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You're out of your mind
The average pvp new poster is the same way
Talking about secondaries
It's literally 90% of the questions asked here about pvp
Nahhhh
What stats to put on lego, what slots to put lego on, what stats do I want on gear
It's all people talk about lol
Pvpers don’t know how to read anyway so why do they care about secondaries
I love glyph hot takes
I think our guide writing and knowledge for arena play is really bad
As a community
Most of actual teaching learning was more like personal mentorship I feel
I didn’t learn about triangle shit and not lining healer by pillar humping as dps until friends yelled at me and explained it to me
It’s interesting because people often say that a ton of arena is positioning
But besides talking about it in pretty broad terms
There’s not much out there about it
Skill capped had a video on it but again was pretty broad and only talked about triangle if your spell cleave
Ok but like
Is some of it not exceedingly obvious?
Dont be out of line of sight from your healer
If enemy is popping off you can avoid damage with line of sight
You dont wanna stack up with your team if you're gonna get your head cleaved off
Like this is just little bit of brain engaged ye?
But that’s another thing that’s not taught or trickled down
Healer trinket is last
Well I agree that there’s too much context and situational stuff
That it can’t all be written down
I just contend that the framework to proper pvp isn’t taught well to even begin to think critically within that sandbox about situational stuff
Yeah I agree that
thats the difference between pvp and pve
u cant just write down what u do in every situatuon
The arenajunkies forum or whatever had a ton of good posts about shit
because there are too many variables
When the community was way more alive
The playerbase that pvps like that is just much smaller now
I think CD trading has trickled down well
That’s about it
I think the best learning for me was watching a streamer of my class and trying to think about what I’d press into that situation what they did instead and try and figure out why
Yeah
I think that’s a function of arena slowly dying and the old guard just enjoying what time is left with it. Compared to like league where there’s always really motivated young blood
It could be if the good wow players were social media literate
I mean not like full time job money but
You don't have to make a 3h video to teach stuff
Skill capped youtube has some decent things to catch people attention tho they do milk the shit out of the way they word things to make video hit certain duration thresholds
I’m a sub to skill capped always have been
Their videos are inconsistent
I actually think it’s p good if ur making an alt for pvp and know literally nothing about the class
Like if I wanted to make a demo lock and don’t know what the abilities do
But their YouTube stuff has been very click baity
If you're just your own person doing content about 1 or 3 specs that you play, it isn't much work to make videos like that
idk atleast in my experience playing alts
i usualyl just learn by playing or watching ppl play
Tier list Shit
not weird guides
You also do nothing but pvp in wow for 4 years @viscid remnant
false
All you do since you play wow is pvp
i mean depends what u consider
Face is being shitty elitist
Don’t blame ya
Not for everyone
My guild just called it quits on fated raids lol
They were wiping on remnant nonstop 😂😂😂
I'm not being elitist, david just can't see things from a different perspective than his own of playing 600+ games every season for years
" for years"
the thing is
i havent been playing pvp that long
played bfa s4 from the middle of the seas till end
sl s1 i quit mid way sl s2/3 i quit at the start and came back at the end
so its pretty wrong what u are saying
i cant see it from a mythic raider prespective but i was for sure a pver mainly
i have every aotc in legion except EN because i literally started playing wow when nh was released
idk what is this sussy cope face
Yeah like 10-12 of the core including myself elected to not raid this season. So it’s been weird
4 healing with 19 people
Nah
What cope
You're saying guide content is bad cuz you just play the game and learned playing
That's stupid
Hello
No im saying u dont need guides because u can learn from playing
I don’t think guides are good
Not the guides that exist like wowhead
You’re better off lurking class discords for best practices I feel
But guide content can only be positive for the game
I learned more reading resto chat over time than a guide
Ppl take guides like they are gospel but usually guides like wowhead are outdated/written by random ppl
Depends on author too yeah
Tettles sandbagged everyone to go kyrian start of SL
I was in class discord and heard rumblings about NF being pretty good after the last second buff and was only NF boomkin out of 4 and destroyed all of them lol
Realreal real real
When CN opened
But it’s random af
Like resto I think torty’s guide on ice veins is really good
I look sick
And the wowhead one is frequently wrong
Ok maybe dont listen to tettles youtube video predictions for new ptach
Good job on not being baited
Nah i learned that I just listen to jundarer
Jundarer catha and torty/voulk
And gas tank

Idk
When will you stop being a listener
And start being a talker
Do your own research man

