resto

[kind star]

I finally wanted to start doing 10s... after this seat I went back to 7s ish

[thorn plover]

You shouldn't ever go cat unless you're dashing from something

[south pasture]

Wat about mythic plus is that same

[thorn plover]

Same

[sly pivot]

Or when you got a ret in pit and they don’t know what freeedom is

[fierce isle]

DOC cat sleeper raid build unlocked?????

[thorn plover]

Dont

[kind star]

guildies too busy farming 15s smh, hate pugging its a toss of the coin wether you get dps with brains or not

[fierce isle]

DPS have brains?

[sly pivot]

I got a 15 WS in my bag ready to lose some brain cells tomorrow

[fierce isle]

The zug is strong

[thorn plover]

Some dps

Not many

[kind star]

I mean at least something ressembling a brain id hope

ive just been looking at my seat logs since yday rofl...

[thorn plover]

I guess I see why people struggle with seat, but I actually find it to be one of the easier ones

Outside of tentacle boss and the 2 pulls before it

[kind star]

just makes me feel better now sure I could have played better probably but the group played like shit

[analog skiff]

is specing master shapeshifter instead of liveliness in raid huge heal loss ?

[spark river]

liveliness is 2% (i think)

[hollow path]

Anyone have a strong spec for utilizing Call of the Elder Druid and Dream of Cenarius in M+? XD

[spark river]

You spec ms only if you run out of mana

[dapper minnow]

Yeah this is what I hate most. Glad I am not the only one.

[spark river]

I heard dorki has one

[analog skiff]

isnt it better to spam more rej and WG and take ms isntead of liveliness then

[spark river]

You only need ms on 7m+ fights

You shouldnt struggle for mana before that

[analog skiff]

wondering should i go ms for paladins myth

[rustic copper]

No

If you can figure out how to press regrowth

You do more healing anyways

[analog skiff]

idk bout that

[kind star]

ill have to try liveliness idk how to even oom tbh

[raven turtle]

How do I dps

Pls help

[analog skiff]

240k hps for 6-7 mins will be interesting to not oom

😄

[spark river]

dont spam wg on cd

[kind star]

#resto message

[analog skiff]

1 rej is like 80% of the mana wg cost but it heals 5 ppl

[rustic copper]

I was 8 mins no ms on Lura with 230k on logs before we wiped

[analog skiff]

send log

[rustic copper]

Private

[analog skiff]

[spark river]

asking once again to unprivate the secret regrowth files

[raven turtle]

So I don’t rip all targets as wild stalker?

Or rake

Idk whatever the combo builder is

[kind star]

depends on situation if people needs to be healed, id try to at least put 1 rip up it mentions rip usage in the spenders section

[dusky dove]

Hi guys, i have mana problems in dungeons (+16-17) ( I need to drink often) & problems to heal big dot dmg, like in a +17 / 18 skyreach at 2 boss, the laserbeam dot on 3 targets. I logged a +16 Seat and also have a video of it, but i cant upload my log, cant create a warcraft log account, the side has problems atm. Is it ok if i just send a video link of the key here and you guys watch over it and tell me what im doin wrong?

Other question is, does catweaving gain mana or heal ? ive done it in that +16 Seat key to test it and it felt better idk ? is this maybe true?

[thorn whale]

Effective or are you talking with overhealing here??

[analog skiff]

effective ofc

[analog skiff]

try ms

dps = mana

[thorn whale]

Idk which fight requires you to piss out 240k hps for 6-7 minutes

[analog skiff]

if still u miss mana u can get inervate

[dusky dove]

ms?

[analog skiff]

master shapeshifter

[slow pasture]

Master shapeshift

[spark river]

Tapering over bad gameplay with master shapeshifter doesnt seem beneficial at all

[dusky dove]

ahhh mb, i have it in german. ok that makes sence, so if im active doing dps (Dots) i get mana (faster)?

[slow pasture]

Also. Whats your healing plan on 2nd boss

[dusky dove]

3 target dmg invoming: one guy become lifebloom, and if the beam start im doing swiftmend into big hots before that wildgrow

[thorn whale]

@analog skiff

[analog skiff]

this is why they created it'

[spark river]

No they didnt

[analog skiff]

read the chat above

[spark river]

wtf is this argument

[analog skiff]

they did

[thorn whale]

Ah so paladin myth

[analog skiff]

rdudu had mana issues before and had no ms

ppl were complaining

[grizzled seal]

Liveliness?

[thorn whale]

I don’t think you need 240k hps for 7 mins on paladins

[rustic copper]

Ye

I feel so strong on that boss

[analog skiff]

get this guy expert role

[dusky dove]

?:D

[rustic copper]

Details hps

[thorn whale]

Must be

[rustic copper]

1M gold

[eternal bough]

anyone has solution for that ? Hello, i hope someone can help me with an issue I got with DF. I cant see some debuffs, like the Runic Glaive in Magister's Terrace from Runed Spellbreak, but other debuffs I can see. Like the Runic Mark from the boss Sernael Sunlash. I've tried to rearranged position, made sure its turned on, changed the size, but it feels like certain debuff is gone, like when the Gargoyle, I used to be able to see the target of the Plungegrip was, but now I cant. And I even reinstalled the addon, and set it default settings.

[analog skiff]

[haughty ibex]

im p sure those are private auras so u need to set it up

they wont be showed as normal debuffs

[keen raven]

did i read in here that NS convoke doesnt work anymore or was that a fever dream

[dusky dove]

here is the gameplay (without MS, i will test that out!) Talents are shown at the start.if you have time, watch over it and tell me what im doin wrong. I try to upload my log from that key later, if warcraft logs works again. Btw. i had at the end 95k hps over all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfkZ8_qc5Bo&feature=youtu.be

[grizzled seal]

Run liveliness through analyzer

How much is it even doing for you?

[rustic copper]

I legit can’t

Also wowa is fake

[grizzled seal]

Ok

[rustic copper]

It should add 5% to all natty bloom procs

[mint gate]

In theory isn't it just 5% maybe a little over for increased number of blooms?

[thorn whale]

Correct

[grizzled seal]

If you have 20-25% of your healing from main regrowth and NB then liveliness can't be that good

[rustic copper]

5% to photo procs

[grizzled seal]

Show your everbloom healing

[rustic copper]

Not at pc

It’s 2nd usually

[ruby dock]

If i upgrade my 259 crafted wep to myth and then i bonus roll a myth wep, is that new one free to upgrade?

[rustic copper]

Like 16% I think?

[rustic copper]

Symb bloom procs I mean

[eager arch]

Yep up to the ilvl of the crafted weapon

[ruby dock]

tysm

[mint gate]

230k isn't wholly unreasonable at 285. I'm a little under 270 with recorded kills at 150 using MS, and know I could be using CDs better

[rustic copper]

15 ilvls is almost exactly 15% throughput

[mint gate]

Smaller raid too

[thorn plover]

Niko what's WG cpm on paladins please

Sola yelling at me for 3 cpm. I say too high still

[rustic copper]

Idr

[thorn plover]

Lol

[spark river]

hes on 25% mana on 23 % boss hp

[rustic copper]

Again not at pc I’m not digging up logs

[spark river]

press the wg big guy

[rustic copper]

Goal is 0% mana at 0% boss health

[spark river]

without a second innervate

btw

[thorn plover]

Surely I had used my 2nd inner there

No?

[spark river]

no

i checked

[thorn plover]

Wow

Ok I'll push it more

You convinced me

[spark river]

I mean its just a suggestion at the end of the day

[thorn plover]

Yeah

[spark river]

I have the problem of pressing it too much right now

[thorn plover]

Honestly I'm usually well over 4 cpm

I purposely backed off

[grizzled seal]

I'm gonna try liveliness today but I'm skeptical

MS is also fucking dogshit tbh

Looking at my logs

I am losing my own innervate in the start but I can get a moonkin one later

[thorn plover]

I switched from embrace to livliness and definitely getting more everbloom increase than embrace was giving me

[rustic copper]

I’m giving my first innervate and I’m the only Druid

The biggest problem with embrace is its shit if you’re double rejuving

Which is important

[thorn plover]

I never even thought of that, that makes a lot of sense

[rare bear]

hi! usually, about 90% of the time, I use Swiftmend on the tank to keep their HoTs up consistently. Is that the right approach, or should I be holding it more for situations where I need an immediate emergency heal?

