resto

[versed stone]

I play cat coz I can't stand spamming starfire

[graceful ermine]

I just like having sunfire as a filler button to press while moving

but it's definitely not important

[pastel dragon]

you guys like 2/2 forest walk all the time and keeping LB on yourself when its not absolutely needed on another target? i''ve just been 1/2 forestwalk usually

[versed stone]

I always play 2 forestwalk since it's too good, you get 16% any time you need healing

but for this reason I also pmuch never bloom myself

[pastel dragon]

my understanding is when LB is on yourself everbloom healing is also increased by 16% because its healing you and then being shared with the party

[versed stone]

that may be true, but it doesn't help the squishy dpser that will get unequal healing and die

[pastel dragon]

true, i'd jsut prio LB on myself when there is equal AOE dmg going out

[versed stone]

thing is in my experience there is always 1 player getting chunked for way more

and they will get my bloom

[polar swan]

has anyone else had an issue with lifebloom not tracking in the cd manager on anyone but yourself?

[versed stone]

lifebloom is useless in cdm

you need addons to track it

[pastel dragon]

yah its borked, recocmend lifebloom alert addon

[polar swan]

1 million addons instead of just having good weakauras love this expac haha

[versed stone]

yea pretty much

default ui is diabolical

[solar hollow]

how do I include stuff like crated gear in the QE sims? I want to know if I should take boots from my GV and then craft a new piece

or if someone can help me decide I would really appreciate it

[raw cobalt]

with how many melee in melee range worth to keep lb on tank?

if we got 2 melees and 1 tank near boss, still worth? or keep on myself

[versed stone]

you want your efflo to hit 3 targets most of the time

[raw cobalt]

thx

[versed stone]

if you have ranges standing in narnia then it's double dipping badness

coz they get less symbio spawns on them

[raw cobalt]

we are doing crown mythic with 2 melees

[versed stone]

no efflo healing

[raw cobalt]

range are stacked

[grand herald]

Search bar?

[grand herald]

In raid you just keep it on yourself

[versed stone]

on in raid as long as efflo hits 3 targets that reliably need healing then you're good, so you can self cast it

[grand herald]

You get to position it, and you get bonus self healing for EB splash

[solar hollow]

gotcha ty, what about embellishments?

[hardy junco]

on crown, if im fully hotted and get absorb, is it worth just throwing 3-5 regrowth to actually remove the abosrb?

[zenith linden]

if i use bonusroll 3 times on a 10 does it eliminate items from example a +11 loottable?

[proven phoenix]

yes, if the absorb is on you thats a good thing

[proven phoenix]

yes

[cerulean stratus]

bro

intrerupt note be fighting my guild rn on lura

[hardy junco]

still not sure about apex after nerfs?

[fast burrow]

what are the most important buffs you need to keep an eye on as rdudu?

[hardy junco]

lifebloom, abundance

[north fiber]

how important are parse % for us in m+, and how are they calculated exactly?

[solar hollow]

I have two different mythic boots in my GV (shinkickers and dire treads), I can craft one more 285 piece, and here is my current gear steup. What should I craft and/or take from my GV?

https://questionablyepic.com/live/report/vbtkjtbbadtv

I'm leaning towards taking the shinkickers and crafting a wrist or a cape but I'm not sure because IDK how to include embelleshments on QE

[dreamy forge]

For m+ and playing wildstalker, is the idea to get maintenance buffs like lifebloom and a couple rejuvs, then sit Cat form for as long as possible to rake and rip as many targets as you can?

Follow up question do you apply rips to mobs in the pack at 5 combo points or do you apply them to multiple targets with 1 combo point?

[fervent mica]

i'm probably taking a bonus roll at that point. crafting is very low value with crests currently

[vivid peak]

should i be spamming wg when there's no damage to get implant blooms (raid)

[kind star]

to upgrade a 259 crafted piece, do I need sparks or just the myth crest?

[fervent mica]

crests

[kind star]

sweet

was confused looking at recrafting order, ty!

[lethal lichen]

If you have spare mana yes if no not

[solar hollow]

You would do this over taking shinkickers and crafting a 285 wrist/back with an embellishment?

Also, does the true bis for this phase include two crafted pieces for the embellishments or is it better to be in full 289?

[fervent mica]

two crafted

[solar hollow]

so wouldnt i be going up in ilvl by taking a mythic boot and crafting a different 285?

[fervent mica]

but right now it costs 60 to go from 6/6 hero piece to 5/6 myth which is the same ilvl as crafted. so you're just spending extra. and myth track items are very easy to acquire

[solar hollow]

hmm ok

what is the bis boot btw?

[fervent mica]

crafting is just kind of banned until we have more crests

boe or catalyst

crafted is good there though

[solar hollow]

where can i find the nontier catalyst gear?

[fervent mica]

like what the stats are? or what do you mean

[flint pulsar]

Hi, could anyone tell me if CotED increases HotW's Feral Frenzy damage for single target fights?

[fervent mica]

20% physical, yeah

[flint pulsar]

Thanks, I wasn't sure cause I heard "physical" sometimes just means spells blizzard decides to flag as physical

[fervent mica]

all cat stuff is supposed to be included... but true, anything could be reality

[scarlet trench]

Which tlaent makes my soul of the forest spends cast Rejuv on three targets, but FOUR targets if I use regrowth?

Ooh nvm it's the lifebloom thing

[tough portal]

Bless

Character arc reading prog

[solar hollow]

where can i find the gear that i can get from catalysts?

[fervent mica]

you can just toss an item in the catalyst to see what it will turn into... or look it up on wowhead

[solar hollow]

it seems that none of that gear is haste/mastery tho

[fervent mica]

correct

our tier in general is pretty badly stated for us this season

the cata boots are the only ones outside of boe ones that have high haste

[rigid mirage]

What are the odds we drop apex and go treant tree again after nerf

[solar hollow]

so you suggest I wait to pick-up a mythic boots outside of my GV and catalyze them, dont craft any more epics, and then use my current GV for a reroll? how many rerolls do I get from the GV?

[fervent mica]

i wouldn't worry about your boots until you're beyond the need of crests. crafting another slot is just less value than leaving boots and upgrading other pieces.

it all depends what you can get from your rolls

the extra bonus roll costs the same as a socket

[proven phoenix]

unlikely

I think even if the two are even I will still prefer apex

[rigid mirage]

Huge! cuz I hate treant tree that shit is zzz to me

[odd rapids]

Do you guys DPS better with boomkin (caster spells) or still catweaving when healing M+?

[tidal sigil]

prio is better with cat (at least the HoTW)

[urban bone]

My understanding is cat will win on priority/single target, caster on aoe, if you’re doing low end keys I’d think just play what you prefer

[dreamy forge]

im trying out both but i find it easier to deal more dmg and healing with caster spells.

i can see how prio damage is better as catweaving tho, but I find it more fun do deal alot of damage on AOE

[fast burrow]

M+ parses for healers are pointless, if your dps is doing well and uses defensives your healing will be lower, and healing parses are based on hps

so you parse lower when your dps's play well

[tough frigate]

I felt like hotw > frenzy > forget is pretty much fine and enough for weekly 10's

especially with PUG dps being like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get

[solid hemlock]

yeah, you could turn a key into a 10 since you are dumb and think it's a good idea for easy bonus rolls. then deplete it due to low dps. Def not speaking from experience

[tough frigate]

Or not even no DPS, just stressful healing experience becasue stuff doesn't get kicked, defensives don't get used etc

[tough portal]

happened to me when they added resil keys

I dropped a key to play with random alts of people and didnt realize the lower than 12 wouldnt be resilient

[solid hemlock]

yeah i did not realise this until today 😄

[torpid locust]

Im kind of a copy and go player, however im trying to figure out resto a bit more now that im pusdhing for 15s etc. Ive seen some people run keeper of the grove, is that looking good in m+ for higher keys? just wondering if its worth trying

[spark river]

No

Thats a meme build

You can try it for fun, but it will be less healing

[dreamy forge]

I like it, maybe its a little less healing but the damage burst windows are kinda fun. I'll swap between both builds to see what I end up liking the most.

I find it way easier to do both good healing and good damage with it.

[lament river]

There nerfing apex talents ?

[cerulean stratus]

ended first night of lura

chill 42 wipes in the first min or 2 min

[spark river]

Its not a little. Its 10% less healing for some damage.

