointed like usual

I’m honestly more excited for reforestation to not be worth, so many more points for activities!

[clear pulsar]

Well it's a talent. You arent just gaining the effect. Youre losing another. That's the main thing. I'm not sure how it'll be in terms of ratio to what the set bonus did in pvp, but some people are expecting it to do the 20%+ in m+ that the 2 set bonuses combined for, it's probably gonna be closer to 3-4%

[tropic schooner]

216

[tropic schooner]

with r2 mats

think second best are the boot enchants which cost 172 but are 4-5k profit less so need about 100 crafts for it to be better will take a bit but I believe in the proccs

[clear pulsar]

Also complete shit design

[tropic schooner]

oh should also add, I dont have blue/epic tools on that toon yet

[tropic schooner]

its 184

thats my other toon

[tiny oar]

WAKE UP
NO CUTE FEMBOY FOR MY POLYCULE
COMPLAIN ON #pvp
GO TO SLEEP
REPEAT

[robust vigil]

first day doing arena's on my new rDruid. I know its low MMR. not much but honest work. Ran jungle with some buddies

[tiny oar]

proud of u spidey good work rdru jungle is a vibe I fuck w it

[robust vigil]

🌺 🐈 💚

[robust vigil]

Are rDruids just running the 2pc mostly and rest crafted?

Im not sure whether to buy more tier or not. Alot of druids on Murlock seem to just be doing 2pc

[safe heart]

i thnk theyre running 4pc

[clear fox]

I may need to do this. Got into crafting to make all my own stuff because it was pricey, staying for the money

[bronze cobalt]

is gravity lapse a root or stun dr? Is it a stun?

[random patrol]

alt is getting there

[viscid remnant]

tue

[finite bay]

Man, Corkiri's build has Boomy feeling good again. That buff to BoAT was huge. Starsurge actually slaps again.

[random patrol]

watch boat get changed last second to nerfed again on ptr next week

[finite bay]

Man, I would be bummed af. Boomy has felt bad all expac

[random patrol]

feels good to me def not op as feral but nothing is

feral dumb thicc

[finite bay]

I wish they made it the 40% crit like from Shadowlands.

I remember running the Kyrian build and just double tapping peopel around pillars. so fun

[velvet quest]

all expac, as in the past 4 weeks?

[polar nymph]

Off DR root and knock up.

[random patrol]

cant take all capstones as chicken next patch so prob just drop the stupid fae dragons I guess

well I guess you can take all 3 if you drop boat for goldrinn.........

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/druid/balance/keeper-of-the-grove/DAAANVUVRVVCAkBVVUDAUAAA like that

still testing this new tree

[rustic heath]

Always worth to use primal wrath if 2 targets are in range or? If i can have rip on both, what is best?

Primal runs out so fast

[harsh ore]

solo shuffle is amazing i gain 3 points for winning 3/3 and lose 53 for going 1/6

absolutely fucking shit game

get punished 18x over for having 1 bad game, and i got 15 points for going 4/6

[viscid remnant]

lock in cuh

[harsh ore]

15 points when i win 4/6
53 points lost when i lost 5/6

[viscid remnant]

cr is irrelevant

also i would say in general i wouldnt look at shuffle rate too deeply

ppl are stuck 2.2-2.3

i just spam games to try to improve because its basically impossible to climb

iam bouncing around 1.9 on all my characters atm

any higher is gigasweaty

also today ive done 3 shuffles and ive queued into the same guy every game hahaha

[tardy hare]

+15 for 4/6 and 53 for 1/6 is very normal wtf

Same for normal rated?

If you lose 5 games in a row you also lose like 5x12 rating and gain ~12 from a win

I dont understand how its so hard to comprehend

Each win u do in shuffle is like 10-24 rating and each loss the same

[narrow crane]

How is 3-3 winning?

Also everyone posting howmuch rating they are winning/losing without noting their current rating + mmr don’t really understand how it works ig

[livid wasp]

why doesnt it tell your gear durability in arenas

I just played a shuffle with like 3 items red

600k less hp

[viscid remnant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1204382988033593374.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

u should put repair mount on ur bars

i get on it once every few games

[livid wasp]

why cant they nerf mages

[viscid remnant]

i feel as if the balance is mostly fine

who lnows

[vestal citrus]

lmfao

cooked bro

u dont see the like

dude with the red armor

on ur screen?

[viscid remnant]

no ice

[livid wasp]

no I dont

its really small

[tropic schooner]

Lol

[livid wasp]

small thing next to objectives

I have a 27 inch monitor

[vestal citrus]

u can scale it i believe

make it nice and big

[livid wasp]

cant miss it now

[tiny oar]

bro..

u cant be serious

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[livid wasp]

?

