resto

[indigo flume]

most of dps dont know they can click defensive

or they click it on 20% hp

[thorn whale]

In high keys you usually just take turns at melding the cast or letting the tank take it

But not a bad idea to just take them all in 14s 😂

[indigo flume]

i always have defensive when they jump on me so yeah

[haughty ibex]

how

[indigo flume]

i bark myself too

[haughty ibex]

that jump isn’t every min

[indigo flume]

and it usually just die

[thorn whale]

They might die in 2 jumps

In 14s

[fervent mica]

lifebloom self is a defensive (:

[haughty ibex]

oh well true

[indigo flume]

and yeah i lifebloom myself with 4 hots

[haughty ibex]

said no one ever

[fervent mica]

i jsut tanked all of them in 17s /-:

didn't trust the pug dps to position

[haughty ibex]

but it feels so weird to enter a key with this mentality? esp in higher keys

[fervent mica]

didn't help that the tank pulled that area like a lunatic... all 3 wyrm packs + big one with the 2 smalls onto the bridge

[indigo flume]

well i tried +15 with mentality my dps will kick

and i got 2x shadow bolted for 400k

within 1sec

it was my bad that i didnt notice cast on me but yeah i was too focused on frames and didnt press defensive

[haughty ibex]

then roar it or tyhpoon 💯

[indigo flume]

in higher keys if dps dont interupt for example shadow bolt it usually 1 shot?

[fervent mica]

incap is the best button we have... since they stole kick

[sudden rover]

well yeah

[indigo flume]

ah

[fervent mica]

most bolt slop is super danger

[indigo flume]

so dps + tank should be able to kick all of them?

[fervent mica]

if pulled correctly

but that inclused things like stops

yours too

[indigo flume]

ok

[fervent mica]

bull rush saves lives YEP

[haughty ibex]

are u talking about pos shadow bolt or where is that

[indigo flume]

yeah i got shadow bolted to death in pos

first pull

[fervent mica]

was it the mob over on the hill?

it just never get pulled in?

[indigo flume]

i would survive it but there was some AOE going too and tick killed me

[haughty ibex]

i mean then just starting using ur ccs that’s the answer

im afraid

[indigo flume]

it was hard to cc when my party hp were going ping pong

like everyone was dying somehow

its ok i did learn valuable lesson from this run

[fervent mica]

its another thing where its practice /-:

[indigo flume]

do not make keys with mage and rouge

[fervent mica]

take what happens in each run and try to learn from it

[indigo flume]

we didnt time this key because my dps died 2 times to toxic thing from boss 2

and then 3-4 deaths to ice spikes in cave

[fervent mica]

do your best to ignore stuff like that and look at what you could've done better.

[indigo flume]

yeah

[fervent mica]

it sucks when randos do the dumb, but you want to do higher so just focus on that

[indigo flume]

they didnt die from lack of healing so thats a positive

and i didnt press defensive so yeah

but my death wouldnt matter if they didnt get 1 shot

[fervent mica]

the only constant in all of your keys is you

[indigo flume]

i hit resil 14 and did few 15 which i didnt time so for now i just have fun doing raids

[reef sedge]

Hi all, I don't get why druids Circle of the Wild in M+ but stilil run boomkin spells, what am I missing here?

[indigo flume]

i only use starfire as it deal good damage on 4+ targets

[fervent mica]

hotw in cat is still a ton of your damage, especially prio

[rustic patio]

Did you guys check the upcoming class changes?anyone knows if the nerfs are about to dethrone us from best mplus healer?

[fervent mica]

pins

[indigo flume]

they wont

but raid got hit

[haughty ibex]

yea is over reroll mw

[reef sedge]

So it's optimally to use both your boomie form and cat form from time to time?

[fervent mica]

you don't ever go owl

[indigo flume]

i dont even have moonkin form

just use starfire on a lot of ads

[fervent mica]

spell dps from caster form

haste good

[reef sedge]

And what would you say a good time for going into cat form be like?

[fervent mica]

when hotw is available

[reef sedge]

Ah I see

[fervent mica]

and you have a big prio target/boss

hotw + rip or bite if rip isn't talented

[indigo flume]

do i use vers flask for my stats?

[reef sedge]

Alright it makes sense now. Ty.

[haughty ibex]

no u sim it and let robot decide

u don’t need extra versa for 14s

[indigo flume]

its for raid

and idk if i should use haste/mastery or vers flask

[haughty ibex]

idk then ask robot 💯

[indigo flume]

on QE website?

[haughty ibex]

yes

[indigo flume]

ok will try

[flint jetty]

is there a good guide for healing in M+, im feeling like im messing stuff up in these +10s, i feel like im doing stuff wrong cause soemtimes i just struggle in some dungeons

either i dont expect some burst and then im playing catch up which drains mana, or something

[marsh prism]

our major guides are perfectly serviceable for 10s but our healing skill comes from dungeon and encounter knowledge

so if you are finding that you are constantly playing catchup then you are maybe not as knowledgeable as you need to be

[lethal lichen]

View some pov for keys

And check group frames, boss casts

Mob casts etc etc

Maybe will help with understanding damage patterns

[flint jetty]

its not constant catch up, but for example, theres a couple places in windrunner where i just feel like ppl take a shit ton of damage or myself

[haughty ibex]

some packs in ws do have unpredictable dmg but it shouldnt affect u that much in a 10

[flint jetty]

was doing as +10 windrunner just now for the first time and 1 of the DPS DC'd so they called it, but man was it a struggle for some of those pulls

[marsh prism]

can post logs for more specific feedback

[haughty ibex]

u can try to send a log tho

[flint jetty]

i need to setup logging, havent done that yet

i just got back to the game last week so im prob not either geared enough or if i am, im missing chants and stuff

ilvl 261 atm

[lethal lichen]

First pack in ws pop up rejuvs before start and then convoke + tranquille
After dispell all shit on cd

[flint jetty]

also my play probably suffering from being new to all the M+ lol

[haughty ibex]

once u learn dmg patterns u wont struggle as much for sure

[flint jetty]

convoke is amazing tho, i did that on the first patch like u mentioned

it does feel like it takes a while to get enough rejuvs up

[lethal lichen]

Povs are best to learning

[haughty ibex]

u wanna start prehotting

[flint jetty]

yeah i been working on it

last run tho we did wipe once cause of me, i ran into the door for the LoS pull but as i ran past the door it was covered in the green goop and i died hella fast, sub 1 second, might have been multiple there

so when i res'd and ran back, i was just playing catch up and it went poorly

if im in a situation where i need to catch up and dont got the luxury to be hotting 5+ rejuvs, what would the prio be for heals?

[lethal lichen]

Uh

[fervent mica]

voke?

[lethal lichen]

Regrowth for sure

[haughty ibex]

what los pull even

[fervent mica]

if you're that far behind... just send a cd

[flint jetty]

i assume im down voke and tranq maybe

[haughty ibex]

literally no

what is rg gonna do on a target with 0 hots

[fervent mica]

lb + rej + sm + ns reg

if people are that low... just do something

[marsh prism]

@queen marsh do something

[fervent mica]

^

[flint jetty]

mmm

do we have a general agree'd upon M+ talent spec?

[fervent mica]

being way behind is our kryptonite... stay ahead, stay happy

[marsh prism]

wowhead

[flint jetty]

i been using methodgg's one, maybe i should change

[marsh prism]

dont use that website

[flint jetty]

kk

is archon any good?

[haughty ibex]

why does method website even exists

is it even updated

[haughty ibex]

to log yeah

[flint jetty]

i know archon gots a talent heatmap too, figured it be useful

[marble brook]

Guys do i want to convoke in cote or use it after?

