resto

[vivid owl]

Wait i just tested it after i pressed rejuv, and it didnt do it again

[urban kestrel]

I figured id level paladin and shaman eventually to have all healers too

[grand herald]

What aspect isnt working?

[viscid zenith]

Petition to ban jdot. Mw is illegal

[waxen ruin]

very new to resto. - if i use switftmend and then regrowth. If i have aload of abundance from rejuvs. will the swiftmended regrowth spread as empowered?

[snow umbra]

Any way to track Spatial on me?

[vivid owl]

ignore me, im actually having a brain fart

[mystic crater]

Oopsies

[proven phoenix]

same

[idle lake]

can someone explain this

i dont get it

[urban kestrel]

the site thinks taking the hat is 160 hps better than taking heart of wind

[idle lake]

i guess

yeah

i just dont understand why it doesnt want heart of wind replacing emerald whistle or locus walker wraps

i thought that trinket was insane

is it bc my haste is already high

[urban kestrel]

locus walkers drops off a lot, especially if pugging dungeons

it's insane in raid

you can use the insert log feature on the top right if you want, it'll help for things like mastery value and combat downtime

and link one of your higher key logs

[main timber]

Or you can turn off ally buffs

[idle lake]

[urban kestrel]

oh, does coach whistle weight the other guy's buff? I didnt even know that

[main timber]

Yeah but it's optional

[proven phoenix]

buffing your dps is more important than anything else

remember that.

[tough portal]

Because you cant take 2 items mate

[idle lake]

i know that much

[main timber]

Heart of wind is on budget stat stick

It's not an insane s tier trinket. Just good

[half star]

Please don’t talk about my trinkets that way

[proven phoenix]

my trinkets are just so cooked

I need a ribbon BAD

[idle lake]

what does inserting a log do for the sim?

[proven phoenix]

my fuckass guild tells me to die any time I talk about alleria reclear

[wary belfry]

We recleared alleria

[proven phoenix]

we are killing lura tonight so reclear is a bit unlikely

[wary belfry]

I was told to end my life when I wanted heroic lura though

[proven phoenix]

sad

I've killed both vorasius and dragons every single week and I still dont have mythic hands either

this game wants me to suffer

[drifting timber]

Same we aren’t even AOTC but 5/9 M

[proven phoenix]

heroic lura is a colossal waste of time

boss drops 0 good items

[wary belfry]

I need the ring so the whole raid should deal with that

[thorn plover]

Me with suffuser and delve trinket

[proven phoenix]

I'll bonus roll lura just for aura

see what I get

maybe I one shot the ring on mythic

[wary belfry]

I have the normal version

It dropped as warbound

Better than hero rings

[proven phoenix]

I havent seen alleria neck at all and I've had 4? vaults since our alleria kill

game just sucks is the gist of it

[half star]

I got mythic Heart at least

Heroic heart is just embarrassing

I traded heroic Ribbon to Voulk cuz I’m a good wife

[proven phoenix]

I had a mythic heart in my vault a few weeks back but took something else instead

I dont even remember what I took

[wary belfry]

It was helmet

[half star]

I took it over a mythic helm cuz my heroic helm had socket

And since then I got 10 mythic helms in my vault so it was correct

[proven phoenix]

maybe this is just a conspiracy theory but I feel like I get repeated items very often

I've seen the salhadaar neck and chimaerus belt almost every single vault

I cant remember the last time my vault didnt have one of those

[half star]

Pretty sure I’ve seen helm and belt in every vault but it’s just conspiracy / paranoia

[proven phoenix]

im insanely starved on crests now though with this bonus roll system

taking an m+ slot from vault feels so bad

[bright swift]

Simp

[proven phoenix]

[half star]

I’m the biggest simp for real tho

[proven phoenix]

I can bonus roll nexus point for mythic hands but whats the point even

no crests to upgrade anything

[half star]

I finally got the dragons cloak and was so excited more excited than I should be for a cloak

Crazy what haste mastery does to a girl

[proven phoenix]

I got that off our first kill

didnt even know dragons had a giga cloak

and then it dropped

[half star]

COOL STORY LIL P

[proven phoenix]

lmfao

[half star]

HOW NICE FOR YOU

[proven phoenix]

my guild also gave me mythic boe legs first week of mythic for some reason

that was nice

well they were bop back then

[half star]

They probably felt bad because well look at you

[proven phoenix]

dude??

IM STRONG

refer to the pfp

[half star]

Looking very ferocious

[proven phoenix]

yes...

[dense current]

For M paladins, how much attention do you normally give to the heal absorb soakers?

[half star]

You should be one, and a lot

[dense current]

Just some hots and let others dump heal on them, or hots and regrowth spam?

[half star]

Ramp rejuv on them, lifebloom should already be on self, and regrowth them all - make sure you are one of the soakers you do insane self healing

[proven phoenix]

spam

you want to go hard on them

when absorbs are out your only priority is clearing them as fast as you can

you never heal yourself because of how much self healing you have and you dont want to heal other healers

always focus the dps then other healers then yourself

[dense current]

ty

[rustic copper]

I was doing more than the rest of the healers combined

[dense current]

i was a close second, i think our h pal was dumping into them pretty hard. i can probably do more but i made the mistake of shuffling lifebloom around

[snow umbra]

No way to track Spatial Paradox I take it?

[drifting timber]

Wha if you’re not?

[mystic crater]

Then it’s very weirdge

[half star]

Move closer to the puddle and don’t tell anyone

[mystic crater]

You are a great target for it

[silver zenith]

are there any items resto can get crafted?

that is optimal

[half star]

Pins has a good craft write up

#resto message

[urban kestrel]

also optimal can also be defined by how much you're willing to spend on boes

since like full optimal would be tert boes on pants/feet then you swap embellish to like wep/bracers/simp ring

and then bracers commits a vault for socket.

if your embellish is there

[rustic copper]

Not wearing leech haste mastery boots?

[drifting timber]

What are the best candidates to do the healing absorb on the fight?

[smoky sail]

What boss lol

[drifting timber]

M paladins

[smoky sail]

Just have resto druids pump them

[rustic copper]

Devourer dh, mw, resto Druid should be eating the absorbs

Resto is the best and it’s not close

We do a lot of self healing for free

If you aren’t already taking the absorbs fix it

[edgy grove]

im learning to druid heal. tell me what is wrong and what should be higher.

[gaunt willow]

Everbloom is missing

[edgy grove]

was right under that

[gaunt willow]

Should be your main heal

It’s usually top or second in healing

Are you pressing swiftmend on cooldown?

[grand herald]

A details recap is not good for diagnosing your play

Do you have a log?

