resto

[thorn plover]

if there isnt a prio target, sure

[ornate pollen]

or a mob with higher health even

[merry nexus]

if going to use it, it owuld be used on opener or its pointless

[hard loom]

Its a meme build

[runic bramble]

its not, its just different from doing 100k overhealing

[hard loom]

Won't be rage baited. Good day sir

[tough portal]

I'm getting ragebaited by these bonus rolls man

Just useless shit

GIMME A WEAPON goddammit

[wet stone]

Are we suppose to SM to also extend Lifebloom ? or should we be letting Lb get to pandemic to refresh so it splashes to others?

[polar lichen]

im staring at my three refunded voidcores in decision paralysis

spending in nexus point again feels wrong but the other dungeons are kind of meh

maybe it's time to offspec a puzzle box

[rigid mirage]

does anyone have a sm/lifebloom self macro

do i just add @self

[polar lichen]

/cast [@player] whatever

[rigid mirage]

bet ty

[runic bramble]

its not a rage bait tho, if u are doing a key that doesn’t require high hps there is no reason not to swap

[hard loom]

Yeah but your swapping to a meme build

[polar lichen]

any key can require high dps if i suck shit at the game

[merry nexus]

if u r doing that, u should just set focus

[runic bramble]

why? it’s probably the best build in MC

what key are you depleting from raw hps that you wouldn’t time with kotg while doing 30k more dps

[oak garnet]

Keys aren't lost because healers lack damage

[runic bramble]

keys not lost because rdruid lack raw hps

[solid hemlock]

Glue eating generally

[pastel dragon]

im hesitent to try kotg in like 16+ but im sure is fine with a coordinated group

[oak garnet]

High risk high reward

[sonic birch]

in +10-15 is kotg valid?

[oak garnet]

1000%

[runic bramble]

that was kinda my point, in keys without substantial hps checks it performs well

[sonic birch]

i see 1 kotg for every 50 stalker

in logs

[topaz nest]

atp with like 270+ gear you can probably play without most talents and succeed in 10s

[oak garnet]

In 10-15 you can blast 65k dps with doc doing 20K+ hps

[runic bramble]

since the starfire healing is non trivial, and it just does more damage

but ofc there are pulls you would wish u were WS normal build cause it ease the key

[oak garnet]

Doc falls off when keys start to get a little more punishing but you're pugs still stand in fire

[runic bramble]

but if they stand in fire in a +15-17 you die anyway

[oak garnet]

Not really

You can save them still, but if you're trying to rng starfire cleave them to full hp gl

In huge pack sure doc is busted

[pastel dragon]

i might opt to compromise with doc on WS and try some 16-17

[pulsar kettle]

that may just be self int

[oak garnet]

If you have good guildies or friends you can trust go for it

[runic bramble]

arguably better than WS, so if you judge a dungeon to only have manageable packs and bosses there is no reason to swap

[pulsar kettle]

alot of the doc silliness comes from kotg bugs with starfire.

[pastel dragon]

what are the bugs

[oak garnet]

Starfire cleaves for more than intended and thus doc heals for more than intended

[pastel dragon]

interesting

[pulsar kettle]

isnt blooming infusion still bugged with its interactions with natures bounty and rampant growth

[fervent mica]

yeah

every regrowth is 4 towards the 5 for instant

[pastel dragon]

holy shit lol

[fervent mica]

well, every one with sotf

[pastel dragon]

ohh with sotf

ok i guess that kinda makes sense bgut might not be intended

[oak garnet]

It's not as broken as you think bc if you just spam starfire during call, you don't weave rg but it does add a little random power when call is down

[ebon oracle]

Does anyone have any suggestions for tracking Abundance stacks? Right now I’m using the default CD manager. I used to have a weak aura bar that would change colors at certain breakpoints. I’d love to have something visual like that again. My buddy was able to achieve it with QoL addon, but I’d prefer to not have to use such a huge addon for one small feature.

[cerulean stratus]

is catweaving totally dead now

even on st

[fervent mica]

nah

[cerulean stratus]

so i go cat on st then?

[fervent mica]

if you play hybrid, sure

[runic bramble]

i know just how broken it is. it’s an instant groupwide loh - and you are can keep your “main target lifebloom” up in the meantime

[cerulean stratus]

i still have rip and rake, but the build is kinda focused on caster

[fervent mica]

i'm back to cat but added a point into starfire for aoe

[runic bramble]

meme build implies there is never a reason to play it

[cerulean stratus]

i assume if i have this

[runic bramble]

but there is- cause some keys like MC are just not hard to heal

[cerulean stratus]

then no point going cat right

[oak garnet]

Yeah when kotg you just refresh bloom rg wg sm before you starsurge

To proc call

That way you're getting good photo value during your starfire spam

[cerulean stratus]

who r u talking with

[fervent mica]

just drop those 4 and put them in cat if you want better prio <_<

[cerulean stratus]

nah i hate melee

[runic bramble]

ye but who care, you won’t die to healing in a pit pull - just have some fun and dps

and you can easily meet the hps check on every boss while in the kotg build

[spring osprey]

what does the "meme build" drop to pick up DoC

[fervent mica]

healing

[quick jasper]

Is it possible to distinguish Thriving Growth in logs?

[fervent mica]

tv/nb/whatever else you're using. its all choice

[tough portal]

Everyone

Not just sotf

If you cycle the Regrowth hot through the party you can alternate Regrowth with instant 200% Starfires

[hard loom]

eww i only got refunded 1 voidcore although i spent 2

ah well, loot is loot

[pure vale]

I came across a vid saying Nature's Swiftness+Convoke combo no longer works -- is that true?

[grand herald]

afaik yes

[plain steeple]

Yep, it’s true.

[idle lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051767893878124635/1487366525433413653/w480-fps10-c80-dnone.gif

finally

[lilac basin]

hey guys, short question in case of m+. On which target should i place symbiotic relationship?

[pulsar kettle]

tank

[lilac basin]

always? or sometimes better on squishy mates?

[terse elbow]

Is the reason we don't take fluid forms in a boomkin-spell talent setup because of Lycara's Teachings?

[main timber]

Yeah but this is really not a big decision-point and you can take it if you want

[terse elbow]

is it less dmg with or without fluid forms?

[grand herald]

its losing 6% haste and 4% spell damage in trade for 10% spell damage

and a talent point used

[terse elbow]

Okay, sounds about right. Thanks for boiling it down

[tough portal]

It isnt really losing 4% spell damage

I mean

Taking both those talents together ofc is psychotic

[neat blaze]

has anyone experienced this issue of mouse over casting just not working at all for party frames?

[terse elbow]

I like Clique, personally. I have no problems with it whatsoever

It allows for you to use those same buttons for offensive spells too, which is nice

[neat blaze]

tried instlaling that and it didnt fix it :c

[lone jolt]

where can i see the DoC builds people are rocking rn

[hardy canopy]

i had this problem using clicked and i figured it was the addon not being compatible with danders

just fyi in case you're also using clicked

[neat blaze]

i am using dnaders

[terse elbow]

I think Danders might have some kind of mouseover casting module of its own that is probably interfering

i seem to remember Danders asking me which addon to use when i first loaded into it

[hardy canopy]

if you're using danders i recommend swapping to danders own click casting

[terse elbow]

so there's likely a conflict there

[neat blaze]

well i dont use click casting, i just hover my mouse over and press the button on my mmo mouse

[hardy canopy]

click casting is the name doesn't mean its only for cast on click

you can set up mouseover

[terse elbow]

You can also do it all via macros if you prefer that route

/cast [@mouseover, exists, noharm] Regrowth; [@mouseover, exists, harm][] Wrath

For example

[neat blaze]

nah i had it working last expac with no macros, i think its for sure a danders frame thing

just with this

[hardy canopy]

swap self cast to none

it might be the issue

[neat blaze]

tried that unfort :c

tried disabling it entirely bc maybe danders has something, tried installing clique.