[thorn plover]

Lifebloom target, if you're using VI

[grizzled seal]

Are you double rejuving in p2 though

[rustic copper]

Yes

[grizzled seal]

Or do you mean self

[rustic copper]

It’s important to setup rejuvs for pandemic recycling later on

[grizzled seal]

And what are you doing with regrowth then

[rustic copper]

For higher abundance windows

[rare bear]

My tank has Lifebloom up 100% of the time

[rustic copper]

I’m rejuving and regrowthing seed carriers mostly

[grizzled seal]

Oh not that again

[rustic copper]

And obv triaging

[wise galleon]

Is the standard still not going OOM in M+? Even if I dont get Master Shapeshifter but I do owlweave?

[rustic copper]

I should check how many of my regrowths were casted on targets with regrowth

It’s definitely high

[grizzled seal]

Why are you doing that though

You are losing 20% of regrowth healing on that

[rare bear]

and after using Swiftmend, do you prefer casting Regrowth or Rejuvenation to spread it instantly to more teammates?

[deft oar]

I've seen people give mixed opinions on saying your abundance stacks should be 10+ or some saying just start regrowthing at 7+, I assume it's situational but for a fight like mythic lura what are people doing?

I'm normally doing 7 ish stacks into regrowth and then going wider when I'm going to tranq

[thorn plover]

Almost always rejuv. Like 95% of the time, maybe even more

[spark river]

What I have noticed is that you re switching lifebloom targets a lot and never extending lifebloom with hots with verdant infusion. You re also often sitting on swiftmend when you can use it to spread rejuvs and you rather decide to spam regrowths than to use convoke or tranq. These probably make you run into your mana problems.

[rare bear]

Ok so, im good

[rustic copper]

In a vacuum if all you did was cast regrowth on the last gcd of the hot vs on a new character then you’d have the same avg nb stacks (1 less immediately, 1 more later) and every rg gcd would have 1 extra mastery stack on the initial heal and 40% crit

[grizzled seal]

I agree with low duration regrowth

But surely you aren't regrowthing someone at 6 seconds

[soft dagger]

by chance i just did a 16 seat and time almost the same time as you did here with 2 deaths. I dont think you have a mana problem, end of most pull you are at 70% mana, thats totally fine. Sipping thruout the dungeon is what healers suppose to do. I think what you can improve is to anticipate those fights a little bit better. Like boss 2 you die because you eat a ob but shit can happen so thats ok. But boss 3 intermission you have convoke, usually you will just WG then convoke because it will coming back exactly at every intermission after that. You were healing with spells then after the group dips in hp to much you convoke which should be in reverse. you convoke first, that last you half of the intermission then just heal whatever damage left since convoke gave you lot of hots on all of your group members. I think you are just insecure about your mana, just run MS.

[grizzled seal]

I think I get your point

This works for pandemic hots

Sub 3.6s regrowths

[past tusk]

how far behind is kotg compared to ws? I would like to play it in m+ since I like the fantasy more if that makes sense, but if the gap is too big I obviously wont

[spark river]

roughly 10% healing wise

[past tusk]

ouch thats quite a lot

[spark river]

You can time 20 keys with kotg as people have done, but ws is clearly better

[past tusk]

I wonder what makes ws so much better, but its difficult to compare a set of 10 talents to another set I guess 🙂

[gleaming spoke]

I'd imagine it's the bigger heals through crit and healing the symbiotic bloom 20% healing boost.

[past tusk]

I meant 14 talents 😄

[thorn plover]

Sym blooms on your entire party

[thorn plover]

There is math on it in here somewhere. I think face2face posted it

[dusky dove]

Thanks a lot for that mate! Yeah but in that dungeon i focused more on doing dmg. So mana was better. In the other dungeons i didnt do that and had problems. Yeah i go for MS.

So for sky, how do you deal with de 2. Boss in +17 or in general. How you do it with the beams?

[thorn plover]

Holy crap how did you do that? Is there a search function or something!?!!?!

😂

[kind star]

nah no search functions,pins or faq here.

[spring fulcrum]

i have seen some druids on high keys with the star fire build, barely cast rejuv

[thorn plover]

Since the BI fix this is likely not as doable, maybe not at all now

[vivid peak]

does forestwalk and harmonious constitution buff the pota regrowfts if you cast on yourself?

[spring fulcrum]

oh good then, I like my rejuvs

[gleaming spoke]

Does DoC smart heal or can it heal full target allies?

[blazing loom]

man i suck
this other resto druid keeps killing me in raid and i cant figure it out

[spark river]

Venting or want help or both?

[blazing loom]

both

want help

[spark river]

Send log

[soft dagger]

do you take NB. NB is good on boss 2. I mean you can just take one beam and heal the damage of all 3 players soaking with hots, sotf procs and Regrowth, you need to not shy away from RG on this boss.

[blazing loom]

sec mid pull

[rustic copper]

Yeah I’m aiming for pandemic if no one needs immediate healing

Do you play 40% rg crit?

[blazing loom]

i sent to u

[grizzled seal]

yeah

clearcast talent is troll

[rustic copper]

Agree

[thorn plover]

It's not smart

Iirc

Someone was talking about it yesterday

[sacred wasp]

Its ancient teachings smart but not chain heal smart

[gleaming spoke]

Can you elaborate? Ancient teachings hits lowest HP available target, right? Chain heal just hits targets that need healing in no particular order?

[hearty coral]

if you have 5 people at 90% and you hit a juice starfire its gonna heal one of them to 100%

[sacred wasp]

other way around, chain heal prioritizes lower health targets while AT heals anyone that’s damaged

[gleaming spoke]

Heard. Ty.

[hearty coral]

if you have 4 people at 90% and one at 50%

it still might choose a 90%

[dusky dove]

Sry NB? I have the game in german:D so do you lifebloom yourself, swiftment on yourself then hots? I would like to DM you, is that ok for you?

@soft dagger check your DM's 🙂

[fierce isle]

Nature’s bounty. The regrowth cleave

[summer scroll]

Hey guys, I’m new here and kind of new to resto druid (I usually play hpal). Our ST panic buttons are regrowth and swiftmend, or there are more we can do in such situations?

[spark river]

Nature swiftness -> regrowth is the go to panic button

Swiftmend is also ok

[summer scroll]

Ty!

[deft oar]

Swiftmend -> Natures swiftness -> regrowth is mini lay on hands too

[dusky dove]

Ahh yes, got it

[rotund geode]

How do you guys track abundance stacks, I use bcdm but I can't move the window somehow and it's stuck in upper left

[thorn plover]

HotTracker

Or the cdm

HotTracker tells you when your rejuvs are gonna fall off tho which is nice

[rotund geode]

Thanks

[spark river]

Glazing your own addons is certainly something 😂

[thorn plover]

None of them were my idea to be fair

Community built addons

I'll use my entire 11$ Canadian curseforge earnings to boost the server

[wet stone]

Is it better to keep LB on an Aug in M+ if tank isnt taking as much dmg, Aug seems to take way more damage from things and dip lower?

[wise galleon]

So I should take M+ top ladder talents with a grain of salt, but im currently running this:

It feels horrible for mana, and doing owlweaving just puts me in a situation where im often OOM

But like not running HB now is horrible so I dropped Nurturing Dormancy and took Liveliness instead of MS

And im having quite stressful times healing

Is the default just going OOM this often?

Should I get MS back?

[haughty ibex]

what keylvl are u playing

[wise galleon]

+17..