[edgy grove]

idk how to log

so no

[grand herald]

Go learn

Its pretty simple

[vivid peak]

someone most likely logged in your raid

[edgy grove]

im trying to cast swiftmend on CD but alot of times it wont let me cast it its grey out

like this

[grand herald]

Swiftmend requires a hot on your target

Specifically rg rj or wg

[snow dome]

Ideally have 2 rejuvs on your lifebloom target and try to swiftmend them. Also make sure you have lifebloom active 100% of the time. Get a tracker addon to help if you don’t already have one

[clear moat]

its 4th now... amazing nerfs

[gaunt willow]

Oh dear 🙁

[reef zenith]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NmJTpQbM2Wcnvr4h?fight=13&type=healing&graphperf=1&source=10 this is me from tonight, so post nerf...Vorasius and Averzian Everbloom was still my top heal. It was 3rd on Chimaerus and Salad

[proven phoenix]

should I drop 4p for lura helm

what does qe live say

[thorn plover]

you should drop 4pc for haste mast shoulders

QE values 4pc at like 3% or more

[uncut mica]

when you cast swiftmend on yourself in raid, should you always have lb, 2 rejuvs and a regrowth hot on you, for maximum healing?

[somber citrus]

Question - If I drop my log here from a Mythic Vaelgor fight last night, would someone be willing to take pity on me and let me know how I'm screwing up? My parse is crapping out at mid 40's on multiple fights, and I don't know why.

[thorn plover]

yes

[vivid peak]

you dont have to worry about rg on you before swiftmend

[cerulean stratus]

sure

[somber citrus]

Here's my log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pV1KndBqzMrFk6cW?fight=21&type=healing&source=72

I can parse 99s in heroics all day long, but Mythic is a new beast and I need to up my skill level

[cerulean stratus]

oh

vaelgor is kinda bad example

[somber citrus]

I can link a different example

[clear moat]

what stat % do you aim for endgame (284+)

[cerulean stratus]

cause if you look at

the rsham

his top healed is the tank

[clear moat]

35% haste 30% mastery okay?

[grand herald]

You don't look for any set %

[thorn plover]

3cpm of damage spells and 2 mana pots doesnt help

[grand herald]

You can test stuff to figure out minutae with the gear you have in qelive

[spark river]

regrowth more, swiftmend more

dont mana pot

[somber citrus]

My mana regen has been TRASH. Without that (using Master Shapeshifter) I"m OOM so fast

[thorn plover]

^

[thorn plover]

push more regrowth

[spark river]

more regrowth

less wg

[vivid peak]

swiftmend yourself with 2x rejuvs+lb

[grand herald]

Abundance is stronk

[vivid peak]

that helps with mana

[grand herald]

Cast RG, get mana

[somber citrus]

I've been WG'ing on CD - obviously a bad idea then?

With Abundance i've been aiming for 10-12 rejuvs, is 8-10 safer?

[grand herald]

You can drop to 6 even

[thorn plover]

you WG as much as your mana allows you

[grand herald]

But rn you are casting about 40% less RGs than you should be

[edgy grove]

ok was able to cast it on CD this time. slightly better maybe?

[grand herald]

Logs

[edgy grove]

i

dont

know

how

[grand herald]

Google it

You arent helpless

And you have the internet

[thorn plover]

my regrowth to rejuv ratio on vaelgor is almost 2:1, with 4wg cpm

[wary belfry]

alternatively dont learn

[somber citrus]

Interesting.. Very good to know information

[edgy grove]

been healing a total of like 7 keys now

[wary belfry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO8dvi7TflE

[edgy grove]

what a helpful community

[thorn plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341

[vivid peak]

what is your character name, i'll check if someone logged for you?

[ember pond]

1 guys isnt the community

[grand herald]

Logging doesnt require any previous experience

Just a google search

[viral pelican]

In raid and M+ should I use power of the archdruid buff more on regrowth or rejuv?

[somber citrus]

I'll focus harder on Regrowths moving forward, and drop mana pots.

[cerulean stratus]

no dont drop mana pots

[grand herald]

Do drop mana pots

[edgy grove]

puzzleddruid

[thorn plover]

i dont run MS, and i dont carry mana pots. i can go 8 minutes without mana issues

[cerulean stratus]

thats such a bad advice what

[ember pond]

some peopel cant help themselves and have to be edgy

[grand herald]

Mana pots arent good

[grand herald]

Lol, its edgy to ask for basic info to help someone?

[vivid peak]

are you talking about m+ healing?

[thorn plover]

why would you ever opt to use a mana pot

[edgy grove]

thank you. ill look this up

[ember pond]

you asked him for something?

[somber citrus]

That's insane... Regrowths are really that good? Damn

[rustic copper]

yes drop mana pots

[clear moat]

2 mana pots = source of magic 😄

[rustic copper]

good one buddy

[grand herald]

To log

[rustic copper]

source of magic is tiny compared to a mana pot

[thorn plover]

regrowth is cheap.

[clear moat]

or was it one only, idk..

[rustic copper]

source might as well just be 3% dmg and healing

[wary belfry]

i do see 2 logs from today on ur wcl page

[clear moat]

idk i feel when i have source on me

[wary belfry]

skyreach and algethar

[rustic copper]

check the log

I think it was 2 wg worth of mana for me on mythic lura which is the longest fight in the game

[clear moat]

might just be placebo 😄

i mean if you manage your mana good (which i dont) you dont need mana pots or source

even without MS

[grand herald]

Even if you manage mana poorly

Reckless pot is more healing

Than a mana pot

[cerulean stratus]

its fine ppl gonna have 200 regrowths and still go oom

but at least they'll pres int pot

[cerulean stratus]

it might match a mana pot on 5 min

but 2 mana pots is not really accurate

[clear moat]

ye ye its 1 not 2

[vivid peak]

@edgy grove you need to click swiftmend and regrowft way more also get your lifebloom uptime to 100%

[somber citrus]

Did I see someone say you always cast Swiftmend on yourself with Lifebloom?

I typically leave Lifebloom on myself and position myself in middle of raid for the healing circle

[grand herald]

Extending LB and 2 RJs every time is a lot of value

[dusk talon]

someone can gimme the talents for low keys with damage profile ? can't find it xD

[fervent mica]

wowhead

[dusk talon]

well not finding it so thats why i'm asking xd

[grand herald]

Go keeper, take DoC, jobs done

[edgy grove]

i just dont understand why its greyed out so much

[grand herald]

It being grey doesnt matter

[edgy grove]

i have rej x2 on my tank and lifebloom up

[grand herald]

If you cast it on someone with a valid hot

It will cast

[vivid peak]

you are most likely targeting an enemy so it shows as gray since you cant extend anything on an enemy

[stray meteor]

Are most top players still playing with physical dmg talent? the wowhead talent build is magic dmg and it seems to do more dmg, but in my experience the mana manegement is more difficult :p

[thorn whale]

It’s not about mana. It’s about globals and ease of doing valuable damage in a key

[idle lake]

how reliable is locus walker ribbon in m+

[haughty ibex]

when u play more magic dmg talent stuff u usually play ms which gives mana back, and they play catweaving for globals invested + prio dmg

[nocturne shadow]

How’s resto after the nerfs? Did some 15s yesterday and felt noticeably weaker or is it placebo?

