resto

[thorn plover]

Yeah my aug does that for us

[spark river]

healer doesnt do that

thats a certified dragon job

[uncut hedge]

If u got a dragon ye but i do it too 😇😇😇😇😇

[thorn plover]

We do crazy self heal, we should be taking every beam

[uncut hedge]

Ye

[spark river]

yep

stack yourself with hots

[stable verge]

Ofc

[thorn plover]

What am I even saying, I've hard switched to bear for m+ anyway.

[inner lava]

well a lot of people are not aware of druid's range stuff so they dont do that

[spark river]

i got runebear last night

guardian is calling me

literally

[glossy holly]

i once saw a dps doing that stupid left right between beams

[inner lava]

its a struggle in spire bird too

[glossy holly]

killed himself cuz the spot got covered with full light cone

[inner lava]

they go further away thinking its gonna help lol

[stable verge]

Seen a monk (dd) tried to steal beams from me once
He vanished lmao

[thorn plover]

I'm so glad I'm not pugging

[spark river]

im just here for the experience

you never know how good you are until you run into the most diabolical pug known to mankind

also the joy of getting flamed

one heal

[thorn plover]

I pugged to resil 18 last season before pre patch.
Flood 18 took me 27 runs

If that ever comes back on the rotation it's too soon

[stable verge]

Could say you got flooded with wipes

[thorn plover]

I've had pugs better than my premade
I've also had pugs that I'm convinced were AI, and the AI was programmed to play Minecraft not warcraft

[inner lava]

yeah my last 2 left was flood and priory then i stopped i aint doing all that

[thorn plover]

I actually really enjoyed priory

[vivid owl]

oh, i have a question about your build! how come you dont take the Regen heartwood or nurturing dormancy? or the improved regrowth? or the ursine vigor in that log? I just wanna learn what kind of situations that would be needed

[stable verge]

Something about the mass healing needed between each bonk from the paladins was cool

[thorn plover]

I mained rsham til near the end. That pull was hell on rsham. First time I did on rdruid was like, wow this class is OP

One of my favorite pulls ever tho

[stable verge]

Oh ye I bet

Somehow this dg felt like it was 5min to me

[spark river]

Didnt need rh on 17s, will probably switch now with higher keys. I am a big hater of nd in keys, i d rather take 2 tv. I take nb in some keys, but in some I feel like it doesnt do much. I am going with uv now, didnt need it in earlier keys.

[thorn plover]

Most of the lowest rated dungeons in tww were my favorite. Guessing because majority of the ratings is from a DPS perspective

[spark river]

Its just a build that I run since beta and loved it ever since

[thorn plover]

NB regularly doing 5% for me now in 18/19s
RH I find needed now too
I still underutilize bear, but I take UV

Idk what is take instead of NB, ND if anything

[spark river]

There are keys where it does 2-3% for me as I play 2tv and sotf rejuv most of the time. I still play it in high hps keys like seat,

[thorn plover]

Are you running hb

[spark river]

yes

[thorn plover]

Ya I won't touch that talent

I don't move my lifebloom

[vivid owl]

Oh okay! Im gonna be trying out 16/17s so i have been looking at everyones builds, but there are tons of differences and just trying to figure out what i should do, as i feel like the wowhead req build is nice for low keys but i feel like im lacking as i go up

and i see everyone taking hb, and more into cat, with starfire

[thorn plover]

The 3 points you'll move around from the wowhead build will make next to 0 difference in whether or not you are successful in the key

I did 18AA in raid spec yesterday and it felt good. Talents are all so competitive it doesn't matter

[spark river]

You shift talents to your liking in high keys. You can time these keys also with the wowhead build. People starfire on 5+ and go cat otherwise.

[spark river]

aa has no healing

its actually crazy

[thorn plover]

I'd argue you on 3rd boss

But outside that ya

[rustic coyote]

don't you 3 smash pull?

[thorn plover]

Yeah that pull is easy

[sudden rover]

[spark river]

I mean overall you end up on like 70k hps in an 18

[thorn plover]

1st one nothing, 2nd one SM into regrowth, 3rd one just heal

Convoke is up there if needed too, not a scary pull

[vivid owl]

Yeah i have starsurge and sunfire etc, and no cat talents following that build! i just feel like im using sm into rejuv too much in spikey damage when i should be regrowthing it

i have a lot to improve on, so when i work on them, ill post a log here for analysis to improve more

[thorn plover]

I hardly ever sm regrowth.
Very specific pulls. I usually know before starting the dungeon where I will use that

[vivid owl]

just started using logs after 5 year break and oh boy, i need to work on aLOOOT

[spark river]

Its something you have to feel out. Sotf rejuv with 2 tv heals up the group most of the time for me.

[thorn plover]

^

[stable verge]

Yeah mostly keep sm regrowth with the NS stuff, otherwise it's fine

Mashing rg on people with full hot is already infinite healing

[vivid owl]

Yeah i mainly just sm rejuv

[sudden rover]

isnt MDI starting today on twitch?

[thorn plover]

Yesss

[spark river]

its the boring mdi

[sudden rover]

I'm hyped as fook, can't wait

[thorn plover]

Did they change format again?

[vivid owl]

the low key one?

[spark river]

speedrunning

[vivid owl]

EHHHH

[thorn plover]

Oh lame

[spark river]

saw roiben practice 16s on her monk

[sudden rover]

speedrunning is bad?

[vivid owl]

i wanted to see different healers in high keys 🙁

[thorn plover]

I usually love watching the mdi do crazy shit for wr keys

[spark river]

Its not bad its just not fun for me

[vivid owl]

nooooo because then you join a pug and they are like "lets do that mdi pull"

kill me

[thorn plover]

Worst part about mdi is the pugs after who watched the stream

Lol yes

[spark river]

I mean people are already doing the chinese routes

[rustic coyote]

we got a bit unlucky then, because timing last time in a +17 was horrible, like 3 smash in a really short window, I had to convoke the second, cause I soft reg the 1st

[thorn plover]

You should be fully hotted into the first one, and the hots should have everyone near topped before 2nd goes out

Then you sm RG as soon as 2nd hits, RG spam to top

Then after 3rd nothing happens so it doesn't matter

[vivid owl]

So you guys put two points into TV? What should i swap out of on the wowhead m+ req to get it?

[stable verge]

Most people switch from Nd

[rustic coyote]

usually is like that. I think timing of the pull was just bad, because as soon as the 1st ended, the second was already on cast

[thorn plover]

Yeah you don't need nd

[vivid owl]

oh right yeah

[rustic coyote]

and the third same

[stable verge]

It's confort (I still play it half the time), but yeah you don't need it once you're familiar with shit

[thorn plover]

ND is nice, but there's better spots

[late nimbus]

why are many resto druids lifeblooming themselves instead of a tank on mythic? Especially on fights where there are absorbs or lots of dmg on tank, I can't understand

[stable verge]

Could be heavy aoe damage on party, could be they are tired of people not standing in green aoe so they put in at their feet 😄
Could also be they bad
But also, depending on key level, tank can exist on their own

[thorn plover]

This is how I play. Tank gets it on scary tank pulls. Otherwise it's on me.
Moving it around is waste of gcds to me, I'd rather just spam rg

[late nimbus]

I meant mythic raid sorry

[stable verge]

How does your aug not implode

Oh on raid

[late nimbus]

ye mb

[kind star]

tank is never really near that many ppl and we have talents that increase healing on ourslves, increasing our apex bloom healing.