[nova torrent]

with something like this, does mast/vers > haste / crit? or vice versa

[grand herald]

qelive

[nova torrent]

fff

thx

[faint lynx]

Does anyone know what vendor and currency the new bags use that can give you a random set piece of gear for transmog? I saw something about it the other day and now I can't find it or remember what it was called, but people were pissed it can apparently give a piece from any class set or something?

[polar lichen]

Triam Dawnsetter sells [Cache of Void-Touched {Weapon,Headgear,Shoulderwear,...}] for voidlight marl plus field accolades

[neat blaze]

figured it out

had to turn on a bartender setting for each bar

insane

[merry nexus]

the squishy aug

[merry nexus]

pally and dk tanks

[stone orbit]

Hi i did check in guardian too but wondering is there any better way to see bleed or shear armor stacks in WS as tank? My tank friend occasionally drop dead when he is not tracking these closely so just wondering if there is easier way to see/alert

[lilac basin]

so we dont place it on brewmasters?

[merry nexus]

u can put it where u think u need it most

[sacred wasp]

dont put it on a dk lol

it is purely your own healing that transfers, whether a tank self heals a ton or not is not part of the equation

[analog skiff]

Why are we not playing the double swiftmend build ?

[pulsar kettle]

you can

[thorn plover]

some are, some arent

[pulsar kettle]

guide just reccs vi

[brittle harbor]

anyone have the groove build?

[thorn plover]

its on wowhead

[analog skiff]

Well lot if guys dont and call it shit like Vick

[thorn plover]

lots like it, lots dont

[analog skiff]

Makes no sense to me for m+

[thorn plover]

its entirely personal preference

[pulsar kettle]

[analog skiff]

Why is the double swiftmend shit ? I like it more cuz you can switch lifebloom more for the apex burst healing (instead of extending hots on single target) and also more sotf procs can be created.

[pulsar kettle]

vickman is very headstrong in his opinions on how rdruid should be played.

[thorn plover]

its not shit quit listening to streamers

[analog skiff]

Thats why im here

Wanna hear some good info from ppl pushing high keys wowhead seems more oriented to the avg guy

[thorn plover]

both options have pros and cons, play both and decide what you like more

most high key logs run VI

[analog skiff]

I run double swift but want to hear why not double swift

[grand herald]

its a trade off either way

depends what you value more

[thorn plover]

i dont like spending 2 gcds every time i press SM

id rather save gcds

[analog skiff]

Whats the benefit for m+ i dont seem to understand

[thorn plover]

its simply a gcd save

[grand herald]

you dont have to recast all your maintanence hots on your lb target all the time

[pulsar kettle]

might be better to play both and decide for urself.

[sacred wasp]

^

[analog skiff]

Dmg is dynamic not on single target u can be more versatile with more procs of sotf and apex st burst

Well as i said i played both

still dont get it so here i am

[thorn plover]

sounds like your mind is made up

were telling you why

[analog skiff]

gcd sound rly cheap answer

idk

[thorn plover]

ok

thats the answer, its not that deep

if prosp was so much better the top keys would run it

[sacred wasp]

there's like no substantial reasoning between the two, most often its just vibes in high keys

[analog skiff]

?????

[analog skiff]

well that makes a lot more sense

[loud fiber]

I like 2x with the keeper cdr talent, otherwise as WS feels meh

[sacred wasp]

but... i basically said what everyone else said

[grand herald]

lol

[sacred wasp]

i am extra right

[analog skiff]

didnt said gcd

[thorn plover]

i literally already said this

[grand herald]

lol

[sacred wasp]

VI was also the playstyle going into midnight so if they're lazy they can just stick with it

which was the case with me

[analog skiff]

It was because talents were diff

And no apex

[sacred wasp]

yes, but the playstyle of VI extension was there

if you are used to extending wth VI then why change anythhing in that regard

[analog skiff]

y now you have 3 diff talents added

[sacred wasp]

if you can heal with VI then there's no reason to swap

u are not understanding what im getting at

slow down and read

[analog skiff]

i am reading unfortunately

[sacred wasp]

if you can heal perfectly fine with VI and prosperity but you were used to VI then you can just stay VI

[thorn plover]

ive tried both, both worked, i preferred VI

so i play VI

[analog skiff]

i can be used to healing with rej but now its different

in raida

[thorn plover]

you tried both, you liked prosp
so you play prosp

[sacred wasp]

what

[analog skiff]

if it was tha simple there would t be theorycrafting

[analog skiff]

Have u enter raid ?

[sacred wasp]

yes

[pulsar kettle]

how do we theorycraft vi vs prosp in an m+ enviroment.

[analog skiff]

Do you know how rdudu was used to be played in dragonflight and prev exp

[thorn plover]

what are you on about

[sacred wasp]

i dont even

[thorn plover]

if it was clearly one talent or the other

we'd play the btter one

[sacred wasp]

u know there was a whole expansion between df and now

[thorn plover]

they are very close in terms of value

so its a choice

there isnt a clear winner

spamming rejuv is clearly not the winner, so we dont do that

[analog skiff]

Exactly what im telling you. You cant compare a talent that was used prev exp without apex talent to the current situation

[sacred wasp]

except the playstyle is the same?

[thorn plover]

i think youre being purposely obstinant

[analog skiff]

Like what ?

[analog skiff]

No im just used to get good detailed explanation here

[thorn plover]

we gave you them

what are you looking for

[analog skiff]

u said gcd 😂

[sacred wasp]

i mean yeah you play around your apex in m+ thats a fair comparison but VI has stayed the same

[thorn plover]

ok if its not about saving gcds, what is it

please explain

im dying to know

[sacred wasp]

yeah im outta here it's all you purr

nanami.gif

[analog skiff]

Thats true but the apex benefit from the double swift more in my opinion thats why im asking why keep playing the extending seiftmend

[thorn plover]

key part of your statement

"in my opinion"

[inner lava]

i don't understand , they said the nod is very similar in value so they choose based on personal preferance and this person doesn't like spending additional gcds. whats wrong with that?

[thorn plover]

this is what we've been telling you the whole time

its an opinion talent

[analog skiff]

Im sure there is some good explanation about that but you cant tell me that. Thats all im saying

[stone orbit]

how does apex benefit more from double SM? just curious

[thorn plover]

ok buddy

[sacred wasp]

you can back to back proc everbloom for mechanics that warrant it

which is why I like prosperity!!!

but other people can heal the same mechanics that I do with VI

[stone orbit]

AH yes

[analog skiff]

U can move more the lifebloom and proc the sotf for prio st heal while in prev exp was keeping ine guy immortal with all hots and extendinng it

more sotf with double swiftmend more apex procs

[stone orbit]

yupp true

[analog skiff]

And y you have more gcd with 2 swftmends but substantially more healing bcs of those procs

Prefer to hear some expert opinion

[gentle nova]

Its the gcds you save

More gcds saved = more mastery uptime

More time to cast strong rgs

Instead of using 3 globals to refresh

That also translates into more healing btw

[analog skiff]

3

?

[gentle nova]

2 rejuvs 1 lb

[thorn plover]

plus the hots you consumed

[analog skiff]

But you consume one

and u can apply 3

[pulsar kettle]

[gentle nova]

Sure, thats another gcd

[thorn plover]

or i can consume 0, extend them, and still apply 3

[gentle nova]

Or cast 3 rgs

While you are refreshing 3 hots

[analog skiff]

You are right about those 3 but you can also save 3 from soft + rej

idk

[gentle nova]

You save 2 not 3

[thorn plover]

you consumed one to gain 3, you gained 2. meanwhile i gained 3, and saved 3 refreshes

[gentle nova]

And the added time you gain from the extra sorf rejuvs is less than what vi extends 2 rejuvs for each minite

Do the math

[analog skiff]

Fair

[gentle nova]

• lb seconds gained with vi you dont gain with prosp

[analog skiff]

Well that makes sense

thanks

[thorn plover]

[gentle nova]

You can argue its more everbloom healing sure but does it beat the healing you gain for not refreshing

Idk no one has done the math

[analog sentinel]

quick question: lifebloom is in its pandemic window, swiftmend is available, refresh via lifebloom cast and trigger a bloom or swiftmend

[gentle nova]

M+ players pick shit based off vibes most of the time

[gentle nova]

Sm

[rustic copper]

it depends on incoming dmg

[analog skiff]

I was wondering if someone did deep dive into that. Once ppl were doing those deep dives in prev expansions in this discord. Now its just full of flavor of the month guys.