[fast burrow]

what build are we playing rn after update

[idle lake]

what happened in the update

was that the 3% global healing nerf

[stray meteor]

sorry waht is ms

[nocturne shadow]

Yeah and everbloom nerf

[fast burrow]

do we still play with it or use diff ones

everyone im checking on murlok still uses apex

[haughty ibex]

master shapeshifter

[nocturne shadow]

I play regular wildstalker build but if you have a good group DoC build would still be good

I just hate it because feels lack luster in bosses

[proven phoenix]

yes still play apex

[edgy grove]

yep this was it

i realized why it wasnt going. was targeting a mob

[idle lake]

how bad is it

are we ngmi

[proven phoenix]

its fine man

[idle lake]

thought so

is leech the best enchant or does it not matter and i can pick speed

[main timber]

There are no wrong answers there, except speed

[idle lake]

whats wrong with speed 💔

does midnight have hearty food

[summer scroll]

How should be target selection for lifebloom? Always on tank or on whoever gets hit hard?

[opal hare]

Do you guys macro stare to convoke or use it as a separate cd in keys?

[rigid mirage]

From what I'm told in raid should almost always be on you for everbloom

[stray meteor]

but it only restores mana by catweaving right ? it's kinda akward having to owl and cat weave :p

[vivid peak]

look for hovercasting macros/addon

[wary belfry]

Speed is the only correct answer actually

[haughty ibex]

it doesnt, no.
Wrath, Starfire, and Starsurge deal 30% additional damage and generate 2700 Mana.

[stray meteor]

_> why it doesnt appear to me

[harsh quail]

its literally the second paragraph?

[stray meteor]

oh

i'm super dumb

i just thought it would have a moonkin symbol

xd

[harsh quail]

you dont need the form, that why^^

[stray meteor]

makes sense

thanks

[edgy grove]

thats what i was thinking of doing tonight.

[urban kestrel]

alright my dh has now ran xenas 5 times and got both rings on myth, easiest 40 crest save for my druid ever

[fallen dune]

can someone tell me the problem in this log? like what could ive done to heal better, avoid deaths, or anything? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9ZT6q7tKaHJfrMxh?fight=48&type=summary

[haughty ibex]

ur cpm is quite low i think? ur sm cpm especially. ur 1st death could have been avoided by u using ur aoe stun (idk if im trolling but looks like u didnt use once entire time?). it looks like u weren’t rly prepared for some dmg/pulls. im on mobile so is way harder to see so ignore if im wrong, but looks like u didnt cast ib on anyone the entirety of the glaive pulls, u cannot have like 5 deaths just on those pulls:(

[idle lake]

no aoe stun used all dungeon that is correct

[haughty ibex]

but is just impossible to read a log on mobile 😔😔😔

[idle lake]

yeah ive tried

horrible

[haughty ibex]

all timelines are shit

[idle lake]

lifebloom was 100% uptime during the runic mark death

just not on themself

[haughty ibex]

ye but he also had bark available no? for his own death i mean

and ib for the shaman prob since she didn’t have defs

[idle lake]

ohhhhh

ib ironbark

sorry i cant read

[haughty ibex]

yes sorry 😭

[haughty ibex]

SOTPDNSHAHA

[idle lake]

i misread the ib as lb idk how

my fault

[haughty ibex]

is okay u have been forgiven

[idle lake]

thank you so much

yeah no ironbark was used

if im understanding this correctly

i wasnt

[haughty ibex]

mffggh desktop view

[idle lake]

im only showing the evoker

there we go

[haughty ibex]

ye u have a target

[idle lake]

god im useless

i dont read logs other than my own

and i have never looked in this much detail

runic mark death was at like 16~ ish

so

[haughty ibex]

u can mark players death somewhere

They appear as red lines

so u can see cd usage and stuff better

[idle lake]

incredible

wcl coaching session

[haughty ibex]

its all u man

[inland terrace]

Did our WS raid build or playstyle change at all after the nerfs yesterday? Wondering if KoTG is now better.

[idle lake]

https://tenor.com/view/league-of-legends-ryze-gif-13222252

[idle lake]

play kotg and dont take apex talent

[inland terrace]

Okay, so back to that. Well, it was fun while it lasted.

[idle lake]

i lied

[proven phoenix]

dont do that man

the build is the same

[haughty ibex]

spreading misinformation is so funny

[proven phoenix]

gameplay is the same

you too

quit it

[inland terrace]

Oh lol

[idle lake]

biggest smile on my face

sorry friend

[inland terrace]

I can respect the chaos, littlefinger.

[stable iron]

Are my stat weights okay?

[hearty coral]

What's a stat weight

[idle lake]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[hearty coral]

Is this BFA

[grand herald]

can use qelive to see what gear to wear/go for

[stable iron]

You know what I meant :c

[grand herald]

otherwise i wouldnt look at your stats at all

the actually numbers hardly matter

[idle lake]

if your haste is below 40% they point and laugh at you in dreamgrove

[hearty coral]

If you have 0 crit on your gear then you are winning

But just sim to check

[idle lake]

is there a way to sim what to spend my crests on

[haughty ibex]

yeah ask chatgpt

i mean on qelive u can upgrade the items to maxlvl and see wassup no?

[idle lake]

ye but im crest capped i can only upgrade 1 of 3 items to max

[fervent mica]

set items to whatever crest you have to add, and make them GV items to see which adds more

it will show you the best one

[idle lake]

so intelligent

thank you

i made it into the anboni video for 2 seconds at the start ill be doing signatures if anyone wants 😅😅❤️ #Famous

once ive rolled all the good items from nexus point where do i spend them next

i cant reliably kill mythic chimaerus every week i dont think

[fervent mica]

pugging it is pretty easy

if you've ever killed it

[idle lake]

i killed it

maybe i get auto accepted for linking cutting edge now

[fervent mica]

the answer is the same as every other question...

[idle lake]

it took me longer to get into a group than it did for me to kill it

[fervent mica]

just sim it

[idle lake]

how can i make friends if i just put everything into a sim 💔

[fervent mica]

why make friends when you can make enemies that need your services?

[idle lake]

[rocky lodge]

so 298 gaze is the superior trinket

i think i’m the only person in my raid team with no mythic gaze x

i rolled and got the waist from m chim! 😄

[fervent mica]

gaze/lwr are so far above everything else

[rocky lodge]

i think i cucked myself by taking hero gaze second week vault or something

blizz said no more gaze 4 you

[fervent mica]

meh?

i haven't been able to get myth one...

[idle lake]

locus walker lowkey the biggest bum in warcraft

[fervent mica]

but i looted a hero track wue

that for some reason people keep commenting on in keys

[idle lake]

everybody want that trinket so bad

[haughty ibex]

what is wue

[fervent mica]

warbound until equipped

[haughty ibex]

oh i thought it was a secret trinket or smth

[marsh prism]

like rmh

I will never get over that

[fervent mica]

real money housing?