[thorn plover]

Oh in m raid it's because of our increased self healing.. make big bloom make big apex

[stable verge]

Do tank even need that much healing from raid ? It's a lot more raid healing to have it on us

[kind star]

I barely pay attention to tank xd

[thorn plover]

He does, but I've never felt like a lifebloom would save him

[stable verge]

Maybe not save but particularly if you're playing hb it feels like it would help a bit, while we are mostly tanky af

[late nimbus]

thanks for the answer

[thorn plover]

Ya I don't play HB

[stable verge]

If I play with aug/mage (again, I'm pugging), I blink and they ded somehow

[rustic coyote]

interestinv pov. How do you deal with double dps dots? Because I usually bloom one and reg focus the second

[thorn plover]

I push regrowth

[rustic coyote]

if I can bark I bark

[thorn plover]

The only pulls I can think of where a DPS gets bloom from me is 2nd boss trash in sky, and absorbs on first area seat

I'm in no way saying this is the right way to play, but it's working for me fine up to 19s atleast

[rustic coyote]

Yeye I fully understood. Was an interesting pov to be honest

[thorn plover]

I didn't even intend to push this high in keys so I have put very little thought into my talents or gameplay

[rustic coyote]

I am getting into my resi +17 push, so tips and strategies are always welcomed

[vivid owl]

I would like some feedback regarding my build for 16/17s! Is there anything that is noteworthy of taking? (i havent healed them yet so idk)

[thorn plover]

Looks almost exactly what I run

[haughty ibex]

is uv really needed acc wondering

i mean where else would u put so is kinda w/e

[vivid owl]

i take it because i dont trust people with interrupts, and usually shift into bear if i see a cast on me

[spark river]

in 17s no

just shifting to bear is enough

[vivid owl]

hmm okay

[thorn plover]

https:// not-even-close. com/

Remove the spaces. This tells you where UV is needed

[haughty ibex]

ye but in 17s nothing is os afaik

[thorn plover]

Yeah not needed, but nice to have

[haughty ibex]

even the leap from lynx in ws is survivable without bear I think?

maybe not idk im lying

[spark river]

lynx killed me in an 18 without bear from 90% hp

[haughty ibex]

noob…

[spark river]

skill issue

[haughty ibex]

idk I think bark was enough for me to survive in 19

[thorn plover]

Just don't get targeted. Duh

[kind star]

just erhm meld it probably?

[thorn plover]

Full hot, los

[haughty ibex]

is lycaras good to take instead or not worth?

[haughty ibex]

does it acc work

[kind star]

im wondering if it does actually, it prolly just cast another pounce on someone else after tho

[undone linden]

just spam spinning crane kick

oh wrong disc

[thorn plover]

I don't take boomie or Sunfire, but it doesn't make much difference

[vivid owl]

yeah i was thinking of dropping those ngl

[thorn plover]

Sunfire is a waste of mana, and we don't use boomie form

[stable verge]

Screw that KFC ass form

[undone linden]

yea sunfire drains ur mana, i specced out of it

[haughty ibex]

how hard is mw compared to rdruid from 1 to 10

[thorn plover]

-6

[undone linden]

mw is only harder on some boss fights xd

thats it

[haughty ibex]

like which?

im clueless

[undone linden]

seat bosses is abit rough for them

but theyre so broken on trash it doesnt even matter

[vivid owl]

is it worth speccing into some cat talents tho without fluid form? its just so good with fluid

[undone linden]

like the amount of prep a rdruid has to do on trash fights compared to mw is .......

[thorn plover]

I dont take fluid form but I take some cat stuff

[thorn plover]

How I feel playing my rsham too. 0 brain required

[haughty ibex]

do u acc spam spin or is that bait

[undone linden]

oh make sure u prep 5 hots on yourself and 3 dps incase one of you gets a mechanic! (every pack)!

[undone linden]

its literally the only ability they press on trash

even in 20+ keys

💀

[haughty ibex]

😭😭 I still legit don’t believe it

it cannot be real wat

[spark river]

you do

straight up 300k hps

by just spinning

[thorn plover]

If there's more than 2 mobs you spin

[haughty ibex]

mffgh im rerolling

[vivid owl]

i spin so much on my mw i forget how to play the class

[undone linden]

im getting abit tired of rdruid rn, one mistake and some1 dies, even if u prepped everybody 99% correctly

[haughty ibex]

i never played another healer so everything looks insanely hard

[undone linden]

meanwhile monks just spin any mechanic

but disc priests arent allowed to dps to heal

🙂

[sudden rover]

drop 1tv for ND

[thorn plover]

Id probably switch mw but I don't like it in raid

[haughty ibex]

stop baiting

[thorn plover]

Bait

[sudden rover]

ND feels fucking great in keys I swear to god

[vivid owl]

lmaooo

[sudden rover]

na na I used to be ND hater but now I love it

[spark river]

one thing is memeing another thing is misleading people

[thorn plover]

In easy keys I fully agree

[spark river]

So please dont do that

[vivid owl]

i just dropped it

[sudden rover]

I aint misleading wtf

[thorn plover]

I was too, then I dropped it once I hit 17s

[sudden rover]

play nd in keys

[haughty ibex]

ye in weekly no leaver keys

[thorn plover]

It's super comfy, but there's better points

[sudden rover]

meh

[undone linden]

ill try to find you a pov, its laughable

[haughty ibex]

tysm 🙏🏻

[tough portal]

Nd droppers when they spend 4 more casts per minute on rejuv and take a talent that adds 2% healing instead

[thorn plover]

ND does give you a lot more regrowth time

[sudden rover]

imagine not playing nd 😹

[haughty ibex]

nd is fine all jokes aside

also won’t make or break ur key

[sudden rover]

for sure, it's just comfort

feels amazing

[thorn plover]

If you're dropping anything for ND it's NB

Not 2tv

[sudden rover]

disagree

[tough portal]

VI users talking about all the benefits of having more Rejuv uptime for free but dropping ND

Think about this

Good morning

[haughty ibex]

but ur just flaming half of the community in one sentence

[sudden rover]

1 nb 1tv + nd is the winning formula boys

[thorn plover]

Gm face

[tough portal]

I didnt flame dont put words in my mouth

Put choccy chip cookies

[haughty ibex]

sorry…

[vivid owl]

i have no idea, i just came for talent advice as im just using the wowhead m+ reqs and seen people using different stuff ^^

[haughty ibex]

i felt flamed… but is okay i liked it

[thorn plover]

This is the point I was trying to make. Don't put too much thought into talents, they're all crazy competitive

[haughty ibex]

is preference ngl won’t make a diff in keys

Those points are all flexible

[tough portal]

They are mostly right it's just preference and you adjust to how you need to play with a few more casts of one button vs another depending on the talents

We have a lot of sidegrades, lots of talents are very well balanced

[undone linden]

not the best but https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2759061640?t=6h56m48s

💀

[thorn plover]

Average mw monk^

[undone linden]

its even funnier on like windrunner 1st pull

they just revival 4 debuffs and continue spinning

[thorn plover]

How is his headset cord not tangled, what is this technology

[tough portal]

[spark river]

[haughty ibex]

BDBSHAHAH

[vivid owl]

i mean, hes pressing alot more than spinning crane kick

[undone linden]

yes its obv exaggerated

its just the diff

[spark river]

its basically constantly kicking to spread renewing mist and then spinning

[undone linden]

like playing rdruid in the same keys

vs mw

is so much difference

[tough portal]

It's more like a BM hunter than a Diablo Barb spin to win

[haughty ibex]

i mean 99% of the key pressed were spinning cranekick

[tough portal]

But not much difference

[fervent mica]

anyone know if theres a place to check which of the delves the vendor is selling a specific item for that day?