[haughty ibex]

Cuz if u just fuck off with liveliness and go ms ur chilling

[spark river]

We have to thank nick i guess

[haughty ibex]

yeah u def can get ms

[summer scroll]

🙏🏻

[haughty ibex]

and u shouldnt have any more mana problem

[spark river]

You re misplaying and this build considers you are catweaving because of liveliness

[wise galleon]

Yeah but then I get a healing problem, like eventually as im pushing I expect myself to switch to liveliness or is not that big of a deal? Was sweating cold on SoT and Skyreach, timed both but jesus

[thorn plover]

Livliness vs ms isnt going to make or break you at 17

[whole horizon]

oom / not enough healing are not talent issues

[thorn plover]

Even 20

[spark river]

This is the build i run btw

[haughty ibex]

I don’t see how u would get a healing problem, I run 19/20s with ms? Using that should def help ur mana issues

plenty people use ms in higher keys

[thorn plover]

VI save you mana too

Fuck prosp

[haughty ibex]

u legit won’t notice a difference 😭

[wise galleon]

Alrigthy then its just a skill issue!

Ill get better ty

[haughty ibex]

lowkey yeah, when I was playing prosp i was perma drinking…

[wise galleon]

Just wanted to know if not playing MS and owlweave was actually a thing, but I guess its not, I should catweave if going liveliness, ill stick with MS doe

[spark river]

how did we get to this moment lol

[wise galleon]

Im not gonna get VI ever

[kind granite]

If you have a mana issue you’re probably pressing rejuv too much

[thorn plover]

I was in a dark dark place

[haughty ibex]

yeah i mean the other option ig is catweave, but wat we playing is not even owlweaving as u are never an ugly owl

[kind granite]

Use swiftmend rejuv to spread rejuvs

Saved mans

[wise galleon]

yey i know just starfire and wrath stuff

[tame talon]

also - glyph of stars

[haughty ibex]

💯 then just check on logs ur sm usage and if ur refreshing rejuvs too early and ggs

[pastel dragon]

In raid are you hard keeping max amount of hots on your LB target (yourself usually) at all times for photo procs?

[tame talon]

never ugly always pretty translucence

[grand herald]

Pretty much

You wanna be extending 2 rjs anyways

[livid hearth]

Is it because of my current gear? Guide says alleria and vaelgor trinkets are bis but my qelive says lightblindedd vanguard trinket is simming better than vaelgor trinket

[grand herald]

And the RGs go to your lb target for free

[wise galleon]

Will take this advice and check next time ty, how can I check if sm usage is correct?

[rustic copper]

Always yourself and yes

[whole horizon]

are you simming for dungeon or raid in qe

[livid hearth]

both i guess? It seemed like u can choose heroic raid and m+ vault 10+ dungeons at the sam time

[grand herald]

Thats your droptimizer, he means healing style

[wise galleon]

that wasy my Skyreach 17+ with prosp

[livid hearth]

ahh changing it doesnt change anything it seems

or do i have to choose it before sim starts?

[whole horizon]

are you asking about using the trinket in dungeon or are you asking about using it in raid

[paper hound]

Saw someone talk about the talent "Propserity", is that not used? Thought more swiftmends for more powered-up rejuvs was the move or is it not? In M+ setting.

[livid hearth]

mostly dungeon. We do heroic raid only to get the bis trinkets

[grand herald]

Its personal choice really

VI is popular as it saves a lot of GCDs

[mental belfry]

extend powered up rejuvs and save globals for more regrowths

[paper hound]

Ohhh.. then I'd have to use my brain to remember what is powered or not

[livid hearth]

we do weekly heroic progress but it seems like we end up doing both? Weekly 6 bosses and alleria heroic progress just to get heroic alleria drop while doing weekly 8 10-12 dungeons. Altho we would like to do more dungeons, the limited time we have is enough for those only

[whole horizon]

selecting dungeon vs raid should absolutely change your trinket prio if it's close, because the raid profile for resto druid causes litany to lose like 15% of its value compared to dungeon

[grand herald]

They have different icons

[whole horizon]

and if it doesn't change then it's not close.

[livid hearth]

ok so litany is better for dungeon content we are interested in?

[whole horizon]

they should be very close in m+

[haughty ibex]

oh are u play prosp still? I thought u were playing vi

[wise galleon]

VI saves GCD but also Prosperity saves GCD by applying soul of the forest rejuvs or regrowths more often then VI -> also when you consume soul of the forest lifelboom blooms, so you get more blooms with Prosp

I dont get why ppl playing VI in M+ whatever

[whole horizon]

raid should be vaelgor's still

[wise galleon]

Also more spot healing with prosp just from being able to consume more hots

[livid hearth]

also delve t11 vault trinkets seem better than m+ vault trinkets too right? If u see the sim as well

i was curious about that

[wise galleon]

ye playing prosp

[grand herald]

This isnt as crazy of a difference as you are making it out to be

[wise galleon]

Also if we take HB on higher keys I assume that VI does not like the playstyle of moving LB

because you have to prepare multiple hots on someone to use swiftmend effectively

[mental belfry]

using SM on CD as VI will give you the same number of SM and prosp, but instead of getting + 16 seconds on rejuvs & LB you are losing a rejuv stack you need to reapply

[wise galleon]

Just my opinion and gameplay style

[paper hound]

Talking about gameplay style, I see on archon that its a mix of boomieweave/catweaving now. Are you guys also running that? In my current set up, I only have catweaving available. Is having starfire/sunfire just allow you to pad on big packs?

[whole horizon]

if you're limited to only heroic ilvl trinkets, sure

myth track heart of wind and emberwing feather are both better than the delve trinkets

[livid hearth]

yep ur right

if we dont have that we should probably do weekly 8x t11 delves it seems like

until we get one of those trinkets maybe

[wise galleon]

But having 2 charges means you can pull out faster heals for specific dangerous events, it has more spot healing

[whole horizon]

i'd be more inclined to run m+ or heroic raid, since the heroic raid trinkets are still miles better than the delve options

[mint gate]

Ooooh yeah having the second charge DOES mean more everblooms. That might be good arena tech

[livid hearth]

yep, as mentioned we are still doing more than 8x weekly 10 dungeons and heroic raid progress untl alleria, guild run we are in havent killed alleria yet

[eternal bough]

wow analyzer is it a thing for resto druid ?

[livid hearth]

so until we get better trinkets from weekly vault mythic+ bonus rolls maybe maximizing better trinkets by running t11 delves too?

[mint gate]

It is!

[west topaz]

even with owlweave current build, we still get mana back from catbiting yes?

[whole horizon]

read your Master Shapeshifter talent

[eternal bough]

ty

[eternal bough]

what should i mostly looking for there ? when i check

[west topaz]

ok glad ty

[whole horizon]

look at everything

all of the info on that page is useful for you to improve

[west topaz]

lmfao i had to go login to rdudu just to check

[whole horizon]

wowanalyzer highlights bad things for you in big red letters, so that's a good place to start

[crude nebula]

do we keep lb on ourself

in m+?

im noticing jdot keep it on himself pretty much always

[mint gate]

There's not much configured. Make sure Lifebloom uptime is >95%, that you're refreshing 3 stacks (or a valid reason to swap), and that your CD usage is good

[wise galleon]

but wow-analyzer is less good for M+ content, its more about highlights for bad things on raid healing

[eternal bough]

this is regarding M+ not raid
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/Frj6JPZHvLxbcMkz/2/79 is there anything wrong

[whole horizon]

it's very good for both, it just depends on what you're looking for and if you know how to read

things like cooldown efficiency are obviously different in M+. as a healer you don't want to pay too much attention to that section or you may draw the wrong conclusions.

[wise galleon]

also it will always tell you, you used tranq wrong because its taking in consideration raid healing stuff

beacuse we dont take flourish for tranq in M+

[mint gate]

Admittedly, I don't do much M+. This looks fine imo. Do you feel like healing is too intense to find non-healing ways to mitigate damage? Incap, War Stomp, vortex/typhoon, yada yada

[eternal bough]

tyvm

[mental belfry]

prob keep on it the tank on trash and aug on bosses. you already regrowth yourself for 40% more and have 2 of the best defensive CD's in the game. You dont really need the healing.

[whole horizon]

@eternal bough you're still pairing NS with Convoke. NS no longer buffs Regrowths cast by Convoke, so you need to stop pressing those buttons together.

[eternal bough]

lol really?

from when wtf

[whole horizon]

it was hotfixed over a week ago

[haughty ibex]

i used to think that but legit makes no difference and VI feels lowkey better

and gives u way less mana problems

with prosp i was perma reapplying rejuvs even when it wasn’t needed just to not have sm on 2stacks

[spark river]

Looking at wowanalyzer for m+ is pointless. It was made for raiding.