[rustic copper]

you lb first if you care more about a gcd in the future than one right now

you sm first if you want healing immediately

[grand herald]

i would LB as long as any hots on the target wont drop off in the gcd, or if someone is gonna die

[slender gust]

Is there a guide/explanation out there somewhere that explains how to do good damage in M+? Not like, rotationally what damage buttons to press, but setting up your healing well to create a good, safe window to do damage? I feel like there's a million setup globals

Everyone on the interwebs and in my social circles seems to be talking about this Keeper+CotED build. Even Dorki made a video about it. Is it good or is it cope?

[grand herald]

cause there is no single solution to how to "setup"

you have to use your experience to know when/how much damage is coming

and how much prep you need to get through it

you also dont have to swap between dpsing and healing as a huge commitment

[thorn plover]

do it and let us know what you come up with

[grand herald]

if you have enough healing out, cast a starfire

then you can go right back to healing if needed

[rustic copper]

you can't do math for healers man

there are some very simple talents to evaluate

there are some that are actually impossible

[formal plaza]

IMO It’s fun. But unless you are an amazing player … it’s not very good past a 13 key

Apparently the starfire is causing too much damage (bug) that will likely be addressed soon?

[whole horizon]

its been bugged for weeks. hard to say if/when.

[formal plaza]

Wonder if this will encourage them to fix it?

[whole horizon]

we've had bugs that have been around for months/years randomly get fixed at weird times.

[formal plaza]

Fair enough

[thorn plover]

voulk sounded pretty confident it will get fixed soon ™

[whole horizon]

they just do whatever they want with little to no communication unless its a serious issue

[formal plaza]

lol

[whole horizon]

the only time they'll acknowledge a bug is if they know its gamebreaking and ppl raise a big enough stink, or when they already have a fix for it

[fickle garden]

how is everbloom procing over 1k times in a single fight

thats insane

[thorn plover]

thats divided by 6

[fickle garden]

thats still a lot @_@

[tough portal]

Every hot tick on your LB target has a 8% chance to bloom and you also bloom 3x per swiftmend cast

Hope it helps

[tribal thicket]

Do you guys have any tips of how i can increase my healing: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zRLBXDC7xq6fdWaj?fight=7&type=healing

[mental belfry]

swiftmend more then once per minute

[lament cipher]

Lifebloom uptime is also low

[fervent mica]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes

[tribal thicket]

thanks

[alpine dome]

Question, so i no targetting yourself in raid is best hps, is this also viable in 15+ keys?

[thorn plover]

yes

[alpine dome]

appreciate you

[ornate sinew]

Quick question, I saw on a youtube comment that casting Nature's Swiftness before Convoke increases the healing on the convoke's regrowths without consuming the Nature's Swiftness, is this true?

[thorn plover]

it used to, it doesnt anymore

it got "fixed" about 2 weeks ago

[fickle garden]

is crit better than vers for us

[fervent mica]

no

[ivory tusk]

is hopping into moonkin form for dmg outside of hotw in big packs worth? Or is the haste loss not worth it?

[fervent mica]

not worth

hotw isn't worth in owl either

either using it in cat for prio or as a defensive

[ivory tusk]

Even in big packs?

kk

[fervent mica]

while starfire is bugged, yeah

just smash it

[ivory tusk]

Bugged/

?

[fervent mica]

the splash damage is much higher than its supposed to be

[thorn plover]

pally tanks just really fall over for no reason eh

[fervent mica]

or they're unkillable

[oak condor]

from what I hear people say, it's now optimal to keep LB on yourself in raid, but is that also the case in M+?

[thorn plover]

sometimes

[fervent mica]

an option

[thorn plover]

why

perfectly fine option

[stray cipher]

Because sometimes you might need to put it on another target?

[thorn plover]

thats why i said sometimes

[tough portal]

If only we were lucky enough to hear your wisdom more often instead of telling people to go off into DMs like you have the secret sauce to rocket science mate

JB seems tto really like self LB

And he's timed 21s playing that way, don't you just love that type of reasoning?

[pulsar kettle]

[tough portal]

"Can we stop" without saying anything about why you would or wouldnt

Bro's allergic to reasoning into their stances

[stable iron]

What food do you guys use? No way am I spending 3.5k on 10 feasts to make one hearty per dungeon

[abstract tulip]

i like to lifebloom the evoker in the group but sometimes the tank is squishy

im eating royal roast. also once you eat 1 hearty feast, you can eat a regular feast to refresh the hearty buff

it didnt work on my regular food but it works on the feasts

[sacred wasp]

did they fuck up the scaling on NPX? Lothraxion's dot is doing fuckall damage now no?

[fervent mica]

royal roast

[fickle garden]

im not a resto druid pro, but wouldnt self LB feed a lot of healing into our little mini beacon person

symbiotic

thing

[tough portal]

Less than just putting LB on them

[fickle garden]

ah

[tough portal]

idk I mean sure it's whatever I dont have a horse in this race

[fickle garden]

I was self LBing in raid tonight i did at least feel immortal

[urban bone]

dm me for rotisserie secrets and other bbq recipes

[fickle garden]

i kinda want to main swap from hpal to resto druid

but we already have a resto druid

[stray cipher]

do it anyway and play better than the other druid

[fickle garden]

I think they may nerf the Druid apex a little maybe a bit too strong

[thorn plover]

nah its fine

[fickle garden]

But it feels nice to have power on Druid again

[formal fjord]

If you do all of that or you want us to look at your logs just post them here and we can help too 🙂

[formal fjord]

yeah i was wondering that because QE keeps prioritising crit over vers but i dont have a lot of vers tbh

[abstract tulip]

i have like equal crit and vers.. its like 8% crit and 7% vers.. lol

[thorn plover]

thats a lot of both

[tough portal]

It's almost annoying tbh I wish they'd nerf the effect and attach a small aura buff on each point put on it

[abstract tulip]

and i got 1% avoidance

i donno i got the gear i got

[fervent mica]

7% crit is like 90 rating /-:

[thorn plover]

thats 90 too much

🤣

[fervent mica]

catalyst boots + tier shoulders

and weapon oil... lol

[thorn plover]

ive got 0 except weapon oil

[tame talon]

you dont have 4set?

[thorn plover]

i have it but i dont use it

not pushing wg on cd, why do i need reduced cd on wg? rather have more haste mastery

[cosmic loom]

Any good resto druids playing mop classic wanna help me ?

😄

[fickle garden]

I could see them dropping it from 50% of the bloom to like 35-40% anymore then that would be terrible.

Or reducing targets affected by 1-2

[thorn plover]

reducing to 5 would be good

[fickle garden]

Ye prob the most balanced way to reduce its output without breaking it

[thorn plover]

or they can just leave it

thats fine too

[fickle garden]

I get nervous when classes I play get op

[thorn plover]

its really not that op

[fickle garden]

Idk Druids are absolutely blasting in raid rn

[thorn plover]

we are on par with disc

but with higher outliers

[fickle garden]

Yea but tbh the top 3/4 are still brokenly strong

The nerfs did nothing lol

[thorn plover]

hpal needs help

[fickle garden]

Don’t even get me started I’ve given up hope

I’m just gonna be miserable the rest of this patch

And pray something happens in 12.1 to fix it

[tough portal]

4 specs out of 6 cant be broken bro how does that work

Most of the field is on par

[fickle garden]

Is on par in the room with us

[fierce isle]

You dropped 4 set?

[thorn plover]

yeah a while ago

[tough portal]

[fickle garden]

Is this overall?

[tough portal]

Tbf I forgor about priest having 2 healing specs

But still

[fickle garden]

lol

[tough portal]

Do you disagree that the 4 specs at the top are fairly tuned?

I mean you're the one that made that point, 4 specs 'brokenly strong' at the top

How can the majority of the specs be broken?