[viscid remnant]

More ppl need to do that

Unironically

I know a guy who queued for like an hour with red gear

I wont name names

[tiny oar]

that is nuts

[tropic schooner]

No one knows if zechey is serious or perpetually trolling

[tropic schooner]

Setting up concentration crafting is faulty easy if you have lvl 70s, don't even need that recipe just doing boots is not bad like 30k/week

[livid wasp]

youre telling me you would instantly see that tiny ass armor thing?

[tropic schooner]

Yes

[livid wasp]

when its yellow it also blends in with the objectives shit

when its red it starts being easier to notice but by that time I might be in the arena already

[viscid remnant]

yes

because i check for it because im not a griefer

[livid wasp]

why is it a thing anyway

such a remnant from classic

[tropic schooner]

ngl thats kinda true

[viscid remnant]

tomfoolery from blizzard

[polar nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854216275462193154/1262365187558871140/caption-14.gif

[livid wasp]

am I missing a lot of dmg by not having any enchants

[robust vigil]

Does feral have an ability similar to rogue vanish

[weary canyon]

incarn can give you a restealth

in combat

but it breaks pretty much instantly from dots unlike vanish

[tropic schooner]

should be quite a lot yes

[robust vigil]

Thank you

[livid wasp]

I think leg enchant the most important, at least its affordable

[tropic schooner]

likely weapon will be biggest

[tropic schooner]

dont you have a ton of honor?

or is the gains really low

[weary canyon]

most enchants went down in price recently

should check again

[tropic schooner]

yea that too

the tinderboxes lost a lot of value

and 2.5k honor is alos aprox 7k gold

so thats one r3 enchant (besides weapon)

[livid wasp]

chest enchant is still like 10k

and nah no honor just had to buy a socket for precog gem

[tropic schooner]

yea fair chest should be around that too

cause you need to concentration craft it

same as weapon

[viscid remnant]

Brokie

Buy enchant

Thats why u feeder

Zdps

I did hours of hard labor to earn my gold

[livid wasp]

I bought leg and rings

[tropic schooner]

where weapon?!

[livid wasp]

im not rich

[tiny oar]

df enchants if ur that much of a broke boy

[robust vigil]

Which caster dps are hardest to kill in your opinion and which caster dps are easiest to kill in your opinion. And if you can try to answer not just from a feral perspective but just generally hard to kill vs easy to kill for most specs

[viscid remnant]

Maybe go farm gold instead of doing skirmishes all day

[strange hawk]

Hardest to kill are the one I’m targeting. Easiest to kill are the ones I heal

[livid wasp]

I just wanna learn how to be really good

[tropic schooner]

now I could understand not having gold if you need pve + pvp items especially with crafted pve

but pvp is so cheap

and you can make so much gold off of honor hsit

• you have infinite queue times for shuffle as dps just do wq

[viscid remnant]

do worldquest or mine

[tropic schooner]

ya

[viscid remnant]

even with how much nullstones have fallen mining is decent gold

[tropic schooner]

stuff going up a bit atm

no idea why

but r1 bismuth already above 31g

[robust vigil]

I troll in my rogue discord alot. And today I made a comment about feral being the 4th rogue spec. And everyone flipped out about how different they are.

So I asked them to name two specs more similar than rogue/feral. Besides potentially Spriest and affl. And someone tried saying ele shaman and destro are more similar than rogue/feral lol. And I'm like IMO ele is like the hardest casters to kill, mobility and tankiness and destro locks are pretty easy kills usually

[viscid remnant]

ppl panic sold last week id guess

[haughty nova]

Reminds me of when people used to call destro locks fire mages without mobility

I feel like I make more gold playing PvP and selling stones than mining. Never measured though

[robust vigil]

First few weeks the best gold I got was doing world pvp. Killing people with bounties or getting air drops gave those algari schematics that all sold for 40k gold. I remember some nights I'd get 4-5 schematics in an hour or two

But now they only sell for like 7-10k

Also using honor to buy the epic schematics too. The light chest sold for like 60k-70k

[tropic schooner]

id be surprised

think mining alone is like 20k-30k/h if mixed with other gathering should be like 40-50k and a gem is ~7k

[viscid remnant]

It takes as a healer 2 6-0 and one 3-3 to get a gem

I dont think pvping is ever better gold

It sure is nice tho

[tropic schooner]

thats not bad at all

but yea time wise dont think it works out but still quite decent

[viscid remnant]

imean thats a pretty long time

[tropic schooner]

ye I know

[viscid remnant]

probably 45-50 minutes

for 7k

[tropic schooner]

yep ~10k/h is quite good

for just doing pvp

[viscid remnant]

thats also assuming u win alot

[haughty nova]

Makes sense. Gathering is too boring I only do it between qs. Probably why I get so little

