resto

[proven phoenix]

you're such a fucking idiot man

christ

[rustic copper]

If I cast wg and one of the hots goes on me the rest goes on everyone else

That’s really good

[thorn plover]

Lose efflo to maybe gain wg

[gentle nova]

Why not

[rustic copper]

For eb

[proven phoenix]

did you know pres evokers used to dream breath away from the raid to make sure its only them getting an empowered dream breath

in nerubar palace

[rustic copper]

lol

[proven phoenix]

you could be taht guy for druid

[rustic copper]

What is the range on wg

I don’t even know I’m ngl

[gentle nova]

If you drop phosy you gain 2 more pts for some trash

[proven phoenix]

40 I imagine

let me check

its 30

[rustic copper]

From the target

Ok

Stand like 25 from melee

[thorn plover]

Can you gain more than 7% somewhere else

[rustic copper]

I mean 35

[thorn plover]

TV and?

[gentle nova]

1 talent point beats the whole apex

[thorn plover]

Or 1 min and?

[rustic copper]

1 min convoke is not that good buddy

[gentle nova]

Like, another tv pt beats 4/4

[hazy spoke]

Is embrace ever worth it anymore? Or do we just need master shapeshifter for the mana too much?

[thorn plover]

Ik it's not. I'm a 2 min believer now after tonight

[gentle nova]

4/4 is 5% in the log u just linked

[thorn plover]

Whos log

[gentle nova]

(Not counting phosy)

[hazy spoke]

What’s the 2m convoke build? What do you even take instead?

[rustic copper]

Tv

Regrowth maxing

I do a lot of regrowthing the 5 crystal holders over and over

With the refresh

[proven phoenix]

I kinda cranked the crystal holders

[rustic copper]

That is healing to crystal holders?

[proven phoenix]

yeah

[gentle nova]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZLKHYdWCT249tgDB?fight=3&type=casts&source=10

In this log FOUR yes four guys

Talents from apex did 6.7% hps

Good apex guys

[rustic copper]

can you give me the link

[gentle nova]

Thats r1 log after nerfs (sad)

[proven phoenix]

&pins=2%24Off%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%24-1%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%241253031%24true%24false

add this to the end of your link

[gentle nova]

R1 before nerf was 210k and r1 now is 190

😹

[rustic copper]

ty that is what I was looking for

based

[gentle nova]

Youre a holder man

400k self hps

[rustic copper]

and if I ignore myself I'm still top

[hazy spoke]

So this is a decent enough 2m convoke build? Or is Liveliness needed for Photosynthesis?

[rustic copper]

liveliness is not needed but if you are playing properly additional mana from ms does not outweigh liveliness imo

it is more of a crutch that makes up for and encourages bad play

[gentle nova]

Idk, more mana for wg is good

[hazy spoke]

Yeah, feels like some fights I don’t need it at all, and others I mess up with mana and need it… I know it’s a crutch overall though

[rustic copper]

It is good, I think casting dps spells is grief, I think ms doesn’t reward a lot of mana without dpsing especially with 2 min convoke, and 99.9% of the players playing ms are not using that mana on wg

Check any ms log I guarantee it’s a rejuv spam log

[gentle nova]

Yeah i know

But just hotw on cd can be a lot of mana

[rustic copper]

Hotw on cd is 3 gcds still

[gentle nova]

And thats 1 gcd

[rustic copper]

How

[gentle nova]

2

[rustic copper]

It’s cat hotw rip right

You can’t fluid form ff can you

[gentle nova]

Hotw is off gcd

[rustic copper]

Oh

[gentle nova]

Rake and rip

[rustic copper]

Wait really lol

[gentle nova]

Yes

[hazy spoke]

Ya gotta wait for the combo points to generate though

[gentle nova]

You will have some

[rustic copper]

Alright I’m bad at m+ who knew

[gentle nova]

From convoke

[rustic copper]

Rake rip hotw rip

Melee convoke

It’s not worth it still imo

[hazy spoke]

But yeah, you can rip, HoTW immediately after

[rustic copper]

It’s important to be casting healing spells

Every healing spell is extremely important

[gentle nova]

Its every 2 mins

2 gcds

Lmao

[rustic copper]

1 cpm is a big deal

[gentle nova]

And that enables wg spam

[hazy spoke]

Just take DoC lol. Then it’ll heal, or something

[rustic copper]

Raid doc build

[hollow wagon]

Hi

Is this correct ok so aim is, WG before dmg, rejuv to 12 - spam regrowth till 6ish then rinse and repeat, throwing convoke and tranq close to on CD? and SM on CD

[proven phoenix]

yeah pretty much

bit simplified but that is the gist of it

[dense lantern]

Also try to align stuff to the actual damage patterns

[grim barn]

does anyone know roughly the overall healing increase taking liveliness is?

debating between it and embrace of the dream

(in raid)

[hazy spoke]

You’d only overheal if people are full. Could be 0 if no one ever reaches full health 😛

[dense lantern]

~3%?

[hazy spoke]

I’d assume embrace would do more than liveliness, but a ton of logs take liveliness over embrace so I guess it’s better? Not sure by how much though

[dense lantern]

You can check on any log with wowa

[grim barn]

alright cos embrace is doing around 3% of my healing atm

so i guess its very similar either way

[graceful ermine]

Which dungeon has the other haste/mast ring besides npx?

[iron canopy]

MT

[gentle nova]

No

Liveliness has hidden benefits like more symbbloom procs from tick rate, more phosy procs

Plus embrace is bad when you cut off wg casts for mana economy

The number u see in wowanal for liveliness is just accounting the hps from higher tickrate

[grim barn]

so you'd say its more than 3%?

[gentle nova]

Its more than what wowanalyzer shows

How much? Who knows

[rustic copper]

3.7%

Source me

[proven phoenix]

6.7%

[rustic copper]

I believe it

[rough patio]

Is there to make Danders Frames partyy frames transparent?

[onyx trail]

SIX SEVEN

[proven phoenix]

SIX SEVEN

[west topaz]

its kinda like grid2 where you just mess with the overall healthbar translucency i thought + mess with the too-far-people opacity too

im not on the game rn but ive done it

[tired gale]

any tips for chandelier boss?

with rdruid

or just

[dense lantern]

who tf is the chandelier boss

[tired gale]

lura

our guild calls it chandelier boss

[prime ridge]

Why does wowhead and icyveins show different trinkets for BIS, if it's by the same author?

[restive kettle]

You've just got to swing from the Chandelier. Sia has a good guide

[proven phoenix]

can I interest you in a lura pov

[tired gale]

please do

i need to watch some

[proven phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN23j14Tmqc

wow...

[distant birch]

is that massive hp bar on the left ur mana or sth

[proven phoenix]

yeah

[formal fjord]

really fun seeing final phase gw

[proven phoenix]

tyty

you can also hear tettles yell really loud at the end

had to keep that in

[formal fjord]

haha yes its so fun hearing a guild celebrate rofl

[tired gale]

where did you keep LB?

i cant watch that rn

[proven phoenix]

Myself

The entire time

[tired gale]

did you play the thing?

yellow

[proven phoenix]

I lifebloomed crystal holders for a bit but constantly swapping it is awful for p1 healing and having it on yourself is just more healing

What is yellow

[ebon igloo]

Hello, my previous message regarding dpsing during m+ hasn't been answered so I'm reposting it :

I am new to resto in m+. I've seen some discrepencies in the guides, mentionning that we should be catweaving whenever we can, however the recommended m+ talents advise to take Circle of the Heavens instead of Circle of the Wild, which means we should be doing damage in owl form?

What would be the optimise way to deal damage in this instance? Is this a mix of both, trying to apply owl + cat DOTs followed by simply spamming wrath?
I don't really find any information regarding this besides "just go catweaving", which seems a bit missdirecting

[tired gale]

crystal

seed

[hollow shell]

do heal/dps meters work for yall? ive tried details AND the wow version and neither work, like it says im doing 162k HPS all the time then changes to like 60k at the end of the boss fight, but raid logs say i did like 101k

[fervent mica]

#resto message

[proven phoenix]

no I didnt hold one

[ebon igloo]

thank you

[tired gale]

we will have hunter playing crystal whole time, should i LB him instead?