That's just... the mean

[fickle garden]

I’m trying to figure out why yours has a closer gap than mine

[tough portal]

Thats just Beloren I was just linking random graphs mate

[stable iron]

Alright gamers I need person advice not just resto advice.

I'm in a mythic raid team, we're already 5/9m and progging really well. I already have Gaze on hero and a mythic Suffuser, and a myth Alnscorned Regret + crafted 1h. Should I just use my rolls on trying to get myth versions of pieces I have that are still behind? Our BIS rings or somethin? Don't want to hold my rerolls for a chance at a 13 ilvl upgrade on my Gaze that I'll inevitably get anyway

[thorn plover]

sounds like send in dungeon to me

[stable iron]

That's what it's sounding like to me, too. So the council agrees, I just sim my best upgrades and farm it on a 10 until god kisses my little forehead

[gentle nova]

We are balanced

[waxen ingot]

Mattiue what are out bis emb slots

wirst waist?

and we get m+ cloak wep

[gentle nova]

And we are good on meme fights like chim and paladins because how surprising druid is good at healing 10 players or at blasting self healing for the whole fight

[gentle nova]

I think so

Wrist waist

[bronze meadow]

so with the new apex changes, you don't want to swiftmend lifebloom target unless it can be bloomed?

[grand herald]

swiftmend wont bloom LB

you just dont care about the natty blooms

[bronze meadow]

oh interestin

[thorn plover]

photo and apex blooms are the only ones that matter, you still just SM your LB target all the time with max hots

[bronze meadow]

in high keys I feel like the burst from blooms is better then longer hots, right?

[thorn plover]

debatable, i play VI, most high keys are

can make an argument for both talents, it largely comes down to vibes

[bronze meadow]

I think I just don't fully know how to maximize heals in M+, I'm struggling with +17s, but I do great in raid.

Obviously raid is easier then M+ but still

[hardy canopy]

nah it's the other way around

its just that in keys you gotta be smart with your sotf usage

[abstract tulip]

so 14 seat should be doable you think? for me? i did a 13 skyreach

will my evoker be getting 1 shot in there? we had a few issues in the skyreach with him just dieing

[hardy canopy]

seat has a couple of tricky overlaps and last 2 bosses are heal checks

but yeah why not

you gotta practice

[proven phoenix]

no it should be fine

evokers have 2 wall charges and zeyphyr they dont die easy if they're aware of damage

[hardy canopy]

time dilation as well

fotm evokers and druids are the worst in lfg rn

[abstract tulip]

well i got mage lock and aug evoker should be good combo of dps

im just nervous haha

[thorn plover]

mage squish

evoker squish

[abstract tulip]

but the mage is 281 ilvl so i figured they would be less squishy?

[thorn plover]

if you look at a mage wrong they die

[proven phoenix]

time dilation is pres external

[fluid coral]

is it still worth it to craft weapon or should i wait and craft everything else?

[proven phoenix]

I assume they're talking about aug

[thorn plover]

tough choice at this point in the season

you can bonus roll one from nexus or skyreach, but it could be weeks technically

[limpid jacinth]

mage squishier

[fluid coral]

i'm taking this season slow, so waiting isn't too bad for me especially if its better in the long run

[limpid jacinth]

honestly, the only thing that I find squishier than a mage is a spriest

[thorn plover]

i havent played with a single sp in keys this season yet

[limpid jacinth]

and blood DKs

[thorn plover]

i dont mind blood dks at all

[tough portal]

In the spirit of taking the season slow, are you caught up in the Voidforge progress with the bonus rolls?

[limpid jacinth]

I just had two today, one that flopped at everything in a 19 MC and one that was good in my 19 MGT

[fluid coral]

no lol, probably finish it sometime next week

[tough portal]

You really should speed that up and get this week's coins

If you can

Just afk some LFRs at it or something

But yeah idk tough call, I would probably not craft a weapon on a fresh toon rn

[limpid jacinth]

speed run some 10s probably less rage-inducing

[snow vapor]

have they confirmed in any way that it won't roll over to next week in the same way crests do? says season cap x/2 so i'd imagine next week it'd just go to x/4

[abstract tulip]

7 mins on last boss

wish em luck

horray we did it!

did my 1st 14 key and i think ill stick with 12's and 13's

[urban bone]

I’m hoping for a lucky gaze in my vault so I can just start dumping the orbs into nexus 🙏

Did chimer this week and the bonus roll gave me the chest tier token

[abstract tulip]

rip i am also hoping the same

i got a belt from my chim bonus roll

[limpid jacinth]

Congrats!

[tame talon]

Is a dream of cenarius build viable after the spell buffs?

m+ specifically

[weary void]

I used to be able to see with direct API on dandersframes who's targetted by Boss Debuffs in maisara 1st boss (barrage), now I only see it when its on me. Is this a setting issue after 0.5 or did blizz break it?

[vapid spade]

im leveling a druid just to try it out it looks fun

[frozen prairie]

it says in addon. They changed. You can't track Blizzard API only direct.

annoying af

[sacred wasp]

back to back posts about this meme build on /r/wow 😂

[bright swift]

Link?

[sacred wasp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1svyfo5/restoration_druid_now_has_a_damagetohealing_build/

thats not a meme

cmon man

[sacred wasp]

targetedspells addon still has the functionality, im not quite sure why danders said they couldnt do it anymore with the api changes bc xeph still can

[tough portal]

"It's not enough to go full disc priest" meanwhile disc just heals and shields

They alienated people that played disc for atonement style healing and are hellbent on making resto druid a smite-turret equivalent

Crazy

I dont get the vision

[half timber]

Do we actually Keepers instead of Wildstalker now? On raider io I saw quite alot of top druids going keepers

in M+*

[frozen prairie]

they are doing 20 keys with this built ? damn bro

prepare helmets

DOC at the top

this is getting nerfed next reset

[rustic coyote]

The build itself is not bad, but it looks way more punishing out of DoC if the group fails badly at interrupting stuff or In a pug

[sacred wasp]

buff cat and fix the bug and im happy honestly

[rustic coyote]

Agree, I prefer way more cat weaving

[half timber]

yea catweaving is alot more comfortable ngl

[frozen prairie]

286 starfire casts in 28 min. That's like 10 casts per min. That's nutty.

to be able to heal 20 just with starfire basically

[versed stone]

nah it's not "just starfire"

[stable hawk]

the "not enough to go full disc priest" thing is hilarious because m+ disc is being forced to go full "healing healer" after .5

[frozen prairie]

ok regrowth and LB. Barely casting rejuvs. Here and there i see some WG

at least on this log

[knotty goblet]

It referes to the classic idea of disc priest play, but it's a good point 🙂

[versed stone]

well ye coz you can't use reju on sotf, you need to spend most if not all on regro to abuse the bug

[frozen prairie]

wait what is bugged?

[half timber]

Priests are having a hard time even getting invited into keys, from what Ive seen

[sacred wasp]

2x bugs at play here

[versed stone]

you get insta starfire after 1 regro cast using nb

any1 that thinks this build is fun to play though, needs to see a head doctor urgently

[frozen prairie]

oh gotcha. Wanted to try this. But no thanks.

[versed stone]

if doc picks a 95% hp target a few times in a pull you basically just brick a key go next

such wow much fun

[stable hawk]

yeah of course, it's just funny that dungeon disc nowadays had the whole dps healer identity gutted and now they're actually just the big shield healer from pre-atonement days

[sacred wasp]

and that insta starfire is bassboosted

[dense lantern]

resto druid was a mistake

[knotty goblet]

From what I see you don't play NB or regrowth that much with DoC. Setup hots, go into elder druid and chicken disco for days

[stable hawk]

now my choices for first midnight healer are mw, the new homecooked rdruid that might get nerfed in 2 weeks, or i can take disc and have fun in raid and nowhere else

[bright swift]

Druid is fun in raid

[half timber]

catweaving is more chill, casting the spells is kinda clunky tho but thats just my opinion lol

but im still curious why some ppl go Keepers instead of Wildstalker in keys tho

is it more healing?