[vivid owl]

yeah honestly i starting cackling manicially when i was doing keys on mw and also dying inside, as i would have had to put a million hots out on rdruid

[undone linden]

they have so much front load healing for any mechanic while just spinning

[vivid owl]

its like a x3 the area of starfire that you can move while doing it

[thorn plover]

Rsham is just as easy I think

[undone linden]

i’ve never played rsham so can’t comment

[haughty ibex]

i perma oom

but i suck at it

[stable verge]

To me the worst offender is how healthly is makes the group. Healthbar are not moving since they all get topped insta. The dps feels turbo safe (as they should tbh) and blast even more as a result x)

[thorn plover]

I'm only doing 16s on my sham, he's like 260 ilvl, but I don't think I've ever dropped below 60% mana

[haughty ibex]

i jst press healing wave 😊

no

[thorn plover]

Don't ever press hw

[haughty ibex]

the aoe one

[thorn plover]

Lol

[thorn whale]

We pulled 3 subjugators on seat 20

[haughty ibex]

i forgot name

[thorn whale]

I was just spinning

No issues

[undone linden]

but it’s just funny how they completely erased disc priest dps style healing but mw gets to do that? like even peak voidweaver nuke dps didn’t do that type of atonement healing

[thorn plover]

Chain heal?

[haughty ibex]

yes

[vivid owl]

Yeah it feels giga good with brew aswell, honestly its a bit harder to press spinning crane kick with other tanks, because the brew stagger damage is like chefs kiss with the crane healing

[thorn plover]

Hard casting chain is sure way to go oom

[haughty ibex]

and my totems

that’s it

not tracking anything even 💯

[thorn plover]

Yeah there's like nothing to track, easy class

[undone linden]

it feels like i’m cheating whenever im on MW

[thorn whale]

It’s fun in raid when you’re not forced into sheiluns build

[haughty ibex]

idk all those air earth water procs and shit

[undone linden]

meanwhile rdruid sweat ass off

[tough portal]

They did before TWW tho

In DF Disc had seasons of being complete smite spam turret bots to reset Mindbender and it was their entire gameplay in dungeons

[undone linden]

ah alright i was just comparing like tww and midnight

[tough portal]

It was honestly very boring to play

With the cancel-cast-to-move punish of Starfire spam

[vivid owl]

wait why am i hearing people complain that discs cant keep them alive in pulls with spikey damage when the mobs die then? are they just baddies

[tough portal]

Shorter casts but much worse to lose uptime on Smite spam cuz that meant desyncing Mindbender cd from mechanics at times

[thorn plover]

I can't figure out disc. I want to enjoy it, I just dont

[undone linden]

wdym

i meant like they completely gutted voidweaver

but MW gets to spin and lay on hands on cd

i think oracle is doing alright? but also too reliant on voidshield proccs

[thorn whale]

Every healer in keys should feel like mw feels rn

Resto Druid stresses me the fk out

Monk is full vibes

[tough portal]

[undone linden]

yea it feels like a workout after each key

[median marsh]

MW also get the best DPS external in the game which makes them even more chill

[thorn plover]

MW and rsham feel similar to me, very stress-free
Disc I just don't enjoy
Never tried pally
Refuse to play a lizard
Rdruid fun by always sweaty

[tough portal]

Healers should never feel like current mw and tanks should never feel like guardian

[median marsh]

RSham players just as a majority aren’t good in keys, I don’t know how they’ve made their way to the top

[thorn whale]

Disagree - I want my tank to be fking op

[vivid owl]

oh right i cant read its ok

[tough portal]

Broken buttons that supplant half the toolkit and your performance is never put in check

[thorn plover]

Guardian is how all tanks should feel, then we wouldn't have a massive tank shortage. This is the most fun I've had in keys on a long time

[tough portal]

Crazy

[thorn plover]

Maybe it's a bit much

But close to that

[thorn whale]

Can make it a bit more complex yeah

[tough portal]

Yall dont wanna progress and do difficult content

Passenger princesses

[thorn whale]

What difficult content are you doing rn

[thorn plover]

Don't you do like weekly 12s and log off

[thorn whale]

https://tenor.com/view/eat-shut-up-dog-hand-gif-20066290

[tough portal]

Pushing 2300 in shuff

[thorn plover]

Huge

[tough portal]

The only place in this game that presses healers on their healing

[thorn plover]

Game mode no one plays

[tough portal]

Regardless of level of play

[tough portal]

Yeah cuz healers are all babies

[thorn whale]

I felt a bit pressed on 2nd and 3rd boss seat ngl

As fun tho

[tough portal]

But you dont want to be. You want to mw spin to win.

[thorn whale]

But mw is not spin to win on bosses

[thorn plover]

We all really just wanna play Diablo

[tough portal]

Pull trash into it

Pussy

[thorn whale]

Great advice thanks

[tough portal]

Yeah lmao thats what I was thinking

[thorn plover]

That's how m+ as a bear or mw feels

[tough portal]

Speaking of it I think it's time to get started on it

[thorn plover]

I had it for Xbox, was gonna grab it on PC now that I have a PC that can run it

[kind star]

diablo

[thorn plover]

Since I'm mostly raid logging now

[kind star]

played it early on and it was a goddamn mess

[tough portal]

Why tho

I mean it's your money ofc

[undone linden]

theyre so good with the melee comps, alot prob get boosted 💀

[tough portal]

But I prefer lying in bed playing on controller anyways

On pc

[undone linden]

like 5 ppl perma in ur healing rain

[kind star]

tons of stuff wasnt working like resistance, no armory, lack of endgame content, now ig its much more better tho

[thorn plover]

Same but I gave my Xbox to my kid

[grizzled seal]

I think this thrash guardian is really bad

[tough portal]

Ah alright fair enough

[grizzled seal]

I liked raze mattering

[tough portal]

It's boring as shit too

[grizzled seal]

My favorite part of tanking is making decisions between survivability and more (relevant) damage

[thorn plover]

I find it fun, but mostly because it's different than what I was doing yesterday lol

[tough portal]

I wonder if anybody gets a yelling at for pushing hotfixes to make a spec drop tier set and apex talents

[grizzled seal]

Do they drop tier now?

[thorn plover]

Tier set buffs maul/raze. You don't even press it

[tough portal]

Maybe, probably not but it went from like 15% damage to 3% damage

[grizzled seal]

Idk what guardian tier does

I only know resto druid tier

[thorn plover]

Makes pressing maul proc a moonfire

[tough portal]

It makes raze echo

[thorn whale]

Probably yeah

[tough portal]

It's very creative

[fervent mica]

no apex no tier on bear is peak

[thorn plover]

Hi noah

[analog skiff]

do we play cat in st and boomy aoe dmg ?

[analog skiff]

hello

[tough portal]

Boomie damage is better in theory everywhere

[thorn plover]

I mean we played no apex no 4 set, so it's about par

[analog skiff]

i was playing boomy st and aoe but looks like st is aboslute disaster

[analog skiff]

wb this

[tough portal]

If you spec into physical damage for cat single target, Starfire spam is quite pathetic

[analog skiff]

with circle of the wild

[tough portal]

I dont think a split build like this is a DPS gain over just plain catweaving normally

Sunfire is malware

[analog skiff]

took it from archon high keys

[tough portal]

If you take Master Shapeshifter, Starfire spam can be a DPS gain in AOE even without 25% magic
If you take Liveliness, Starfire is shit, Sunfire can be worth casting, but that's 3 points for Sunfire, cuz you shouldnt use Starfire in this case

[tough portal]

I'm blocking you

[analog skiff]

wtf 😄

i tookk the build just to see whats the diff between mine and top keys, simply cant understand how st boomy is a thing over cat

but this one looks solid no ?

[glossy holly]

boomy isnt really a thing, the form that is

[analog skiff]

pls dont

[glossy holly]

u are just a caster

[thorn plover]

Drop boomie and Sunfire

[tough portal]

I already said what I had to say on it, try it out mate

[thorn plover]

Grab starsurge

[fervent mica]

...

this is supposed to be a key build?>

[severe rose]

ppl use Sunfire in highkeys as a simple way of adding dmg while being able to focus on healing

[fervent mica]

but no incap??

