pvp

[livid wasp]

I will stream when im back then you can tell whats wrong

[haughty compass]

LOL

God damn it that got me

[safe heart]

maybe thats the trick

i never drink

maybe drunk wow is the key

[tiny oar]

come bloodtalon bar and call me a slur

u know you want to

[grand mesa]

Wonder if the conquest gear is like really high ilvl relative to what’s available early or something

[clear pulsar]

Pveers aee such sallbabies

[livid wasp]

any tips on how to win bgs?

[tiny oar]

log off

[livid wasp]

thats no good

[safe heart]

keep ur map open, look at what ur team is doing and try to play off of whatever theyre doing

dont fight on roads

[livid wasp]

thats the general idea ive been following so far

[safe heart]

try to figure out if it makes more sense for you to harass a node or join teamfight

ping targets and hope ppl focus them

[livid wasp]

it's kind of rng

[safe heart]

i mean i been telling you that all morning

ur not playing with a coordinated team and every one has their own idea of what they should do so its impossible to force a win as 1/10

[livid wasp]

yeah but why do I lose 90%

[safe heart]

because the events of the bg didnt pan out for you 90% of the time

[livid wasp]

I have a positive winrate in random bgs

why me

[safe heart]

real talk, i bet if you got a piece of paper and took some stats on "did we win the initial teamfight" and "did we win the game" youll see a correlation there

just record the next like 20 battleblitzs u play

and see

id honestly be interested

i think in an uncoordinated setting, losing the teamfight stops the only momentum your team will have the entire game because of ppls inability to form up and attack as a group

[livid wasp]

yes

you can pretty much say gg when you lose at bfg

but my only win today was like that at start and we ended up 3-capping

only cause they went clownmode

[safe heart]

okay so lets say just for fun that if winning the initial teamfight is basically the deciding factor for whether you win or lose

[livid wasp]

when im home ill stream my 10 game loss streak

[safe heart]

do you feel like as the class youre playing, you could make a difference in that scenario

if yes, then go run up in the teamfight and try to make sure you win it
if not, then theres nothing you can do really

[livid wasp]

I mean I have an okay toolkit in teamfights

[safe heart]

okay so lets say you have a 50% chance of making a difference in the event that has roughly 95% of the weight for deciding if u win

[livid wasp]

and I lose 90%

[safe heart]

im just making up numbers but seems fair enough to me that a class that wont win you the teamfight being on your team means youre gunna lose more often

so you can either try harder to win the initial fight or you can try to do things that make it harder for the other team to win that fight

harassing nodes to lure ppl away, spinning your node forever while your team fights

etc

[livid wasp]

wish it was so easy

[safe heart]

well its not
you know how your teammates throw in shuffle

well thats infinitely worse in this scenario

more people making more mistakes

[carmine berry]

Any yt guides for pre-patch/musings on TWW for feral you guys could recommend? Haven't had a chance to try beta so I'm curious as to how people view it

[grand mesa]

Snupy puts out a fair amount of stuff and is a prolific beta doer

[livid wasp]

he wins blitz all the time why

he doesnt even do anything really special

[safe heart]

im 0-1 in bg blitz on my sp

[livid wasp]

feral?

[safe heart]

sp

[livid wasp]

but on your feral?

[safe heart]

0-0

[livid wasp]

not bas

better than mine

teach me

[tiny oar]

dont queue

easy win

[livid wasp]

thats not being very ambitious

[grand mesa]

But enji doesn’t have a losing record and has a pristine mental intact

Sounds like winning

[safe heart]

my mental been very solid since not playing wow for a month tbh

[viscid remnant]

nothing ever happens

[clear pulsar]

Play hots aram w me

[carmine berry]

Anyone know where i can get trophys of strife now that the vendor no longer sells?

[safe heart]

youre not gunna believe this

[clear pulsar]

Immediately to your left when you enter the training dummy room should be somebody on some boxes offering a weekly quest

If it's not there then it's not in game anymore

[carmine berry]

Yeah he's there: did that quest, but whereas before I could transfer honor to purchase extra Trophy of Strife, I no longer can 😦

[livid wasp]

10 hour shift over time to queue

[safe heart]

Hear me out

Borderlands 2

[broken junco]

There's this fucking tiny ass black fly

In my bedroom

That won't leave me alone

I KILLED IT

[livid wasp]

stream is up

I will clip

[broken junco]

FUCK YOU

[livid wasp]

every clown

[viscid remnant]

Oldhead ahh game but a timeless classic

[safe heart]

BL2 is goated imo

[viscid remnant]

Yea for sure

[livid wasp]

never played it

I won but what does it help im below 1.6k mmr

next one I might lose

im stuck in elo hell

[viscid remnant]

Mf crying about elo during prepatch

[livid wasp]

how is it gonna be any better during season

imagine doing a 10 loss streak

cause of @safe heart RNG and unluckiness

then youre 1.5k mmr

how are you ever gonna climb

youre 1 out of 8 how ar you gonna carry the team

[safe heart]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

[livid wasp]

but I see all these people above 1.8k

[safe heart]

They're playing dk and fury warrior

[livid wasp]

this guy is 1.9k as feral

[safe heart]

Bro I've been itching to do a fresh char so bad lol

Borderlands movie got me good

Has she played before

[haughty compass]

Borderlands. Classic

[safe heart]

You can either go middle tree and get scorn ball
Or you can go right tree for ruin where phaselock applies everything

I kinda like scorn better

Who did you pick

[clear pulsar]

[livid wasp]

now I was suddenly in a 1.8k game somehow after being below 1.6k

[random patrol]

just rem pizza with hard clam shells on it is a real thing

[grand mesa]

I did not like BL2

I got a few hours into BL1, halfway thru BL2, 10 min into BL3

maybe I just don’t like BL

[clear pulsar]

Yeah same not a fan

I have them all on epic

Prob never gonna play thru

[grand mesa]

Nothing hits like mass effect 2

Maybe I’ll buy the newest edition of ME and play Thag instead

[livid wasp]

single player games

just boring

0 dopamine

[broken junco]

You say that like you don't have a daily schizophrenic mania melt down every single day from a multi-player game

[random patrol]

he needs his dopamine

[tiny oar]

what dopamine

he loses every game

[random patrol]

@tiny oar addicts gamblers always play

even when loosing

[tiny oar]

[random patrol]

I just afk as luigi and win by doing nothing

nothing is best

[tiny oar]

so fucking real

[polar nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-luigi-smash-bros-smash-bros-ultimate-missing-gif-26523330

I don't get how Zechey is constantly pissed off right now when Feral is legitimately bonkers.