[old spoke]

i keep switching between VI and Prosp. depending on the dungeon having two charges within a 4 sec period in pugs is nice to have, like in MT. For me at least. But VI feels better and idk why. I think its from what alice said with recasting rejuv more

[mint gate]

It's the GCD economy that makes it feel so good. It's objectively less burst/on-demand healing, which is the trade off

[tough portal]

What's VI offering differently than Prosp in this case where 'Rejuv wasn't needed'

Cuz all it does is just extend Rejuvs too

And gives you a much longer window of pooling Swiftmend i.e. you have more time to get good effective uses out of your charges without losing out on cast efficiency

[thorn plover]

3 weeks

[haughty ibex]

nothing? other than my skill issue

as i said i found myself pressing buttons and reapplying dots even when i didn’t have to

wasting mana for 0 reason jst cuz prospy

[whole horizon]

that's not a problem with the talent though

it's really good if you can play around it

VI is also really good for different reasons. you end up casting the same amount of Rejuvs bc you have the extra SotF to spread compared to extending 2 constantly.

[haughty ibex]

it isn’t when did i claim it was a prob from the talent

its legit my skill issue as i said

[tough portal]

[proven phoenix]

are u misleading people alice

[tough portal]

I think prosp plays better into bombing big sotf regrowths back to back with nature's bounty and if people did it more they would see the truth

[haughty ibex]

every day for my own pleasure

[tough portal]

But I also am trying to make mega manectric work so what do I know

[proven phoenix]

quit it

be nice

[haughty ibex]

u guys are ragebaiting me i said im the noob that was trolling with prosperity

i will 4ever defend prosp VI jst works better for myself 💯 legit just preference

[spark river]

pick a side alice

dont be politically correct

[whole horizon]

you wrote "prosp gives u mana problems" so i just wanted to make sure

[haughty ibex]

u = me in my head

gives me less mana problems

[crude nebula]

what exactly is the point of keeping lb on ourself?

is it enhanced by talents or something im missing?

[whole horizon]

yeah. we have several talents that amplify self-healing and that increases the strength of our apex cleave healing

natural recovery 4%
forestwalk 16%
active symbiotic blooms are 20% bc of vigorous creepers
you guarantee a symbiotic bloom on your swiftmend target with the WS talent Implant

[wheat obsidian]

what pots do i use in raid? should i have high haste with recklessness?

[grand herald]

Recklessness is good yeah

[wheat obsidian]

should i have highest haste or mastery then? since it takes highest secondary

i have pretty equal and i can just decide with flask basicly

[kind granite]

Get 1000-1100 each and fire away

[grand herald]

Haste is very strong in raid

[wheat obsidian]

currently with haste flask, pretty happy with these

[kind granite]

Haste probably prio because you have less hots per target

[wise galleon]

I usually qelive and it tells me what flask to use

at the bottom when running top-gear

[wheat obsidian]

was about to ask ^^

k it says mastery

ill trust ^^

thanks ❤️

[grand herald]

Make sure your qelive is set to raid

[wheat obsidian]

true

nvm haste then

xd

[eternal bough]

how to change qe to raid ?

[tough frigate]

Is there a club I can join for people too dumb to swap to caster weapon and trinkets and not realising for a whole key?

[tough portal]

[thorn plover]

Button at the top of the screen

[eternal bough]

ty

[vocal hinge]

is anyone else having the issue where dispels are that ugly default overlay even on grid2 frames? its crazy opaque and makes it difficult for me to see the hp under it. not sure which setting needs to be toggled to turn it off

[graceful ermine]

Terrible advice. Never glyph of stars. You will wear your chicken form and you will like it when you press starfire.

[tame talon]

caw caw

[west topaz]

literally need it unglyphed to be able to mentally tell when im in chicken

big fat kfc

[wet stone]

Is the original vanilla cheetah form still in the game or did they remove it? i dont see a glyph to use it either

[graceful ermine]

If you don't want to give every moonkin a big hug, then I don't respect you

[west topaz]

idk but i wanted the white cheetah form that was datamined 4 years ago

[old spoke]

WTH

[graceful ermine]

Looks pretty good

[old spoke]

this, the runebears, idk why blizz does this

[wet stone]

the original cheeta form was iconic how do you remove that from the game. now they all look the same

[tough portal]

Yeah

I like the ps1 looking cheetah much better than the new one

[haughty ibex]

did u find the fix

[graceful ermine]

I'm a fan of the elk

[tough portal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/tomb-raider-lara-croft-3-kcVkpl4ORfXB6

This but cheetah

[kind star]

gimme all dem 200 polygons! xd

[sudden rover]

what the fuck is this lmao

[west topaz]

this kinda mail spam is reportable

get them in trouble

[sudden rover]

yeah I did. not sure if it's a phising thing with a discord that hacks me or real shit

either way, reported

[west topaz]

it's possible too

[pulsar kettle]

recruiting for sales is crazy

[wise galleon]

I just deleted an indicator at the bottom of the list called private-auras-something

there was no way to turn it off or disable it

for what I know

[spark river]

is rdruid broken or is this rdruid player broken
@bright swift

someone is glazing you

in hannahs chat

[wise galleon]

don't delete the private-aura indicator

[spark river]

paid actors smh

[lyric surge]

I remember seeing this back in shadowlands

[static wadi]

Any trick to making cool down manager track lifebloom? It tracks it if cast on myself, but no other targets....

[frosty canyon]

yeah tracked buffs

second tab

@static wadi

[tough frigate]

Ok the skipping to the ritual site boss tactic seems crazy, can't help but feel a bit exploit-y though

[kind star]

I havent even touched ritual and preys yet

[mint gate]

Guild is talking about restructuring to have different healers. One of our better players is going to be my other healer. Tonight are my last ever orange/pink/yellow healing parses. Pour a little out

[wise galleon]

Is there some sort of way to edit grid2 animation color of icons? Other then adding 'draw edge' I cant find any other way to change that animation. I would want the ticking down to be way darker then it is currently.

[rustic copper]

You are no longer playing healer or you are going to have less healing to do

[spark river]

i assume its the second one

[kind star]

yeah since he said my other healer is gonna be x

[molten crater]

What do you guys think of bigwigs+littlewigs vs DBM? I miss more detailed TTS and warnings and DBM doesn’t quite do it for me

[amber apex]

can someone help me analyze my m+ log, i feel like i am kinda hitting a wall slowly and that i am doing major things wrong in terms of healing. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tyAPvWj6GYdHxFKq?fight=21&type=healing

some things i need to get better at is lifebloom and swiftment, that i know, but i also have a lot of overheal i think

ppl saying they needed to press def cds kinda all time and run before i was called boosted for ppl dying (they used no def)

[spark river]

umm yeah its a 17

people need to play properly

[gentle nova]

that seems pretty low overall hps for ws

tbh

on first pull u did 100k?

i sit at 300k

[spark river]

no one died at first pull

[mint gate]

Less healing available to be done due to the presence of a second

[amber apex]

first pull was clean af not gonna lie

[spark river]

even though he did 115k

and the deaths werent healable as far as i can se

[gentle nova]

evoker proced cheat

[amber apex]

i dispelled and someone dispelled as well

so it was not hard first pull

[hollow pond]

in the QE voracious video he said he trys to use regrowth on people who have mastery stacks already...is he just meaning people with a hot on them? and that term is just combing wg regrowth rejuv lifebloom?

[gentle nova]

ur still doing shit wrong

like

blatantly wrong

[past tusk]

very constructive, be nice

[gentle nova]

dont talk if ur not gonna say useful shit

im helping

[amber apex]

yes help me

roast me

[past tusk]

I talk when I want

[gentle nova]

your casts shdouldnt be like that on a pull that requires a lot of hps

it should be rg>all

u casted 3 rg on the highest hps pull of the dungeon

granted no one died the evoker proced cheat death, and in a higher key you would just not be able to pick up

ramp the rejuvs up, then spam rg when you have them covered

also twin sprouts is bad

[amber apex]

dont kill me but whats that

[spark river]

hero talent

take implant

choice node in wildstalker on the right

[amber apex]

okay

[spark river]

as you go higher in key you ll need to spam more regrowths

hes definitely right there

[strong ferry]

What are we crafting on resto?