[spark river]

Yes they are

[lament river]

How much ?

[spark river]

With the aura nerf and the apex nerf its a total of around 7%

[gentle charm]

yo someone remind me - 3400 is 4x16/4x17?

[spark river]

That should be about right yeah

[gentle charm]

dang

this is going to be a slog

just did my first 15 lol

[spark river]

Whole season ahead of you

[gentle charm]

true, but the faster you push, the easier it is

[dreamy forge]

start with the hardest dungeons first, then the easier ones later

[gentle charm]

yeah for sure

I always hate it because I can't tell if I'm being carried

like I'll get these sick dps/tanks that just play perfect and pump dps and the run goes super smooth

[bright swift]

boss die Thursday...

[gentle charm]

oh shit nice

that's the secret phase?

[dreamy forge]

Getting carried doesn't matter for score ;P. But tbh if the run is smooth all player contribute to it.

[abstract ember]

In m+ why do so many people run verdant infusion over prosperity?

[dreamy forge]

I like it because the cd is short anyways, you dont need 2 charges

and its nice QoL that the HoTs stay on the target, instead of having to re-hot them

[abstract ember]

qol?

[dreamy forge]

quality of life

[solar hollow]

what do i do with extra sparks of radiance if im not interested in crafting anything atm?

[smoky sail]

Just stockpile them

[abstract ember]

ahh gotcha thank ya

[bright swift]

yes

[gentle charm]

man I feel like two charges is so nice to just spam it back to back for high damage places

its so much healing

[rustic copper]

[thorn whale]

Guys dont do Vorasius until tomorrow

thanks

[unique sedge]

why not

[ornate pollen]

is the 6-7% raw or estimated effective? assuming raw

[sudden rover]

6 7 6 7 6 7

[spark river]

You did a rank 1 didnt you

[thorn whale]

Yesss

[spark river]

Great job

You 3 healed right

[distant birch]

We 2 healed it by mistake in alt raid

[crimson tusk]

Who do y’all recommend for a guide? Never healed before but want to try resto Druid

[fervent mica]

guides in pins

[sudden rover]

Is it even possible to get rank 1 with a 4 healer setup in raid

Or even a 97/99 parse

[cerulean stratus]

the 4th healer can heal as much as a bdk

and that would be still4 4 healing

[sudden rover]

I dont understand what u are saying sorry

[cerulean stratus]

its ok

[sudden rover]

ty :3

[cerulean stratus]

i got a r1 on first boss today

but we 2 healed

gg

[thorn whale]

No

but it might as well have been 3

[thorn whale]

Yes

Just git gud

If you're pugging that is

[mild lagoon]

guys am i meant to let lifebloom fall off?

[spark river]

No

Refresh in pandemic window

[spark river]

Can you really treat 70k hps as a healer

But yeah getting high parses in a 4 heal is hard

Unless they are not that good

[sudden rover]

Yeah i figured, sucks

Wlogs shud do something about this

Cheesy shit

[mild lagoon]

does it matter if i do before pandemic?

[spark river]

Its not cheesy

[spark river]

Yes it does

[sudden rover]

Weeeell

[spark river]

If you can 3 heal a fight you simply do

[mild lagoon]

okok

i need better way of tracking

[spark river]

Averzian as an example

[spark river]

Lifebloomalert addon

[mild lagoon]

ty mate

any other similar addons to help? using danders frames atm

[sudden rover]

So i should tell my gm that certain bosses a healer should spec dps?

[unique sedge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/zyuViJBFA9E?si=UkNMYCrYVe1OsmJt
Time to reroll ig

[cerulean stratus]

you should join a guild that underheals bosses

if you want that

[mild lagoon]

mistweaver easy to play now?

[spark river]

Boss dies faster if you can heal it with less people

Why would you overheal for no reason

[proven phoenix]

Bosses with no dps check it’s just good to play what’s safest

No reason to underheal unless it’s some specific reason

You are 2 healing first boss, one healer dcs or something

Let’s wipe I guess

[spark river]

Guess no fun allowed

[proven phoenix]

pretty much

reclear is part of prog

like

the faster you get to the boss you are at the faster it dies

[spark river]

You want to get the fastest to the boss you prog

[hoary river]

Hi all, which weapon should I use, I have a M 7/7 Corespark Multitool, or also the crafted Magister's Valediction.

[spark river]

I get it

[hoary river]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/us/illidan/schnacts/

[proven phoenix]

the higher ilvl weapon lol

[vale island]

hey folks, new rdruid, is there a way i can get a reminder to make sure i have symbiotic relationship applied to the tank in keys?

[spark river]

Buffreminders

[hoary river]

k, TY. It was trading Haste for Master, but still higher iLvl. wans't sure

[proven phoenix]

always ilvl on weapon

[cerulean stratus]

is it worth reclearing first 4 and chimaerus if ur on lura now

[hoary river]

Ok, was only 4 ilvl more, but I'll go with that

[cerulean stratus]

whats even good if everybody got gaze already

[proven phoenix]

vaelgors is good

[spark river]

Stare and ribbon but i believe the guilds on lura are done with reclears

[fervent mica]

2 raid slots still good for a lot of people. 4 bosses should take like an hour max... Yeah?

[cerulean stratus]

its fine

reclearing then back to 40 wipes in first 2 min of lura

[ember folio]

Login osrs

[cerulean stratus]

thats a no

[dreamy quail]

is there a new "guide" persay for dmg? or kinda just get all dots up n maintain?

[fervent mica]

#resto message

[dreamy quail]

so still accurate even from 2025?

[fervent mica]

It's updated. Linked in the resources post

[dreamy quail]

oh sweet, sorry ab that, ty!

[ember folio]

Normally I'm right there with you but this league got me good. At work running remote desktop back to my home pc to keep 2 accounts logged in afk grinding

[radiant narwhal]

@proven phoenix

[proven phoenix]

wow

good work

[flat latch]

||Damn nice parse||

Hellooooo
I'm new to resto druide and have some question
Yes I saw the pinned messages, the build on wow head and a lot of discussion but I'm still missing some part of the class

First of all is it possible to only "heal" as a resto in general without ooming ?
I saw that one of the way is the Master Shapeshifter talent but is there other alternative than that or just cast less spell ?

In wow head the build between raid swap Owl and Cat talent tree, is that really impactful ?

[grand herald]

Mana usage is pretty much determined by how much you use abundance or not

In raid you dont dps

[flat latch]

So depending on it I can use Mastershapesifter, or it's still a go to ?

[grand herald]

If you are having mana problems go MS yes

But if you are using abundance properly, you shouldnt have mana problems

At least on most fights

[silent sentinel]

Dont use the build on wowhead its terrible.... Its the first time where I have just full blown gone entirely away form it because its so bad lol. So are half the enchant suggestions. Id suggest looking at the top resto healers builds and stuff if you want an idea of what good builds look like. When I was using the wowhead build I was healing very weak and out of mana so fast it was crazy. I didnt understand how other healers still had so much mana 😛 then I went with the other builds and now I top heal by a lot and have like half my mana sometimes at the end of long boss fights.

[sudden rover]

Damn shots fired

[flat latch]

Thank you for the big answer, I've step down a bit out of wow head too
I made a build with scrap from what I read here, but know that I think of it maybe I have a weird mix of mythic + and raid xD
But I see most of the people on murlock with cat, and form what i read here it's not that big of a difference of using owl
Andddddd I'm not that interested to do "damage" if i'm required then sadge I'll deal with it later i guess

[silent sentinel]

Yeah I dont understand what wowhead is trying to do trying to throw rsto druis into cat form lol. I didnt take a single one of the melee talents lol. its idiotic

Another thing ivbe never seen a resto druid do a single time in mythic raids

[desert kayak]

[rotund geode]

what hps do you guys get in like a MC /14

[desert kayak]

this is nonsense btw and the talent build has very little impact on performance compared to your actual ability to press buttons. also ending fights at half mana is a sign of bad gameplay too. and you absolutely do use cat abilities in raid to generate mana if you need to.

[silent sentinel]

^ wrong lol

I mean if you arent min maxing in mythic raiding then sure i guess...

[desert kayak]

... ?

the only time you do it is in mythic raiding

i'm happily doing it on my mythic lura prog currently

i'd advise against making condescending comments with no basis in reality though cause someone less kind will probably come along and flame you

@proven phoenix

[proven phoenix]

cant believe you're tagging me in...