[marsh prism]

some guy came in here asking about rmh

RASHOKS MOLTEN HEART

[fervent mica]

nice.

[marsh prism]

I've never forgotten them

[fervent mica]

i thought wue was wide spread /-:

[thorn plover]

Any myth crown tips

[fervent mica]

dispell the absorb if they also get obelisk

[half star]

You can make a difference getting blobs to correct mini boss in P1 if you want to be a team player (taunt, ursol, typhoon) and it does matter until your team gets aggro control on them figured out

[fervent mica]

i was doing that til we said screw it and brought a 3rd dk in 😄

[rotund geode]

anyone could advise me some universal danders profile in the spirit of what jdotb uses, like vertical, preferably square and not icon

[terse sparrow]

So no talent major changes as of yet after the small nerfs?

[fervent mica]

narp

[proven phoenix]

my beloved trinkets

[silent ruin]

how many second is it for lifebloom extension proc? 3 or 5 seconds?

me forgor

[proven phoenix]

4.5

just refresh when its low man

[marsh prism]

I'm glad I'm not the only freak who keeps notable trinkets

[proven phoenix]

those are the trinkets I killed each end boss with

[marsh prism]

I absolutely have my reservoir somewhere

[proven phoenix]

denathrius, sylvanas, raszageth, sarkareth, fyrakk, dimensius

[idle lake]

salhadar trinket ❤️

my beloved

[silent ruin]

Yeah but trying to maximize the bloom procc

[tame galleon]

Where's your shock baton nance

[silent ruin]

I'm at the point of trying optimize the sequencing

[rustic copper]

they fixed it so you can't collect them anymore

right after that

[fervent mica]

a single bloom from refreshing in pandemic is quite literally nothing in the grand scheme of things. work on other stuff and just make sure its up

[rustic copper]

[sacred wasp]

wheres the kaelthas feather from nathria...

[proven phoenix]

I could've kept it I just only keep trinkets that I kill the end boss with

[silent ruin]

i thought if u sm with life bloom, the burst is pretty significant?
I usually keep up rejuv pretty well
I need more practice with raid healing tho

[fervent mica]

most of your blooms come from proccing sotf and phosy

refreshing in pandemic is good, but you should rarely be having it get low enough that you need to. if you're holding sm instead of extending it just to recast in pandemic you're losing a lot

[silent ruin]

i'm just spamming it

[gilded oxide]

It's over, may as well delete my druid with a gap like this

[silent ruin]

i do sm some other guy sometimes
but ig it loses durstion value if i don't use it on the guy that has the most hots but on the other hand if someone needs some emergency heal
so much decisions

[fervent mica]

if you're talking about in raid never use it on anyone else

especially if you're running the WS build most are. implant too strong

[silent ruin]

my raid strat is like
put lifebloom on myself run with the group and try to aoe heal with that while applying other hots on all the low hp that needs it, i try to perma sm myself and keep rejuv up on myself
not sure if that's correct tho

[fervent mica]

2x rej + lb on you in that case. yeah

[silent ruin]

that's what i try to do

idk what's the optimal way to heal in raid
me pretty new so..

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/starwarsday-gif-5413758

[silent ruin]

I'm just trying out stuffs since i did like raid first time this week

well i just started a month ago

is there any other strat to heal on raid or should i just keep doing what i'm doing

usually i just always try to keep sm and wg on perma cd and apply rejuv whenever possible and regrowth or convoke etc

[glossy holly]

i've always felt raid healing is not exact science

sometimes u just got to swing it

get basics down and throw some spells semi randomly lol

[fleet jewel]

[stoic mirage]

Wheres the WS build?

[thorn plover]

Wowhead

[stoic mirage]

OH wild stalker, duh, not wild synthisis LOL

[urban kestrel]

wow early lura prog is some peak dps ui/addon setup shit....

[silent ruin]

okie
ill ujust do what i've been doing

[foggy ether]

when is it best to pop emberwing

[inner sonnet]

probably before damage event

[drifting timber]

Ramp with RJ / SW | LN & WG on cd. When you have buncha RJ out and stacks throw out RG. Try to target players with RJ, send convoke and tranq on cd, Mae sure you have buncha hots out on tranq and repeat, spreading RJ into RG.

[sudden rover]

That is exactly what im doing

[drifting timber]

There’s no exact rotation. First time healer in mythic raiding and Druid and doing that is solid blue parses couple purples but also my healing team tries to put my big cds at 2:30 int every fight

[sudden rover]

I’ll die before I let my gm tell me when to press convoke and tranq

[silent ruin]

shouldn't we save convoke and tranquil for heal checks/emergencies?

i do most of the stuffs u say tho

[wide goblet]

Tranq should realistically be assigned if you're progging fights

[foggy ether]

When is it best to pop emberwing

[oak garnet]

I'm not liking this apexless guardian build gaining traction in m+

Rdruid stocks going down

[harsh night]

hi hi, trying ot search "exceptional" is horrible with discord search. what are "exceptional" spells for convoke the spirits?

[urban bone]

When extra haste will help you cast spells you need to cast???

[drifting timber]

Convoke isn’t that big of a cd, send every min, don’t hold it. If you can pair it with tranq do it.

[urban bone]

Convoke is quite a big hps cd?

[ripe flame]

Question big brain resto druids is the ideal route to voidforge upgrade a 289 weapon next week or is the 285 craft similar value

[urban bone]

Why would you send it every min if nothing is happening and you can send it 30s later during a damage event?

[silent ruin]

i think for example in chimmy i start using convoke off cd on first soak then every time it's up which usually aligns with consume
or vora with the adds
are u saying i should just start popping it off cd?

[urban bone]

It’s a big healing moment, you shouldn’t pop it on CD if holding it helps keep people healed

Am I crazy?

[silent ruin]

That's what i usually do too

[urban bone]

Yeah, you should, it’s not a small CD, it’s a lot of hps

[silent ruin]

Maybe if i optimize and check logs, i can align the timer even better maybe

like if i know soak is 1:30 i can start the fight with convoke

[urban bone]

Yea you should maximize uses but don’t just blow it when it will do nothing

That guy is wrong saying it’s not a big cd

[silent ruin]

I feel like convoke is a big enough cd

that u try to use it but u usually don't need to coordinate

then tranq u need to coordinate since it's 3 min

but what do i know, i just started wow for a month

[thorn plover]

how do i make my personal ns note ignore phases

[urban bone]

From the wowhead guide

[silent ruin]

that's what i've been doing i read most of the wowhead stuffs

i was just asking for more nuanced stuffs

and minmaxing

[urban bone]

Follow the guide and look at good logs is where it’s at imo

[silent ruin]

been looking at logs of someone my fren is playing with

for reference

He plays groves tho

so can't fully copy

oh he swapped to ws

time to log dive

[vocal hinge]

l o l

does anyone even take refo anymore

[fervent mica]

maybe after the next nerf/buff set they do... who knows

[forest furnace]

Can anyone explain to me why we take Verdant infusion over Prosperity in raid?