Pretty sure my prof talents are all wrong too lol

[viscid remnant]

also need gathering equipment and good talents yea

[haughty nova]

At least PvP you don’t need as much money thankfully

[livid wasp]

in df we got ires for doing pvp now nothing

[robust vigil]

I haven't set any yet 🥲

[robust vigil]

Just jacked thumbs 👍 💪

[stray sigil]

sniffs

[tiny oar]

sniffs you

[harsh ore]

Literally same thing happening to me lol

I was 1 cr away from 1950. Then I had that bad game that sent me back 53 points

[harsh ore]

^

See above

I was at 1949

Playing with people that were 2100 cr

That one bad game out of all the SS that I tied ruined my cr lmao

It was against an rsham

Rsham didn’t really do anything special

It was a purely caster lobby though so grounding 🙂

[viscid remnant]

yea but the cr of ppl

dont matter

if u are healer the only thing that matters is mmr of enemy healer

[clear pulsar]

AWC hype

[robust vigil]

I always forget about it cause I work weekends. Ty for the reminder

[late wraith]

You can spend 2500 honor on a vicious bloodstone that sells between 6-7k

you also sometimes get them from the chests

[viscid remnant]

its omegarare i feel as if

unless it somehow scales with your rating but i doubt it

[late wraith]

The drop is low

[viscid remnant]

axtin playing ?

[late wraith]

But 2500 honor is ez

[viscid remnant]

lock in

LOCK IN CUH @stray sigil

[livid wasp]

youre right im just gonna sell bloodstones

fuck sockets

[tiny oar]

hell yea zechey

[late wraith]

I’m full sockets on my main so yeah now I can sell them

It’s almost as if there’s a point where you have all you need

And you can sell the extra

But who knows. Easier to whine about it for sure

[velvet quest]

no thats when i have to get all my alts fully gemmed too

i bet i have alts with more sockets than zechey does he even play pvp

[clear pulsar]

No enchant, no sockets

Fuck that gimme the them gold coins

[viscid remnant]

ihave earned thy illusion

is it time to unsub ?

[late wraith]

This, to me, is gaming

Face doesn’t need sockets he’s pvping and maximizing g/hr

[livid wasp]

teach me david

[stray sigil]

did he lock in

i missed it

[viscid remnant]

helst

to oldman cdew

[tropic schooner]

that just makes sense, gotta use new gems and enchants next seaosn

but gold stays across

its just smart

[late wraith]

gold is forever

[velvet quest]

Not my gold it keeps disappearing

[clear pulsar]

[tropic schooner]

talking gold

I have a lot of stones

[robust vigil]

Kalvish, pikaboo and Drake all on the feral druids this week

Feral truly is the best rogue spec

[velvet quest]

Ent what’s the easiest profession to set up as a concentration dump? Is it enchanting still

[robust vigil]

The glorious sub rework seems to be going well

[livid wasp]

feral doesnt even feel that special

I dont get it

[clear pulsar]

Yeah poor rogues

Perennial underdogs

[robust vigil]

😂

Im not going that far lol. feral deserves their time in the sun. Im more roasting the new band wagon ferals

[velvet quest]

You should ping them to let them know who they are

[robust vigil]

Than suggesting Rogues are some sort of victims

[robust vigil]

I mean drake, pikaboo, and kalvish were all on rogue last week and they are all on feral this week. That's all I was pointing out

Im not going after anyone in this channel

[chrome panther]

doesnt pika play literally every spec

[clear pulsar]

Not even close

[robust vigil]

I thought pika mained rogue

But I could be wrong

[clear pulsar]

Pika has never played anything but rogue at a tournament competitive level

[chrome panther]

i just meant in general

i dont follow pvp much anymore

[robust vigil]

I think drake has history on feral

But he started tourney on outlaw I think

[robust vigil]

I'll save this for the people who have been around and know better. Im too new here

[velvet quest]

Pikaboo pushing 2400 shuffle on his 30 other specs is like me playing placement games on an alt and calling myself a multiclasser

Pikaboo has played some dh and maybe warr in awc but not super successfully I think?

[late wraith]

pikaboo is a resto shaman main

[grand mesa]

@livid wasp

[viscid remnant]

feral nerf inc

[robust vigil]

It's always scary to be the top spec

It's better to be slightly under the radar

[viscid remnant]

imagine the zechey crashout if they nerf feral

[livid wasp]

idk it will probably be the same to me

[tropic schooner]

yes

not even close

mostly cause you get 100 KP in like 30 mins

[velvet quest]

how much gold do u get from full concentration bar if ur like minimum effort setup with green equipment and all that?

[tropic schooner]

no idea

my guess is around 15k

[velvet quest]

15k pretty good, thats over 500k a week if i set it up on 20+ chars

[robust vigil]

So I apologize if this question is misplaced, there may not be an equivalent.