[proven phoenix]

no

yourself

[tired gale]

[hollow shell]

anyone played Keeper while owlweaving? i keep seeing people play owl and stay wildstalker

[fervent mica]

ws is more healing

and after they fixed one of the kotg bugs its even closer on damage

[hollow shell]

oh nice, i only swapped keeper because i thought it had more healing, ty 🙂

[tough frigate]

Ordered a new laptop, looking forward to changing my graphics settings from 2 😄

[dense lantern]

to 3

because wow is optimized like ass

[sinful jackal]

Oh lol was that him

[hollow wagon]

Ia this correct guys ok so aim is, WG before dmg, rejuv to 12 - spam regrowth till 6ish then rinse and repeat, throwing convoke and tranq close to on CD? and SM on CD

67

[dense lantern]

You asked this 2h ago

[hollow wagon]

You sure ?

[hollow wagon]

Nah that's not me

[hearty coral]

[sly rapids]

Ia this correct guys ok so aim is, WG before dmg, rejuv to 12 - spam regrowth till 6ish then rinse and repeat, throwing convoke and tranq close to on CD? and SM on CD

[hearty coral]

Ia this correct guys ok so aim is, WG before dmg, rejuv to 12 - spam regrowth till 6ish then rinse and repeat, throwing convoke and tranq close to on CD? and SM on CD

[hollow wagon]

You asked this 2h ago

[fleet jewel]

im at 31% haste, now what

[hollow wagon]

I'm at 33% still not enough

[marsh prism]

so true.

[boreal karma]

Ia this correct guys ok so aim is, WG before dmg, rejuv to 12 - spam regrowth till 6ish then rinse and repeat, throwing convoke and tranq close to on CD? and SM on CD

[hollow wagon]

You asked this 2h ago

[formal fjord]

Hey mate im about to go to bed so wont respond in detail, what do you mean by cant find any information? the wowhead has the right spec, and how to use it, which isnt just "go catweaving" , yhave you looked at all the pinned resources?

goodluck and if you @ me i can take a look in the morning

[marsh prism]

ugh

so beautifuul

[fallen dune]

thank you! i dont usually use aoe cc bc with pugs it casues kick clippings, so i decided not to use it, but ill try to. Also wdym with i wasnt prepared for some pulls and dmg?

ye idk if i should use it on cd or keep using it when i think dmg will come and no def is available

[boreal karma]

Nah that’s not me

[trim bluff]

what dungeon is best to roll tokens on for a rat alt

[proven phoenix]

nexus point

[trim bluff]

ty

[dense lantern]

learn the important casts
install blizzi interrupt tracker
cast incap if you see that one of these casts is about to go through and no one has kick

[dense lantern]

both

you should use it on CD but also save it if you know that you will need it before it becomes available again if you use it now

[fallen dune]

does it work? i tried it and variations but it goes a bit nuts

[rustic coyote]

Hi guys, is there a way to show bleeds and disease the same way are shown for poisons, curses and magics? Avoiding danders or grid. I mean, I am fine with blizz UI, just would like to better display those or bosses dots aura way bigger

[dense lantern]

Yes

[dense lantern]

No

Well, there might be some addons that preserve blizzard frames but specifically allow you to do that

idk

but not on default ui

[rustic coyote]

sad, but thank you so much

[dense lantern]

It gets a few things wrong by maybe a couple of seconds

But thats about it

[twilit raven]

Hey - anyone got a nice Grid2/Cell profile they wanna share for m+?

[dense lantern]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/user-interface

Here is a decent starting point

[twilit raven]

Yeah I saw that one, I didnt love it tbh haha. What I truly would like would be a Cell Profile that actually works with the beta version of the addon. But a sick grid2 would be amazing too

[indigo flume]

Hey, im still learning and could someone review my log and tell me what can i improve? So far i know that i should have 1:1 reju regrowth ratio. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DRVf4Y1jcywxqWmd?fight=9&type=healing&source=172

[wise galleon]

How do I deal with this dumb debuff on grid covering the actual MT glaives targets?

[hollow wagon]

Ia this correct guys ok so aim is, WG before dmg, rejuv to 12 - spam regrowth till 6ish then rinse and repeat, throwing convoke and tranq close to on CD? and SM on CD

[wise galleon]

For raids? Yes. You throw tranq and convoke when big dmg is coming out, the rest is correct (you dont really need to reach 12 stacks of abundance, depends how much regrowth spamming you need to do)

I do use WG more on cd for raids

M+ is a diff story

[dense lantern]

lil gup got baited

[wise galleon]

what

[wise galleon]

oh kek

[wise galleon]

anyways!!!

Also some class externals sometimes show on top of debuffs, but just some externals. There is a debuff order for debuffs inside grid2 but im not sure which it should be

[spark river]

Need to be better at swiftmend cpm and regrowthing

[indigo flume]

okay i will work on that thanks

also i should use swiftmend and regrowh even if everyone is full hp?

had like 2 chill moments where everyone were full hp and didnt know what to do either dps or keep doing rotation

[spark river]

Yes

You need to prepare for the next damage event

[indigo flume]

alright

[spark river]

You want to spread regrowth hots for nb

And sw yourself to extend lb + 2x rejuv

[indigo flume]

yeah i usually swiftmend myself

if i see low hp person i swiftmend them instead

[spark river]

I wouldnt do that

[marsh prism]

lol

still no gaze

obsessed

[indigo flume]

so do i always use sw on myself?

[spark river]

With vi yes

[plain steeple]

In raid you always swiftmend the lifebloom target that also has 2 rejuvs.

[indigo flume]

yeah i have vi

[plain steeple]

Which usually is you.

[indigo flume]

okay

thanks

[ebon igloo]

https://www.wowhead.com/fr/guide/classes/druid/restoration/rotation-cooldowns-pve-healer#rotations-mythic-healing I've been looking at this mostly, I also happened to fight some notes on the Icy Veins guide which includes Owlweaving, but it's written for the other hero talent (so it's a bit confusing).

Someone pointed me to a post on this discord that explains what we should be doing for damage tho, so I'm good ! Thanks for the assist

[kind star]

no owl form also since you lose the 6% haste from lycarras going in boomkin so you just dps in caster

[spark river]

imagine dpsing

couldnt be me

[kind star]

I need to try a mix of cat/caster or something hate casting starfires just to have to move out circle everytime I start casting smh

[spark river]

i play that

its pretty chill

[fervent mica]

i play cat... but with 1 point in starfire

[spark river]

same

Just starfire on more than 5 adds, otherwise cat

[fervent mica]

i prefer the boss damage... but being able to just starfire on big packs feels nice

[kind star]

so basically remove sunfire,starsurge,starlight and go rake/grievous wound and rip with circle of the wild and ig 1 pt in killer instinct? ill keep the starfire ig

[kind star]

tyvm

[fervent mica]

i'm sure its not the best for overall, but its comfy for me

[kind star]

that seems to make sense to me! was never really making use of ursine vigor anyways I guess only lose the natural recovery but not really using lb that much on self in keys.

[marsh prism]

ok well its lura time

sweats

[grizzled seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/766349238941777931/1501868822414757898/image1.png?ex=69fda3d6&is=69fc5256&hm=f8fcb26f0a2277fba0570024dac897608e2992df8504e20c9116494631733934&

[fervent mica]

ursine is quite strong... but i'm only doing 18s still... its just overkill

bear form just carries even without it. lol

[kind star]

ive only started doing 12-14s so overkill then

really? maybe I should use it sometimes

[marsh prism]

:3c

OH my god finlly i have haste

qhjwbeuywqghbveh

[fervent mica]

haaaaaaste

i threw my raid today... was wearing the wrong gear...

-4% haste

[kind star]

will be our last full heroic clear today hopefully, surely ppl turn monitor on for belo/lura.