[urban bone]

No one knows for sure

[fervent mica]

extending high value hots in extremely powerful

basically never having to recast lifebloom

[urban bone]

Less time keeping lb target juiced so more casts to juice others basically

[forest furnace]

Ah see I can see that, but do you ever get the final bloom proc from it if it never goes down enough?

[hearty coral]

yes from photosynthesis and sotf

the tooltip is weird

[fervent mica]

every bloom is a "final" bloom

[forest furnace]

Actually?

[fervent mica]

sotf + phosy proc them constantly

[forest furnace]

thats cracked

That makes way more sense then

ty

[hearty coral]

the bloom from refreshing is just an extra to add to the sotfx3 ones and the random constant photo blooms

so its minor

[fervent mica]

and with the WS build you are using implant to get a forced sym bloom on that target to stack even more everbloom healing

[hearty coral]

and its better to just have lb perma up with all the hots up

[deft drum]

is gaze/baelgor or gaze/void siffuser, better for paladins?

[formal fjord]

this is a resto druid chat

[deft drum]

hmm rlly

i didnt know

[formal fjord]

are you asking because you want to take it from your paladin?

[vocal sage]

But you have to refresh Lifebloom though, VI doesn't extend it enough - or am I doing something wrong

[deft drum]

shirley rdruids r taken on the lighblinded paladins fight

[formal fjord]

who is shirley - sorry i really am not sure what you are asking. If its a general healer question try the general chat 🙂 if you are wanting to know for your resto druid then use QElive

Or SIM any healer in QE live

[deft drum]

lmao am i being trolled

[formal fjord]

thats how im feeling

[deft drum]

better trinket duo for DRUID on paladin fight

[unique sedge]

Call them vanguards

[formal fjord]

okay that makes sense

[deft drum]

so never in history has that fight been refered to as paladins

[formal fjord]

probably not in that sentence structure no

[unique sedge]

You did kinda ask as if you were asking which trinkets are better for the paladin class

[formal fjord]

Writing takes a little bit more detail, even it if makes sense in your brain 🙂 - To answer your question, are you using QElive -> or are you wanting to understand what particular trinkets are good for the movement involved etc?>

[forest pollen]

I like void diffuser all the time

[formal fjord]

Personally id go take a look at top trinkets the top guilds are using for that fight

and then yeah, after that, personal preference

[forest pollen]

QElive Is trash with trinkeys imo it tells us litany is bis

[formal fjord]

@main timber - your website is trash with trinkets apparently

[forest pollen]

@formal fjord rat

[formal fjord]

It shows Gaze is BiS for me, dont know what ur talking about

IKR

[forest pollen]

well other then gaze

litany is 2

either way

[main timber]

No it isn't. They asked a raid question where Litany is like 10th

[formal fjord]

Ribbon

is my other one

[forest pollen]

idk how i feel about it

[formal fjord]

lol - how is that BiS

[forest pollen]

its also like impossible to code how diffuser works I feel into something like QElive

[formal fjord]

To say that a 10th trinket is BiS and then the website is trash is WILD

[main timber]

There is a setting for it

[forest pollen]

its better the worse the raid is at dodging mechanics

[main timber]

You mistyped the trinket name, misunderstood the question, and don't know what settings are available

Not a great innings for you tonight

[formal fjord]

Me or Beef?

[forest pollen]

well tahts what im saying

its like impossible to know the average health of your raid

[main timber]

Beef of course, you didn't do any of the things I listed

[formal fjord]

ah right, sorry i have the autism

social context is a thing

[forest pollen]

that being said

[main timber]

It's not easy for sure, but you can at least see how it ranks at a few health points and use that to maybe inform how you feel about it

We did do log analysis on it to inform the QE ranking though, and average raid health up until like M L'ura is 85-90% which isn't great for it

[forest pollen]

if I put my average raid health for volatile void at 1

litany would be 3rd best or w.e

I just don't see how that trinket is that good

[main timber]

In raid it's quite bad

[forest pollen]

not so much why suffuser isn't simming as well on QElive

[main timber]

And doesn't rank high

In M+ it can be a problem solver, but I agree it is awkward to use

[forest pollen]

no hate sir I just think any sim site is weird with trinkets

thats all

don't have to come for my balls and tell me what I did and didn't do when you don't know

besides spellcheck diffuser 😉

[main timber]

You can also hover over the ? if you want more information on why something ranks that way

[vocal sage]

I have a question: how often should I have to cast Lifebloom manually? I see people refer to Swiftmending Lifebloom target with VI for "permanent" Lifebloom, but considering the cooldown of SM is 15 seconds, won't you have to manually refresh Lifebloom after every couple of Swiftmend casts?

[gentle nova]

In raid?

[vocal sage]

In raid yeah

[gentle nova]

About 1.5 times a minute

[formal fjord]

you called his site trash, then was like, oh no dont come for me, when you invited it. lol - pure troll.

[vocal sage]

Base 15 + 8 from VI = 23. Then you Swiftmend at 8 = 16, then Swiftmend at 1 (if you're lucky) = 9. So by my count it's at least two times a minute

[main timber]

You have a Swiftmend CDR talent giving you 15%+ too

[gentle nova]

Its 1.5ish

Source: million of logs looked at

[thorn plover]

ok i might be a 2m convoke believer

[vocal sage]

Alright, well that makes me feel better. I see people refer to it as "perma" Lifebloom and was trying to figure out what I was doing wrong. Hardly perma

Thanks ❤️

[formal fjord]

just from the perspective of never letting it drop on yourself

[gentle nova]

1 min voke isnt that much gain

The flourish is kinda trash

[hushed heath]

alright, ive been coasting on good looks and caffiene but I need some help now. How do I heal M+
not the basic, keep lifebloom and swiftmend on cooldown, but like, what what are the secrets.
What are your plans for optimal ramps depending on available CD's
Whats the optimal hot application order when starting from nothing?
Basically how do I heal 20's when undergeared (please for the love of god I need an answer that isnt "get more gear")

[rustic copper]

is everbloom still good

[vocal sage]

Hate to say it but if you can heal 19s, you just need more gear lol

Or a better group? idk.

[hushed heath]

why even take the time to type that out?

[vocal sage]

Well, it's likely you are already doing the right things if you can already do 19s. It's the truth

[formal fjord]

Yeah im interested in this too - healed a +14 today and although it went fine at 80 parses or whatever I know that I probably hotted before damage events too early and missed a couple of optimal buttons for spreading regrowth at the wrong moments etc.

[vocal sage]

Yeah it's really about playing around high abundance stacks for damage events combined with available cooldowns

[formal fjord]

im defs already doing that, but thinking i only need to get high abundance first and then starting casting the big stuff when the damage actually occurs rather than prehotting too much? - EG i noticed that in analyzer my wildgrowth was mostly red because I think i was anticipating damage with it.