[flint jetty]

ill check out wowhead

[marble brook]

in big pulls

[fervent mica]

all aggregate sites like that just end up with weird data /-:

[haughty ibex]

ur better off copy pasting wowhead talents

[peak marlin]

I find Vickmans Talents quite good

[spark river]

the talent tree from method gg is the one played in high keys

hb build

so that isnt the issue

look at your own gameplay rather

[marsh prism]

no

[marsh prism]

website is unpaid slop

not even paid slop

[haughty ibex]

they are lit wowhead talents but with hb instead of nd?

also like in a 10 he won’t need liveliness or usrine vigor

[spark river]

I am talking only about the talent build presented

I dont really care about the website or anything

[peak marlin]

Oh sorry, didn't understand the context, yeah WoWhead build is fine

[flint jetty]

ah

harmonious blooming reads as "3 stacks of mastery", i assume that just mean 2x the mastery value?

[peak marlin]

No, it counts as 3 HoTs in Mastery calculations

[flint jetty]

oh

i meant to say 3x the value, but still i figure it makes sense

well that works different from what i thought

[lethal lichen]

with nerfs we dont take apex anymore? in raid

[restive jasper]

Idt the recent nerf is enough to put down the previous apex buff

[lethal lichen]

blizzard cant decide what to do with apex

[bright swift]

this doesn't change anything

This is a 20% nerf to apex but apex was sometimes even my top healing

it's still crazy

[lethal lichen]

yeh, my2

[boreal karma]

time to go apexless again

[lethal lichen]

time to respec to moonkin

[slow pasture]

Ew

[fervent mica]

mastery stacks have diminishing returns from extra ones. a fully hotted person doesn't gain too much from hb

[slow pasture]

It’s "only good" for a quick swap + apex

[tired gale]

Time to kotg again

[hardy fern]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/h4HzyKbdQZ9k2nPX?fight=81&type=healing&source=774

Can somebody absolutely roast my logs and tell me what I'm doing wrong and bad I am PLEASE

[primal jungle]

try wowanal first

[hardy fern]

I did. It didnt really give me much to work on

[hardy fern]

Should I spam regrowth more?

[ashen perch]

can do a 20 apexless for the meme kekw

[fervent mica]

green button good.

[hardy fern]

[fervent mica]

people have been trying to aim for 1-1 but it all varies based on need ofc

[primal jungle]

every time one of u rats type spam i get hungry

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-wall-street-leonardo-dicaprio-cheering-chanting-gif-3443741178963952777

[primal jungle]

prolly make tmrw

[hardy fern]

Is there a way to track regrowth stacks (abundance) better?

[boreal karma]

cdm

[primal jungle]

u mean like a notification?

[boreal karma]

u dont really need to pay attention to it

[solid hemlock]

i mean you can have cdm show it's icon in the middle of screen if you want so you notice it i guess

[boreal karma]

u ramp for major events and for any other case you can just regrowth

[primal jungle]

i used to make super dumb weakauras

[boreal karma]

thats how i have it

[solid hemlock]

yeah same

[primal jungle]

https://youtu.be/vLcmLt2WTJU

[solid hemlock]

i tunnel bad so i do have tts say lifebloom, swiftmend, and soul of the forest tho. Sure, soul of the forest is kidn of obvious due to how it occurs, but it still helps my adhd brain

[fervent mica]

your swiftmend count is low, and there are a bunch of them targeted not on your lifebloom target

[hardy fern]

So I should only swiftmend myself bc I have lifebloom all the time?

[boreal karma]

yes

[fervent mica]

in raid, yeah. you're wanting to extend 2x rej + lifebloom

forever uptime

[hardy fern]

Dont we want lifebloom to expire for the everbloom aoe heal? Genuinely asking idk im bad

[fervent mica]

for more apex healing

[boreal karma]

nah you dont

you get enough blooms of photo

and swiftmend

[indigo flume]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T9VZhrmy34X6dDA1?fight=5&type=healing&source=6 still not perfect but after watching abundance and keeping LB on myself its so much better holy

[hardy fern]

Wait what

[fervent mica]

swiftmend triggers sotf... which is 3 blooms

[dense lantern]

If you refresh in pandemic it still blooms

[solid hemlock]

pandemic

[fervent mica]

phosy procs more the more hots on your lb target

[dense lantern]

And you don't lose the stacks

[hardy fern]

What is pandemic?

[dense lantern]

Last 4s

[hardy fern]

[fervent mica]

last 30% of the hot's duration

[boreal karma]

30% duration left

[primal jungle]

pandemic window

[hardy fern]

Oh wow

[solid hemlock]

so do you normally refresh lifebloom with lifebloom during pandemic window and use swiftmend in a different window?

[fervent mica]

it adds the duration to the remainder

[primal jungle]

final 4.5 secs of hot timing

trigger bloom

[fervent mica]

so if its in pandemic, you cast lb and sm... its loong

ideally you almost never have to hard cast lb though. just keep hitting the sm extension

[hardy fern]

Wow. I was letting lifebloom fall off for the "everbloom" aoe heal. But u can just refresh it last 3 seconds (pandemic window) and still get everbloom heal?

[fervent mica]

yeah

[solid hemlock]

yarp

[harsh quail]

is there a chance that the Thrash buff will bleed over to resto like when starfire cleave got changed on boomie?

[hardy fern]

wow

[fervent mica]

thats still a very small amount of your overall blooms though

you are better off just chain extending with sm and the VI talent

[solid hemlock]

i was normally refreshing lb w/lb and using swiftmend as well - unsmart

[fervent mica]

its almost always extending lb, rej, rej, reg

[hardy fern]

Ok so I dont want to press lb again I just want to extend it with swiftmend on its last 4 seconds ideally

[fervent mica]

all of those mastery stacks increase the value of the blooms that are triggered, which is where most of everbloom healing comes from

no

[solid hemlock]

so when does it make sense to refresh lb with lb?

[fervent mica]

extending with sm doesn't trigger the pandemic

you're just wanting to hit it on cd

more sm more better

[sly pivot]

Does anyone have a similar add on to the lifebloom alert for swiftmend, the cdm alert is like a fire alarm

[fervent mica]

on my paladins kill i cast lifebloom 9 times total

[solid hemlock]

just change it to use tts or something should be a lot of alert options

[fervent mica]

yours was 19

[sly pivot]

I changed it to tts but it’s so loud

[hardy fern]

Ok can u pls recap? I want to press lb on lb in the pandemic window (around last 4 seconds) but just spam swiftmend on myself to keep my Hots stack (rejuv rejuv lb regrowth wild growth) from falling off for max mastery?

[sly pivot]

My sound settings are already super low

[fervent mica]

wild growth probably won't be on you

biggest thing is to just make sure you're hitting the sm on cd

[hardy fern]

On myself for lb right

[fervent mica]

if lifebloom is close to the window you can manually refresh it to trigger, but you really don't want it to get that low if possible

swiftmend does a lot of work

[hardy fern]

Ok i see

[fervent mica]

having all of that up generates more everbloom healing and ends up costing you less mana as well

[hardy fern]

Right

[fervent mica]

and the gcds

[hardy fern]

Yeah tbh I had no idea everbloom aoe heal popped unless lb expired

[fervent mica]

phosy is love. phosy is life

[hardy fern]

So it blooming doesnt mean lb falls off once it blooms? Idk if that made sense. I am use to old lifebloom where it has the big heal once it expires

[fervent mica]

its the same thing

talents can just trigger it

they added a visual to everbloom in the last patch. you can see a green burst every time it triggers

its pretty funny to watch what it does with just hots rolling

[solid hemlock]

so sm gives you crazy lifebloom bursts + the super powered rejuv/regrowths on others

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-evil-smile-nod-gif-16596786

[solid hemlock]

I got that, but was def using lb too much to refresh

[hardy fern]

Wait so perma sm on your lb should always keep it 3 stacks pretty much?

[fervent mica]

yeah

[hardy fern]

So me letting it expire n reapplying cucks the 3 stacks so much

Wow u have taught me a lot thank u lol

[fervent mica]

knowing what to do is always easier than doing it. just have to get that muscle memory and it should help a lot

i made macros with @player so i couldn't mess up targeting ever on them in raid

[solid hemlock]

i keep swapping from prevoker in raid to resto druid in m+ and my muscle memory is screwed up

[hardy fern]

Is nature swiftness before convoke still a thing? Does it buff every regrowth that convoke uses?