[tiny oar]

WAKE UP
LOSE BATTLEGROUND BLITZ
COMPLAIN ON ⁠⁠⁠#pvp
GO TO SLEEP
REPEAT

[polar nymph]

Ikr

But it's so much fun to play now

[tiny oar]

yea idk how most ferals felt about wild attunement but assuming some are happy it's gone at least ?

[polar nymph]

I've met 3 that liked it

That's 2 ppl that tried to hex/poly me today

We must have new players!

[tiny oar]

ngl I've gotten hexed off air sometimes brain just gaps loses focus for a sec sometimes just unlucky globals and cant shift in time

[polar nymph]

Hex is a risky one to gamble on since the cooldown

@tiny oar New mount -> mog combo.

[tiny oar]

I am not a fan of the colour palette but it looks cool model wise ^^

[polar nymph]

Death cat best cat

Cool new outline feature.

[random patrol]

I can never ger that stupid micro menu to disapear

@vestal citrus its an addon Im using so I just disabled it for now until I make a fix for myself since the author hasn't updated it

shadowlands micro menu

yep

also weak auras

I could prob do something myself

as well

yes

upscaled and recolored

now for the spells on the cooldown bar Ill test in in pvp worst comes Ill rever them but Im pretty sure I can track them at this point without worrying about the color

you can still tell them apart

would like to recolor the ap bar as well to a soft red at some point but Im still learning wa

so Im still using someone else's ap bar

will look at that ty

[livid wasp]

hmm 18 min queue as a healer and dps for bg blitz

like 4

[viscid remnant]

@clear pulsar did u see ddp made izzy cry in the press conference

i saw a clip on twitter

[woven hinge]

im new to resto in pvp, where i can find talents for pre patch? to do some arenas

[carmine berry]

Anyone got a macro to cancelform and insta swap with a rake or w/e when snared

[carmine berry]

Aite ty! Just saw snupy use it and it was near instantaneous

[livid wasp]

why havent I been doin that before

I didnt even remember using shred or rake puts you in cat form now

too bad we have only melee range now tho so not so useful

but guess its good like againset mage, insta doing it when he freezes

[carmine berry]

Exactly my thinking

[clear pulsar]

Fuck bro I'm playing aram I dont read twitter for press conference clips

[carmine berry]

Anyone got a working DR tracker?

[livid wasp]

why doesnt the game have its own dr tracking

such a major mechanic

[carmine berry]

I know right

found a decent WA anyway

DR Tracker addon wasn't working and hasn't been updated for months

[livid wasp]

I just use the sArena one and bgenemies for bgs

sarena being a gladius alternative

[craggy sparrow]

How tricky is Balance and/or Feral to play in arena? It seems they have a lot of keybinds and shapeshifting to play optimally

[safe heart]

Just try it and see if it's too hard

If ur coming from like dh or fury war then it's gunna be significantly harder than those

[craggy sparrow]

Ret Paladin so literally shut your brain off easy

[safe heart]

Yeah

[craggy sparrow]

But I'm used to using utility on teammates

[safe heart]

I mean it probably isn't gunna be hard if you just practice it

Idk if there's any classes that are like hard to play at a baseline, it'll be more like how hard is it gunna be to be successful in the meta

For feral atleast you'll probably struggle to live cuz as ret you have alot of useful defensives and live for free buttons but feral has none of those. Neither does boomie

[craggy sparrow]

Yeah from what I've read it's about kiting, switching to bear when needed. Getting dots on and running away to avoid instead of popping some big defensive CD like bubble

[safe heart]

I haven't played in over a month so idk if bear form is still a meme or not but yeah pre bear, pre wall , pre kite

[viscid remnant]

@haughty compass Did u see 307 news

[haughty compass]

🗿

[viscid remnant]

Activity goat

[haughty compass]

He ain’t young. Getting that bag while he can. Love to see it

[livid wasp]

I got beta dunno if I cba

[safe heart]

Not worth

Just wait for r1 to post guide

[livid wasp]

lololol

do I queue blitz

[velvet quest]

WAKE UP
LOSE BATTLEGROUND BLITZ
COMPLAIN ON ⁠⁠⁠#pvp
GO TO SLEEP
REPEAT

[livid wasp]

im bored

but theres a risk of getting pissed off

if I queue blitz

but if I have a win streak

its really fun

what is there to od

do

[clear pulsar]

WAKE UP
LOSE BATTLEGROUND BLITZ
COMPLAIN ON ⁠⁠⁠#pvp
GO TO SLEEP
REPEAT

[carmine berry]

Is there any particular order in which you cycle your defensive as Feral, i.e. priority, or certain use scenarios?

[livid wasp]

some dmg good to lower it = barkskin, oh shit so much dmg = wall

[safe heart]

^

[carmine berry]

ty

[barren minnow]

honestly better to trigger your defensives based on pressure, not your health. Lots of new pvp players will wall at 20% hp

[livid wasp]

I still do sometimes cause I dont expect the healer to not heal suddenly when hes not evne cced

[quaint rapids]

has anyone been playing feral in SS/BGblitz this week?