[fervent mica]

eyes overrated

[marsh prism]

showing up to my shift

[haughty ibex]

i understand, i usually send my aoe cc / typhoon right before the aoe or right after no matter what, simply cuz people aren’t rly aware that cast + aoe is insta death. i would rather overuse my cc instead of not pressing, one global instead of having to heal them off is good gain:D
i dont think u were totally prepared for the glaive pulls, there were lots of deaths that probably could have been prevented. not saying its all ur fault, but u should always check to see who the cast is going to and what defensives ur dps have available so u can save ironbark/tranq/ns or watever for those moments. as i said b4 im on mobile so checking timeline is impossible so cant help much more:(

[spark river]

the defensives dont matter because they are not using them regardless

[kind star]

that hunter has 4 interupt oof

[fallen dune]

ye i was reviewing the recording and i was not putting enough hots before big hits, or using tranq/cts correctly before someone died

[kind star]

ive been better at sending convoke on cd in keys but I gotta get better on tranq casts and also plan it abit and not send right before some swirly to dodge

[obtuse moat]

I feel like I am burning out of my beloved rdruid a bit. I am tryint to push 17s, I am in 282 pretty good gear but I am struggling so much. I checked wowanalyzer I would say I am 80% optimal with casts and stuff. Idk what I am doing wrong. What do you guys look for to improve? warcraftlogs or what

[fallen dune]

i also need to play accordingly to what i know from the dugneon. In the glaive pulls i cant just hold 2 healers + 3 glaives and i cant panic on that, i should have baby sit a dps and myself

[fervent mica]

wowanalyzer doesn't work very well for keys... best thing you can do is look on logs/ record your gameplay and watch it back

[obtuse moat]

its just so hard to separate how much I mess up and how much is tank silly pulls/dps not using defensives propery

[fervent mica]

just assume they do everything perfectly. look at what you could do to make it work

if you focus on what they're doing wrong you'll miss stuff you could do better

[obtuse moat]

for instance I pushed to 3.4k with keeper and I personally love to play around reforestation but based on murlok.io 47 ppl out of 50 run wildstalker, I am just not feeling this bleed management while you constantly need to pump heal on higher keys

[fervent mica]

its just less healing

nothing to do with how you deal damage

the better you are the more "inefficient" your build can be... but builds become meta for a reason, yeah?

[thorn plover]

Gm

[haughty ibex]

is time to racechange to nelf…

[oak garnet]

I'm resil 18 working on resil 19 and never worry about bleed management

Send hotw on high prio kill targ on cd and spread rakes when you can but don't think about it more than that

Do like 12k dps in keys

[obtuse moat]

I just checked Vick, a resto druid player doing 21 academy with 80k hps in 284, I am in 282 and I am not saying I am on this guys level but the way he reacts to situations is not wildly different than I do. ofc I know he has a pretty tight premade where everyone is doing their max but still I feel like I struggle way too much for no reason

[haughty ibex]

send a log here if u think ur struggling 💯

[obtuse moat]

Will do and thanks guys

[spark river]

vick actually pugs a lot

the difference is in the skill level of players

[rustic coyote]

He does not play reactively for most of the time, but pro active. There are also commentary on some fights and dungeons. Try to also have a look at them. The more you know the pulls and the mobs, the more you can pro actively adapt to each situations

[kind star]

this 100% properly setting up for some pulls now vs randomly blanketing ppl has been a huge difference for me

is there a way to show all debuffs on danders like undispellable ones? Or does grid shows em or not anymore since last week

[fallen dune]

need to faction change too :( too expensive

[haughty ibex]

did we have some api changes or? my grid was showing everything but haven’t touched the game in half a week so idk

[rustic coyote]

you just need faction change

[kind star]

I feel like danders was showing the undispellable ones before but maybe im mistaken, learned to live with it now that im getting to know the pulls and what packs do.

[rustic coyote]

the system does not assign a random race from horde to ally, you have to choose

[oak garnet]

Agree w proactive vs reactive play being the biggest skill you need to master as a druid in keys

[marsh prism]

can my shift be over

[kind star]

not until boss deadge

[marsh prism]

.

world first guild mythic lura in one play session

[grizzled seal]

Make it past the first minute to begin with

Baby steps

[wise galleon]

I discovered that tank synch/desynch pulling is being a real issue when pugging

and I guess its pretty hard to do as a tank if you dont know exact timings

[marsh prism]

we have now can i go to bedge.

[kind star]

progress!

[marsh prism]

only took X pulls for the normal ass kick macro.

https://tenor.com/view/bear-baby-bear-bear-cub-cub-worried-bear-gif-3871404305283279898

[obtuse moat]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Q1p6CPMaBdhmRATg?fight=4&type=healing

I am so so grateful for any criticism and feedback. This was a so-so run with some mistakes but I didnt do anything differently than usual. Second time running wildstalker, whenever I felt I had a window put on some bleeds but thats all. I suspect I could improve my lifebloom uptime and spend more regrowth (I have the old reflex of only using regrowth when there is no other option 😄 )

[dense lantern]

this is certainly a peculiar spread of casts

you're pressing rejuv way too many times, and the other spells not nearly enough

[silent ruin]

that's not too difference from mine well i use more regrowth ig

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZcjdBRvC98fxNJFq?fight=17&type=healing&source=2

[haughty ibex]

u def need to start casting some rg 😭 that’s an insane amount of rejuvs

[kind star]

thats the cast breakdown rejuv shouldnt be all that high

[obtuse moat]

yea I blanket reju too often 😢

[silent ruin]

i still suck at 100% lifebloom

[dense lantern]

rejuv can be that high, but not 6x rg

[thorn plover]

People be so scared of their regrowth button

[kind star]

yeah bad wording thats what I meant :3 french braaain

[obtuse moat]

I am a bit oldschool, gotta grow a fonder love with regrowth I guess

😄

[dense lantern]

Well, for the other spells as well tbh...

[grizzled seal]

Regrowth has been a staple for multiple expansions now

[fervent mica]

that was the breakdown from an 18 seat

[obtuse moat]

aha

[dense lantern]

anyways, no one died except for melee so gg go next

ns + convoke is not a thing anymore

[kind star]

I need to log all my keys pretty nice to look at casts to improve

[marsh prism]

muscle memorys a bitch

but yes just fyi no longer an interaction

very recently fixed

[obtuse moat]

I think I need to tinker my UI a bit to see abundance a bit better and way more regrowth, chill a bit with reju

[dense lantern]

barking the tank on vex is an interesting choice

(you shouldnt be doing it)

[kind star]

plus imo alot of ppl ended up saving their NS just to pair it with convoke losing tons of uses which is bad right

[thorn plover]

They share the same cd

[dense lantern]

you use mend

and then forget to press another spell before tranq

so you never extend the sotf hot

[kind star]

yeah but like lets say a new player not really sending their convoke every minute saving their ns I mean, I kinda did that back then losing tons of uses

[spark river]

this is not a thing

you re not playing flourish in keys

he should definitely use that sotf before tranqing tho

[dense lantern]

wtf i was sure he had it for some reason

[rotund geode]

on vorasisus mythic on add pop when do u tranqui, if i tranqui when it pops i have to move because of the zone, and if i wait the end the healing is done already

[dense lantern]

i am bald

[fervent mica]

i am <_<

[obtuse moat]

eternally grateful for all your feedback 🙏🏻

[dense lantern]

stuff like this is generally not gonna do anything

[silent ruin]

i always think rj as maintenace as set up and rg is the main source of heal when i need it

[thorn plover]

Quick tip, you don't need to move out of anything in vorasius. Just don't be in the tank circle

[fervent mica]

sotf + rej is generally enough maint

[thorn plover]

You can eat every ring

[spark river]

if you play 2tv rejuv can quite often heal a lot

[silent ruin]

rejuv does heal quite a lot

[dense lantern]

(also quite silly but thought i'd mention it)

[silent ruin]

it's 2nd on my heal

[spark river]

but even my key logs are way closer on rejuv and rg

[fervent mica]

thats not incap <_<

[silent ruin]

that's stampede

[thorn plover]

"expert" druid btw

[dense lantern]

[spark river]

lmao

[silent ruin]

Boo him

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[dense lantern]

am le tired

[silent ruin]

my macro name for that is meow

i do misclick it sometimes

[spark river]

alright

but your point is legit

what is he stampeding

on crawth

[fervent mica]

getting to balls? its not a terrible thing

[obtuse moat]

I think it was panic because I stood too much in a fire circle and had to jump out fast

[thorn plover]

Get the bubbles in faster

[obtuse moat]

also helpiong with a ball because dps wasnt moving

[silent ruin]

oh is crawth bird?

