resto

[thorn whale]

Nah

[tough portal]

Has anyone said "keep it on the evoker permanently" tho?

[grizzled seal]

Do evokers not play cheat death in m+?

[graceful ermine]

Can confirm, whenever I play either as aug or with aug and I look at the health bars during aoe, they are always the one that feels most in danger. Is this bad play or am I misinterpreting what I'm seeing somehow?

[glass crane]

that wasn't what I was originally responding to

I'm not leaving lb on myself perma

[urban kestrel]

they still play their cheat but it heals for a lot less than it used to (even with a talent that improves the heal)

rip aug dying and topping the group

[grizzled seal]

You are also playing keeper and use 2 talents on DPS

[glass crane]

I put it on tank when he needs it, I move it to someone with a debuff if they urgently need it, if there is general symmetrical aoe dmg happening I keep on myself

[urban kestrel]

arguably 3 talents on dps when you add in MS

[tough portal]

Not every key tbf

[grizzled seal]

I feel the calculation is different when you can swiftmend for more healing than lifebloom

[glass crane]

this seems to be a divisive choice, I'm not sure why

[tough portal]

He played like a regular person in Seat

[grizzled seal]

Not really divisive, just different healing pattern

[urban kestrel]

idk I've liked the talent so far, I really enjoy just spamming starfire then throwing everbloom when I need it

[grizzled seal]

I don't think you would disagree that your healing profile looks different as WS

If I can swiftmend for symb bloom I might not need to move lifebloom over

[graceful ermine]

How often are you SMing the non-lb player?

[dry ice]

The word "spam" is doing a lot of lifting on a 2 sec cast 🤭

[thorn plover]

If you want to see some funny stuff, go look at rdruid logs in 16s to 18s, and look at cancelled casts

[grizzled seal]

All the time if you play prosperity

[dry ice]

Im transitioning from a disc with 35% haste. It feels like hard casting pyro

[grizzled seal]

I assume DoC doesn't play that though

[grizzled seal]

35% haste is champ track gear numbers for druid

[graceful ermine]

Even with prosp, isn't the guaranteed bloom big value on your lb target for EB?

[dry ice]

Oh, lol

[grizzled seal]

I played 60% on dimensius for the record

[spark river]

I had 55 was fun

[tough portal]

I feel like your logs with lizzy are an anomaly compared to everyone else's experience healing evokers @glass crane

[grim barn]

is eyes of the eagle enchant on rings the new tech? i see some ppl running it on logs

[proven phoenix]

isnt that a crit amp

and its also reduced for healers

[gentle nova]

Whats that

[proven phoenix]

its like lower value

[grim barn]

2% increased effectiveness on crits, per ring

[proven phoenix]

increases crit effectiveness

[misty terrace]

whats best mana food to use on high keys?

[rustic copper]

I have 2 pieces of high mastery jewelry and I still have 40% haste

[thorn plover]

Mage food

Sanguithorn tea shows 8%/sec but it ramps 1% per sec.
Mage food is 5% per sec no ramp

[grizzled seal]

1% for healing

It's 2% for dmg

[grim barn]

possibly worth running with abundance then?

[thorn plover]

Not at the cost of 60 haste

[grizzled seal]

I dont think it is at 1%

consdiering we play 5% crit on everything else

[main timber]

It didn't look good when I checked

Behind by quite a bit

It only does anything on Regrowth, and also the haste enchant is very good value

[urban kestrel]

mage food has ramped for me when I watch my mana and check the tooltip, the only thing I've had instantly go to X % is feasts

but dropping a feast for instant 7% mana per sec sounds really pricey

[wary belfry]

Just say ur poor

Brokie

[urban kestrel]

^^^

[rustic copper]

How expensive are feasts

[boreal karma]

can tell that

[urban kestrel]

shouldve played tww to get in on mount sales

[boreal karma]

you dont have much to do

[rustic copper]

Should I do this in raid

[boreal karma]

xd

[urban kestrel]

perrsonal feasting to pre-ramp harder

[rustic copper]

Yes

Preramp is so important on l’ura

[urban kestrel]

dont forget to use dragonflight feign death pots on pre-pull to pre-hot/speed boost yourself

[rustic copper]

I had a pull where my first Lifebloom cast was after 1:30

[grizzled seal]

I was gonna argue with that but it's true

LOL

wtf didnt even notice

[rustic copper]

Full try hard 1 preramp

Vs first cast on pull

Check your mana at 2 mins

It’s actually crazy

[urban kestrel]

also if you're for some reason still playing reforestation you can growl the critters in l'ura's room to stack it up still

[grizzled seal]

I give away my first innervate

[urban kestrel]

just to spite the devs for nerfing it when they saw limit

[rustic copper]

Unlucky

[tough portal]

LB on others while casting more Regrowths on yourself is a pretty big Nature's Bounty healing amp via 35% Regrowth talent (which is strictly better than 4% on all healing in M+.)

[urban kestrel]

watching echo try to do an alleria carry with a scuffed split is very entertaining

[rigid mirage]

Is there a way to see apm in logs

[urban kestrel]

there's casts, and I guess you could use wowA to find out time spent moving, but not really, also tons of casts are [poorly implemented ]like every germ rejuv cast counts as 2 rn

[tough portal]

Most of the LB-on-others angle comes from specific spells self healing benefits, so ofc if you arent using those it makes less sense to put it on others. But 35% Regrowth is massive.

[urban kestrel]

it probably balances out, we also have a ton of self-healing amps between forestwalk, verdant heart, etc. in general and then stacking mastery value and heals that prefer self that might trigger extra photo procs or just more mastery value on self to cleave with EB

[sudden rover]

i got kicked from a 16 because I'm playing dream of cenarius damn

[urban kestrel]

actually nuts that we can just rip a GS on ourself at basically any time

are people like hard trolling with this new build? I dont see how you fuck it up?

[sudden rover]

it's really good i dps a shit ton but i heal less for 15 seconds, so people don't like that

and that's not even really true cause the healing from doc is insane but ppl don't want

[urban kestrel]

needs to do enough that starfire removes an entropic leech in 1 cast like sck or not worth

yeah though idk I've liked it in the few 17s I ran with it messing around. but I didnt play into it too hard and was only doing like 40k dps

[thorn plover]

Yes click the casts tab

[thorn plover]

Good

[rigid mirage]

What does cpm mean

[thorn plover]

Cast per minute

[rigid mirage]

Ah ok ty

[lament river]

we keep lifebloom on ourself in m+ to?

[whole horizon]

its way more situational in m+

blooming frenzy can do good group healing when LB is on yourself bc of healing amps, but its absolutely vital on higher keys that you know when to move it to a DPS, and when your tank needs it most

[urban kestrel]

man, watching echo chain wipe here is making me really scared of going back to that boss with nerfed MM

[lament river]

What i whas thinkng ye

[thorn plover]

Echo is washed

[whole horizon]

if your dps doesnt have a defensive it can save their life, and > +19 keys tank starts getting trucked on certain pulls

[glass crane]

bear in mind I'm playing kotg in at least 7/8 keys

[urban kestrel]

I miss defensive spam already, bring me back to df mage, healing modern mage is ass

[tough portal]

I'm not sure there is much to discuss for healing gameplay when you're deliberately griefing your healing cuz you judge that the key is too easy to heal then mate

[rustic copper]

[tough portal]

Thats why I'm looking at Seat

[rustic copper]

Delete all defensives

[eager sphinx]

hey all, could you assist with some noobie question, but how to decide who to buff with Source of Magic? we have rdru, rshamy, hpaly and dc priest. As long as i see it doesn't give mana, around 17k tops during entire fight. Wouldn't it better to skip mana importance and buff dc because he is heal input?

