resto

[balmy spire]

must be a pro player if you progress the whole evening and dont watch your own vods 😛

[dire hinge]

no i mean to laugh

at my own performance

[balmy spire]

must be hard if you dont have fun at games

[formal fjord]

Rofl Im.the same so knew exactly what u meant

Im assuming its just, hey please invite me i dont suck

U cn add notes when u request to join groups

[spring fulcrum]

whats the easiest way to use this

[balmy spire]

dont use it

easiest way

[spring fulcrum]

without hotw cat

as keeper for m+

[dire hinge]

do dots proc it?

[formal fjord]

Yeah like how about convoke in cat

Actually

Convoke is one spell

Itil be anything that says spell.on its id

That u literally have to hard cast

[dire hinge]

i was more thinking moonfire or bleed once after using it and forget

[balmy spire]

5 casts = 5 casts

[dire hinge]

or is it direct dmg only

[balmy spire]

as i said, just dont use it

[dire hinge]

shame

[spring fulcrum]

yea idk henec i ask

[dire hinge]

I do wonder

cuz when I play it on holy pala

[spring fulcrum]

maybe 5 sunfires?

[dire hinge]

sometimes all 5 stacks just

gone

after one sotr hit

might just be buggy idk

[spring fulcrum]

its great on bosses with hotw cat

great but pointless during dream scenarios burst

not needed during convoke

[fervent mica]

kotg isn't real

[spring fulcrum]

its the only fun druid spec

[fervent mica]

holy priest enjoyer, huh?

[spring fulcrum]

disc

[spark river]

dream scenarios = dream of cenarius for those confused

[spring fulcrum]

but im not usually a healer, but since my main is dead. rdruid seemed fun

[formal fjord]

Im having a ball!

[dire hinge]

this is first time I actually gave rdru any sort of serious try

its pretty fun so far

[spring fulcrum]

the only actual use im giving it is during bosses cat hotw, and at the end of dream cenarius burst, so i haave time to apply hots

[fallen dune]

does anyone know if its possible to add to danders frames the litany buff? cant find the option

[balmy spire]

its an absorb

not a buff

[fallen dune]

its both

not just an absorb

[spark river]

You use it and the group should have absorbs? I dont see a reason to track it as a buff

[fervent mica]

if anything you just make it so you see shields on allies

just pull out your disc ui

[fallen dune]

bc classes have their own absorbs too, but the buff only applies when the trinket absorb is up, doesnt it?

[fervent mica]

wouldn't you want to see when they have a personal absorb up too?

[fallen dune]

ye ofc, didnt say i didnt want it

what i want is to see all absorbs + the litany dr

in case someone has an absorb + litany absorb

so i know that guy doesnt have the dr

[balmy spire]

dunno why you want those seperate

absorb = absorb, who cares if its personal or litanys

[fallen dune]

bc the litanies gives a buff, i just explained it

dont u like to see if u use ironbark on someone how much time left he has the defensive?

[fervent mica]

its not a dr though...

[balmy spire]

ironbark is a def buff not an absorb

[fervent mica]

it just only absorbs half of the damage taken

[trail crown]

We can’t use weakauras anymore, can we?

[fervent mica]

limited use of them

a lot of things are private

[trail crown]

I googled for some mythic+ dungeon auto marking dangerous mobs and it showed some old weakaura pack

[haughty ibex]

i think people now use macros? with extra addons for focus markers ig

[fervent mica]

mdt has a focus macro/announce at key ready check feature now

[spare maple]

To heal crystals on lura what do you guys do? Maybe a stupid question but i move lb from myself to a crystal right?

[marsh prism]

no

first set double rejuv ns regrowth and then regrowth from ramp

second set you can consider ironbarking for rh but same principle

[trail crown]

What does that do?

[fervent mica]

it tells other people in the key what you plan to kick... and builds a macro for you to focus and mark a target of your choice

[stable verge]

Really makes you wonder what the point of the addon stuff even was

Aside from asking people to have 10differents addon to cover what was done by one

And I'm still mad I can't track stuff like darkness/Zephyr properly

[spark river]

I like the weakaura purge, but the addon purge was a meme

[haughty ibex]

is there even a decent kicktracker

[stable verge]

A couple yeah

[haughty ibex]

what u using?

[stable verge]

Exwing is doing a lot of stuff these days

[fervent mica]

don't they only work if you actually get the kick? or did they figure out another way

[haughty ibex]

oh ye i know it has kicktracker but is a bit meh

ye i think kick has to be successful

[fervent mica]

so if you overlap it looked like ones still available

[spark river]

Every kick tracker is basically guessing if you kicked or not

[stable verge]

Ye

[spark river]

There isnt a reliable way to track it

[haughty ibex]

tragic

[stable verge]

It's still better than nothing I guess

The fact that the MDI Ui tracks all majors cooldowns + kick + has a % tracking mid pull but we don't is wild

[spark river]

Yeah that was pretty funny

[haughty ibex]

the fact that blizzard doesn’t provide it as base ui is acc mindblowing

like is not something important to know

[stable verge]

Yeah it's madness

I've seen an addon that does track all cds, including stuff like racial/zephyr, but I believe everyone in the group has to run it

[thorn whale]

tALk tO yOuR fELlow pLaYerS

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[stable verge]

fuck'em I won't speak to disgusting boomkins

[thorn whale]

I hate not being able to reliably track personals cds or big defensives like AMZ / Darkness / Zephyr

I just hope they have it up when I ping them

Thanks blizzard big QOL changes

[stable verge]

All of this shit but L'ura still had people running an addon to sort out the symbol mechanic

Wildest shit

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/its-actually-a-spaceship-adrian-harding-daydrian-harding-its-like-a-real-spacecraft-it-looks-like-a-real-space-vehicle-gif-27388525

[thorn whale]

If people had not made that addon, that boss would get extended by fking 100 pulls atleast

[haughty ibex]

literally

[stable verge]

That's a blizzard problem on balancing, ultimately it does not matter one bit

Make it only 2 symbols or give them 2minutes to do it, doesn't matter

It's not consistent with what they aimed to do

[haughty ibex]

i mean the addon makes the fight way easier no? but is it like necessary

[thorn whale]

3 symbols, 1 for each realm

Gg

[thorn whale]

Yes

It would be mega comms issue

[stable verge]

No addons were ever necessary if you think about it. But some bosses would be 1500 pulls then

[haughty ibex]

then wat happened to making bosses easier and shit too so no addons are required

[thorn whale]

The boss is great

[stable verge]

Well voidspire was good in that aspect I guess

[thorn whale]

Just not aligned with what they said

[haughty ibex]

idk cuz I don’t raid 💯💯 but to me doesn’t make much sense

[stable verge]

Yeah watching clear and I just thinking what was the whole point of it all anyway ?

[fervent mica]

blizzard always pulls in different directions. way too many cooks in the kitchen type vibes

[stable verge]

In any case, I do think we'll have better options from base UI starting next patch but stilll

[fervent mica]

game is good right now, its just not what they said they wanted

[stable verge]

Yeah overall I think it's a W so far

[thorn whale]

I only want defensive tracking back

That’s all

It makes 0 sense why that part of the healer agency is gone

I think it’s just good skill expression

[haughty ibex]

targeted spells was also so good

[stable verge]

We kinda have it still though

[haughty ibex]

i mean we have cast bars but still…

[stable verge]

It's shit, but we have it x)

[haughty ibex]

yeah jst hits different 😔

[stable verge]

On the topic of consistency, it doesn't make any sense to give us this but not the previous version

It achieves the same thing, just in an uglier manner

[haughty ibex]

i agree

I don’t get why they just removed it randomly

[fervent mica]

yeah... either they need to finish the purge and make base ui better... or just

https://tenor.com/view/let-it-go-elsa-disney-disney-princess-queen-gif-3597315

[stable verge]

I'd rather the first but ye

[dire hinge]

wait a second...