[obtuse moat]

but all in all I think my biggest problem is the excessive reju and turbo low amount of regrowth casts

I will definitely pay more attention to this

[fervent mica]

and sequencing, yeah

[spark river]

Id say its just questionable decision making

[fervent mica]

if you need tranq to heal a bunch, having a wg before it helps a lot

[marsh prism]

fuck it

lura rh

i miss this talent

[silent ruin]

i'm at the part of stacking stuffs for passive minmaxing

[kind star]

oh really thats kinda dumb xd

[marsh prism]

you can manhandle so much of voidspire

[fervent mica]

pretending mechanics don't exists is druid priv

[dense lantern]

I think stampeding is fine

Like, there's nothing to stampede but its fine if he does

[silent ruin]

we have mechanics to do?

[fervent mica]

like on paladins i just pretended the hammers didn't exist. cuz they didn't matter

[silent ruin]

i just use stampede on big pulls etc to save time

[kind star]

alright well ill keep that in mind and blast then

[silent ruin]

maybe it's time for me to get lb reminder mod

[marsh prism]

err

[fervent mica]

i was a hungry boy

[marsh prism]

ok. dont do that

[fervent mica]

was better than eating shields... and with my vision issues i had trouble dodging both. they never killed me 😄

[hollow wagon]

Ia this correct guys ok so aim is, WG before dmg, rejuv to 12 - spam regrowth till 6ish then rinse and repeat, throwing convoke and tranq close to on CD? and SM on CD

[rotund geode]

i tried and died

but thank you i guess

[sly rapids]

🙃

[indigo flume]

if i drop master shapeshifter do i take embrace of the dream or liveliness?

[fervent mica]

all depends on how you are with mana. embrace wants you casting a bunch of wg, which can be harder after dropping MS... sooo try it?

[indigo flume]

hmm alr

[frozen prairie]

Benching my rdruid. I think my char is bugged since patch. I am losing my mind i even got hella good gear in meantime.

[hushed sand]

Good morning, folks.
I have been on here a few times since the patch, but I haven't personally seen a ton of chatter, post patch, about rough nerf losses in raid content. My sample size is M Chim and M VS up to Sal. I feel like I'm down up to 20k HPS, but I could have just been having an off night.

[fervent mica]

pins

[grave quail]

there's a noticeable loss in power

[indigo flume]

every nerf/buff is pinned

[hushed sand]

Ok. Thanks. Saw the pin prior, but didn't realize there was a new one

[grave quail]

do yall remember genesis

[frozen prairie]

For me it's hella noticeable. But people say to me here that i am projecting

[grave quail]

nah its noticeable af

[rustic coyote]

I found myself consindering NS as mini cd for sotf + reg cleave to heal annoying mechanics or insta remove absorbs while healing the others

[grave quail]

it would make all ur rejuvs finish their healing in like 3s

I miss that

nice way to top the party or raid

[prime ridge]

Can someone tell me, why Icy Veins and WoWhead show different BIS trinkets if both have been written by Vaulk? I feel like listing Vaelgor trinket as BIS might be wrong, as it's also not listed as S Tier.

[frozen prairie]

He didn't update that on wowhead long time

[prime ridge]

It was both updated at the same day tho

[fervent mica]

use qe for anything involving gear.

[prime ridge]

or "last edited"

[grave quail]

I like vaelgor in m+ it's like a 90s cd pot with 12s duration

[fervent mica]

bis lists are nothing but a meme

[frozen prairie]

Idk i asked him because someone came here and asked same question but got no response

But yeah use QE for gear

[prime ridge]

even QE sometimes confuses me with the trinket choice, but guess I can trust it...?!

[gleaming spoke]

Hey all - Heroic raid. After evaluation of my logs (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6p4zHRyWCZthrL9b?fight=24&type=healing&source=9), I think my main issues are: 1. #Rejuv v Regrow, 2. Swiftmend Casts (Didnt realize I wasn't pushing this button, seems like Im always doing it), and 3. Lifebloom uptime (Despite having LifeBloomAlert screaming at me). Anything else you pick up?

[frozen prairie]

its slightly diff if you chose raid or dungeon

[prime ridge]

Yes I noticed. It suggests for dungeons e.g. vealgor and littany, even tho I also have ribbon and heart of wind

In Raid it shows ribbon + Keepsake. I would have assumed Ribbon + Vaelgor/Heart would be better

[fervent mica]

vaelgor doesn't line up with our cds too well... where it can basically be its own cd in m+

heart and keepsake are basically equal

assuming both hero track

[prime ridge]

Yea atm all are hero

[fervent mica]

if you look at the difference in equipping the other options you'll see when the numbers are super close... then its really just up to you

[prime ridge]

Yea Heart and Keepsake was like 0hps difference.

[fervent mica]

thats what it shows with keepsake + gaze equipped

so you know its just the same

heart is up more often for shorter duration, they just even out

[prime ridge]

Littany + Vaelgor confused me the most for dungeons....like, why not Heart or Ribbon

[fervent mica]

dungeons trinkets also factor damage in

and vaelgor gets extra value because it increases healing by so much in that window it can be a cd

[rustic coyote]

You also used innervate for regrowth spam, while you would use to ramp rejus wg before starting reg cycle. Plus you should SM yourself to extend the duration of hots and lb, was not always the case. More expert people could for sure add something more

[prime ridge]

Understand, thanks alot 🙂

[small wolf]

Guys a bit of a dumb qn, but why does my incarnation tree of lift sometimes look casrable in raid, but when I click it it can't be casted

Like it's off cooldown, but I can't use it hmm

[woven meadow]

Do you have it talented?

[small wolf]

Yes haha! Like I can't cast it at the start

Then when the 30s effect wears off, it still shows off cd

[rotund geode]

im new to healing in raid with rdruid and my logs arent good, anyone would like to take 5 min to help me read those logs and improve?

do not fight for it guys

everyone can help dw

[fleet ore]

Normally someone would post a link to the fight they want looked at alongside the request for help and people will happily give it a peek and give feedback 🙂

[rotund geode]

i was just helping a guil and theyre private log so im not at ease to post em directly here

[kind star]

https://wowanalyzer.com/ is helpful otherwise ig

[rotund geode]

okay yeah theres a lot of useufl info here

[kind star]

can just insert u log there and select his character and it should give some input from very basic rdruid stuff

[rotund geode]

yeah i just did that

very helpful thanks

[kind star]

also idk if hes using LB on himself or not

[rotund geode]

lifebloom?

[kind star]

yeah

[rotund geode]

im not using it on myself

should i

[kind star]

yes in raid always

we have talent that boost healing on ourselves, buffing our blooms healing

[fleet ore]

You always Lifebloom yourself, keep double rejuve on yourself, swiftmend yourself to extend the HoTs.

[rotund geode]

😮

[kind star]

what trample just said ye huge

[fleet ore]

More hots on yourself the more often it blooms.

[rotund geode]

ure saying most of the time i lb AND swiftmend on me?

[fleet ore]

Not most

ALWAYS

[rotund geode]

swiftmend

ALWAYS?

[kind star]

yeah always

[fleet ore]

And 2 rejuvs

[kind star]

you dont SM to heal ppl, use it to extend hots with VI on bloom target.

[rotund geode]

ok

[unreal minnow]

i feel like general guide might be good place to start

[fleet ore]

The talent Thoro is referring to is Forestwalking

[rotund geode]

ive read it

on wowhead

[fleet ore]

It should be up extremely often

[rotund geode]

but i dont remember it saying that

how do you guys choose between adding another rejuv on someone else on germinating on an existing person with rejuf

[fleet ore]

Triage

[rotund geode]

by triage u mean just rejuving the lowest target

[kind star]

and ALWAYS use SOTF on reju in raids.

correct me if im saying anything wrong, trying to help and it also helps me imprint it in my brain lol

[rotund geode]

wdym 'use' soft

its a passive talent isnt it

sorry guys im new lol

[unreal minnow]

looks like wowhead not updated

[kind star]

everytime u SM u get SOTF

[fleet ore]

B?y Triage I mean using your knowledge and the context to decide whoit is best on. If everyone is taking unavoidable raid dmg spread em. If one person is taking a heavy DoT while others aren't... donmt waste it on someone not taking dmg.

[azure jungle]

Use the Proc on rejuv

[fleet ore]

Every Swiftmend is followed by Rejuv. Only time you'd change it is an absolute emergency regrowth to save someone's life.

