resto

[drifting timber]

We are on mythic dragons right now. Got a 35% pull first night so it’ll go down next week for sure

[fervent osprey]

Yes, you are probably right. It is true that the hero talent dont change the gameplay. For the Lifebloom, is it better to always use on myself and juste use swifmend on cd to bloom?

[tired flame]

yeah my advice isn't relevant then

[drifting timber]

K lol

[tidal sigil]

Anyone have a decent Dream of cenarius m+ build?

[spark river]

Yes keep lifebloom on yourself in raid with 2 rejuvs

[tired flame]

im just an aotc shitter / worlds last Mythic 2/9 but I enjoy healing

[spark river]

And extend every time with swiftmend

[fervent osprey]

The 2 rejevs is to save some gcds and to have 2 stacks of abundance?

[spark river]

You cant get heal sniped with assigned cds

[spark river]

Yes

[fervent osprey]

Very well, thanks you a lot mate. Very nice of you !

[thorn plover]

2 rejuvs is for photo

[fervent osprey]

Why?

[thorn plover]

You want all the hots on your LB target to proc photo

Photo does over half of our everbloom healing

[fervent osprey]

oh, im bad

i thought it was the lb periodic healing and not all periodic healing

Alright, that was my problem then! big thanks

[lean cave]

FYI if anyone makes the same mistake: if you do your first roll as resto and change to balance for subsequent ones, you still get the items removed from the same bonus roll pool, so it's no big deal to change loot spec in between rolls as long as you don't hit the 'bad item' (e.g. xenas trinket) on your first roll

[jaunty drum]

Can I show my guildies this because they say I'm padding by not throwing LB on tank

[rustic copper]

lol

[thorn plover]

That's irrelevant

[frosty canyon]

ah yes LB on one person vs half the raid

[thorn plover]

You still load the lb target with hots no matter who it's on

[lean cave]

maybe their guild is melee only

[hearty scarab]

Saw some logs going for 2min convoke in order to have 2TV, is 2nd point on TV that worth it ?

[frosty canyon]

even then just stand in melee

[lean cave]

yeah for sure lol, was just joking anyway

[frosty canyon]

fair fair lol mb

[spark river]

Niko this is your fault

[jaunty drum]

That's fair. But if it's a ranged stack, I'm justified to have it on myself if the incoming damage is a lot?

[thorn plover]

Yourself is the best target currently because of how much self healing increase we have which makes your everbloom stronger

Which means you heal your raid more

[spark river]

I ve tried 2 min convoke and I think it simply isnt the play

Definitely fun tho

[tame talon]

lol, never wouldve thought about it but makes sense

[thorn plover]

Agree

[jaunty drum]

Oh did not know th self-heal bit amplifies everbloom. Thanks for this.

[thorn plover]

It makes the blooms from lifebloom bigger

[rustic copper]

2nd tv is very high value for nature’s bounty yes

[rustic copper]

You are lucky we private log rn

[jaunty drum]

That's insane. Okay, screw these guildies lmao

Another thing, realistically can a druid be sniping heals off of reactive healers or would that be a skill issue

[bright swift]

It can now lol

everbloom is a crazy sniper

[hushed sand]

Are you guys LB yourself or a tank on Vor? I had been putting on myself, but realized there are moments when I am not near many people while adds are out, so I started putting it on a tank.

[frosty canyon]

I was sniping a ton of heals yesterday tbh

[thorn whale]

If you heal more you snipe

[rustic copper]

I lb myself on vor and I never move

And I don’t look at my screen

[frosty canyon]

and still pink parses

[thorn whale]

Unitframe simulator?

[jaunty drum]

Okay, I basically look at you guys' logs. Funny all 3 of you reply 😄 Also Torty

[hushed sand]

lol

[jaunty drum]

Noted, sir.

[frosty canyon]

if you're not making the other healers gray parse you aren't healing enough (jk)

[hushed sand]

Seriously though, do I need to keep it on myself and just do a better job positioning during those times?

[jaunty drum]

Thanks for the tips, guys. LB on myself and snipe more.
And muting guildies

[thorn plover]

I found out this week how little damage those rings do

[frosty canyon]

wait really?

hmm

[jaunty drum]

I didn't get one shot with 278 ilvl

[faint lynx]

So do we want lifebloom to expire now so it blooms?