But is there an AWC team equivalent to like the 96 Bulls or 2017 warriors. Like a team who just blew everyone out of the water during their cup run, had multiple 3-0 wins and like was so many leagues better than the next best team

(I'm new to AWC and just kinda want history for context)

Deep lore

[gloomy nova]

Echo

[robust vigil]

Gotcha and they're like still playing at a high level too. So they're like a dynasty team?

They won last week?

[gloomy nova]

idk what that means but they are levels above most teams they are facing

[robust vigil]

Umm my question was about the single best title/cup run of all time.

And echo also seems like a team who has been back multiple times - hence dynasty

So they're like simultaneously the best single title run and also a dynasty ?

[clear pulsar]

Nobody talks about wow teams/players like NBA fandom

[robust vigil]

Sorry if my questions don't fit or make much sense

[clear pulsar]

But sure they were dominant for a few years

[robust vigil]

I was just trying to compare it to terminology I understand

To get a frame of reference

[gloomy nova]

Teams change alot in wow but Method have been very consistent the last 5 years or so maybe more

[robust vigil]

I prefaced by saying my question may be misplaced lol

[gloomy nova]

2 wins 2 runner up i think

[robust vigil]

If Usain bolt was a team and not a person

Echo is Usain Bolt?

[gloomy nova]

Are u ok?

[robust vigil]

More global appeal here than just an American sport lol

[robust vigil]

Why wouldn't I be

I research the history of any sport I get into. So I'm just trying to contextualize AWC history and understand like different juggernauts and stuff. The announcers talk a lot about new teams vs veteran teams but I have no idea what that means

[livid wasp]

can they nerf feral already

I dont wanna play

achieving anything is pointless

if you get glad people will just be like "tww season 1 glad feral lol kek"

[tropic schooner]

the zechey special

whines 24/7 when his spec isnt good

whines 24/7 when it is

[velvet quest]

if thats how u view things maybe u should main a single player game

[late wraith]

we can finally return to classic zechey

[livid wasp]

it still feels like shti to me and not broken but it just feels shit playing it knowing its broken

[tropic schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

[clear bloom]

Do it on Mistweaver Blitz.

Then brag about it. Ez

[livid wasp]

pretty hard to get glad there

[clear bloom]

Nah just play Mistweaver. It's free.

[livid wasp]

worst healer for arena

[clear bloom]

It's actually hpriest.

[livid wasp]

dunno

[random patrol]

anything interesting in today's awc or just more cat stuff

[livid wasp]

the way pikaboo moves as feral is sus its like hes not feral main but rogue main

[late wraith]

huh. wonder why.

[livid wasp]

he just deals dmg I suck at that I feel the need to cc

[harsh ore]

Pika is playing feral?

Damn I need to watch that

Rogue is down bad in PvP (thank god)

[quaint rapids]

are conq trinkets low prio or high prio?

[harsh ore]

They tend to be low prio

[late wraith]

i took conq aspirant's fairly early

i meant

alacrity

i took that one early

[harsh ore]

The most important thing is the 2 set

I always go trinkets first just cuz they’re cheap

It doesn’t matter too much honestly

If you lose a game cuz 1 piece of gear then the problem is you not the gear

[safe heart]

This is based

I'm bracing for the "wow couldn't get free glad with broken spec "

[wintry jackal]

Snupy was doing well last I saw

Feral deserves to be good for once

Rogue and mage have been broken for years at a time

[quaint rapids]

isn't feral 2set kinda dog

i haven't even bothered with tier for pvp yet since it's 2024 and we're still penalized for playing more than one game mode

[harsh ore]

I’m talking about trinket 2 set sorry I should have specified

[quaint rapids]

oh yeah

for sure

i can't afford the helm this week so im just gonna buy a wm one for now

[harsh ore]

Bloody tokens too

Don’t forget

[quaint rapids]

yeah

[harsh ore]

Oh that’s what ur talking about

Haha

[quaint rapids]

almost full purple gear

just need neck+medallion

[wintry jackal]

Feral 2 set isn’t bad is it?

It gives a lot of crit during your burst period

And then 4 set emphasizes it

Top 50 arena players had 2 set before 4 set came

[quaint rapids]

ofc the top arena players will have it, they will have any minor gain

isn't crit pretty mid in pvp though?

4set seems good for pvp but im weeks out from that since i play pve as well

[viscid remnant]

@clear pulsar bivol beterbiev starting soon allegedly

after all these stupid concerts and rappers and shit

[clear pulsar]

Wtf did you just call me

[viscid remnant]

i thought ur a boxing enjoyer

[quaint rapids]

i think blitz is probably the best thing to happen to casual pvp

so much less sweaty than arena

[velvet quest]

Blitz isn’t for casual pvpers, unrated bgs are. You never seen how mad people get when they lose bg blitz?