[rotund geode]

ah yeah that i was doing already

[rustic coyote]

just post a log where you think you did good or bad, it is easier to evaluate

[fleet ore]

^

[rotund geode]

according to our conversation i clarified many problems already so i think ill just wait for next raid and come back with a better log

the last question i have would be, whats your abundance target usually in raid

do you try to have it abvoe 10/12 at all time, is there moment where its fine to let it drop

[kind star]

might post mine from tonight tomorrow to make sure ive got all basis solids since we going into mythic starting next week.

[fleet ore]

Do whatever is most comfortable for you. 100%. But Teaching/Learning is a give and take relationship. The advice you get is only as good as the information you offer.

Also most of the questions you are asking are covered in the various guides available so we're kinda just regurgitating that info.

[rotund geode]

clearly im not doing that right

[fleet ore]

Stack Abundance to 12+ than spam regrowth til you are down to ~6.. as a general rule of thumb in a big damage event,.

[rotund geode]

i see

[gleaming spoke]

Gotcha. Question: If I innervate to rejuv spam for abundant regrowth use and bigger damage comes out or is unexpected during that time, do I stick to my guns and still rejuv or do I pop people up with regrowth?

[silent ruin]

isn't using sm with lifebloom up and casting soul of forest with regrowth for blooming frenzy a good chunk of heal

[fleet ore]

If you look at logs of stropng performances and put them into Wowanalyzer you ccan see their average abundance stacks.

[kind star]

yeah but for raid you are much better off spreading more reju

[fleet ore]

We are specifically discussing raid

[rotund geode]

here is our last mm chim try
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/az8bFKvtLgfCyNpj?type=healing&source=3&fight=26
and our vora kill
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/az8bFKvtLgfCyNpj?type=healing&source=3&fight=17
if u guys wanna dig for additionnal info

[kind star]

im sure there are times/situation where a sotf regrowth can be worth in raid I guess, but thats mostly useful in keys

[silent ruin]

Oh this is raid setting
then yeah

my raid is kinda sus cause not used to it

[fleet ore]

77 rejuvs to 27 regrowths is bad. You want about 1`:1

[kind star]

was my first heroic raid last week didnt do all too bad, all the info ive got from lurking here 😄

[rotund geode]

😮

1:1 rly

[fleet ore]

Yes

[rotund geode]

thats good

i was tired of spammin rejuv

[fleet ore]

Abundance makes regrowth basically free and crits.

[rotund geode]

xD

[kind star]

so im casting a tad too many rejuv as well ig thats crown h cpm

was really focused on SM on cd and keeping lb up

[fleet ore]

You spam rejuvs to 12 abundancestacks... remember every SM -> Rejuv gives 3 of em... then spam regrowth... then refresh some rejuvs... then spam regrowths

[rustic coyote]

In raid you almost never have "unexpected damage", unless people fail mechanics. But dropping some regrowth to save people is always a priority, and you won't probably use the whole innervate duration to cast only reju, just enugh to save mana and start cycling again

[fleet ore]

Thats the basic gameplay loop and how you keep from ooming

[kind star]

think otherwise u will mainly oom for using WG on cd kinda

[silent ruin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZcjdBRvC98fxNJFq
mine is like mainly wg is always off cd

idt i ever oomed in raid

always oom in m+ tho

but i'm new to wow and raid so i'm just kinda winging it

[fleet ore]

Wild Growth with no damage going out is a waste. Use it often... for sure... but not necessarily on CD

[silent ruin]

appreciate anyone that'll dig my logs and shit talk me for it

[rotund geode]

cant u just spam a few wrath to regen mana

[silent ruin]

well people usually always go down a bit in hp so i assumed wg up is always decent

[silent ruin]

didn't take the talent in m+

[kind star]

In raid tho

[fleet ore]

Spammoing wraths to regen mana is inefficient when you can just... not... and be fine by casting more free regrowths and not going OOm. Also if you want to use Master shapeshifter to gain mana cat is WAY better than wrath spam if the fight allows you to hop into melee, HotW in cat, rip.

[rustic coyote]

really not efficient and you lose too many gcd. Just Hotw and rip if you really need, but if you proper cycle reju - reg, it is really hard to oom

[unreal minnow]

you can kinda get a feel for how your mana looks when you're doing it right in raid, so your mana will track boss health %

[silent ruin]

also i know my lifebloom uptime is shit gotta work on that

[grizzled seal]

Some of rejuvs are fake

Open the drop-down, the germination ones are double counted

[kind star]

oh the germinations one

168 rejuv to 101 regrowth seems better

[grizzled seal]

Ye

[kind star]

good call!

[fleet ore]

When I was learning I got the addon HoTTracker. It has an option tha t turns yhour cursor into a Lifebloom icon when it hits the pandemic window to remind you. Plus if you are swiftmending yourself on CD to increase Lifebloom's duration it mostly takes care of itself.

[kind star]

lifebloom alert is the goated addon everyone uses pmuch 😛

[fleet ore]

WG is great right as, right after, dmg goes out. Just saying that if there is no dmg I just wouldn't spam it on CD. It's situation dependant obviiously.

[silent ruin]

i was thinking of getting lifebloom addon yeah

[silent ruin]

I usually try to stack up rejuv and everything else and start wg when there's random chip damage starting to happen happening

maybe i could be even more mindful and use it even better

[fleet ore]

Seems like a good plan. There was just a mention of WG on CD and I was responding specifically to that.

[whole horizon]

we pressed it on CD playing ToL because it gives CDR to ToL, maybe people are stuck in the habit of pressing it asap

[fleet ore]

Good point!

[silent ruin]

I just started a month ago
so i don't even know what u guys talking about

[fleet ore]

TLDR. We used to cast Wild Growth ON CD. Now we cast it often, but only when there is damage to heal with it.

Also, welcome to the community! Hope you're enjoying the class/spec.

[kind star]

I missed my druid so much was so tired of mop

[pastel dragon]

I was in an 18 MT on first boss, we wiped because tank pulled 2nd pack of small wryms about half way thru 1st boss but the timing was such that the wryms were dying when a knockback happened. I was blamed for it but im struggling to see how i couldve healed through that. I feel like it's kindao n the tank dps to time it so as not to overlap with a knockback

[gleaming spoke]

That one is always on the DPS. The incoming dmg is too much to keep up with, especially if they blow em all up at the same time, which is what ALWAYS happens in my groups.

[spark river]

That is a standard pull

Group should have been hotted and you convoke as they are dying

[clever cipher]

oh are we running stam enchant or max mana btw I haven't checked that shit since like DF

[idle lake]

no enchant

[pastel dragon]

yes, but the timing with the boss knockback made it feel impossible. granted it was a pug and i could have asked what the plan was before hand so i didnt have convoke for that part. perhaps if i'd been aware and prepared it mightve turned out different

[spark river]

Yes it was a nasty overlap but you could have saved it if you were prepared

You re going to get a lot of these random situations in pugs

[idle lake]

can someone look my recent logs and flag any bad practices before i push keys this week

[clever cipher]

no

[idle lake]

ive been spamming 10-12s to funnel gear to my friend

:(

whatever..

[pastel dragon]

i think that was sarcasm

[idle lake]

no.. everyone hates me... idc...

[silent ruin]

Ye, me like being busy
also by starting i mean starting wow
i blame my friend, it's a rabbit hole

[kind star]

I told myself I wouldnt buy this expansion at all as I bought TWW and played for a few weeks in s1 and that was it.,

Im addicted and having a blast so far, I also blame my friends.

[idle lake]

midnight is great just delete twitter

[marsh prism]

literally me

[idle lake]

uhmmm the horde doesnt exist 💔💔 blizzard deserves to go bankrupt 💔💔 this expansion is incredibly dogshit if you ignore the gameplay the world and the systems 💔💔 where is the horde

[fleet ore]

Dunno about great.... but yes, definitely delete Twitter.

[kind star]

whats the horde? Night elf supremacy!