[frosty canyon]

I'm about the same, good to know

[thorn plover]

No

[thorn plover]

No, refreshing in pandemic also makes it bloom

But in reality these blooms make up a very small portion of your total blooms

Sotf and photo is over 90% of your blooms

[gleaming spoke]

If group is mostly melee, I put it on tank. If group is mostly ranged, I put it on me. I know this is super late, but hopefully it gives you perspective from another druid. <Shrug>

[faint lynx]

Gotcha ty

[rustic copper]

Every single lb cast and every single swiftmend cast is on myself for every fight

[ornate pollen]

imagine moving on vor

[bright swift]

this is the way

[ornate pollen]

well, you can move with the circles I guess for even more

[slow flint]

Hello guys, these are my current trinkets. I just looted heart of the wind. I'm trying to find out which trinket to change. I dont find reliable information and i guess light of the cosmic crescendo isn't played that much bc it needs to kill L'ura. Both are correct, but, do u have any idea where I could find a good answer?

Playing mainly mythic 18+ atm

[thorn plover]

QE Live

[shy bramble]

my friends get mad at me if i take off the whistle

[slow dome]

hello where can I find a guide for the caster rotation for rdruid dps

[stable verge]

Out of curiosity what’s ur ilvl?

[slow flint]

Ok, didnt know the site. So, it seems Crescendo is a bit better

[slow flint]

279.62

[slow flint]

Ye, do we know if QE Live takes into account the mastery bonus for dps?

[mighty kelp]

Is there a viable M+ build that doesn't spec into shapeshifting now?

[ornate pollen]

anything?

probably ws if you're not going to dps

[stable verge]

Wow head has one

[shy bramble]

I have no idea

[mighty kelp]

Do we have any triage healing or if things et wild are we just fooked

Had my group wipe in the middle of a tranquility cast I was like wtf else can I do

[versed stone]

it depends, if you were afk or dpsing and then just press tranq then it's on you

[mighty kelp]

Nah I was pumping all I had and just had tranq left instead of spam regrowths

[vagrant grove]

so we play now with full apex? in all the logs from yesterday they use it

[whole horizon]

without a log its hard to say what youre doing wrong

[versed stone]

then it depends on what happened that casued the wipe

[whole horizon]

but yes, we triage by shitting out so much raw healing you dont need to press a CD usually

[stable verge]

Is that what we do? Spam Regrowth / rejuv? When everything is on cd?

[lean cave]

well there isn't much else we could be pressing that doesn't have a cd

[stable verge]

Just making sure lol had a few of those yesterday

Managed to pull through

[mighty kelp]

I try to push everything away as well with our little magic come back circle and push circle and wafflestomp tauren ability but QQ I suck

[strong cradle]

@bright swift are you playing tree or convoke on last boss

[bright swift]

convoke

[strong cradle]

W, Ty

[grizzled seal]

tree is dead

[shut night]

Wowhead guide under Rotation has a lot of details on different scenarios and how to handle.

[plain steeple]

Vrocas is a 2min voke Fan now.

[bright swift]

no?

i'm playing 1 min

[plain steeple]

Sadge

[grizzled seal]

I am the one playing 2 min

[stable verge]

Ty

[ornate pollen]

is there a way to make the new everbloom thing not show at all visually? it's oppressive

[spring girder]

should you always go for alnseer even if heroic in vault? dont know what to choose really? trinket sims highest

[pine coyote]

im on resi 17, pushing 18s as well, crescendo works better in m+ if you dont have gaze, currently using it with heart of the wind, i tried replacement combos such as vaelgor + heart, heart + whistle, heart + keepsake but imo passive trinkets are much more easier to use play and crescendo works particularly well for m+ because of its boost on lower health

[ornate pollen]

I mean, a mythic seer is guaranteed with 8 tokens, I wouldn't prio it on heroic

[pine coyote]

thats 4 weeks though...

[whole horizon]

thats why its called gambling

you probably get a drop/vault before that

[main timber]

It could also be one week

[whole horizon]

[pine coyote]

we dont talk about that

[livid hearth]

It is said to use HOTW in catform up to 5+ targets. What happens on 5+ targets? Use it in human form to heal the dangerous aoe pull?

[main timber]

I don't know, I don't think I ever differentiated between <5 and >5. Most of the time there is one big mob you'd rather kill faster

[versed stone]

you can't use hotw in human form as resto lol

[thorn whale]

Also try pressing hotw in human form

[grizzled seal]

I got mine on the first roll

[thorn whale]

You’re just him

[grizzled seal]

You need to move your mouse clockwise twice around the roll button and then click on the roll

[main timber]

Thanks I'll try that tonight

[bright swift]

Coined nexus point on priest and got the only item I can't use out of 7 items

this is why I won't roll on my druid on Chimaerus

i'm too unlucky

[main timber]

Sounds like you are due a good roll...

