resto

[tough portal]

The pink lines are Convoke casts and you can see how most of the ones later in the fight look late compared to the damage taken graph

[spark river]

Weird of me to have patience at 2:30 am

[tough portal]

The first one isnt bad but yeah shoulda been earlier

Yall are so feisty today

[bright swift]

Fellow night owl

[spark river]

Just tired tbh

[sudden rover]

yeah I always try to greed my convoke, I try to wait for the maximum amount of people in raid to drop so I can press and get the most out of it, I'm a terrorist with this spell

[pulsar kettle]

[proven phoenix]

greeding buttons is just fake, use on cd

[pulsar kettle]

miss out on the fun cuz im playing the game

UNFORCH

[spark river]

Should follow assignments if you struggle with timings

[proven phoenix]

you can get a ton of value out of cds by literally just pushing on cd

[tough portal]

You just want it to give you more time with hots up to buff Regrowth spam, problem with delaying casts is that it'll desync from damage later on since damage mechanics have set cooldowns typically on a 1 min cadence

You could save it if you're expecting movement when we played KOTG

Since you had wiggle room in the cooldown timer

But alas

[thorn plover]

You should just self plan/assign your convokes

Even blindly following lorrgs is better than nothing

[proven phoenix]

go to any log of someone you trust, look at their convokes (will most likely be within the first 20 seconds and then on cd)

copy and paste

[viral berry]

New druid here. If Nature's swiftness improves the strength of all regowths coming from Convoke why is it that the build prefers the 12 second reduction talent instead of simply syncing all NS w/ Covoke?

[sudden rover]

Yeah so I should almost look at convoke as a way to boost my abundance stack yeah? instead of a pure healing spell

[bright swift]

It doesn't anymore

[thorn plover]

It doesn't anymore

[fervent mica]

It got changed

[viral berry]

ooooo ok welp then yeah

[proven phoenix]

guys I think it got changed

[tough portal]

But also at 60s cd it doesnt fully sync with Convoke. The NS cooldown only starts when you consume NS so it would be 3s off

[viral berry]

ohhh tru tru

[proven phoenix]

convoke is a decent bit of healing on its cast as well with wild stalker, its not purely to ramp

[bright swift]

Everyone is so slow..

I'm even on phone..

[lyric surge]

There was also a point where we were keeper in raids which often gave convoke up to 15s cdr, so the cdr NS helped keep it synced

[thorn plover]

I almost tied you. I'm on phone and driving.... @bright swift

[lyric surge]

they fixed that I thought

[thorn plover]

Driving with my knees

[bright swift]

Ok man

[lyric surge]

or did it go back after they removed the stacks talent

[sudden rover]

ty

[lyric surge]

oh it went back

was only for the stacks

[tough portal]

I love my little control of the dream + 12s cdr NS but I miss double charge

[viral berry]

Does rdruid use bear form much as a defensive button? And if so, so you macro it to Frenzied regen in a cast sequence or something?

[thorn plover]

Yes

[proven phoenix]

frenzied regen does not persist out of bear form

staying in bear form just to use frenzied regen is a very bad idea when you could just spend that time to heal yoursef

[wispy snow]

getting ready to pull Crown Mythic and usually get some good quick tips in here... any gamers got a quick tip to Crown prog?

[proven phoenix]

dispel people before they die, dont die yourself, heal a lot but good movement is more important than good healing

[thorn plover]

#resto message

[proven phoenix]

watch a kill pov of the boss before you pull

[thorn plover]

Whole fight is just a movement dance

Very predictable

[wispy snow]

thx! 2 min convoke what did you trade out for it? Embrace?

or 2 TV

[sudden rover]

why are you dropping 1min convoke?

I'm nowhere near your guild prog but still interesting to read

[thorn plover]

2tv ya

[gaunt star]

Any raid talents?

[thorn plover]

wowhead

[sudden rover]

damn I got ignored

feelsbadman

[thorn plover]

i dropped it because niko called me bad

no other reason

[torpid wraith]

Does natures swiftness and Convoke not work together anymore?

[marsh prism]

no one real is doing this

and if they are it is thoughtless

[marsh prism]

yep no longer works

[thorn plover]

have you tried it? it sounds troll but im pretty sold on it

[marsh prism]

.

no I'm not stupid.

[thorn plover]

lmao

fair

[north fiber]

hello everyone is monk meta now or we still good?

m+

[thorn plover]

rsham

[pulsar kettle]

we still good.

[bronze meadow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8Vt3z9QmLTbHPZ6c?fight=14&type=healing

can anyone tell me if I could be doing anything better? just trying to really improve

[spark river]

Bind a regrowth

[thorn plover]

go to sleep

[marsh prism]

you are seriously underusing regrowth

[spark river]

Yeah probably off in 15

11.7 average abundance stacks

thats actually

[bronze meadow]

I feel like I need to look at other peoples casts timeline, I just feel like I'm trying to get 12 abundance stacks but it's always falling off so I don't spam regrowth

[spark river]

lmao lol

Your abundance isnt supposed to be 12 at all times

Its a cycle

[marsh prism]

you should be going way beyond 12

[bronze meadow]

can you explain more?

[spark river]

You would ramp probably around 15 rejuvs, but abundance goes to 12 and then spam regrowth until you fall down to 6

And then you ramp again and regrowth again

And constantly cycle so your regrowth to rejuv ratio is close to 1:1

[thorn plover]

sotf rejuv maintains you pretty easily without having to spam rejuv much

[kind star]

Nice hero gaze and pants should hit 275ilvl ish now

[proven phoenix]

good work

[proven phoenix]

this is not really how it works

[kind star]

Im making so many mistakes tho

[proven phoenix]

you play cyclical rather than keeping a flat line of abundance

watching a vod or a pov is much easier than explaining this in text

[spark river]

plug your video

[kind star]

But im on top in my raid ig

[proven phoenix]

but the gist of it is you ramp high > regrowth till it falls off > ramp back up

using sotf procs on rejuv helps a lot in maintaining abundance too

[kind star]

Ye I got it down but

I let lb drop

[proven phoenix]

oh I was talking to them but idk what the problem is in your case

[kind star]

And sm around 3.5 cpm average id say

[proven phoenix]

if I had to guess its probably the same

[kind star]

I do be watching your pov tho hehe but im learning

[silent ruin]

that's what I noticed from checking my logs, feel like my lifebloom uptime should be higher

[thorn plover]

lifebloom should be 100%

[spark river]

my average lb uptime is 98% or higher after i got the addon

[kind star]

in my case my issue is I have to run out of a swirly or soak something and forget for like 2sec while it dropped yikes

[bronze meadow]

let's say theres random rot when your ramping, do you regrowth that or just keep ramping

[kind star]

or im too focused on ramping while moving and dodging something.

[spark river]

All of us deal with the same problems

[hearty coral]

is there a way to get grid not to show random ass debuffs that dont matter

like heroism debuff

etc

[kind star]

all the input here has been a great help tho just gotta git guud

[thorn plover]

your hots take care of random rot

you arent ramping that long at a time

its like

seconds

[proven phoenix]

depends on the situation

and depends on the damage

if its just light ticking damage who cares, every fight does some amount of light ticking damage

[marsh prism]

rot isnt really random

[proven phoenix]

if people are actually falling low im regrowthing if I have 8 or more abundance stacks

[plain cedar]

random question, do our apex talents change each season or are they the same the whole expansion

[fervent mica]

its the first season with them... they could change if they wanted them to

[solar hollow]

is it worth using a bonus roll on heroic L'ura?
Also, can the ring from L'ura drop from a bonus roll?