[sacred wasp]

if you're playing into starfire spamming then you go keeper for more sf damage

[knotty goblet]

It's more damage, and plays into moonkin abilities

[tough portal]

Power of the Archdruid also gives an instant proc on Blooming Infusion
In Call buff it isnt important/benefitial but outside of Call, this can be between 25 and 80% DPS gain to Starfire abusing NB+Rampant Growth

[stable hawk]

does the funny doc keeper build still work in raid if you want to pump damage?

[bright swift]

I will be blocking you

[sacred wasp]

you're gonna give people an aneurysm askikng that

[fervent mica]

not at all <_<

[stable hawk]

:(

[marsh prism]

I will be streaming bird in an hour

thoughts and prayers

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-parrott-bird-crazy-bird-funny-bird-gif-17817848345755955439

[knotty goblet]

It's a bit of a lame duck outside Elderdruid. I'm not sure I understand the interaction for these talents outside window

But what your saying is NB multiplies regrowth and counts for blooming infusion = insta starfire?

[sacred wasp]

yep

[knotty goblet]

So you want to use SoTF on regrowth to funnel into more insta starfires

[versed stone]

yea and pray doc heals the lowest hp target since it's not a smart heal

[sacred wasp]

yes

[knotty goblet]

Hm, I usually try to sit on SoTF to use it as healbomb for gigarejuvs

Since I've understood they are much more powerful than regrowths.

[fervent mica]

regrowth heals for more up front, rejuv lasts longer

[sacred wasp]

yes, the build encourages pretty dangerous plays in keys because you throw away your setup and if you're unprepared for damage you are relatively cooked

[versed stone]

it's especilally tricky coz it also enables dps ape brain mode

so you start greeding for damage

:)

[knotty goblet]

I think this is the big trap yes

[sacred wasp]

it's like when sck was usable in TWW for mistweavers for healing but people didn't recommend you sck'd because it threw away all your preparation for actual mechanics to heal

[young oxide]

Hey guys quick question, new to resto. would i go cat form to help dps or boomy?

[knotty goblet]

You can keep Wildgrowth up 90% on group tho with weaving, with KOTG it's 7 sec cd

[sacred wasp]

that is not a compelling argument for being prepared

[knotty goblet]

It's a lot about weaving damage and healing

[sacred wasp]

right..

[tough portal]

I wouldnt say this

SOTF perma on Rejuv in raid is not because it just heals much more than Regrowth
It's because Rejuv uptime has premium value
SOTF on Regrowth is obviously a much better spotheal use of it in a lot of situations in M+

[tough portal]

#resto message
You can see 4 interactions at play here, I would call all of these bugs

1. SOTF+POTA Regrowth generates a Blooming Infusion proc instantly.
2. If you already have a Blooming Infusion proc and you cast a Regrowth that will give you another one, you can spell queue the instant Starfire (or Wrath) and spend the old proc while still gaining a new proc.
3. The unbuffed Regrowth giving another proc after just 1 cast via having Regrowth on the whole party + Nature's Bounty + Rampant Growth (only NB isn't enough, it's tied to RG too).
4. Buffing 2 Starfires with the same Blooming Infusion proc through spell queueing off of the Regrowth cast, this starts a hard cast Starfire and you can spell queue another one that will be considered instant since you have BI proc up. Both get buffed by 100%.

[knotty goblet]

Huh, this sounds like cheating 😄

Well summarised 👍

[tough portal]

Some of this stuff naturally loses value (isnt a DPS gain) during Call cuz of the reduced cast time in that window
And nobody plays a full dungeon making use of these interactions all the time, but everybody gets some DPS from it to an extent.

[hazy cliff]

anyone got any tips for paladins prog? got to compete with 2 mistweavers so i feel like i need to do something to have an impact at all while i'm on trial

[fervent mica]

druid pumps on paladins

keep your stuff rolling

[hazy cliff]

hoping i can after working on a bunch of stuff, but the healing officer dming me saying they needed me to pump big hps for it made me nervous

[spark river]

I think youre viewing the trial the wrong way

[frozen prairie]

they should just ban all those who abuse those bugs. Perma.

[spark river]

Could you send the log? Maybe you re making some obvious mistake?

[neat lintel]

Neither, you stay humanoid form and use boomkin spells (wrath starsurge starfire)

[tough portal]

These interactions have behaved this way via one talent or another since 2024 and for the most part just happen through normal play, banning people for it is insane, what about just fucking fixing it?

[lusty delta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTiQy4yTWgE

[spark river]

God i hate clickbait

[tough portal]

Paid actors

[frozen prairie]

Bro if you intentionally abusing bug to gain advantage that is for some sort of suspension. No questions asked. Tones of stuff needs to be fixed. It's not just this.

[tough portal]

What bugs count for this?

[sacred wasp]

had this linked to me like 4 times already today im gonna timelost saddle 😂

[tough portal]

Cuz with this black and white stance you're gonna be looking at banning 100% of the playerbase of like 10 different specs at one point or another

[lusty delta]

hahha

[plain steeple]

You can’t get around using those if you just press starfire.
They just buffed it - so they have to expect everyone to use the spell, even if most players are not aware a bug exists.

If a spell like natures swiftness was bugged, shall you ban all players that have used it (let’s say in the past 5 years)?

And if we report the bug for months and they don’t fix it, it’s w/e.

[granite vigil]

Are we actually changing talents this patch for raid or M+?

[deft drum]

Yea let’s ban every single shadow priest who pressed mind blast this week

[frozen prairie]

Yeah i am not debating about abusing bugs. If you want abuse it, i won't. Because this is clear as day something you notice if its bugged or not.

[spark river]

A bug is a different from an exploit

[frozen prairie]

exploit is intentionally abusing bug. But ok

[sacred wasp]

any minicc users know if any defensives fall through the cracks with this addon? i take it cant track racials

[deft drum]

Take these frustrations to blizz not us 🤷🏻

[frozen prairie]

I am not frustrated at all. I guess you are because you clearly abusing bug like lil noob

[deft drum]

U sound pretty frustrated with the name calling but idk

[thorn whale]

You good fam?

[frozen prairie]

Just tired of abusers. Intentionally abusing bug and saying like oh i did not know when clearly they know and keep doing it

[wary belfry]

Ban all starfire casters immediately

[half timber]

What´s bugged exactly?

[fervent mica]

starfire. lol

[deft drum]

A literally step by step explanation of said “bug” was posted and stated this has been a thing for 2yrs so who is claiming they didn’t know?

[half timber]

dealing too much damage?

[plain steeple]

99% of all players surely have no idea that it is bugged anyways.

Likely most of all high key players aren’t aware either.

Or atleast weren’t in the first place.

[tough portal]

I am not frustrated at all. I guess you are because you clearly abusing bug like lil noob

[plain steeple]

[hazy cliff]

don't have any logs of it yet, got the first pulls on monday, was just thinking there might be some tricks i could pull with the changes to apex that i might not have thought to do

[fervent mica]

just keep lb on yourself along with rej/rej as close to 100% uptime as you can. and sm on cd

[half timber]

lets just meme about anyone who casts starfire /j

[mystic crater]

Buff cat

[tough portal]

Blizzard also bandaided this back in early TWW because Blooming Infusion was idk bursting too much for their liking in PVP. It's just that every new iteration of a talent that replicates Regrowth in some way brings it back.

[half timber]

yes

[tough portal]

And well, every Starfire casted is bug abuse

[mystic crater]

Shadow priests also got a big “buff” from a bug recently, oopsies

[tough portal]

Starfire states that it cleaves for 35% of main target damage, that's the value in spell data
But at some point in beta they buffed Boomie Starfire to cleave 70% and it's scripted server-side, the change affected every spec's Starfire even tho it's a different spell ID.