[silent sentinel]

Pull up the top 100 players and look at the resto builds. it will prove everything I say lol.

[proven phoenix]

we've already been through this before with that guy tbh

its not worth it

[desert kayak]

it's 2am, Torty is asleep

[proven phoenix]

I am top 100 player

more like top 20

actually

but everyone plays apex man

like

[desert kayak]

Yes also hof raider here

[silent sentinel]

in the world...

[proven phoenix]

yeah

[silent sentinel]

lol rightttttttttttttttttt

[proven phoenix]

the wowhead guides are fine

I dont really understand what you mean, I kinda think you're just baiting for reacts at this point because earlier you were in here arguing that the apex just sucks

"no good druids play apex"

when every single druid raiding seriously is playing apex right now

[median marsh]

joined the discord 1 day ago to ragebait

[desert kayak]

ye i guess it can only be bait

or incurable stupidity

[proven phoenix]

I think you need to also drop the ego a bit ngl

[main timber]

That's so crazy to say when everyone is playing the same build and it's the wowhead build

[proven phoenix]

a lot of people talking in this chat are fairly good players

your only sources are "top druids"

you are talking to top druids

your own source refutes what you say

[flat latch]

Soooooo
I'll guess i need to learn how to play cat ?

[proven phoenix]

no you dont really play cat in that sense

in terms of cat the only thing I do is hotw for 5 combo points and use a rip on the boss

every 2 minutes

thats more than enough mana

[flat latch]

ahhhhhh

[desert kayak]

yeah it's really only for mana and infrequently

[zenith current]

i tried some pugs with this build and it felt weak for failure healing (i could just be bad and still learning better manage call of the elder druid for swing dps healing) dorki-thunderchicken-build
I'm thinking of adjusting like this to pick up thriving veg and nature's bounty.. thoughts?

This is to go boom weaving vs cat weaving

[proven phoenix]

if you are struggling with healing just throw the entire doc, starfire thing out of the window

although you should still be able to heal fine with it

both thriving and natures bounty are good talents but they are not the difference maker

[main timber]

Just play the wowhead build. You don't really need to change stuff until niche scenarios in high keys

[proven phoenix]

if you are struggling on healing its because you are doing something fundamentally wrong

[zenith current]

these were particularily bad pugs w/ no interrupts, kiting head hunters, lots of split aggro, nonstop failure healing basically

[proven phoenix]

it should still be fine

well

depends on the key level

[zenith current]

just a 12

[proven phoenix]

this spec has an absurd amount of healing, everything in a 12 is healable

there's very little failure damage thats just entirely unhealable (barring one shots of course)

[zenith current]

i'm probably just terribad at resto healing, i have no problems with 12-14's with my mistweave/restosham but i'm just struggling w/ druid

[lyric surge]

if you're actually using healing buttons and not trying to just spam starfire your way through it, though

[proven phoenix]

yes that too

[lyric surge]

doc isn't gonna carry you through failure damage

[proven phoenix]

please stop the starfire spam and learn the spec itself first

[lyric surge]

but if you're using SM's > sotf properly, you shoudl have no issues

[zenith current]

so i basically sm on cd unless i have a reason not to, doubt i'm leveraging sotf properly

[proven phoenix]

you really just use it as often as you can

thats the best way to leverage it

[flat latch]

Do you use Innervate on yourself ?

[proven phoenix]

yeah

[flat latch]

I guess when you are 70% mana ?
Or on cd ?

[zenith current]

i took innv off because i'm not having mana issues w/ this spec but otherwise yah i innv / pot early (as long as i'll get full value)

[harsh quail]

dusk is talking raid, you are talking m+

[zenith current]

yeah sorry i wasn't clear, in raid iits quite different and i innv /pot early

[flat latch]

I'll talk m+ too because I want to learn but yeah, was finishing the talent tree for raid

[zenith current]

the way i try to think about stuff like that is if i use it early and can still get full value, then i'll get more activates over time which means more output

[flat latch]

fair enough

So you quickly pass in cat for mana in raid, but in M +
owl or basic ?

[sudden rover]

Go whatever u enjoy

Some top druids are playing cat, others doc

It literally doesnt matter

[fervent mica]

If you're doing caster dps it's from no form.

[sudden rover]

Lairas switches to boomy for dos

Dps

And she does 21s

[lyric surge]

moonkin form generally nto considered good for dps cuz you trade 6% haste + 4% magic damage for mastery and 10% magic damage

you'll likely do a lot better with the haste

[fervent mica]

No one ever accused high key pushers of doing things correctly. Skill beats it out every time

[vast rapids]

to be fair if you're doing low keys and enjoying dps go for it, but overall it's completely unnecessary for healers to damage this season, Chinese teams are timing 22s, with healer overall dps at 10-15k. Pretty much most trash pack have high hps requirements and group dps needed to time key is relatively chill

so best to make sure no one is dying and tip into overhealing to minimize death than min max damage at expense of healing

[flat latch]

Also, I was wondering in term of trinket, isn't Nevermelting Ice crystal good ?

Yeah I don't really want to dps that much, mainly make sure people are alive

[vast rapids]

I've been enjoying the comfort of caster build allowing master shapeshifter to allow infinite rejuv blanketing with no concerns about mana, and sending Heart of the wild in cat for decent ST damage

I've been pugging 18-19s though so it helps to over do it on healing because some DPS still somehow dont know how to remove those nasty snare dots in seat/NPX/Pit. I make sure to whisper them at the end with feedback about how their class can remove and they're like on thx didnt know. how did they prog to 18s range without knowing this is beyond me

[harsh quail]

Iam currently at the stage of getting angry at warlocks that dont banish in seat 🙃

[fervent mica]

very bad

[vast rapids]

Banish is a must for that key I will not run seat without a warlock but yep, was helping a friend on 17 yesterday and PUG lock didn’t even have banish talented and did not once remove chains of subjugation. The only time I had lifebloom full time on a warlock…

Also died 4 times to balls in the 3rd boss area and missed beam on Lura. We still timed it somehow 💀

[flat latch]

well that's clear

[soft dagger]

how ragebait guy still exist in 2026. wowhead guides not only for druids but for all classes have help tremendous number of players to get a start with their classes/specs. Ofc as you learn and become more adept you will and encourage to adjust talents as you want/need.

[soft dagger]

i am on quest of doing nothing, really doing nothing. Just pure healing and afk see how far i can go. Currently at 17-18, its just for the lol. If i am doing 5k dps overall thats bad for me. I want to do no damage and see how it goes. After years of dps as healers this season I have made doing 0 dps my mission lol

[vast rapids]

22s are being timed with healer dps on 10-15k so wasting global on damage in unpredictable pug keys doesnt seem to be the play this season

[gentle charm]

since hotw is off gcd, could you do a boomkin -> hotw->cancelform off gcd macro?

would be fun to throw some ez trash dps out

[thorn plover]

Boomkin hotw isn't even worth the gcd

[gentle charm]

hey its ranged and good on mega pulls

[marsh prism]

no its not

[pulsar kettle]

prob still better to cat hotw a prio target.

[oak garnet]

Anyone doing keys at a respectable level is focusing a prio target nearly every pull

And cat feral frenzy is the only thing you should be using

[marsh prism]

mosdt respectable level is 12

ok sorry im eating breakfast rn ill simmer down

[lyric surge]

what's for breakfast?

[marsh prism]

everything bagel with avocado

[pearl basalt]

Refresh LB at what 4.5 sec remaining?

[marsh prism]

yes

[pearl basalt]

ok double checking

[limpid jacinth]

playing RSham after RDruid feels so static ooof

[thorn plover]

I started playing mine again last week and I was like... What do I do with all my spare time

[flat latch]

Does the refresh work with Swiftmend ?

[limpid jacinth]

just give Druids Lust and Skyfury so I don’t have to play this shit 😤

[limpid jacinth]

No. VI extension does not proc bloom nor does it change pandemic window.

[scarlet epoch]

Thats my problem with shaman too. It feels sooooo slow

[soft dagger]

Shaman still the best healer for pug. I see so many groups wait 30 minutes for a shaman. Some wants restro shaman even they have lust already for the windfury buff if they run physical comps. Also Shaman can fix dog shit dps making mistake much faster then druid ever be.