[fervent mica]

heroics not really worth rolling on... but it can drop the rare gear

[solar hollow]

ok i'll save my bonus rolls

[finite pollen]

in a raid should i be shifting my lifebloom around to injured targets or park it on a tank and just keep it on 3 stackss and refresh in pandemic window? New to healing sorry if this is ultra basic

[fervent mica]

self

always

and sm yourself with lb/rej/rej

[finite pollen]

ah really? Ok i had no idea, thank you

sm?

[fervent mica]

swiftmend

[finite pollen]

just a more effective hot spread? plus interaction with apex?

[formal fjord]

yeah honestly if you fix that to as close to 100 as possible ull be halfway there

[gleaming spoke]

When I have ramped to 12 rejuves, do you guys just regrow like everyone? even if they dont need healing? the point is to spread the hot, right?

[fervent mica]

you have ~24% increased healing taken. it buffs the apex healing. you want to extend the hots on you for more healing from it and extra sustain on abundance

[kind star]

wtb more haste 🙁 (in raid atm)

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/mane-im-dead-gif-17125533328470459107

[finite pollen]

fair enough, great tip thank youo

[kind star]

need boots ring bad we going into mythic next week

[fervent mica]

is that the crit vers ring? <_<

[kind star]

yeah... unlucky on rings D:

[gleaming spoke]

When I have ramped to 12 rejuves, do you guys just regrow like everyone? even if they dont need healing? the point is to spread the hot, right?

[kind star]

ive been trying to catchup after hitting 90 like a week ago

[proven phoenix]

do some nexus point

[kind star]

yeah boots/ring there

[fervent mica]

if you have extra catalyst charges you can smack your boots for some haste

[kind star]

ye got plenty good call thanks!

[thorn plover]

Is the mastery buff in AA broken still

[cloud moss]

I like tree

I plant seed on them

they grow

I came

[kind star]

alright our first hero belo in our casual ish guild

we have a bunch of lower geared ppl atm we might cut ppl next week

[gleaming spoke]

We doin it rn too, Thoro.

[kind star]

I joined them last week it was their first crown kill too

[marsh prism]

is the extended p2 in heroic too or just mythic

[kind star]

have no clue of lura mechanics its heroic ill be fine right

[marsh prism]

err

i was asking about beloren

oh

[hearty coral]

is this possible?

[marsh prism]

just independent thought about the next boss, right, sorry

yeah you should be fine

[kind star]

oh idk altho I just killed it 😂 I kinda struggled on belo just because I focused on my color and other stuff.

I actually got beat by our priest and shaman smh

[marsh prism]

holy fuck my 4 went up to an 11 for my beloren kill from last night where i died to quill splash while i was tranqing

lets fucking go?

[kind star]

lets goooo

progress right??

[marsh prism]

genuinely might just rekill anyway but we rolled like

an absurd number of uhhh

the

the big trinky

PLUME

[kind star]

alright first runes we died 😂

[marsh prism]

i believe

[kind star]

we like mirrored the order rofl

[spark river]

Pugs one egg phase cheese in heroic

[marsh prism]

o ok makes sense

i forgot about that aspect of it 👴

[kind star]

like 10 different person called the runes LOL

[marsh prism]

@wicked veldt where the hell is the wink Lura clip I'm trying to find it

[marsh prism]

https://www.twitch.tv/im_nance/clip/ImpartialSincereVampireDeIlluminati-S7wm_dDCAtzemS-h

All it takes is one dumb fuck

[kind star]

I was sure you guys we're gonna mess it up.

we got one memory game down but I got a glaive to the face lol

[thorn plover]

finally 18 aa complete lol

been dreading that one

[woven mango]

What did you pick up instead of 1m convoke

[thorn plover]

nance is gonna yell at me if i talk about it

[thorn plover]

sleep

[urban kestrel]

I fucked up my 18 AA so bad took 2 tries

I didnt realize people can just get 2 tapped if you dispel at the wrong time going into missiles

and we already lost a lot of time cause I didnt realize I was high enough that hunter and myself basically needed full constant healing on the elemental boss

[thorn plover]

THAT JUST HAPPENED TO ME

lol

[glossy holly]

whats up with hunters anyway

[thorn plover]

they killed it without me

[glossy holly]

i also noticed hunters needing so much heal at ele boss

[urban kestrel]

hunters have a lot of defensives but they're really short so they need to play really well and when they run out they run out for a WHILES

kinda like mages but not as down bad as mages

also now that they're all going sv, they're just all 6% tankier

[fervent mica]

the last 18 aa i tried had hunter and mage... vex felt impossible

[kind star]

omg our caller keeps failing now 😂

[urban kestrel]

lura pugs are some cursed shit but Ive roughed through it on my main because its a big upgrade

but I dont care enough to do it on my priest

[glossy holly]

it was enough for me to watch some lura raid streams

[oak garnet]

Mage and hunter in same key

Ouch

[glossy holly]

not to ever touch pug parties for the boss

[oak garnet]

You need two blooms back

I perma bloom mages in keys

Those fuckers are paper

[glossy holly]

curiously i havent seen many mages on my way up in m+ levels

[fervent mica]

every mage is near death 24/7 and does no damage... i don't get it

[urban kestrel]

class just fucking blows

make a dh and get that perma 20% dr and 20% leech

[glossy holly]

they actually got 20% dr?

[marsh prism]

it could be time for the nsrt buttons

[urban kestrel]

im just making fun of how good the uptime on their interrupt dr is

but they get like 10s of 15% dr for kicking

[glossy holly]

haha

thats quite insane tbf

[urban kestrel]

sorry, its 12s

[west topaz]

people call out way too slow, it's easier in the group where we said O X T V D and also only 4 shapes and not the 5th, and make it snappy

[urban kestrel]

my lord

[west topaz]

people pronounce shit like fken molasses

[fervent mica]

gotta get foghorn leghorn to do the shape callouts.

i say i say circle

[west topaz]

DKs can do it in your groups, theyre not that busy durin those times

secret~

[kind star]

like it calls it out in raid chat the order?

[west topaz]

healers busy, and can miss the first shape of the next few games

evokers and tanks doing nsrt is better if you must

theyre less busy

dont make other dps do it unless theyre like a slowass caster

[marsh prism]

someone has to press the button that corresponds to the symbol when they see it but it displays the map for you based on those presses

it is essential on mythic because its across 3 phases but it can also help on heroic for not mixing up calls

[kind star]

oh that would be helpful ngl im not used to the symbols that much and also trying to play resto well

[glossy holly]

its certainly ironic for blizz to introduce a final boss that needs addons help after removing such tools

[grand herald]

crown is dead with a respectable 195k hps parse

feels good

[kind star]

we are getting it down better now tho its the other mechanics.