[fervent mica]

no, they use it to eat all of their mana and have to spend time drinking

[tough portal]

#resto message an example of why dumping 3 talents points on it makes little sense

I understand the idea, but numerically it doesnt make sense

Sunfire is malware

[analog skiff]

im suing starfire and sunfire and i dont use liveliness cuz dont want to drink every 3 pulls

[tough portal]

Kk happy for you

[analog skiff]

but st is shihh

[severe rose]

6 targets is very low for a high key scenario

[analog skiff]

asking where the st is supposed to come if not cat form @tough portal

[haughty ibex]

why r u playing no incap? idec about rest of talents

[tough portal]

And damage on the 9th and 12th mobs is meaningless

[analog skiff]

why should i?

I'm playing with prem group

[median marsh]

You probably gain more
Much value in M+ sending Wrath and Starsurge into the primary target

[severe rose]

Why is it meaning less? As we do low dmg anyways our prio dmg is not moving the needle

[haughty ibex]

what keylvl are u playing?

[analog skiff]

19

[fervent mica]

very passenger princess of you

[severe rose]

its not meeningless until the prio mob dies last which it does not in my experiance

[tough portal]

Cuz they have 40% less hp and dont do anything but melee the tank. But if your perspective is that our prio damage doesnt move the needle while Sunfire is a worthwhile investment, this is not a discussion I wanna be in anymore

Good day mate

[fervent mica]

incap is one of the best aoe stops in the game with how short the cd is... skipping it is crazy

[haughty ibex]

and u feel like u don’t need aoe stop? for funsies

even if u press 1x is more worth than anything else

[analog skiff]

and what do you suggest to drop ?

[fervent mica]

everything

[analog skiff]

btw this build is copy paste from 22 key xD

[haughty ibex]

so?

[analog skiff]

and i havent played it

[analog skiff]

the guy that plays 22 maybe has more knowledge than you

[haughty ibex]

legit anything but like that’s my loweloopinion :p

[fervent mica]

no, he has more skill

[gusty vessel]

Quick Question, is anyones raid healing feeling extremely weird after the patch?

I feel like my hps has gone down by 30-40% while playing roughly the same (wildstalker).

[fervent mica]

he could do that dungeon with no points in the class tree.

[analog skiff]

more skill = more aoe cc? :DDDDD

is this a joke

[haughty ibex]

im sure he does has more knowledge of me but doubt he has more knowledge of any theroyxrafter here?

[analog skiff]

or some type of ragebait\

[haughty ibex]

are u like trolling

[fervent mica]

everything you say is.

[haughty ibex]

if u feel like u don’t need it then don’t play man

i jst think is stupid to drop such a crazy 1button thing

[tough portal]

Then why are you asking here mate?

Just copy it and move on

[analog skiff]

im asking you for st

[tough portal]

But the 22 guy doesnt know?

[analog skiff]

not about incap

[tough portal]

Cool

[thorn plover]

Noah is my favorite rage baiter

He's a master baiter

[novel isle]

Which of WS or KotG has the best healing profile for m+ now? (And not the KotG Starfire build).

[fervent mica]

ws

is just more healing in 5 man content

[analog skiff]

toxic face2face

expected answers received hate

[thorn plover]

Not everything is toxic just because you don't agree with it

[torpid shore]

I heal irl what the fuck you even know about healing

[thorn plover]

We need to kill this mindset

People go out of their way to give free advice to people who ask, and get called toxic for it because it's not what they wanted to hear

[hearty coral]

ok my turn

i keep asking when people are in the middle of other conversations that are important but this one looks very unimportant

how do i get grid to stop showing hero debuff and other random shit

its covering my rejuv icons 🙁

[analog skiff]

wdym i didnt just receive answer

for st boomy

i got asked about incap

[vivid owl]

moonkin will never be as good at st as catweaving, just press wrath and put moonfire up st(with starsurge on cd)

[versed fiber]

I believe its under indicators and changing to 'buffs applied by me'

[analog skiff]

idk feels miserable

10-15k

[vivid owl]

dont play it then 😄

[tough portal]

Whatever status you're showing on your debuff indicator has an option to hide Sated and that type of debuff

Just go there

[analog skiff]

i want to play it but ppl want more dam

[thorn plover]

No one cares about healer dam

[hearty coral]

thanks

[tough portal]

The guy that plays 22 maybe has more knowledge than me

[analog skiff]

ait im not gonna argue

[hearty coral]

ill check for that

[tough portal]

#resto message 30 mins ago mate

[analog skiff]

just say u dont want to tell me

[versed fiber]

hes never lacking for words so

[tough portal]

Why are you being toxic?

[analog skiff]

[tough portal]

#resto message and 1 min later

I didnt think I was toxic tho but ofc you are entitled to thinking that, I dont mind it

But since you do

[tough portal]

Eat my whole entire ass fuckwit

[analog skiff]

yummy

[kind star]

[spark river]

No.

Its definitely an issue on your end. You can send a log and we ll see whats wrong.

[thorn plover]

🤣

[tough portal]

Idk man any further reply was just gonna repeat what I already said, I'm not gonna sit here reassuring you that the numbers on it didnt change in the 3 mins since you asked the same thing with the same talent build screenshot before

[analog skiff]

selectively chosing what to read from my comments and focusing on my incap is crazy

[tough portal]

Did I say anything about incap?

[analog skiff]

wasnt that comment abbout 22key about incap ?

which i chatted with 2 randoms ?

[tough portal]

Selectively choosing what to consider and what to disregard from the advice you asked for is crazy

[tough portal]

Whats the difference between that and Starfire?

[analog skiff]

you didnt reply after my last comment just got buthurt i imported a 22key talent ig

[tough portal]

Yep that's me butthurt2face

[analog skiff]

aren't you?

[tough portal]

Yep that's me butthurt2face

You're a big fan of asking the same thing repeatedly and getting the same answer mate?

1 time isnt enough or

[analog skiff]

where is the first?

[tough portal]

#resto message

#resto message
#resto message

[thorn plover]

Face

Don't waste your breath man

[versed fiber]

^

[analog skiff]

didnt said what to take specifically

[analog skiff]

didnt expect that from you

[versed fiber]

go get a coffee dude

[tough portal]

It's fun I was just on the uber home

Nothign else to do

[analog skiff]

toxic comunity and all i asked is can we cat st and boomy aoe

received only hate

[tough portal]

Post it on reddit mate

[analog skiff]

[cedar trench]

May I get the Reddit link? This is so interesting

[young pawn]

imagine still continuing this convo when taken into consideration that it's not going anywhere

[thorn plover]

It's entertainment

[analog skiff]

i tough regulars help here

[hearty coral]

i tough regulars help here

[vivid owl]

they did help you tho

[hearty coral]

they are kinda tough

especially face hes the toughest

[kind star]

is he still on that 😂

[analog skiff]

im sorry english is not my first language

[tough portal]

Me neither mate where are you from?