[haughty compass]

[quaint rapids]

Ok but like actually

[livid wasp]

yes

I have been playing feral in bg blitz this week

[quaint rapids]

I guess my only frame or reference is ss. Is feral better or worse off than in df

[livid wasp]

at least last week it was pretty bad, better now with buffs

its one week until the expansion so kinda stupid to say anything yet

better to ask these questions 1 week after first season started

[grand mesa]

How will anyone know when the game isn’t out

[carmine berry]

What talent/pvp setups do ufind work best?

[quaint rapids]

Fair enough, for a duelist level pvper I found feral absolutely miserable to play in SS during DF (other than season 1)

I wonder if it makes sense to try and abuse precog for voke

[livid wasp]

probably not

[livid wasp]

dunno how to answer to that

im stupid my name isnt green

[carmine berry]

Blitz seems a bit ehh ngl, just from a DPS PoV overall

Long queues and the gains don't seem great, though definitely gotta factor in pre-season etc

[safe heart]

Almost certainly not

[carmine berry]

Ideally wanna get into 2v2

[safe heart]

Convoke is piss

[quaint rapids]

is it nerfed in pvp still or something

because it's currently the play in pve

[tiny oar]

[grand mesa]

think convoke is stronger in TWW

but that's feelycraft watching snupy videos and seeing the bars more more than i expected

not actual science

[quaint rapids]

Hence the question of trying to meme with precog

[quaint rapids]

Unless it has pvp specific modifiers it is absolutely stronger

It's definitely better than fucking incarn since they murdered it

[stray sigil]

convoke

is 4 points

0 chance its good

[grand mesa]

think they're not even playing incarn

at all

[stray sigil]

haver to spend 2 points on the haste garbage

jusrt to get to convoke

and then another point

to make it lower cd

x

d

[quaint rapids]

You probably wouldn't take the lower CD one

Idk

[stray sigil]

why would u play 2min convoke

lol

[quaint rapids]

But the haste node is fair

[quaint rapids]

Idk that's why I'm here asking questions

But go off king

[stray sigil]

wasnt really a question more so a statement

unless u can 100-0 consistently

but healer trinket is 1min30

so like

and lines up with dps trinkets

dont see how 2min is good in any way

[quaint rapids]

Convoke is unquestionably better than incarn in pve , and decently stronger than it was in df. Hence my questions of if it's worth running at all in pvp.

But it seems like people are running L/R build?

And just dodging the middle capstone all together

[stray sigil]

think we will end up skipping mid its too many points

[grand mesa]

HE SAID WE

[stray sigil]

yeah but that doesnt really matter does it

[grand mesa]

fuji feral is back

[stray sigil]

i forget if they ever fixed the 4p bites in convoke or not

[tiny oar]

I'm a feral druid now then

[quaint rapids]

I believe voke does full power bites again

[stray sigil]

and proccing a ff over a bite

idk convoke is so bad in pvp

[quaint rapids]

But it is not benefited by saber jaws

[stray sigil]

ye that it is not

[quaint rapids]

But this loops back to my original question I guess, is feral seeming a bit more reliable for SS than it did in DF(post season 1)

I understand feral was good for premades, but in ss , at least for a duelist shitter like myself, it was very hard to play/have any fun

I think this was the big one, being pressured too much by zerg classes just forced you into bear. Making it a 3v2 and they'd still kill you anyway

Felt extra bad with s3 DH being cracked

Though I suppose it's a little bit better with wild shape mastery from dotc?

I wonder what the ICD is on that

Yeah, but you could theoretically run fluid form. Swap to bear then swap back, and be able to dps "safely" for 6, seconds

But now you're just basically doing a whole circus act for what most other specs just get passively

[elfin thicket]

Did they get rid of the feral clone pvp talent

[tiny oar]

yes

[safe heart]

It's over for u buddy

[polar nymph]

Busted.

Everyone dies in a stun to your damage.

[quaint rapids]

Bite actually does damage in pvp again?

S2/3 it just felt like I did nothing

[polar nymph]

Well Rip is usually my top damage

But Feral Frenzy and a Bite does big damage

Feral doesn't need Wild Attunement to do damage

[safe heart]

you do need mage tower cat forms to do damage tho

if u dont have them dont bother

[quaint rapids]

thank god

that talent was such garbage for gameplay

[quaint rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sad-cat-cat-depressed-depression-gif-13240550249247957481

im sorry ok, i was a noob in legion

i did it blind during DF and one shot it

i deserve the skin too

[safe heart]

sry too bad

[polar nymph]

Yeah, now you just rake stun and go to town with Swarm, Frenzy and Rip and Bite them.

[safe heart]

try a different class

like fury warrior

[polar nymph]

Bleeds do damage.

[tiny oar]

ill be a furry warrior

fury*

[polar nymph]

Don't act like that was a typo

[quaint rapids]

Freudian slip

[viscid remnant]

Whole lotta smusge

[polar nymph]

[tiny oar]

[polar nymph]

Caught in 4k

[tiny oar]

good c:

[viscid remnant]

Its cool to be into beastiality now

Or

[polar nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-warrior-orc-pvp-pwnstarr-gif-20747634

[tiny oar]

yea dude becuz furry = beastiality i forgot, right

OH WAIT

[polar nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-gif-20692188

[viscid remnant]

I shall contact the authorities

[polar nymph]

Hi, this is the authorities, how may we help?

[viscid remnant]

$report

[polar nymph]

Report received, thank you for helping keep the community safe.