Raider IO top healers are misleading since 90% of them are Chinese and Chinese love rdruid. Elsewhere esp NA Shaman dominate

[flat latch]

What is VI ? (Sorry for maybe dumb question kek)

[soft dagger]

Verdant Infusion

[thorn plover]

It's super strong

[pulsar kettle]

when skyfury is worth 10% for specs like ret and arms, obviously you see it forced.

[limpid jacinth]

yeah, trying to get into 20 pugs in NA, the writing is kind of on the wall regarding shaman

hence why im messing around on mine on the days when LFG is slower

Groups either doing the phy comp or wanting to run UDK+DDH+Demo

[soft dagger]

yeah my warrior guildmate told me its like 10% of his demolish with the shaman buff

[vivid kraken]

Is there a final say yet on if its worth to go back to the tree build for raid or stay on stalker with the apex and photosynth?

[pulsar kettle]

it's rage generation, without skyfury ur literally afk waiting for rage on pure st sometimes

for ret it's an absolutely absurd amount of holy power generation

[flat latch]

In that case should I not use Swintmend on a Lifebloom target just to refresh it when it's under 4.5 ?
and If so on who I use swintmend, the one with the most hot ? on directly in the beginning ?

[limpid jacinth]

You generally do want to use SM on whomever you have LB’d, yes.

In raid, yourself. In keys, varies based upon damage and squishiness.

[flat latch]

So I use in mainly in the beggining before Lifebloom start to drop

[royal helm]

I lb myself in raid, parsing 90s but Im curious about how much value you lose on the pandemic bloom doing so

Is it worth the gcds lost

[limpid jacinth]

Yes, it’s worth it. Photo blooms and saved GCDs from HoT extension more than make up for it.

[limpid jacinth]

Use SM basically on cooldown.

[flat latch]

k k

Thanks a lot

[late pine]

Are we trash tier now with nerfs?

[limpid jacinth]

Yes. Should probably uninstall.

[fleet jewel]

reroll hpal

[late pine]

Holy priest it is

[tender shuttle]

hi guys, in the higher keys i was wondering do you guys use nature swiftness paired with convoke?

[marsh prism]

no

[tender shuttle]

or use swiftness with swiftmend proc

[marsh prism]

not an interaction any longer

[tender shuttle]

but this is viable?

[limpid jacinth]

Are you asking if SotF and NS stack?

[tender shuttle]

yeah

[limpid jacinth]

Yes, the bonuses to Regrowth stack.

[tender shuttle]

omg been pushing keys this whole time using NS and convoke

[limpid jacinth]

Now you know

[marsh prism]

it just changed

[tender shuttle]

appreciate you guys

this discord group is mad handy ❤️

[west topaz]

playing dpriest after either feels so violent and effortless

like why am i literally effortless now wtf, im all pressing a million buttons on rdudu and i just press void shield on dpriest

pepega

[limpid jacinth]

shadowmend is crazier than void shield tbh

[west topaz]

ya

[limpid jacinth]

the beauty of Druid, to me, is that I can shit out infinite healing at anytime without needing procs or cooldowns

as long as I’ve prepped, I can keep everyone alive

whereas other healers can live and die by procs and CDs

[west topaz]

i like all the healers

every expac i rotate around

[limpid jacinth]

I hate holy priest and resto shaman

love the rest

[west topaz]

oh we dont talk about hpriest

i forgot they existed

lmaooo

[flat latch]

What the problem with holy priest ?

[limpid jacinth]

feels boring to me

that’s all

nothings “wrong” with it

[flat latch]

I see

[west topaz]

several expac in a row they are garbo tbh

or shit like theyre not good in keys but only good in raid (often bad at either)

[flat latch]

Okey

[plain rampart]

where are the taaaaaaanks
man, this is so bad this xp

[scarlet epoch]

Proc based healing feels like ass because you never get them when you need them

When will Blizzard stop making heals luck based on some classes...

[unique sedge]

Does mw also rely on procs and cds and cant shit healing at anytime?

[unique sedge]

Bad kit, as in , bad external, bad defensives, bad movement, and healing just doesnt get past some checks sometimes

[hazy spoke]

Is convoke just the better choice in raid now compared to tree of life?

[grand herald]

tree of life is really good in keeper

we dont go keeper now

[hazy spoke]

And when the nerfs happen, still going wildstalker right?

[grand herald]

no idea

[flat latch]

ty for precision

[unique sedge]

I keep saying, they are still being punished for shadowlands

[unique sedge]

What key level tho?

[west topaz]

10-15

not goin above that for alts

so it's like a 'yea ofc'

[unique sedge]

Tbh i felt the same when i played my priest , but i havent gone last 15

But proc based is ughh

The procs are insane af tho. Void shield and mend? Holy shit

But they’re procs

[west topaz]

i dont mind ig

procbrain

generally it just seems like i have p good luck with procs in this game so i see them enough and consistently, esp once you fix all the substats anyway

[unique sedge]

I still dont know how to heal vexamus as druid. Just timed a 19 algethar and it felt like shit (no deaths but felt like i was struggling)

[stray cipher]

The apex is a random proc but you can guarantee one every 30s. But it's not played in keys and does fuck all in raid so not a big deal

[wicked jetty]

Is there a pin for spending voidcores? (Druid alt)

[hardy canopy]

the mana bombs do feel like shit no matter what you're doing if you take it raw

on 20 you get oneshot without a wall

[wicked jetty]

Like NPX is a no brainer for cores for wep, but other than that im not sure

Also the ring and gloves to tier

[unique sedge]

Wall?

[hardy canopy]

defensive

actually i just checked and i die without ursine vigor even in a 19

[unique sedge]

I feel like its oneshot even with defensives

[hardy canopy]

you really need to have something for every mana bomb

[rustic spear]

ello friends, is there a macro or a way to keybind cancelling the grove guardians? (the little treants)

[unique sedge]

Yeah i usually prep rejuvenations at the 9 second mark before the bombs, regrowths, swiftmend and ns regrowth if i dont have convoke or tranq

[stable verge]

So if want to heal more do I stack more mastery??

Like I really don’t care about dmg unless I need mana lol

[boreal karma]

Yes

For m+ that is

[stable verge]

I mainly heal m+

QE was saying haste cuz it was set to raid

I was looking at murlok and everyone is staking mastery

[boreal karma]

M+ is mastery a bit better

[stable verge]

I was struggling to heal +10s

At 269 ilvl that shouldn’t be a problem

Maisara and Pit are straight up caca

[main timber]

Yeah that won't have anything to do with your stats

[stable verge]

Totally

I guess I was panicking

So much dmg

Should be spamming rejuv when there’s a lot of movement and a lot of dmg happening?

Also, is there a better way to track the HOTs? I’ve seen using stock ui with mouse overs

[stiff ruin]

So are we cooked with the nerfs?

[stable verge]

Good question

I doubt it

That ain’t gonna make the other classes heal better

[pulsar kettle]

no

[marsh prism]

no

[marsh prism]

ignore website

[versed hemlock]

Do keep in mind, in low keys a lot of the healing is from dps/tanks failing mechanics.

[marsh prism]

bro could also possibly maybe be bad

[stable verge]

Yea I ran maisara with a different grp and it was cake

So I was very confused tonight

[stray cipher]

Check out Danders, you can create your own aura icons

[stable verge]

Could be lol

What is the best way to utilize swiftmend+VI ?

[versed hemlock]

Of course that is possible, but not particularly helpful. A lot of what separates a good healer from a great one is being able to adapt and keep people alive even when they seem determined to kill themselves.

But, if you are running dungeons and are confused why the damage seems to be insane all of a sudden, it's probably because somebody missed an interrupt.

[plain steeple]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes

You should read this.

And the guides.

[stable verge]

Thanks

We were carrying a squishy dps…..

240 in a +10 ain’t all that great

[plain steeple]

We started with levelling gear into +10.

~220 on everyone

[stable verge]

Dang

[plain steeple]

It’s manageable.

[stable verge]

I’m sure it wasn’t doing giant lust pulls

And ppl missing interrupts

[grand herald]

yeah that should be fine

at 269 it should be trivial even with a terrible group

[stable verge]

What does that mean?