[marsh prism]

gz

[marsh prism]

that's prog baby !

keep it up

[rotund geode]

what would you guys do between coach mythic or feather heroic

[glossy holly]

honestly i may lean towards coach

[rotund geode]

they look pretty close on QE, i like that coach makes not having to press it

[glossy holly]

it may be annoying to apply on each dungeon run

but at least it will actually support ur heals

[rotund geode]

pressing feather is weird sometimes

we already have so much haste

[glossy holly]

yea im honestly not sure how to properly use haste procs

they are not exactly effective in dire situations

faster regrowths sure but...

maybe i would rather prefer more potent heals

[marsh prism]

how much do you have

[rotund geode]

completely naked without flask

1135 haste and 830 mastery

and i have hotw trinket

[fervent mica]

halfway there

[rotund geode]

wdym halfway thre

[ember folio]

Haste

[kind star]

welp

we made it to intermission

[rotund geode]

for raid, would you drop some mastery gear in order to put some haste gear (on gear where other stats are vers or crit)

for exemple i could drop main mastery low vers for high crit low haste, which seems to impact my heal less but id gain haste

[umbral marten]

Probabbly been asked to death, but is there a dungeon to target for the rerolls?

[formal fjord]

help please friends: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kXAbj3dPZFwJNRQg?fight=19&type=healing&source=90 -> i was fine last week but this week was so chaotic -> am i just timing it poorly?

[pastel dragon]

on mythic alleria, are monk and pally healers counted as ranged or melee for obalisks in P2?

[peak jay]

I've played druid for so long now. I think i'm just not vibing with it anymore wit hthis spam regrowth playstyle. I miss the ramp big flourish moments 😣

[glossy holly]

haste is good but its not that good to sacrifice mastery for raiding scene

[thorn plover]

RANGE

caps

[pastel dragon]

THANK YOU

[grand herald]

it looks fine? your other healers arent sandbagging and you seem to be mostly playing well

[formal fjord]

i was 99 last season

so aiming for that

or above

[grand herald]

you can improve your overall CPM a lil, your LB uptime a lil

[formal fjord]

hmm yeah good point on LB, i think thats probs the main thing, too busy watching dps go down heh

appreciate it ❤️

[grand herald]

you are also like, 4 CPM less than me in general

[formal fjord]

being in new zealand doesnt help

[grand herald]

not sure if thats just haste diff or what

[formal fjord]

i have to feel my frames

[grand herald]

yeah

[formal fjord]

41% haste

[grand herald]

ok yeah you have more haste then me

so try and keep that gcd rollin a bit more

[formal fjord]

got u

feelycasting my gcds

tyty

[fervent mica]

range for obelisk, melee for tether. lul

[kind star]

hey we got to last phase! prog

[slow swan]

Hii, new to resto druid. How are you guys able to track symbiotic blooms on raid frames?

[fervent mica]

theres not much reason to track them

but they did make them trackable. you'll just have to add the spell id to whatever ui you use

[gentle nova]

Press rg

Stop panic moving

[bold monolith]

is anyone elses numbers on mythic vorasius absolute dogwater?

it feels like a boss r druid is good at but we're 2nd worst

[gentle nova]

Druid is not good at short burst damage window fights

[thorn plover]

idk i did 150k on it this week

[gentle nova]

Its actually terrible

[thorn plover]

but we 4 healed

lol

[gentle nova]

And tranq only lines up for one beam

[bold monolith]

did you run convoke or tree?

[thorn plover]

convoke ofc

[gentle nova]

No one runs tree

[bold monolith]

i feel like tree would be better for the short burst windows

but im dumb

[gentle nova]

Ill be nice tonight

[thorn plover]

mattiu

why you no kill dragons

[gentle nova]

Idk i quit playibg

[thorn plover]

oh?

[formal fjord]

thankyou!

[gentle nova]

Too much time investment

I hate it

[thorn plover]

unfortunate

[gentle nova]

I wish pugging myth raid wasnt so shit

In this game

It would be goated to solo play

[thorn plover]

yeah its terrible

[gentle nova]

I could login and play whenever i want

[tough portal]

Sometimes dont think

[thorn plover]

well said

[tough portal]

Good evening team

[grand herald]

just started beloren

this sure is a boss huh

[fervent mica]

i thought it was an egg?

[grand herald]

i feel so useless as a rdruid

im just an external and hps

[gentle nova]

Fight is ass for every healer

It does no damage

[vivid adder]

wild or keeper for raid?

[fervent mica]

ws

[formal fjord]

where am i panic moving the most?

[formal fjord]

yeah i was shit this week, last week was 91 tho

[hard loom]

Ive seen this asked a couple times but then always miss the answer.

Is there any addon showing or alerting you when something has enraged so you can soothe it

[formal fjord]

normally i just look at mobs tbh, if they big and red i can do it

no adds that i know of, particularly with blizz new rules

[thorn plover]

plater or platynator shows it huge icon

[hard loom]

Huh really, ill have to look into the icons maybe ive just never noticed it

[thorn plover]

i use jundies profile

works great

[formal fjord]

lmk if you want me to look at the fight tho x

[plain steeple]

I would raid so much if that was possible.

[thorn plover]

id really like to do a 3rd day a week, but it can only be monday

and ive yet to find a MTW guild lol

also really like my guild, so no reason to switch

[gentle nova]

I hate commiting to a schedule for a game tbh

[bronze meadow]

I'm doing paladins rn and my regrowth to rejuv ratio is so bad, it's like 40 rejuvs to 20 regrowths

[lucid token]

is the LB window to fresh 4.5 or 3 seconds?

[grand herald]

pandemic window is 30% of base duration

[gentle nova]

🙁

40:20 is suspicious

Thats too much

[bronze meadow]

it's piss

I keep trying to get to 16 rejuvs before I start regrowthing

[gentle nova]

You arent doing 40/20

That would make ur total cpm like 80

😹

[bronze meadow]

im saying total

[gentle nova]

Show the cpm chart i dont understand

[bronze meadow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BGYV9CaRAF6yqDPt

[gentle nova]

Yeah thats bad

Press more rg

And less starsurge

[stiff ruin]

Do you old every other reflux or every 3rd reflux in nexus

[grand herald]

i cant believe i bonus roll alleria and get the stupid boots

[gentle nova]

I got the pants

[bronze meadow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BGYV9CaRAF6yqDPt?fight=14&type=healing&source=18

felt like I hit rg 2x more times

still 29 to 42 :/

[grand herald]

i dont have myth pants yet so it woulda been somethin at least

[gentle nova]

Clearly didnt

[bronze meadow]

"felt"

clearly not

[gentle nova]

Try pressing rejuv only on sotf or when theres gonna be big healing to be done

Like when your conv/tranq is getting off cd

Or when absorbs are gonna happen

And the rest just rg

[bronze meadow]

bet I will ty

[gentle nova]

Ur cpm overall is pretty low tho

[vivid peak]

Can you disable lindormi's guidance of nameplates?