[quaint rapids]

ok fair

[strange hawk]

Maybe. Never tried it snd probably never will. But if people enjoy it 👍

[quaint rapids]

casual-ish players who want to do rated

as someone who came into wow late, and pvp even later

[strange hawk]

Just SS and PvE. You’ll get a higher cr

[quaint rapids]

arenas are fucking brutal to learn in

[quaint rapids]

not at the moment lmao

[strange hawk]

Probably not right now because it’s a flashy new toy

[quaint rapids]

no, it's because ss has a stupidly low cap for some reason

[velvet quest]

Yeah I agree bgb is good for the game esp for people who get some sort of queue anxiety doing arena or shuffle on a character they’re not super comfortable on. Or if ur a pve main who doesn’t understand the intricacies of drs and defensives and fake casting

[quaint rapids]

it's also less of a shitshow then RBGs were

where they're controlled by like a small number of teams

[livid wasp]

its good if you lose you can blame shit comp

[quaint rapids]

EU has a single player over 2400 in SS

NA has 0

thanks blizzard

[velvet quest]

It’s a really good avenue to improve at the game against players of your skill level who are trying, but u have reduced agency in winning or losing. Which some people hate but I think it’s helps the majority of the bg player base when they don’t dictate the outcome

[quaint rapids]

i mean, you absolutely can win games for your team, but not in the same way you can carry an arena match

but with how arena is currently it's such an insane learning curve i'd honestly never reccomend it.

and even in skirmish, if you don't know what you're doing, odds are you die in 20 seconds and learn nothing from it

[quaint rapids]

you can do that in ss too

[livid wasp]

but ss is more balanced everyone gets to play with the weakest link

[velvet quest]

When a dps is on the other team 4 times and on your team 2 times it doesn’t help that much

[quaint rapids]

or alternatively, the stronger palayer can pull out a win even with that dps on their team

and now you get 0 rating

or even lose rating

[velvet quest]

Not a big difference between shuffle 4-2 and 2-4s vs blitz 1-0 and 0-1s

[quaint rapids]

also, i still think bliz's rating system feels super convoluted

i understand it to an extent, but it doesn't feel good when you're a new player

[livid wasp]

I dont get it, sometimes im in a 2.2k mmr game sometimes im in a 2.6k

[harsh ore]

Yeah

It’s fucked

After Holinka left pvp went down to shit

Just delete it from the game and get it over with

[clear bloom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1g2blrj/just_made_2400_as_a_very_mid_player_who_uses_no/?share_id=oTe2v7paiZzFrNWkqSBT9&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

[velvet quest]

what is this supposed to prove idk why ur pinging me lol

[viscid remnant]

supposed to prove u got a goathead cuh

[clear bloom]

It's for casual players. Unrated bgs is just people afking when their mental booms.

[velvet quest]

its for casual players cause one person who identified as casual got high rated?

some people casually get rank 1 every season i guess r1 3s is for casuals too

good point

[clear bloom]

one player. lol.

[velvet quest]

lol.

[clear bloom]

huh.

[vestal citrus]

Blitz is a fake game mode

[clear bloom]

real

i mean

fake

[vestal citrus]

Inflated egos inflated rating

[clear bloom]

i mean

real

[velvet quest]

its inflated but that doesnt mean its not sweaty

[clear bloom]

can be sweaty and be for casuals.

like gold division in League of legends.

[velvet quest]

if u say so

[vestal citrus]

It’s not real sweaty tho imo

Like you’re not mental fatigue playing blitz you just boot

Boom

Whinging at other ppl

[gloomy nova]

The more players that are in a game mode, the easier it is to be carried.

[vestal citrus]

U can pay phone blitz at high rated blitz

Can’t do that in arena

[velvet quest]

yeah def not the sweatiest pvp bracket not even close, but theres a very clear divide between bgb and actual casual pvp content like world pvp and unrated bgs/skirms

[vestal citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-hola-como-andy-martino-dance-gif-18551524

Blitz player fr

[clear bloom]

idk tbh the clear divide is unrated bgs are just not fun bc there isn't even an ounce of trying.

things have been unplayable for years basically if you want to actually play the map past first 2 minutes.

[dark solstice]

But in unrated BGs you can pop the random consumable pvp pots and zug harder

[clear bloom]

unrated bgs are nothing more than an honor farm

[vestal citrus]

Ya

Whoever has the most fotm dps

Because healers are 0 brain or 0 gear

So just comes down to who 1 taps each other the fastest

[tropic schooner]

absolutely hate that attitude, for some people it absolutely is an achievement to reach sth like gold in league, its all depends on perspective

[velvet quest]

so unrated bgs are too casual for you, got it

[viscid remnant]

Blud who cares

If u dont like it dont play it

Whats this yapping all about

[clear bloom]

i love blitz as a casual experience.