[glossy onyx]

I wish they would just let it go, so, we can Rebirth the WeakAura guy back to life

Everything Blizz has done so far has amounted to a lesser version of an add-on that some random dude works on for free

[stable verge]

I mean I don't think it's fine for a game to sorta demand addons to be truly playable so I'd rather see a full purge + improvement on blizz UI

But the current compromise clearly fails at adressing this concern anyway

[stable verge]

Also sadly, the few information available on that has been that an extremely limited amount of developers actually work on UI stuff specificaly, hence the slow updates

[glossy onyx]

They're reinventing the wheel, opensource code exists for them to work with, instead we get whatever this is

[stable verge]

Considering 90% of what we want seems to be existing already (e.g. UI see in MDI broadcast), I'd venture to say they just don't want to give that to people

.. for some reason

[glossy onyx]

For the future console launch that will net 1000 new subs

[stable verge]

hey who knows

[left sage]

Im not sure if that’s what you mean, but minicc has spell tracker, you can turn off other spells than defensives

[old panther]

Guys my friend sucks but he is to proud to have a stranger help him https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mrVHcjxgDAXCWR3J?playermetric=hps&fight=27&type=healing&source=1 what’s he doing wrong

I don’t now much about Druid so i need simple explanations kek

[robust ibex]

not keeping lifebloom up long enough for a quick start

[old panther]

Dragons and fallen kings are good to look at aswell

[robust ibex]

low casts of swiftmend as well

[old panther]

Can you explain swift mend to me does it have 1 charge or 2

[thorn whale]

it's bugged

[spark river]

Give me a second

[old panther]

Do you just spam it of cd on target or boss ?

[robust ibex]

swiftmend has 1 charge and it essentially empowers 2 spells, so you want to rejuv and wildgrowth with those buffs from swiftmend

plus swiftmend extends lifebloom on the target

[old panther]

On the swiftmend target or others or does it not matter ?

[robust ibex]

you want to swiftmend whoever has lifebloom on them

[old panther]

I’ve seen they mostly use it on tanks is life bloom rng or can u force it ?

[robust ibex]

lifebloom is just casted on whoever, probably better casted n a tank

you pick, its not rng

[old panther]

So u swift mend on cd and shit all spells on tank that’s being hit ?

If nothing is happening I mean like generally

[robust ibex]

i am a tourist to r druid tho so Solareana can probably give you a better idea

[old panther]

Y im sadly a chad dk so i know nothing about Druid but the archeus guys are helpful so figured this would be aswell

[royal radish]

In Raid, Lifebloom goes on SELF (restodruid) > Swiftmend also > SELF

[spark river]

Probably the most important thing is that hes playing the wrong talent build. He should always be up to date to the latest talents builds through wowhead and warcraftlogs.

He has horrible lifebloom uptime at 33% and every time he renewed was outside of the pandemic window which is <4.5s which is a big problem. He should always have lifebloom and 2x rejuvs on himself and extend them on cd with swiftmend. His swiftmend has an awful 0.9 cpm. He doesnt press it at all. It needs to be pressed on cd and sotf buff used on rejuv. He can use lifebloomalert for a lifebloom reminder and cdm tts for a swiftmend reminder.

He also needs to learn to ramp and get the most out of abundance. Ramp to 12 abundance and then regrowth spam until he hits 6 and cycle. He needs to also have ramps for convoke and tranq. Tranq ramps should be at least 15 rejuvs with wg before both.

Innervate should be used primarily on rejuvenations and wild growths.
He should enchant all of his gear.

Learning to ramp properly is probably the biggest improvement he ll see.

[robust ibex]

why do you lifebloom yourself in raid? I actually have no idea

[spark river]

It doesnt empower wg anymore

[spark river]

Lifebloom should be used only on self in raid

[robust ibex]

see im a tourist, ill be asking these questions in a few weeks lol

[spark river]

You always swiftmend the lb person which will be yourself in raid

[old panther]

So the top parsers are cheesing ?

I know healing logs are weirdge

[spark river]

Its not cheesing

[old panther]

They always swiftmended tank from what i saw

[spark river]

Lb on self increases apex healing

[old panther]

Ok so what is ramp

You shit out rejuvs to get stacks

[teal bluff]

Building abundance with rejuv

[old panther]

Then convince to shut more healing )

?

[spark river]

Casting 12 rejuvs (or more) for abundance stacks and then spamming regrowth until you fall down to 6 and then cycle again

[old panther]

Convoke*

ah ok

[robust ibex]

do you just double rejuv now or regrowth?

[spark river]

Almost every sotf buff should go on rejuv in raid

To maintain abundance

[robust ibex]

sweet ty

[old panther]

Was the lightbloom a commonality did you look at salladman and dragons ?

I knew the swiftmend was a thing

[robust ibex]

im leveling a druid now to dip my toes into raid healing

[spark river]

Yes he has the same issues across every boss

[old panther]

Pog

I assume there is a talent build somewhere here what is the name of the abundance talent ? When i find it

[teal bluff]

Also as many hots on urself as possible to proc lb very often

Its just called abundance

[spark river]

Check wowhead for talent build

Abundance is the name of the talent its in the bottom right side of the restoration tree

[subtle cobalt]

good resource right here that reiterates a lot of what Sol is saying https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes

[teal bluff]

Also the cpm should be higher in general

[spark river]

It should be, but considering hes at 48 overall cpm, its not that big of a deal as the other mistakes

Thats the easiest thing to fix

[teal bluff]

Right

[balmy spire]

Whats the math to get 24% more healing on yourself with apex while Lb'ing yourself?

[grizzled seal]

It's more than 24%

16% forestwalk, 20% symbiotic bloom amp from the last talent + implant, 4% from WS tree and 4% from class tree

[solid hemlock]

First week raid healing (just heroic including l'ura) on resto this week. If I don't use WG poorly or regrowth (outside of a good abundance window) in an inefficient manner, mana should be ok?

[balmy spire]

so its useless to lb someone else with that boost on lb yourself

[spark river]

If you play correctly, yes

[solid hemlock]

I'll make my abundance counter even more obvious then 😄

would love a trigger that when it hits like 12 TTS shouts at me 'regrowth now' lmao

[subtle cobalt]

Hottracker possibly has a sound component? Not at PC right now so I could be tripping https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/rejuvtracker

Either way it's nicer than just having an abundance icon

[earnest nimbus]

Hello!! I see on Archon a lot of people are opt in in using Moonkin form and Starfire, that means that you stop using catwaving? Because at the same time Circle of the Wild is selected for physical damage

[spark river]

There are people playing cat, there are people playing caster (you dont play boomkin, its just a pathing node) and there are people playing a mix of cat and starfire

Any option you choose doesnt matter that much as the damage we do isnt that high

Cat is more prio damage, caster is more pad aoe

[earnest nimbus]

Ook! Ty very much Solareana!

[livid hearth]

@main timber I can dm u if needed, can u again help me understand a log of a top player log?