[gentle nova]

Thats my paladins

Youre panick moving too much

[stiff ruin]

does anyone know Do you hold every other reflux or every 3rd reflux in nexus

[gentle nova]

Using tiger dash for what that fight doesnt even require movement

Also just tank hammers you wont die

Just move for shields

[lament cipher]

Is there a new bug in windrunner spire with invisible tornadoes on emberdawn? Two dungeons back to back I've died when there is nothing near me as the phase is ending, happened to another person in the second party too, I think, saw him blow up with nothing around

[bronze meadow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BGYV9CaRAF6yqDPt?fight=16&type=healing&source=18

I had the worst healing with almost equal rg and rj

[grand herald]

thats just negative casts per minute

im casting 50% more spells than you

[marsh prism]

record urself

[bronze meadow]

could it be because I'm using convoke and tranq in the 2mins

[grand herald]

no

[hardy canopy]

i just had someone die to an invisible tornado on my key

[open ferry]

for araknath in skyreach on 19+ do you guys recommend keeping double rejuv on everyone or just one should be enough? cause with pugs knowing whos gonna soak gets a bit difficult

[hardy canopy]

they truly aren't syncd

[formal fjord]

yup this is the biggest issue: 86.31% activity -> not even your pres evoker is uptime where it could be heh.

[grand herald]

missing 33% of your casts is not cause you are channeling

SM cpm is also pretty low

[lament cipher]

Ok, just making sure I wasnt going crazy. I'll turn on shadowplay next time I run it

[grand herald]

LB uptime is also quite low

also why are you keeper on paladins

[marsh prism]

during prog I basically recommend always recording at least one late pull of the night anyway

can help troubleshoot why you're moving the way you're moving, maybe a UI element or something influencing your vision, etc

or someone can help you point out what seems to be a misconception with how you're responding to mechs or smth

[gentle nova]

Youre not casting spells

If your rejuv cpm is 16 your rg should be 24ish

Not 11

Press buttons faster

[formal fjord]

Is everything bound ?

[bronze meadow]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/mFkteTJngE9KOWF7X?invite=cr-MSxWU1ksNTUwODYwNzE1&v=92

I feel like I'mma get demolished

[formal fjord]

my partner mouse clicks and its just not the same

okay yeah, so watching this vid

you pause too much

like you actively move your mouse off your frames for some reason

[grand herald]

also dont LB your tank

[formal fjord]

and then dont move it back for decent chunks of time

[grand herald]

you should be LB on yourself

[formal fjord]

literally macro it in my guy, that and swiftmend

[bronze meadow]

macro what

[grand herald]

and you arent extending your LB target with swiftmends

[grand herald]

macro LB and SM to @self

[formal fjord]

Lifebloom and Swiftmend, to yourself

[proven phoenix]

lb on yourself, your convoke and tranq are both too late, you should try and take absorbs better

you started convoke cast after the damage on pull was pretty much done

[bronze meadow]

wouldn't it be better to refresh lifebloom at pandemic < swiftmending lb target

[grand herald]

no

[proven phoenix]

you should just use swiftmend

its fine

[marsh prism]

idk about swiftmend self only

[formal fjord]

for beginners

[marsh prism]

thats not the same level of urgency as [@player] lifebloom

[formal fjord]

its good

[marsh prism]

idk

i don't recommend that

[gentle nova]

Bruh swap to ws

[proven phoenix]

I dont really like macroing stuff like that but most of your swiftmends should be on your lb target (yourself)

[gentle nova]

Youre spamming rejuv way too much also

[bronze meadow]

wait why tf do I have kotg :(

[formal fjord]

reasoning? I thought with the apex this season its big.

[proven phoenix]

also swap to wildstalker yeah

[gentle nova]

And take the absorbs

If you dont take em you will do shit hps

[grand herald]

a SM can save someone

[formal fjord]

not had that issue personally

im talking about aside from that

sorry should have been clear

[grand herald]

that alone is enough

dont let your raid members die

[formal fjord]

is there a reason aside from that?

[grand herald]

thats our only job

[gentle nova]

Your problem is you press rejuv when ppl are full

But thats bad

Press rg

[formal fjord]

yes no i know, im curious if there is a reason aside from not dead people

like some sort of proc im not aware of

etc

[bronze meadow]

press rg when ppl are full?

[marsh prism]

no, just

theres uses other than you

[gentle nova]

When you got a bunch of rejuvs out yes

If you press rejuv you will oom

[formal fjord]

sure i understand

[bronze meadow]

wdym

[grand herald]

^

[grand herald]

fuck you

[marsh prism]

first vault after alleria i got ribbon but ive gone through 3/4 chim loot with bonus rolls.

[thorn plover]

gn all

dont be too spicy tn

[grand herald]

im gonna have to go pug a chim kill to get a vault

hopefully the one slot gives me ribbon 😛

[thorn plover]

how you getting ribbon from a chim kill

[formal fjord]

because hes already downed the boss?

but not this week id imagine

[thorn plover]

isnt it only stuff youve killed this week

[proven phoenix]

no

you get loot from any boss you've killed ever

[formal fjord]

^

[marsh prism]

you cannot have thought this until right now

[formal fjord]

i mean, guided by the question he probably has? lol

different focuses i suppose

[thorn plover]

yeah i actually did think that

lol

cool beans

k gn

[formal fjord]

🫘 gn

[bronze meadow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BGYV9CaRAF6yqDPt?fight=18&type=healing&source=18

felt way better I think, good parse too

[proven phoenix]

your convoke is still so late

why do you convoke at 20 seconds

and not before

[bronze meadow]

I need like an actual video guide and watch how paladins are healed

[proven phoenix]

hmm

ok hold on

I might have a vod of akill from this week

ok nvm xdd

I just have 500 lura pulls

[thorn plover]

Watch vrocas kill

On YouTube

[proven phoenix]

the paladin kill I have uploaded is an old one

from before apex

I wasnt even playing convoke then

[formal fjord]

you get up to roughly 9 abundance, then convoke, shouldnt be more than 9 seconds

[proven phoenix]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PvA64d2kYWpyNFXT?fight=26&type=casts&source=396

litearlly just copy this

the timers at least

your first convoke and first tranq are awful

[thorn plover]

My paladins kill from this week is on YouTube slick

[bronze meadow]

thank you guys

ill watch a bunch after raid

[thorn plover]

But I watched vrocas' a few times before we pulled and it helped a lot

Mostly for the flex position movement, but picked up a couple other things that helped

[stiff ruin]

Why are ppl doing 25 % haste?

it feels SO slow to heal

[proven phoenix]

who is doing that

[stiff ruin]

all the top 50 ppl on murlok .io doing high keys

[marsh prism]

ignore them

dont use that website

[stiff ruin]

25% haste /40% mastery

[proven phoenix]

I doubt anyone is so specific about their stats that they are doing it on purpose

[marsh prism]

and if they are thats seriously misguided

[stiff ruin]

i just checked like 10 randoms and they are ALL doing that

https://murlok.io/character/eu/howling-fjord/теомаатрр/pve

[marsh prism]

ok stop looking at randoms

dont link this website lol

[plain steeple]

I have 40/40.

whatever you track there seems wrong.

[stiff ruin]

https://murlok.io/druid/restoration/m+#top-ratings

[proven phoenix]

stop looking at that

[stiff ruin]

ok

[proven phoenix]

quit it

[marsh prism]

and stop linking it

[pulsar kettle]

[marsh prism]

it is not useful information

[pulsar kettle]

what does archon have to say about this

[stiff ruin]

But....there is a reason why they're all doing htat, no?