[velvet quest]

blud u yap the most out of everyone why u gatekeeping

[dark solstice]

Tbh my ass is so bad at pvp I'm hard stuck at 1500cr in blitz because it's entirely impossible to win EotS

[viscid remnant]

Say wallah

[wintry jackal]

Dude I had people mad at each other in a comp stomp at szn start lol like legit bannable level bm

[wintry jackal]

Do you play feral?

[tropic schooner]

tbf zeches gets mad when losing duels and id absolutely consider those casual

[jovial coral]

Hi guys i have a problem with my macro :
#showtooltip
/cleartarget
/cast Travel form
/cast wild charge
/targetlasttarget
When I have a friendly target, this macro makes me use Wild Charge on them, then switches to Travel Form.
Can you help me ?

[clear bloom]

Why would you think that I am talking bad about it. Gold is above average.

[dark solstice]

Yah. Forever in the win 2 lose 1 loop.

[vestal citrus]

It’s in the wrong language bro

[clear bloom]

you are better than most people who play the game that is an achievement.

[tropic schooner]

because you are saying its casual, when it really isnt - it absolutely depends on the person playing

[tropic schooner]

you cant guarantee order

[clear bloom]

gold is casual. You still get put in the same lobbies as casuals even though you are gold.

[tropic schooner]

wild charge is off gcd so you cant guarantee it swapping first

[tropic schooner]

thats true for literally any elo

[viscid remnant]

Cuhsual

[tropic schooner]

there will be people playing casually in gm

[clear bloom]

so what is the problem then.

does the word casual scare you or something

[tropic schooner]

well its a useless word then

[chrome panther]

gold isn't casual for like 50% of the playerbase

[tropic schooner]

if you say grandmaster challenger and gold are casual

whats the point of using that word?

[clear bloom]

feel like this is a stop it patrick you're scaring him moment.

[tropic schooner]

you could do a stance check like have /cast [stance:whatever number travelform is] Wild Charge; Travel Form

that probably works

[tropic schooner]

?

[clear bloom]

no it'd be more like saying Twisted Treeline is a fun casual gamemode. Like Blitz.

or Dominion

[tropic schooner]

there were some people playing it competetive too

[chrome panther]

yeah naw i went hard in treeline

[tropic schooner]

especially when you can play it ranked

[chrome panther]

3v3 was peak league

[clear bloom]

the competitive was a joke. Even people at the top accepted it.

much like a lot of people in Blitz.

[jovial coral]

ok i will try. thank you

[chrome panther]

is this a weird attempt at gatekeeping

?

[tropic schooner]

well back in s2 I just queued with 2 friends to get the third diamond icon I absolutely played it casually

but was still high rated

[clear bloom]

Wukong=Win
Mistweaver=Win
duality of games

[chrome panther]

yeah s3 i qued it for fun with irl friends and we got diamond just vibing on weekends

or maybe s2 i forget tbh

literally a decade ago

[tropic schooner]

needed the third 2.2k rating for the very impactful icon

which looks identical

[viscid remnant]

I got diamonds in my bank account

[tropic schooner]

see the differene?

no absolutely not

they look so similar

[late wraith]

it's fun watching people argue league with ent

also david does yap the most of everyone, confirmed

[viscid remnant]

?????

[late wraith]

sorry davey

[viscid remnant]

I barely typed recently

[late wraith]

it's the truth though

[viscid remnant]

I was locked in watching boxin ld

Lad

[late wraith]

did your favorite guy win?

[viscid remnant]

Didnt have a favorite

[late wraith]

what's the point

[viscid remnant]

Was just an entertaining chess match

But beating eachother up

[late wraith]

chess for punching hard

[tropic schooner]

oh chessboxing huge fan

[viscid remnant]

No just normal

[quaint rapids]

The mentality is hilarious

[viscid remnant]

Actual boxers and not lazy streamers

[tropic schooner]

?

chess boxing != streamers

[quaint rapids]

Blitz is fake but the only other solo mode it's literally impossible to get 2400

[late wraith]

no that one warrior got it

i don't know which one

[quaint rapids]

Kek

[tropic schooner]

and chan

[quaint rapids]

Literally impossible except for one warrior*

[late wraith]

was it mud? doesn't matter solo is dead, i hope it rots

[tropic schooner]

chan is in eu

[quaint rapids]

Pvpers not trying to kill pvp mission: impossible

[tropic schooner]

• na currently only one above 2.4

[viscid remnant]

Shuffle is a fun game mode

[late wraith]

how could i possibly kill it

i don't work for blizzard

what am i doing to kill it

[viscid remnant]

I have a few hundred shuffle rounds already

Probably around 400-500

Very entertaining

[tropic schooner]

but just like other season when people complained rating will inflate

[quaint rapids]

I just think the long time pvper mindset of soloq stuff being "fake " is hilarious.