[deft drum]

That fight is kinda strict movement and grouping so as long as ur playing with LB on urself and keeping ur hots up like normal, the heals be healin

[tough portal]

Every Starfire that hits more 1 target is bug abuse cleaving 2x as much as intended

Ban them all fr

[mystic crater]

The sucky thing is that there’s just a massive amount of bugs recently, both positive and negative impacting, and a lot of them you just experience by playing the game more or less normally

Holy paladins kinda have to relog after entering instances to prevent a pretty annoying bug right now too

Good times

[hazy cliff]

@fervent mica @deft drum should i stick with self lb even for the absorbs? got disc/rsham/mw team, so not sure if that's the kind of thing they're more suited to nuke

[marsh prism]

BIRD LIVE

www.nance.gov

[deft drum]

R u one of the ppl assigned to take the heal absorb? Personally, I am so i still have it on myself and I don’t even have to think about the absorb my hots and blooms heal thru right away

[livid hearth]

I play mage and i got told i should reach renown 7 and get the voidstorm trinket. my friend plays resto druid, is that trinekt for resto too or is it only dps trinket?

[fervent mica]

rdruid should always be assigned to absorbs...

[thorn whale]

Have fun

[half timber]

Crucible trinket? I mean you are going to replace it by the raid trinkets / perhaps with Heart of Wind anyway

[marsh prism]

i try

[livid hearth]

yeah i dont have any raid trinket on my mage thats why i got told so

we both the same my resto druid friend and me

[fervent mica]

with the ws raid build you have 24% increased healing taken. absolutely massive

[hazy cliff]

don't think it's been said yet, but i figured i'd rather be prepared whether i am or not so i won't have to put as much brainpower into it while getting used to the fight

[half timber]

i see

then go for crucible for now, and try to get a raid trinket

HC raids are puggable nowadays too, even tho it will be a bit of a challenge

[hazy cliff]

ooo now i think about it you're right, i remember reading that heals take the absorbs, so i'd assume that'll be the plan for us, even if it hasn't been specifically said yet

[deft drum]

You should def volunteer/demand u be one of the heal absorbs lol. You take hela increased healing as WS and u will cleave heals to the other absorbs near you, disc priest should NOT be doing it, mw is good for them but with the new changes Rdruid is much better for it

[fervent mica]

yeah... rdruid is extremely good at it on top of the extra healing taken. between apex with photo procs and nature's bounty... you go off

[half timber]

rdruid is also good in pug keys

even tho sometimes its stressful

[livid hearth]

we joined a mythic raiding guild where they run social runs. The social group is progging heroic alleria so my friend cant get the alleria heroic drops yet

[fervent mica]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/121880955379122176/1497719745116377222/image.png?ex=69ef3475&is=69ede2f5&hm=86ba927c9cec16f3c2852d7efc336ca075b45d370ec0ebe07720c9550a578146&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1509&height=251

those were the absorb healing on my kill

[hazy cliff]

[deft drum]

You won’t even have to think about the absorbs just heals up thru ur natural gameplay. Ur biggest concern will be eating a shield but u just adjust ur camera angle and its not a problem

[hazy cliff]

can guarantee i'll take a couple shields to the face first few pulls xD

[fervent mica]

everybody does. fight is entirely on healers to pump and positioning from raid and the tanks

[hazy cliff]

i mean i managed to accidentally click a lock gate out of the middle on dragons right as the adds spawned, so i'm sure expectations are high xD

@deft drum @fervent mica tyvm for the help both of you, appreciate it

[cerulean stratus]

is boomie form just for the points

or do i need to be in it before i spam starfire

[fervent mica]

pathing node

[dense lantern]

if you're not taking call then just points

[quartz maple]

The lb yourself in keys expects that most casts of sm go to yourself as well, right? Is there an addon that will ping you like hottracker to tell you when sm comes off cd?

[marsh prism]

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Bluesky · Sep 3, 2025, 12:34 AM

[lament river]

Is it worth to craft a item next week ore upgrade gear for crest?

[hearty coral]

Hazmattiu

Face uses fr a lot I think

[marsh prism]

im the gruntler

[hearty coral]

I was gonna put you or liz on the positivity one lol

[teal jungle]

The default CDM can play a sound when swiftmend goes off cooldown

[spark river]

We dont lb ourselves in keys

[kindred lynx]

Gaze 298 or weapon 298?

[balmy spire]

For sure weap

[quartz maple]

And yet some of the highest keys are being done by those who don't LB anyone else...

[spark river]

Some being the keyword there

[plain steeple]

My tanks would die on each +12 without lifebloom.

[whole horizon]

there's more than one way to skin a cat

[plain steeple]

Did you know that the deathzone of cats falling out of a skyscraper is between the 8th and 16th floor?

[spark river]

Dont let the ferals see this information

[quartz maple]

Your definitive reply that we don't lb ourselves in keys isn't quite accurate. I am asking - in the methodology where people who are being enormously successful in 21s only LBing themselves, are they burning SM quickly on themselves or spreading the love?

[teal jungle]

Isnt LBing yourself a decent way to heal rot? ofcourse you switch if someone needs more attention

[peak niche]

sorry if redudant but when it comes to raid healing, should i just be extending LB via swiftmend on CD or trying to refresh LB (either via manual recast or swiftmend) just before it expire to take advantage of the bloom?

[thorn whale]

Extend with VI

[spark river]

Extend as much as possible

[spark river]

You should always be extending the person with lb. There are enormously succesful people playing doc and keeper in keys also, so this line of thinking isnt really the best.

[quartz maple]

So to make sure I understand, there are people being very successful with certain strategies. To try to understand what they are doing and why that works and how that interacts with the mechanics of our class isn't a good line of thinking? Gotcha.

[tidal lynx]

Which weakauras do you guys use

[cerulean stratus]

why dont u ask

the people doing those keys

directly why they are doing x

[marsh prism]

xoxo

oh

i thought you meant x like xoxo

ROFL

ok

bro bird is so fun

[thorn whale]

Think birdie is a decent boss

Not so fun to heal tho

[marsh prism]

i think so

[naive dawn]

Is it still worth macroing NS to convoke or does that interaction not work anymore?

[marsh prism]

not work

ty for reminding me to change macro

[naive dawn]

Thanks!

[thorn whale]

Maybe it’s a me issue

[half timber]

Got blessed by by bonus roll 🙏🏻

[cerulean stratus]

specially when u tank

:O

[thorn whale]

So many tank fights this tier it’s crazy

[spark river]

You seem smart enough to figure that out for yourself in logs.

[marsh prism]

they are going apeshit

[cerulean stratus]

u should play guardian

im bear jail

cause we dont have one

[marsh prism]

our brew bears in an na weekend guild

so we get her brew

they get her bear

she da goat

we?

[marsh prism]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-baby-bear-bear-cub-cub-worried-bear-gif-3871404305283279898

[quartz maple]

No one suggested anything of the sort, but fine, I'll bite. I am trying to better understand the nuances of resto druid. One of the arguably better m+ resto druids in the world for the last decade that doesn't play gimmicky trends has decided this is a worthy strategy to pursue. I am not looking to find a quick win and a new way to play. I am working to understand why this works for him. It creates an opportunity for me to learn about the interactions of the various talents and gameplay methodologies, which will in turn improve my play through that understanding. If you don't know why it it is working, don't need to say anything. If you do, then answering the question is better than blasting me for asking a question on a discord designed to impart wisdom from players that are in the know to players that want to learn.

[marsh prism]

ok but you started off asking with the suggestion that it's commonplace

[quartz maple]

This was my question: The lb yourself in keys expects that most casts of sm go to yourself as well, right?

How is that suggesting it is commonplace?

[marsh prism]

?

[quartz maple]

That was in response to the person who said "We do not lb ourselves in keys". That's a definitive point of view that is wrong since there are times when you do, and the #3 player in NA does exclusively.