[proven phoenix]

no probably not

if you dont understand why then its also not worth looking into

[marsh prism]

no and the only way to know is to ask them directly

[plain steeple]

1st: no
2nd: it’s faulty information

[whole horizon]

one of those guys has tier chest equipped

[plain steeple]

[stiff ruin]

🙁 i'm confused ><

[marsh prism]

what are you confused about

[stiff ruin]

just what i should be aiming for hatse

the 25% haste felt awful

[marsh prism]

generally as much as possible, but with gear you literally just use qelive top gear

[plain steeple]

The maximum you can get. Don’t stop at 45%

[whole horizon]

if they have 1300 sheet haste they have like 40% buffed in caster form with a flask.

[pulsar kettle]

67%

[stiff ruin]

Yea i have 900 haste and it's poopy

[whole horizon]

this late in the season you can itemize pretty much for 100% haste/mastery outside of those pieces you cant get rid of

so the people at like 288 ilvl have balanced stats because they have haste and mastery on everything

and that coincidentally works out to be about 1200 haste and 1200 mastery

[stiff ruin]

well it's a total haste it shows on the website i think

[whole horizon]

it's not

it doesn't take into account lycara's or consumables

[stiff ruin]

oh i meant on gear

but i gotchu

[whole horizon]

if it shows 27% they have like 35+ in-game

[gentle nova]

Everyone be like dont link that instead of helping the guy, the site showing 25% haste at 1100 rating is wrong, thats close to 40

[stiff ruin]

oh

WTF

THANK YOU

[whole horizon]

its to preclude a deeper conversation about how you can't read the results properly so you shouldn't bother

[stiff ruin]

BANGS MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL

What is the difference between the 21% and 30% and 925 rating?

[gentle nova]

Lycara talent

[sudden goblet]

For Vexamus on AA do healers not take the orb? so that they can just heal?

[whole horizon]

i dont think anyone skips taking an orb, its very easy to grab

[sudden goblet]

ya

i got burned by pugs for taking an orb when i heal

'they say i shld just focus on healing

[whole horizon]

if it's a weekly 10 or 12 your tank can reliably just take 2 orbs every time, but thats not how the mechanic is done

[sudden goblet]

16

[mystic pasture]

The orbs really aren’t that problematic, you soak them before bombs go out and as long as you don’t have more than 2 stacks they don’t hurt enough to worry about

[whole horizon]

that mechanic is so simple, i've never played with a group that tried to solve it some other way

if you can't heal and get hit by an orb every 25 seconds idk what to say

what are they expecting?

there's no overlap there either, when orbs go out the only thing you could possibly be doing is grabbing one

[median salmon]

Is there a way to tell in WCL how many times everbloom went off or triggered?

Is it just number of hits divided by 6?

[formal fjord]

we had a paladin and a dk tank who didnt know how to absorb them, it shouldnt be hard and yet...

[gentle nova]

Lb hits

XD

[sudden goblet]

no idea.... but ppl are dying on the 3rd arcane orb phase cos it overlap with mana bomb zzz

[gentle nova]

Press heals

[sudden goblet]

reserved cd for tt

ppl not popping personals

[urban bone]

guys, once again i did not get mythic gaze with my bonus roll

https://klipy.com/gifs/my-disappointment--k01KR33N7EHAZPDW7Z84PEW2CSC

[sudden goblet]

finally cleared that with a grp that uses defensiveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssss but fck... i rerolled my resi key it is still AA.... fck this gameeeeeeeeeee

[spark river]

Best 5 hours of my life (im barely functional)

[gentle nova]

Ainnoway nance presses rg

[marsh prism]

huh

[marsh prism]

Dog shit website conclusion stop using it and don't link it

I was in class

I'm not giving them traffic to figure it out

[proven phoenix]

im ngl I didnt really click it

my 2 least favorite kind of discussions are about stats/stat breakpoints and "top player does this, why doesnt everyone else"

[marsh prism]

I'm like categorically intentionally not driving traffic to that website

I'm also pressing regrowth so unsure what that was about

[proven phoenix]

I wish every discussion was just about gameplay

I hate talking about talents and stats

vault, rerolls

[marsh prism]

I wish every discussion was about how Melbourne is the most beautiful city in the entire world

[proven phoenix]

all of that stuff is just so boring

thats cool

[marsh prism]

cotton candy sky

[proven phoenix]

I really want to live in a big metropolitan city like that at some point tbh

ive only ever lived in suburbs

[marsh prism]

it's incredible

it's definitely helping my anxiety and cptsd

in ways that more isolated living situations don't

[formal fjord]

thats awesoem! are you living there now? Means you can come visit me in auckland NZ and say that auckland is prettier 😛

[marsh prism]

auckland is unfortunately a shithole i have been to and will not be returning to but i respect the hustle xx

[formal fjord]

rofl

i love living here

melbs would be where i go to if i had to live in aus

A SHITHOLE

holy crap

i grew up here

thats intense, what did auckland do to you 😮

[marsh prism]

it was awful

funnily enough i actually thought melbourne was also a shithole the first time i visited

[formal fjord]

🙁 im genuinely sorry to hear that

[marsh prism]

cannot believe i live here and love living here now after that experience

[formal fjord]

okay good, maybe there is hope

[marsh prism]

it is possible.

[formal fjord]

look if you come back, there is the genuine invitation to take you to all my favourite places and have a good time

gota wipe that shitty experience from your poor brain

otherwise, im glad ur enjoying Melbs, my sister in law is there with her partner

its a nice place, full of great coffee

[marsh prism]

:D:D:D

[light scaffold]

hello all, i was wondering if anyone had a elvui aura profil because it seems i see wrong information on partyframe and can't see the important one ?

[thorn whale]

Wrong - My city is!

[wicked veldt]

i realise there's another way to interpret this but for a second i thought "my sister in law's partner" was just the funniest way i'd ever heard someone refer to their own sibling

[charred gulch]

Question for Lu’ra: what’s the most effective way to heal the crystals with resto druid? We don’t have a holy paladin in our comp, so getting the healing setup right seems pretty important.

Should I be hard-focusing one crystal, or keeping Lifebloom on one while spam Regrowthing another?

[formal fjord]

rofl, yes if i was referring to my own sibling it would be amusing!

[proven phoenix]

hard focus one

you can play regenerative heartwood to do even more

I like regrowthing all 3 and then spam regrowthing 1

rejuving or wild growthing crystals isnt worth because they're usually not in range to get wild growth on all 3, rejuv isnt worth because they just dont last long enough

you can lifebloom if you want but I've never felt the need for it personally

[formal fjord]

thats how ive been doing it also

[spring fractal]

How many regrowth would you have to cast to make rejuv for mastery worth it?

[proven phoenix]

on just the crystals?

[spring fractal]

Yeah

[proven phoenix]

idk it depends more on how long they live and how long you can keep rejuv on them

I wouldnt rejuv them at all unless they are lasting for almost all of rejuvs duration which will never be a thing

it depends more on how much mastery you have than how many regrowths you cast though tbh

[marsh prism]

i swapped to this last night to use on the second set i miss this talent so much

[proven phoenix]

I dropped treants and improved swiftmend for it

treants is the fakest talent in the entire tree I'll just say it

[marsh prism]

same

[proven phoenix]

idk why 90% of treant healing is only on myself

[idle lake]

trees are.. problematic media..? 💔😧

[spring fractal]

Why are trees spam healing me? Do they prefer targets with high mastery?