[tiny oar]

this is so badass

[polar nymph]

It's Genn

[tiny oar]

very good turning urself in for spreading misinformation appreciate u being a good citizen

[polar nymph]

[safe heart]

wow blissard gave me 1 free day of game time

[polar nymph]

I didn't 😦

[polar nymph]

I got a mount and pet

If you play male Orc Warrior you're certified gamer dad

[grand mesa]

but what about

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oYRwvbqTXAs

[safe heart]

if u dont play nightborne priest ur a boomer idk how to say it

[tiny oar]

out of all the races priest can play u chose nightborne wow

[safe heart]

nightborne is super bis

[tiny oar]

homie is having more fun than zechey thats for sure

[grand mesa]

bro i think the dadgamers who cook up wild shit for random BGs

and play a few games a night tops

have actualy pristine mental

and they love wow

does zechey love wow

[safe heart]

i dont get how u can play wow and just be okay with being bad

like i get offended that there are ppl better than me

this is pristine mental

dad gaming is sus

[polar nymph]

You should see that guy rage.

I've heard it's legendary

[safe heart]

so im basically r1 i just need wins yea

[polar nymph]

Male Undead Fire Mage is Xaryu fan

Not gamer dad

[random patrol]

@vestal citrus if only wrath was really green

[polar nymph]

Isn't it in classic?

[random patrol]

yes

I just like the icon color

[polar nymph]

Warlock Druid Green Fire Questline

[random patrol]

do it

swapping out the micro menu addon sadly as much as I like the sl addon it's not likely to get updated so Ill just use a weak aura

[random patrol]

okay so that's not the problem

hmm

[viscid remnant]

Holy yapperoni

[tiny oar]

yeyeye keep playing the joker

lmk if u ever want to be serious 4 once

[random patrol]

being serious is boring

better to play drunk and in the nude while doing solo at 3 am with the cat blocking half the screen

[broken junco]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[tardy hare]

You just gotta lack the mental to know you're bad

Back when i was a kid people with elite gear were HELLA cool

Go in

I lose game

Man

Hes good

Damn, rogue is op

[random patrol]

^

[safe heart]

idek how you can lack knowing ur bad when ppl will literally tell u that shit for free

[clear pulsar]

Idk how you could have a positiev outlook on anything in life then

We're absolutely mediocre at the vast majority of things we all do

It's just a videogame man

You play you try you win you lose

[safe heart]

always try to be the best

imo

[tardy hare]

Bruh back then the only YouTube vids i saw were people making big crit bg montages

For all I knew good people clicked their spells as well

Didnt know better

Now theres livestreams n all and YouTube vids showing you youre crap

Back then I watched WowCrendor

Fuck am I supposed to know I'm bad from Orc vs Wild

Man's roleplaying Bear Grylls in WoW zones

[random patrol]

crendor's pointless top 10s are great

[broken junco]

I remember watching the we only want to eat your brains wow song on youtube when I was a kid

https://youtu.be/BjMiDZIY1bM?si=hOcbaZyIcXEIeOxL

[tardy hare]

[livid wasp]

time to queue blitz

[tiny oar]

WAKE UP
LOSE BATTLEGROUND BLITZ
COMPLAIN ON #pvp
GO TO SLEEP
REPEAT

[livid wasp]

wtf

I was 1.7k mmr and now im suddenly 2.2k

cant lose any rating at least if I lose

[glossy drum]

Its so cooked to be this attached to prepatch bgs

[haughty compass]

Zechey is a BG enjoyer. This is his endgame

#pvp is his diary

[viscid remnant]

zechey is an artist
#pvp is his canvas and salt is his brush

[livid wasp]

whats wrong with prepatch bgs

its gonna be the same shit in s1

[glossy drum]

U do u sir

[broken junco]

Why are you grinding prepatch

[livid wasp]

because theres nothing to do

[broken junco]

When season 1 starts you just do it anyways

That's why not many people play wow during prepatch

[haughty compass]

Transmog hunting for me

[tropic schooner]

now im not sure if I think the prepatch bg tilt or the duel balancing tilt is more hilarious

[broken junco]

@viscid remnant can sing just like Alice cooper

https://open.spotify.com/track/5XcZRgJv3zMhTqCyESjQrF?si=V7tNESsdTZyzNXu_6zClXQ

[haughty compass]

It’s the skirmish rage for me

[tropic schooner]

true that happened too

[broken junco]

Oh now it's sad boy hours

https://open.spotify.com/track/2AQFlNmYMr2LBn5fMh5FqY?si=gJq7n85eTMygvB1mnlmc6Q

[viscid remnant]

wow addict

[livid wasp]

at least I didnt buy epic

[north grove]

hey buddies, do you know if theres any warrior within xpac raffles/giveaways? maybe big streamers get some keys from blizzard to giveaway for subs/viewers?

[broken junco]

We're cumsoomers here, @viscid remnant alone spends $80 every 2 weeks on path of exile

[viscid remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/pepega-pepega-credit-credit-xqc-twitch-emote-gif-23046185

[livid wasp]

there isnt anything really to spend money on

spending it on micro transactions is dumb though

[broken junco]

Zechey buys boosts and pilots during season and rages from bgs in prepatch

[tropic schooner]

not as dumb as playing a shitton and complaining 24/7

[livid wasp]

at least its free

[broken junco]

No it's not

[north grove]

hahah its okay, ive played path of exile too! but i just bought the regular tabs in the past

yea im on a shitty money situation and id like to come back for some pvps fun

just seeing if maybe i can join some giveaways, not sure if theres any

tried to check some big pvp streamers but i think maybe blizz is not giving those to streamers anymore

[viscid remnant]

wow is not an ideal game to play when u got money problems

[livid wasp]

just farm the gold in game

[viscid remnant]

it takes a ton of time for most ppl

[viscid remnant]

true

[haughty compass]

Less effort and time to just buy a token with money.

[viscid remnant]

he said he is poor

[livid wasp]

I love durotar rogues

so broken wanting to duel everyone

so happy cause they cant lose

[grand mesa]

Never change zechey

[carmine berry]

Circle of Life and Adaptive Swarm the go-to for 2s? What are the best 2s partners as feral would u say?

[safe heart]

Hpriest pres hpal

[carmine berry]

ty

[livid wasp]

they release the game at a weird time

they say its august 26 but for me its 27

[grand mesa]

Why cant they just release on the same date and time for everyone everywhere. Blizz fucking lazy

[haughty compass]

And early release is 3 days before that?