[tropic schooner]

has happened before will happen again

[late wraith]

i don't think it's fake

[quaint rapids]

When every other competitive game has solo q

[late wraith]

i just don't like the mode

i think it's very real

[viscid remnant]

Blitz is fake because i hate battlegrounds

Big true

[quaint rapids]

Sorry I'm projecting

[late wraith]

is okay

[quaint rapids]

It would be nice if ratings meant anything these days

[velvet quest]

the only thing fake about it is maybe citing ur exp during inflated season to come across as a r1 player but thats such a small thing i dont think it really matters

every 3s main also says theyre 3500 exp and they all got theirs the same season too

[quaint rapids]

*it was in bc

[velvet quest]

who cares if shuffle is ever way mroe inflated than 3s or vice versa

[late wraith]

yeah i think this season in particularly no one could argue shuffle is easier

cause it's deflated as shit

[quaint rapids]

The fact that cr /exp means fucking nothing is honestly a huge issue

[velvet quest]

they dont even give u a glad mount for shuffle why do arena mains get mad about shufflers

[late wraith]

i think pvp mains are just mad like all the time

[viscid remnant]

Cuz it siphons activity from 2/ 3s

[quaint rapids]

Because it shrinks the pool of people they can farm glad wins off of by cheesing mmr with a 3rd

[tiny oar]

real

[quaint rapids]

Honestly, I think glad mounts should be much more obtainable. Let titles be hard still but also make them not seasonal

[viscid remnant]

No

[velvet quest]

i think the only thing it really siphons is the player pool in lfg, esp the healers, but anyone doing lfg for arena will complain about how lfg is bad either way so

[quaint rapids]

And blizzard really needs to find a way to make cr mean something between seasons

[viscid remnant]

They should keep it how it is

[quaint rapids]

I don't really have a stick in the game because I'll never be a glad

[viscid remnant]

Activity meaning less 3s games played overall

[quaint rapids]

But I think it's silly

[viscid remnant]

Jusy play for fun

[quaint rapids]

But pvp isn't fun

[livid wasp]

its fun when you win

[quaint rapids]

Real

[clear bloom]

It's fun when I feel like I did my part very well.

[viscid remnant]

If its not fun dont play

[quaint rapids]

#FOMO

[viscid remnant]

Genuinely ive had fun playing shuffle, if i dont i /afk and take a break

[velvet quest]

kinda based david

[quaint rapids]

Idk if I'm cooked or not. But shuffle was a lot more fun when I wasn't sweating my ass off at 1500

[viscid remnant]

I realized this because the cr is so cooked u cant do much anyway than try to have fun

If u sweat at 1.5 ur bad bro sorry

[quaint rapids]

I am

I'm an 1800 andy

[livid wasp]

its nice to play and maybe get in a good mood from winning then stop, but if you lose a deadly loop happens

[late wraith]

i think they are sort of slowly making more stuff attainable across a wider range of ratings

[viscid remnant]

Then u can spam games to gitgud

[late wraith]

like you can get the weapon mog at 1950 now not 2100

[quaint rapids]

Most tilting thing for me is dcing during a match

Especially one you're winning in

[late wraith]

i think glad mount should stay glad mount but other stuff can be introduced, that'd be nice.

[livid wasp]

I dont remember when that has happened to me

[vestal citrus]

Blitz is about as real as flex or whatever it is in league

[viscid remnant]

They made the enchant too easy

[livid wasp]

you dc?

[quaint rapids]

It's my isp

[vestal citrus]

Diamond in that mode = bronze in anything else

[quaint rapids]

Being shit

[viscid remnant]

I got it and it felt meaningless

[quaint rapids]

Not wow

[quaint rapids]

Maybe it's just not for you

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[viscid remnant]

They made it too easy

[livid wasp]

wep enchant is 1950? guess I got it from blitz then kek

[viscid remnant]

I needed enchant to motivate me to grind to 2.1

[late wraith]

oh yeah i saw you got it earlier grats david

[quaint rapids]

How many people get glad each season? It's not a whole lot right?

[viscid remnant]

Now iam like 1984 and idk maybe i go loot some elite sets

[late wraith]

no you can track it on drustvar and seramate and stuff

it's a low percent

[quaint rapids]

Less than 10?

[viscid remnant]

I feel as if i must get the elite set for druid and mw

True?