[rocky lodge]

is hero glorious crusaders a dogshit trink*

am i ducking up and should be using my myth volatile void

[gentle nova]

That was expected

No apex might be the same healing tbh

[hushed heath]

so, spread rejuv, and use swiftment on regrowth then regrowth spam I guess?

[formal fjord]

thats the basics yes

u got a wow analyzer I could look at?

[hushed heath]

I do not

[formal fjord]

any logs?

[rustic copper]

bad

[formal fjord]

swiftmend on LB target tho - then regrowth after on another target

[vivid peak]

It's just a very broad question. What are you not able to heal?

[hushed heath]

basically 100% of MT

wait

windrunner spite

got them mixed up

[formal fjord]

show us a log?

details need data Eon

otherwise its just - do the rotation thanks

[hushed heath]

just because the 8 second increase?

[vivid peak]

Without logs best course of action is to watch a vod of someone doing 20/21 of that key

[hushed heath]

ok

[pulsar kettle]

if ur healing 19s you more than have the basics of healing m+ down.

record urself and analyze mistakes and see where you could have played better

watch vods of 20/21s like mckamp said

[cloud moss]

I have question who did the palandins mythic. When do you spend your bloom proc? and do you use it with Rjuv? or Regrowth?

[rustic copper]

you can time a sotf rg at the same time as 1 set of absorbs comes out

other than that 90% rejuv

[cloud moss]

sorry. what does rg stands for? english is not my first language

[formal fjord]

"just because" this is the details bit that you need to heal high keys, you are saving a key press, its important.

[rustic copper]

regrowth

[cloud moss]

Thank you!! so we use soft on the absorbs than a big aoe dam?

[hushed heath]

I know regrowth transfers to LB but was there another reason besides the 8 second increase to swiftmend the LB target?

[fervent mica]

implant

[formal fjord]

swiftmend also increases the other hots and yes implant

[rustic copper]

no you use it on rejuv every time and the only time you should consider regrowth is with nature's swiftness to try to heal an absorb in 1 global

[cloud moss]

ah ha

and how much do i need to keep the proc stack that reduces the cost of rg?

i burn mana too quick..

[vocal sage]

In raid?

[cloud moss]

Yes

In keys i don’t think it matters

[vocal sage]

I usually stop spamming rg around 6. Abundance matters in keys

[formal fjord]

in raid over 4 - some say over 6

[cloud moss]

oh wow… i was around 10-12

that explains why…

[fervent mica]

you want to get it to 12+

then regrowth spam until its lower

with sotf rej when sm comes off cd

[formal fjord]

Lower end is 4-6

[fervent mica]

to keep it up longer

[vocal sage]

Using too much mana is probably pointless healing between cooldowns

Assuming your abundance is ok, sounds ok

[formal fjord]

at the end of a ramp phase I also chuck in some dps to help with mana

[cloud moss]

yeah.. first time healing mythic raid

[cloud moss]

I notice they don’t use that talent on paladins boss

[formal fjord]

"they" ?

[rustic copper]

4 is extremely low, you should be casting rejuv if you only have 4 rejuvs up

[vocal sage]

We’re cooldown healers primarily just hit SM on cooldown and WG on cooldown, and rejuv/regrowth (with cd if you have one) for damage events. Between that dps

[cloud moss]

top 100 in logs

[formal fjord]

lol i was about to say, Nico will tell you that its 10-12 only

[rustic copper]

what

I am #1 regrowth presser

[cloud moss]

how much is ideal?

[fervent mica]

it was 12 last xpac

because of breakpoints

[formal fjord]

max is usually 12, then down to 4-6. People have thier low end numbers.

[rustic copper]

I mean average is prob 10 but I am sometimes casting at 6 range

there is no way you are at 4 stacks

[cloud moss]

yeah cuz of the sm

[rustic copper]

you get 5 stacks by maintaining hots on yourself and using soul on rejuv

[cloud moss]

thank you niko

[sand spruce]

Hey guys i was hoping to get some feedback on my logs for mythic crown - so far I know i should be casting a LOT more regrowths compared to top logs, but i generally feel like theres more im missing cause i was expecting to get a better parse overall. Any help would be appreciated. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yqfvGbhp1PtFm2V6?fight=last&type=healing&source=21

[fervent mica]

4 stacks is basically impossible... with 2 on lb and sotf casting 3

[rustic copper]

if you hit 4 you should not be casting more regrowth

[formal fjord]

there was somewhere about it being similar to rejuv for mana

[gentle nova]

Omg

[formal fjord]

or just above for mana

[gentle nova]

D

[rustic copper]

@thorn plover look

you tricked another one

[formal fjord]

lol how was i tricked

[rustic copper]

just because regrowth is more mana efficient than rejuv at 4 does not mean it is ever optimal to cast a regrowth at 4

[formal fjord]

i mentioned it because they said they were suffering for mana

[gentle nova]

how are u at 4 when sm keeps you at 5 perma

[rustic copper]

ok well if you are casting regrowth at 4 stacks you are fucking your mana

[formal fjord]

because you could be dpsing instead or?

[gentle nova]

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/mane-im-dead-gif-17125533328470459107

[formal fjord]

oh come on

im actually interested

[vocal sage]

Look at the Abundance tooltip

[formal fjord]

and trying to improve

[gentle nova]

No one is pressing any dps spell

[formal fjord]

just catvoke?

[rustic copper]

because i can cast a regrowth which costs 5k mana or I can cast a rejuv that costs 5.2k mana and saves me another 4k mana by reducing my next 10 regrowth casts by 400 mana

[gentle nova]

Is this for m+

[formal fjord]

raid

[gentle nova]

yeah no

[rustic copper]

5k > 5.2k - 4k

[formal fjord]

ah - thanks!

[cloud moss]

raid heal is so hard..

keep getting scores under 50

[gentle nova]

Its easy

Press rg

[cloud moss]

plz teach me good sir

[hazy spoke]

Dumb question, but I’ve been trying to swiftmend my lifebloom target at or below 4.5s left. Should I just be swiftmending them on cooldown, instead of other targets?

[formal fjord]

its a different style for sure

[thorn plover]

[rustic copper]

I told you man

posting that screenshot is technically true

[gentle nova]

Press less wg so u dont oom press
More wg if you wanna spend mana or got external mana

[rustic copper]

but practically misinformation

[formal fjord]

So true in the moment but not overtime

[thorn plover]

yeah to those who have 0 reading comprehension

sure

[rustic copper]

yes on cd

[hazy spoke]

Like if LB is at 7s, should I just swiftmend them, swiftmend someone else, or wait 3.5s and swiftmend them

[formal fjord]

I happen to have great reading comprehension, u gotta back stuff up

[thorn plover]

regrowth is cheap

cast it

[fervent mica]

sm the lb in raid, always

[vocal sage]

Swiftmend LB target on cooldown

[hazy spoke]

Does that reduce the amount of blooms if I just swiftmend the lb off cd?

[fervent mica]

no

[cloud moss]

what’s oom?