[spark river]

You can also ask here, plenty of people who can help out

[livid hearth]

Im new to resto and tried to compare the top parse/key resto chinese druid of npx with my run. Most of my stuff was fine but lower than his but seemed like he changes his lifebloom target a lot instead of not dropping stack like i do. Wanted to understand that logic if anyone understand

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tR6Y7kJQgdFMGa3C?fight=14&type=healing&source=3

I wanted to ask voulk because he just helps without extra comment while everyone else here "dont follow chinese logs" "they do their own thing" etc instead of just answering xD

[hearty coral]

Yes swapping in m+ is fine

[spark river]

Well you have to understand that comparing with the highest of keys is not quite the best way to understand the class.

He shifts his lifebloom around on a squishy target which I assume would be aug evoker most of the time because its the class that takes the most damage.

He switches it back to tank when his group is not taking larger amount of damage

You can see on the log that most of the time lifebloom is on the brewmaster monk and when he feels that aug might die he switches it onto him

[tired saffron]

Hey guys is there someone that can check my logs to see if theres anything im doing wrong?

[dire hinge]

ud have to post the log for that

[haughty ibex]

is kinda impossible to compare logs of diff keylvls, best u can do is to compare to another log of ur same keylvl with bosses of the same duration, but in lower keys people will trollplay or make some mistakes just because it doesn’t really matter. focus on ur cpm uptime etc

what keylvl did u do on nxp?

[tired saffron]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pzwv6rjcHkFYqTQL?fight=20
appreciate it if you could check last skyreach key couldnt keep the ppl up on last boss

[livid hearth]

lvl 12, but if i see good nx 12 runs i would find top runner runnign it 5 weeks ago when meta was different or smth but ur right

[dire hinge]

I'll leave that for the experts I meant like just post

[solid hemlock]

12 has more variables like glue eating and stuff imho

[ebon flower]

hi all, are there are resourced besides wowhead/icyvein i can go through to learn some tips to maximise healing when in m+?

These are some of the things ive gathered, wonder if they're correct:

1. Keep LB on up tank, and of squishy player. Try not to refresh above 4.5 seconds or swap LB target too often.
2. Keep as many hots on the LB target and SW LB target to extend hots.
3. WG and SW often
4. Don't overclick Rejuv, use SoTF to spread Rejuv efficiently.
5. Spam Regrowth at high Abundance stack.

Am i missing anything? Thanks!

[livid hearth]

I see, if u wanna see more clear i compared my analyzer to compare and on his lifebloom usage wowanalyzer shows who he is swapping to:

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/tR6Y7kJQgdFMGa3C/14/3

ur right he put it on his evoker at start

then he held it on tank for a while then swapping to evoker again

[spark river]

Wowanalyzer is made strictly for raiding and not useful much for keys

I looked at the logs and I know its between the brew and the aug

[livid hearth]

Yeah i used it on my raiding but just to try to improve or compare how much other druids uses their spell becuase i cant read logs

for exmaple i see how many regrowth they use compared to my run etc

i realized i didnt use my regtrowth as much and let my teammates die meanwhile they used it twice as much

so yeah i use it to just compare other logs not to listen to wowanalyzer feedback

[spark river]

I d say thats pretty much it except for 5. You should always be on 5-7 abundance stacks in keys, so tracking abundance in keys is not really something you do

[haughty ibex]

well u also have to consider the keylvl, they take so much more dmg from everything compared to a 12

so he will need 4 rg to heal what u do with 1

[livid hearth]

yeah but spamming regrowth i feel rly improved my skill in keys

because just maintaining hots many teammates were on half hp waiting for hots to top them

and one dangerous spell oneshot them

now im just spamming regrowths when my SM and cds are on cd

which made it more smooth

[thorn plover]

Gm

[hearty coral]

That's part of knowing the dungeon though too

[spark river]

[hearty coral]

You shouldn't leave people at 50% if anything is possibly coming out even kickables

[dire hinge]

question is how did the get to the point where they have no hots on em and they're all half hp

[hearty coral]

Cause that's relying on the DPS to save themselves

[noble crystal]

Anyone know how to get a mouse over macro for rejuv ? i mean iknow macros but i dunno what to type

[spark river]

You can use the blizzard mouseovers in settings, clicked or clique addons

[fierce isle]

For Myth crown do you guys swap lifebloom to absorbs?

[dire hinge]

@spark river #resto message

https://tenor.com/view/my-job-here-is-done-bye-done-gif-14879937

[livid hearth]

they have hots but its too slow without regrowth to top them up

like 2 instant coming after each other in 2 seconds

which 1 regrowth saved them within those 2 seconds

[noble crystal]

ehm , im trying with the settings but it gives me a bind.. not a mouse over

[haughty ibex]

check the setting and leave it to ‘none’

everything is mouseover now

[spark river]

You need to be prepared for damage on the squishiest targets in the group pre beams. Litany is an awful trinket hps wise outside of the absorb component, so I d suggest gearing up a bit differently. You could have used an int pot to power through the healing on this boss. You re also not playing natures bounty which would have been of big help on this boss. From a look on the logs, it seems that you were always in catchup mode and never in control of the situation.

[dire hinge]

also u'd think that in 19 ppl would know how to avoid those 2 deaths

[tired saffron]

thanks, trinket is a big issue for me as I have a champ gaze but idk if i should use it or wait for the hc or myth to drop

[dire hinge]

champ one is prolly still pretty good

[spark river]

You should sim it to see what qe says

[thorn plover]

No

[spark river]

But you re going to need proper gear for these key levels

And a set plan before going to a boss like this

Think about your cds, your externals, personals

[fervent path]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-balanced-gif-3226445978144001245

[haughty ibex]

but but… is above 31%…

[fervent path]

33 is my new friend

thinking about either crafting a neck or farming BGs

~.~

got PoS hero neck atm

so much crit

[spark river]

neck craft is good

i have one

[fierce isle]

Ok. Spam regrowth it is :p

[fervent path]

is there any jc embelish that works for us ?

[fierce isle]

We don’t have a hpal so absorbs last forever

[fervent path]

i got 1 embelish avail

[spark river]

No

Play 2x arcanoweave

[grizzled seal]

33% haste is really low lol

[spark river]

its fineish for m+

For raid yeah its really low

[dire hinge]

on the matter of stats, how well does balance gear work with resto

[spark river]

Eh

Not the best

Resto wants all the haste while balance also plays a bit less haste and more crit

Its better than previous seasons if you off spec, but you still need balance items

[dire hinge]

icic

[haughty ibex]

just fineish? 😔

[dire hinge]

but generally is not a huge loss if I mostly do like mid keys right

[grizzled seal]

If you play m+ you can just run elune and it's fine

[spark river]

Yeah elune loves more haste, but it doesnt matter if you just play keys for fun with it

[dire hinge]

sick, ty

[rustic copper]

It’s too late in the season everything is just m+ talk now

Ggs wait for next

[spark river]

Isnt that just every season after a month of raiding

[rustic copper]

Yes

[thorn plover]

Ooof

[grizzled seal]

A lot of specs can sort of heal them fine

Disc, druid, evoker can contribute

MW does well on them with apexless build

You need to have some incredible comp to not be able to heal them

[dire hinge]

team effort? disgusting

[fierce isle]

We’re healing them enough to get to p3 but they last like 3-4 seconds longer than I’m comfortable with.

I’ve been using lifebloom and a swiftmend sotf to proc blooms on one of them but I wasn’t sure if that was the play.