I’m not smart enough to be a talker
I am
But the thing is
King feelycrafter and tooltip truster
That’s why I just follow what smarter players do
hahahahha f2f dum
Like I'm not saying the pvp guides that exist in wow rn are good. But the concept of having people in the community on social media putting out good guides would only be good for the game. You're implying it would be bad just cuz you learned stuff by playing the game instead of reading guides. It's a bad take.
I just don’t think arena can be condensed into written guides without being as basic as what we got which is just talents and legos
And yet you never went necro bear like I say

The best wow players are troglodytes
Ofc the concept of guides isnt bad im saying if the guides are bad or u have u pay for them u can just play normally and activate brain neurons and learn from playing
++++++++++++++++++
I don’t see face2faxe on this list
literally
No but you can put out small videos over time about stuff like you were saying earlier, position in a triangle in a caster comp, or use pillar LOS to avoid a cc cast, you dont wanna start CC casts in a position where you can be easily lined, etc.
Convince catha and have him say it
Why you must hurt me so?
Then I go necrobear
I’ve seen certaindruidw try and teach people on stream
“Just make sure you have clean goes and do big dam”
Unironically watching the miestro play teaches u more about pvp than 90% of "guides"
True and real
Ok listen catha is hpriest main now
Like u can pick up some good habits
Face what is this
Alright - I added the numbers and... 311 Sire Hat + 291 ring + 304 Signet VS 291 hat + 304/304 mechagon rings (with 100% uptime on the haste) difference is..
-30 Int, -56 Stam (1,120 HP), +93 Haste (92 haste from ring), +252 crit, +3 mast, -251 Vers.
Something i start noticing more is when priests run in to fear you its so obvious so you can literally just run away
Not tilting and and figuring out why you lost is good teacher too
Who is doing this much for secondaries
Feelycrafting with numbers to disguise it as actual math
That is bad feelycrafting
Braindmgcraft
I got 2% more vers and I FEEL tankier
Actually true
Blizz did a good job of that this expac imo
My rogue went from like 36% to 40% versa feels a lot more tanky
You can argue about min maxing the last few % of throughput
Sure its not because i got 10 more ilvls
But if u largely just wear highest ilvl you won’t go wrong
XD
Nothing tilts me more than guildies rambling on about secondaries
Affixes this week arent bad
If they talked about how to dodge the mechanic as much as they talked about secondaries we’d down bosses faster
it's ok to prepare for the raid beforehands
gamer
But if you prepare for the raid before hands, what do you do after hands
How’s wotlk Trev y
usually after feetplay
Do I play
I'm tryna figure out how to gear no idea wtf goin on
If I buy boost does it come with max professions
My hunter and dh are out all week for IRL stuff and I have no clue what to do with my life
no
its just a basic 70 boost
but its worth
feral in wotlk looks sick
incentivized to keep SR up
I think I maxed skinning and almost leatherworking in classic
its a 30%+ dmg amp instead of what 15
Do I go benediction. Or faerlina
Pykan face reveal?
Are you like big big?
How much do you weigh
grob is the 3rd highest pop server with the best faction split
205 lbs give or take
Pykan is workout personal trainer
I am not fat. Lol
Faerilina is horde dom
So not fat
What server is mommy dom?
in wrath?>
Height?
fist 2 ssn horde is better
hpal meta
then human is too op
I don’t want to play a shitty hpal
rdru is not a spec
5’ 9.
But classic druid feels so bad man
Short king
U shape shift 4 times you’re oom