[grand herald]

technically

[fervent mica]

proccing sotf is 3 blooms

waiting and using less sms is less

[hazy spoke]

OoM = Out of Mana

[cloud moss]

thanks!!

[fervent mica]

if you lb is low and sm is still on cd, then you can refresh in panda... but most of the time its just sm

[hazy spoke]

Would you swiftmend the lifebloom target even if they’re full hp?

And we still just lifebloom ourselves in raid right?

[gentle nova]

Okay so the lb cpm in raid is 1.5, imagine a 6min fight you casted 9 lbs, if you refreshed them all in pandemic you gained 9 blooms for your everbloom. Average bloom count over a fight is 200+

pandemic doesnt matter

[fervent mica]

yeah

[vocal sage]

LB on yourself SM yourself on cd, it really is that simple

[hushed heath]

There is an interaction when you cast Swiftmend on the Lifebloom target in the pandemic window?

[fervent mica]

no

[gentle nova]

No

[formal fjord]

what do you mean by interaction, because getting LB early means it doesnt drop off.

and still gets full 3 tickets

ticks*

[hazy spoke]

Thought if you swiftmended lb during pandemic, I thought it bloomed

[vocal sage]

It does

[hushed heath]

thats literally what I just asked???

[formal fjord]

i think the interaction bit was misinterpreted

[gentle nova]

It doesnt bloom

[fervent mica]

it does not

[gentle nova]

But also the pandemic bloom is so minimal compared to the sotf and phosy blooms

I just gave an example

[formal fjord]

pandemic bloom is minimal or doesnt exist?

[gentle nova]

Over a 6 min fight we get 9 pandemic blooms, total blooms tend to be 200+

[vocal sage]

It doesn't count as refresh near expiration?

[fervent mica]

sm does not

[thorn plover]

sm isnt a refresh

its an extension

[vocal sage]

Jeez fair TIL

[thorn plover]

get more gear

[hazy spoke]

Oh, yeah that’s misleading lol

[sweet blade]

my resto druid buddy just bonus rolled a Nevermelting Ice Crystal, is that good or bad

[thorn plover]

bad

[hazy spoke]

So are the numbers in for raid builds yet? Is the best build still apex? Saw above Mattiu was saying 2m convoke is probably the play

[thorn plover]

[hazy spoke]

I mean, archon doesn’t look any different

[thorn plover]

quit using that shit

[sweet blade]

sadge

[pulsar kettle]

[hazy spoke]

Typically base my opinions/builds on this discord. But the archon builds also typically align with this discord, sometimes it takes a bit though

[formal fjord]

Im curious about what Mattiu said also, what other non apex build might be viable now? Wanting to see if i like it better.

[thorn plover]

he said apex and non apex are about the same

which you can do with your own math pretty quickly

[marsh prism]

just cut out the middle man and look at logs

of ppl you know + trust

(but multiple)

but not every swinging dick datapoint that archon is collating

[formal fjord]

Does the apex and non apex still exist? Im looking in WoWhead but might be blind

[hazy spoke]

That was being said last week, but is that still the consensus?

[thorn plover]

not on wowhead because apex is still slightly ahead in most cases

theyre both worth like 15-16%, apex is just free healing

for the average player apex is going to be way better

[formal fjord]

Id like to learn more about the class trees and how to play around, getting a non apex build and seeing how it goes would be ideal. do they exist anywhere?

or is there a person whose running it that i can look at please

[hazy spoke]

Feels like apex just makes me overheal myself so much… which my guild typically gives me shit for

[thorn plover]

use your imagination

[hollow pond]

I see logs where peoples rejuvs are like 30k HPS in raid vs my 20k, is that because they are doing natures swiftness or something to bump up the numbers, almost same ilvl but my hots dont hit as hard as theirs

[hazy spoke]

Just look at logs from like a month ago.

[formal fjord]

itil be abundance

[formal fjord]

oo yes thankyou - appreciate the idea!

[thorn plover]

abundance does nothing to rejuv

[formal fjord]

oh sorry i read regrowth

[vocal sage]

Probs buffing more of them with SOTF?

[formal fjord]

some of this is super niche, do you have logs or stats?

[hollow pond]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MTBydjhZfKrg96vF?fight=19&type=healing&source=8 -- swiftmend usage was atrocious, I just got a TTS alert on CDM after the raid so that should be fixed. I was comparing it to the top druid at 4ilvls higher than me

[vocal sage]

Yeah they'll be buffing more rejuvs with SOTF, so more SM = more SOTF = more buffed rejuvs

[thorn plover]

holy crap press regrowth

[lament river]

26 regrowth cast

Its to low

[thorn plover]

you have no mastery stacks

[vocal sage]

Try to play around a cycle of rejuv until high abundance stacks, then regrowth until you hit ~6, then repeat

[hollow pond]

down till i have 6 abundance stacks? is that what you mean?

[vocal sage]

Yeah roughly

[proven phoenix]

@rustic copper

now what

[vocal sage]

There's no hard and fast number, just rejuv until high stacks, regrowth until low stacks

[cloud moss]

so it’ll be better to stack them before the damage happens and hit rg after?

[hollow pond]

that may be why my regrowths are so low, I start to apply regrowth and then once my abundance starts to drop i try to bring it back up but then it just keeps dropping off since old ones are dropping off.

[cloud moss]

does rg hot also matters? is it wise to pre cast rg hots on people?

[hollow pond]

I feel like my abundance never wants to stay up lol -- makes a lot of sense

[rustic copper]

bro

I have 2 of them

I'm going to cry

catalyze when you get a socket

[vocal sage]

Yeah the old ones will expire so when you see the number is low, start from 0 in your head

[rustic copper]

yes

you need to press regrowth on full hp people a lot of the time

or you will run out of mana

[cloud moss]

i see

[vocal sage]

It's 1 extra hot which = more mastery stacks

[hollow pond]

is it wise to rejuv 6 people and then reapply for germination or try to spread it onto like 12 people ish

[cloud moss]

then before damage happens it’s wg

[vocal sage]

The aim of this is to stack your abundance up, it doesn't matter. If someone needs a lot of healing go for it, it's situational

[hollow pond]

ok so aim is, WG before dmg, rejuv to 12 - spam regrowth till 6ish then rinse and repeat, throwing convoke and tranq close to on CD? and SM on CD

also LB up at all times

[hazy spoke]

You want to WG off cooldown

Unless I’m wrong

[thorn plover]

not necessarily

you WG as much as your mana will allow

[hazy spoke]

I typically only hold it if I know a big damage event is going to happen and I want to tranq in a few seconds… then I’d hold so tranq can extend the whole thing, rather than the tail end.

[vocal sage]

There is a ramp guide on Wowhead @hollow pond

[hazy spoke]

Most fights this expansion don’t feel too tight mana wise though

[hollow pond]

Ill go check it out, I was looking for one. AutomatikJak does a fantastic ramp explanation for disc priest was hoping to find one for druid

[rustic copper]

on cd is definitely wrong

if you have a ton of mana you cast it when there's dmg

[flint jetty]

is either of the 2 272 ilvl items any good for resto?