[amber apex]

i feel like sometimes when ppl rotting RG is not doing anything

[gentle nova]

what is rejuv doing

[amber apex]

nothing haha

[gentle nova]

your hots are just means to buff the rgs

they do fuckall

[oak garnet]

Twin sprouts sucks yet all the top keys still have it I have no idea why

[spark river]

rg hits hard with mastery stacks

so generally you want to rejuv on small damage and regrowth on bigger damage such as that first pull

[gentle nova]

gotta be better at ironbark usage

if u are playing RH you casting 8 ironbarks in 30 mins

spam it every pull

[sacred wasp]

Implant ❤️

[strange jolt]

Can someone explain to be twin sprouts vs implant especially in m+. Im truly curious whats the difference and the thought process in choosing one over the other.

[oak garnet]

Another talent choice that confuses me. If you play VI RH is so much better than imp sm

[amber apex]

if i am behind is it rj -> rg or 2x rj

[oak garnet]

Yet a lot of top keys have imp sm (and VI obv) 🤷‍♂️

[gentle nova]

you just need to cast more shit

that evoker died and u pressed 1 rg on him over 7 seconds

2nd pull

(he proced cheat first pull maybe he wouldve been saved)

[sacred wasp]

I think imp works really well with VI especially in tank damage heavy dungeons where it’s fine to LB them

[gentle nova]

implant is more symbblooms overall if you press wg and sm on cd

[sacred wasp]

Originally my belief after 0.5 was that self lb was gonna be the play most of the time with the new everbloom cleave but the reality is that healing requirement across the party is still super uneven

[amber apex]

can you help me with full talent names

its my first season on heal druid

[spark river]

verdant infusion

regenerative heartwood

improved swiftmend

[sacred wasp]

So often times it’s either the tank or the Aug needing extra attention during group damage events

[gentle nova]

the augs dying are just bad

idk how that class even dies

[fierce isle]

Just check out Wowhead

[oak garnet]

the average aug is very poop

[sacred wasp]

im not saying they're dying but they require more healing than the DK an the devourer in your group

[gentle nova]

cheat death, 2 low cds walls, renewing blazed into wall, zephyr

[tribal shore]

wish theyd move yseras gift out of the 9 and 8 rows. No one uses it at all

[spark river]

You dont have to heal the dk and dh ever

[sacred wasp]

yeah which is why u lb the aug

[oak garnet]

I was gaslit by bad augs into thinking that aug damage was piss. Then I met a few from keys and they are doing like 3/5 the dam of a normal dps or more

[sacred wasp]

aug damage is nuts

[fierce isle]

At higher keys I’ll lb the brew on trash and the Aug on bosses

[oak garnet]

still aug only worth it if the DH DK demo are pumpers

[sacred wasp]

^^

[gentle nova]

avg aug player

[gentle fractal]

Hi guys, I was watching Dr.lok on yt and saw that he used a bar for track enemy's cast spell, but i don't understand how and what is...anyone know?

[oak garnet]

thats danders frames target list

its insane

[spark river]

its not

frames are default

[sacred wasp]

danders does not have that functionality anymore

[oak garnet]

youre wrong

[spark river]

i believe its the addon named exboss

that the chinese made initially

[oak garnet]

look up danders targeted list

[sacred wasp]

danders cant show targets of people that aren't yourself anymore

[oak garnet]

it does the exact same thing

[gentle fractal]

oh

[oak garnet]

yes it can

yall are wrong wrong

[sacred wasp]

are you being obtuse on purpose

[spark river]

confidently wrong but ok

[strange jolt]

Ty for response. So mattiu and evil

[thorn plover]

It definitely can

[sacred wasp]

i literally used danders for targeted spells until it lost that functionality

[thorn plover]

It just doesn't show it ON the frames

[sacred wasp]

guys

it is right there

[thorn plover]

Click targeted list on the left side

[gaunt star]

do you guys recommend any channel so I can learn rdruid? I mean, I just cant understand half (+) of this chat yet. I'm 267 doing some 10s and 11s yet. I dont know even how many players can use cat form without anyone dying.

[oak garnet]

calling me obtuse but now knowing the capabilities of the addon

[wise galleon]

I use targeted spells, its a list that just shows on which its going to get cast

[oak garnet]

zzzz

[sacred wasp]

it doesn't have the player name anymore

[thorn plover]

Yes it does

[oak garnet]

bro yes it does

[wise galleon]

it does have player names

[oak garnet]

lol

[prime girder]

it does

[wise galleon]

it just cant connect to the raidframe player

so you just got a list of casting bars

[sacred wasp]

ok im wrong u got me

[prime girder]

lol

[thorn plover]

Confidence only gets you so far. Sometimes you have to be correct

[sudden rover]

just got gaze myth-track feelsgoodman

[fierce isle]

Gratz

[sacred wasp]

post patch mine was broken and wasn't showing targets so i swapped

thats my fault

[oak garnet]

they added it

[prime girder]

yes, then they updated it.

[sudden rover]

ty ❤️

[sacred wasp]

ah

[peak charm]

Bond with nature vs Harmonious Constitution for mythic Crown ?

[sacred wasp]

i love the addon war...

[thorn plover]

Read changelog on your addons

Big Ws to be had

Lots of under utilized features

[amber apex]

so ill take imrpvoed swiftment instead of rh

[prime girder]

^ shows up when you /df for a reason lol

[oak garnet]

but yeah targeted list is legit broken if u M+

[amber apex]

and i dont take verdant infusion, instead i take?

prosperty

[sacred wasp]

i mean can you blame me if the addon lost the functionality momentarily and i swapped to another for it lol

[prime girder]

no loyalty?!

[sacred wasp]

i was loyal to vuhdo for a while

i am no longer loyal to vuhdo

[thorn plover]

They said in the change log - it's going away, but will be back next update

Lol

[spark river]

this includes reading

we dont do that

[wise galleon]

What did you swap to that has better functionality?

[sacred wasp]

i use danders

[spark river]

What thought process has led you to this decision

[sacred wasp]

vuhdo is ui boss

[gentle nova]

😂

[sacred wasp]

wait

wrong context

[wise galleon]

but you swapped from targeted spells to what, targeted spells?

[sacred wasp]

i meant xeph's targetedspells

[topaz nest]

vuhdo users are literally playing from a retirement home

[sacred wasp]

dander's builtin targeted list -> xephs targetedspells

[wise galleon]

ah k, yeah im using xephs aswell , didnt know it was his

hoped there was something better nvm...

[sacred wasp]

what more are you lookin for

[amber apex]

ir os it still RH

[gentle fractal]

so he used denders only for caster spell and default party frame?

[gentle nova]

that needed a comma

[wise galleon]

Well, in the past you had icons popping on raidframes and I thought I missed some workaround

[sacred wasp]

yeah i miss that too

[gusty wasp]

Hello guys i need help with debuff settings from boss ... left printsccreen shows what i see in raid combat (Shaladar raid boss) and right is my setting... Idk why i see EVERY debuff and its a little bit messy ( i mean debuff on the left corncer)... Thanks / Danders frames

[gentle nova]

think u just gotta turn them off completely if you dont wanna see them, u cant filter debuffs

[gusty wasp]

but i need dispell debuff on Imperators fight

[thorn plover]

I see ONLY imperators dispellable debuff on that fight. I can send my settings when I get home in an hour

[gentle nova]

you can turn off debuffs but u can keep dispels

[amber apex]

so is RH > improved swiftment or should i change it to imp. swift

i am confused

[spark river]

if you choose to go with rh it needs to be cast on cd so you would get anywhere close in value to improved swiftmend

Its a choice node

Whichever you like more

[amber apex]

i think i try swiftment next key

[hollow pond]

mastery stacks does that mean people with a hot on them? and that term is just combing wg regrowth rejuv lifebloom?