[fervent mica]

was changed a couple weeks ago

[hardy fern]

Ah ok ty

[faint willow]

how do i find my breakpoints on questionblyepic? I have my simc and everything I just see top gear upgrade finder trinkets and embelishments? where is stat weights?

[slow pasture]

we don't have breakpoint

[faint willow]

oh that explains it because icy veins said this to me "It's generally discouraged to go beyond the second diminishing breakpoint because you will start losing too many stats. You can use the Questionably Epic Live app to fine-tune your stats around breakpoints. " they lied I guess

[slow pasture]

They didn't lied

[faint willow]

ok then how do i do it

[slow pasture]

It just we don't seek any breakpoint

Go to upgrade finder.

[faint willow]

technically they did lie then, they said I could check it over there

[faint willow]

Thats pretty nice actually.. the upgrade finder thnx

[slow pasture]

well maybe it's a phrasing prob then. There is "breakpoint" for diminished return. But you don't have actual use of them. So we can say you don't seek to play around them.

You can use QELive to find what's best. It does the job for you

[faint willow]

I see that now, I like that upgrade finder

[simple wadi]

What do you say to the 3% nerf? Should we Close the Class Discord?

[fervent mica]

pins

[flint void]

just checked the balance tuning, Apex talent back into the trash bin, was nice knowing you

[sly pivot]

Yes. and play no apex in raid

[flint void]

Apex talent was very very close to non-apex talent, now that our apex talent is nerfed by quite a bit, chances are we go back to KOTG + reforestation/stuff

[faint willow]

Im using vuhdo addon and I cant see bleed debuff on frames, anyone know how I get that turned on

[fervent mica]

no

its still better. they're just close-ish now

[flint void]

the non-apex talentis less punishing towards new players, if you ever drop lifebloom with apex talent it's gg

you shoudn't drop lifebloom, but ya know, new players might

[lofty zinc]

because its that hard to press 1 button vs every other button?

[flint void]

the general thing with lifebloom is that you have to be constantly aware of it, you should only refresh during the pandemic window because of making it bloom + dropping it means you go back to 1/3 stacks with apex

it's not hard to do, it's second nature to most of us, but if due anything ever you either refresh it too early OR let it drop, that's a major hit to your healing throughput.

at least without apex talent, you are at 1/1 stack and the extra-punishing nature of having LB run out is now there

[lofty zinc]

meh the pandemic window is nice to have but the real healing comes from consuming sotf. Telling a beginner to just keep lb rolling is much easier than the rest of the build. dropping lb is less punishing but you have to actually have to play the rest of the spec better.

[plain steeple]

It’s exactky the other way round.
For good apex healing you have to do nothing more than just pressing swiftmend on yourself with hots on you. That’s really no effort at ally
If you want to maximize a non apex build, you have to play perfectly around abundance and blast regrowths with high cpm.

[fervent mica]

wild take _

[flint void]

abundance tracking should be second nature to any resto druid right now, as for low long did we have to do that already?

[fervent mica]

... ?

lifebloom tracking has been around longer

[lofty zinc]

everything should be but this is about beginners like you said

[plain steeple]

You don’t have to track it at all to play properly.

Just sotf rejuv and otherwise spam regrowths.

Just the Regrowth spamming where most people fail tremendously.

[flint void]

7.0.3 Legion for abundance?
the level of punishment for going down to 7 abundance stacks is just needing to spend some extra mana and needing to get back up there.

dropping from 3/3 on lifebloom to 1/3 is imo a harder punishment for failure

[lofty zinc]

you cant be serious... explaining to keep lb at 100% vs playing a good abundance window cant be a really hard choice to tell whats easier

[flint void]

i'm not saying what is harder, i'm saying what punishes you harder for failure

[lofty zinc]

and its hard to fail...

with apex

[flint void]

the time to recovery from falling out of a good abundance window is a bit lower hps as you apply some rejuvs to get it up.
the time to recovery on getting non-perfect lb uptime is needing to wait and cry as your hps drops

[fervent mica]

stop trying to defend your terrible take and think for a second

[lofty zinc]

press lb 3x and its up if you need to hurry

[flint void]

please do not attack another person for their opinion, no need to reach for insults when you cannot speak on the merits

[fervent mica]

where was the insult?

[plain steeple]

If you drop to 1/3 lifebloom it does not make any difference.
You blast 100k hps on yourself anyways.
You have ~70% overheal on you in mythic.
If you have 1/3 or 3/3 LB does not matter at all in raid.

Losing uptime hurts for missing potential photo procs.

Just for your understanding; the amount of LB stacks is not affecting your Everbloom heal.

It’s neither giving mastery nor higher blooms.

[steep flame]

How do I heal m+? Like not even tryna be stupid but I feel like once I get a few hots rolling they fall off right as I’m tryna dmg

Am I over prepping hots and they just slip off?

[flint void]

you have hots, and more hots, and everyone has all of them hots

works well enough until the 17s-18s

[steep flame]

So basically just sunfire and watch hots

[flint void]

no sunfire

sunfire is actually lower dps than just casting spells

[faint willow]

sunfire when moving

[fervent mica]

sunfire is fine to cast if you have to move/can't plant for a full starfire cast and don't need healing

[tough portal]

But the 3 LB stacks are completely meaningless

[steep flame]

Got it. I’m so used to hpal and mw now that I wanted something polar opposite in healing to spice it up and I feel clueless as fuck

[tough portal]

Like in a raid setting? It's meaningless for Everbloom splash, the stacks only affect the hot. The hot is also meaningless healing, it does 80% overhealing and the 20% effective just makes other stuff overheal cuz you're perma full stacked on yourself.

[flint void]

Is rdruid really the oposite of hpala?

[faint willow]

should i haste flask or mastery flask? I think icy veins said mastery flask but my friend told me haste

[tough portal]

Dropping LB for half a second is completely meaningless

[flint void]

it depends

[faint willow]

for m+ i mean

[flint void]

what are your current haste and mastery amounts?

[faint willow]

898 haste 707 mastery 275 ilvl

[spark river]

Thats kinda low on both lol

[flint void]

^

[spark river]

your crit must be cooked

[faint willow]

its new char its my 3rd alt

[flint void]

how much you wasting on crit?>

[faint willow]

298 crit

[flint void]

every single point in crit is a wasted point

[grizzled seal]

I think we say to keep lifebloom at 100% cuz when people try they still get 80%

[gentle nova]

How bad is playing 2/4 apex now so i can play 2 tv refo 1 min voke phosy

Was doing napkin math 2/4 apex is gonna be 5%

[spark river]

truly burnt cooks

[faint willow]

i dont have optimized gear yet, purloined wedding ring etc. that have 143 crit for example but im working on it

but i just wondered about the flask rly

[flint void]

12 abundance gets you 96% crit on regrowth. if you have 0 crit rating you still have 5% crit, meaning you get 101% crit with 12 stacks of abundance on regrowth.

even a adventurer haste/mastery ring is better than a hero/myth purloined wedding ring, probably

[tough portal]

No yeah 100%, I was just arguing against the idea that dropping LB for a split second is super punishing

[tough portal]

No, calm down

[plain steeple]

He said that he is playing M+. Therefore he will never reach 12.

[spark river]

You want to have higher mastery for keys, but both of your haste and mastery are kinda cooked

[tough portal]

Crit isnt worth 0 just cuz 20% of your healing autocrits

[reef holly]

does anyone have the % nerf of just the apex nerf? (not the aura nerf)

[plain steeple]

Also this.