[proven phoenix]

the swiftmend would be spell queued right after the regrowth and the regrowth would gain sotf

instead of the rejuv after

[radiant narwhal]

@proven phoenix whats a nice haste to play in raid

mine feels a little low

[proven phoenix]

as much as you can get

[radiant narwhal]

yeah cool

[proven phoenix]

I have like 35% or something and I want more

[radiant narwhal]

I think I sit 32% and it feels ass

[livid hearth]

A question regarding second boss of skyreach.

We did our first 12 skyreach yesterday and wiped once on this boss because we couldnt soak entire energize so boss killed us with supernova.

I use defensive for first 1 or 2 energize but from 3rd or something i still feel like i should run out mid energize as i see that im dying soon. We killed on second try with lust tho

Should my resto friend rotate his healing cooldowns for each energize?

Any advice appreciated

[formal fjord]

Curious as to why you would want to?

[west topaz]

people used to do that to get incarn to cdr faster

but i thought we just play convoke anyway so i havent thought about it in a while

[plain steeple]

These beams barely do damage tbh

Especially on a 12 you get 2 hots out and go in cat to deal dmg

[livid hearth]

Could clarify that im a mage? Idk as soon as i reach like 30% from soaking beam i run out

[livid hearth]

Could also clarify my friend is new to the game but still doing good but he could be not doublehotting prebeam like u said

[plain steeple]

These beams shall be soaked, not ran out of.
You should survive a soak on a 12 without external healing even.
If your healer presses any buttons, you should not drop below 90% hp.

[stable verge]

Gatoweaving still viable?

[west topaz]

its easy few gcds to even reactively hot for that boss

he just needs to press buttons harder because the lasers dont hurt that bad

if he wants to sotf the rg after then thats cool too

[plain steeple]

On a 12 I definitely don’t actively heal the beams. I just have my hots out and chill in catform.

[west topaz]

healer can take a beam fine too

yea

[stable verge]

Does cat extend ur heals or just dmg

[plain steeple]

Just damage, it doesn’t do anything for your heals

[livid hearth]

Ok i can maybe tell my friend to prehot double rejuv on playets before every beam kinda?

Its our first 12 skyreach so we hadnt learned the incoming dmg

[plain steeple]

Nah that’s not how to play.
Tell him to read the pinned guides in here.

And the common mistakes section on QuestionablyEpic.

[west topaz]

he should be doing that even on your weekly 10s

yes, prehot

its better for him to overheal and go crazy with HoT and bite back the mana in catform to learn how to not oom

[livid hearth]

I thought i read all the resources and told him. Is there dungeon specific resto guides too?

[west topaz]

you can spread rejuv really fast btw if you swiftmend then rejuv splash it

[livid hearth]

Ok ty

[west topaz]

wild growth on cd, it is aoe healing

[plain steeple]

Not that I’m aware of.

[livid hearth]

Yeah thats what im thinking

[west topaz]

LB anybody, usually the tank

LB on cd

[livid hearth]

Btw do u reset with lifebloom? I thouhht u extended it with swiftmend off cd if possible

Extend i mean

[west topaz]

use swiftmend on cd on anything, he needs to be tracking abundance so it's gonna look like 10 stacks or something when maxxed in m+

[livid hearth]

Yeah i made a buff/cooldown tracking profile so he should be able to see abundance stacks with number with cooldown manager

[plain steeple]

Your tips are a bit weird tbh.
You don’t have to track abundance in M+ and you don’t play for abundance actively.

[west topaz]

you should "bloom" the lifebloom with lifebloom itself, you could swiftmend the LB person if you want

yea you dont, but its a fun minigame for newbie resto who are under 15s

cause it forces them to actually keep rejuv up

a lot

[plain steeple]

Very misleading if you tell others to spam rejuvs out of their lives.

[livid hearth]

Ok, i can tell him ti have high abundance on dangeous bosses, otherwise he go oom if he does constantly righr?

[plain steeple]

But I have to leave now.

[livid hearth]

Ty for the tips

[west topaz]

the balance is not going oom obv

[plain steeple]

Please tell your mate to read the guides and especially the common mistakes section.

[west topaz]

some people learn by doing anyway

he might be hesitating too much and not ABC enough, just tell him to prehot at least

[livid hearth]

I found him a build of top druid on the log where he does catform singletarget and boomkin aoe. Also talent dont use wrath mana regen because single target catform. We use the faster hot dot talent

[west topaz]

cause you probably suspect he's unable to keep up if he doesnt know what to press, he has no flow

[livid hearth]

Ok ty

[west topaz]

but pressing anything is better than nothing

[livid hearth]

Ah u meant balance mana spending not balance druid form mb

[west topaz]

i mean even the wowhead build is fine tho

yea

if he hates catweaving, its ok cause all he has to do is briefly go into cat form to get 5 cb points to bite the mana back, then shift back out with a heal. dont shift manually

[livid hearth]

What talent gives mana back with bite? No hes fine with it. He chose to play this build with single target catform

[west topaz]

uhhh i think its in the lower section, master shapeshifter

[livid hearth]

Yeah we arent running that talent when i said this. Its the talent that restores mana with wrath too right?

[livid hearth]

This

Yep its optional talent with liveliness and the talent qe run uses liveliness.

[west topaz]

??? last week we used it, did it change again

rip

well whatever at least you can run whatever you want and time a 15

idk if owlweaving is friendly for new healers, theyre already overwhelmed with all the shifting just into cat alone

[unique sedge]

@livid hearth tell your mate that you do need to prehot heal checks, usually sotf rejuv is enough, but if he doesnt feel confident enough, double rejuv will be fine. On the skyreach 2nd boss, i lb one of the targets that are soaking (for ex me, i always soaked the beam and it was fine in a 20) and regrowth spam the others. Convoke and tranq usually on the set before solar nova, and dont forget defensivesz

[livid hearth]

Nah its a build i found on top chinese resto

[livid hearth]

Asked him if he wantst to caster dpa only but he was fine qith this talent

[west topaz]

i wouldnt listen to top chinese build unless you go compare the talents and really understand what they did there

cause chinese builds are notorious for being degenerate

[livid hearth]

So they dont solarnova after each beam?

[unique sedge]

Nope

[livid hearth]

Yeah i asked around here read the logs casts and got answer they si gletarget catform and aoe boomking so im not blindly copying as i said

[unique sedge]

Also if a beam goes into boss, it gets 1% more dmg for every tick

[west topaz]

honestly the tank shouldnt take a beam anyway btw if thats half the issue

[thorn whale]

I think prehotting with SOTF Rejuv is kinda bad unless you have time for SM to come back up before the dmg event

[west topaz]

cause he has the job of the line aoe

[topaz nest]

tank can always soak for ~3 seconds after pointing both frontal away

[west topaz]

he should have time to just regular rejuv

[topaz nest]

Ranged with easy movement (dragon or BM) can mitigate 50% of dmg on that fight by moving between lines

[unique sedge]

Eh its a 12, they gotta do what they gotta do to make the heal check. I’ve been heavily using it on regrowth since in started doing 18+

[west topaz]

sotf rejuv is if youre adhd druid player and youre like woopsie i forgot

which is like half this playerbase so whatever

reactive rdudu'ing

[thorn whale]

In 12s everything goes

[west topaz]

lol

[unique sedge]

But in a 12 i barely cast regrowrh xD

[west topaz]

in a 12 you can barely tranquility too

[unique sedge]

Beams are fine but the fcking dots from last boss are insane

[unique sedge]

In a 12 starfire is the only button on my actionbar

[west topaz]

[unique sedge]

Have you logged that dungeon?

[west topaz]

we have to remember what its like to be new so sotf rejuv honestly does help new people

like when theyre panicking and they have nothing out

catting too long probably

ideally they should have the timeline addon or blizzard timeline thing turned on and watch the events

[livid hearth]

i can find the message

[unique sedge]

Yeah , its a learning curve, but ur mate will get there, aronnax

Just gotta be prepared for incoming dmg

[livid hearth]

discussion started here and @main timber answered me through, i even linked the log of the guys run as voulk asked me to check and i even screenshotted his total cast of each spell in said dungeon etc

[livid hearth]

yeah will take it up ty

[livid hearth]

yeah now we know that soak is huge dps taken we can prehoat or healing cooldown that part im thinking

ty for the helps

[topaz nest]

do not blindly follow top Chinese players if you are just doing 12s

[unique sedge]

Its usually some secret tech not available to the public yet on those builds

[livid hearth]

i litrerally said im not blindly following and linked the discussion i studied and u repeat it

idk man

if i was blindly following i would copy the guide and casterdps with it or moonkin dps with it, i went through his casts and why he didnt use wrath etc

[west topaz]

mfw am chinese player and i dont even understand w t f theyre doing

[livid hearth]

ofc im not researched or log reader but at least i did my due without blindly copying

[unique sedge]

I meant, do u have a log for ur 12 skyreach?