[glass crane]

I'm sure the rwf healers just use a randomizer on their talents when they 3 heal prog bosses

[thorn whale]

Bro what?

[sudden rover]

what do you mean, how dare you

[glass crane]

face is contending that if you deliberately don't do the most healing possible you must not give a shit about your setup

and if you're 3 healing a boss then you're not doing the maximum healing possible

so the rest must be irrelevant

[versed fiber]

"I'm not sure there is much to discuss" is not what your saying.

but ok

[rustic copper]

Rdruid should be highest heal, the mana does matter too so you should give it to a class that can convert mana into healing which includes us

[tough portal]

I'm contending that most people dont play with yoda or 9h a day and would do better by not entertaining the DOC build

[sudden rover]

doc build is a ton of fun ngl

[tough portal]

So discussing DOC KOTG doesnt interest me in particular

[sudden rover]

i cant go back to cat now

[glass crane]

and yet here we are discussing it

[sudden rover]

ive been converted to the starfire crew

[versed fiber]

🤪

[tough portal]

Am I?

Idk

[urban kestrel]

keeper starfire actually does the most healing because boomkin form buffs my mastery

[ornate pollen]

but nobody running keeper starfires in moonkin?

[whole horizon]

@eager sphinx giving it to disc priest doesn't double dip iirc, but they're also not the highest output option and they don't use the extra mana as well compared to hpriest, hpala, or us.

[urban kestrel]

I have been but almost entirely just because I feel like you have to shift some bullcrap at least 10 times a dungeon anyways

[past tusk]

is this one better than the pvp questline neck?

[whole horizon]

i usually tell our evoker to give source to hpriest

[rustic copper]

No

[whole horizon]

but if they were disc i would take it

hpala doesnt benefit as much to their sustain healing to have a small trickle of mana regen, they do much better with innervate

[eager sphinx]

@whole horizon @rustic copper thank you both

[whole horizon]

their hps only really changes drastically if they can bomb holy lights for any period of time

[urban kestrel]

giving source to the spec that does both no healing and no dam is kinda weird

[eager sphinx]

i am just curious because i think that 3% buff to dealing damange an healing is much stronger than small amount return

[tough frigate]

What's the fastest 11 delve to spam, or cheesiest way to spam t11 delves for hero crests? resto / dps valeera seems really quick, someone here said resto / tank valeera, but I seem to struggle to get her to pull stuff 😄

[whole horizon]

there aren't any healers doing significant enough damage to consider that when choosing a Source target

3% of nothing is still nothing

[mossy light]

How good is the dream of cenarius build? I been hearing about it after the patch

[solid hemlock]

I bear plus her as dps. Shadowguard and the one in town are fast

[gentle nova]

Its good if you play with yoda, goopd and drjay

[tough frigate]

Just pull everything as bear in one go?

[gentle nova]

The 5th pug can be a random r1 chinese keyer from illidan

[whole horizon]

you have to play around the CotED talent cd and it's a flat nerf to your hps ceiling, but if you can stomach that then the build works.

i wouldn't call it good because playing caster is for people who are inexperienced and uncomfortable in melee.

casting starfire for dps is and will always be clunky

[spring osprey]

such weird takes

[whole horizon]

what's weird about them

[spark river]

Please share yours

[spring osprey]

cause nobody else can ever use it lmao.

[gentle nova]

Using it makes it good?

[whole horizon]

it's not really a better build than what we had before they buffed our dps spells

it's just different and slightly worse at some things, slightly better at doing dps

[spark river]

Some things being the most important aspect of the healer

[whole horizon]

you'll always find controversy when healers are building for dps

[spring osprey]

most keys rdruid is overhealing everyone a ton anyways. Not every player does 20s so saying its only good if youre in the top 1% is just a weird take. Let people test it out and see for themselves.

[sudden rover]

bro wtf is this take "playing caster is for bad melees" lmao

we just play what's best

[tall ridge]

I've found dotg good for just weekly keys and pushing damage in lower keys but when pushing high keys if you cant maximize CotED usage you're better off doing the other build.

[whole horizon]

it's not the best though

[tough portal]

Wdym 'let' bro nobody's got people at gunpoint over a build yeah?

[sudden rover]

oh yes it is

[whole horizon]

i mean, case in point

there are some really shit takes about this new build

[tough portal]

If you ask me what I think about something do you expect me to tell you what I think or type in 7 different disclaimers about how you have free will?

[rustic copper]

I would kick an Rdruid from my key who had a bad build

[gentle nova]

This dudes arguments is keys are too easy so you can meme if you want

Unreal

[tough portal]

People that dont have the awareness of incoming damage and are just perma overhealing a ton are exactly the ones that will brick keys by losing healing talents for damage and trying to heal through Starfire

[spring osprey]

yeah cause this is a shit take. If youre bricking keys cause you didnt heal its not cause youre using the DoC build

[urban kestrel]

I encourage everyone in a key I enter to have the worst build possible and just play good

[tough portal]

Good comms

If you're bricking keys cuz tank died it's not cuz you have trinkets equipped so unequip your trinkets

[gentle nova]

😂

[spring osprey]

see, strawman arguements over your bad opinions 😂

[tough portal]

https://tenor.com/view/doesn't-get-it-gif-11969878697861392921

[timid hound]

Hello i’m new here on community

[hasty flume]

You joined at a great time MYTH!

[gentle nova]

Shut up

[whole horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-lizardmeme-lizard-button-hoppers-lizard-lizard-lizard-gif-766024946782985691

[tall ridge]

Playing DoC doesnt reduce your hps ceiling that much, if your party is dying because youre pressing damage gcds well thats a player issue.

[silk ice]

Gotta admit, that was a little Face-tious

[tough portal]

You're the one that said it's weird to tell people asking for advice on healing to take healing talents instead of damage ones, and your best argument in favor of it is that... they could just play better to make up for doing less healing

[spark river]

10% is not that much tbh

[gentle nova]

Yeah only about 15%

[wary belfry]

I wonder if playing a build that does more healing would reduce the odds of you bricking keys due to lack of healing

[thorn plover]

Anyone have a way I can track coted

[gentle nova]

Not that much

[wary belfry]

any knowers?

[tough frigate]

Ok this is pretty insane, wish I'd tried before

[spring osprey]

nah you literally are saying if your not playing with top key runners its not worth trying.

[tough portal]

And do you think it's useful or helpful to tell people 'oh yeah mate just dont play bad, play good' or?

[tulip nexus]

DoC would be way better if it was a smartheal

[sudden rover]

how do i know when call of the elder druid is off cooldown guys pls

[spring osprey]

majority of players are not playing at the level where HPS ceiling actually matters

[wary belfry]

lol

[urban kestrel]

wait echo is doing beloren with the same carry in? this is gonna go so hard

[tulip nexus]

there is a debuff that shows the CD, when you dont have it it's off cd

[wary belfry]

"just play better"

[thorn plover]

@sudden rover if you find out plz let me no thx

[tough portal]

I dont think dropping 15% healing thru talent swaps for 20k DPS is increasing most people's odds when they're trying to push through keys they havent been able to heal yet, is that controversial?

[spark river]

i listened to the advice of git gud and now im gud

[tall ridge]

Playing druid as if it was disc is bad. Not sure how to explain that greeding damage is bad.