Yesterday was our first day of prog

[spark river]

Should be able to heal them just through ilvl now yeah

[grizzled seal]

Can probably look at logs and see if people are even casting on them

Might be the case of 1-3 players slacking

[rustic copper]

Do not lb them that ruins the rest of your healing

I usually gave them 2 rejuv each and always at least 1 regrowth but didn’t really spam them and I was top healing on them

Do not brick your healing to heal them, doing anything more than that will significantly hurt your group healing

[fierce isle]

Thanks

[livid hearth]

nooo i cant voidshard upgrade voidstorm trinket?

champion gear is apparently not upgradeable with ascendant voidcore

[fervent mica]

its not heroic or myth track

so, no

[livid hearth]

ok maybe some mythic dungeon trinket upgraded is better than this then

got heart of wind and until i get raidtrinkets

[spark river]

Heart of wind is very good

I have a 298 one

[livid hearth]

yeah i got it on 1 slot

i was so lucky on this alt

just got this on last bonusroll

and got bis chest from npx and 2h wep from there

[spark river]

Thats some nice loot yeah

[thorn plover]

im gonna get gaze in my vault this week, i can feel it

[spark river]

Just bonus roll it again buddy

[rustic copper]

Doesn’t already have gaze

[thorn plover]

i do

im just gonna get it again since it took this long

i got it this week lol

[sudden rover]

what is the other healer as active as druid? like high apm spamming stuff and if u slow as fuck ur team dies

[spark river]

bonus rolling those maisara shoulders for some 2pc shenanigans

[haughty ibex]

fuck that nxp ring 💯💯

[livid hearth]

u know why i have it

[haughty ibex]

why..

[livid hearth]

well u forgor out discussion from yesterday

not that important xD

not worth explaining again, ignore it xD

tldr; new alt best dungeon to roll all rolls on is npx, rolled until i got 2h wep and got rings before, started rolling WS for trinket after i got 2h

had gotten 2 rings first before i got 2h

[haughty ibex]

oh right u rolled all nxp no?

[livid hearth]

until i got 2h as you said i dont need all

so i rolled until i got 2h

then started rolling ws

[haughty ibex]

u smurfed

[livid hearth]

as it had trinket as well as other good stuff

[haughty ibex]

💯💯 what ilvl are u now?

[livid hearth]

273 xD

[haughty ibex]

that’s not bad

[livid hearth]

yeah

last bonus roll dropped the trinket which is so good

[haughty ibex]

my rat alt is same but was so easy to roll for mw

[livid hearth]

now jsut farming myth crests until vault, will use my 2 bonus rolls for either myth chim or 2 more dungeons then will start crafting

[haughty ibex]

cuz u jst roll all loot in one dungeon

[livid hearth]

btw does this m+ rotation guide for owleaving same for raid? Im just too lazy to check dps rotation for raid from wowhead/icyveins again

[thorn plover]

you dont dps in raids

[livid hearth]

that sounds extreme

u dont get any chance to dps?

i know i can replenish mana with wraths

[thorn whale]

And do 3k dps

[thorn plover]

no, you should always be preparing for the next damage

[grand herald]

at the cost of healing you can dps

not a good trade

[thorn plover]

also you shouldnt need to wrath for mana at all

[livid hearth]

even for rly long mythic raids for example? I wont do them just curious haha

[grand herald]

I dont run master shapeshifter in mythic raids at all rn

ive done all but l'ura

[thorn plover]

no you dont need it

[livid hearth]

dont judge me for learnign from top logs but the raid talent im copying from:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JAPBYTwtr4Rj3168?fight=40&type=casts&source=770

this guy seem to cast a lot of wrath, starsurge and some sunfire and starfires

[livid hearth]

but im just taking example, ill heed your call

as im new to spec ill prioritize healing first

[thorn plover]

never look at that guys logs again

lol

dream of cenarius

yea

do yourself a favor, and do not follow what that guy is doing

[livid hearth]

why is that

[haughty ibex]

he’s playing doc and getting a grey log or am i trolling

[livid hearth]

hes nr1 on healing log and he is 90 or somthing on parses

[haughty ibex]

why do i see a 4

[grand herald]

what are you talking about lol

[thorn plover]

hes not #1 on damage logs

what

[livid hearth]

soondru

did i link wrong log or what

[thorn plover]

thats dps

[grand herald]

thats damage

lmao

that was a 4 healing parse

[spark river]

if the person is at the bottom

[haughty ibex]

but this is a dmg log

[spark river]

thats not healing

[haughty ibex]

check healing one

[livid hearth]

oh ty

[thorn plover]

he did 90k hps healing

like half of what he should do

[spark river]

which is impressive

[livid hearth]

i set to healing but i changed back when i clicked classes

[grand herald]

rough

[thorn plover]

please never look at that guy again

[spark river]

considering hes playing doc lol

[haughty ibex]

legit me raiding stop flame

[thorn plover]

youre doing yourself a huge disservice by following anything that guy is doing

[spark river]

alright by 12 wrath cpm

is a banger

[livid hearth]

so raid talents are wildstalkers now? When i found talents for my friend some weeks ago cenarius was raid talent

iirc

[spark river]

no

[grand herald]

cenarius has never been

[spark river]

you re not remembering correctly

[haughty ibex]

never was

[livid hearth]

ok mb

[grand herald]

are you talking about keeper?

[livid hearth]

yeah

mb

keeper of the grove

new to resto

[grand herald]

keeper was meta, yes

they changed stuff

[sinful summit]

apex change made ws in raid a thing

[livid hearth]

sry different question, just tried pugging mythic chim and died while i didnt see everyone around me

what did i die to? Pretty sure i did something i shouldnt ahve done xD

[thorn plover]

you stood in the giant line across the floor

[lyric surge]

it can be confusing.. the line goes across

then it looks clear for a second or so and hte green shit comes after

so it's really easy to avoid the line and then walk into the green shit

[livid hearth]

it wasnt during the time he flew up tho if u mean that part, i was in second group to go in and i was in that part

'ohh ur right he flies up during second group+

nvm he flies up when first group go in second time as in third time right?

[lyric surge]

yes

[thorn plover]

yes

[livid hearth]

so yeah i wasnt the first group to go second time, it was only second group going in

he should fly up on next time first group goes in right?

[thorn plover]

he flies up at the same time no matter what group your in?

3rd time

[rustic copper]

Yeah I don’t know what you’re saying

[livid hearth]

exact so i wasnt in 3rd time, i was in second time soak

sry

[thorn plover]

it doesnt matter

its the same on both sides

down or up both have the same mechanic

[livid hearth]

sry just to clarify. I have killed this only once on my main as dps. From what ive understood. First group go in -> Second group go in -> First group go in again and thats when dragon flies up?

[rustic copper]

It’s 1st group soak, 2nd group soak, then intermission starts when group 1 soaks and the raid is split while the boss flies up and does sweeps across the room, then back to group 1 soak, no one soaks, boss die

[livid hearth]

exact

so in this scenario death on this alt, it was second group soak part

i hate that my log didnt record i fucked u log

would have been clearer

[thorn plover]

that doesnt have anything to do with the breath you died to

you deal with the breath after the 3rd soak whether youre in it or not

that is the line

[livid hearth]

yeah so its on 3rd soak right?

i died after i entered as second soak grou tho

im just confused atm im sry

[thorn plover]

ya so am i

[livid hearth]

because u guys telling me thign i died to happens on 3rd soak but we hadnt reached 3rd soak yet

[lyric surge]

he's saying the point of his death was before the intermission

[livid hearth]

i was on second soak group inside the other phase

[thorn plover]

then in game damage meter is just wrong ig

[fervent mica]

it doubles all healing to absorbs

[rustic copper]

True I don’t use in game meter to check what I died to

[thorn plover]

the damage recap can be just straight up wrong

ive had it show things from other bosses lol

[rustic copper]

I always check logs

[lyric surge]

the intermission isn't hte only place caustic phlegm happens

[rustic copper]

My favorite is when I die to purg

[thorn plover]

lmao

i died to stagger in m+ yesterday

[rustic copper]

Based

[fervent mica]

rdruid with stagger would be wild

[thorn plover]

remix shit

[fervent mica]

don't drop your shuffle!