[late wraith]

i'll see if i can find it, the stat changes per season

[velvet quest]

Introduce more cosmetics and recolors across multiple game modes beyond just “hit X rating for Y reward” or onetime lifetime achievements. “Just the three of us” ok cool but gimme something beyond the 0 or 10 achievement points

[quaint rapids]

Lmao

[viscid remnant]

Ppl have been talking about this since like legion and maybe even earlier but ofc nothing happens cuz pvp is a minigame u should be happy what what u got rn cuh

[quaint rapids]

Currently between both servers

[velvet quest]

Some people are specifically doing bgb to get 1800 for 20 year old transmogs like why is there not an extra little carrot to chase every season for blitz or shuffles or 2s

[quaint rapids]

There are less than 150 gladiator in 3v3

Imo that's hilariously low

But what do I know

[viscid remnant]

Is there any permenant "battle mender" title

How is it called

[late wraith]

eh a lot of people don't start pushing till later

[quaint rapids]

And why is that

[velvet quest]

I know, and I agree that it’s fine to keep current rewards “prestigious” or whatever but they should just give extra things that you get passively from participation. Like do a pvp battle pass or something

[quaint rapids]

Because blizzards rating system is fucking cooked

[late wraith]

waiting for inflation most likely

[quaint rapids]

Yep

That's also stupid imo

[late wraith]

but that's true across all modes like that is also true in shuffle

[velvet quest]

Win 50 games of 2s win bgb on this map 5 times reach 1500 in 3s here’s 30 points you can spend on old cosmetics idk

[quaint rapids]

The "people will achieve their goals too soon and quit". Argument also makes me

[quaint rapids]

I hate the phrase but basically a battle pass

Some sort of seasonal progression that you can get from just playing

Playing better makes you progress faster obviously

And idk if you finish the grind, make it substantial, you can get a token for a glad mount or something that's at least 3 expac old

Maybe that's too generous

Or old glad tmog

Idfk

[velvet quest]

win 20 games above 1800 and u get a token to buy an old elite class set. win 50 games above 2100 and u can buy an old seasonal duelist enchant. timegate it by 2 expansions or something so u cant buy last season stuff. theres plenty of ways to add little rewards to drive player participation but i feel like 90% of the issue is the pvp community themselves being mad about seeing someone else earning the same "special" thing as them in an easier way

[late wraith]

think about the twitter posts with 20 likes

tagging warcraftdevs

the account that's been inactive since september 2023

[quaint rapids]

Too real

[safe heart]

definitely stings alittle to have some cool reward thats not obtainable anymore and suddenly it becomes obtainable again

[late wraith]

being an r1 and tagging the warcraftdevs with every complaint on twitter name a more iconic duo

[quaint rapids]

I don't get this, especially if the person has to achieve the same thing to get it

Hell getting 50 wins over 2100 is probably harder this season that ever

[safe heart]

just takes a special thing, makes it unspecial

[quaint rapids]

People do the same shit over Mage tower too

[velvet quest]

i farmed mounts that were 1/2000 drop rate and then they turned into 1/100 and i was like oh dang now my mount is less rare. but now i can farm the other rare mounts easier that i also dont have yet and i was over it within 10 seconds

[quaint rapids]

Okay but is it special because it was limited, or special because you earned it

[late wraith]

the only person this really hurts is pikaboo who uses his collection of former glad mounts all the time to try to impress randos

[safe heart]

special cuz its limited obviously

[quaint rapids]

See I think that's just lame personally

[safe heart]

if u can just go get the thing whenever, its not as special

[late wraith]

his all glad mounts bound to different keybinds bit will be ruined

[safe heart]

thats why every season i dont get glad it hurts more the next time

[quaint rapids]

Imo they should bring back all the MT appearances, require you to best the MT obviously.

I think glad mounts should be a token and you just buy the one you want

[late wraith]

hear me out. they bring back glad mounts however... you have to run a gauntlet of 50 teams who got glad that season

[quaint rapids]

(after getting glad)

[safe heart]

cuz i missed all the dragonflight glad mounts which were not only sick , but are widely considered awesome by the player base

that hurts

[late wraith]

if you can beat 50 teams that got glad the season it was live, you get it

[safe heart]

to have missed it

[velvet quest]

is this mount special? it was a shop mount that was removed from the shop

[quaint rapids]

All of wrath and bc mounts are free then

[late wraith]

heheheh

[safe heart]

i mean yeah if you can no longer obtain it then 100%

[late wraith]

imagine the fuckin DRAMA

man i would live for that

[velvet quest]

so if u bought it when it was available but then they re-released it in the shop ud be mad?

[safe heart]

yes

[velvet quest]

🤔

[quaint rapids]

TCG mounts be like

[late wraith]

that is the ugliest fuckin mount i have ever seen

i can't imagine getting mad about that

look at it