[sudden rover]

I will, no answer so far

[wary belfry]

hmmge

[thorn plover]

Thx

[wary belfry]

someone literally answered tho

[spark river]

guys torty is doing 500k hps in intermission again

[urban kestrel]

lust and reck pot will do that

[sudden rover]

guys look at jdotb blasting starfires in 20s right now

and come back and say doc is not fun

i dare you

[gentle nova]

Guys im progring normal lura and i cant do 500k hps like this other druid in intermission

[thorn plover]

The pugs are smart

[silk ice]

That warrior insists that healers moose heal

[spark river]

you mean the 20s with his full team

[tulip nexus]

i dont think people are arguing it isn't fun

[spark river]

im sure thats fun

[tough portal]

Abhorrent

It is an abomination

[sudden rover]

bro

[gentle nova]

His pug team

[whole horizon]

it was fun watching him brick that WS sometime last week because his aug kept falling over

[gentle nova]

The people that pug 21s

[urban kestrel]

seriously what kind of terrorism have people been doing with this build, you just brain-off through trash with swiftmend and wg on cd then fill with starfire....

[thorn plover]

R1 puggers

[tough portal]

Healers playing piss content with 0 healing pressure man, crazy

[urban kestrel]

like what on earth are people doing? just not keeping up lb and wg?

[tough portal]

This is why pvp is strictly superior healing content

[gentle nova]

Healers dont like healing

[urban kestrel]

pvp owns, get me rejuv feeling as strong as it does in pvp into pve

[wheat otter]

hello guys quick question because i am mixzed i've got this one hand from vault, is it worth to craft off hand to it? ty for help 🙂

[gentle nova]

They like to do piss dps of a real dps because they cant play dps

[sudden rover]

i play healer but deep down I'm a dps at heart

[urban kestrel]

it costs more crests to use mainhand+offhand, but if myth track items are a limiting factor for you, it's worth considering

[tall ridge]

I've seen some crazy fotm rdruid out there. From people barely doing 50k hps with doc to rdruids that do sub 1k dps and 80k hps. There's certainly a spectrum.

[silk ice]

I’d rather have the guy doing 80k hps because that’s their job description

[mossy light]

For magisters terrace runic glaive mobs going down that hallway do I just keep hots on everyone in case they get the dot? On +15 and +16 the damage insane and I feel like if I don't prehot I will fall behind but that hallway burns insane amount of my mana

Is there anything else I can do or am I doing something wrong with that part of the dungeon

[urban kestrel]

sadly it costs twice as many crests to upgrade your mainhand and offhand seperately as it would to just upgrade a 2h wep

it's not the nicest system

crafting a 2h wep does take 4 sparks instead of 2 though

[whole horizon]

your group needs personal defensives, your ironbark, you have to dispel the magic DoT, and anyone that gets 2 stacks of the debuff is dead without a defensive

[spark river]

93k hps on a 20 key vexamus

yeah piss off with these takes

[whole horizon]

i've run through that hallway with so many healers that ignore the magic debuff i just instantly start flaming when i die there

it's fking absurd

[sacred wasp]

yeah in the hallway of hell you need to really pay attention to whne someone has 2 dots (bleed + magic ), i save recklnessness potion for one pull and lust for the other

[gentle nova]

Thats a design problem tho

[thorn plover]

Question for people much more senior than me.... Has any build ever been this controversial

[tulip nexus]

isnt lights potential better than recklesness?

[gentle nova]

We were doing 90k hps 50 ilv ago

[sacred wasp]

no because in that scenario you simply need more gcds rather than stronger heals

[whole horizon]

at least once per season

[main timber]

This is nothing. You should have seen vers vs mastery conversations in BFA

[thorn plover]

Nice. I was hoping this wasn't peak

That's exciting

[tough portal]

But he said I was bullshitting when I said 20s dont just full-time require 50% more healing than most people's 15s

[urban kestrel]

you should've seen the master of harmony fistweaving wars

those were CONTENT

[main timber]

This build isn't even controversial. It is good at doing a thing, and quite a bit worse when you're not doing that thing

[sacred wasp]

faster gcds helps with dispelling and whackamoling the dots

[main timber]

Play it if you want to give it a try, play regular build otherwise

[past tusk]

what is normal in terms of overall hps in a key? lets say a +12

[thorn plover]

How much worse is it since it relies on 2 separate bugs

[urban kestrel]

idk my personal take on it is it's a really good build for trash, if people are dying on trash, it's worth considering, if people are dying to a hard boss, dump it immediately

[thorn plover]

Everyone bug abusing doc build should catch a ban 😏

[main timber]

It means it might be more fleeting but sometimes the meta build is built on a bug for an entire season

[sudden rover]

80k

[urban kestrel]

if people arent dying and key isn't timed, blame shit dps

[sacred wasp]

not again!

[mossy light]

Okay thanks for all the tips

[main timber]

You can only play the game in front of you

[spark river]

are you clinically insane

[main timber]

There is no set amount. Depends on the key, depends on the group

You didn't succeed or fail based on how much overall HPS you did

[sudden rover]

yes

[urban kestrel]

maybe the starfire tooltip is bugged and the starfire damage number is the truth

[spark river]

Makes sense

[urban kestrel]

how do you like that voulk?

[main timber]

Maybe, but it is a bug and should be fixed in either direction

I don't mind too much which way they go

[tough portal]

I mostly mind that they wrote a whole set of hotfixes with the premise that Starfire was too weak

Like sometimes they would come across better without typing any reasoning paragraphs yk?

[urban kestrel]

yeah idk the moment they posted those I was just like "have they played any keeper or actually spammed starfire or are they just making shit up cause everyone is still spamming rake?"

[tough portal]

Just fuck it we want Starfire spam to be the norm for a season so we'll make it much better than Catweaving

[urban kestrel]

and i think the devs were just making shit up

[tough portal]

Instead of displaying they live in a parallel universe

[main timber]

Yes it's very easy to criticize the changes themselves

And they received this feedback before the patch

[urban kestrel]

honestly I dig it, fuck learning how to play melee in dungeons

[tulip nexus]

alright, havent tried that pot - its not too bad for mana to SM + 3x reju and double single reju to be prehotted tho - but just like many other hard packs it comes down to ur team helping you out with dispells/personals etc

[tough portal]

@main timber is atonement healing 'popular' in he disc playerbase?

[main timber]

Yes very

[tough portal]

Like did disc priests generally enjoy late DF gameplay of just turreting smites like crazy?

Damn they must be pisst

[main timber]

Yes they are

[tough portal]

With current disc in M+

[urban kestrel]

disc is losing it over their spec getting buffed because atonement number went down

[tough portal]

And current resto druid

[urban kestrel]

like thats all over reddit and disc discords atm

[main timber]

They hated their changes also

I think only Pres was mildly happy

[fair lava]

theres nothing quite like raid prog when ur healer teammates are sweating bullets and ur just in the back…. smite smite smite smite

[tough portal]

The main characters

Blizzard devs are just lizard people huh

[tall ridge]

Well the main issue with disc is atonement is their main way to aoe heal outside of rng.

[urban kestrel]

well it was a 2% nerf for absolute gamers, a 14% nerf for idiots still playing voidweaver, and a 20% buff for 99% of players who were bad at expiation+sfiend

[spark river]

@tough portal 71k overall hps in a 20 key is so cool

[gleaming spoke]

Atonement healing was what made Disc unique. There's nothing unique about defensive penances and fishing for ShadowMend LoH procs.

[sacred wasp]

yeah like through those pulls i maintain my hots as best i can but once the damage comes in your gcd economy gets starved

[urban kestrel]

my main disc experience in keys this season though is tank runs into xenas, pulls 7 defenders, and then dies before I get in healing range long enough to remove 14 stacks of the absorb

[tulip nexus]

did some insane trash pulls with a random blaster premade in 18 pit yday and they were just on point with insta dispells/personals/healthstones etc, felt so nice to see how top tier dps are so aware and reacting instantly to dots etc

[urban kestrel]

also disc really feels like praying for procs in keys right now: pray for smend proc and pray for void shield proc

its kind of depressing

[tulip nexus]

at some point you do what you can but you cant do some of the pulls on your own

[urban kestrel]

feels sick in raid though

free 200k hps spec if you can press sw:d

[fair lava]

raid is a vibe cant deny it but ya in m+ it feels bad

[sacred wasp]

the MT hallway of hell is an interesting case because once their buttons are exhausted you really just have to heal like a god

but idk if geardiff but i felt oddly comfy in the 19

[tulip nexus]

is your gear insane or what

[idle lake]

is this an insane oversight ? or does it just not work

[crystal kettle]

is the echo of l'ura trinket any good? I cant find it on any guides so im assuming its bad ?