Classic feral is a1
Ok you're built then
Ok I’m rdru
I'm 5'9 too but like 145lb @haughty compass
Short king yes lol
Actually a chicken man
Short gang bro
my channel is hosted in poland
someone teach me pvp I have a pally
so use kg and cm
93kg
fed
OOF PYKAN SHORT
after poo or before
no
66kg
how to pvp
skinny af
is that big
but also like country music so small brain
nvm
no trevor its skinny
wind would fuck u
pvp how
Skinny arms, legs like tree trunks tho
damgur = pvp god
my broken arm is already
half of the normal one
gonna be cool
grining back
grinding
I Olympic lift and do conditioning. Short kings are good at these things
No shot lol
Push buttons, don’t die to their buttons
puth
true
ep dont like
ok its just a meme but idk how u can like it
Imagine being in the face2face camp
quite braindmg
@crystal forge I tried to like it
or when u haver strong pills like myself
RUSH E RUSH E RUSH E RUSH E RUSH E
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Like i said a few days ago its an aquired music taste same as punk or metal
ex wow pvp dev i think
Grob bene faerlina are the top 3 pop servers
I am not doing the usual remote login from work song and dance for a 20 year old game
its a long queue if u want any of those 3
It was a copy and paste from twitter!!!
i shall root out
I haven’t actually played !
It was gekz twitter
Enjoy your vehicle gameplay and defined meta
I don’t like SL anymore either lol
Hahahaha
wotlk is so good
Honor grind is still real in retail
When you guys get stomped by a shadowmourne tsg I will be here
Ele sham
I liked fc'ing in classic because you can do all the jumps everywhere
are you na
Felt like there was actually some skill cap unlike retail
It’s too bad you’re not an rsham
Oh I was scrolled
Saw bg talk
I am NA
Puzzle if I level a fury and we spam DH fury rdu... we hit 2.4
we can queue whenever im not farming on classic
Fury sp is the ethical way
i gotta get geared by saturday tho cuz i got in a raiding guild
coo I'm about to sleep then look up guides
I have a pally but I wanna make a pvp toon
honestly Root
Selectstar needs action besides daily skirm win
skill capped
Root what do u play
is a good starter guide channel
Are u srs about wanting to pvp
I have a 70 pally but have boost
I can help too
yea what should I make
Oh is this for wrath
never heard of skillcapped
wrath
If u wanna go that route I will help gear fury lol
u should get that started asap
honour is a deadly grind
the pieces are cheap but if u want actual gear
I think only ones who can speak intelligently on wrath pvp is Ent and EP
ignore the skillcapped reference
Here
i thought you meant retail
If you're a multi challenger then yes it's worth
Or if you're trying to main swap I guess
Honestly skill capped did nothing for me
You're better than a multi challenger tbf
But maybe there isn’t much good rdru stuff
I have a lvl 54 high mountain fury warr
Skillcapped helped me a bit
I don’t think I’m that good
It teaches stuff I already know and doesn’t elaborate on stuff I don’t
cd trading etc
Can prob hit 60 pretty quick
that i didnt know going in so
the heck
And then you can get mad at me for dying out of your LoS
Well hot damn
I’m used to it
Fel rush behind pillar without trinket into kidney into 3v1 and smoke bomb doesn’t phase me anymore
But really idc I’d just really like to play some type of 3s where comp makes sense lol
Yea we can try DH moonkin. Will be my last attempt at having fun on Druid, I’m so over it
If not maybe fury scum
If I could convince my wife to let me make content for evoker I could be ok at it. I’m skilled at teaching something... actually dumb with editing etc
pvp will be alliance dominant on wotlk right
think u can
just character transfer and name change in the services at least
Wep 19000 - Done
Idol 5700
Helm 9500
Shoulders 7600
Chest 9500
Pants 9500
rings 5700x2
neck 5700
cloak 5700
trinkets 3990x2
Belt 7600
total + wep = 99,180
holy fuck
100k honour for a full pvp set
atleast i got my wep out of the way
what the
i think i would rather
play against the most kenker comps for 10 games in a row
than do av
Then do 100k honors worth of AV?
its legit the worst thing u can do to ur mental i think
XD
classic good btw
copium
Until they add the yellow glow border around quest items
I’m not playing any version of classic
im pretty sure the honor gear grind in tbc
Fuck reading quest texts to figure out what I actually have to do
takes like 100 hours of bgs
atleast
like its legit
worse than retail
for gearing
Atleast you largely play the content u want to play in retail
retail gearing is probably like the best thing in life compared to tbc gearing
As opposed to doing 100k worth of AV just to start pvping lol
yeah
i tried pveing with shit gear in tbc s1 and it was not a great experience
maybe its gotten better but i played before they buffed arena point gains
like i capped like 3-4 weeks with the absolute worst gear barely getting loot from raids getting facerolled by rogues that press 1 button and kidney on cd their top dmg is auto attack like idk and i got barely any points each week
probably worse experience than retail
classic was pretty dope for the first couple weeks
Then it’s just min / max, world buff gameplay
Not fun
leveling was pretty fun
very cozy experience
did 2 characters 1-60 with no boosts or whatever
I did balance Druid lol
pretty fun when u are in the mood for it and dont care about rushing
Even farmed Mara for that dagger and got it
i played rogue XD
and i sat in dire mole entrance
and just gave ppl kenker
the classic experience