[gentle nova]

Rh is insane

[spark river]

I play improved swiftmend as I dont have a need for rh

[gentle nova]

It just makes someone not die if you have rejuvs ramped

[thorn plover]

RH makes someone invincible in big pull

Saves someone a lot

[gentle nova]

But with less than 1/3 ironbark casts its useless

[versed fiber]

I need a glossary for old people in here who cba remembering

[gentle nova]

It also makes the tank invinciblw

[thorn plover]

Tank gets it a lot in my keys

[spark river]

each hot is a mastery stack yes

[gusty wasp]

yes it will be nice ! ❤️ add me on discord ty

[spark river]

so regrowth will hit harder on people with more hots on them

[hollow pond]

thank you

[zenith wave]

I have 3 raid trinkets same lvl, gaze of alnseer, volatile void suffuser and locus walkers ribbon. Which 2 are the best for keys? I assume gaze 100% but which of the other 2 do you all think makes more sense for m+ in the 15-17 key range.

[spark river]

gaze and ribbon is your bis

[zenith wave]

Ok thank you!! Someone had told me the ribbon wasn’t good in m+ cuz you are constantly dropping combat. That’s why I asked.

[oak garnet]

I feel like I SM on CD on LB target and rarely use it to spotheal

[thorn plover]

Pull faster

[oak garnet]

so i feel like imp SM is just overhealing

whereas RH saves someone from death (pull 3 robots in SR and they targeted one person with 2 I dont have to swap my blooms and theyll still live)

just as an example

but I do think its a preference node

[lone echo]

hahaha

[spark river]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[inner lava]

sometimes my innervate bugs out during the raid fight , i have no macro , or mouseover or anything for it , does anyone know why? i spam it , change the keybind mid fight but it doesnt go off lol

[gusty wasp]

after disable boss debuff still see shit 🙁 😄 wtf

[gentle nova]

Disable prívate auras

[mint gate]

Does it give you blue hand? Innervate can't be cast on non-healers, so if you have one selected

[proper bane]

what is tranqs CD now a days?

[inner lava]

wdym by blue hand?

[thorn plover]

Vate is macroed to myself always

No other healer getting my innervate

[spark river]

tranq is what

[analog skiff]

😄

[thorn plover]

Wrong word

[analog skiff]

again 4h sleep time

[spark river]

The panic edit is on point

[analog skiff]

i can see

[thorn plover]

Reading the comment below the comment I was responding too

[thorn plover]

Bruh I got 5.5 hours last night

[analog skiff]

seems like sleeping more is not doing you good

[thorn plover]

Exactly

[spark river]

alright

i need a direct study

[thorn plover]

Some people be sleep maxing

[spark river]

between swiftmend cpm and hours of sleep

[thorn plover]

I be sleep minning

[analog skiff]

let me ask you this when do we rgrth spam in raid ? over 6 amb 8 amb or 10 stacks ?

[spark river]

give me whats optimal

[thorn plover]

Yes

[analog skiff]

funcationality is ok

[thorn plover]

I kinda just maintain 8 the whole fight naturally with sotf rejuv and rejuving while moving

Unless going into tranq

[spark river]

i cast regrowth because nachwachsen sounds cooler than verjungung

[lament river]

Dont you have 12 abudance stacks for convoke to ?

[worldly pollen]

guyz which trinkets i use for M raid (heart of wind M) (Gaze M

or (heart of wind M) and ribbon hc ?

[grand herald]

Throw it in qelive

[livid hearth]

if im 500 away from myth cap should i just craft more items even tho myth crest minmaxing should focus on upgrading gear?

[grand herald]

I mean, spend the myth crests you can upgrading stuff, and have your embellishments crafted

You should have a deluge of myth items to upgrade because of voidcores

[livid hearth]

that was my plan. Im mage and my friend is resto but people in mage discord saying craft with all radiances as we are so far away from myth crest cap like 500 dont think about minmaxing myth crest usage

[mint gate]

If you cast a spell without a valid target, you get the blue hand (to manually select a target post-cast). I think you can still trigger it on demand with Rebirth, since heals will Auto self target

[spark river]

just macro it to yourself

problem solved

[deft oar]

if you're in a diff realm to ur lb target (lura for example) does consuming sotf still do everblooms on the guy outside of ur realm?

[mint gate]

This tbh. I mouseover

[spark river]

I think everyone doing lura is currently in raid. Ask in like an hour.

[sly wind]

just lb urself

[mint gate]

Different realms? Is that a Myth mech?

[deft oar]

yes

[mint gate]

Tyty

Interesting question though. If yes, I can be stealing MORE heals on Chim

[slender gust]

I was just in a key, and I noticed if I spell queued a SM during the cast, it gave me SotF/PotA on said Regrowth. Is it supposed to work like that or is that a bug?

[proven phoenix]

thats just how it works

[spark river]

it is a known bug/feature

[slender gust]

Is that a thing that is important to keep in mind or play around in any way to not "waste" the proc or is it whatever?

[mint gate]

If you spell queue LB during Wrath with Fluid Form, you'll stay in Moonkin too for the refresh

YMMV, obviously

[grand herald]

Yeah its important to keep in mind

Dont want to use your sotf on a rg when you want a rj

[spark river]

Its quite important in raid where you want the most of your sotfs to go on rejuv

[jovial sand]

On Crawth i Algethar, do I remember wrong or did the screech do more damage for every screech? Or maybe that is not a boss mechanic this time?

[grand herald]

It was reworked for this season

[jovial sand]

So it's the same amount of damage every time?

[proven phoenix]

yeah

but the hardest part of the boss is the last 20ish %

fire aoe + screech

[slender gust]

This. I've had that boss go from perfectly fine, to "oops we're dead" in that last few % as peoples' cooldowns run out

[jovial sand]

Yea, I tried on a 16 and after 4 min on that boss I just could not keep people topped and we all died within 1.5s

after the screech

[slender gust]

In higher keys, is Crawth a better 2nd bloodlust?

[thorn whale]

You bloodlust when fire hits

on Crawth

[pulsar kettle]

on lower keys u won't have lust

[flint jetty]

does danderframes have somewhere that u can edit a main tank assist tank frames?

[slender gust]

If you go Crawth 2nd, will Lust be up in time? IDK what the timer is like in higher keys b/c I've only done lower AAs

[thorn whale]

yeah it fits

[slender gust]

I haven't started pushing in earnest yet b/c I've been lazy/haven't had time. Only 2700 right now

I'm not usually a big gamer, but the announcement of rewards for 3400 has me maybe game to push myself to try going bigger than usual

[thorn whale]

yeah it's a nice change

[queen pivot]

is there such a thing as a ramp reminder addon for raid, like something that tells me went to start ramping

[gritty nova]

big. huge even

[gentle nova]

Great u will now overheal yourself for 60% instead of 58

[kind star]

alright 3 hours before raid to get a damn helm drop prayge

[marble badger]

Hey guys, can someone check their Rejuvenation, Regrowth and Wild Growth tooltip pls...for some weird reason i think mine arr kinda low 🤔😑

[haughty ibex]

i dont think tooltips ingame are really accurate? not sure

[proven phoenix]

we are just not going to do this man

stop posting tooltips

your game isnt bugged to do less healing

[mint gate]

They're accurate but you'll never see those numbers. Too many factors

[kind star]

tooltips have just always been scuffed in wow since the beginning

[haughty ibex]

mine legit is

[proven phoenix]

quiet

no

[rustic copper]

Mine is bugged to do more healing

[mint gate]

You know what me too. How do we do the Ret Pally thing

[rustic copper]

[hearty coral]

mine is bugged to do just the right amount of healing

[kind star]

back to watching some of yall raid pov to try and git guuder

[thorn plover]

Wow tooltips 😬

[kind star]

is that grid most of you are using thats like fully black and goes white/gray as ppl go down, hard to explain ig x)

[gaunt star]

anyone pls?

[livid hearth]

hey im new to qelive. I wanted to compare gear upgrade to max myth 6/6 to crafted myth piece

https://questionablyepic.com/live/report/ztehuhhpslwx

But it seems like it doesnt say how much % upgrade it is from current equipped?

it only says how much other options are worse?

[kind star]

sorry to tag you like this, currently watching some of ur PoV, is that grid2 for your frames?