[main timber]

Equip it and let us know

I had a quick scan of them earlier and none of them looked unsquished

[tulip nexus]

its bad

[sacred wasp]

279 but i have myth gaze and hero locus walkers

[thorn plover]

Ring itself says doesn't work over 80 or 83 iirc

[idle lake]

ahh

[crystal kettle]

thx for confirm

[idle lake]

gg

[main timber]

And yeah not every atonement disc iteration was the best, but that should still be the core mechanic they setup playstyles around

[tulip nexus]

nice, no luck with the ribbon yet but i have myth gaze too, 282 ilvl

[urban kestrel]

since they got hero specs, disc just always feels so divided, oracle is the shield and penance* build and voidweaver is smite (and also always bad other than like 1 M+ season)

idk greater smite is fun though, hoping that gets to be op once before it's inevitably deleted for being shit design

[tall ridge]

For those saying the hps ceiling is reduced by 10-15% for doc where does that come from? Hero talents or just the two talents youd use elsewhere in resto?

[thorn plover]

Both

[urban kestrel]

arguably 3 talents in resto since you'd drop MS

[tulip nexus]

hpriest is just more fun than disc, cant change my mind

[past tusk]

archon hpriest is so much fun

[gleaming spoke]

I always thought DoC healing could be fun but I'm not sure where the talent points would come from. I enjoy getting mana back with MS and it seems like it would be a synergistic play.

[tulip nexus]

yeah, my only issue with it is the terrible mobility

[urban kestrel]

thats priest in general

[past tusk]

not too bad with feathers

[tulip nexus]

yeah

feels pretty bad even with feathers, idk

[thorn plover]

@gentle nova I haven't had KFC in a decade. What do I order

[sacred wasp]

50 pc popcorn chicken

[spark river]

double cheeseburger box

[wary belfry]

i hate when atonement isnt good on disc

[urban kestrel]

get me a double down

[wary belfry]

its literally the reason to play the spec for me

[gleaming spoke]

Famous Bowl, bro

[wary belfry]

not very happy with shields being so strong rn

[brazen grove]

wanted [this kind](#resto message) of abundance tracking but didnt want to go full arcUI (I'm a native CDM simp) so I made a single purpose abundance tracker. very specific to prob only my needs but in case useful to anyone else its on curseforge https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/abundabrick

[quasi meadow]

hi, does anyone know if there's a way to show symbiotic blooms in the default raid frames?

[spark river]

your cdm has built in abundance tracker

No you cant show symbiotic blooms on raid frames

[plain steeple]

15 seat

How can people play +20 and do no hps

[tulip nexus]

good teammates

[plain steeple]

Has to be fake

[thorn plover]

Maybe with harreks or a weakaura
Any raid frame add-on can do it

[thorn plover]

Is that overall? My 15s are usually under 90k

[thorn whale]

going into a 19 seat

[plain steeple]

Yeah overall after we finished.

[thorn whale]

only played it on 12

anything i should know?

[thorn plover]

Wow

Your team mates suck

[gaunt willow]

Still no changes to resto Druids?’ I expected some hotfixes or patch notes by now

[thorn plover]

For what 🤔

[plain steeple]

These sentinel mob packs that leave 2 dots on teammates truck. Especially when played with the cat adds that also leave dots.

[gaunt willow]

The HPS is a bit of a joke

[thorn plover]

We're on par with disc

[gaunt willow]

Maybe the buff other healers up though

[bright swift]

no shot man

[spark river]

jb just did a 20 aa with 71k hps

[quasi meadow]

perfect thank you ill try that! i dont get why you cant see them by default when they are such an important part of wildstalker healing

[thorn plover]

Man just let me sandbag

[plain steeple]

XD

[gaunt willow]

71 ffs

[plain steeple]

I havent done a single AA 12 upwards below 90k hps

70k hps maybe in a 10

if even

[spark river]

So any argument really falls flat

When he plays with his team

[tulip nexus]

i dont think i have looked at my hps once in m+

[tulip nexus]

i had 62k overall in +17 AA 😂

[plain steeple]

Nice

I had a 15 a few hours ago with ~105k

[mint gate]

I put down 150k on H Phoenix 🙂 (I haven't done any keys in weeks but want to feel included)

[spark river]

was it the one phase strat

[mint gate]

Took two egg phases

[spark river]

Then thats very good

[tulip nexus]

that is really good yeah

it's fun to 2man heal that boss, lura HC is also great for rdruid

[ornate pollen]

I put down 211k but forgot to pot 🙁

[mint gate]

Yeah, we're doing more L'ura prog. Crystal phase sucks so I'm just letting our HPal deal with them

[tulip nexus]

you mean healing the crystals or what

[rich hamlet]

i've been told kotg is more burst and better in m+, is there any truth in this? This came after I couldn't heal the entire construct room at the same time at a +17

[spark river]

No

[tulip nexus]

no

[spark river]

That is very false

[mint gate]

Yeah. Maybe I'm expecting them to clear faster but it sucks to pump like 3 Regrowths per crystal and still not clear. I'm Convoking the phase to get the raid healthy, maybe it's not the best spot

[rich hamlet]

ok good to know, thank you. I'll keep as I am in that case

[mint gate]

WS putting bloom on SM target makes Everbloom go brrrr. I'm never going back

[tulip nexus]

idk i feel like they get insta topped in HC, but yeah hpala can probably top them with one holy light

[spark river]

echo is going to boost a buyer in lura

[rich hamlet]

I do need to get better at not just sticking lifebloom on tank all the time I think

[spark river]

this is going to be entertainment

[mint gate]

It's more HPS keeping LB on yourself, with the added benefit of any mistake you make no longer mattering

[mint gate]

"more HPS" something something overhealing

[rich hamlet]

no issues keeping the tank up I assume without lb on him?

[spark river]

What he is saying is advice for raid

In keys your lb should be most of the time on the tank

Switch to a squishy dps if they are in danger

[rich hamlet]

ahh thanks for clarifying, so it's worth the 3 stack drop to swap to a dps when needed

[spark river]

If your dps is in danger of dying then yes I would switch

[rich hamlet]

thanks for the input, much appreciated

[glass crane]

I also did 62% overhealing with doc so we could've done 100k without changing anything at all

[raven olive]

How is kotg feeling in high keys, @glass crane?

[spark river]

Im not saying its bad, but this is not a viable build unless you play with a set team like you do

[mental belfry]

no viable unless you play with hero classes who dont need healing

[spark river]

Its not about the classes

Its about the players

Your average god comp in your pugs is not going to play like that

[tulip nexus]

it's both tbh

[thorn plover]

bUt dOrKi pUggEd +20 wiTh It

[prime tartan]

Hey we noticed that sometimes when you regrowth into swiftmend it instantly consumes soul of the forest with the regrowth applied before the Swiftmend. Is this known?

[spark river]

yes

its a spell queueing bug

or feature if you wish

[prime tartan]

ah but its inconsistent right?

[spark river]

you can time it pretty consistently

[prime tartan]

ty!

[tulip nexus]

whats the key there

just spam as fast as possible?

[spark river]

You d want to time it with the regrowth cast ending

Its not something you would want to rely on

But you can get it right a lot of the times if you practice it

[chrome dagger]

it seems to work better with more regrowths in the dungeon being active, if every party member has regrowth it works always. If none have regrowth it never works

[young epoch]

Hey! what Stat% i want as a resto?