I never read anything

[viscid remnant]

TIMEZONES ARE REAL

https://tenor.com/view/ohnepixel-jeepers-oh-jeepers-ohne-pixel-ohne-gif-15198820313195835496

[livid wasp]

idiotas

im aware of timezones

I just dunno why they dont release a couple of hours earlier so its 26 for all

and it doesnt release at sleepy time for EU

guess NA first priority

nice to release it on tuesday

at least servers wont be fucked

[grand mesa]

22nd 6pm est

Is the early access launch

Thag reminds me I gotta take that Friday off

I’m glad they did early access shit

Maybe servers less likely to explode

[haughty compass]

Get the weekend to level, love t

[grand mesa]

Ya

[livid wasp]

thanks for supporting their system

[velvet quest]

Do you like the system zechey?

[livid wasp]

no

theyre gonna see that people are dumb and this epic edition tactic was a great success

next year it will be 120 euros and 1 week early access

[unkempt wind]

losing years of my life figuring out keybind changes because of this dogshit fuckin talent

man

[livid wasp]

I just have shred and rake same bind in all forms

had to come up with a new bind for bear mangle tho

[unkempt wind]

my frenzied regen was my rake bind

and mangle was shred

and for resto they were lifebloom/swiftmend

so i have to rebind regen and mangle cause some dev thought they were being really clever

[livid wasp]

kek

[unkempt wind]

somehow a passive talent = 2 keybinds gone

[viscid remnant]

just dont play brah

[unkempt wind]

ya let me just

be suboptimal

[viscid remnant]

no just dont play the game

https://tenor.com/view/xddd-gif-11484761101775539239

[unkempt wind]

now ur speakin

[grand mesa]

Horribly designed talent

[safe heart]

is that all fluid form does

ppl talked about it like it was good

[unkempt wind]

it is good

[safe heart]

for what

[unkempt wind]

alright let me give you a scenario

ur in cat form

trying to kill a mage

he presses frost nova

you cancel form to escape the nova obviously

now without fluid form, you press cat form then rake

(2 globals)

with fluid form

you just press rake only

from human form

saving an entire global

[viscid remnant]

so why does that screw up ur keybinds

[safe heart]

oh , yea i guess thats nice

[viscid remnant]

i have a rake on the normal form bars

[grand mesa]

Because a lot of people don’t have rake bound globally

[unkempt wind]

because you can do the same thing from bear form

[safe heart]

i dont have rake out side of cat form

[grand mesa]

it’s in their cat form action bar

[unkempt wind]

you can rake in bear form to enter cat form

but my rake keybind (3) was also my frenzed regen bind (3)

[viscid remnant]

just put rake on 1 for all forms

gg ?

nah i bet thats cancer asf

[safe heart]

yea i dont even have any human form specific binds

[velvet quest]

id buy it if it came with a mount

[safe heart]

so this is ez gg for me

[grand mesa]

Someone suggested making it so shifting into form makes your next whitelisted spell not incur GCD. Pretty much Same result as fluid form but not keybind hell

[unkempt wind]

and my shred bind (2) was my mangle bind (2)

[safe heart]

oh yea i need new mangle button now

[grand mesa]

axtin surely you can forum post about fluid form you got wild attunement removed

[safe heart]

could you just do a macro like
/cast mangle
/cast shred

[unkempt wind]

fluid form is a pve talent

[grand mesa]

pvers hate it too

[unkempt wind]

they dont care what i have to say about that

[grand mesa]

Atleast resto

Think a lot of folks are going nuts about the keybind sitch

[unkempt wind]

i mean the truth is its only really frustrating right now because i have to undo like 10+ years of keybind muscle memory

[polar nymph]

For me I think it's just getting used to 2 separate keybind locations for Mangle, Rake (and maybe Shred?)

[unkempt wind]

but the adjustment will eventually happen

but id rather it not have to happen at all

[polar nymph]

The longer it exists the more people will adjust to it.

[unkempt wind]

this is probably even worse for rdruids, like id imagine most rdruids have shred/rake bound to their core healing abilities in human form

or they shared the same binds rather

[viscid remnant]

aha

this is what i was never using the fricking help harm

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-yes-yup-uh-huh-gif-477668171596170303

[unkempt wind]

im not a fan of help harm macros

because if u wanna heal urself while targetting an enemy u have to target urself

[grand mesa]

Yeah that’s the one downside

[unkempt wind]

id like to be able to press regrowth on myself while targetting enemy etc

[polar nymph]

I'm so used to a global self-cast keybind.

For self-healing/dispels

Friendly spells basically

[stray sigil]

@unkempt wind just put rake outside of catform bar no ?

dont need toc hange bind and shit

[unkempt wind]

the human form isnt a big issue

[grand mesa]

Yeah but 1 or 2 may be other things in other forms right now

[unkempt wind]

its the bear form binds mainly

[grand mesa]

just muscle memory rewrite

[stray sigil]

what do u even press in bear outside of regen

[unkempt wind]

my regen bind and rake bind were the same

[stray sigil]

ah

isee

[unkempt wind]

and mangle was same as shred

which is useless but not 100% useless

can still kill totems with it

[stray sigil]

i dont like fluid form

but wcyd

fluid form is like blissard saying heres ur shifting back

but not rly

[polar nymph]

Can also TF from Bear.