[livid hearth]

ok back to my first question about talents. Now i copied top healing log guy

This one uses master shapeshifter even tho u said u dont use it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JW91Tt7MKmLNvncP?fight=8&type=healing

[fervent mica]

its fine

[spark river]

these are the default talents

[thorn plover]

pretty much but you should be able to change MS for livliness once your comfortable with mana

[spark river]

Playing no ms is personal preference

[thorn plover]

you really shouldnt need to ever wrath for mana

[fervent mica]

the 3 talents are close there, as you get better you can swap off of MS

[rustic copper]

Personal pref

[livid hearth]

yeah this guy didnt wrath at all he used some rake and rip i see in cast

[spark river]

Do you want me to tell him hes shit with mana or?

[rustic copper]

Yes

[spark river]

Then I get called toxic

[thorn plover]

shouldnt need to do any damage spells ever

[rustic copper]

Liveliness/embrace is better if you aren’t shit with mana

[fervent mica]

niko pilled?

[spark river]

I take embrace

[spark river]

Im a regrowth truther

[livid hearth]

yeah he did like 5 rake 3 rip 1 ferocious bite

[grizzled seal]

Isn't the bug that death recap always shows the last death rather than your death?

[thorn plover]

those are 9 healing spells he could have cast instead

[grizzled seal]

At least it was a few weeks ago when I stopped checking it

[fervent mica]

more actually

[thorn plover]

that would actually make a lot of sense

[fervent mica]

they aren't fluid form

[spark river]

Even with wg at a lower cpm embrace beats liveliness

[thorn plover]

doubt

[spark river]

How much do you get on liveliness

[rustic copper]

Probably

[grizzled seal]

The state of the default UI is honestly shameful

[fervent mica]

my favorite is hunter's feign counting as a death in it

[rustic copper]

Liveliness isn’t accurately measured on wowanalyzer

[thorn plover]

you have to account for verdancy and photo

which wowanal doesnt

[rustic copper]

Also if you’re double rejuving embrace gets much worse

Wow anal

[spark river]

Does liveliness give over 3%?

[thorn plover]

livliness alone is 2%

[haughty ibex]

on the dps meter I don’t think so, if u click recap when ur dead then yes, at least in m+

[rustic copper]

Yes

[thorn plover]

• the increased photo and verdancy

[spark river]

Then im plain wrong I guess

I didnt account for photo and verdancy yeah

[fervent mica]

its 5% more photo procs, yeah?

[rustic copper]

The other big one is symb bloom procs

[thorn whale]

Do i get Voidshard from bountiful delves

[thorn plover]

yes

if you have keys

[thorn whale]

Level 1?

[thorn plover]

11

[fervent mica]

chance from lower, guaranteed from 11

[livid hearth]

Another question:

https://questionablyepic.com/live/upgradereport/lqzpnetijavx

Any idea why dungeon trinkets are upgraded to 298 but not chimaera heroic trinket as its on 276?

[fervent mica]

work in progress, if i had to guess

[livid hearth]

ok I see

[fervent mica]

you can add items to top gear with the ilvl you could acquire. just use that as a reference

[main timber]

Hmm yeah I'll fix that today. I probably just forgot to port it to heroic

[thorn plover]

its ok, i was wrong once

just get better

[spark river]

alright buddy, dont unlock my toxic arc

[thorn plover]

🤣

[fervent mica]

when did it get locked?

[thorn plover]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-buddy-guy-friend-canadian-gif-6183589

[spark river]

[fervent mica]

i wish i could hear what people are thinking when they choose who to invite to some of these keys

[livid hearth]

joined random heroic group, went oom

for chimaerus

[thorn plover]

logs?

[livid hearth]

im elunnax

w

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JmNCGVxD32rRaw16?fight=last&type=healing

happy for first time raid healing tho

[thorn plover]

you need to press wayyyyyy less rejuv

and wayyyyyy more regrowth

[fervent mica]

and just more buttons in general

[thorn plover]

and work on that lifebloom uptime

more swiftmend

[livid hearth]

ok less rejuv got it

also first time using innervate as in dungeon logs people dont run it

do i have to stand still and channel it?

[thorn plover]

no you just press it

[fervent mica]

read it

[thorn plover]

use innervate when you need to press a bunch of rejuvs to get your abundance stacks back up

[livid hearth]

ok its just instant and it does its thing ok ty

[thorn plover]

you should have atleast as many regrowths cast as you do rejuv

[livid hearth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JW91Tt7MKmLNvncP?fight=8&type=casts&source=58

this guy i copied talent from had wayy more rejuv tho :p

but yeah less rejuv got it

[spark river]

Thats not good

Play

[thorn plover]

dont look at rejuvs in the cast tab

this still isnt good, but its better than 4 rejuvs to 1 regrowth

[spark river]

And this is 3 healed

[rustic copper]

Mythic logs after week 3-4

[spark river]

First couple of bosses after a month are a free for all

[fervent mica]

if you aren't 2 healing... are you really even playing the game? sheesh

[rustic copper]

Is Lura even still good

[thorn plover]

he had 5 more rejuvs and 47 more regrowths

[rustic copper]

Casts tab

[grizzled seal]

Lura is getting shot on reset

[spark river]

Yep hof closing

[fierce isle]

Some people hustle with 3 hour a week cutting edge 😉

[rustic copper]

Are nerfs out?

[grizzled seal]

No, but they announced HoF closing

There are always post HoF nerfs

[fervent mica]

i never did nulleus on my sham alt... but have no use for them. myth achieve is wild

[rustic copper]

I dont know what you are saying but but my point is that top logs are no longer representative of good play pretty quickly

[grizzled seal]

There were very few bosses where that was true in the first place

[spark river]

Could be on later bosses, but definitely not on earlier ones

[livid hearth]

Ok what do you think about this healing log? It has lower parse compared to the last one i see:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JmNCGVxD32rRaw16?fight=last&type=healing

[fierce isle]

I get that.

[spark river]

you re not pressing spells

[rustic copper]

I wouldn’t say excellent play

[spark river]

44 overall cpm

[rustic copper]

But good at least

[grizzled seal]

That was only true for paladins/alleria/lura in the first place

The rest were always filled with random shit

[rustic copper]

True week 1 first 5 bosses are already bricked lol

[thorn plover]

your overall cpm is low, swiftmend cpm is low.
you have periods of 6 seconds where you just are pressing nothing

[livid hearth]

damn i should always pug the bosses i need loot from. My guildies when i ask them to sell the trinket drop they something like its against guild rules but the guy who rolled gaze instantly sold his trinket for me for 50k hahah

[livid hearth]

ok ty ill focus on it

[thorn plover]

always be casting

[livid hearth]

im just happy i topped the healing first time i raidhealed haha

[spark river]

None of those healers played well

I also dont know how the raid lives with these numbers lol

[fervent mica]

heroic doesn't deal damage

[dense lantern]

let the guy be happy

[livid hearth]

we wiped first pull ike you saw from my first log haha

[trail crown]

How can none of the healers play well if people’s HP didn’t go to zero but boss HP did

Isn’t it like a zero sum game of total dmg taken divided by all healers

[livid hearth]

but seems like i dont need to raid anymore unless i can join some mythic kills as i bought the trinket from guy who rolled 100 and got lucky with mythic WS trinket. Im rly lucky with stuff on this alt

[fervent mica]

play well in heroic, take it all

[livid hearth]

also ty all for fast helps

i would have taken dps focused talent and fucked up otherwise

[spark river]

I mean if he has no further aspirations than this, sure he can be happy

[livid hearth]

I kinda am im just gearing this alt to fully myth geared because gearing alt seems so easy

[thorn plover]

https://tenor.com/view/dripping-acid-smiling-friends-nuclear-waste-toxic-waste-adult-swim-gif-15301709399850080662

[livid hearth]

but if guild needs healer or so i can roll this druid into the raid

[spark river]

I just want to help

[dense lantern]

[boreal kiln]

hey guys! new to game/resto. Is there any informative streamers or ytbers you would recommend to better understand the class maybe?