[spark river]

As much haste and mastery as possible

higher haste for raid and higher mastery for keys

[young epoch]

im 31% hast 31% mastery and feels like im paper in m+

how much vers should i opt for?

[spark river]

Key level?

[young epoch]

doing around 16 and up

[spark river]

@thorn plover the number

You dont really need vers on that key level

A bit more mastery would good for sure

[vivid elbow]

Don’t need to focus on vers just use defensives and dodge avoidable dmg

[young epoch]

Yea so i need to finesse a alnseer or eye from dragons 😛

[tulip nexus]

bear form with ursine can be a lifesaver

[spark river]

you dont need ursine at that level

[tulip nexus]

that is true, but if he is struggling it might help

[spark river]

Bear form only is enough but he is probably not going into bear at all if he struggles living at 16

Also on 16 you dont really die in human form also

So idk

[young epoch]

Atm i have a myth track 1 ring crit/haste should i go for a hero track 6/6 haste/vers or should i keep crithaste one?

[spark river]

I think farming haste mastery rings would be more beneficial

Wear the haste vers one for now

As crit is useless for us

[young epoch]

havent gotten them to drop yet only have 1 haste/mastery ring

havent even seen the nexus point one 😛

alright 🙂 Thanks for the help

[tulip nexus]

I have 50 NPX runs or atleast close to that and I still dont have the haste/mastery ring from there

[thorn plover]

How can I track doc plz

[tulip nexus]

but im bonus rolling it so Ill get it myth track soon enough

[spark river]

i am never entering npx again

i rolled 3 bad items before they reset rolls

i just know duplicates would happen

[tulip nexus]

whats your other option then?

[spark river]

im going to coin gaze next week

[tulip nexus]

ah yeah

[spark river]

doing skyreach instead for dungeons

[bright swift]

???

[spark river]

what

[bright swift]

you got refunded didn't you

[spark river]

yeah

[bright swift]

so why don't you just roll it again

skyreach has way worse items

[spark river]

because im going to get duplicates

staff and chest are fine

only 0.02% diff on the chest

[bold leaf]

How much of this is leeching void

[bright swift]

but ring

[spark river]

well yeah but not in the near future

[bright swift]

also you have a main hand and offhand in skyreach

useless

[spark river]

main hand is off the loot table

kekw

My late season 1 balance arc will be legendary

[tulip nexus]

why is that bad?

[spark river]

you want to up 2hand to 298

thats why

[thorn plover]

Do u no

[tulip nexus]

ah makes sense

[cursive pilot]

Scared to go roll on nexus cause the only mythic I’m missing is ring

[spark river]

also shit stats

1 hand is crit haste i think

[cursive pilot]

It’s blue and in cdm

[tulip nexus]

just got the bis offhand last reset, would have been nice to use it

[thorn plover]

Sorry what is cdm I'm new

[spark river]

the thing that tracks doc

[thorn plover]

Ohhhh KK tysm

[dire pagoda]

Anyone knows the addon what makes your cursor into a cycle castbar?

[thorn plover]

Wekauaras?

[untold perch]

anyone else feeling weak since the update? I feel like I am struggling ever since

[thorn plover]

That's impossible

[spark river]

what are you struggling with

[cursive pilot]

😭

[untold perch]

I feel like hels just aren't hittin the same

heals

[thorn plover]

I wish we could just go back to telling people to SM and lb instead of this doc nonsense

[spark river]

They arent hitting the same

They are hitting harder

[untold perch]

did they buff keys lol

[tulip nexus]

check wowhead for new m+ talent build

[spark river]

we havent had that many log reviews recently tbh

[tulip nexus]

you might have wrong talents

[thorn plover]

M+ build didn't even change

[tall ridge]

Is matted fur really that bad of a talent to pick up? I know it takes two talent points to be really good but a near 20% shield on your main defensive seems really good no?

[tulip nexus]

ur right, im stupid

[untold perch]

either stuff hits harder or idk maybe I am just having an off week

[cursive pilot]

Sounds like an off weak

[thorn plover]

Make sure you don't have an agi weapon

😏

[mint gate]

Must be an off week, the buffs were enormous

[untold perch]

oh dang lemme switch that lmao

[thorn plover]

🧠

[untold perch]

lol

I mean I guess I could use a smidge more mast

[thorn plover]

That don't matter

[spark river]

Its fine

[untold perch]

alright off week then lol

[spark river]

You should look at what you re doing fundamentally wrong

[cunning needle]

generally speaking the average player thinks wayyy too much about stats and things that have +/- less a 1% difference.

almost always big leaks in gameplay

[spark river]

Your build and stats arent the issue

[thorn plover]

Off days happen

Or bad string of pugs

[untold perch]

yeah I guess I am just beating myself up

[plain steeple]

I have no idea. What is leeching void?

[thorn plover]

My pug experience earlier this week

[silk ice]

[tulip nexus]

😄

what key level?

[thorn plover]

17

The Nexus is a 12

[silk ice]

Says 2 right there

[thorn plover]

Lol

[silk ice]

[tulip nexus]

kek

[stable verge]

Average Skyreach experience

[proven phoenix]

I've transferred to the dark side

c u guys

[thorn plover]

Luckily almost all of those were before first boss died

[untold perch]

I love skyreach 🙃

[tulip nexus]

skyreach stresses me the fuck out

[untold perch]

especially when everyone just jumps off the edge

[silk ice]

You gotta aim for the heavens so you land in the clouds. Or in other words, Reach for the Sky

[tulip nexus]

next week gonna push 18 on it

[thorn plover]

I'm done pushing for a bit. My m+ group doesn't log in anymore

[silk ice]

Imagine vulpera druid

[stable verge]

Same, it's the one I don't want to do lmao

[thorn plover]

And I'm not pugging that much

[proven phoenix]

I wish

[untold perch]

Missed a 16 by 15 seconds because the tank caught a hurricane off the edge....

[thorn plover]

You could have saved him

Travel form, jump off, he mounts you, you wild charge back

Ez gg

[stable verge]

Literaly trolling

[untold perch]

I will be sure to do that next time 😛

[stable verge]

Or travel forms, he mounts you but you fail the jump and double death

As god intended

[untold perch]

lmao

I do that on the wind thing

[fiery tendon]

in m+, do we put symbiotic relationship on the tank? or has it more value keeping on squeeshy deeps?

[untold perch]

I kinda read the group and see who needs it lol

[stable verge]

Usually squeeshy

[fiery tendon]

do you swap it around?

[silk ice]

The tank wanted to HURRYcane

[fiery tendon]

(im doing 13s btw)

[untold perch]

sometimes...

[fiery tendon]

allright cheers 🙂

i figured the healing from the tank would help me get some free ez heals

[untold perch]

blood dks lmao yes

[stable verge]

I think I only ever swap at the start of caverns for the first pull (on tank) then back to weak dd. Mostly 'cause first pull is heavy tank damage

[fiery tendon]

monk in my case

good call that is Herduin

[stable verge]

But I don't think it's that relevant

[fiery tendon]

allright 🙂

thank you both!

[thorn plover]

The tanks healing has no interaction with symb

[fiery tendon]

ah ofc.

thank you for that Purrformance

[tulip nexus]

every boss is just so healing intensive at that key level

last boss beams go crazy

[untold perch]

convoke is a life saver when I blank out and forget what's up lmao

[stable verge]

I'd say I'm not super worried for 1&3 but yeah all kinds of beams are making me sweat a bunch

[mint gate]

I'd still trade Convoke for Adaptive

[tulip nexus]

yeah first is fine, just need good movement, 3rd is probably the easiest if you deal with the birds correctly

the beaming adds deciding to double beam our aug or something is so bullshit tho

i thought they were gonna fix stuff like that

[thorn whale]

Isn't it only last boss that is healing intensive or what

[stable verge]

HAS to be the aug ofc

[thorn plover]

2nd is too

[thorn whale]

felt piss easy ngl

[tulip nexus]

beam boss is aswell

[river sable]

Hey guys, is it true Natures Swiftness no longer buffs every Regrowth during Convoke ?