[spark river]

~7%

[fervent mica]

pins

[pulsar kettle]

rg isnt 100% of your healing

[reef holly]

ahh thx bud

[faint willow]

ok I get it crit is rly bad but im working on it. I wondered if I should use haste or mastery flask in m+

[gentle nova]

20% to apex overall healing

You substract 20% of what apex is doing in your logs

[faint willow]

its only 275 ilvl chill

[flint void]

probably mastery

for flask

[faint willow]

when I get belt ring and neck my stats will be fixed pretty good I think

[fervent mica]

haste is bae

[azure zodiac]

7% is not that much, we are still viable for m+

[flint void]

7% is a pretty large hit, but you're correct that rdruid is still viable

[grizzled seal]

You can equip 7% more versatility and there is no nerf

Big brain time

[fervent mica]

lul

[flint void]

if we could pull 7% of vers out of the ground without dropping any other stats, we would

[pulsar kettle]

[azure zodiac]

In academy we can pick vers buff

thats free 3% vers

[tough portal]

Double MOTW bug

[flint void]

but what if you pick mastery buff, that's 3% more mastery

[azure zodiac]

i mean this guy wanted vers for his build

but yea mastery is viable as well

[spark river]

'this guy'

lol

[pulsar kettle]

dude

[flint void]

point for point mastery just gives us more than vers

[azure zodiac]

i know but doesnt vers give you dmg reduction on top of stat?

i mean im not pushing too high

so idk

[gentle nova]

Just get source and there is no nerf

[flint void]

maybe if we start reaching 30-50% diminishing returns, maybe.

[tough portal]

But from the AA dragon colors, vers should be better

[gentle nova]

Playing apex lmaoooo

[spark river]

but what if i was already getting source

[gentle nova]

TORTY

What do u think about what i said

2/4 apex

[flint void]

bribe your priest for PI?

[gentle nova]

I feel like apexless all you really want is tv and refo and the other shit is whatever, embrace and phosy with no apex

[flint void]

isn't the last point of apex like the one point we take apex for? SOTF consume causing it to go brrrep

[gentle nova]

No

Last point is less than phosy

[tough portal]

I dont think 2nd TV is better than 2nd splash point

[flint void]

you're taking phosy anyways

[gentle nova]

It acounts to about 1/3 of the lb blooms

Phosy is 2/3

[flint void]

you're comparing it to 1x TV and 1x embrace?

[gentle nova]

Im between 3/4 apex with 1 tv or 2/4 with 2 tv

Embrace no, i dont press wg

Refo

[flint void]

can't you drop refo and take 1x tv?

[gentle nova]

.

[flint void]

but what if you 4/4 apex with 1 tv

[spark river]

3/4 apex with 2 tv

send it

[gentle nova]

So the build youre playing now

[flint void]

yes, that was exactly what i meant

[gentle nova]

Apex healing is dropping from 19% ish to 15 for me

Thats on pair with other capstones

I dont see a pt to keep playing full apex

When other talents are more impactful

Tv and refo

[flint void]

I don't see a point playing apex at all if you're not going to spend all 4 points into it

[gentle nova]

Because after tv and refo the other pts are whatever

Embrace is bad if you dont press wg on cd

And the 4th one is useless

[flint void]

you're playing KOTG with that right?

[gentle nova]

No

[flint void]

but?

[grizzled seal]

Idk why you'd play reforestation now

[flint void]

if you're going into reforestation

if you're going into reforestation -> why not go KOTG for Potent enchantments.

i'm personally not the biggest fan of reforestation, but it is what it is

[gentle nova]

Movement

[flint void]

what about movement? becuase Regrowth is instantcast during tree?

[gentle nova]

Yes

[flint void]

Spatial Paradox, just bribe your evoker for movement

[grizzled seal]

I lose 1/3rd of my blooms from dropping apex4

[gentle nova]

Yup

[flint void]

i don't think dropping 1/3rd of your blooms + half of your blooms strength is worth it to pick up 1x tv and 1x reforestation

[gentle nova]

Its gonna be a 5.5% loss for me

Source?

[oak wadi]

do u guys think the may 5 tuning is big inpact for healing:?

[flint void]

"i don't think"

thinking and I feel statements by nature do not have a hard-source

[flint void]

7%

[gentle nova]

Why are you thinking

Compare logs man

[grizzled seal]

Closer to 6% in my lura log

A bit more than 6% actually

6.2% or so

[gentle nova]

Accounting after nerf

Or before

[grizzled seal]

This is pre-nerf yeah

So -20% of that

Not -20%

1% of that is verdancy

[gentle nova]

Yeah post nerf for me is 5.5

[grizzled seal]

5.2% post nerf for me

[gentle nova]

Didnt account verd

[flint void]

5.5% nerf is quite a big nerf for extra movement

[gentle nova]

Refo is 5

Lol

[grizzled seal]

I don't think refo does that much

[flint void]

when druid is already rather mobile

[grizzled seal]

You aren't even playing keeper anymore

[gentle nova]

Druid is not mobile

?

[grizzled seal]

Are we playing the same spec lol

[gentle nova]

Guys new to druid or smth

[grizzled seal]

Players with sub 15 regrowth cpm don't comment please

I don't think you can squeeze refo to do 5%

[gentle nova]

Everytime i gotta move a step i didnt plan a rg cast turns into a rejuv i didnt want

Thats bad

[grizzled seal]

I'd rather pick 1 min convoke

[gentle nova]

Yeah im getting 1 min voke if i drop 4th

[grizzled seal]

Do you want to drop one more?

[gentle nova]

But if i drop 2/4 ill get refo

[grizzled seal]

2nd and 3rd are stronger than 4th

All of the power is basically there

They are like 8-9% each pre-nerf

[gentle nova]

Dropping 3rd is a 50% apex nerf

[tough portal]

They all do the same amount of healing

[gentle nova]

So if my 4/4 apex post nerf does 15%, dropping 3/4 is gonna do 10, and dropping 2/2 is gonna do 5

[grizzled seal]

No

[waxen laurel]

Does Everbloom get triggered bei Photosynthesis?

[grizzled seal]

1st apex does fuck all

All your healing is 2/3/4

[tough portal]

2nd Apex does 20% splash
3rd Apex does 20% splash
4th Apex adds 50% more Blooms = same thing as the other 2

[gentle nova]

How do i calculate 2/4 in a current log then?

[grizzled seal]

Apex 4 adds 30-35% more blooms

[flint void]

Wild charge to a friendly, tiger dash, plan your movement,....
druid is decently mobile if you plan it, you shoudn't be wiggling constantly, but if you want to you can.

[grizzled seal]

Wowanalyzer shows that

[flint void]

at least when you compare rdruid to holy priest or holy paladin

[grizzled seal]

This is insane lol

[wind ermine]

Anyone on i can dm for a log review

[tough portal]

Bad at numbers?

[grizzled seal]

No, looking at my log

[tough portal]

Apex 4 does 30-35% of your total blooms. It adds 45-55% more blooms from being 3/4 to 4/4

That is the same amount of healing as Apex 3

[grizzled seal]

Ok yeah

Lmao my bad

[spark river]

Im here

[grizzled seal]

Right so still dropping apex 4 is fine

Dropping apex 3 is troll

No other talent you can pick will do more

[tough portal]

Yeah I dont think any other talent is worth the point

Refo is a big stretch

[grizzled seal]

From my log apex 3 is doing over 8% on every attempt

Assuming apex 3 is the same as apex 2

[tough portal]

Ok but it wont be 8% without apex 4

Mattiu cooking

[flint void]

movement is relative, and it's just objectively correct that we have better movement than half of the healers out there. Holy priest and holy paladin are definitely not as agile on their feet.
Disco can run during penance, but if they need to cross any large distance they're just going to need to jog over.

I think only mw monk, pres evoker and rshaman are more mobile when planning around it

[tough portal]

Cooking our brains nobody wants to think about this shit

[spark river]

mattiu cooks are always entertaining

[tough portal]

Get vrocas to spam some heroic shit pugs with each permutation

[flint jetty]

question, how do i set up logging my M+?