[proven phoenix]

yes

or at least I think so

[marsh prism]

to be clear we are talking about a specific encounter where its more that rh is really good

[urban bone]

Melb represent

[marsh prism]

\o/

best city in da world babey

[urban bone]

12 years, best city in aus

[proven phoenix]

it is generally consistent that treants heal you more than anyone else its just that heartwood is very good on lura although I think heartwood can be good on a lot of bosses

alleria absorbs, paladins absorbs

[marsh prism]

i moved from sydney last year and i feel alive

[proven phoenix]

heartwood would own there

[marsh prism]

damn i wish they didnt buff that boss

[proven phoenix]

its been nerfed to hell now

just waste of time anyway sadly

way better to dump infinite prog time on lura

[marsh prism]

yea

wait whatd they do after the buff to nerf it

[proven phoenix]

a lot, it was the same week where they nerfed beloren

Alleria health reduced by 5% in Mythic difficulty.
Alleria’s berserk timer increased by 15 seconds in Mythic difficulty.
Demiar, Morium, and Vorelus health in Stage One reduced by 10% in Mythic difficulty.
Alleria’s energy generation rate in Stage Two reduced by 10% in Mythic difficulty.
Rift Simulacrum health reduced by 10% in Mythic difficulty.
Demiar, Morium, and Vorelus energy generation rate in Stage Three reduced by 13% in Mythic difficulty.
Rift Simulacrum energy generation rate in Stage Two and Three reduced by 13% in Mythic difficulty.
Spawn time between Rift Simulacrum and Cosmic Portal increased slightly in Mythic difficulty.
Voidstalker Sting targets 10% fewer players in Stage Three.
Silverstrike Ricochet width increased to 5 yards (was 4 yards) in Mythic difficulty to match other difficulties.

just shot the fight completely

[marsh prism]

oh jesus.

[quaint notch]

yo i got a gearing question pls let me know if this is the wrong place to ask but
im playing mostly m+ around 3.2rio atm i got most gear pieces on myth track but still got champion neck
with getting a myth weapon im trying to replace my early crafted one and thinking about just crafting a neck
then i found this one https://www.wowhead.com/item=241139/thalassian-phoenix-torque#comments
the Thalassian Phoenix Torque
it has nice stats and the procc seems interesting, anyone any exp if its worth it?
i read the comment but it seems 6 weeks old and was used by a paladin

[proven phoenix]

that costs an embellishment slot

its also just worse than lining

you can get a hero track neck with good stats for free from just doing the pvp quests

a bunch of battlegrounds

[quaint notch]

my prob is i have myth track gear on all remaning pieces wherre lining embellishment goes

[rustic coyote]

I can tell you that sometimes people do not realize. I see people in a +17 getting 3 stacks

[proven phoenix]

embellishments are fake, you can make that neck if you want

they are all just kinda useless

[idle lake]

binding of binding saved my life

[proven phoenix]

you're looking at 360 hps

its literally just nothing

im running 1 embellishment right now because I have a mythic weapon that replaced my crafted darkmoon hunt weapon, once I get a better item in those slots that embellishment is getting dropped as well

[marsh prism]

im running 0 after winning the dagger last night

[quaint notch]

-> thats exactly where im at

[proven phoenix]

yeah so just go with it

craft a neck if you arent getting the alleria or lura neck any time soon

[idle lake]

no embellishments is fine?? thank god

[proven phoenix]

yes, embellishments do nothing

they havent done anything for a long time

[idle lake]

im getting chest and weapon from nexus point this week

unless the gloves drop

[marsh prism]

when i get some more crests i will probably craft like cloak for embel since i still have a hero one but the rest of my crests have literally gone into way more useful pieces

[idle lake]

then i end it all

[marsh prism]

so i havent even been able to craft

[proven phoenix]

I need to fix my tnket and neck situation

[quaint notch]

my 3 options are:

1. keep crafted weapon 285 and go for crafted neck (instead of champ neck) without em
2. use 289 weapon go for crafted neck with kinda useless embishemnt
3. use 289 weapon go for crafted neck without emb and then replace a myth 289 track offpiece to craft one with lining embeli

[proven phoenix]

you are thinking way too hard about this because all 3 of these options are probably within triple digit hps of each other

[idle lake]

4. jerk off and smoke weed 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[marsh prism]

deadarse

++++++++++++++++++

[proven phoenix]

use the higher ilvl weapon, craft a neck

thats all

[quaint notch]

y

[dire laurel]

Hello all! I was reading through the Apex talents and I have a question; "consuming Soul of the Forest" means just "casting Swiftmend" on the target or is there another spell I am missing? Haven't played my Druid for a while and it's a bit confusing. Thanks!

[quaint notch]

thx anyways guys

[proven phoenix]

consuming soul of the forest means consuming the proc you get from casting swiftmend

[idle lake]

casting sm enables the sotf proc

which is consumed when u rejuv/rg

[dire laurel]

Ok, got it. Thanks! Was not reading what Soul of the Forest does properly 😅

[silver zenith]

Tried resto in a normal raid yesterday.

So how do you balance keeping Rejvination on 12 people and actually doing some healing besides lifebloom? 😅
you loose rejuve fast 😄

[proven phoenix]

you dont keep it on 12 people

cycle rejuvs, dont just permanently keep up 12

12 > regrowth down to 7 > rejuv back up to 12

use sotf on rejuv

[onyx trail]

thank you phasedruid

[quiet wyvern]

thakn you phasedruid

[silver zenith]

what weapon should a resto get crafted? i cant see a crafted weapon as BiS in the guides

[proven phoenix]

that might be because its not bis

a crafted weapon is only relevant till you get a mythic ilvl weapon

craft mace or staff

[solid hemlock]

I wish I’d get a mythic drop weapon tbh. Just have heroic final grade

[proven phoenix]

go to nexus point and start slamming reroll tokens

[solid hemlock]

Have been every week

Had to travel this week but Saturday is NPX day

[proven phoenix]

👍 manifesting a corespark multitool for you

[charred gulch]

Ty for the answer

[kind star]

goooood mornin fellow dreamgrovers!

[solid hemlock]

Glad I survived the uk train fiasco yesterday and am finally home

[silver zenith]

so what crafted weapon is good untill i get to mythic (that not going to happend for a LONG time)

[kind star]

literally just scroll up a few message phased told you

[silver zenith]

mace or staff 😄 but arent there a lot of different ones?

[solid hemlock]

Check prices. The two have identical stats but on my server mace is way cheaper (2h int mace or staff)

[craggy tulip]

Can you still borderline cheese nullaeus?? by being Resto and just healing Valeera

[solid hemlock]

That’s how I did it

[kind star]

this weekend imma be in my npx prison

[stable verge]

How is that cheesing though x)

[craggy tulip]

I mean even on day one with like 220 ilvl you could do it as Resto and it was free, the tuning was so unbalanced

Just wondering if it's still the same

[solid hemlock]

She’s a dps goddess anyway

[kind star]

need to get rid of dis asap 😩

[stable verge]

Yeah just like with every single spec besides moonkin, this tier delve boss has not been that hard anyway

[stable verge]

Or give in and chase the set bonus

(pls don't)

[kind star]

ALRIGHT if you said so!

[craggy tulip]

You basically just body pull the boss so she takes aggro then hot valeera/dispel and it's gg right?