[cursive pilot]

Are you guys ready to play overcooked next season

[thorn plover]

It's predictable damage so not bad

[thorn plover]

True

[stable verge]

Yeah 2nd can become scary if people don't do the beam tech / tank doesn't help here and there, which no one does at lower levels

[river sable]

😭

[cursive pilot]

“Failed my +18 cause dps didn’t serve the steak” chatlog

[tulip nexus]

yeah its so much easier with a premade, or people who understand how to play it

[frigid glen]

is there any trick to heal absurb mana bomb ability in vexamus??

there is no way to spot heal 3 ppl it kills in 2 secs from %100 without defensive

[stable verge]

Well, prepare and heal 😄

[thorn plover]

Convoke, tranq, potion, convoke

Sotf regrowth

[stable verge]

Swift NS regrowth ye

And if DD are not dumb they are a defensive for the overlap, at least some of them anyway

[frigid glen]

any other tips other than standart healing?

[cursive pilot]

More healing

[spark river]

get better teammates

[frigid glen]

it cast mana bomb every 20 second boss takes about 4 minutes

[stable verge]

Only the 2nd set will have an overlap with fissure thi

[tulip nexus]

you only have to worry about topping the grp after mana bombs in the second set

with the overlap

[stable verge]

So regular healing works for the first. No defensive no nothing should be needed

[frigid glen]

i have no problem with aoe dmg, if they survive mana bomb i can top everyone easily. they just cant survive after a while

[tulip nexus]

what do you mean

[cursive pilot]

You could also check video runs of that boss to get an idea

[frigid glen]

even i cant hold myself when it cast on me 3 times in a row

[stable verge]

Well they need to be topped before the aoe yeah

[tough frigate]

technically off topic - how does upgrading rings work btw in terms of discounting future upgrades? Do you just need to upgrade 2 rings to 6/6?

[stable verge]

2 yeah

[cursive pilot]

2 years

[plain steeple]

I would instantly pay the money for the change.

[stable verge]

Damn that's long time to upgrade

[silk ice]

Me too

[cursive pilot]

😅

[wise galleon]

bear form(?)

[frigid glen]

it just doesnt enough i feel i dont know im so down right now.

[thorn plover]

me with mechagnome druid

[tulip nexus]

just prep for it better, bear form is also a lifesaver for the final explosion

[stable verge]

If you have a log we could help maybe

[plain steeple]

Also nice.
Going from small nice gnome into terrorbear form. Holy moly

[frigid glen]

and other 2 dies:)

[stable verge]

But yeah, people should be hotted before the 2nd one. Rotate defensive with convoke / tranq/pot / ns regrowth

[plain steeple]

Can we have a big mechano terrorbear?

[stable verge]

Ironbark can save someone too

[tulip nexus]

you cant heal during that global anyways since you also have to move after the bomb explodes

just do it last second

if you have to

[wise galleon]

What key level is this and how are you preparing before the damage event comes?

[cursive pilot]

Everyone should be fully topped

[frigid glen]

i dont have log i memorised deaths.
6. mana bomb for example
3 people gets, 1 have defansive but still needs heal otherwise he dies. other two dies from %100 to %0 in 1.8 seconds and i die from %95 to %0 with 4+ hots ready

[frigid glen]

19

i do everything druid has, i just dont know what to do lol

[thorn plover]

have you looked at other's logs that have done it

[cursive pilot]

If they go from 100 to 0 what do they expect you to do

[tulip nexus]

cordinate the defensives better i guess, also lifeblooming one of the mana bomb targets helps

[frigid glen]

but many people could do it , okay some has dk with pre ams maybe but still i cant heal 2 spots.

is the wildstalker has higher heal output?

[thorn plover]

yes a lot

[tulip nexus]

yeas

[frigid glen]

maybe i should try groove?

[stable verge]

Hell yeah

[tulip nexus]

its not gonna be better with grove

[frigid glen]

i mean healing an aug to mana bomb is a nightmare. it is just not possible lol

i cant understand it ticks like %40 his hp

[spark river]

it is if both of you are capable

[tulip nexus]

it is

[frigid glen]

and burst at the end like %85

[tulip nexus]

lifebloom him, ironbark if he doesnt have scale

[wise galleon]

Double reju + regrowths and cast wild growth before the explosion and turn into bear and pop ursine vigor is the best you can accomplish, also maybe use a swiftmend. before all of this and keep the soul of the forest for a nature's swiftness + regrowth

another cast is convoke and another is tranq

then you rotate this I guess?

[stable verge]

Otherwise well.. AA 19 is fairly crap so it will never be easy x)

[wise galleon]

yeah on augs I always put symbiotic..

they squishy as hell

[frigid glen]

i ll come back with a log and ask again

maybe i fail something

[spark river]

The response will be the same

[wise galleon]

keep lifebloom on the guy aswell

does tank even need it

[frigid glen]

3 spots

for sure will happen

[thorn plover]

tank shouldnt need it there

[frigid glen]

in that fight

[tulip nexus]

i usually run with aug mage ww, not the easiest dps comp to heal 😄

[spark river]

Tank shouldnt need it at all with the new build monks have

[tulip nexus]

it is a bitch of a boss tho, the last tick + explosion has caught me off guard in higher keys many times

but its just skill issue

also the pack before the boss is rough

[stable verge]

Also, if possible, stay relatively close to your efflo when dropping bombs ?

Apex Blooming inside efflo will always heal a bit more through verdancy. Won't change your life but hey..

[rustic copper]

@grizzled seal Do you think I should convoke on pull, cd, on or before 1st galvanize instead of before i1

[tulip nexus]

its such a free key tho after u kill vexamus

assuming you havent fucked up before that

[grizzled seal]

I have to carry intermission so I have to convoke for intermission

[rustic copper]

I see

[stable verge]

Well yeah but then again that's 80% of the dg at this point x)

[thorn plover]

go vexamus first

[tulip nexus]

yeah, just funny how easy the last boss is compared to the others

[tough frigate]

People listing 10's as competitive is an interesting one

[ornate pollen]

Have you been in 10s? They're harder than 17s

[tough frigate]

I mean I think that's mostly the 'competetive' players, right? 😄

[tulip nexus]

i feel like people just put the tag completely randomly most of the time

[tough portal]

What do you want them to pick buckaro?

[tulip nexus]

but probably just alts of people with high io on mains and just wanna fast blast for vault

[tough frigate]

I don't want them to not pick it, but I feel like all 10's should be relaxed after week 1

[polar lichen]

i think everybody should pick relaxed for their groups because i hope everybody has a relaxing time playing video games with internet friends

[tough frigate]

100% agree

[mint gate]

Everybody progs at different paces. It's still not an excuse for toxicity

[tulip nexus]

I always put relaxed regardless of key level, I dont think most people pay attention to it even tho

[fervent mica]

tag shouldn't be required...

[cursive pilot]

competitive at failing keys tell you that much

[hybrid tangle]

resil = we're here until we time it, competitive = I will yell at the healer or tank for my death that was my own fault, relaxed = I'm just pressing buttons

[safe pine]

Does anyone know/have a resource for the specific math on how Mastery DRs as you have more HoTs on a target?