[livid hearth]

thats a rly good question, i wanted to start logging but havent learned or spent my time to start logging yet

next thing i should do for sure. ty for reminding

I only log read from our guild runs to paste on wow analyzer but we havent started logging our own runs

[unique sedge]

It’ll really help figuring out some stuff, i am not a log reader either but i’ve learned to track a few things

[livid hearth]

some people said dungeon logs are scuffed or something but i am plannig to start logging

[west topaz]

i just have raider io program and it helps do logging but people with dbm i think also log...? you also make sure Advanced Combat Logging is toggled on in options iirc

[unique sedge]

Yeah u dont look at the parse , cuz its subjective af

[west topaz]

its been a while since ive had to think about it

[topaz nest]

There is functionally nothing to gain here for a mage player who doesn't play resto asking for tips for a friend without bringing logs imo like at most u get some general advice

[west topaz]

ya maybe your friend should come in here

then we can braid his hair and whisper him druid secrets

[topaz nest]

Like this + the tank being able to soak after baiting both frontal is general advice

You'll gain more from applying this than randomly sprouting platitudes to your friend and hoping they change

[livid hearth]

again to give enough information. I am passionate enough for my newbie friend to learn the game that i leveld a resto druid to 80 alt and read through all the guides and teach him how to play his druid and ask questions around here.

im not a random mage who just talks random stuff withtu knowing anything.

I literally read through entire wowhead icyvens guide here and read through all resources here

maybe i sound like im forcing my friend but my friend would listen to my advices but he isnt experienced enough or socuial enough to go in here and start asking questions and stuff

[west topaz]

ok

[topaz nest]

You are in very desperate need of logs

[west topaz]

if it feels like he isnt prehotting enough then there you go, that's already big problem

[livid hearth]

yep for sure

ill start fixingg that

[livid hearth]

yeah i think with you guys' help we will time our next skyreach 12 having fixed last mistakes hopefully

[west topaz]

WG on cd, never drop LB, ask him if hes been consistent

[livid hearth]

and will have started logging xD

[livid hearth]

yeah i read his log from raid and lb was his biggest flaw. Wild growth looked fine

i can log our raid run, im theeighthone and he is varcolac

[west topaz]

yes LB absolutely cannot drop

blizzard made our LB like extra important this season using the Apex talents

[unique sedge]

Lb and swiftmend most important buttons

[livid hearth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KPCkNXLy7QFGYwRM

[torn tendon]

big dumb feral palyer question, what makes your rejuve change to a different icon and what does it do?

[livid hearth]

i pasted it on wowanalyzer and his flaw was low uptime and not extending lb as often etc and some more stuff

[west topaz]

if for whatever reason he isnt soaking a beam, he can just stand in the efflo circle with the guy who does have LB

[unique sedge]

Is ur friend Vârcolac?

[zenith lantern]

If it helps him, there are some way to have better LB tracking, I have LBReminder setup with voiceline to bloom when it’s under pandemic and shout really loudly if I ever let it drop

[topaz nest]

Your friend has unbelievably low CPM on every boss

Like they should be at mid-high 50s and some boss they're barely breaking 35

[livid hearth]

yes

[unique sedge]

Soul of the forest, the talent that makea rejuvs/regrowths stronger after a swiftmend cast

[livid hearth]

oh voice announcement ty. I have fixed him a good cooldown and buff tracked with cooldown manager

[livid hearth]

yeah pasted the log into wowanalyzer and his uptime was rly low as i saw

[west topaz]

means he's freaking out and hesitating too much, overthinking too much, he needs to vibe-play more

too much brain, need to feel vibes

[unique sedge]

I can speak his language , maybe i can help him in our mother tongue xD

[livid hearth]

oh are you romanian? hahah

[unique sedge]

Ye

[west topaz]

spamming rejuv is better than not pressing anything at all

tbh

[livid hearth]

ok if its ok we will hit u up some evening for sure xD

[west topaz]

even on people who are already full

[livid hearth]

but he is fine with english and swedish. But its funny to know that

[unique sedge]

Any cast is better than not casting anything

[west topaz]

yea

so this is exactly why its "ok" for newer druid to just spam anything and then learn to calm down lol

he must explode in green

if hes having super trouble with mana you can tell him to flex talent back to Innervate until he gets his bearings then flex out

cause its still learning purpose

only people with a better grasp dont need innervate in m+ anymore rn

training wheel

[livid hearth]

Yeah i think hes fine with mana in m+ like only once per dungeon he need to sit and drink before a pull but never goes oom mid pull

[unique sedge]

Also bear form as a defensive + frenzied regen saves some mana bcs it doesnt use mana

For himself ofc

[livid hearth]

ah yeah he forgot about that i think altho i mentioned it long time ago, im certain hes not used to bearform to defensive

[unique sedge]

Lets say he gets targeted by the volleys in maisara 1st boss or windrunner last boss. Bear and frenzied is op af

[livid hearth]

thats a good example. Ty will mention that

[unique sedge]

Magma surge from masks, the elephant roar in maisara. Many things to play around with, just dont convoke in bear form

[livid hearth]

yeah, read here always convoke in human form to heal if not to dps as catform which almost never happens

[unique sedge]

I’ve been doing some unorthodox convokes in bear in magisters and algethar

[west topaz]

lmao "whos the tank now bih, thats right its me"

[unique sedge]

I went up to 70k dps!

[west topaz]

same

[unique sedge]

But the sound of ironfur icks my brain

[west topaz]

but i kinda do it accidentally then it looks like i meant to do it

in maisara im the one who grabs the freezing trap and it stops the elephant

im also an engie so i turn off some of the lasers in nexus

[unique sedge]

Doesnt it still cast the roar after it gets out of the stun

[west topaz]

it will try

but delay is ok if you need breathing room ig

same concept as a dk gripping some dude over n over cause his int is down

[unique sedge]

I’ve looked at kira’s 22 maisara, and they survive the roar with zephyr , evoker’s breath shield, evoker has the avoidance talent on hover

All at 40%

And druid just bear form

[west topaz]

i think we all prehot before anything bad happens there anyway

[unique sedge]

In that pull, the way kira does it, nothing damages the team besides the roar, but i made some calculations with the roar being 633k (it could be more), and i couldnt figure out how are they so healthy after the cast

[tough portal]

And zephyr

Zephyr is group wide why we counting that only for the evoker lol

Yall funny

[unique sedge]

Im pretty sure i said “they survive with just zephyr”

[west topaz]

yes

then when barkskin is happening, you get to sprinkle your lil flowergirl basket on everyone's toes~

[onyx trail]

FLOWERGIRL BASKET YIPPIE

[unique sedge]

The flowers are annoying af

[onyx trail]

[unique sedge]

the flowers from bursting growth as well, they are too many

[onyx trail]

🍖 too juicy 🦞 too buttery

[proven phoenix]

mad about too many flowers

[unique sedge]

they clutter my character

just useless visual clutter

[west topaz]

dont play frost dk then it's so much worse

at start of Midnight they made remorseless winter the most godawful png that follows you around

[unique sedge]

i dont even plan to

[formal fjord]

totally

[rustic coyote]

Question related to m+ (+16-above): do you haste flask or mastery? Furthermore, how do you heal leeching void in Seat? Do you always hold SM? One I can insta heal with sotf + ns + reg. If I hold too long my sm+sotf people just take shix ton of damage. I feel sometimes reg being not strong enough, even if usually they have min 2 hots on

[scarlet epoch]

According to a very wise pug tank 100k dps each for all 3 is enough to time any +17. Thoughts?

[thorn whale]

As soon as you see who it's on, move LB and double rejuv and pray you catch up

you can ironbark too to give yourself more time

[fervent mica]

i love haste... so just take more haste. you can see the cast on the target and swap lb/prep sotf

[rustic coyote]

What if sometimes you struggle to see the target? I elaborate: sometimes mobs nameplates overlap and I have to extrafocus to get who is the target (delaying my actions), do you have specific addons to address?