[glossy brook]

[knotty tapir]

Sometimes I have this problem with Swiftmend that is not casting in raid, even when I mouseover a frame that has an ongoing hot
So, in this case. Would be better to always cast the swiftmend on me then?

[spark river]

You cant swiftmend only a lifebloom if thats whats happening

But you should only swiftmend the lifebloom and 2x rejuv on yourself in raids

[glossy brook]

Vickman2 streams keys at a high level, educationalish + vibes based, problem w videos is they become outdated quick

[grand herald]

id read through guides such as wowhead and questionably epic first and foremost

[glossy brook]

This class has really good icyveins guide tho /wowhead guide

[spark river]

Vickman is mostly good, but can be questionable at times

[thorn plover]

vickman has literally no idea how haste works

[fervent mica]

but he can push buttons gud

[glossy brook]

Ya sure, that's why I said educationalish, but he does stream high keys frequently and it shows high key gameplay and he does walk thrus of his talent setup even if his selections are vibes based

[river sable]

Hey guys, now I’ve hit the first haste breakpoint, should I switch to mastery flasks and try get more mastery from gems etc ?

[thorn plover]

please say sike rn

[glossy brook]

He's so based

Yes you should king go off.

[haughty ibex]

31% if u get a little more u should delete char

[knotty tapir]

got it
thank you!

[fervent mica]

breakpoints aren't real for this spec. just listen to qe and get more haste

[knotty tapir]

the /cqs macro for swiftmend is still a thing?

[thorn plover]

was that ever a thing?

[spark river]

Probably means convoke?

[glossy holly]

i had a thought that this calamitious delve leveling would be somewhat impressive but this is indeed feeling lacking. still better than quest leveling though

[thorn plover]

timewalking is fast af

[spare maple]

Ironbarking for rh means?

[glossy holly]

im not sure TW is faster but i suppose i could give it a try and see how much xp i gain from single run+time spent

[fervent mica]

timewalking is faster if you rng into a good group

[dire hinge]

ok damn my raid healing improved quite a bit

after sorting the lifebloom thing

[thorn plover]

turns out lifebloom is an important spell

[fervent mica]

i do miss the season of not casting it...

[hasty current]

I did 80-90 yesterday in about 5 hours on a mistweaver

Doing tw, each delve once and engi last bit

[fervent mica]

i did 80-90 in 90 minutes on my shaman 2 weeks ago <_<

[hasty current]

Doing what

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/camsey-snoopy-flying-fly-peanuts-clouds-house-gif-21093444

exploring zones

[hasty current]

Wha

[spark river]

I wanted to level a shaman like that but i couldnt be bothered gearing it

[fervent mica]

i've been having a lot of fun with it. its nice dealing decent damage without really trying... and slink is bae

[slender gust]

Have people mostly gotten the KotG build out of their system, or are a bunch of people still trying to play it?

[fervent mica]

wowhead posted a thing about it

[thorn plover]

doc?

[fervent mica]

anything that can be earthen can go from 10-90 in ~3 hours

[slender gust]

Yeah

[spark river]

Not as strong as before, but you can play it for fun yeah

[slender gust]

This may be copium and I’m just bad, but as I’ve started to push into the 12-14 range, I’ve noticed my damage go up a lot. I’m beginning to feel like having teammates that kick the right stuff and don’t stand in shit is like 60% of doing good healer damage

[fervent mica]

def cope

its more you getting used to damage patterns than what the dps do

[slender gust]

But then I go back down into 10s and my damage goes back down

I feel like having to heal unexpected/avoidable damage just tanks my ability to press Starfire

[rustic copper]

Race swap after lvl 90

[stable verge]

I mean sure but still kinda cope.. the damage people would be facing is super low anyway so..

[thorn plover]

the absolute worst players are in 10s

[slender gust]

But also in a 14 I guess if stuff doesn’t get stopped you just die instead of being able to be saved idk

[stable verge]

You should be able to press it a lot still
Then again I play DoC in lower levels so I don't really care much

[thorn plover]

not really, you can survive a lot in a 14

but ya, generally people play better

atleast know where their kick button is

[slender gust]

I wish this was true pugging M Chim. I’m so tired of wiping to missed kicks that I have no agency over. I was initially happy they removed healer kicks, but I’m beginning to miss the agency

[fervent mica]

have been playing shaman. literally only killed chim last night because i have a kick

[kind star]

give us a 30second+ cd like shaman... not fair 🙁

[slender gust]

Imagine making a group of 5 DKs with CE and still wiping to fear

I hate it so much

[slender gust]

I have so much WUE gear that as soon as I finish Myth of the Dawn, I’m spinning up the Shaman again. I miss my splashy priest as much as Druid is my forever main

[fervent mica]

its so much different being able to react to things

[slender gust]

I feel like I’m too bad to play DOC even in low keys, but I keep being tempted because I’ve always wanted DOC to be a good talent

[trail crown]

Can I say thank you for this little tip, I've just tried it and it was really chill, just breeze through the objectives, heal a bit here and there and keep Valeera up and collect rewards, even easier than playing moonkin + tank Valeera I think

[grand herald]

DOC is also just ultra boring

[stable verge]

I mean it's a good talent, it's just absolutely the fuck not recommended if you don't know the pulls much or need constant high throughput

[haughty ibex]

is time to quit doc maybe… is a sign

[slender gust]

I haven’t even tried the doc build

[haughty ibex]

I mean idk on some packs i dont even try to press starfire

casting for 2 seconds is just cancer

[grizzled seal]

@rustic copper how the fuck did you pug lura btw

I just did a pug alleria where I was doing 200k hps and we wiped to lack of healing

[slender gust]

Right now I’m watching one of those live commentary videos that someone has been posting a bunch of and he’s playing DOC in like pug 18s and it’s going super smoothly. Looks like sorcery to me

[glossy holly]

fair enough, TW does give me 1,4m xp per hour as tank

[thorn plover]

who and whats the date on it

[kind star]

really rng on good group kinda felt like follow the arrow with delves/quest was abit faster but maybe I just had bad groups in TW.

[trail crown]

If its live isnt it like right now

[slender gust]

Momentine. Posted a day ago

[spark river]

who

[tough portal]

Thats fine. Taking doc doesnt kill your awareness to heal. The problem is when people try it and dont have that awareness and lose track of mechanics to spam starfire

People are doing 23s which do 50% more damage than an 18

[haughty ibex]

i mean u can try to play that i just dont see why u would handicap urself if ur struggling to heal 12s, will just mske it harder for u imo

[tough portal]

Losing healing for damage is certainly alright for plenty of people in many key levels if they want to

But yeah be real with yourself lol

[slender gust]

He’s some PUG healer who’s been posting live commentated runs to YouTube, and I’ve found them pretty helpful, at least until he switched builds where I’m finding it less applicably helpful

[haughty ibex]

yes but if someone is alr struggling that’s def not the way

[spark river]

face basically said all of that to then say you re not that guy

[slender gust]

Yeah hence why I haven’t played it

[haughty ibex]

ye i mean share a log of a key u played and perhaps people csn take a look

[tough portal]

Pugs are just chaos and you dont know how many bricks this momentine guy coulda saved with better healing to get that 1 doc vod

[haughty ibex]

also first pack lasted legit 35 seconds so chill

[sudden rover]

bro im so bored with rdruid atm its craaazy

[livid hearth]

Btw u guys said in raid we changed to wildstalker since apex change.