[rustic copper]

I casted it 1.4 cpm on my last lura

because it is a long fight and expensive to spam it

[hazy spoke]

Are you only casting it for mastery stacks then?

Does only tree KotG cast it off cd, for faster tree cd?

[toxic copper]

I have a funny question

What do you mean by mastery stacks

200 hours on resto Druid btw

[hazy spoke]

Read the Resto Druid mastery. Every HoT is a stack

[proven phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN23j14Tmqc

wow....

[rustic copper]

no, yes

[hollow pond]

I asked that not long ago, as i didnt know, each hot on a character is a mastery stack

[hazy spoke]

Makes sense. Thanks

[hazy spoke]

In longer fights, at what general group hp% are you typically looking to cast WG then?

[marsh prism]

just like

an aoe hit

[hazy spoke]

What about before a convoke?

[formal fjord]

for in a ramp purpose or?

kuz thats the ramp

[hazy spoke]

I mean WG before convoke for the added mastery

Yeah

[formal fjord]

yep that 🙂

[rustic copper]

I have a rough idea of how many I can cast

and I press them at the best times

I know on lura i need to max conserve

I know on beloren I don't care

[thorn plover]

doesnt even feel fair to call what we do a ramp anymre

lol

[rustic copper]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[rustic copper]

it is ramp

our healing is wavey

[hazy spoke]

Are most of your logs private? Trying to see what you’re talking about with the WG usage on Crown. It’s Nikosux on illidan right?

[sturdy swallow]

is details or logs borked? the difference between healing done on details and logs is like 40k dif

[marsh prism]

both

in their own ways

[sturdy swallow]

it feels like logs is not tracking our apex correct or details isnt lol

[thorn plover]

details counts absorbs twice

[compact stump]

i was usiong no apex in raid - is that no longer a thing

?

[thorn plover]

hasnt been for a couple weeks

[compact stump]

well well well whats the new talents

[thorn plover]

wowhead

[proven phoenix]

details is just completely cooked

dont use that for any reference

it double counts absorbs, it randomly resets on phase change

useless information

[topaz cedar]

nice name bro what do u ao5?

[proven phoenix]

u are so stupid lmfao

[compact stump]

wowhead says wildstalker but logs says KOTG

so

[thorn plover]

what logs

everyone playing WS now

[hazy spoke]

I haven’t seen any logs in like a month using KotG

[rustic copper]

All private, I’m not locked in on heroic so it’s not relevant to check those

[hazy spoke]

Not good HPS ones at least

[rustic copper]

I’m like 50% tabbed into the game on heroic

[compact stump]

any logs you go too ? lol

[thorn plover]

link

[cloud moss]

Anyone using Danders frame? is it possible to set it differently from raid to dungeon? or one has to create new profile?

[thorn plover]

yes

click the tabs at the top

that say raid/dungeon

[rustic copper]

I hate danders and now I’m hooked

Delete addons

[thorn plover]

its so good

[cloud moss]

So i can change colors etc and it won’t affect the other?

[thorn plover]

yes

[cloud moss]

thank you!!

[thorn plover]

you can have them completely different

[hazy spoke]

Yeah, mainly just interested in mythic logs anyway.

Any chance ya could send the crown kill for me to check out?

[rustic copper]

I hid my player frame and then they changed the setting to unhide it

And now I legit can’t readd my own frame

[rustic copper]

500k gold

[thorn plover]

lol

[grand herald]

lmao

[thorn plover]

send kotg logs

[hazy spoke]

lol no thanks

[rustic copper]

[grand herald]

top 100 for M Alleria btw

[formal fjord]

whats your toon name?

[grand herald]

mine? Hudisa

[formal fjord]

thanks 🙂

[wary belfry]

i thought maybe this was another instance of archon just straight up lying

but alas, even it knows its wildstalker

[hazy spoke]

Isn’t archon just pulling all log data? Thought it was pretty accurate

[grand herald]

data is only as usefull as the persons ability to understand it

meaning data aggregators are often misleading

[wary belfry]

we've caught them straight up lying for feral

created their own data or something idk

i can never trust that site

[dense lantern]

archon lying?

[wary belfry]

i hate using wcl too but theres no alternative so gg

[dense lantern]

I swear to god I just need 10 patreon subscribers

[hazy spoke]

Yeah, can be misleading, but not wrong.

[wary belfry]

lol

[hazy spoke]

What was it doing for feral

[grand herald]

the way it presents data can be wrong

[wary belfry]

it literally displayed information that was factually not true, like making up mythical feral druids that are higher io than the r1 feral

[hazy spoke]

It’s tier lists and HPS rankings are wrong. But the talents, thought those were accurate

[wary belfry]

it might be displaying correct (if misleading) information now, but Ill never trust it

and it definitely has the capacity of just being wrong

[thorn plover]

the guy claiming everyone plays keeper disappeared

crazy

[obsidian summit]

Hi all,
Ever since the recent nerf to the Everbloom apex talent (specifically the Blooming Frenzy procs), it feels like it's lost a lot of its value. Do you think it’s still worth taking the Everbloom line?
​I’m curious if going back to a build that skips Everbloom entirely would result in too much of a loss in healing throughput. I've been trying to find some post-nerf logs to compare, but haven't had much luck yet.
​What are your thoughts on sticking with Everbloom versus dropping it for other talents?

[thorn plover]

everbloom is still good

[hazy spoke]

Even right now the HPS it reports aren’t consistent with itself…

Top builds are what people are actually running though.

[obsidian summit]

I asked because I remember we didn't use that build for quite a while before, and I was wondering if it's time to go back to it. Thanks for the help!

[wary belfry]

hah of course

[proven phoenix]

yeah

[gentle nova]

If you play 4/4 apex with no phosy its pretty trash

Phosy adds about 5% to eb healing

[rustic copper]

How only 5%

Isn’t 90% of it photo + 4/4

And I thought photo is more than half

[gentle nova]

Its 2/3

[onyx trail]

phosy is a crazy abbreviation of photosynthesis btw

[rustic copper]

What is 2/3

[gentle nova]

2/3 of total blooms

Yeah ig its a bit more

[rustic copper]

2/3 of eb healing is photo then it’s like 10% of my healing

[proven phoenix]

I am never dropping apex I am never dropping photosynthesis

[rustic copper]

Based 9/9M opinion

[gentle nova]

Yes

So 4/4 apex is 5

😂

[rustic copper]

Should I stand outside of the group to try to wg myself

[proven phoenix]

wat

why

[rustic copper]

Wg is a lot of photo procs

[thorn plover]

Why would you even consider no phosy tho

[rustic copper]

It ticks fast

I can extend it

[proven phoenix]

ok but why do you want to stand outside the groupo

[rustic copper]

It saturates the WS bloom procs

[proven phoenix]

oh to guarrantee it on yourself

[rustic copper]

Not like super out