[topaz cedar]

yes if you enjoy misery

[patent pagoda]

Hey all, I'm new to resto druid and I've been doing m+ exclusively at the moment, is there any special tech with lifebloom? at the moment I am just leaving it on the tank and relying on blooms to heal but it feels like I should be moving it round?

[rustic coyote]

Regrowth itself seems to take ages to full the shield

[scarlet epoch]

I usually treat lifebloom as an external. It goes to whoever gets the most dangerous cast/mechanic. That is more than enough to keep that target alive in most situations.

[rustic coyote]

If lifebloom + 2x reju + regrowth + wg is not enough, then it is not my fault in a +16 you mean?

It happened to not be able to keep someone up with all the hots and reg spam I have

[fervent mica]

barely timed a +15 npx earlier with all the dps doing over 100k... lock only did 107, war at 112 and i did 152 on my rat pally...

[unique sedge]

What mechanic are u talking about

[rustic coyote]

Double glaive in MGT for example

[unique sedge]

Like 2 stacks on a person?

[scarlet epoch]

I enjoy running oom every pull because casts are going off everywhere and dangerous aoe trash isnt dead by the time i run out of buttons

[rustic coyote]

or first big pull left in nexus. The tank had 20 stacks of debuff shield I could not keep it up with everything i have

[scarlet epoch]

[rustic coyote]

yep

[fervent mica]

mana isn't real

[scarlet epoch]

I mostly cheese glaive with meld if its on me

[unique sedge]

First of all, that shouldnt happen, and i doubt someone can be kept alive with 2 stacks of it and no defensive

[rustic coyote]

Well, I am tauren unfortunately, I am thinking to switch NE

[scarlet epoch]

NE is a must for qol in higher keys

[rustic coyote]

I wish dwarf could learn druid

I must say that I started this season seriously deeping in m+. I was back in S3 TWW as hunter after long rest since draenor (Always raid heal druid and shaman before)

still getting into how to proper heal in m+ that is different from raid

[scarlet epoch]

I enjoy meld drinking and canceling dangerous casts

[rustic coyote]

is it dps fault if it happens?

I should deep too in how all the trash mechanics work

[stable verge]

Expect on lower keys, if there is two stacks of glaives and no external/defensive or even health pot is used then yeah that's kinda dps fault, or yours for not throwing ironbark

[topaz cedar]

isthat even possible i thought it just refreshes the dot

for the glaive

[unique sedge]

No, that only happens if tank pulls 3 spellbreakers or chains into the next ones while bleed just got casted. Its unlucky but without defensive they’re a goner

[unique sedge]

It refreshes the dot and adds a stack

[scarlet epoch]

Yep, depends on key level tho

[unique sedge]

I think in a 16 u still need a defensive for the 2 stacks. In an 18 they would tick 160-170k with 2 stacks

Usually the whole party has the bleed when this happens

[rustic coyote]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qG7Fr1VyfkLK6HzB?fight=1&type=healing This is a no timed +16 seat by 1 sec. Any tips and suggestions welcomed to improve my playing style and perform better

[stable verge]

outch

[rustic coyote]

it hurts, but that's fine. I feel I am still missing something in druid playstyle that soon I will hit a wall

like I might also +17 resi, but +18 or above might be hard to hit

[candid peak]

Guys, startend to Play higher keys, Are there any Moments where you put your symbiotic thing on squishier dps rather than the tank?

[stable verge]

Well for one thing you did not put on symbiotic link to someone, and 10 bark in 34min may not be that much. But I don't have much time to go deep into it. From the amount of deaths and the timer, I'd say it looks like boring ass pull where I'm assuming you were not challenged that hard

failing Seat with 3 deaths is kinda odd, the timer is fairly easy, it's just that pulls hits a ton

[stable verge]

Basically 100% of the time ye

I have it on tanks for first pull of AA and MC, otherwise... I think it's mostly mage/aug or some like that

[spark river]

Those guys are awful lol

Get better dps players

[tough portal]

Bro do damage on the damage amp on Lura

Pls

[rustic coyote]

I noticed later that I had no symbiotic, because we went out and in and got removed (forgot to refresh it) my baad on that. Our paladin had a macro bug and he got at the end

[tough portal]

HOTW

[haughty ibex]

esp if ur playing RH, u should be casting ib so much more often. Throw it even if u think it’s troll. ur dps have 20iq combined tho, dh deaths could have been prevented by him just pressing blur 2 💯 anyways not rly ur fault that u didn’t time ngl

[tough portal]

HOTW it

[rustic coyote]

I was not running catweaving in that one, switched back to cat

I was wrathing

[tough portal]

Should still HOTW in cat

[spark river]

Doesnt matter

[haughty ibex]

i mean u should have def barked the dh for example when he had the bleed during the aoe, are u tracking it

[spark river]

Just hotw the boss

[stable verge]

Yeah you can typical full damage the boss until like 7s of the amp phase, then starts hotting again (or more dps into convoke)

and you'll be safe and have free dmg

[tough portal]

That's a slow ass start to the dungeon, small pulls

Your first Ironbark is 5:27 into the dungeon, you casted almost 900 basic heals, leverage your CDs bro

[stable verge]

Yeah like that few deaths and missed timer on seat is really odd, that never happens typically

[haughty ibex]

Seat timer is super super free

[rustic coyote]

Thanks, I still think that's my duty to heal better

[haughty ibex]

are u tracking well all the debuffs/bleeds on ur profile

[stable verge]

Well yeah obviously
Ironicaly you damading last boss would have made the timer ok though ahah

Although it's not "your fault" that dd did not pull/damage enough ofc

[rustic coyote]

Thanks, I will make good use of your tips. Still I have to understand how to approach better to the spec (first time pushing m+)

[rustic coyote]

Not as much I would like, I am working on my DanderFrame UI, but it is bugged and trying to figure out what is not working. Healthbar are always full

[tough portal]

He pressed 2 Blurs that pull where he died cuz he got 2 Bleeds in a row, the defensives were fine mate

[haughty ibex]

wat why don’t i see it

but i think mobile log is just so weird when is vertical

cuz i see a mini timeline and no blurs there

[tough portal]

Yeah wclogs on phone is rough

[haughty ibex]

my bad then 😔 should have barked him but idk if it was on cd

shouldnt be on? it was first pull after boss

[tough portal]

Just casting on the tank tho, tough

[rustic coyote]

for sure I could have done a way better job

[haughty ibex]

idk how danders works but i was struggling too on seat cuz people would just explode and i was clueless about why, once I started tracking bleeds, u just need to super focus ones affected by backstab, esp during the aoe

[tough portal]

Hard to blame the DPS, you have to be aware of who is taking single target mechanics and cast single target heals on them

[rustic coyote]

Ye ye, not blaming them. That's why I am asking suggestions here. I know that I have way more to learn before pointing fingers

[thorn whale]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-keysmiht-working-office-office-job-gif-3698478942521451097

[haughty ibex]

always blame dps rule n1

[rustic coyote]

what do you use to keep track of bleeds etc...

[rustic coyote]

Nah, first I have to improve my healing and awareness. Sometimes ye, dps might fail to use defensive or whatever, but I know that I also have to improve to push higher

[rustic coyote]

Thanks for the tips and your time to navigate through the logs

to all of you 😄

[tough portal]

I'm a pig not a bunny what does this mean sir

🐽

[haughty ibex]

i track w grid2 so idk anything about danders sorry

there is a way for sure to track with it too tho

[spark river]

Your eyes

Bleeds show up on all frames

[haughty ibex]

but u need to be able to see the backstab and the trio boss jump, i forgot name

[haughty ibex]

they legit didn’t for me till i messed with the options

maybe with danders is different idk

[spark river]

Showed on default and danders for me

[tough portal]

Danders has baffling defaults

[rustic coyote]

they do, just too small that I do not insta see them

[tough portal]

When they added the direct API debuff tracking in advance the default settings had basically nothing tracked so

[grizzled seal]

What's direct API debuff tracking?

[spring dune]

if you spell queue swiftmend after regrowth, does the instantly consumed sotf correctly proc on regrowth or just disappear without doing anything?

[rustic coyote]

do you have a nice profile to share?

[tough portal]

Addons cant just redirect the default raid frame debuffs anymore
Instead they have to call an API function for debuffs, and there isnt an option that gives exactly the same set of debuffs as the default frames ig?!