Just to understand it better, can u explain why its better in raid now? Ive read before wildstalker is good in dungeon because its good in smaller group when keeper of the grove was raid talent

[fervent mica]

implant + symb bloom

apex go brrr

[slender gust]

I do miss Control of the Dream in raid. I found I was getting decent mileage out of that talent existing

But WS is broken AF

[livid hearth]

Im new to resto dont understand that xD

Did they buff the apex so it became better with wildstaöker or smth like that?

Did playstyle change along with it?

[slender gust]

Apex got significantly buffed yes

Playstyle is the same

[fierce isle]

Symbiotic bloom gives 20% increased healing received and implant guarantees a symbiotic bloom on the target of your swiftmend. So swift mending yourself with lifebloom gives a big healing amp that then gives a big amp to the bloom splash triggered by the Apex

[thorn plover]

Plus all the self healing amp we get

[stable verge]

Depends on group, key, keylevel... I accidently went into a PoS 19 with doc and it was the easiest shit ever, but I would not dare to do that with another key

[slender gust]

Our self healing amps buff the AoE splash if LB is on ourself? Neat. I was wondering how it worked

[thorn plover]

It makes the blooms bigger

Which makes the apex bigger

[slender gust]

Cracked

[fervent mica]

sym bloom is a 20% healing amp and a mastery stack

so... apex go brr

[reef holly]

yo guys im using elvui and currently progressing beloren, for my external i want to have a better visual of the players who got the soaks, whats the best way to do that?

[trail crown]

Is this Drum trinket too bad to even list in the trinkets page of Wowhead? Or would it be better than my Soulcatcher's Charm?

[fleet jewel]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/trinkets

drum is good for its ilvl range

[fierce isle]

The drums are the best of those 3

[trail crown]

Oh really

[fleet jewel]

soulcatcher's charm also doesnt do healing or give stats

so its terrible

[trail crown]

I just upgraded my Keepsake with the 5 cores I had haha

It gives int right, but I guess you mean the bonus effect

[fleet jewel]

keepsake is good too

[fleet jewel]

🙂‍↕️

[fierce isle]

Def use keepsake and drums

Shards/cores are infinitely farmable so spend them liberally

[trail crown]

Perfect thanks guys

Didnt realize Drum's is actually '3rd bis' from delves + dungeons

Gotta get used to going for QE for these kinds of questions now that I play healer

Does the 'use' effect actually do something or is it just meme

[trail crown]

Ayoo

[fleet jewel]

once u pick a loa u dont need to think about it

[livid hearth]

Isnt cast tab how many they actively casted?

[spark river]

casts tab double counts germination

So it isnt an actual representation of rejuvs

[livid hearth]

Ok ty

[kind star]

almost 9m heroic chim pug sheeesh

[glossy holly]

very stable 9 mins too

[spark river]

perfect fight to practice your mana management

[kind star]

oh it was fine I just pressed mana tea

[thorn plover]

Wrong discord

Gtfo

[kind star]

on the druid I need to pug myth chim but I dont trust pug, I gotta look up that fight.

[spark river]

toxic

[kind star]

gonna go cry and spin in a corner...

[rustic copper]

I’m locked the fuck in

[grizzled seal]

These people are so fucking bad

[sudden rover]

wait people are pugging mm lura now?

[proven phoenix]

no lol

[earnest osprey]

Hi, new to resto, I'm looking for clarification on swiftmend, I've been using regrowth to proc swiftmend, then rejuv after which I thought was because it would spread 2 rejuv's, but reading through a guide it says swiftmend followed by regrowths, is that the correct method?

[spark river]

was niko pugging hc lura or what

im so confused

[sudden rover]

yo arent u the guy that got fucking hacked on discord 😹

am i talking to the hacker

[proven phoenix]

no....

[grizzled seal]

Heroic on alt

[proven phoenix]

def not talking to the hacker

lura pugs are just doomed

[grizzled seal]

I barely pugged heroic alleria

After like 10 wipes

[proven phoenix]

I did like 210k hps in a heroic alleria p2 the other day

[sudden rover]

what's hard about heroic lura

[grizzled seal]

Had a warlock die to a jump with gateway off cd

[spark river]

do you just not have the strength to endure hc pugs or what lol

[proven phoenix]

I didnt know that was possible

[grand herald]

are you talking about raid or m+

[sudden rover]

I thought it was mythic lol

[rustic copper]

Yes

And on main

I used a bonus roll on heroic Lura on my main

[sudden rover]

what for?

[spark river]

i usually make my own hc pugs

[sudden rover]

neck?

[spark river]

way easier

[sudden rover]

ye its easy, just gotta force people to have NSRT

then u do the symbols shit and gg

[earnest osprey]

Mythic+

[grand herald]

m+ you use SM + RG as a burst healing tool a lot of the time

you can use SM + RJ for maintanence when you no there is no incoming damage

but its usually better to SM + RG during damage

[earnest osprey]

Ah ok, so what spell should I be using to proc the swiftmend? Rejuvs?

[grand herald]

uh, i use VI

so i just use it to extend hots

usually my LB target

[rustic copper]

It had the largest average immediate upgrade for me

[earnest osprey]

Sorry, what's VI? 😅

[grand herald]

verdant infusion

[rustic copper]

And ofc I got the helm

[proven phoenix]

@rustic copper lura neck vs alleria neck

which do u take

[rustic copper]

I will take Lura

[proven phoenix]

surely not man

I need haste

[rustic copper]

You have enough haste with the funny ring and full sockets

[grizzled seal]

Extra socket is a lot of ilvls

[rustic copper]

Especially if you unequip your dogshit shoulders

[proven phoenix]

if I have ribbon should I just stop bonus rolling alleria

[rustic copper]

No

[silk ice]

Did you help that guild kill the boss?

[rustic copper]

I mean yes

[grizzled seal]

Depends on your definition of "help"

[rare yacht]

Yo Guys, im going to heal mythic paladins with resto for the First time… can you suggest me some POV druid fights where i can learn something ??

[silk ice]

He showed off his <insert his PrEvokers’ name here> and dominated

[glossy holly]

[proven phoenix]

I definitely helped man but thy didnt kill

they're going again tonight and im playing

[silk ice]

Awww, you got hacked for nothing

Ooo good

Hof closing tonight right? Good luck phasie

[ocean tusk]

if i hit a wild growth on my convoke and cast a new wild growht after, does it overwrite the convokes WG or act like devouring plague on Spriest and add the new value on top of the old?

[proven phoenix]

yeah

[grizzled seal]

Overwrites

[grand herald]

Though in raid, itd just spread to new targets yeah?

[ocean tusk]

i see, so in that case is it just best to wait for the original to fall off before recasting if it's in a heavy damage event? i.e. more worth to keep putting out regrowths than to refresh an old wild growth

[thorn plover]

Shameless self plug https://youtu.be/02FVIz-qYUg?si=5zmG7XCH5w7d2ewd
Also torty and vrocas have good ones if you search them

[grizzled seal]

If your convoke put like 12 wild growths then there is no point in casting one more

[rare yacht]

Thx buddy

[ocean tusk]

sorry meant for m+ specifically, like is a new fresh wildgrowth healing value higher value than a few regrowths with how wild growth healing decreases over time?