I got a toep on moonkin and just starfired people at BRM
If you sniped someone with their buffs it was a great time
I ran with a priest and a rogue a lot
learning the ways of @crystal forge
i dont think ive seen any feral
in like 100 games
i dont remember the last time i saw one
I played some funsies 3s just now
Lock caster cleave with rdru
And some combination of ret warrior dk
There isnt even any rmps anymore
come to think about it ive not seen a single feral in shuffle
any1 over 20k soul ash should b sent to a mental asylum
itz cuz they are all bear
Are rdruid good in arena right now?
yes
I played a shuffle the other day that was feral hunter prot pal vs feral hunter prot pal lol
rare
Yeah I screenshotted it way up there
I started taking that advice to just win 3 rounds then int the next 3
gotta win all 6 or you suck
u cant win when u have a 60k hp mage with no defences or poly bound
in this game
XD
only the support roles can easily get 6
dps is harder cuz they just go the other dps
no its easier to get 6 if i have max gear and something bursty like mm or sickle or vendetta and tunnel low hp guy on enemy team
idk there are some guides that might be good
like i see lontar is planning to make some guide
might be okay
but theres no way of knowing
I want a prot paladin guide
Prot paladin rdru fury warrior @haughty compass

I think of how fun it would be to try different comps etc, then I log in and think of the gear grind
And log out
Boomer schedule, I only play a few hours
I’d rather spend that time staring at LFG obv
@viscid remnant log we m+
ok feji i will google a resto druid guide
hm nvm
i checked the pins in resto channel
forget i said that
Omg fuji actually convinced David
log in we m+
i have the biggest 17 lower
trust
no puzzle i said
forget i said that
its too much
i already invision what will happen
i make legenadrt
idk talents
i feed
we lose
feji mald
idk
cba pveing
and what for
nono
no reason
shadap
ur brain is rotted
nice come

True
idk i am bored
wdym reroll my key
When u time a key u can reroll at NPC at end of dungeon
If you time a key, anyone in the group can talk to a dude and get a new key
????????????????????????????
But u have to do equal or higher
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I guess no one told fuji
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Yea, it lets you out of Lower prison
That’s why he’s done nothing but Kara’s
You should be excited
This entire season
bro
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
NO ONE TOLD THIS MAN HE COULR CHANGE HIS SHITTY KEYS
I thought it was 1 higher but I am not a keyer
Also
I got my 2k and got out
A good way to reroll Thag key and will likely happen
is mount 2k ?
Is you scuff your 17
i tohught it was 2.5
And it becomes a 16 something else
2.5 was when we had 10 dungeons
That’s 15 across board
Mount and upgrading to 298 is 2k yeah
With 8 it’s 2k
I have some 19s some 12s, I'm all over the place
We’re finishing our KSM Friday night
Then I’m never doing a fucking key again
Until DF
Bored enough to do kyrian rdru feral?

arent u also going to die
Than necro
much faster
Auto phial
And ur dam creates a 15% DR absorb shield
For me
It’s actually not that much squishier
I ran it a lot in s2
And only reason why it hurt in s2 was cause I had to run cov lego and didn’t have VI
can try i suppose

humungus
He’s sending Marv a message first
sure
Who’s Marv again
No clue
Axtin
axtin
no its barely 1 page
There's pages ?
Well I always have fun
shut up noobatron
@stray sigil treat ep with respect
my feral is dogshit geared on eu
and i have 1 hand
its week 3rd
out off like
6 or 8
and iam sill blasting tramal
the pain stomper based on crack
ur on krek patron ?
i try to not



I just haven’t been playing much. Rating hasn’t moved
WE’LL FIX THAT PYKAN
this pisslow warrior would rather play with a boomy than a feral in 3s

well ok then lfg
A boomie? Why
Conq banner
ium not linking u shit
Kyrian boomkin
sucks cuz this druid has lowish xp
but still
these ppl should cream
at me listing up
Warrior + boomy is not good imo
these ppl should cream
at me listing up

Get a load of Fuji
Lmao
true
CR is what matters
na cr doesnt matter actually
If only u pushed s2
can guarantee u that boomy was like 1.8
and they are going to lose every game
im 1.5
So you could be like 3.3exp
and they would win every game
tru or tru
ye s2 is when my gf cheated on me
so i kinda quit life almost


I need help, playing resto+fury in 2's and have an 0-16 record vs mistweaver+outlaw rogue around 2300. Anybody have some advice on what the fuck we can do do win?