[analog skiff]

why should i tell you, when you refuse to assist me

[young pawn]

u already got ur answer mate "Boomie damage is better in theory everywhere"
"I dont think a split build like this is a DPS gain over just plain catweaving normally"
"If you take Master Shapeshifter, Starfire spam can be a DPS gain in AOE even without 25% magic
If you take Liveliness, Starfire is shit, Sunfire can be worth casting, but that's 3 points for Sunfire, cuz you shouldnt use Starfire in this case"

all of those from the same guy u're arguing with

[analog skiff]

then why the build i showed was bad dps wise, f2f said it

[tough portal]

This was the most helpful reply you got all morning, it's exactly what you wanted to hear

I'm here to just tell you what you wanna hear mate

[glossy holly]

because no one actually does catweaving and caster weaving same time in single dungeon

like u are putting too heavy emphasis on start row of class tree

[vivid owl]

the people doing 22's arent theorycrafters, and they are gonna do good with ANY build

[glossy holly]

just about anyone can take both cat and caster nodes

[vivid owl]

doesnt mean its correct to pick their build

[glossy holly]

and then go to the bottom of tree

[vivid owl]

most people are just copy pasting builds from the top keys, and then it looks like everyone is using it

[analog skiff]

still everything that f2f said was this

and the build i showed had all of those

and he said i will block you :d

[glossy holly]

dude

he means

u take one setup

not both at same time

[tough portal]

Ofc mate, so here's the tldr yeah?
Boomie spells have the highest DPS potential. Whether you can get the juice out of it or not, I can't tell you, it suffers from movement and from low damage uptime more than Catweaving does.
You can make a split build with Master Shapeshifter and Circle of the Wild. I doubt you'll do more DPS with it than fully specing one side or another.
Sunfire, in any case, is not a DPS gain over Starfire spam OR catweaving.

[versed fiber]

how is this still ongoing?

[tough portal]

I'm easily baited

[vivid owl]

[versed fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-madison-funny-no-points-may-god-have-mercy-on-your-soul-gif-5571815

[tough portal]

She does

[tough portal]

Yeah so go to a dungeon and try it out

It's free

[analog skiff]

all i asked for those 20 min

[tough portal]

You can just play it and then you can try something else and compare

[analog skiff]

relax man i just wanted a solid answer

thank you

[whole horizon]

you're at the "taking all those is less dmg than just picking 1" stage

[glossy holly]

is there a way to mouseover wild charge macro to function that u only need to push the button instead of clicking the target of wild charge?

[whole horizon]

its like you read it and forgot within 60 seconds

[hallow compass]

hi which key is the hardest this season for healers?

[analog skiff]

seat

[tough portal]

Give it 2 days and he'll be at the stage of being over Starfire and canceling casts to move 7 times per dungeon minute

[analog skiff]

why are u still toxic

[sudden rover]

damn did i miss some sweet discord drama

are we argueing about vi vs prosp

[analog skiff]

we are

[sudden rover]

fuck prosp

that's my contribution to all of this

[analog skiff]

[tough portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/212765839496052737/1488950095956283463/image0.gif

[thorn plover]

Guys stop or voulks gonna tell us to settle down again

[analog skiff]

[solid hemlock]

Just got off a call and this is still happening, Nice. * popcorn *

[hearty coral]

what do we switch back if we want to go back to catweave build

wait nvm

i think i got it

[spark river]

why is every discussion with noah a circlejerk

I feel like i ve read this countless times

[analog skiff]

i dont even know you man

[drowsy olive]

hello hello, i would really appreciate some resto advise if anyone is willing, im currently pushing 15-16 keys, but i just find im struggling at certain points, im following the "rotation" when i can and im keeping hots up as best as possible, but i still feel im falling short somewhere.

i can link videos of my gameplay or i can stream a key for anyone thats curious, thanks in advance ☺️

[whole horizon]

any logs?

[analog skiff]

f2f will try to abuse you if you ask too much careful

[whole horizon]

silence

[drowsy olive]

@whole horizon im not sure how to get m+ logs up but i can link my warcraft logs - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/barthilas/gloomies

[silk ice]

That’s why they call you Noah, you’re a Knower

[whole horizon]

you have a bunch of 15s times and logged. ill be at my PC in about an hour and i can go through some of them.

[spark river]

Is there a particular thing you are struggling with?

[drowsy olive]

@whole horizon yes please!

[gusty vessel]

Let me know ❤️ https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1jYx8FQfcahbA2kp?fight=13&type=healing&source=1

[drowsy olive]

@spark river well im not sure, i feel like im doing mostly the same as i see other people doing, but idk im like fighting for my life to keep people alive in the keys im doing lol, when i watch others and it just looks like they could be doing it in their sleep idk idk

[spark river]

I see that you are overcasting by quite a bit

You re sitting to drink at 2:15 already in the dungeon

[drowsy olive]

@spark river oh yes i def have mana troubles, but thats with me even casting wrath, but thats what i mean im fstruggling to kjeep ppl alive most of the time, so im spamming everything otherwise we fail

[thorn plover]

Because we're too toxic 🫪

[drowsy olive]

maybe not spamming, but i am making sure everything is up and good to go, maybe thats an overcast

[tough portal]

Definitely swap to Implant for 1

[jagged geyser]

Fellow resto druids, how do you find yourself using stat pots? On my DPS, I typically bind them into burst cd's obviously that applies less here. Do you just treat them as essentially a healing cd?

[spark river]

Lb uptime is at 80%. That needs to be at 95%+. Always renew lifebloom in the pandemic window. You have renewed it too early or it has fallen off 11/13 times.
Always cast a wg before convoking or tranqing. Your tranqs need a bigger ramp.
You missed on a usage of innervate.
You need to learn to ramp properly. At this point you re just a rejuvenation spammer. Ramp up to 12 abundance (even more rejuvs than 12) and spam regrowth until you fall to 6 to get the most out of regrowth healing and mana saving through abundance.
Use combat pots.
Use externals.

[sudden rover]

most of bosses last 5-6 minutes, for this reason u wanna pot instantly at the pull

so u can pot twice

[spark river]

That tells me that you dont understand how much healing you do and how much damage is coming in these dungeons so you overcompensate. Seems like you re more reactive than proactive.

[tough portal]

You're like unaware of who is taking damage I feel like, or what mechanics do damage to whom. On top of that, 10% of you Rejuvs are fully wasted duration, you refresh Rejuvs too early very often.
For instance on Skyreach 2nd boss, you never soak any beams, but you're perma keeping 2 Rejuvs on yourself.

[thorn plover]

That's so toxic

[spark river]

I dont agree with this.

You should pot on damage instances and look if its possible to get 2 usages, but sometimes it wont be.

[sudden rover]

well then ur wasting one usage right

[thorn plover]

Can't believe you guys are giving helpful advice instead of just affirming bad play

SO toxic

[kind star]

I need to get better at that and sending my convokes on CD next week in raid

[thorn plover]

Pre plan all your convokes

[kind star]

ngl idk the damage windows all that much, I just pray DBM is correct when it tells me AOE randomly x)

[kind star]

yeah ill actually look into logs this weekend and fights lengths as we are shifting to mythic raiding for some bosses.

[drowsy olive]

@spark river okay okay thankyou i will work on that! im also not running innervate bc its no longer in the build thats on wowhead, which is the one im using!

and im only putting hots out on everyone bc all the tuts ive watched have said to keeps hots up on everyone, so i thought thats what i was supposed to do, i guess it isnt though.

[marsh prism]

exciting

[kind star]

kinda half assing my prep/looking up fights I mean its heroic...

[spark river]

You dont run innervate and you have hots on everyone when you are expecting damage, not all the time

[marsh prism]

you basically need to know your first convoke then you do the rest as close to cd as possible

[thorn plover]

^

[marsh prism]

but it can be a little intimidating if you're new to mythic raiding

[thorn plover]

The only one that matters there is the 1st one as you can tell by the timers

[kind star]

I want this for each boss 😂

I only played outlaw in mythic raiding in amirdrassil x) last time I healed was huh castle nathria rsham 😂

looking over my logs im losing so many uses and bosses where I couldve potted twice

[thorn plover]

I'm bad at potting

I started putting it in my notes tho, so it yells at me

[kind star]

its almost like some kind of mini-cd the pots was surprised

and our alch finally had reck pot in his cauldron this week

[thorn plover]

Lol

[granite sparrow]

litanny hc > heart of the wind mythic for keys right? i know qe says otherwise but the utility is worth?