[kind star]

its like my last bad item now lets go :3 other than my gear being mostly hero ig

[stable verge]

Ah you meant with valeera as DD and not tank.
Yeah that'd be a bit more cheese in that case, and yes that's how you do it

As the fight progresses she'll get enough agroo for you to even blast dps for the last 25% in all likelyhood

[stable verge]

What's the bonus again ? Avoidance ?

[kind star]

yeah lol

[vivid owl]

Hey! Are there any significant talent changes i should look into for healing +16/17s?
I know what i need to improve on as my cpm on swiftmend was too low, but currently doing 14s and I want to go higher. I am using the m+ req build on the wowhead guide, but i see people taking other builds on the charts. Like, speccing into cat talents, and then taking a starfire and thats it? And the lifebloom mastery talent too

[kind star]

gonna try to ramp up to 14-15s key maybe this weekend :3

[stable verge]

lb talent can be nice when dots starts to nuke people out of oblivion, but not mandatory, and def not for 16/17. In general you can go by fairly easily with the typical talent from wowhead

As far as cat talent that's just because many dislike starfire which is ass to play, and cat provides better prio target damage with minimal effort

[kind star]

if you wanna go a mix of both for cat with starfire thats the build

I was shared this im gonna try this in my next keys

[silent ruin]

where ur right side

[kind star]

right side is the same

[vivid owl]

yeah honestly i liked starfire to begin with as i didnt lose a gcd going into moonkin, buuuut it feels like half the time i need to freaking move when casting and its a waste anyway

[kind star]

dont ever go boomkin form :3

[stable verge]

Well that's exactly that. If you know damage pattern and stuff, you can get some pretty hefty damage with starfire, but if you have to cancel too many of them.. stay cat

You shouldn't loose a gcd going into cat though, if you have fluid form

[silent ruin]

any tips on how to maintain uptime
my uptime is kinda lacking like only around 75 in raids

[fervent mica]

?? are you dead for most of it?

[kind star]

keep casting?? lol

[fervent mica]

or do you mean lifebloom

[stable verge]

mash stuff eheh

[vivid owl]

oh right yeah, duh! yes i had that ahahahah

[silent ruin]

just in general

well from wowanalyzer, my ability cast during the raid is around 75%

[stable verge]

Well always pres something, if not heal then damage spell to get mana back I guess

[silent ruin]

so there's down time when i move etc

[fervent mica]

always be casting

you have instant casts while moving

[stable verge]

rejuv while moving shit like that

[kind star]

can cast rejuv while moving

[silent ruin]

Yeah but how do u guys like get used to it

[stable verge]

Practice I suppose

[fervent mica]

just by playing /-:

[kind star]

idk im new to raiding on druid and hitting 99% active easily

[silent ruin]

so i should just go spam more raids

[kind star]

and im playing so much like shit

[vivid owl]

Are you clicking your spells? I can see why the uptime would be so low if you do

[silent ruin]

I'm nee to wow soo

I think i kinda stop clicking a sec or two during mech

[stable verge]

Any content that challenges you tbh 🙂 if you're not pressing something than.. try to do 😄

[silent ruin]

or moving out of puddles

that's what i've been trying to do

[stable verge]

Most people use keybinds, that's also how

[vivid owl]

No i meant, are you using keybindings, or clicking on the spells

[silent ruin]

keybind

[fervent mica]

so much of this game is muscle memory

and just doing it

[silent ruin]

but i just forgor at times

[kind star]

my SM cpm is trahs 🙁

[silent ruin]

So just gotta get more reps in

[stable verge]

Pretty much

[silent ruin]

my raid healing is kinda ass cause didn't heal that much and with so much going on, i kinda stop cause need a sec or two to process everything

[stable verge]

Particularly with healer where practice makes you understand damage patterns and prepare for them beforehand

[fervent mica]

best way to get better at pushing buttons more often is to push buttons more often... there isn't really some special thing to that /-:

[kind star]

3.5/4cpm average all night yday on SM meh

[silent ruin]

so i sometime stop casting

[silver zenith]

So finally some google found me the answer!

Magisters valediction

[silent ruin]

Maybe u guys have some tricks idk

[kind star]

hey the mace we told you about 🙂

[fervent mica]

the only one with int.

[silent ruin]

Isn't that also on every guide

[kind star]

yup it is in early craft section if no myth wep on wowhead

[silver zenith]

okay 🙂 kinda wished i had 80 myth crests for the craft

[kind star]

I just upgraded mine to 285

[silent ruin]

hmm.. i prolly think too much about mech and don't wanna fck it up so try to put my focus there and forgot to cast most of the time

[silent ruin]

just farm em
unless u hit cap the eh wait next week

[silver zenith]

its just my itemlevel is 223... so im not doing harder contet yet

[fleet moat]

Hi guys, I'm wondering if anyone can go through one of my logs to give me some advice as to why my healing throughput is so low. Any advice would be appreciated! https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GZvzCyn3qxgH2L1A?fight=last&type=summary&source=343

[solid hemlock]

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Cursed

[kind star]

I hit 275 yday got hero gaze to replace radiant sunstone hehe catching up abit now!

[fleet moat]

This I know, but there are very few times where I'm not casting

[solid hemlock]

I had to set up TTS alerts to make sure I cast the right stuff

[kind star]

always something to cast

[fleet moat]

What is TTS?

[kind star]

text-to-speech

will like say outloud LIFEBLOOM when its in pandemic window/about to expire with Lifebloom alert addon.

[solid hemlock]

Like it screams life of the forest (yes I know should be obvs since this happens if you swift mend)

[fleet moat]

How would I set that up, if you don't mind me asking?

[kind star]

Get the addon lifebloom alert

[solid hemlock]

Cdm. Alerts. Lifebloom needs the addon yes

[fleet moat]

Thanks!

[solid hemlock]

Whatever helps. Some tunnel worse than others 🙂

[fleet moat]

I just noticed when I compare my healing to logs of people with similar ilvl they are getting way more healing out of the same number of casts

[fervent mica]

there was only 1 death in that log that was a healable thing, what was your issue?

[kind star]

I got a decent understanding of druid but when you add some boss mechanic im not used to, I just let LB drop or dont SM on cd but thats just lack of exp and some git guud ig.

[stable verge]

anecdotally, you could have shadowmend the first cast that killed you

[fervent mica]

hps does not matter in m+. every single run will have different amounts of healing required.

[fleet moat]

I know, but I shouldn't be getting half the amount of healing from the same number of casts as other people, especially on rejuv right?

[fervent mica]

tick overhealing and compare them?

if theres nothing to heal it won't heal anything

[fleet moat]

Overhealing is equivalent

[stable verge]

Could you link a log that you find weird to compare it with yours ?

'cause off the bat it's always difficult to compare mm+ runs easily, except going pull by pull deeply, which is giga time consumming

[vivid owl]

yeah, even a thing like stuff not being interrupted, and therefore mobs putting more dots on your party can change it too

and how many dispels you have

[spark river]

This is a normal log

It just means your group was better than other pugs

[vivid owl]

^

[spark river]

If there is nothing to heal, you wont have hps

For comparison my pit 16 is at 83k hps

Hps is not a good metric for how well you ve played

in keys

If you went through the log, you d definitely find spots where you can improve, but dont be hard focused on hps

[uncut hedge]

Can you even go for logs in m+?