[unkempt wind]

yea well tf has a 30 sec cd

[polar nymph]

To get in to Cat

Yeah

But it's another bind

[safe heart]

Idk what other talents there are anymore but honestly idk if I even wanna take that outside of specifically vs frost mage

[polar nymph]

It feels great with Tireless Pursuit

Constantly zooming

[unkempt wind]

ele shamans

mm hunters

[stray sigil]

@unkempt wind do u have to be in range of the guy

[unkempt wind]

dks

[stray sigil]

for fluid to shift u in

[polar nymph]

Yes

[grand mesa]

Yea

[stray sigil]

dam its kinda dogshit then

[polar nymph]

But technically a gain to use still which feels bad

[stray sigil]

i mean yeah its not the worst

but the shifting example

doesnt rly work does it

unless the mage

[unkempt wind]

it definitely helps save globals

[livid wasp]

does DK have a MS

[stray sigil]

is brain off afk

[grand mesa]

It’s def good just the keybind situation sucks

[stray sigil]

and doesnt move 1 inch

[safe heart]

I normally just copy paste either fuji or axtins build so if u guys take it ill play it

[stray sigil]

from u after a root

so realistically

its super niche

[unkempt wind]

id rather just have my +3 yds back

[stray sigil]

kinda why im saying its kinda dogshit

without the range

[polar nymph]

But with roots it's the fact you can drop form for the root and rake back in and still only spend one GCD.

[stray sigil]

u have to be on top of the guy

to save that 1 gcd with fluid

[unkempt wind]

and i wish theyd just make cyclone castable in cat

[grand mesa]

oh right the range nerf too

[polar nymph]

This 1000%

[stray sigil]

could legit just make it a pvp talent lol

[unkempt wind]

why should it be a pvp talent

[stray sigil]

the 3rd pvp talent is kidna w.e now

i mean

it shouldnt be

[unkempt wind]

ya its dumb

[stray sigil]

but they clearly dont want it baseline for w.e reason

so like at the very least could easily be a pvp talent

[polar nymph]

Blizzard calls it friction

[stray sigil]

u know whats stil lsad btw

[unkempt wind]

i feel already so starved for pvp talents

[stray sigil]

all our capstones

are so fucking dogshit still

[unkempt wind]

like tireless feels mandatory

wicked claws almost always mandatory

[stray sigil]

wound kinda nice too

[unkempt wind]

ya

u never get to play thorns

or savage momentum

[stray sigil]

has thorns done any dmg

since bfa

[safe heart]

Jamie pull up the thorns clip

[unkempt wind]

its not terrible

[viscid remnant]

pull up the clip of a bear fighting thorns

[unkempt wind]

against certain melee

[stray sigil]

i dotn even carea bout the pvp talents just

make the capstones

decent

[polar nymph]

I kinda wish Thorns was activated through an existing button.

[unkempt wind]

o m e g a l u l

[stray sigil]

i lowkey cooked

[unkempt wind]

0 chance i ever play innervate

[stray sigil]

and tried that with lunar and shit

not worth it

[unkempt wind]

because innervate literally costs 3 talent points

2 of them 0 value

[stray sigil]

well it affects lunar insp

not 0 value

but like

moonfire does 0 dmg

on beta

[grand mesa]

The left side is just as bad for casters. The 2 pointer gating bash

[unkempt wind]

and then boomies/rdruids that want bash (so all of them) waste 2 points on the other side too

[stray sigil]

its like a 70k tick

vs like rip/rake 300k

the druid trees are still complete dogshit

after like 40 iteration

and 2 years

[grand mesa]

it’s ok they’ll figure it out

[stray sigil]

[polar nymph]

This is the 3rd iteration

[grand mesa]

this is their like 8th rework

Half the time the reworks made it worse

[polar nymph]

It got no mechanical changes for almost 2 years.

[safe heart]

puzzle says feral looking solid
meanwhile iteration 8 of druid is worse

[stray sigil]

feral does look solid on beta

[grand mesa]

it’s doing damage for sure. It looks really decent

[stray sigil]

but if u play

dotc

[safe heart]

im gunna be sitting in lfg for 20 yrs

[stray sigil]

ur kinda trolling

imo

[safe heart]

what is dotc

[stray sigil]

the tanky tree

[grand mesa]

Druid of the claw

[stray sigil]

that tree is kinda dogshit

[grand mesa]

All the defensive shit

[stray sigil]

but everyone is pogging

idk

[grand mesa]

But idk if ravage is good for u

[polar nymph]

If Ravage is strong it's good, if it's weak the entire tree sucks to play

What else can you say?

[stray sigil]

doesnt work like taht

dotc is like way less applicable in pvp

cuz of the stupid ass proc on autos

[polar nymph]

Wildstalker is just default more useful in pvp

[stray sigil]

idk if id say more useful

its more dmg

cuz its guaranteed

[polar nymph]

Don't have to be in auto attack range to get use out of

[safe heart]

guess im playing the not dotc tree then

[stray sigil]

i mean ull unlock both entirely

[safe heart]

it was a tough decision for me but ive decided

[stray sigil]

by getting to 80

[safe heart]

what

[stray sigil]

it will have some uses

[polar nymph]

Enji?

[grand mesa]

Can freely swap in lobby also

[stray sigil]

its not covenants bro

u can swap

[grand mesa]

starting room

[safe heart]

you have to pick 1 right

[unkempt wind]

i like how they took away moonkin form but they kept flap in my spellbook

[polar nymph]

You didn't know?

[safe heart]

know what

[stray sigil]

like u play vs ret war and they just run at u all game

[polar nymph]

They're just talents

[stray sigil]

prob just play ravage

[safe heart]

ye but u cant play both right

you have to pick

[stray sigil]

wait u cant have boomy form anymore ?