[spark river]

No

[thorn plover]

Is anyone actually using litany

[granite sparrow]

oh ok i tought it was mandatory like loomithar's last season

[tough portal]

For instance on bird boss, 2 of these you dont cast any Regrowths during the bird pulsing damage

@drowsy olive

[thorn plover]

Definitely not

[spark river]

man i miss silk

[granite sparrow]

ye nvm just saw murloc.io 😐

[drowsy olive]

@tough portal i dont even know what im looking at with that 🥲 but i will work on that also, thankyou!

[versed fiber]

dmg during burning pursuit vs your regrowth casts

should sorta line up

that 4th grp etc

[pure zinc]

@main timber thank you for your help yesterday. i made most of the changes. some are still pending, but will be made. anyway. my best pulls on lura are around 175k hps, heroic. so ty so much for the help. ty ty ty ty .

[spark river]

why are people so alergic to regrowth

both in raid and keys

[versed fiber]

ignorance

[thorn plover]

I was typing this exact sentence

[main timber]

Legend

[fervent mica]

too spicy

[kind star]

alright well im gonna go over the fights to try planning cd, I might come here and ask a few questions if im not sure about something.

[thorn plover]

Lorrgs.io a good place to quickly see where others are placing their CDs.

It shouldn't be blindly followed though, make sure it makes sense for you and your group. Although you'll see almost identical times in the top 50

[kind star]

oh even better then so ill just go over these and take notes or find how to add them into northern maybe or something

yeah ill adjust as I want

[thorn plover]

You can add directly from there to northern sky, except for fights that need dynamic timers
In which case you can add them to wowutils instead and use that note

[kind star]

As always thanks so helpful ☺️ glory to lifebloom alert too 😄

[shrewd furnace]

Hello people, I've recently seen on murlok and archon a lot of people are actually playing moonkin for dungeons now. Do you cat AND owl-weave now?

[spark river]

Next thing you re going to tell me is that people also play doc

[thorn plover]

Murlok and archon in one sentence

[tough portal]

Personal preference
Full magic damage has higher damage potential
Catweaving typically does better boss/prio damage in practice but not necessarily
A split build that takes both is kinda cope, it isnt worse necessarily but also isnt any better than just going full catweaving without magic spells, or full caster without cat spells.

[spark river]

How else am I going to see what dorki plays

[kind star]

isnt he mainly a tank smh I missed that, did he like make a dotc video or something

[shrewd furnace]

ayy thats why I came here instead

Looking at individual builds it does look like it differs from player to player, maybe by dungeon as well if its more skewed ST or AoE

[thorn plover]

Yeah he made a doc video

He is responsible for this 🤣

[kind star]

😂

[shrewd furnace]

lmao

[sinful summit]

i can understand on the +17 and +19, but +8? lol

[kind star]

a week right before the bug got patched xd

[subtle cobalt]

it started as a 19 most likely 🤣

[spark river]

lets be real mage and aug in the same group

i wouldnt want a doc also

[sinful summit]

doc for farming low keys is great

[kind star]

Oh mages a squishy too? Haven't played with alot of em

[thorn plover]

Mages fall over if you look at them funny

[kind star]

Mostly play with aug/ww

[tough portal]

Well think about the people limited to doing +8s taking on a healing loss build that also takes them away from the basic learningg mindset of overhealing first before they learn how to do better

Like you're think hm yeah I could go into a +8 and play that, but nobody is doing +8s deliberately if they could be doing a 12 or a 16 or a 20

[thorn plover]

I seen a +8 no leaver posted last night

[kind star]

😂

Pug is a really demonic place

[runic arch]

what must you think of yourself if you're doing +8s more than a month into season and going "no meme builds"

"it's these damn doc druids keeping me from +10s!"

[solid hemlock]

grim

[severe shoal]

does grievous wounds apply to the dots as well or just the initial damage?

[fervent mica]

rip doesn't even have initial damage, that should kind of answer it?

[sudden goblet]

Anyone know what addon is this?

[bright swift]

why are we taking pictures of our screen in 2026

[silk ice]

Maybe watching a stream on his TV

[sudden goblet]

cos one of my peer asking me what this is he is not at his computer? i tot it looked like some pvp addon

[coral bison]

what is a ''doc''? o.O

[versed fiber]

dream of cenarius

[coral bison]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaah

ok

[coral bison]

ty ❤️

[severe shoal]

yes is a 3 letter word

[tough portal]

They didnt just make it up in their heads tho right? Like they surely saw someone playing this and they failed a key with them. Regardless of key level but I would even more so in this range where people are clearly not aware of the dungeon mechanics, the least you should do and expect from others is to put your best foot forward with your build, gear and enchants

[spark river]

Exboss

[kind star]

the famous chinese addon

[cedar sentinel]

just got my druid to 90, nexus is the best place to use my bonus rolls right? it has ring 2h and like 3 other slots

[kind star]

ring,weapon,boots mostly ye

oh and chest

[torn thunder]

Roll as balance so you don’t get the trinket! 😛

[kind star]

oh good call

[cedar sentinel]

is ring set worth it in keys or crit is too bad?

[kind star]

crit bad u want that ring and huh

[cedar sentinel]

huh?

[kind star]

magister terrace haste/mast ring

[cedar sentinel]

gotcha, thank you!

[kind star]

np gl

[tulip nexus]

are we upgrading a 289 2h next week or something like m gaze

i guess the weapon?

[sudden goblet]

Thanks

[glossy holly]

what exactly does this m+ devour affix do

prevents healing?

[dense lantern]

I think it's a heal absorb

[fierce isle]

It’s not actually an absorb

[kind star]

oh myth track caps at 289 vs 285 crafted? oh that makes sense

[fierce isle]

You just have to heal a certain amount or dispel it to get the buff

[kind star]

oh you can dispel that? 😂 not showing on my frame only showing an absorb of some kind

[subtle cobalt]

snare removal also drops it now

[rustic coyote]

Shapeshift to remove from yourself

[kind star]

good to know oops

[glossy holly]

yeah i had to read wowhead comment to see that dispel part ''oh so it was dispellable wtf''

[fierce isle]

Yeah they added a snare to it this season so that snare removals dispel it.

[icy delta]

just completed my quest. Does this mean i will get 6 bonus loot rolls in m+?

[grand herald]

Iirc it was initially just a dispel

[glossy holly]

no, lucky

[kind star]

hate how frames showing half the things/debuff... feels like im playing half blind

[glossy holly]

u get 2 coins per week

[icy delta]

ah

[grand herald]

And they added the heal portion so you could solve it with low dispell comps

[glossy holly]

that bench is just showing the progress of infusing some dumb void stuff

as per quest progression

[tough portal]

You do have 6 up to now

If this is fresh you should have 6 to spend

[icy delta]

hope so

it is

[glossy holly]

it actually got a catch up mechanic too?

[glossy holly]

that actually works?

[fervent mica]

just a maximum

[glossy holly]

i didnt think of changing forms to dispel

[fervent mica]

you can buy them 5 weeks from now if you don't

shape shifting removes slows/snares

[severe shoal]

also asking cause i got myth 2h, myth gaze but I also have the myth chimmy oh but not the belo 1h yet

[glossy holly]

yea i remember from pvp that form changing removes such things

[grand herald]

I imagine weapon upgrade is better

But you can probably test it in qe

[fervent mica]

can always add them to qe and set as vault items so it can only pick one

[glossy holly]

weapon is definitely biggest upgrade gain, assuming its a m track

[severe shoal]

tru

[fervent mica]

depending on how difficult they are to acquire... we may just be chucking them at everything

[vivid owl]

how long do you think it will take until spin to win on mw gets nerfed

[glossy holly]

idk if they will nerf that if they dont buff other spells

[cedar sentinel]

anyone knows how to remove tooltips from raidframes? whenever someone pops a defensive I keep getting huge ass tooltip for their freedom/bubble/barkskin etc over my frames, very annoying

[ember pond]

anyone have a good addon for tracking blooming infusion procs?