[tough frigate]

I had a tank recently do a big first pull in Windrunner Spire, leave the mobs in the DR zone and complain that the DPS and heals were the problem 😄

in hindsight I should have just typhooned them

[mint gate]

I vortex them in it to grief

[ornate pollen]

"Everybody progs at different paces. It's still not an excuse for toxicity" -> "I vortex them in it to grief"

[safe pine]

tyty

[mint gate]

Griefing the premade I run with of course >:)

[cursive pilot]

learner = we time this yesterday

[tough frigate]

That's fast

[tulip nexus]

resil is the only one I look at, but thats also written in the note and not selectable from the category

[sacred wasp]

i play world of warcraft to ruin my night

see also: overwatch

[fervent mica]

when i see resil listed on a key i assume they're trying to carry their friend through it when they have no business being there.

[sacred wasp]

the classic 3800 char next to a 3600 absolute demon

[fervent mica]

nah... its always the 3k alt

[tulip nexus]

not my experience with resil runs

[frigid glen]

lol this dream of cenerius and build is incredible. party is like immune for 15 seconds in big pull

[fervent mica]

thats like 265

[sacred wasp]

3k alt i wouldnt even try, 3600 ill give it a few abandons 😂

[frigid glen]

which talent is making shiftmend to not remove hot instead make them longer?

checking from phone i couldnt find it

[fervent mica]

verdant infusion

[frigid glen]

oh right ty

[tulip nexus]

lot of resil groups are also 3-4 man premades who just want to time it to get a prog key

[fervent mica]

maybe its just more likely to get the invite with the group in my comment

[tulip nexus]

thats probably true 😄

[pseudo tangle]

what are u guys spamming for st fights in m+ for caster spec?

wrath? starfire?

[dawn cosmos]

was wondering boys if theres a place where i can find good premade profiles for danders for resto druid

[fervent mica]

#resto message

[mental belfry]

wago has imports

[tulip nexus]

atleast rdruid is the prio healer outside of melee comps so u can get into groups above ur key level sometimes

i dont usually pug tho

[dry ice]

At 17 there is a hard bias for rdruid in pugs

[fervent mica]

😄

[tulip nexus]

😂

[dry ice]

I say pugs, even my guildies dont want my disc goodness 😇

[tulip nexus]

yeah i want to push my hpala and priest at some point but i would have to mostly pug for that

and i jsut know im gonna get gatekept at some key level and its just gonna be a queue simulator

[fervent mica]

thats when you convince your whole group to play alts

[dry ice]

Can confirm the wall is 17 LOL. Even getting people on my own key is a bit of a issue.

[tulip nexus]

they do have alts but arent interested/dont have the time to push them

[tough frigate]

Is there anything more embarrassing than failing an easy skip in AA and falling to your death

[tulip nexus]

the one after first boss?

[tough frigate]

after second boss

[tulip nexus]

ah yeha thats hwat i meant

[dry ice]

Oh skipping the pack at the dock thingy

With the big worms

[fervent mica]

oof

[dry ice]

Ironically its an easy pack

If you kick all the surge casts

[fervent mica]

the aa i did last night the tank was wildin out there... pulled the 2nd worm and all 8 extra mini wyrms into the bridge pack

[dry ice]

Well damn lol

[tough frigate]

It was only a 10, but the tank still had a few greens on, genuinely had less HP than the hunter (as brew) - but took barely any damage, it just makes me think half of the tanks I group with are garbage at pressing their buttons that don't do damage

[tulip nexus]

i had a tank go left in maisara yesterday, also went through the gauntlet with the giant ghost fists straight throug hthe middle

pulling both sides packs

[tough frigate]

That's bold

[dry ice]

Crossing that bridge is insane

[tulip nexus]

somehow we still didnt have enough % after killing last boss

[dry ice]

Left or right

Pick a side

[tough frigate]

I think every one I've done people have gone right

[tulip nexus]

we always go left

is there any difference?

[dry ice]

Pulling pyromancer pack left of first boss in MGT is my all time goated bs pull thus far

[tough frigate]

Zero clue, I just press buttons to make peoples HP stay up

[dry ice]

I think they're identical

Or close enough that I didnt notice

[fervent mica]

mammoths, mostly

stew buff is very nice though

[dry ice]

OH I thought he meant the bridge

Nm

[tulip nexus]

i meant the bridge

[fervent mica]

oh, i thought they meant start

[tulip nexus]

i have never went left in maisara before that tank did it

[dry ice]

Its a lot of extra trash I feel like. Haven't checked in MDT but it doesnt seem like something I'd wanna do. Theres also a higher risk of pulling extra

[polar lichen]

is there anything obvious to look for if my brew tank is taking more damage than expected in 10s

like if theyre keeping purifying brews and celestial infusion on cooldown and doing their dps rotation they're basically doing everything right for mitigation right?

[thorn plover]

this kotg shit is making it hard to get into pugs

[tulip nexus]

have to start putting "not kotg" in the note I guess 😄

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/peaceful-brick-peacefulbrick-brick-riotbrick-riot-brick-gif-6504661957106754577

[silk ice]

Are the pugs wanting kotg to kicking people who play it?

[thorn plover]

not inviting people who play it

[silk ice]

Imagine wanting healers to heal smh

[pulsar kettle]

good

just say ur WS no DOC and you'll get invited I bet

[thorn plover]

yeah thats what ive been doing

[rare bear]

Hi!!!! Is there any way, or a macro, that lets me switch into Bear Form and instantly cast Frenzied Regeneration?

[pulsar kettle]

no

both are on the global cooldown.

[thorn plover]

2 buttons always

[rare bear]

f 😢

tyty

[thorn plover]

#showtooltip frenzied regeneration
/cast [nostance][stance:2][stance:3][stance:4] Bear Form(Shapeshift)
/cast Frenzied Regeneration

this is what i use

you can just spam it, but its not 1 press

[patent lintel]

theres no way to make this burn my HOTW right?

[thorn plover]

just add /cast hotw to the last line

its off the gcd

[flint void]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:pdyxzkf1XKbv8mQr?fight=30&type=casts&source=5 can someone roast my performance

wanna do even better

[quasi meadow]

hey guys im still trying to figure out how to see the symbiotic blooms buff when in a raid. someone earlier suggested harreks however theres no option in that addon for this specific buff:/ is the only option really to set up a whole new UI via an extensive addon like grid/elvui/etc?

[flint void]

symbiotic blooms are i think still secreted from addons

you don't get to track them

[thorn plover]

no they arent

[flint void]

sorry for misinfo

[quasi meadow]

what do you use to track them?

[thorn plover]

you can probably do it with a weakaura

i use danders

danders or grid can track them

[flint void]

I personally do not find need to track them specifically, because knowing where my symbiotic blooms are does not really change what i'm doing all too much

[tulip nexus]

yeah feels like unnecessary clutter on frames to me

[flint void]

and i don't have full control over them anyways

[quasi meadow]

but you get more healing output healing people with the buff

[cursive pilot]

yea lemme add another thing I cant see

[thorn plover]

but you still gotta heal them whether they have it or not

[flint void]

knowing where your WG, Regrowth and rejuvs are means you need to be warry about overriding your wg/regrowth/rejuvs as you spread your hots around

symbiotic blooms just vibe and exist

[proven phoenix]

is this my grid

[flint void]

more overhealing by spamming more stuff on a symbiotic bloom haver is: èh

[quasi meadow]

like if everyone's hp is down and i want to maximize healing it makes sense to focus on those targets and let it splash over to other people

[flint void]

we already get 40-50% overhealing, don't need to make it 70%

[thorn plover]

why do you play like this

[cursive pilot]

not sure

[flint void]

generally speaking, i find needing to keep track of symbiotic blooms to be a hassle on the overhead, and it'd be information overload

i'd rather keep track of all the other hots, boss mechanics,...