[stray sigil]

yes

[safe heart]

yea

[grand mesa]

Boomkin form is removed

[unkempt wind]

ya theres no way to be in boomy form anymore unless ur boomy

[safe heart]

so i shall pick the other one

[stray sigil]

[grand mesa]

For everyone but balance

It’s not in class tree anymore

[safe heart]

the non dotc one

[stray sigil]

what the cringe

[safe heart]

will be my covenenant

[stray sigil]

all my flap macros

gg

[grand mesa]

that’s why they changed MS for resto to be mana back in caster form

cause they physically couldn’t go boomkin

[unkempt wind]

moonkin form actually had 1 good use

which was flapping in bgs

and now its gone

[stray sigil]

flap from lm to bs in arathi

[grand mesa]

I will levitate you just jump first I promise I gotchu

[polar nymph]

Give cat form temporary wings to flap

[polar nymph]

I'm just gonna wild charge if you don't

Then land in the water

[livid wasp]

idk why they would remove moonkin form

why can they use cat form

racist

could flap down ally base in twin peaks

man I wish I could disable AB and dwg, such bad bgs for blitz

cant make any impact as a solo player

its just luck what your team is gonna be

[stray sigil]

wrong

wsg is the worst one

[livid wasp]

no

[safe heart]

wsg is the only fun one out of them all

litearlly

[livid wasp]

it feels good running the flag and avoiding the whole team

and capping it

making an actual difference

or helping to kill fc

possibly soloing him if he has 10 stacks

temple is shit too, completely team based

in silvershard can make some clever caps

so its decent

[polar nymph]

Happy Zechey!?

[viscid remnant]

Edited

Cgi

[livid wasp]

your discord is too dark

[polar nymph]

Purple

And there is no such thing as too dark

[livid wasp]

I have a friend who uses light mode, I dont know whats wrong with him

[polar nymph]

I think your screen is broken Enji

My Cord is purple

Not black

[safe heart]

i set it like this

[livid wasp]

I cant even change it since I dont pay 10 a month

[viscid remnant]

What a scam brah

[polar nymph]

[grand mesa]

All CTF are trash

[livid wasp]

why?

[clear pulsar]

Actually agree

[livid wasp]

explain

[viscid remnant]

Its boring

[safe heart]

CTF is the only fun bg

all the other ones are just zug team fight

[grand mesa]

I like the zug team fights

And I like it when objectives are there to gently suggest where you possibly everyone should consider zug team fighting next

Chasing objectives not fighting is boring

[clear pulsar]

I think the tank kite around thing is just aggravating

[safe heart]

being the fc on the classic server was one of the most fun things ive ever done in wow

zug team fight may as well pve

[tropic schooner]

imo arathi is worst bg for rbgs

[safe heart]

yeah esp cuz ppl just will never understand how to play it

[livid wasp]

how do you play it

[haughty compass]

yea its weird

[safe heart]

You send 1 ninja Mines, 1 person sit farm, match team fight whether it's Smith or lm while someone spins the other

Then leave 2 at team fight and get 3rd

Wipe them at team fight then sit 3

Have ppl screening nodes

Make it hard for ppl to actually get to the team fight to

[velvet quest]

So the team fight is still the most important thing with this strat

[clear pulsar]

Real pro strats

The strat is

Wipe them at team fight

Ty enji

[safe heart]

I mean

Thats bgs foe u

If you lose team fight, it's basically over

If you're coordinated you can form up and attack a node as a force

[safe heart]

Gimme the pro strats face
I'm sure it'll be super insightful and not basically what I said

[livid wasp]

arathi and dwg just rng about what kind of a team you get, you cant impact it much like in some other bgs

[clear pulsar]

I'm not pretending to know any secret strat people arent aware of

[safe heart]

That was easy

[clear pulsar]

Just like wiping them at teamfight

Such a simple strat people just dont follow

[haughty compass]

if yuo lose team fight you say "wtf team?" in gen chat for a morale boost

[tropic schooner]

also gj team to tell them they did a good job so far

even with a lost fight

[livid wasp]

it's better to say nothing at all or be constructive when things aren't going your way

[tropic schooner]

[safe heart]

I mean if u don't wipe them and you lose teamfight then you have to as a team group up and attack together

That's not happening in a random lobby

Its like "ok I wanna make a sandwich but I don't have bread"

Kinda hard to do the thing without the core component

[livid wasp]

"You can use arena skirmish to teleport out of dungeon after each run to reset it. Good hunting!"

I like how people abuse skirmish for stuff like this

not selfish at all

[safe heart]

Kek

[livid wasp]

I dont take them that seriously but it is a pretty ass thing to do to enter it and leave, wasting the time of 3 other people

[polar nymph]

You don't waste their time because the others aren't entering either

[livid wasp]

?

it's 2v1 then

[haughty compass]

Then you get a chance to 1v2

[livid wasp]

but if im on the side with 2 then its boring

[haughty compass]

Why do you play wow?

[livid wasp]

to challenge myself

[random patrol]

1v3ing though

[tropic schooner]

TBH

for once

I agree with zechey

it is kinda annoying and a bit of a dick move

like not the biggest deal in the world but somewhat annoying for sure

[livid wasp]

I like to think the same people leave the shopping cart at their car and trash at the cinema seat

[grand mesa]

It’s definitely lame

[tiny oar]

WAKE UP
LOSE BATTLEGROUND BLITZ
COMPLAIN ON ⁠#pvp
GO TO SLEEP
REPEAT

[viscid remnant]

Ded chat

BRUH

[broken junco]

https://tenor.com/view/daffy-duck-ahh-jerk-looney-tunes-gif-16879880

[viscid remnant]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS

@clear pulsar

[clear pulsar]

[viscid remnant]

DDP MASTERCLASS

[clear pulsar]

Double penetration win is my 9 11

[viscid remnant]

i knew he would win

[tiny oar]

brand new sentence

[grand mesa]

@clear pulsar deadlock is def lit

[clear pulsar]

I'm too old for new games

My knee and hip hurt puzzle I'm gone

[grand mesa]

i was hitting some sick pudge hooks

i feel young again

i guess roadhog is better way to say it ig

[cold bay]

so toxic @clear pulsar

oNe HeAl

[tiny oar]

@cold bay good morning nice 2 see u in bloodtalon bar hope u have a great day love u 💚

[cold bay]

wholesome 🥺

❤️

[tiny oar]

pepega the worst druid NA 🤝 lake the worst druid EU

[cold bay]

its not easy being the ||bottom ||1%

[tiny oar]

true

i got my glad done trying to chase glory after tww s1

chill battle pet collector and transmog runner from now on

[cold bay]

i got my combatant done too

🤝

[tiny oar]

i mostly just farm 1800s for transmogs i like now lmao

[cold bay]

which mogs will you go for in season 1?

shaman looks sooo bad

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/the-war-within/pvp/season-1-rewards-gear-mounts

[livid wasp]

are the blitz titles gonna be just for top 0.1% of the whole ladder

not spec specific?