I mean yes it works but they really say nothing cause it depends on so many things and scenerqios and how they went

[spark river]

m+ logs are just there so you can look up where you can improve

Parsing m+ is not a thing

[uncut hedge]

Yeah but in the window where it says I could improve there and there u maybe had no time for other things or had to save someone

Unless you know when what happened exactly and u can filter that out

[spark river]

You can see all of that in the logs

[thorn plover]

My daily

[uncut hedge]

Yeah but at the end of the day… just go again and do better 😅

Looking at logs idk never gave me smth

It gave me an idea maybe but at the end we have to game anyway

[vivid owl]

logs can teach you a lot

[spark river]

Doing the same thing all over again will land you at the same spot
You look at logs to see what went wrong and think about what you can improve

[uncut hedge]

If you don’t know where the problem is yeah

[stable verge]

Even then, sometimes it can give you tendencies (that are not good)

Like finishing a 30min tough dg with 4 ironbark

At this point, maybe you thought it was never needed, but that few would be trolling yourself for nothing

[thorn plover]

I use ironbark almost on cd
Mostly because aug squishy

[spark river]

im thinking about going rh in keys now that im trying to get 18s, looks like worth it but im not sure

[thorn plover]

My brew needs it regularly too

[stable verge]

Ye exactly

[thorn plover]

I've only ever used RH. Literally makes them immortal while it's up as long as you have rejuvs out

But if you aren't using it basically on cd then its probably not

[spark river]

Aug evokers giving me ptsd

[thorn plover]

I did 19 sky last night. Aug got literally every beam on trash before 2nd boss

[stable verge]

Love to see it

[uncut hedge]

So it means I do everything right in those runs?

[stable verge]

I can smell the sweat from here

[thorn plover]

He didn't die

[spark river]

you can never do everything right

[spark river]

even the 100 parse in raid doesnt do everything right

[thorn plover]

This means literally nothing

[stable verge]

Only question is did you do enough for the key to be timed

[spark river]

key parses

[uncut hedge]

Yeah that’s what I wanted to hear 😂

[uncut hedge]

Seems like log wise?? 😂

[stable verge]

But when we said logs we don't mean the numbers

We don't give a shit about the numbers

We look at the thing inside x)

[spark river]

Its actually funny how the majority of the player base never go further than the parse number

[uncut hedge]

Ahhh but isn’t it like 90< if I got more then that u at least understand ur rotation / how ur class works

[vivid owl]

nope

[spark river]

nope

[stable verge]

Not even

In raids you could somehow argue it

In mm+ it means nothing, as in NOTHING

[vivid owl]

a high healing parse in m+ could literally mean that no one was interrupting, therefore more damage was going out

[stable verge]

If you take the top rank1 team in mm+ and they run a +15, the healer will parse green in hps

Because he will do fuckall all run

[uncut hedge]

I do actually but I never had the feeling that I am the problem (at least i can confidently say 1/10 times it’s me but still)

[stable verge]

He'll have a 100 on damage but whatever x)

[spark river]

Doesnt matter

You have the wrong mindset

[uncut hedge]

But when it comes to stuff higher then 19 i think there is no other way around

[thorn plover]

Bad way to look at it
Always assume you were the problem and can do something better

Or you never improve

[spark river]

Your mindset should always be looking to improve

[stable verge]

Hey, health bar go to 0. Healer job is make health bar not go 0
Therefore, healing mechanic

[uncut hedge]

I will and do always I’m prove, I progress threw 17s with pugs keywise like i go 10 times MT till it’s times or not

[thorn plover]

Pugging above 16 is a living hell

[vivid owl]

i love looking at my m+ logs after a run and thinking "holy shit what was i doing that entire run"

[uncut hedge]

It is I’m losing my mind

[spark river]

seat pugs are a blast

[uncut hedge]

It’s always personals !!!! 😡😡😂

[stable verge]

Sorta like them in a way

Make you feel alive

Cause it's 120% until last boss lmao

[spark river]

i like that i can tell if the group is trash on the first pull

[uncut hedge]

++

[spark river]

thats my kind of dungeon

[thorn plover]

I did 18 AA in raid spec yesterday accidently
Felt crazy good
So went and did 18 sky too

[uncut hedge]

Yeah i always know by how the tank pulls if this key is gonna get depleted or not 😂

[inner lava]

a paladin argued with me about freedom not removing the chains in 17 seat...

[uncut hedge]

Or when dps use personals

[vivid owl]

i love when people pop a personal after the damage has happened

[uncut hedge]

I depleted a 17 seat with a realy good (I thought) group cause no one kicked the bird on 2nd boss

[thorn plover]

Hey quit calling me out

[uncut hedge]

Its so frustrating when u finally have a group with brain and this happens

[vivid owl]

dw sometimes i pop bark and im like "oops its over"

[inner lava]

ye that happens a lot...i think i depleted more seats than my keys done overall lol

[stable verge]

We all make mistake in the heat of the moment ahah

[reef zenith]

think 17s currently for me feel like the level where...you have to be playing for the personal challenge if you're pugging. It's the only way you can keep your mental good enough to slowly chip at them

[spark river]

wait i have to show you a pull from my skyreach 17

I have never seen a brew be willing to die so much

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4DXh1rTdQR2MWj79?fight=10&type=healing&pull=9&source=8&by=target

[thorn plover]

Seat is a weird one for me. I feel like I can pass the heal checks no problem at all. But my tank loves to fall over in there

[vivid owl]

how is skyreach 17 on the last boss

[thorn plover]

Easy

[uncut hedge]

My key K/D is at 0.3 probably

😂 between 16-17 it’s 0.15

[stable verge]

Fairly okay yeah

Boss wise 2nd is probably harder

[reef zenith]

if you're playing to get score, you'll just burn out at the failure rate making you miserable. Instead got to find a way to make the attempts feel fun irrespective of result and trust the clears will come

[spark river]

Had a mage in my group

I ll just leave it at that

[thorn plover]

2nd boss trash is only hard part of sky

[uncut hedge]

That’s why i just join with no emotions anymore

It’s like i know I join a key that’s going to be depleted

But it’s ok

[stable verge]

I mean can be yeah, but boss wise.. first does fuckall, third is ass and last is okay too

[uncut hedge]

And if we time it I’m happy

[uncut hedge]

3rd is giga noob filter

For dps

But big healing acquired for us 🤢

[thorn plover]

On my 18 sky last night I didn't use a cd other than bark on 2nd boss
I perma self lifebloom, and take every single beam cycle

[rustic coyote]

I totally agree with this statement. Going through a record or a log "why did they die?", "what can I do better next time there?", "I could have barked there and save the dps", "Ok I did fine, the dps took avoidable damage and did not use defensive and got oneshotted". I am on the side that 9/10 I did a mistake (probably not the case, but helps to improve)

[stable verge]

Same tbh, but I still felt more tense then the others x) I fear packs much more in there

[inner lava]

2nd is bad if the beams spawns are seperated a lot

[uncut hedge]

The portal fuck adds are crazy too

[inner lava]

for lb

[uncut hedge]

Idk but they hurt crazy

[thorn plover]

Not if everyone stands at hit box

[uncut hedge]

And for 2nd on skyreach i saw a healer jiggle behind a dps beam

To split it more up

Like go left right left right