[cursive pilot]

my eyes usually up here

[quasi meadow]

yeah i hear ya that makes sense im just trying to optimize

[rustic copper]

My eyes are on the frames

[thorn plover]

^

[rustic copper]

You are staring at your mana bar?

[thorn plover]

why are you looking at your abilities

lol

[rustic copper]

Waiting for convoke to be ready?

[cursive pilot]

No like obv eye on frame for hp

or debuf etc

[thorn plover]

you dont like to see at a quick glance what hots everyone has

[cursive pilot]

ik what hots everyone at with a quick glance

[flint void]

another thing i did because i CBA trying to keep track of it:

my regrowth button i use every god damn second is a macro of:

#showtooltip Regrowth
/cast Nature's Swiftness
/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead][] regrowth

fuck it, whenever it's off cooldown the enxt regrowth i cast will be swifted

[thorn plover]

just like resto shaman

[polar lichen]

my eyes are meeting my tanks eyes, sharing a tender moment of vulnerability before the tank buster neither of us pressed a button for obliterates him

[cursive pilot]

my abundance stuff in the middle tho

[thorn plover]

whatever works

[cursive pilot]

long as my groups alive

[grizzled seal]

how fucking broken is druid in raid now btw

[flint void]

is it?

it's beautiful

[grizzled seal]

I took 5 (five) glaive hits here

[flint void]

Everbloom goes BRRRRR

[grizzled seal]

on mythic lura

[flint void]

well... you're very tanky on rdruid with the current build

[grizzled seal]

yeah I feel like you have to die to this

[flint void]

because whatever happens, you want to roll 2 rejuvs, a lifebloom and a regrowth on yourself

• leech

[rustic copper]

I’m always alive

Even when a crystal explodes

It’s me and the bdk

[grizzled seal]

yeah

happened so often LOL

[bright swift]

based

[tulip nexus]

+19 AA is my way of relaxing

[gentle nova]

doc only works in 21 pugs

[somber sky]

doc feels completely free in 17/18 as well. it's just people not understanding how to play it now that give it a bad rep
my guild even says they are not inviting any druid anymore besides me

[grizzled seal]

@lyric bridge did you do deep p3 yet?

I need a p3 log of WS druid

[bright swift]

there's a public log with WS

everbloom top gulp

[rapid dagger]

what is recommned to use extra rolls on. if u are not going into mythic raiding

[bright swift]

nexus point xenas

[bright swift]

that guy has lb on an evoker too

not himself

[grizzled seal]

lifebloom on mage in the intermission

[bright swift]

i have it on myself still

i'm very central

mage is not central lol

[cursive pilot]

what if only thing I need is ring and all else turns into dupe

[polar lichen]

well then don't do that

unless youre out of other stuff to target?

[cursive pilot]

bury my head in MC

MC pre much the only one but theres something bout that dungeon

[polar lichen]

i wish the game let me look at the duplicate prevention database

[grizzled seal]

does it even matter in the intermission?

[bright swift]

Ofc. I have like 8 Everbloom targets in intermission

[grizzled seal]

how can there be someone that wouldn't everbloom 6 targets?

[bright swift]

I usually bark my mage

[glass crane]

you need to consume your sotf and then move your lb during the frenzy so splash everyone

[grizzled seal]

ok nice

tell me when you get 60% haste for that

[glass crane]

reck pot for it

[cerulean stratus]

is 2min convoke a good cook rn

[grizzled seal]

yeah true, I use it there

[cerulean stratus]

i was looking at belor logs

[grizzled seal]

I am using 2 min convoke

[cerulean stratus]

cause i might heal

he got like 8% if you account for convoke % + 1 point in tv

[grizzled seal]

pre pull 2 min convoke goes hard

on some pulls I get to 23 rejuvs for tranq

[cerulean stratus]

im not even sure on belor

cause idk if you benefit more from more convoke casts

compared to beefier convokes

been in bear jail

[rustic copper]

Wrong Niko lol

[grizzled seal]

bruh

[rustic copper]

Best pull is dying to 1st memory game p3

[high hawk]

does anyone have a trink+convoke macro? i set one up but it seems to cancel my channel. do i have to set the trinket first in the order?

[lapis osprey]

anyone go ta good video for high lvl keys are doing Echo of Dorogosa (last boss of Algathar?)

im curious how people do it without overwhemling the group

[dreamy wave]

Hoping to get some feedback on key bindings. I'm new to healing on druid. These are my current binds but I feel like they don't make sense.

[zealous scarab]

Key bindings are whatever makes sense to you, really. I play in the middle of my keyboard because of nerve pain on the pinky side of my hand. So if they don't make sense to you, then change them. If they work for you, then keep them. It's all about getting muscle memory for them anyways

[zealous hill]

Does wildstalker run x2 swiftmend in m+

[fervent mica]

can. some people prefer it

vi is bae though

[zealous hill]

Ty

[lyric surge]

why are there two lifebloom binds?

[rustic copper]

Looks fine to me depending on how comfortable middle click is for you, rejuv and regrowth on your 2 easiest to press buttons is ideal

[rustic copper]

No that’s what people say and then you check their log and they have .2s gaps between their spells

[ripe flame]

I feel like left click rejuve, right regrowth, middle lifeboom but that's just me

[polar lichen]

i concur!!

also considering you probably want to bind swiftmend, dispel, bres, ironbark, maybe innervate, you may not want to put symbiotic relationship on a cool and easily accessible bind like shift-rightclick

[narrow osprey]

How big of an HPS loss is Liveliness vs MS in m+?

[brittle sedge]

anyone have any clean DF profiles. I have so many useless icons on here and honestly i have no idea how DF works . I just wanna see my hots/defensives and dispells

[proven phoenix]

you said you only want to see hots and dispels

one of the things you circled is a dispel debuff

the other is a hot

you should see both of those

depending on the addon you can disable the lust/sated thing and the gateway debuff

[brittle sedge]

the icon in the top right is the dispel isn't it. the blue fae icon

[marsh condor]

Hi guys, I just hit 90 and was looking at the wowhead m+ build. How often are you guys switching in to moonkin form to dps?

[limpid jacinth]

Never

[brittle sedge]

also didnt mean to circle the hot. I just feel liek what I have set up now is way too many icons

[hushed heath]

how significant is the healing output difference running grove or wild stalker?

[cursive pilot]

wonder whats credit score min

[hushed heath]

I literally just signed up with a funny note for that one xD

800 appears to be toolow

[bold leaf]

Leeching void is a heal absorption shield that some of the mobs in that dungeon put on you and details pick it up as massive healing

[inland terrace]

Did Blizz fix NS working during convoke? Wondering if it's pointless to macro them together now.

[tulip nexus]

yep, doesnt work anymore

[inland terrace]

RIP. I kinda like that tbh. Can actually use it during fights now.

[sudden rover]

go on vickman's stream on twitch, he has a link with his UI it's very clean

you'll get everything you want there

[lone basalt]

2-3%

[sudden rover]

@brittle sedge https://justpaste.it/l1i2l

he even has a little video to explain how to set it up, what a nice guy

[thorn plover]

sketch link

[sudden rover]

u got me

[brittle sedge]

tyty

[vagrant citrus]

Hey, I'm sorry if this has been answered before but is it worth spending the global to transform into moonkin before doing caster damage? Or should I just stay unshapeshifted while dpsing?

[thorn plover]

not worth the gcd no

[vagrant citrus]

Okay, thank you

[polar lichen]

getting mastery for being in moonkin form is such a good troll

[kind star]

need a trinket sooo bad still using the worldboss statstick trinket its soo bad x)

[spark river]

hello guys how can i track doc buff

[fervent mica]

have you tried mycharts?

[thorn plover]

Hi I also need help w this plz let me no if u find out plz thx

Can lifebloomaelrt track doc plz? Thanks in advance