[idle lake]

blood elf troll expansion and people are complaining that thrall didnt do anything at the sunwell

[oak garnet]

Doesn't a stun on the worms as they die prevent death explosion

[idle lake]

https://tenor.com/view/true-i-want-every-gun-we-have-to-fire-on-that-man-star-wars-morgan-freeman-gif-828904857762633044

[oak garnet]

Can time a sweep or aoe stun for the pack as they flop to stop 50% plus damage. Bm I plays with usually sweeps that

[idle lake]

cant believe we are in a season where bm means brew and not beast master

[kind star]

ive got 0 clue on what the lore is this expansion other than something something sunwell corrupted, cleansed it yay?

[fleet ore]

A lady with toes is very mad at us.

[idle lake]

close enough

cleansed it and made it not a super powerful font of infinite power for blood elf magic addicts

[silent ruin]

all i know about wow lore is from frozen throne

[kind star]

yeah kinda same or some of the tbc lore because illidan kewl and well wacraft games xd

[thorn plover]

This doesn't look like resto druid talk

Where am I

[idle lake]

sorry

uhmmm

its fucking over

reroll now

nerf too strong

[haughty ibex]

new gen ruined this game… smh…..

[idle lake]

dead spec

[idle lake]

[kind star]

I thought we we're shutting down all specs discord for druids except guardians after patch!

[idle lake]

we are working on it

[silent ruin]

this is resto druid talk
dead spec nothing to talk about

[idle lake]

holy true

[rustic copper]

Useless in m+ W

[idle lake]

i thought u liked m+

[rustic copper]

Not anymore

[idle lake]

oh

what changed

[rustic copper]

M+

[idle lake]

did it

[wicked spade]

Are they any must have addons for Resto Druids you guys would recommend for a new player?

[idle lake]

no

lots of ppl use a lifebloom tracker

[rustic copper]

Keys aren’t tight anymore and healers don’t do dmg anymore

[idle lake]

cant you just push higher ? true on the damage front though

[mortal fjord]

guys which flask I should use hate or mastery ? m+ only. unbuffed haste 32% and mastery 35%

[idle lake]

haste

[mortal fjord]

hm

[kind star]

always haste! haste toooo infinite

[mortal fjord]

roger 🙂

[bold cloak]

Hey guys, would someone be able to lend their thoughts on what I could be doing better from a healing perspective. I have been hard stuck on 18 progs and I like to look inward before anything. Am I the problem? Here are the logs from a few dungeons I tried.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xCdg6Z8HQVKXP1yq

[rustic copper]

No the issue is mobs don’t have enough hp

When I enjoyed m+ I had keys with my team where we executed our route properly, had no major mistakes, 0 deaths and depleted

That doesn’t exist anymore

[frosty canyon]

weird QE live has me taking mastery flask lol

[main timber]

In M+ that is often correct

It will never recommend that in raid really

[frosty canyon]

Oh I never realized that distinction, guess I had it on dungeon this entire time 😵‍💫

[kind star]

this weekend gonna try pugging chim M for a chance at gaze to replace my radiant sunstone 🙏

[grave quail]

what's the concensus on int pot over secondary stats pot?

[frosty canyon]

I got my MGaze on my first Mchim reroll on a pug kill, used up my luck for the rest of the expansion

reckless pot is the go-to

[kind star]

so lame our alch or however it works doesnt have it unlocked on cauldron -.-

[haughty ibex]

qe live tells u btw

if u put m+ option

[winter sorrel]

Hello, since Wednesday's patch I can no longer maintain healing in Mythic+ 12. Are there any known bugs or is everything normal?

[haughty ibex]

wdyem

[kind star]

I havent really felt the difference that much tbh but I also gained tons of ilvl with vault

[rustic copper]

Reck is better

[grave quail]

I thought so too

[winter sorrel]

@haughty ibex I feel a significant decline in care

[haughty ibex]

no i care

[shrewd jay]

Lucky you.
Planing to gem my belt.
This is how bad it went.

[idle lake]

W lie

[haughty ibex]

don’t give up u are loved…

[silent ruin]

no me

[idle lake]

there is evil within you

[kind star]

actual vault wasnt too great but I was sitting on 160 myth crest for crafts, only replace my hero tier helm to a myth one, but went 259 wep and belt to 285

good vaults never existed really for me

[silent ruin]

i think healing dropped a tiny bit but i just gotta prep a bit better and it's usually still managavle

[frosty canyon]

ultimately will we have a higher mastery percentage than haste?

[haughty ibex]

no me

[bold cloak]

Hey guys, just looking for some input from some of the pros here. Could someone provide some coaching on what I might be doing wrong?

[whole horizon]

almost every death in this log is preceeded by you attempting to cast some damage spells/refresh DoTs instead of putting out more HoTs or preparing for the incoming damage

you have a serious case of overextending/trying to do more than you are actually capable of

[bold cloak]

Noted

So try and DPS less and focus more on healing?

[whole horizon]

yes, at least until you learn all of the damage patterns and know when you can DPS around them and when you need to spend more time in advance to prepare for the upcoming mechanic

[kind star]

Knowing the packs and damage patterns goes a long way

[whole horizon]

like your Hunter dying to Vicious Ambush, that damage is anticipated

but instead of having a Regrowth ready, you were casting Starfire?

[bold cloak]

Not deflecting Bootsy, I know when the damage is coming because I know how to prepare, you are absolutely correct though that lately, I have been testing to see if I can react rather than blanket 3-5 seconds before anything comes out, then go into healing

[bold cloak]

Gotcha

[kind star]

How do you guys keep track of all the cast goes on who tho on big pulls

Im manually targeting mobs to figure it out just feels scuffed abit

[whole horizon]

yeah we're a little more flexible with burst healing because of Apex, but in general Resto Druid has never played this way

[pure zinc]

Has anyone else had issues since the changes?
Things that are (factual and reproducablly) happening to me are:

Lifebloom bugging and becoming unrefreshed when cast again over existing lifebloom.
Swiftmend 8 second extension only extending lifebloom by 3 seconds.
idk why but wild growth is instant casting.

I dont play a ton of rdruid but i usually oj and purple parse in heroic. lately only been blue parsing since the changes.

[whole horizon]

you have to anticipate and prepare for damage with HoTs or you'd be better off playing HPala if you want to just be purely reactive

and even then, reacting with Regrowth is still being reactive

[bold cloak]

So if there was 1 major thing you would ask me to change, it is to focus on healing more?

[whole horizon]

if you weren't mid-Starfire cast when your Hunter died you could have saved him

[bold cloak]

Is the healing rotation wrong?

or is there any game sense in how I am healing?

[whole horizon]

you probably need to leverage SM more

even in a key, 1.6 CPM is very very low

[bold cloak]

Could you elaborate on leverage SM more? Cast it more often?

[kind star]

more sm = more sotf proc = more rejuv/big cleave regrowths and apex bloom

[bold cloak]

noted

Anything else that stands out?

[bold cloak]

Noted. Anything else that is a GLARING issue or needs immediate correction?

[whole horizon]

just timing your abilities

this was your cast rotation leading up to your Hunter dying to Mana Bombs in your 17 AA

[kind star]

Im only doing 12-14 but knowing packs and planning abit ahead has been HUGE improvements.

[bold cloak]

go on

Should be regworth spamming there?

Would it have been beneficial to roll LB on him instead of myself?

[whole horizon]

Wild Growth was about 6s too early to do anything

[bold cloak]

gotcha

[icy delta]

trying out the moonkin version of the build. In aoe situations do you spam moonfire and sunfire on every target and after that starfire?

[whole horizon]

should be cast closer to when damage is being taken

[bold cloak]

hold WG for when the event is about to just go off?

gotcha

[whole horizon]

yes. you had the right idea, SM into Regrowth, but you were too slow.

i genuinely think if you weren't focused on pressing damage spells you would have timed it much better

[gleaming spoke]

Starfire only in AoE. Sunfire only if you're moving and have nothing else to cast.

[bold cloak]

Gotcha

[kind star]

you guys sometime hold SOTF a few second if a damage window incoming right? been mostly sending on cd to spread rejuv and rarely cleaving regrowth on big group damage.

[thorn plover]

#resto message

[gleaming spoke]

Nothin else.

[bold cloak]

I have been thinking that I have been damaging too much, but then I feel like I am standing around when everyone is covered.

[gleaming spoke]

DPS while they're covered but as the cover gets close to coming off, you have to reblanket. Otherwise you get left with them uncovered.