[elder remnant]

There’s a massive assumption this place is designed to impart wisdom from players .. just ask a doc question lol

[marsh prism]

look at what they do on logs and ask them directly about their logic in doing so

generally you extend the lb yes

[marsh prism]

its fuucking over

im breaking my keyboard

yessss

dude its actyually so fun what is everyone talking about

[grizzled seal]

Did you reach second p1 yet

[marsh prism]

yesssss

[grizzled seal]

How many times

[marsh prism]

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr im not sure im a little tipsy

also i dont think the log is right?

cuz i feel like it was def more than twice

[limpid jacinth]

ITS TOO CUTEEEEE

[grizzled seal]

Yeah the bad part is all the second p1 shit

We've seen the last egg maybe 3 times total

I know guilds that killed it with one second egg pull

[dense lantern]

im finally gearing up my druid

and its insane the amount of times tanks in keys thank me for the healing while im literally just afk watching a yt video

[oak garnet]

Welcome to druid

[dense lantern]

no i think it's that people that do low keys are slightly handless

[solid hemlock]

ugh, starting an alt midway and working through low keys is brutal

[dense lantern]

idk I just put a yt video

zero thoughts head empty

[solid hemlock]

better than eating glue

[marsh prism]

wait have you not killed

oh

the implication that you killed while only seeing it 3 times i see

[marsh prism]

it is a bit hectic but i actually like it

i feel capable

[vestal lotus]

goodmorning fellow druids

[thorn whale]

We had 6 p2 (2) pulls without killing it. Two sub 250k hp pulls

[vestal lotus]

warcraft logs has restodruid kicking some butt on hps this week

[thorn whale]

Right after DK being bugged and windwalker catching a fat nerf

[marsh prism]

do u. have a ww

we havent gotten into second egg yet

maybe tuesday

@grizzled seal ty for comment i just ended stream but saw it

whose

[cerulean stratus]

beloren testing our guild's mental

[marsh prism]

rare hypothesis w

[cerulean stratus]

girl

[marsh prism]

:3

[grizzled seal]

I hated beloren prog

Probably the worst boss of the tier

[marsh prism]

common nance oddball opinion

i have fun

[bright swift]

I didn't mind it

[marsh prism]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2757534350

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992118472907698269/1480237673519255612/3Bo7PCF.gif

[candid parcel]

wildstalker raid, LB on urself aswell as swiftmend?

[sudden rover]

anyone finding a way to make the "situations" tmog work?

it's not doing shit for me when I switch spec, weird

[soft dagger]

first time rading mythic. So we take WS and Convoke? Not WS with ToL?

[cedar mural]

for the people enjoying boomkin aspect with keeper in m+, do u like ever hop into moonkin form or do you just have the talent because of sunfire?

[bright swift]

😮

lucky finally

[static shuttle]

Nope. Its glitched for me too

[sudden rover]

I figured it out bro

[vocal wagon]

Hi pals! Could you explain me please. when i'm using convoke in cat form, WITHOUT learned Rake and HOTW - i could randomly cast Rake, but can't Hotw. It's how it work, and everything correct?

[static shuttle]

tell me the way

[quiet wyvern]

it only casts allowed spells

doesn't matter what you know

[vocal wagon]

there are no rake in spellbook, it's not learned but its casted - i test it 30s ago

[quiet wyvern]

please reread

[sudden rover]

so if you see a weird glow like on my screen, right click on it. because atm on my screen the set is "locked" meaning it can only be that set applied. right click then it will adapt based on whatever situations you decide

[cedar mural]

with the exception of removed/changed spells/talents.

[vocal wagon]

Then what means "allowed"? Why hotw are not allowed?

[quiet wyvern]

because it's not in the list of spells that convoke can cast

[limpid prawn]

I don’t think convoke can cast tigers fury even as feral

[cedar mural]

it's yoinked from wowhead, might have been changed

point is, it has a preset amount of abilities it can cast and hotw is not one of them

[limpid prawn]

Isn’t it more feral frenzy that gets cast in cat form not hotw

[vocal wagon]

feral frenzy not in list, but it's casted

[vocal wagon]

I mean, hotw in cat form its feral frenzy, it's casted when its learned, but rake casted in any way - learned or not, not matter

[quiet wyvern]

it's outdated info

[vocal wagon]

I'm ok with that, but it's look like unexpected behaviour

[quiet wyvern]

FF is an exceptional spell

[limpid prawn]

It’s not always casted though, there’s a chance you don’t get an exceptional spell

[vocal wagon]

yep

[quiet wyvern]

it's a pair of 2 cards

base chance is 85%

[limpid prawn]

Not sure what happens now but we used to as resto in human form get a flourish proc

[cedar mural]

some guy mentioned it in comment section, it indeed casts feral frenzy, but not hotw on it's own.

[urban kestrel]

convoke should teleport me to dreamgrove on a 1% chance and wipe my raid

[cedar mural]

convoke could also have 1% chance of me getting the damn owl from fyrakk

[vocal wagon]

Thx for making it clear

[limpid prawn]

So assuming it still works this way, the first convoke will have a 50/50 chance of casting your exceptional spell, if it didn’t on your first it’s guaranteed on your second. Then your 3rd goes back to 50/50 and if it didn’t, your 4th wouldn’t

[quiet wyvern]

no

first cast it's 85%

if it was casted, next cast never triggers it

if it didn't, the second cast has 85%

that is a 2 card deck

this repeats for the next 2 spells and so on

[onyx trail]

peak

[limpid prawn]

So there is a chance it doesn’t cast on 20th and 2nd?

Err 1st and 2nd

[candid parcel]

wildstalker raid, LB on urself aswell as swiftmend?

[urban kestrel]

for the most part yeah,

[stable bane]

hiii friends quick question. Sorry if it has been asked before. Are there any addons I can use to track Call of the Elder Druid's internal CD? I can track the buff itself on CDM and whatnot, but can't track how long till I can use it again...

[urban kestrel]

it just leaves a debuff on you that tracks it if you wanna move your debuff bar or make a WA for it

[waxen ingot]

What is our exceptional spell now

only wg ye?

is sw exceptional

it is ig

[urban kestrel]

1 tick of tranq complete with 1 application of flourish

[vivid owl]

Wait, so theres another build with keeper of the grove and DoC now too? For m+

Ive only ever used wildstalker in m+ so what's the pros and negatives?

[waxen ingot]

WS is more healign overall

Keeper is more dmg and i guess more controlled but lower hps due to cds

but both r competitive

[urban kestrel]

keeper just gives a slight boost to starfire and a bunch of free moonfires and also you get protective growth vs regrowth bonus+natures bounty

[fleet jewel]

Lexa pfp swap...

[waxen ingot]

My m+ tank quit the game and unistalled it

cause i got gaze and not him

"No shot we give trinket to healer and not tank"

so i had to pfp swap

[vivid owl]

Alright, well im not pushing yet, so I assume it doesnt matter below 16

[fleet jewel]

[marble brook]

Whats the playstyle for kotg? just spam starfire and starsurge?

ive only just played kitty too hehe

[waxen ingot]

same

[urban kestrel]

pretty much, no need to dot really when your healing spells make trees that moonfire for you

[sudden rover]

any tips to increase max camera distance pls? leatrix does nothing

[marble brook]

do i ever go into moonkin or just in caster form?

[urban kestrel]

the trees alone are like a passive 10k dps after the buff

[thorn whale]

Yes we doooo

[urban kestrel]

caster form is 6% haste (and maybe 4% spell dmg depending on talents) and boomy is mastery and 10% dmg, so not a big deal, so not necessary for dps

but I like fluid form anyways when every key has a bunch of crap to shift off anyways

and id rather get a shift and a starfire than just a shift

[marble brook]

ah i see..

[ebon obsidian]

is it a waste to lifebloom a DK tank in m+

[lapis osprey]

I cant remember, in normal dreamrift, not heroic or mythic, you still need to alternate the groups that go into Aln right? Jumped into a normal and its been a minute since i did it, or does it not matter alternating in normal? i cant recall

[terse hinge]

anyone knows a lightweight setup to show text "Lifebloom" on party/raid frames when lifebloom is expiring inside the refresh window?

[supple seal]

Lifebloom alert. Just customize the options you want to use and turn those you don’t

[thorn plover]

If you want it on the frames, you can use danders or grid

Or weakaura

[faint lynx]

Bro I've ran npx 33 times and haven't seen that ring. I've gotten the crit one 3 times

[bright swift]

ok but this is a bonus roll

and I got the staff on my second coin

[marble brook]

Ok i just played my first new build and i did 50k dps xD

ngl though when cote is not up healing is bad though haha

[cursive pilot]

wonder how many keys have been doomed with the video and reddit post

[sly pivot]

they fixed bonus rolls yea?