[grizzled seal]

I am going to put it in the nicest way possible. I don't think I need you to teach me how to play druid

[spark river]

not the fallen king pugs again

[flint void]

in the nicest way possible, i know you know how to rdruid, you're an expert at rdruid specifically.

but it's a fact that holy paladins and all variety of priests are just worse at movement

[grizzled seal]

I don't give a fuck about these 2 specs

One of them isn't even a spec

If you think disc is less mobile then you are just plain stupid

[flint void]

disco priest specifically sucks if they have to move a long distance that is longer than their cast of penance

[grizzled seal]

Unlike druid

Again, I feel like you are just shit at druid so you don't understand what we are telling you

You think spamming rejuv does hps or what

[gentle nova]

Show a log

Lets see how good druid is at moving

You cant defend this argument because its not true

Whenever you move you lose a rg cast

[flint void]

Last time i showed a log my paladin co-healer got flamed in here so hard that for his protection i'm not allowed to show any logs in #resto to avoid absolute toxicity.

[gentle nova]

Show it anonimously

Theres an option to make them in wxlogs

[flint void]

i am not risking a /gkick out of proving a point to strangers i don't raid with, cuz last time it WAS anonymously

[glossy holly]

there is such thing?

[grizzled seal]

Screenshot your cpm panel on alleria or dragons

[flint void]

and that was with me being in assignment for every other soak

[grizzled seal]

[quiet wyvern]

oh boy

this again

[unique mural]

I don't wanna scroll up for info, but could tell pls in shot what overall % of nerf of Apex will be? I see overall nerf as negligible

[quiet wyvern]

6-7%

[flint void]

pins says it's 7%

[quiet wyvern]

[idle lake]

guys we r getting nerfed

we need to close the discord

immediately

lock the channel

[pulsar kettle]

old bald meme

[idle lake]

im old bald AND fat

[flint void]

this channel often feels like jumping into Chernobyl, closing it for a while for cleaning isn't the worst of ideas.

[gentle nova]

Low cpm

[idle lake]

i was just making fun of the paladins

[gentle nova]

Druid is mobile guys

[flint void]

don't strawman me, i said druid was more mobile than hpala and holy priest

[quiet wyvern]

again, false

[unique mural]

I'd say they are all the same kek.

[unique mural]

Thank you!

[gentle nova]

I think hes confusing being mobile with having movement spells

Yeah tiger dash is a cool movement spell

That doesnt make u mobile

[unique mural]

Yep

Saves ass all the time but doesn't make you uber mobile

[gentle nova]

Being able to move fast =/= mobile

Being able to keep healing your full rotation while moving = mobile

Druid cant heal while moving

And every gcd thats not rg during movement hurts your healing a lot

[unique mural]

Just spam rejuv , but that doesn't count

[flint void]

being able to stand still for very long as the doom is closing in, tiger dashing for 1 second and a single rejuv in the next gcd means you can cross half the boss arena in that time to go stand still again, and being able to burst move very far at a very short notice is quite a bit of movement

[quiet wyvern]

?????

nobody in their right mind would call THAT mobility

because bosses don't work like that

[flint void]

i agree we get absolutely buttfucked if you have to do small movements every 2 seconds

[quiet wyvern]

fantastic

wanna move those goalposts any more to make your argument coherent

[flint void]

actually, i cba to argue anymore.

[quiet wyvern]

yeah man

because you have shit arguments

happens

usually one just accepts being wrong but you can proceed with painting this as if everybody is being unreasonable

[flint void]

https://tenor.com/bDZ6v.gif

[quiet wyvern]

if we compare disc and rdruid casts i'd imagine druid will have more or less the same amount of instant casts

[unique mural]

I mean, if touch this discussion of yours. I'd say druid isn't a mobile class at all. We don't have spells where we can heal on move , literally none. Rejuv doesn't count .

[harsh quail]

I thought it was funny how torty and mattiu were discussing the different apex points etc just for him to inject himself in the discussion with the movement stuff 😄

[quiet wyvern]

but druid does half of its healing while absolutely forced to stand

all while disc can just cast penance on move

[tough portal]

Crazy escalation

[quiet wyvern]

just the dreamgrove regular discussion

[glossy holly]

i got a feeling u guys got very different definition what is mobile

[quiet wyvern]

yeah his definition is a very specific one which doesn't work in actual combat

and is a result of years of thinking that druid heals while moving same as disc while standing

[flint void]

to me mobilty is and always has been the ability to in a very very short time get from point A to point B, not to dancer around point B for an eon

[pulsar kettle]

when its tww and i have to move for 1.5 seconds and lose 4 regrowth casts as a result 😭

[quiet wyvern]

warlock is very mobile because he has his circle

[flint void]

specifically for the situation of: boss randomly targets you with mechanic -> you move to narnia to drop it

[glossy holly]

lock is not ''very mobile'' standard

lol

[flint void]

lock is wheelchair, and not even a healer

[quiet wyvern]

yeah but under his definition it is

until he makes additions to his definition

such that it would exclude warlock

because his definition is not coherent or well thought

[tough portal]

I thought the argument dragging on and people jumping in was a bit much with you just saying you were done and didnt want this

But you just

Keep also doing the same so

Tough

[glossy holly]

i mean, technically its true if u can use circles effectively its same as being mobile cuz u dont have to sacrifice more than one global to get lots of casting going

[quiet wyvern]

yeah but we all agree that nobody would call wl mobile because of that

[glossy holly]

but druid in itself doesnt have many ways to do instant jumps

[quiet wyvern]

druid has two """instant""" jumps

one whic relies on the other charcater already being there

and one is a 45s cd

bosses aren't made around 45s movements

and mobility matter in relation with doing output

[glossy holly]

yeah but

long distance hurts everyone equally

[thorn whale]

No

[quiet wyvern]

it doesn't hurt hunter

[thorn whale]

But how often do you move long distances on a boss fight

[quiet wyvern]

it doesn't hurt melees assuming boss is large or moves alongside

mage is usually fine too

[glossy holly]

bm is stupid unique, disregard that spec

[quiet wyvern]

paladin can also handle it fine

[flint void]

Bm is a cheerleader for the true damage dealer: the pet

[quiet wyvern]

he has like 10 billion instant buttons

probaly under 20% is actually hard casted

there are different ways to define mobility

and the one that actually matters in healer discourse is mobility while healing

and not 1 movement every minute

because that is not how bosses are designed

[spark river]

how do we go from an interesting mattiu cook to this

[quiet wyvern]

mattiu nevre has interesting cooks

[flint void]

eh, i thought 3/4 apex for a tv was worth looking at

[glossy holly]

it is in the weaker side effect though

[flint void]

and without someone questioning the status-quo in terms of builds, no new builds would even happen, because no one would be brave enough to try and cook

[gentle nova]

The tradeoff isnt tv

Its 1 min voke

[pliant yew]

what instance is the best to run and use bonus rolls on for a shitty geared resto?

[cerulean shadow]

i'd say nexus pont xenas

[tough portal]

NPX, Skyreach, Algethar

All good

[thorn plover]

Hi guys how does this nerf affect doc tracking? Thanks

[gentle nova]

How does this nerf affect druid mobility

[thorn plover]

🤔

[spark river]

you missed it kekw

[thorn plover]

Any good?

[spark river]

Was pretty boring to me tbh

There is a mattiu cook you might be interested in

[thorn plover]

3 apex?

Or new

[upper hamlet]

Yo guys I have to heal on paladins. Gimme top 5 tips! Thank you!

[marsh prism]

everybody have m33kauras for dispels

[gentle nova]

Yeah the one we were talking last nite

[thorn plover]

Well atleast tuning this season has kept us cooking talents constantly

[thorn plover]

Watch vods (vrocas' is good) and learn the movement.

And what nance said. Make sure everyone has that dispel weakaura

[upper hamlet]

Thanks!

[hardy fern]

Why do we go wild stalker; everbloom talents in mythic raids now over the 45 sec convoke; everbloom treant build?