[grizzled seal]

No it's not

[ocean tusk]

okay cool, that was my assumption but I have a bad habit of hardcasting wild growth when i probably shouldn't be that I need to curb now that im into 19s

[thorn plover]

It's still good to have out for easy mastery stacks

[ocean tusk]

certain things are just murdering now that used to not so trying to tighten up some of the messier habits

[rustic copper]

Is there something wrong with wg

I noticed I often refresh existing wg when I cast it on myself in the middle of the group after convoking

Bugged?

[gleaming spoke]

I am also guilty of that habit. I feel like what the point was is: While you have things blanketed, start triaging hots out for gaps your convoke missed instead of casting WG again to refresh what is probably already out there. I don't think I've ever convoked and havent gotten a WG.

[rustic copper]

I’m talking about raid, everyone being somewhat stacked, pressing wg and it goes to people who have wg instead of the people who don’t

[spark river]

Isnt it just random

[grand herald]

WG is smart

[spark river]

apparently not smart enough

[rustic copper]

Smart meaning it prios low health over people who don’t have the hot?

[grizzled seal]

It always goes on the lowest targets

If you wg right after another wg was applied chances are it's gonna be the same targets

[silk ice]

Maybe because WG decays and it sees a weaker WG on the lowest targets and wants to help

[proven phoenix]

I really dislike using wg right after getting convoke wgs

[grizzled seal]

Yeah I never do that

Honestly not even worth wging before anymore

[proven phoenix]

yeah I was thinking the same lol

[grizzled seal]

Since you cant extend for that much

Extending WG by 4 seconds is really sick, but 2 seconds not so much

[spark river]

never wg again noted

[rustic copper]

Wg targets increased right

[thorn plover]

Theres the Lura nerfs

[rustic copper]

@grizzled seal Lura nerfs too small?

[thorn plover]

"massive" according to wowhead

[hearty coral]

any tips for paladins

[sudden rover]

dodge yellow shit

[hearty coral]

also the raidplan has like the 2 non druid healers and 3 dps taking the absorbs this is inting right?

[tired gale]

Massive for p1

[fervent path]

aight just timed +17 AA but struggled a lot on vexachud
I think I got it by the very end but the play is to WG as soon as he places manabombs and then try to SoTF RG just as they explode right

[spark river]

yes

[thorn plover]

Druids not taking it is very stupid

[thorn plover]

Dodge the shit and you win

[dire hinge]

lol do ppl not bother dpsing

purple parse for 2 hotw's is hella funny

[hearty coral]

well yeah the difference of you trying to dps and not trying to dps is like 4k dps and a lot less hps

[sudden rover]

you should never dps as healer in raid

unless u do the 2 min hotw for mana like I do

[dire hinge]

again i just sent 2 feral hotw's

lol

and a few wraths for mana

prolly didnt need to but wanted to be sure

just found it amusing is all, the heal parse is naturally greyer than my hair

[spark river]

healers heal

[thorn plover]

Wrathing for mana

[dire hinge]

still, major improvement from my attempt in hc voidspire

[spark river]

I wrath for damage

we are not the same

[dire hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/whhyyyy-vanish-vanish-emoji-emoji-vanish-whhhyyyy-gif-10057259719602444514

[thorn plover]

I don't have wrath on my bar

[haughty ibex]

ye ur plan for that fight is to be in position of just pressing rg every time there is mana bombs, i save convoke for overalp

[rustic copper]

Smallest HoF nerfs have ever been I think

Usually the boss gets blown up

This is pretty minor

No crystal changes is crazy

[spark river]

Surely there will be more nerfs

[rustic copper]

Yeah in 6 weeks

[glossy onyx]

My buddy watched the Lura guide video last month and decided to quit WoW lmao

[dire hinge]

understandable

[rustic copper]

Dratnose Lura guide

[tired gale]

Lura is p1 boss

[dire hinge]

ill trust ilvl parse and cope with green parse

ok 34 wraths, i may have overdone it

lol

[thorn plover]

Chat, is 34 > 0?

[grand herald]

idk i failed geometry

[rustic copper]

casting dps spells

[dire hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/keep-laughing-barney-ross-sylvester-stallone-the-expendables-3-continue-to-laugh-gif-6281277420923966236

[rustic copper]

cast tge regrowth spell

cast 0 dps spells

[dire hinge]

I mean these were times with barely any dmg going on

[thorn plover]

You are druid

Prepare for next damage

Don't wait for damage to happen

[hasty current]

Alot of times in pugs I could do 0 healing an entire fight and we'd be fine

[dire hinge]

give me some slack its my 3rd fight on rdru

[hasty current]

Ur fine brother

Buncha no dps crowd in here

Healer dps is in a really bad spot tho so it doesn't really matter

[dire hinge]

what about m+?

[hasty current]

Bad there too

[dire hinge]

fair

[hasty current]

But you can do it

Anything matters

[thorn plover]

M+ is the only time you should DPS as a healer

[dire hinge]

so I got it backwards, in m+ feels like I have no downtime, while in raid it feels there's a lot

[hasty current]

Hey I can make the raid boss die .1% faster

[wary belfry]

i might be playing disc wrong

[dire hinge]

lol

[rustic copper]

yeah m+ dmg matters

[main timber]

You can just say "as resto druid". Otherwise you are wrong about 80% of the specs

[tough portal]

For resto in M+ it's typically more of a thing you open uptime for by healing well cuz there is no 'ramping' like in raid and no constant damage
The amount of damage you can do is irrelevant for this decision, if they buffed resto druid damage by 100%, your DPS uptime would remain the same in M+ and remain irrelevant and griefing in raid to do damage over healing

[thorn plover]

Figured that was fairly implied on a resto druid discord

But fair point

[rustic copper]

in raid a rejuv gcd can have a meaningful healing impact in like 45s

[main timber]

It's implied if you add nothing to the end

If you add "as a healer" then you open it to all specs

[dire hinge]

ig im weirdly paranoid about mana

I get down to like 70% in the middle of the boss fight and feel like oh no it goes down too fast

lol

[thorn plover]

That will go away with experience

[tough portal]

Your mana efficiency on healing spells goes up exponentially if you have higher CPM

[thorn plover]

If your mana % matches boss HP % you're doing good

[tough portal]

The more time you can spend casting Regrowth, the better your mana efficiency and longevity will be

[dire hinge]

yk what

[spark river]

not if he spams rejuvs all the time

[dire hinge]

thats a good way to look at it

the % thing

I try to mix it up

[hasty current]

A huge part of raid healing druid is knowing when to ramp

[thorn plover]

And if you're low you just push more rg and maybe skip a WG or two

[dire hinge]

swiftmend on cd into rejuvs n all

[kind star]

is like the dawnlight manaflux and sparks on same loot table or something, I keep dropping sparks but no manaflux -.-

[tough portal]

Lmao

Maybe perchance, who knows

[dire hinge]

but yeah looking at the log now I clearly rejuv way more than regrowth

[thorn plover]

Should be the other way around

[dire hinge]

shouldn't i only rly spam it at 12 stacks or so

[thorn plover]

No

[wary belfry]

no

[tough portal]

Not "only" no, you typically want to Rejuv more to ramp into your cooldowns and into major damage spikes ofc, but this you do as your mana allows

Otherwise you can maintain a good Rejuv count with Swiftmend and SOTF usage and just Rejuving on movement

[dire hinge]

sorry sotf?

[tough portal]

Survival of the forest