[haughty ibex]

can be anything p sure, i use grid and i have my frames black cuz i like them like that but danders can do the same forsure

[proven phoenix]

yeah

[livid hearth]

For example i wanted to compare to these % upgrades from crafted to myth 6/6 upgrade of what i have

https://questionablyepic.com/live/upgradereport/hzwjdutmcase

[kind star]

I gotta take the time to configure DF to my liking maybe but grid2 also looking great.

[whole horizon]

i don't see any crafted myth pieces in this report, otherwise they would show at the bottom under Close Alternatives

[proven phoenix]

I highly recommend just taking someones frames as a baseline and then adjusting them to your liking

[mint gate]

If cat form feels daunting just don't do it. The healing is easy, until you have a good feel for the dungeon damage profile it's fine to just heal while you learn

[kind star]

I might just go with what I have for tonight and try some stuff in LFR and get what I want.

Im more used to Cell usually.

[livid hearth]

can i combine crafted piece i dont have in top gear?

im just comparing this gear upgrade sim

https://questionablyepic.com/live/upgradereport/hzwjdutmcase

[kind star]

thanks for the answer phased btw.

[livid hearth]

but gear upgrade sim shows how much upgrade from what i have but top gear is showing how much hps the top result shows, but does not show how much upgrade from what i have

[mint gate]

I heal with default raid frames, it's not THAT deep anyway

[kind star]

if only we could change size of buff on default MAYBE I could consider but hell nah

[gentle nova]

I used to until blizzard fucked up debuffs

[whole horizon]

if you want to compare 2 specific pieces, yes, you should add them in top gear. you can manually add crafted pieces by typing the name of the item here.

[gentle nova]

And i see 7 priv auras in my raid frames overlaping my hots

[kind star]

I personally just like to have like rejuvs on the right side/lb top right or something along those lines.

just seeing all the hots next to each other with DF sometimes throw me off in keys and ill re-cast a fresh hot.

[livid hearth]

ok ty let me try it

[mint gate]

There's a slider 😛

[slender gust]

If you're DPS convoking, is it still catvoke on a prio mob even in AoE?

[kind star]

not all of them tho like my hots only

[mint gate]

Why's everybody on Grid anyway, is Vuhdo dead?

[kind star]

im somewhat ADHD and can lose focus ig with too many icons D:

[slender gust]

Vuhdo is still alive, but I don't use it b/c I don't wanna deal with a user interface that looks like it's from 1990

[thorn whale]

Have you tried with just numbers?

[thorn plover]

or just colored boxes

i have same issue with icons

[formal fjord]

I use just coloured boxes

with some icons

[kind star]

I havent taken the time to setup my things tbh just trying to gearup for my raid with my guild tonight, been 90 for a week.

[mint gate]

I would, personally. Owlvoke for Starfall chance also feels good

[thorn whale]

I just have different colored numbers - works great for me

[kind star]

I tried to mess around with hots positions on DF and never figured where.

[spark river]

its trash

[thorn whale]

I feel like icons/boxes blocks the healthbar too much

[formal fjord]

under buffs

[thorn plover]

no its under aura designer

[formal fjord]

oh, thanks!

[kind star]

oh ofc!

I was like looking in indicators or buff and just gave up

[thorn plover]

how i have mine set up

[kind star]

hmmm kinda like the idea of numbers

never tought of it, plus colors really help. Feels like id make some "decisions" faster.

[thorn plover]

if you go numbers you gotta go black nameplates pretty much

[thorn whale]

Yup

[thorn plover]

you can do just numbers in danders aura designer

its pretty nice

[glossy rose]

oh wow just noticed on logs the raid r druids have been swappin to wildstalker w convoke i been in kotg still when did that swap

12.0.5?

[thorn plover]

yes

[spark river]

I guess people never read patch notes

[thorn plover]

read

ha

[kind star]

all right I might be back in here with more question about that tomorrow, id rather not change stuff before raid atm.

[rustic copper]

I used to have frames under my character

[kind star]

figured how to add buffs but not how to change to numbers

[rustic copper]

Holy fuck what a good idea to swap it to left

[cerulean stratus]

how many crystals do you have to carry on lura

5 or 6?

[thorn whale]

67

[rustic copper]

I used to always die from things like one armed bandit lines from underneath my frames

[spark river]

alright posting my default ui would be very uncool

[rustic copper]

I’d be 100 deaths on Lura

[rustic copper]

6

[kind star]

thanks yall! ill bother yall some more for that tomorrow 😛

[golden pulsar]

Hello grovies.

[kind star]

still debating if I move my frame in the middle kinda like most of us or stick to left side

[whole horizon]

i prefer the term groveler

[golden pulsar]

Question about logs and healing in m+. How do you deal with Overhealing when we kinda need to pre-hot people ?

[spark river]

Stop looking at overhealing

[golden pulsar]

Just a question about it as im looking at my first healing logs, lol

[thorn whale]

Overhealing as a metric is useless in m+

For log reviewing

The better way to look at it is “am I spending too much time healing when I don’t need to”

You throwing hots on full health people is not automatically bad

[spark river]

its bad if there is no damage coming

[rustic copper]

For m+ you should look at who died and why when starting out and cast/healing distribution should roughly match what skilled players are doing

[fierce isle]

I really like my frames to be over the chat window or slightly to the right. It works nicely

[golden pulsar]

that makes sense

[rustic copper]

You need a large amount of room around your character that’s not blocked by ui

Or you get glaived

[fierce isle]

Yeah I agree

[golden pulsar]

we had 12 deaths, and 4 of them i guess i could have done some thing about.

[kind star]

My ui is kinda a mess atm ngl

[fierce isle]

I have my CDM vertical along the right side of my frames and the whole center of my screen is clutter free

[candid parcel]

Ppl staying wildstalker in m+? Did the dreamgroove starfire dream die? Feels like in pugs with smaller pulls with bleeds/dots its very hard.

[rustic copper]

Start logging or better recording to be more accurate with what you could’ve done

[fierce isle]

Bug fix blooming infusion

[livid hearth]

can i turn crafted gear into tier set like it used to in dragonflight?

[thorn whale]

You should try recording your gameplay @golden pulsar

[golden pulsar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VWQ7TBLqCDy8Ytd4?fight=last&type=deaths

[fierce isle]

It never was a dream. It was a nightmare

[golden pulsar]

i did 🙂

[thorn whale]

You’ll find that you could’ve saved people much more often than you think

[golden pulsar]

Maybe ill have to

[candid parcel]

So its wildstalker for life now?

[thorn whale]

Video is way better than logs for m+

[golden pulsar]

Is the video thing on archon good?

[thorn whale]

warcraftrecorder is. Idk about archon

[hollow pond]

i tried to use method raid tools for the notes, but the one on wago isnt updated for midnight. Is that from curse?

[thorn plover]

That's nsrt

[golden pulsar]

Is there any reason to look at parses for healing?

[thorn plover]

But MRT is updated on curse too

[thorn plover]

I moved them left in m+ just last week and like it. I'm gonna try it in raid next week

[rustic copper]

I can’t check rn but just pull up your cast events in 1 tab and filter for the window before someone died and the death log in another tab to compare

[mint gate]

To feel good. To shit talk your other healers (lovingly)

[kind star]

I like left side for dungeons but feels weird for raid

[mint gate]

I do center bottom

[thorn plover]

I just use CTC to move my camera. I can see plenty under my character

[kind star]

Ctc?

[thorn plover]

Camera tilt controls

Addon

Let's you change the angle of your camera

[mint gate]

Like the base feature?

[thorn plover]

Move your character up of center etc

[kind star]

Never knew that was a thing might need to check it out, I know there's command to change ur camera.

[golden pulsar]

Last question. I kinda just use paltinator and standar frames with buff/debuff focus. Is there healer addons that will help me improve? or give me better oversight, as when my hots expire for example.