[gentle nova]

Cause ws buffs apex more

[hardy fern]

Ok ty

[thorn plover]

Makes us more mobile

[naive chasm]

is there a reason pendant of aching grief is listed as BIS over the M+ necklace that has more haste and less vers?

haste oversaturation?

[thorn plover]

Bis lists are fake

Ignore and sim your guy

[tough portal]

The distinction doesnt matter much, they're gonna be within 0.1% in any gearing situation, and both worse than Alleria or Lura necks, or crafted haste mastery.

BIS lists are already meme-y, but BIS lists with caveats are even worse

[mental belfry]

Wonder if I coin wildspire for neck or it’s a wait for spore raid angle

[scarlet trench]

This used to work for click casting - but for some reason, the left and right clicks with Alt do not work (target unit frame and open menu)
Any idea why?

[naive chasm]

on qe live it says crafted necklace is worse sadly

I guess just the lower ilvl or something

[tough portal]

The only necks better for me on QELive

Are you looking at haste mastery crafted?

Or crit haste

Or not 285

[naive chasm]

I tried it with the thalassian phoenix torque rather than just the one without the unique effect since i figured it's same amount of stats and an extra effect

but looking at it maybe qe live doesn't have that item

because it doesnt seem to refer it to at all in the results panel

[tough portal]

Thalassian phoenix torque isnt the same item bro

[tough portal]

Because you already have 2 embellished items in other slots that you didnt select alternatives for

[naive chasm]

that makes sense

ok seems to work now although the difference is not really worth worrying about it seems

[untold crane]

What is better, catweaving or Owlweaving atm?

17-18 key range

[naive chasm]

don't think we owlweave atm but i'm not an expert

[untold crane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTiQy4yTWgE pretty insane build

[naive chasm]

if you go that build then sure but it has significant weaknesses

much higher skill/knowledge requirement

[tough portal]

Feel free to make your own decision but we have it on good authority that most people falling in love with the idea that they'll play like MDI competitors with their MDI teammates will not, in fact, play like those people

And they may just brick keys failing to heal trivial things cuz they're nerfing their healing spells by >15%

Starfire by itself, yes, sure, better damage than catweaving in AOE. The whole rest of the setup to maximize Starfire is a major healing tradeoff

[smoky sail]

also isnt the build kinda meh now that they fixed the blooming bug?

[wind ermine]

What is everyone using to track abundance stacks? I have the blizzard one but its annoying to try and use during fights

[subtle cobalt]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/rejuvtracker
Good for seeing when your rejuves are going to drop too

[wind ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/durant-mvp-most-valuable-player-you-the-real-mvp-basketball-gif-5692998

[tough portal]

Yeah in theory it isnt a super major nerf but the feel of it outside of the Call proc is very nerfed without instant procs

[restive jasper]

Hottracker

[gentle nova]

I feel like doc is playable but just for the coted window

Like being able to do big dps for 15 seconds without needing
To heal can add up

But outside that you just need to heal normally

And ofc be aware of the healing tradeoff you are doing

[tardy cedar]

why is it bugged it always worked like this. for like 2 expansions

[gentle nova]

No it didnt

Still wrong. Some patches ago when they buffed sf for moonkin they fucked up the resto version

[scarlet trench]

Oh boo I realized that DandersFrames is causing this somehow.

[tough portal]

It's just a problem of awareness, nobody that has the awareness to cast Stafires without being caught off after Call window without any healing is out there asking others for permission to try a talent

[tardy cedar]

is the person talking about the AOE damage equals healing or something else?

[gentle nova]

It used to splash for 25% damage for resto

They buffed moonkin to splash for 70% aoe

And they also made resto sf splash for 70%

[tardy cedar]

ahhh I see

my bad

[gentle nova]

clearly oversight

[tardy cedar]

reminds me of symbiosis warlock def cooldown as moonkin in (actual) MOP 😄 we had the unnerfed version the whole xpac

[gentle nova]

I tried coted doc and its still sketch

Even just healing during coted

[tough portal]

Yeah

Especially if you have to move

Where you could just send a NS or Convoke with full hots out

When you have no hots it does nothing

[slender laurel]

Random comment but like how much overall worth it are enchantments

Like let’s say weapon

It just feels so much more expensive and for what, to get a new weapon next week

[tough portal]

Or when you were targeting a mob that jumps away

Or tank is kiting and the target was standing still for 3s casting some shit

Starfire misses the cleave on everything

It's really randomly annoying/shit

[whole horizon]

depends. a single enchant? not much, 0.2%-0.5%.

all of your enchants combined? probably 5-6%, maybe more.

aint no way youre replacing your weapon more than twice tho, that sounds like poor planning on your part.

[tough portal]

Also like dont be poor

Sorry

[gaunt willow]

Also use this addon it’s brilliant alongside the Lifebloom addon from the same dev

[slender laurel]

That Sounds like some I’m into enchanting propaganda buy my stuff

But nah 🤣, I’m just a greedy goblin I did the basic ones just rings and weapons and I think feet I was like for that much, pass

[gaunt willow]

Call + Starfire build is great for weeklies but I wouldn’t use it for pugging beyond about +14

[thorn whale]

Why ask about optimization if you don’t care

[gaunt willow]

I think Blizz should buff catweaving and leave the restokin magic damage where it is - still barely comparable to MW anyway

[slender laurel]

.2% isn’t worth 20k+ for 3 days imo

Is all

When I’ll only realistically play for a couple hours 1 day

But say it was some weird 3-4 % and way more then I thought, then maybe

[distant birch]

Depends how much gold u got in the end

i put 10k chest enchant on 230 blue adventurer chest since why not

[thorn plover]

🙋‍♂️❤️

[spark river]

stop taking credit away from the dev

[thorn plover]

Dreamgrove the real dev

[gentle charm]

is the meta for gearing now use your bonus rolls for the week + vault -> craft anything else?

[blissful steeple]

anyone know what causes SotF to randomly not proc of Swiftmend?

[whole horizon]

no, do you have a log that shows it happening?

[fickle garden]

self LB in keys or LB squishy?

[molten gull]

That's how I feel with anything below hero gear. I'm not gonna spend 1000s on a piece that low, but I know I should if I want to do the best content. But I also know if I have champ gear I'm likely not going to be pushing as high as I can so might as well wait for better gear

[molten gull]

Whatever you're comfortable with really. We have lots of tools to keep squishies alive during times they need help

but at the end of the day, if they're getting 1 shot, lifebloom on them isn't gonna do shit

[tough portal]

Only really craft the 2 embellishments and maybe a neck if you dont put embellishment there. Everything else you get from bonus rolls and you'll be swimming in gear to use your myth crests on

[gentle nova]

Swap it around

Apex 1 sucks its not worth to minmax it

[cunning atlas]

Be aware that this attitude gets you dropped from groups. Plenty of people boot unenchanted people out of principle

[gentle nova]

Its probably procing and you are not aware

If you queue a sm as you are casting a rg it will proc it insta

[molten gull]

If we're talking higher keys, for sure, but if your'e just ripping weekly 10s and your IO is above 10s, no one will care

[slender laurel]

🤷🏽‍♀️ I was getting kicked out of 10’s and people left my group when I listed mine at 230 ilevel

If they wanna kick me out of 17+ keys is what it is, sure I get it id eventually enchant but nobody has yet if they start at 17+ I’ll learn from there

But honestly once 3400 I’ll probably just stop anyways

[molten gull]

You can do like 10 types of content to rapidly get far higher than 230 ilvl

[cunning atlas]

I've seen people booted for it, and I have booted people for it. Not if they happen to miss a single enchant, but if none of their shit is enchanted/gemmed, totally

[blissful steeple]

yes looks like that was it...