If you wait to recover until the cover starts coming off, you've lost uptime.

[bold cloak]

When is that window usualy? 3-5 left on LB/rejuv/regminate?

**germinate?

Is it a good rule of thumb have at least 1 HOT rolling at all times on all bars?

[gleaming spoke]

Aye. We call the final 20% (i think its 20, right?) the pandemic window. You want to refresh during that so the duration is extended instead of replaced.

[restive kettle]

I wouldn't send a SOTF just before a major damage event unless there isn't much rejuv coverage. Doing a WG to hold and prep for the damage is ideal

[whole horizon]

30% of the base duration iirc

[gleaming spoke]

Thx bootsy

[bold cloak]

And who is the LB priority? Today, my thinking leads me to: when tank does Lust 1st pull in 90% of the dungeons, I roll LB on him. As the pull tapers off and llust dies, I move it to the top squishy in the group which iis usually a clothie or an Aug

[round hull]

Is it me or does it seem like the meta has shifted to drop AUG from groups and pick up Rsham instead?

[kind star]

alright so at times its a good idea to hold then, thanks :3

[round hull]

IDK what they did to AUG but it seems like packs are taking forever to die whenever they are in group with me

talking in 20+ keys

[gleaming spoke]

Im sure there's varying opinions on it, but I like LB on myself so I can also choose where my efflorescence lives. With the splash healing from bloom target doesn't matter as much.

[bold cloak]

gotcha as long as you postion well and ensure that you are around some bodies?

[gleaming spoke]

Yup. If it's a melee heavy group, I may put it on the tank. If it's caster heavy, it's def. on me.

[whole horizon]

you have multiple healing amps that make you a really good LB target for your Apex cleave during AoE damage

[gleaming spoke]

^

[whole horizon]

a lot of rdruids won't put it on anyone but themselves or the tank

[bold cloak]

So to summarize, I should:

• DPS less, heal more.
• prepare better
• not send WG 5 seconds before the event but closer
• Dont be a dumbass and dps when the hunter is about to get shit on

[whole horizon]

but it depends on your group and how your DPS press their defensives

yeah timing is everything. making sure your WG is out ~1s before damage hits. making sure your Regrowth is hitting somebody 0.1s after they take damage so they don't get killed by the followup tick or they're accidentally standing in something

[kind star]

Im still mostly locking LB on tank(in keys ofc) gonna be next on my list of things to optimize.

[lucid token]

Is the goal to have 2 rejuv on all 5 a
Majority of the time?

[woven meadow]

Nah you would be oom

[gleaming spoke]

I find I keep 6 out often. Double on the LB target.

Never have needed to drink in mythics

[kind star]

I just sip here and there but never really go under 60% with liveliness

[pliant notch]

is there a way to heal 1st pull academy every time i try to do it we just wipe over and over

[quiet wyvern]

try harder

[pliant notch]

my tanks just die

[quiet wyvern]

hope that helps

[tidal sigil]

Honestly first pull on AA is down to tank and dps to do their job

Either have evoker remove the dot or nuke one of them down fast

[whole horizon]

it's unhealable if your tank takes too many stacks of the bleed. they have to kite to drop stacks, and the mobs need to die faster.

[eager quarry]

cast more healing spells

[pliant notch]

i mean the pull lasts 10sec

[harsh quail]

I know its been a few minutes, but that does sound an awful lot like you are standing in silvermoon with wpvp on?

[pliant notch]

dies through bark and wall as a brew

[kind star]

I always struggle to pre-heal my tank like put hots before that big pull

[whole horizon]

nah that's not how that pull goes

[pliant notch]

imma try it agai nwith another grp but im 0-5 with 1st pull

[whole horizon]

it takes longer to kill the entire room on higher keys, so your tank needs to be prepared to kite the bleed off if the lashers aren't dead.

if they're dying 10 seconds into the pull its a tank issue or you're just not healing them

[pliant notch]

i mean i get that but hes not even dying to bleeds he dying to melees and vile bites

[whole horizon]

it doesn't require any special gameplay. put LB and rejuv on the tank, have ironbark ready for when they have no big CD, and spam regrowth into them.

if they're dying through that then they need to get better

most of the responsibility in that pull isn't on you

[ashen basalt]

is it possible to create a macro for spell queueing RG -> SM to always get the RG cleave? It's very useful in some scenarios but I cant do it consistently

[kind star]

should I just hold bark and not lb/reju bark them pre-pull into stleath for first pull AA

[whole horizon]

my brew never asked for bark pre-pull, they always wanted it for when fort brew dropped and they needed to start kiting

[thorn plover]

What's your spell queue window set to? I can make it happen literally every time. Sometimes when I don't want it to even

[kind star]

ill be more vocal, its tricky as I mostly pug tanks.

so my go-to is always pre-bark on pulls but then they pop something D:

[ashen basalt]

havent changed it off the default of 400ms, is it better to raise or lower it?

[dapper minnow]

unless you have meld I wouldn't prehot pug tanks.

[thorn plover]

I give them 2 rejuvs, lifebloom, and extend with VI, then I go stealth til they group them up

Then I use my sotf proc

And normal heal

[whole horizon]

if they don't specifically ask, my bark is saved for when i know their wall is on CD

[thorn plover]

Ping + 100ms works well, how I've always ran it. But I think most just leave at 400

[kind star]

imagine not having meld!

[bold cloak]

@whole horizon - If I may ask one more question. The beam boss in NPX. what is a generic sequence you use to clear the absorb when he does his "power output is peaking" main ability?

[kind star]

but yeah last time I got aggro and died haha

[thorn plover]

Go stealth

[kind star]

oh I did then tank went half with half pulled

sm into ns regrowth into deadge xd

but they lived the pack without me after lmao

[thorn plover]

Trust your hots

[kind star]

yeah I tend to go too hard early and pull aggro often its annoying, thank god for meld tho

[ashen basalt]

thanks let me try that, i get it like 80% of the time but maybe im just not timing it right

[glossy holly]

i guess resto is really not big fan of 2 embellish arcanoweaves?

bis profile seems to not include them

[main timber]

It does wear double arcanoweave, I am not sure what bis profile you mean

[glossy holly]

icy veins

maybe i should have formed my word as bis list

not profile

[mint gate]

icyveins instead of Archon

[main timber]

Huh, Archon is fucking useless and Icy Veins is good

[main timber]

Crafts aren't in BiS list because early crafts and late crafts differ

So you drop down to the crafting section for that

Otherwise you get a bunch of randoms bricking their first craft because "It was on the bis list"

[glossy holly]

i see

[main timber]

This tier you would craft a weapon with Hunt early, but then transition to double Arcanoweave mid-season once you get a 289 wep

[harsh quail]

its interesting that the wowhead list has this craft disclaimer right above the list but icy doesnt

[coarse forge]

Halpppp! Why don’t hot icons appear on my blizz raid frames anymore?

[main timber]

Yeah I will see if I can add it to IV. That text above is just templated

[whole horizon]

convoke the 1st and 3rd, SM+NS+Regrowth and spam Regrowth for the 2nd and 4th, use bark on a dps there if you need to

[bold cloak]

ok

[pure zinc]

the wg thing was 100% early spring. i changed the talent and it stopped instant casting. as far as the lifebloom interactions any ideas?

[bold cloak]

very similar to what I do and then I get beamed on and die, then go cry in the shower so no one can see the tears

[lucid token]

verdant infusion vs prosperity for newbie druids in m10?

[rigid crystal]

can you help me understand why double arcanoweave is better when the embeleshment you have in QE shows hunt being better. Is it just the max ilevel loss in weap is that bad?

[main timber]

Yep that's why

Arcanoweave can be stashed on a low budget slot. Hunt is forced on weapon or offhand

[torpid violet]

I see VI at 100% in high keys, but tbh i dont know why? unless youre gcd or mana constrained feels like properity should be better

[pliant notch]

yah i guess im just the worst thats 3 bricks of acad in sub 30mins

2 to 1st pull 1 to bird boss

is brewmaster not good anymore after nerfs

[whole horizon]

brewmaster is still the most invincible tank in the pool

[rustic copper]

Arcanoweave can be slotted on items where haste mastery does not exist too

[main timber]

Yeah, it also simplifies weapon upgrades since it means you dno't need to swap to crafted OH + reg MH

[pliant notch]

they just get 1taped byh melees every time it seems like

[whole horizon]

do they die before they press fort brew?