That's my understanding of it at least

Not 100% sure

[grizzled seal]

Ok that's a bit crazy from the dev

[scarlet epoch]

Ive been running keeper in 17s after they announced the nerf to apex and it actually feels great. Healing feels just as strong and the auto moonfires from trees are actually quite a bit of dps on its own. Am i insane for thinking/feeling its viable?

[fervent mica]

its just less healing

[thorn whale]

Insane no, wrong yes

[tough portal]

It's definitely less healing by about 1 key level worth of damage

[thorn whale]

I mean viable sure, best no

[scarlet epoch]

Interesting

[haughty ibex]

i don’t have pc with me so can’t even share mine but qe has nice default grid2, but when i imported it it wasn’t tracking bleeds and some other stuff

[scarlet epoch]

I was just testing to see if its a viable alternative should ws shit the bed tomorrow

[fervent mica]

the nerf effects kotg exactly the same...

if not more

[tough portal]

Yeah I think voulk updated it a few times whenever teh debuff tracking options were changing

[scarlet epoch]

I might have been overhealing too much anyway

[spark river]

Maybe a little insane

[grizzled seal]

The nerf will affect WS more surely

You have higher everbloom healing as WS

[scarlet epoch]

Yeah

It was only 10-12% overall as keeper

Then again i surely was overhealing a lot

[fervent mica]

they were talking about in keys

[tough portal]

I'm not too sure, it should be pretty equivalent

WS buffs Everbloom directly but it also adds more of its own healing

TO the meter

[rare umbra]

Hi everyone. Sorry if its already been answered but are we changing default talent build for m+ this wednesday onwards?

[tough portal]

No sir maam

[ashen perch]

Just go apexless on keys kappa

[ruby wave]

I watched JB a bit yesterday, i noticed he do not switch into moonkin. Could u guys tell me why? Isnt it worth the extra dmg during buff time when i spam my starfires to switch into moonkin? Or is this just a wasted GCD?

[fervent mica]

you lose haste and gain mastery instead. haste good

[velvet cloak]

Especially on a cast like starfire that takes 3-5 business days to cast

[ruby wave]

Ah i didnt knew i lose something. I thought i just get 10% more dmg. Thx for the information, makes it bit easier to play also

[scarlet epoch]

I actually did that before. Do not recommend.

[tough portal]

It is still a slight gain but because you have dots ticking while you are out of form anyways, the 4% magic damage talent on Lycara's is better than Fluid Form for Moonkin

[ashen perch]

I did 20 mc with only 1 points on apex, is not so bad

But was raw cook

[tough portal]

What do you even take tho

You lose so much burst healing

[fervent mica]

ysera YEP

[grizzled seal]

1 point of apex is fucking dogshit too

That is the most useless point actually

[ashen perch]

Better trying new stuff than complain about nerfs

Imo

[tough portal]

Bestie who's complaining tho

Everybody understands the nerfs are fair?!

[ashen perch]

Just saying

[tough portal]

Better complain about nerfs than murder children

[thorn whale]

😂😂😂😂

[ashen perch]

o:

[tough portal]

I'm just saying

[thorn whale]

My goat

[distant birch]

depends on the children

[ashen perch]

Here go

[distant birch]

wrong quote but cant change it gg

[thorn whale]

Gg

[ashen perch]

Eta

[thorn whale]

I ran a 10k without shoes, wasn’t that bad

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/wont-somebody-please-think-of-the-children-think-of-the-children-think-about-the-children-children-the-simpsons-gif-20004023

[tough portal]

Tbh running barefoot is very nice

I like it

[thorn whale]

Psycho

[tough portal]

Tf

[ashen perch]

He want feel the nature

[distant birch]

i dont even sleep barefoot

[knotty goblet]

Til you step on a stone

[tough portal]

I dont run on gravel

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/paw-national-honey-bee-day-sweet-revenge-bear-digging-gif-22898224

MMM bear foot

[thorn whale]

Tf you running in the Amazon or what

Tarzan???

[distant birch]

i dont recommend running in the amazon

[knotty goblet]

It's the gravel on tarmac that kills you

[distant birch]

u will drown

[thorn whale]

Ah thanks

[ashen perch]

We can see here a bear trying to take aggro without incarnation

[velvet cloak]

Nah that bear is looking for his group after the rdruid didn't run apex

[ashen perch]

https://tenor.com/view/webearbears-grizzly-bear-grizzlybear-brown-gif-5769497

[tough portal]

Bruh lmao

Like on grass sometimes, sure, like on parks

On the beach ofc nobody would run in shoes right?

[velvet cloak]

Yeah but running on sand is awful

It's so much more intense because the ground isn't stable

[tough portal]

Or like a beach or river front

[thorn whale]

Haha fair enough

[tough portal]

Whatever you call the big sidewalk along a beach idk what thats called

Those are usually pretty well maintained and not pebbles

Or random shit

[thorn whale]

Some people swear to being barefoot perma

[tough portal]

Ok I'm not like that

I do sleep barefoot tho @distant birch you crazy

[scarlet epoch]

sometimes we just gotta let go of our underwear because we love shitting ourselves. i agree.

[ashen perch]

[thorn whale]

Pro tip: You don’t have to shit yourself just cause you’re not wearing underwear

[marsh prism]

world first

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-claps-clapping-cute-gif-14440436985127897764

[onyx trail]

how do they do it

they're just SO GOOD

[pearl oyster]

does anyone have a recommendation for an addon that gives a decent boss frame that shows your hots on them?

[formal fjord]

congrats!

[fervent mica]

why are you healing the boss??

[formal fjord]

danders frames is good

[pearl oyster]

cystals on the last boss

[formal fjord]

ah

[distant birch]

i use unhalted

for player target and boss frames

[pearl oyster]

thanks will check it out

would be fun to heal the boss, and then flame the dps on are you actually dps'ing, nice chance from hearing it from some emo dps on pugs that constantly dies to one shots

[sudden rover]

ty for the tip

[hazy cliff]

anyone got any good indicator layouts for danders? feel like there are some tweaks i could be making to improve visibility for important things since the api changes

[gaunt willow]

Pinned in here is a good profile for Dandera

[hazy cliff]

ah nice, might give that a look and see if i can pick out specific things, ty!

[chrome pond]

in which form do we wildcharge to skip the falling in the last boss of the skyreach ?

[tough portal]

Travel or moonkin both work

[kind star]

still havent gotten a weapon reee still using my crafted 259 one should prolly wait for vault before upgrading that ig, do have the myth crests.

[undone linden]

does he take u out of moonkin form the same way travel form keeps getting cancelled?

[tough portal]

No I dont think so

It doesnt take you out of cat at least

So I dont imagine it does moonkin

I never tried, my ping wouldnt let me time shit like that well enough

[tough portal]

Haha you'll get it next reset bro

Vault chance and if anything 3 more bonus rolls

[kind star]

At least my helm curse is over! after 2 weeks im now 266 now.

been slacking on keys pugs are literally hell D:

[vestal heart]

hi can someone tell me how to not lose all my mana in raid pls

[oak garnet]

Cast more regrowth

[spark river]

abundance

less wg cpm

[fervent mica]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes

[kind star]

another day of me slacking to setup my UI... rofl

[silver zenith]

hey 🙂

Just got to level 90... want to try resto!

is there any cheat sheet? 😄

[fervent mica]

follow the guides in the pins

[spark river]

Wowhead guide is good to start

[kind star]

using a sound queue on SM has improved my performance a decent amount in keys even started moving LB around abit.

[fast burrow]

How do u get a sound queue for it

[silver zenith]

will look 🙂

quite the wow newb and comming form maining a Holy Priest

resto seems very different

[unique sedge]

/cdm

[kind star]

lifebloom alert paired with cdm for soundqueue on SM is goated when picking up resto druid.

also realised my main problem with keys was just having low ass dps making anything a struggle

[worthy umbra]

Nah you will have to deal with long fights on higher keys anyway

[haughty ibex]

wat do u consider long

[kind star]

doing 30k dps on bosses is not normal

thats the kind of dps I was having in my first 10s...

[haughty ibex]

is that like a dps dmg or

that’s kinda crazy

[kind star]

yeah D:

[haughty ibex]

i mean just don’t play with 220ilvl people ig

[kind star]

they were like 260!

I was running my own keys 😭

I had no clue what dps should be looking like in keys so I thought it was me that sucked so I played my alt devo for a while