[hardy junco]

Any good tips on crown?

[fervent mica]

don't be afraid to dispel the absorb if they also have another mechanic

[spark river]

Stop playing that and play actualy talents that heal

[spark river]

search is your friend

[thorn plover]

That's toxic

[hardy junco]

Actually

[spark river]

im toxic

wcyd

let me start some drama

one moment

https://www.twitch.tv/vickmantwo/clip/FunnyAssiduousRamenSmoocherZ-EqucHFRckWI-rbW7

[fervent mica]

you need a snickers or something bruh

[thorn plover]

#resto message

[thorn plover]

3️⃣1️⃣

[grand herald]

The healing aggro is so real

[spark river]

The clip is also 31 seconds

ahahah

i just noticed

im a legend

[hardy junco]

I think we got some pulls to P3, but feels like i should be able to push a little more healing than what im doing rn tbh

[main timber]

Is it bait or does he actually just not know how haste works

[spark river]

He was serious about this

[main timber]

It is sounding like the latter

Can someone message him and tell him there are no breakpoints and haste is linear

[thorn plover]

So 31 is the hard cap breakpoint dr. Got it

[main timber]

Would be very nice if the best resto druids in the world knew at least basics of how stats work

[wary belfry]

Voulk will pay.

[spark river]

Send a log maybe

[ember pond]

stats and basic social interactions

[spark river]

i can do stats

no promise on the other one

[thorn plover]

The chief misleader of up and coming resto druids

[hardy junco]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Gwt9YPXK41ybWCVq?fight=24&type=healing
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Gwt9YPXK41ybWCVq?fight=25&type=healing

Got some high healing logs too but was probs cuz some of the healers died towards the hend

[gentle nova]

Its crazy how much this guy plays and still is clueless

I stg hes online everyday for 12 hours a day

Since the last 3 expas

[ember pond]

i play pvp so its required

[grand herald]

Oh that's simple then

Play better content

[spark river]

pvp channel is better then i guess?

[gentle nova]

😹

This guy never been in pvp channel

[spark river]

true

[gentle nova]

Its just phased face and 3 guys shitposting

[ember pond]

im in the restro channel askign about bisual addon for tracking bloooming infusion

that doesnt require pvp channel

[grand herald]

You are casting a lot of lifeblooms despite having 90% uptime

[spark river]

No one plays blooming infusion so thats why we cant really help you

[grand herald]

Are you not SMing your LB target

[spark river]

And there isnt an option to track it as far as im aware

[silk ice]

It actually explains it tbh, the dunning kruger effect

[spark river]

Some of your swiftmends are not extending lb and some of your lbs fall off or are not renewed in pandemic and you can regrowth so much more than that

[light perch]

no, but how can he miss the chance to be toxic otherwise?

[spark river]

13 regrowth cpm is not good

[light perch]

just VIPs in here, you need to be qualified to ask a question and with a CV attached

[hardy junco]

Thats a thing ive been looking at, comparing my reg to others. That's a ramp issue too?

[grand herald]

Overall CPM is a little low, you are using lights potential instead of reck pot, you shouldnt be going oom on this fight and having to cat weave, cast more RGs to sustain mana

[spark river]

do we have a vickman apologist or what

[ember pond]

pvp is the top form of wow gameplay. Anyone that says otherwise is delulu

[spark river]

Yes thats a fundamental issue

[fervent mica]

it was... 15 years ago

[hardy junco]

@grand herald tyty, so basicly more RG's

[grand herald]

I guess we live in a delulu world

[hardy junco]

when having abundance

tyty

[grand herald]

Yeah, I dropped MS for that fight and had no mana issues

[spark river]

Cast regrowth until you re down to 6 and you should be fine

[thorn plover]

Cdm has blooming infusion on it.

[hardy junco]

ahh

[wary belfry]

The people's thoughts on the dunning Kruger effect is an excellent example of the dunning Kruger effect.

[hardy junco]

tyty

[fervent mica]

you've got gale winds instead of the 2nd point in forest walk, which does lower your everbloom healing a bit... if you can get away with not using it

[spark river]

now im toxic and misinforming people damn

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[wary belfry]

Just blame voulk

[plain steeple]

It can overcap. Just press starfire when it glows. Otherwise it’s w/e.
I don’t think there is an addon that tracks it.

[grand herald]

Also you really gotta fix whatever is going on with your LB

[plain steeple]

But not for the actual stacks?!

[hardy junco]

@grand herald yea might be draining my mana i g

[thorn plover]

Why do you need stacks. Just push star when it glows. Or play a real talent idk

[ember pond]

i just want to be able to press instant cast regrowths when i have them outside of tree. I dont want to have to constatnyl check my bars if i can move it up to a more central easy to see when available location

[spark river]

toxic

[plain steeple]

Yeah but then why do you need to track it anyways. You will press the button when you can do dmg instead of healing.

[ember pond]

why cant we get cool built in druid green circles for our procs like hpals and stuff

[grand herald]

In my 8:40 kill, I cast it a total of 10 times with 99.4% uptime, in your wipes you are casting it 18 times with 90% uptime

Always hit your LB target with your SM

[spark river]

Yeah hes missing out on swiftmends

[fervent mica]

it kinda just looks like you're mashing it?

[spark river]

I think 6 were missed on lb target

[fervent mica]

are you using a tracker?

[hardy junco]

is there a way to swap myself in the raid frames? I h8 being on random places

yea LBalert or w/e its called

[thorn plover]

Most frame add-ons you can lock your position

[fervent mica]

might need to change the sound then or something, sometimes thats all it takes

[ember pond]

i want to track it for instant cast regrowths not for the starfire/wrath...

[hardy junco]

ahh cuz im using standard one

[grand herald]

That 10% lost uptime is a lot of missed healing

[ember pond]

framesort is goated

[spark river]

Also your average abundance is only 8 even tho you spam rejuv

So looks like you need to sort the ramping

[thorn plover]

That's pretty toxic advice ngl

[spark river]

And its not even 3 am

[thorn plover]

I can't wait

[fleet jewel]

[glossy holly]

devour can be such pain in the ass with pug parties omg

lets just run to next pack/miniboss just when they are 50% and devour at same time

[kind star]

For me it's the early star as tank is gathering mobs smh

[glossy holly]

sheesh that can be scary

imagine not making it in time and mob packs get buffed

[hollow idol]

heyy i just got my 6 nebulous voidcores what items should i try to get with them first im not sure if to try get a weapon first or use them on raid also im probbly can only do heroic raid is it worth use them there ? what level item i will get from heroic

[hollow idol]

because i think for raid also its usses 2 of them every use

[glossy holly]

for hc level raids, at most i would bonus roll for trinket at hc chim

[proven phoenix]

I would never bonus roll a heroic trinket unless its literally the last time you need tbh

if you're almost a fresh character just go to nexus poing and spam it out a few times, roll every time

[glossy holly]

idk if u wanna do that before +10 though

[thorn plover]

You can do +10 as a fresh 90 with world quest gear

Silly to use them before that tho

[glossy holly]

sure if u get such party

[river barn]

I think Blizz Cooldown Manager has it available. It goes Grey with a countdown for instant cast wrath or starfire, and normal color with countdown when regrowth instant cast is available.