[pliant notch]

after usually idk minicc gets kinda bugged on ally cds

sometimes it shows good other times not so much

[harsh quail]

I think the only time I saw something akin to a one-tap on a monk is the goddamn weapons in aa when they are melee-synced

[pliant notch]

3 bites into melee

[whole horizon]

do you have a log?

[pliant notch]

no but they had every hot besides wildgrowth

i didnt bark him tho he was fine til then

[sudden rover]

damn guardian druid is busted holy moly

damage is insane

[pliant notch]

thinking of just giving up on the rdruid dream

[harsh quail]

its 43sec after pull that he died, chances are he didnt have any cds anymore

[whole horizon]

it's really hard to say what's happening without a log. if 5 different tanks have died in consecutive pulls in the same spot it's sounding more like a you issue.

[pliant notch]

all i got is a vod i guess if i enable but ya not a log

i guess i could just try to stand and spam regrowth the entire pull

and hope he doesnt die

[sudden rover]

link it

also why are you not logging 24 7

it's auto with archon

[pliant notch]

idk i tried to log in slands and it just kept crashing

[glossy holly]

well that was slands

u could crash at ghost road

[kind star]

so I just gotta get the archon app and enable logging in game to log my keys?

[sudden rover]

get raiderio addon and on the ingame menu you activate auto logging, all the way down. then you live log on archon and gg

u literally dont have anything to do

[silent ruin]

my tank pulls mana bomb and double seer in npx and my dps doesn't do enough damage to 2 cycle it
send help

[silent ruin]

u press eh..
/combatlog

[kind star]

oh sweet havent logged since erhm classic release with wow companion or something idr

[silent ruin]

them upload it when u're done or if u feel like it

[kind star]

and its kinda annoying not being able to look thru my logs for improvements while at work

[sudden rover]

nah forget /combatlog this shit is over, dont even need that

[silent ruin]

U don't?

[glossy holly]

oh noes

u've been missing out

[silent ruin]

That's what my friend taught me on how to log

[whole horizon]

some people advise against using archon or WCL because of privacy concerns, but it's the only way to automatically log at the moment

[sudden rover]

lemme log ingame real quick

[silent ruin]

I have archon but like i still have to manually log it

[whole horizon]

the RIO addon, and several others, essentially just automatically type /combatlog for you when you enter an instance

[glossy holly]

privacy concerns eh

[thorn plover]

MRT can turn on combat logging automatically too

[sudden rover]

turn this on

[kind star]

well thanks will do, completely forgot about RIO addon x)

[sudden rover]

then live log on archon, gg

[silent ruin]

oh just have to toggle setting

very good

[glossy holly]

playing WoW itself is already a privacy concern when they made a policy more than 10 years ago that they can be privy to reading our messages ingame

[whole horizon]

well, this is a little bit more than that

[silent ruin]

system info reading or smth

[sudden rover]

privacy doesnt exist, get over it. your iphone literally listens to 100% of the words u say and sell that data instantly

[silent ruin]

like vanguard with root access?

Jokes on u i use a nokia 3310

[glossy holly]

damn

[oak garnet]

How many stacks were on tank? Did you have an aug for caut or stone form?

And what was key level again

[pliant notch]

15s

but um the grp we got to 2nd boss

they did caut and dwarf and we did 1st pull fine

but wiped at 1% on bird boss

[sudden rover]

we cant help u without a log or a video

we are blind here

[silent ruin]

sometimes i wonder if it's my fault that i wipe or dps not popping defensive for a big pull

[oak garnet]

I mean if your tank had like 9 stacks it's a tank issue

[sudden rover]

ye never more than 5-6

[oak garnet]

If he kited cauted or sf and kept it below 5 it's a you issue

[glossy holly]

sometimes its defensives, sometimes its dps error.

[kind star]

hyped for raid really do hope we actually clear march and go do mythic

[glossy holly]

u can only check out ur own performance anyways

[oak garnet]

You usually have a second convoke and barn late to keep tank stable towards the mid to end of pull before the first lasher dies

Once a lasher drops usually it's chill

[haughty ibex]

convoke doesn’t do much for the tank or am i trolling

like that’s legit a tank pull, and dwarf/aug is kind of needed in higher keys

[oak garnet]

Not a ton but it's an hps spike and he has regrowth on him so if you sm him and convoke he gets rg crits for decent spike healing

[haughty ibex]

keep an eye on the stacks so u ready to bark/start spamming rg on him and chillax

[haughty ibex]

ye fairs, i always convoke in meowform but never had that big issues

[oak garnet]

It's mostly the delayed bark and keeping eye on tank stacks.I also soother the plants

Soothe them at like 7+ stacks, not sure if worth

[haughty ibex]

they legit do nothing ngl

[oak garnet]

So that's trolling a global

[haughty ibex]

like the jumps hurts a little but is on dps, one rg and they fine

in my 19 but idk maybe higher keys is worth

[oak garnet]

It's the skitterflys and it's 15% more damage per stack looks like

[silent ruin]

last time my tank got one tapped from the dots

cause he had like 20 on him

[pliant notch]

@sudden rover sent a fr so i could dm u of the clip

[silent ruin]

not sure if i should've just vortex+typhoon him

[pliant notch]

rq

[oak garnet]

Yeah managing stacks is most important and hopefully dps are good. Can easily pull 600k-1mil dps on that pull with a good tank gather and lust

[silent ruin]

where my resto druid coach smh

[sudden rover]

ok but I can't talk by DM, I will answer here if you don't mind

[oak garnet]

And yeah guardian druids playing the arcane / no apex/ elune build crank on aoe

[lucid token]

So at mythic 10 I should start leaving to dps weave?

[glossy holly]

not necessarily

its all about being comfortable enough to keep party alive with ease and then u may think about contributing with dps

if u are pugging, trying to dps may just bring some unnecessary deaths.....mostly because pugs can take more dmg than they are supposed to

[grave quail]

No tranq ?

[pliant notch]

oh ok

[lucid token]

True

[sudden rover]

yeah u were a bit greedy/slow. You decided to do damage GCD but your monk is dying, this gcd should have been ironbark

then conoke or tranq

[pliant notch]

ya

i chose a bad time to do it

[sudden rover]

it's literally a 1 gcd mistake

[kind star]

swear in all my pugs dps always use their defensives when they drop down to 20% rofl

[sudden rover]

otherwise u played good

[pliant notch]

he walled as he walked in

[whole horizon]

sure, send it

[sudden rover]

nah but your tank missplayed too, but you could have saved him

[pliant notch]

im back into another acad tho

[sudden rover]

I'm watching

[kind star]

btw yall are the goats so helpful 😄

[sudden rover]

well played @pliant notch perfect one

[muted field]

Is ilvl 275 high enough to push 13+? I tried at 268 and didn't go well

[sudden rover]

yes it is

[grand herald]

yeah

i was doing 12's at like 250 at start of season

[kind star]

I mean I did 12 easily at 259 so definitely

just depends how confortable/good you are at the spec and ur dungeon knowledge/knowing packs

[silent ruin]

my general introspection is i suck at the game and i suck at my class

[glossy holly]

just dont have a party with some random 220 ilvl dps

it was interesting experience

[muted field]

Maybe I had such a hard time because of dps? They weren't using defensives or kicks or ccs it was dreadful

[kind star]

thats why now I always try to queue with one guildy to assure ill have a good dps

[grand herald]

defensives and stuff arent gonna matter at 12s

you can heal through it

[kind star]

when packs feels like they last forever is so horrible 🙁

[silent ruin]

if ur dps isn't kicking and u get like one shot more than once

just leave the dungeon

[kind star]

I miss skull bash xd

often have dps with like 4-5 interrupts in the whole run rofl

[silent ruin]

i got nullifyed 3x and i'm like so done with the dungeon

[kind star]

especially in algethar before vexamus

if no stop/interrupts on the surges x)

[glossy holly]

its definitely dumb to have missing interrupt

[kind star]

dont most spec get something out of kicking

I only play devo dh as alt atm so idk about other specs

[silent ruin]

not really?

[glossy holly]

majority doesnt really get a benefit