🤝 Fuji this you and my arcane
Cr matters cuz if we get random one shotted in the opener I lose 400pts
I know it’s on me tbh, I’m so busy atm
everyone wants teh yungkekner
so i just let it
i ask for yungkenker
Cause I figure it’s more chill for u
But if u truly give no fucks
Fuck ur waddling blue gear dwarf
I want to play with the giga feral
Lmao
if ppl are like 290 atleast
i can q feral
i just dont wanna have
to 1v9
cuz 250 ilvl
So instead I’m healing 2 250 ilvls
true
And that’s how we have 10 minute RMDs
My thing is, if you don’t understand how my spec plays... shut the f up. Rofl.
I started logging in like
in general
lol
Sitting and arguing about why something didn’t work triggers me fr
no way dude
I'm not as highly rated or as good as you so take this with grains of salt.
Your warrior will never kill that rogue and any attempt will give the rogue more CDR for their defensives.
Your only hope is to try to make the rogue have low/no uptime and have your warrior chase the monk.
with 19 min q
I only have experience with DH. And I haven’t played much 2s this season with outlaw now going for a damage lego. What’s killing you? Is it going to mega damp?
but i def come off as whiny mayb
Press on yung king
Yo I will become the next vultz / numbing if it meant I had an rmd / mwwd/ fmp
But atm playing with my dad friends in Mordor
Sorry Druid mage ww
Yea. I think those are the best comps and yea my phone just auto corrected
Boomers would just call it something like Walking Arcanist Cleave
We all saw WotLK -> WoD comp names
Winning is fun
did they peak 1800 in s2
DH BOOMY PYKAN. THEN RET WAR
I’m not gonna lie, I prob won’t level another char for a bit lol
ok arcane ww
We can DH moonkin and see how It goes. Very likely going to make a resto leggo and heal aff / unholy
Those are what my friends play and they are good, so I can just afk heal
That sounds so good aff unholy
@shrewd crown this u
@pallid coral
idk
which one
i dont know anymore
did they swap back
idk
not me
homerj did certaintly look quite sick
He need some medicine or what
😲

sussy activities
And it’s DG. DG has so many good emotes that only #pvp uses
this is also great for floppy Druids

Discord nitro is bis
Actually so is the twitch sub
Whatever that one is
Where u skip all ads period
Adblocker
Twitch turbo is so good man
isntit like
People are always like wtf 6 ads in a row
25$ a month
Don’t see it
you are sus
Idk man I have no clue how much it costs
adblocker is literally free
ok
Even if u “block” the ads with turbo

Bearftw mmarkers and Nogard
And I get all the benefits of subbing everyone
Turbo doesn't support streamers any more than watching the ads
He was the only rdruid streamer I found for a bit
Used to watch flop a lot but he bailed for holy priest
Flop has no choice, gotta practice for AWC afterall
Yeah don’t blame him at all
Yes
And per guilty it doesn’t have a pvp coefficient
Which I’m assuming means it should do full value
i want those rip
Me too
~~19k at 298
It’s ok as long as were all having fun we’re glad In our own special way 👍

ngl classic feral might unburn me from retail feral
Shifting being tied to mana is the most troll shit in the universe
Mcp's are also seriously unfun
feral dps 6100 mana in shitter gear
cat form costs 300
you literally have 20 shapeshifts
you dont pshift anymore so you dont even shift that much ur tripping over feathers
that and MCP was a minimal gain it was only used if u wanted to degenerately min max id argue that engi bombing is more unfun than mcp
I haven't played classic since p6 so idk
Bro that’s so true
I was using mcps and ppwershifting
I remember I logged back into classic to play. And I was thinking about what I wanted to do and just did what I normally do in oribos. Run around in circles and shift around. I OOMed running around in thrallmar just thinking
Said fuck this
And logged out
Yeah its lame as fucj
Like
If I'm a feral druid and I'm supposed to use my cat form to melee, why is my mana attached to that
And like you still have to use energy too
I think for pve classic is better (for how I’d like to play game)
No m+ easy raid. Show up shoot the Shit with the boys. Smash shit. Get loot. See ya next week
Tbf tho, feral play style of managing your mana and off healing and dmg / cc was really fun and peak play style for me
I just played it a ton back then, and no desire to do that content again
100%
I don’t like this esports turbo nerd competitive mechanics soup pve lately lol. Sepulcher changed my opinion on if I like m raiding or not