[thorn plover]

yea

[lapis coyote]

Allegedly (yes)

[livid hearth]

Is top restodruid still running catweaving?

[thorn plover]

for boss damage you should

[pulsar kettle]

cat still more prio

[urban kestrel]

I just threw bonus roll at mythic paladins, it was a 100% chance at a 3/6 upgrade for me and idk that just seemed to good to pass up

[livid hearth]

Should i continue catweaveing then even if ive heard everyone around here say casting is better now and stuff?

[thorn plover]

you should do both

[urban kestrel]

just try both and do what you think is working better

[weary moss]

Not gunna lie. Caster damage has felt clunky.

[thorn plover]

standing still casting for 2s sucks

[pulsar kettle]

i announce every starfire cast in my group

they love it

[livid hearth]

ok found a caster druid build but without starsurge talented (im guessing them taking circle of the heavens means they are caster not catweaver?)

Do they do caster dps resto without starsurge? I remember rotation guide here saying use starsurge off cd

[main timber]

Are you max level yet?

[livid hearth]

nope, still doing research's xD because my friend was busy this weekend and my computer broke yesterday and spent entire yesterday repairing it

[main timber]

They are probably using Cat abilities in single target which means Starsurge isn't necessary

[livid hearth]

so i thought i would lvl it to max now but i dont need to because my friend is same lvl too

[main timber]

But you will have noticed that because of tuning the optimal way to play has already changed multiple times while you levelled

It might do so again before you are able to use any of this information

[livid hearth]

where do i find the most updated information often? Just reading updated info here probably?

[main timber]

Reading here is very good yeah

Guide updates usually follow quite closely but you will see a lot of experimentation in logs too and it won't always be a good idea / make it to the general pop

[sly pivot]

what is the addon people are using to track defensives? anyone know?

[grave notch]

PetesDefensiveHistory

[livid hearth]

oh i see. I used to check archon only but saw that it didnt match raider io top runners builds. So i tried copying them then someone here said check warcraflogs and logs only, thats best way, raider.io builds are scuffed

[main timber]

Raider.io grabs whatever they logged out in. Sometimes that is the build they played in the key, sometimes it isn't

It is usually good, but you need to have the awareness to know when you are looking at a raid build instead for example

[livid hearth]

I see. Then ill try to lurk here often xD

[main timber]

If you are looking on WCL and they logged the run then that's a guarantee that's what they started the key with

[cursive pilot]

use the search bar often too

lotta people just dont or ask a question that's one scroll up

[main timber]

Generally conversations repeat a lot so if you miss one you will usually see it again

[livid hearth]

yeah so i checked the top druid and they had the talent tree i took screenshot where he had circle of heavens. So he uses tiger on singletarget/boss even if he is talented to deal more dmg with spells?

[main timber]

Yeah probably

Obviously I can only guess since I'm not looking at the log or the key

[livid hearth]

Am i asking too much if i link u the log?

Its ok if ur busy

[main timber]

You can definitely link in the channel, I should get some work done though

[livid hearth]

i see

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/96587952?mode=detailed&zone=47&metric=playerscore

[main timber]

If you use the filters on the top to select a boss you can check damage breakdown

[livid hearth]

idk if im linking the right link

[main timber]

Nah you will need to link a dungeon they did

[livid hearth]

ok ill try to find

[scarlet epoch]

Does nature's swiftness still work on convoke or have they fixed it? I found a lot of conflicting information on the topic.

[pulsar kettle]

its been fixed.

[scarlet epoch]

Gotcha, thanks

[cunning fossil]

Which combat potion is the better?

[spark river]

Reck and light are both used

[livid hearth]

Ok ur right, however they are casting moonfires too, i thought rotation would be starfire and sunfire for aoe and tigerform spells in single target only

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/32cT87jmdP1bgktv?fight=6&type=casts&source=6

[spark river]

Moonfire is from treants

No one is hardcasting moonfire

[livid hearth]

Ah ok, so it is shown in casts section on logs too even if u didnt click it manually?

its the casts section not damage done section

im not used to reading logs

[main timber]

Nah I think they did cast it

I am not really sure why though. This stuff doesn't tend to ultimately matter that much

[plain steeple]

Boomy hotw for starfall

[haughty swan]

Someone said this is the best M+ talent build now ? Idk , I need opinions

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/restoration

[cursive pilot]

empty

[thorn plover]

Just take the wowhead build

And if you want to try things, try them

[spark river]

Bold

Lets see how it plays out

[teal jungle]

When I go into catform to HOTW i often have 5 stacks, is it worth it to bite, hotw, bite or is that just a waste of gcds?

[hardy junco]

is tree of life better on paladins than convoke?

[lyric surge]

th elog linked has them in wildstalker, so the moonfire is definitely hard casted

[spark river]

Yeah but thats weird

It does close to nothing

[lyric surge]

They also have liveliness so I would think that makes casting moonfire worth

but idk

[spark river]

Everyone is playing convoke now I think

[lyric surge]

this is also a chinese log I think and they do weird shit

[spark river]

Its only 12 mf casts so it could be just hit a random spell on the move thing

[lyric surge]

I'm jsut pointing your answer that the moonfires were from treants is not the case

if we're trying to show the guy who was asking how to look at logs, these are things they should be looking at

[spark river]

Yeah good catch

[sly pivot]

no way my first key this week i bonus roll the NPX wep and then loot hero chest

[spark river]

I was used to looking at keeper logs

[versed lark]

What’s this going around about a damage to heal Druid build

[livid hearth]

Altho idk much if i were to guess, i saw rotation guide on icyveins or something where they suggest u use every dot u have ilke even bearform thrash. So maybe this druid when he does his singletarget rotation, before going into tiger, he dots the boss with moonfire then starts catweaving? And when moonfire runs out, dots with it again and continues or something? Because the screenshot i took shows he used it only on bosses/singletarget

[livid hearth]

yeah i was asking and trying to understand too xD

[livid hearth]

this was his cast targets, all the bosses

[thorn plover]

I don't think tree is better anywhere now

[cursive pilot]

dorki made video, someone made reddit post

same old

[golden radish]

correct me if I'm wrong but it's probably worth at least one of those being rip otherwise yeah it seems like a waste of combo points to not bite, feral frenzy, rip

[lyric surge]

I remember asking face about sunfire usage and he said not to use that unless I have liveliness; I could extrapolate that the same is true for Moonfire in ST. And the ST rotation does have gaps where you are out of energy and have time for 1-2 GCDs which I could easily see going to a moonfire cast.

[urban kestrel]

tree is fine if you're struggling with healing while moving, but I think the only fight with that much movement rn is dragons, even beloren and dragons just have huge convoke bait mechanics

also paladins just has senn hit the ticking damage every minute

[teal jungle]

No rip in the caster build

[urban kestrel]

and we're already so lacking in burst already

[golden radish]

ah

[teal jungle]

yeah otherwise that seemed the obv one and bite is just ass which makes me wonder if its even worth it

[urban kestrel]

like if your guild has you be the back left execution sentence and wants you eating heal absorbs and your disc is really good I'd maybe consider tree of life

[golden radish]

healers already do so little damage weaving is basically minmax anyway so I say do it

[urban kestrel]

but otherwise Id rather play convoke on paladins

I will say though that now we've dropped kotg/control there is like 1 convoke you'll eventually miss a searing radiance for

but also wildstalker just solos the heal absorbs

so who cares

[untold cosmos]

Are you even enjoying the game?

[oak gyro]

moonk

[boreal monolith]

In terms of pushing +18-20's, Can anyone explain why Regenesis is bad? 60% on Rejuv mainly is what I'm thinking, plus more for low targets. I've not used it yet, but looking for the reasoning behind not using it. Tried to search around via search bar in here, but just a ton of "it's bad", with no reasoning. Figured i'd ask.

[main timber]

You don't get 60% + more if the target is low

You get 0% + up to 60% depending on target health. Also tier 2 points are quite competitive so putting two in means you lose another important talent