[mint gate]

OH LIKE OFF-CENTER

Dude that's kind crazy

[thorn plover]

It's huge if you play with bottom frames

[eager arch]

What raid frames you use is like your favorite soda, just try them all until one makes you go OK this is the one

[golden pulsar]

Kinda feel the wow raid frames are fine

Just scared im missing out on some vital information

[kind star]

im proud of myself so far I always remembered to swap off my delve spec in keys rofl

[thorn plover]

Depends on your definition of fine

[spark river]

They are playable

[golden pulsar]

I mean, they show my heals, the debuffs, defensives,

[formal fjord]

I used the wow frames up until Midnight, with big K buffs and debuffs so i could actually see my heals. Then i installed Danders - then my world changed and my perspective lifted and i was a new healer

[spark river]

Im used to them which is questionable but it works

[golden pulsar]

Ill have to just check it out at some point ig

[thorn plover]

I used elvui from wotlk til midnight prepatch lol

[mint gate]

Being used to a set of frames is pretty important. It's why I'm on default. Admittedly because of it I miss pandemic windows occasionally

[gleaming spoke]

I can probably test this when I get home but I'm sure one of you have already done it: If I'm running Rampant Growth and cast a Regrowth on my LB target, does it get double or do I lose the Rampant Growth proc?

[gusty meteor]

Are u guys going wildstalker with moonfire + sunfire? do u rake mobs and then moonfire + sunfire or how do u do dmg?

[golden pulsar]

Damage?

[gleaming spoke]

ST: Starsurge>Moonfire > Wrath.
AoE: Starfire

[golden pulsar]

Not a word i know

[gleaming spoke]

Sunfire only happens when you're moving and have nothing else you can push.

[gusty meteor]

Wildstalker?

[gleaming spoke]

Wildstalker/Keeper of the Grove doesn't change the Owlweave playstyle.

[tough frigate]

People without enchants sadden me, I know it's expensive but chest enchant alone feels like it's worth a couple of ilvls

[eager arch]

50 int is more than a couple id think

[tough frigate]

Yeah, myth 1-6 on chest is 18int 8 haste 6 mastery for me, so must be at least 15ish ilvls on an individual item

[abstract tulip]

saw they patched the hearty wellfood buff bug. did they do any other "hotfixes" i shold know about?

[dusk cipher]

Quick question, Should i save my bonus roll for Mythic Vael for the trinket, or should i roll heroic Crown for trinket?

[gleaming spoke]

Depends on how fast you think youre gonna progress in Mythic. Also looking at QELive trinkets to see how much each of them at the various levels is worth in HPS.

[kind star]

alright that SM sound alert is helping so much 😄

[hard loom]

So my guilds moving into mythic this week, and I wanna make sure I have healing cool downs built on wow utils, we have a druid, shaman, mistweaver and pally. I dont want to go to lorgs to copy anything as each guild is different, but is there a way to see like those 4 healers in tandem and what their cool down spacing looks like to get an "idea" i know were gonna be learning for awhile so take it with a pinch of salt, but didnt know if you could see more than just the one players cd choices at a time. If that all makes sense lol

[dusk cipher]

it's reclear so pretty confident it's dead XD Vael trink is 0.42% upgrade and Heroic Crown is 0.21% upgrade

[whole horizon]

on wcl you can filter logs by group comp and whatever else you want

[dusk cipher]

also have a chance at getting the neck with the bonus roll which is a 0.3% upgrade

[hard loom]

Ah right okay, got ya cheers

[whole horizon]

i just noticed you can do the same thing on lorrgs, there's a "Top Reports by Comp" button on the front page

[fallen compass]

It’s “ under construction”

When you click on

[whole horizon]

it works though

put numbers in the boxes

[fallen compass]

It didn’t for me, but to each their own if it works for you.

[hollow pond]

Since swiftmend doesnt consume a hot in this build for raid, what is the target hot we should try to use swiftmend on for extending, just any or WG if possible?

I only ask because of the QE voracious he mentioned using on WG as possible, wasnt sure if that was the same now after patch

[idle lake]

when you lowkey going to time the dungeon and your tank pulls 4 arcane smasher guys at onnce and u insta wipe to a multicast

[grizzled seal]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes/

Read this

[hollow pond]

my apologies i missed that

[hard loom]

wheres the filter by group comp button?

[oblique pasture]

Question on Swiftmend. I usually LB the tank in mythic plus, and usually use SM on the tank, every time it comes off
cooldown regardless of how much time is left on LB. Is this the right play? Or should I wait until it is in pandemic to use SM?

[thorn plover]

Pandemic doesn't matter if you're extending with sm

[whole horizon]

magnifying glass icon, on the right side of the filter bar

the advanced filters let you find logs based on raid size, item level, fight length, etc

[oblique pasture]

Got it, ty!

[oak garnet]

if i have like 1-2s until pandemic and SM is just coming off CD usually ill wait it then refresh LB then SM extend and pota rejuv

any more and im sending

[sly pivot]

Does anyone have a vod of someone doing a key with the build that takes catweaving but does Star fall in bigger packs?

[oak garnet]

unsure if this is the play or not but it makes sense to me to get the free bloom

[sly pivot]

I do that too not sure if it’s correct - feels right

[oak garnet]

but if I have like >7s on LB i dont hold SM

strictly for M+ idk about raid

[thorn plover]

Assuming you mean Starfire not starfall

[oak garnet]

also been using 289 emberwing in 5 mans and I kind of like it

added cd is kinda nice

[sly pivot]

Whoops yes

[bitter ocean]

I don't know if its been talked to death already or not but would love to hear about other Rdruids thoughts on the Blooming Infusion change. I made a forum post about my thoughts and argument for reverting it. https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/a-blooming-infusion-effort-post/2300450

[idle lake]

vi feels pretty nice in m+

makes sm feel like more of a cd

[thorn plover]

It's a meme build that relied on 2 bugs to be viable and should be treated as such. I say nuke it

It left a sour taste in pugs mouths but the shear number of uninformed resto druids playing it thinking it was good

Because they saw a streamer pushing keys with it

[idle lake]

what was the bug ?

[thorn plover]

Starfire is cleaving for more than intended
NB was giving free blooming infusion procs

[bitter ocean]

Blooming would register off of Rampant Growth and Nature's bounty yeah

[idle lake]

ahh

whats nb again

[thorn plover]

natures bounty

regrowth cleave talent

[bitter ocean]

Nature's Bounty I agree fully agree is a bug, Rampant Growth worked throughout all of TWW so I find it harder to believe it went a full expansion as an unintended bug. Current version I agree was over done but yeah I can see the perspective

[idle lake]

u were getting 4x procs on the blooms?

3 from sm and 1 extra from rampant growth

or

[thorn plover]

natures swiftness has affected convoke for a long time, and they finally "fixed it"
same with stacking refo out of combat

[thorn plover]

2 from rampant growth and 1 more for every person that already had regrowth

[idle lake]

ahh

thats crazy

[thorn plover]

while i sympathize that some people enjoyed this playstyle, you dont get a bunch of screenshots like this from random pugs from a build that is "good"

[sly pivot]

LMAO

[pulsar kettle]

this is crazy

it was a bug

bugs last and have lasted for months, even years, because theyre so low-impact theres no point in putting any time into fixing it

[graceful ermine]

I don't think you're going to get much support here. Most here are not a fan of the caster style and would rather it stay weak

[bitter ocean]

As I said, I wanted to hear others thoughts so I appreciate it no matter what. It being a bug or not is secondary to me and I cared more about it being a fun other way to play the class. Thanks for the info though man 😁

[graceful ermine]

Understood. Yeah I think the majority of us prefer cat because 1: There are less melee healers already, 2: (and obviously this is subjective to a significant degree) but having the pressure of playing in melee feels more dynamic 3: Managing the energy resource is more fun to optimize than just pressing starfire over and over

For me, at least, it would go a long way if the caster style just had a little bit more going on that involved decisions

[oak garnet]

Glad it's dead

/thread

[graceful ermine]

I mean it's still our best source of dps until they fix the starfire splash bug, right?

[bitter ocean]

Yeah exactly which I tried to say in the post that I felt Nature Bounty was way overblown and made it brain dead

[idle lake]

crying

[graceful ermine]

and even potentially still after that

Those baseline numbers buffs were very big

and cat was already unimpressive this expansion

[idle lake]

2 void bombs didnt get knocked out

[glossy onyx]

You guys aren't playing with tanks that make you do this every other pull???

[idle lake]

not normally