[tough portal]

No DOC resto druid even on the non-guardian comps so far tsc tsc

[oak garnet]

Why on earth would you bonus roll a heroic trinket

From a boss that is easily puggable on mythic

Bad advice

[glossy holly]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

idk how easily one gets into m chim grps with no experience anyways

[oak garnet]

First time I pugged it I posted my heroic logs and said I know the fight and it wasn't an issue- assuming item level is appropriate which at this point should be like 280

[mystic crater]

The secret is to make your own groups and cherry pick who gets in smile

[oak garnet]

Never did that, druid heals are a commodity on mythic chim groups are happy to have you

[reef fulcrum]

8/9 hc and good m+ rating and u get in izi

[sweet moss]

Hi guys, sorry if this has been asked. Is there a bug in abundance stack? The cdm in-game sometimes shows 1 stack of abundance when I have more than that. Seems that wowanalyzer also has this issue

[proven phoenix]

no I've never seen that

[thorn plover]

Send the log

[sweet moss]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pB8fcN4aC9rRYyQL?type=auras&fight=22

[tough portal]

The wowanalyzer issue seems to just be at the start from starting fight at 12 until it drops to 11

[sweet moss]

I am using ayije cdm btw. I'm not sure if the bug is in the addon or else.

[tough portal]

@cyan minnow hi cutie love bothering you

Can you look into this

[thorn plover]

I don't track abundance in game so I'm not sure I've ever seen this

I'd never notice

[tough portal]

Yeah same

[silk ice]

Insane tech, gains 10 abundance stacks in 1 second

[tough portal]

Big Convoke high roll

[thorn plover]

I cant zoom in on my vod enough to see if the abundance buff works properly

I'm on my phone, but were the casts using the correct amount of mana in the log before 48 seconds

[sudden rover]

this mdi is funny as hell

loving it

[lethal lichen]

yesterday this buff work properly for me

[sweet moss]

So maybe this issue does not affect the real behaviour in game? Maybe the addon is bugged

[lethal lichen]

Use bcm

Better cool down manager

[sweet moss]

New to resto and want to make sure I'm doing right. So I tracked abundance stack. The bug makes me more confused.

[thorn plover]

Unlikely add-on and wowanalyzer share same bug. It has to be combat log related

[sweet moss]

tyty

[lethal lichen]

Ellesmere also have nice cdm

I'm switch from bcdm to Ellesmere

[tough portal]

[sweet moss]

I'm not sure they are bugged at the same time. Sometimes in the middle of a fight the stack starts keeps at 1, and it becomes correct later. I dont know the mechanism

[lyric surge]

I'm seeing oddities too:
www.wowanalyzer.com/report/DTyvNjfZpq4rGdFY/30-Mythic+Lightblinded+Vanguard+-+Wipe+21+(6:42)/218-Squishses/standard
https://i.imgur.com/nY13g2e.png
https://i.imgur.com/3ZpQX1W.png

[tough portal]

You just told someone to use the addon you use now you wont use it

[sweet moss]

[lethal lichen]

[tough portal]

[lethal lichen]

Nah I use bcdm just want something new

[tough portal]

I would too if I used that

AyijeCDM is very nice to set up, great addon

[lethal lichen]

Building ui from scratch
Tired

[lethal lichen]

I just use growl ui profile

[sweet moss]

The problem seems to be in the addon

[lyric surge]

there might be but there is something weird going on in the logs/wowa

[sweet moss]

later in the same fight it suddenly becomes correct

[lyric surge]

you look at my shots above and I clearly have more than 12 rejuvs out and wowa saying I ojnly have 1

[sweet moss]

oh it becomes correct when I turn into cat

[proven phoenix]

oh actually

I'm pretty sure I've had that happen as well

I assumed it was a bug with cdm because I always saw it when I pushed from lura intermission top2

im double checking now

[violet parrot]

the build on wowhead has implant but when i look at top logs most have twin sprouts, whats the best choice?

[tough portal]

Implant

[pulsar kettle]

but all the top druids play twin sprouts face

[grizzled seal]

Implant is way better for healing

Twin sprouts is a meme dps talent, idk why people use it

[sudden rover]

yo there is an mdi team that just surrendered wtf

it was 1-1 and they gave up what the hell

[proven phoenix]

based

[tough portal]

That's not too abnormal

[proven phoenix]

they realise they werent build for that shit

[grizzled seal]

Sinking Ship would never

[sudden rover]

apparently it's because they didnt expect it to go to 3 games, they couldnt play the other specs so they ff

lmfao

[thorn plover]

Is regrowth cost accurate during the period it's reading wrong

[tough portal]

Sometimes people cant play due to an emergency or just give up or realize they're in over t heir heads

[fierce isle]

Have a lot of people dropped Apex 4 since the nerf?

[tough portal]

With spec bansm aybe their healer cant play a 3rd spec

You never know

[glossy copper]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pB8fcN4aC9rRYyQL?type=auras&fight=22&source=18&view=events&options=16&ability=207640
In the logs we have no changes for the Abundance stacks until 00:49.
Therefore WOWA cannot do its job 🙁

[sudden rover]

yeah

[thorn plover]

No

[tough portal]

I dont think it can read regrowth cost, only infer it from abundance stacks

And if it's not identifying it was at 12 stacks...

[lyric surge]

not sure how best ot check that.. in the log I go from 219,103 to 213,271 for the regrowth cast in my wowa screenshot

[glossy copper]

Can you share your logs ?

[lyric surge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DTyvNjfZpq4rGdFY/?fight=30&source=218&type=summary

[glossy copper]

Same issue for you, no events for abundance stacks before 00:54
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DTyvNjfZpq4rGdFY/?fight=30&source=218&type=auras&ability=207640&options=16&view=events

[violet parrot]

thank you for answering my question, the more dps vs more healing choice makes sense

[lyric surge]

that's cuz I go into the fight with more than 12 rejuvs up and the abundance stacks never go below 12 until that point

[tough portal]

There's no shot they're taking it for damage, they're taking it cuz Twin Sprouts used to be better and they never bothered considering it changed

[glossy copper]

Ah thanks for context ! Indeed that's something we should account for then...

[lyric surge]

oo are you helping with our wowa stuff now?

I knew about squid, didn't know there was more ppl

[glossy copper]

Currently reworking the Boomkin druid, but as I main resto I can help here as well

[lyric surge]

nice! thanks for your time =D

[glossy copper]

My pleasure 🙏

[violet parrot]

i’m not the one who answered the question i am the one who asked the question?

[tough portal]

Sure

I was expanding on the context?!

[thorn plover]

It seems like pre ramping abundance before pull isnt registering, seems like it's not even reducing regrowth cost?
Need to go test asap

[violet parrot]

[tough portal]

[lyric surge]

it's reducing by some amount but definitely not what it should be with full stacks

[glossy copper]

WDYM by "its not even reducing regrowth cost" ? Is it related to WOWA ?

[lyric surge]

If I check my mana in the log and compare the amounts right before the cast to the amount right after the cast, it's more than what a full stack regrowth should cost

before
https://i.imgur.com/TMfHyIR.png

after
https://i.imgur.com/MrjwFRe.png

[tough portal]

This looks like just a fragment from the mana cost maybe being discounted when you start a cast

[lyric surge]

I'm not sure how to really check. .this was the best way I could think

it's annoying though.. there's only a few points where it will show me that popup with the exact mana level

[glossy copper]

Not familiar with Warcraftlogs code, indeed there could be a bug there as well

[bronze meadow]

@thorn plover I've been watching your vod a lot, how do you have the TTS of when to convoke and tranquility? I feel like when I set that up for all bosses my life will get 3x better

[lyric surge]

NS can do that

[lyric surge]

here's what the resources look like for that particular part
https://i.imgur.com/4TBpzo8.png

[hollow idol]

so should i bonus roll on nexus for the weapon first ?
also if im using my bonus roll on heroic raid ? im not gonna get myth item level ?