I guess so

its all ruined anyway you gotta queue with a R1 healer

[tiny oar]

WAKE UP
LOSE BATTLEGROUND BLITZ
COMPLAIN ON ⁠⁠pvp
GO TO SLEEP
REPEAT

[clear pulsar]

WAKE UP
LOSE BATTLEGROUND BLITZ
COMPLAIN ON ⁠⁠pvp
GO TO SLEEP
REPEAT

[cold bay]

WAKE UP
LOSE BATTLEGROUND BLITZ
COMPLAIN ON ⁠⁠pvp
GO TO SLEEP
REPEAT

its time to queue @livid wasp

[viscid remnant]

WAKE UP
LOSE BATTLEGROUND BLITZ
COMPLAIN ON ⁠⁠pvp
GO TO SLEEP
ROPEMAXX

[haughty compass]

izzy deadge

[viscid remnant]

i told u he will lose

[haughty compass]

yea you called it

[viscid remnant]

altho his boxing was actually very good compared to his last fight

[haughty compass]

dricus is the goofiest fighter, i felt like he was gassed and dying

shows what i know, he mauled him at the end there

[viscid remnant]

he was swinging big shots like a gorilla but he stayed defensive to the head atleast

dude before the finish he was bopping izzys head around with nasty punches

[cold bay]

lmao @broken junco

[broken junco]

Nerfed for my crimes

[tiny oar]

too much SPM?

[cold bay]

we thought you were timed out too

lol

[broken junco]

No I was like this to thyme

https://tenor.com/view/joey-mattle-blanc-friends-how-you-doin-gif-8921348

[cold bay]

press 1️⃣ to support kog in getting unmuted and undeafened

1️⃣

[clear pulsar]

1️⃣

[tiny oar]

1️⃣

[viscid remnant]

hes cooked

[cold bay]

snubbed by david 😢

[cold bay]

top tier talent to troll your teammate's poly or freezing trap

[tiny oar]

hoooooly THATS SO BASED

[maiden latch]

Hey guys, for feral pvp

Is there more than one build ?

[maiden latch]

Master main stat for feral ?

or haste ?

[safe heart]

Mastery

[stray sigil]

vers > mas > haste > crit like its been for the past 2-3 xpacs prob

[maiden latch]

thanks

oh im brand new

You guys use add ons to track bleeds in pvp

or more or less same as pve

[cold bay]

bigdebuffs will show the timer on your bleeds. is that what you mean?

and you can use this website to see what talents/builds are popular with top players
https://murlok.io/druid/feral/3v3

[maiden latch]

Yeah something like that i think

idk to make it eassier to track

[cold bay]

you can check axtin's build. he lurks around

[stray sigil]

some use wa's some dont

up to you

[maiden latch]

Im newer to pvp so i don't wanna overwhelm but def wanna i guess make it easier to track

tbh i should focus on mastering my rotation and keybinds

[stray sigil]

i dont like cluttering my ui with random bleed wa's but i know axtin does have them or used to

entirely preference

[maiden latch]

Same

def wanna go more of the simplistic route

Quick question

so when adaptive swarm says " increases the effectiveness of your periodic effects on them by 25" will that apply to bleeds on that target that are already on them

or must you bleed them after they have adaptive swarm on them

[lime light]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/666519736007262240/1006370922300723300/risitas.gif?ex=66c34635&is=66c1f4b5&hm=2c3c47e2bca611bb26b5c2931ed7bc5aaa174232d98c7225d8c022865bbab6bb&

[viscid remnant]

el poetron

[livid wasp]

so many new ferals suddenly

I see new ferals in game too

[stray sigil]

yes

swarm is not a snapshot its dynamic

[maiden latch]

Ive always wanted to give it a shot

seemed mad overwhelming now im just like fk it

[stray sigil]

tiger fury is a snapshot

so u have to put up bleeds during that

but swarm isnt

[maiden latch]

ohh

thats why you pop TF before everything

[stray sigil]

yes

[maiden latch]

anything else similar ?

that i should know about

[stray sigil]

if u take the uh

talent node

whre it makes u refund 1 combo point after a spend and it makes ur tf increase bleeds dmg over time

that is also a snap shot

but rest is normal

ig ud say bt but u have to apply the rip to make it so its doing the 25% more dmg

i might be forgetting something but dont think so

[maiden latch]

so for beginners sake

i should just pop tf and berserk before going

[stray sigil]

i always liked zerking in opener personally

so like

stealth > tf zerk> rake thrash brs or w.e u want to proc bt

rip and then u build combo points to bite/maim

and try to proc bt as much as possible

[maiden latch]

ooo

wait so ideally rake right ?

[stray sigil]

wdym by that

to proc bt?

oh i forgot

[maiden latch]

sorry out of stealth

yeah my b

[stray sigil]

sudden ambush

also is a snapshot

if u get a proc for ur rakes

[stray sigil]

well u see

if u wanna turbo min max

[maiden latch]

as simple as i can be

nah not at all

im just starting lol

[stray sigil]

ill just tell u anyways so u have a rough idea in the future

like if ur stealth/tf rake

ur rake does a lot more dmg right

so u dont want to just replace it with a weaker rake to proc bt

if tghat makes sense

[maiden latch]

right

[stray sigil]

cuz if u reapply rake after the opener rake