[cunning atlas]

It's not even about the 5% throughput or whatever, it's about signaling that you cant be bothered to do the bare minimum

[molten gull]

yeah i always just max level enchant/gem anything that is hero or myth, but ill do cheap enchants on champ gear or no enchant if the only options are 5k+ like those damn chest ones

[abstract tulip]

230 ilvl is like a fresh 90 that did renown epics and full set of adventure gear.. they would be a complete carry in a m+ 10

[molten gull]

but I'll also delve, prey, craft, etc to get higher level gear asap because i don't want to be struggling earlier than i have to

[slender laurel]

I don’t do other content lol, tbh I finally got into a raid group which is the only reason I enchanted some stuff to begin with, why level in content u don’t wanna play, if someone doesn’t want me or someone else in a group it is what it is

I list my own, if others leave it’s just the name of the game

[slender laurel]

I mean when people are tired of waiting for healers / tanks u can apply and heal it just fine

But sure, u could call it a carry I suppose

[molten gull]

Eh fair enough but I just prefer to grind/struggle through the boring content for like 1 hour to make my climb in m+ 10x easier. You can do your 4 bountiful delves or wahtever and get better gear so easily

but yeah, I get it, delves are boring as hell

tbf ive played 2 chars this xpac and if i played a 3rd i'd probbaly do what you're saying

[snow umbra]

Wheres the new post nerf build

[cunning atlas]

And this is exactly what I mean, there seems to be a strong correlation between "I cant be bothered to enchant
my gear" and "I cant be bothered to try to pull my own weight in groups content"

[slender laurel]

Pulling my own weight is a stretch, I’m an average or below average player even,

let’s be real 10’s have gotten so easy the last season ( this one ) my entire group of average players ish got on fresh ( ish ) 90’s and got our vaults filled in the first day or 2

If I’m able to keep the team fully topped up the entire dungeon without any wipes or really deaths, who could say a HEALER isn’t pulling his weight,

Also getting off work do I really wanna do anything other then play the content I like, sure call it selfish but

I mean there was Even a graph that came out saying there was heaps more 10’s then all other content by a marginal amount, I feel like if u make a group week 1 and push your key is there really anybody at the carry level the first day or 2 of season launch

As a healer u kinda just heal

Outside of kotg how much damage do we really do and how much does 30+ ilevels of damage change a weekly 10

[spare sand]

So the NERF came for our asses huh

[faint star]

hey, i couldn't find an answer to this. Does the apex talent affect harmonious blooming? 3 stacks of mastery on lifebloom, does the apex talent make it 9 stacks of mastery when we get 3 stacks of lifebloom?

[hushed sand]

I'm going to ask a question that has prob been asked a million times in a week. I'm seeing some conflicting things on videos, and wanna ask here to be sure. Do we still get the same benefit from NS -> Convoke that we've had for some time now? Boosted/free RG, etc?

[solid hemlock]

nope

[slender laurel]

Someone told me it doesn’t exist anymore

[faint star]

jdotb said that interaction does not exist anymore, as of recently

[hushed sand]

ok. I saw someone cover this, but I haven't really seen a ton of chatter on here about it.

[cunning atlas]

You're still talking about the outcome rather than the attitude. Very little point continuing this conversation if you're not even going to address the point I was making and just going on a tangent

[crude nebula]

just made it to 3rd boss of a 19 mt

wanna guess how we wipe?

anyone?

b4 boss

we didnt interrupt fear mob

GIVE US BACK INTERRUPT PLS

[slender laurel]

I agree, very little point of this conversation starting just to side comment judging someone’s attitude when all they did was ask a statistical question

Have a good day

[slender laurel]

I do miss my interrupt, sorry u had that happen

[gentle charm]

hey guys is it worth going boomie for convoke dps?

also question: getting higher keys should we save hotw for bear form defensive or just send it on boomie dps?

[crude nebula]

I've been using hotw in cat

thats what was said was "best" at the start of 12.05

no idea if thats still the best

[gentle charm]

with the boomie spec??

[crude nebula]

yeah lol

[gentle charm]

[tough portal]

Starfall needs like 7 targets to break even with Feral Frenzy

[gentle charm]

even without rip?

[crude nebula]

^

[tough portal]

Better to just send in cat for priority damage and save the talent points

[gentle charm]

dang why are we even doing boomkin spec then

[crude nebula]

afaik were not

[faint star]

hey, i couldn't find an answer to this. Does the apex talent affect harmonious blooming? 3 stacks of mastery on lifebloom, does the apex talent make it 9 stacks of mastery when we get 3 stacks of lifebloom?

[crude nebula]

its pathing

i never use boomie spec

[gentle charm]

i thought the big meta with the spell dps buffs was now on boomkin casting

or did they fix starfire and it sucks now

[crude nebula]

no like, we use boomie spells

but we stay human form

[abstract tulip]

When I’m bored I’ll push boomkin spells but it doesn’t seem to impact the overall key but it does make me panic heal more bc I get distracted

[hushed sand]

lol

same

[gentle charm]

yeah I know that

[fallen compass]

The boomkin form loses haste compared to caster form.

[gentle charm]

I mean we specced entirely out of the left side cat dps talents

[grand herald]

The "stacks" of LB just multiply the passive healing, nothing else

[tough portal]

4% magic damage out of form is better than fluid form for moonkin

[hushed sand]

It does pop out bigger RG though, right?

Not that it's a reason to do so, but if you are in boomkin and RG, those hit harder if I'm not mistaken

[abstract tulip]

It does help me when I’m picking flowers though, I can actually kill the monsters that spawn. Maybe that was their entire purpose

I was struggling in world content as a healer but not anymore

[exotic zephyr]

if I have a 6/6 hero piece in a slot, does the mythic crest cost to radiance craft in that slot get reduced by 20?

[grand herald]

no

[exotic zephyr]

ty

[viral grove]

is there a macro to cast morph to bear and frenzy regen?

[quiet wyvern]

you'll have to mash it tho

twice at least

you'll be in gcd either way

[viral grove]

i found one, and yes there is the gcd anyway but that's fine

is there a way to track the cooldown of Call of the Elder druid? it is insane that is not by default in the game

[thorn plover]

Yes, look at your debuffs

[compact umbra]

Still looking at wildstalker for build?

[viral grove]

ah, okay i see it, thanks

[restive jasper]

So after 12h of debate about the new tuning, will guides be updated or is it still chaos choice ?

[gentle nova]

I think if youre bad at optimizing nb and tv you just stay the same build

[crystal kettle]

what decides who SOTF will hit ? is there any tech to it?

[storm kettle]

Don't think so. Don't overthink it

[glossy holly]

its proximity

20y

[crystal kettle]

ohh thanks 👍

[main timber]

No updates until Tuesday

[smoky sail]

i dont even think stuff changes much with the tuning

[bright swift]

You think this changes anything for builds though

[main timber]

Doubt it but they also dropped them at the start of weekend so I've barely looked

[proven phoenix]

I care more about the dps changes than healer tbh

I dont want lura to be even harder if we dont kill on sunday

[fallow axle]

So I got a weird question that maybe somebody here can help me with. I mean mw monk and have been leveling a restore for fun. The problem that I’m having is putting rejuvenation on one of my mouse keys is giving my hand tendinitis cause we have to cast so much. Anyone have an idea of how to not have this problem? Have multiple keys assigned to rejuvenation? Just looking for random ideas in case I could come across one.

[proven phoenix]

I have rejuv on left click

[glossy holly]

yeah main button will do

and lessen the amount u click rej with swift-rej casts

[fallow axle]

Right that’s exactly what I’m talking about then my pointer finger willhurt after a couple dungeons

[proven phoenix]

oh

yeah I mean

[pulsar jewel]

Naga mouse or similar 😬

[proven phoenix]

there's not much to do here

there

[odd vault]

put it on mousewheel

[proven phoenix]

you can move it to a keyboard key perhaps but idk

[fallow axle]

I feel like I cast more rejuvenations than every other spell combined. Is that just the way Druid is played now

[glossy holly]

mouseover rej to keyboard button

[proven phoenix]

no

[glossy holly]

rejuvenations are indeed semi important cuz the more there is, more regrowth u can throw

[proven phoenix]

I have as many or sometimes more regrowths than rejuvs

[fallow axle]

So over a course of a dungeon, you will cast more regrowth than rejuvenations?

[glossy holly]

depends entirely on teams dmg taken

sometimes its super chill so u may not cast that many regrowths

[proven phoenix]

no not usually more

[fallow axle]

I do have a thumb button on my mouse that I can assign into. That might help a lot.

[proven phoenix]

but certainly not so many rejuvs that I have more rejuvs than everything else combined

[tough portal]

Clickcasters are heathens

100%

[grizzled seal]

I'm dropping apex 4 for 1 min convoke

[bright swift]

That would be TV for me

but idk

[grizzled seal]

Apex4 definitely becomes quite a bit weaker

I'm not sure if it's worth dropping though

I have some pulls where it's doing around 4%

[tardy jacinth]

Who should I be putting symbiotic relationship on in mythic chimmy?

[hardy fern]

is putting Source of Magic on mistweavers troll bc they dont have mana issues

[grizzled seal]

Source of magic is not for mana

It's for 3% healing

[bright swift]

my best pull it was 276 blooms, of which was it was 105 from apex 4

so that's 7% of my total healing

i don't think i'm dropping that 🙂

[grizzled seal]

How are you counting that

[bright swift]

18.84% everbloom healing total

/ 276 * 105

[gentle nova]

Yeah now -20% it

[bright swift]

oh right

uh

5.7%

Surely that's still better than TV

[gentle nova]

Depends how hard u play into rg

If you have 15 rg cpm prolly not

[tardy jacinth]

Should I just choose a fleshy dps? Like does it really matter?

[grizzled seal]

Put it on a tank

[stiff ruin]

Any advice on how to heal triple DoT mechanics? (like on 17+ keys)

[wheat cape]

How does one make the lura dusk crystals show up on raid frames?

[tardy jacinth]

When looking at loks there not a lot of consistency across groups so I was mainly in my just curious but I was also thinking tank

[bright swift]

they show up on boss frames, you heal them there

[wheat cape]

Right, but how does one make the lura dusk crystals show up on raid frames?

[grizzled seal]

One does not

[raven furnace]

I think danders does have a pinned frames feature to do that, never tried it though

[wheat cape]

What if instead of one not doing that, one actually does do that

[viral grove]

Is Harmonious Blooming talent applied for each stack of Lifebloom? or it ignores the 3 stacks of the apex talent?

[lucid token]

I'm missing my wild growth cooldowns (8 secs)

Anyone know of a setting or addon that will flash the icon ENOURMOUSLY across the screen?

I'm already using TTS on the regular cooldown manager

[grizzled seal]

The talents are not related in any way and do completely different things

[grizzled seal]

Why do you want to cast WG on cd? That's not how we play

[bright swift]

I do 🙂

[grizzled seal]

fact check: fake news

[viral grove]

Harmonious blooming says it counts Lifebloom as 3 stacks of the mastery: harmony, the apex allows Lifebloom to stack 3 times so i don't understand why you say they are not related

[grizzled seal]

I say that because their effects are not related

Hope this helps

[fervent mica]

completely different things

[grizzled seal]

Apex is just increasing tick healing and mastery stacks are completely separate from that

[boreal karma]

the lifebloom stacks and mastery stacks are not the same thing

[viral grove]

okay, i understand, ty 🙂

[boreal karma]

🙂

[bold plume]

in skyreach, is there a way to get the solar laser on the frames? ie: show a debuf to whoever is targeted or at least get an alert of who is targeted.

Using danders I could not finr a way of configuring it

[rich hamlet]

I use targeted spells addon for that kind of thing

[whole horizon]

Lens Flare? or the party-wide DoT?

[fervent mica]

both of them show up with base ui, so you're blocking it somehow

[lucid token]

O rly?

[whole horizon]

that seems specific to whatever addon that is

unless the crystal acts as a vehicle, it wont natively replace raid frames

[rotund geode]

Anyone has a free dander profile to share that's neat for pushing keys and raiding?

[stiff ruin]

I figured how to heal high keys pretty decently now - not DPSing at all unless a BIG downtime

only doing 12-15K

[gaunt willow]

There is a good one in the pins

[haughty ibex]

its a private aura, not sure how u configure it on danders tho

[urban bone]

I’m pretty sure if you enable debuffs in danders you can see it on the frames during the cast, danders also has a targeted spells list that shows when it’s being cast in a separate timer bar section

[livid hearth]

is there a way to track what dungeons i have used my bonus rolls on last week?

or should i track it manually

[proven phoenix]

manually

you want to bonus roll the same dungeon ideally so shouldnt be too hard

assuming you dont just 1 shot everything you need

[rotund geode]

thanks, what do you guys use to hide your own frame when in party

[static wadi]

In higher keys, 14-16, are you all keeping LB on tank, or dps?

[west topaz]

kinda depends

like if the tank is not having much happening then i just keep it on one of us and i go stand with them or similar

[rotund geode]

about my question for hiding your own frame when healing im using danders and uuf but i cant find any option to do so

[wide goblet]

The answer to this question always depends. Skyreach second boss for example, tank takes like 0 damage comparatively, so lifebloom goes on a beam soaker, ideally one without a defensive

[lyric surge]

If you get the keystone loot addon, it will track for you. If you've already rolled some you can manually mark those utems but future rolls should be auto tracked

[swift pine]

any reason why the wowhead article recommends the boomy talents instead of the cat dmg talents for m+?

[crude nebula]

3% nerf? guess we're no longer good

gg

[pastel dragon]

i find my stuggle points in dungeons are usually big first pulls where im unsure how long i need to wait before i can start healing the tank and the party. is it usually on the tank to have CDs for gathering a first pull and should i be able to strart ramping on the party as long as they dont attack until the tank has aggro?

[glossy holly]

just throw the hots during the run

[grand herald]

cause they do more damage now

[glossy holly]

aggro is not that serious if tank uses proper skills to pull mobs

[pastel dragon]

ok thanks, ill try to begin throwing out heals sooner, as the tank is gathering

[urban bone]

Agreed unless the tank says not to heal yet I’d just start with some hots and then start blasting as the group comes together

[vast rapids]

Any tips on healing last boss skyreach on 19? Everyone keeps saying it’s an easy dungeon that boss feels harder than most if not all bosses this season

I feel like eventually I run out of gas and someone dies especially in a PUG with no communication about defensives

[oak garnet]

If I know it's a big pull and tank getting blasted it's on him. If I'm playing w a paper dps (mage) I tend to have it on him. If no paper dps or big tank damage just standard rot damage I'll have on self

But in 14-16 you could keep on tank 24/7 and be fine

[glossy holly]

i certainly cant comment much as i dont even do +19's but typically u should have more than enough if u just swift-rej team constantly and LB on weakest member topped with hots and then just throw regrowth/WG

[hardy canopy]

1. never let rejuvs drop
2. sm rg always
3. watch for walls and convoke/tranq/bark when ppl are out of defensives
4. aug is the lb target 99% of the time
5. don't try to wild charge out of kidnap in pugs as ppl die to LoS or cus of that single global in my experience, ask to get cleaved down

[lament river]

Do we still take some cat talents in m+ Can see some top druids still have it.

[glossy holly]

some do, some doesnt

caster dps is sufficient atm tho

[lament river]

Seems fine on aoe

[hardy canopy]

because healer dmg is cosmetic and casting starfire without doc is the most inefficient thing cus someone might die to lack of hots

[tough portal]

I'm not taking starfire anymore fuck that shit casting that spell gives me aids

[haughty ibex]

wdym how don’t u enjoy casting for 2 seconds

[hardy canopy]

i hate starfire and i hate the youtube vids romanticizing doc

i literally have to turn off comments on any druid streamer

[graceful ermine]

Reject modernity return to kitte

[rare yacht]

Guys Im kinda unlucky with raid trinkets drop… which M+ trinket you would use until it? hearth wind and ?

[urban bone]

Check the trinket list on QElive

https://questionablyepic.com/live/trinkets