[bright swift]

There's no bad luck protection

[strong cradle]

I haven’t even used my coins

[whole horizon]

your account is seeded on creation

gg its been cooked since day 1

[pine coyote]

what do you plan to roll on though then?

[main timber]

Well there explicitly is with the "you cant roll the same item twice"

[bright swift]

Nexus probably

[grizzled seal]

I rolled chimaeron cuz I cant stand stare

[strong cradle]

That’s where I plan on using mine too

[grizzled seal]

Fuck that trinket

[bright swift]

yeah but in 4 weeks Lura is already dead

[grizzled seal]

in 2 weeks you have a 50% chance of getting gaze

[bright swift]

I'll still lose that

[slow flint]

Ye, I had the same feeling. 5M+ healing overall on my keys just with the trinket. The mastery buff seems well too, especially for dps, but dps isnt the pain point atm to time. Thanks for confirming too 🙂

[livid hearth]

This part

[rigid mirage]

Did they speak on whats happening if ppl already use their rolls

[strong cradle]

I’m saving mine for next week and gonna send 4 on nexus

Maybe I get lucky and get what I want and save some

[main timber]

The alternative is only moonkin but I'd usually just cat anyway

It doesn't work in caster form

[livid hearth]

Ok ty. In learning the rotation again now with the caster form dps chNges

New to resto

[main timber]

Have you done any dungeons on it yet

[carmine mountain]

Gz!!!

I´ll try this later too

[bright swift]

nah but it's actually unreal how unlucky I am

not a single vault with exceptional loot this entire expansion yet

[strong cradle]

You shouldn’t even bother learning boomkin dps as resto, lmao if you guys think Druid boomy damage is not getting nerfed next class changes. That shit is gonna get nuked

[bright swift]

?

it's not that good

mw does more damage

[grizzled seal]

Ok what's there to learn

[strong cradle]

No it doesn’t

[grizzled seal]

1. Keybind starfire
2. Press starfire

It's like Miami Heat gameplan back in the days

[main timber]

Do they even need to nerf? Can't htey just fix the two very glaring bugs that we reported two months ago?

[strong cradle]

Druids are doing 60-70k dps while also being the meta healer for dungeons

[grizzled seal]

Yeah the bugs are getting fixed for sure, I am actually surprised they lasted until today

[bright swift]

Why did they delete the debuff filter

[main timber]

Yes but a lot of that is from the bug

[bright swift]

now I see warlock gateway on frames and shit again

[grizzled seal]

You can only do that much with bug abuse

[bright swift]

i don't understand

[main timber]

If you fix the bug the spec loses incredible DPS

[bright swift]

what bug

[strong cradle]

What bug?

You just starfire as call of elder

[tulip nexus]

whats the best engi crafted item embellishment for m+? I didn't realise engi items had special embellishments when i crafted engi boots without one - but I got the bis chest from NPX roll so now I need to use one of the engi ones

[grizzled seal]

no, that's not what people are doing lol

if you check keeper logs you can see a lot of instant casts

[main timber]

Starfire cleave is using the Moonkin percentage, and Blooming Infusion stacks 5x as quickly as it should

[plain steeple]

You press one Regrowth and have a double damage instant starfire.

[grizzled seal]

Oh yeah I even forgot about cleave part

[bright swift]

how is it 1 regrowth

[plain steeple]

And that starfire does way too much cleave damage.

[grizzled seal]

Because nature's bounty works on stacks

[plain steeple]

NB abuse

[bright swift]

oh NB

interesting

[thorn whale]

btw do you think it's safe to keep bonus rolls for next week

[plain steeple]

A normal Regrowth counts as 2 already, because of the spread to lifebloom.

[bright swift]

why not

[livid hearth]

Only timewalking so it doesnt count

[plain steeple]

A sotf Regrowth counts as 4

[thorn whale]

idk 2 per week kinda thing

[livid hearth]

Its lvl 80

[plain steeple]

And if you talent NB a single Regrowth counts for every target that already has Regrowth.

[main timber]

I'd really encourage you to just play the spec a bit before trying to memorize niche DPS scenarios that might not even exist when you hit max level

[strong cradle]

Well going keeper with call of elder and MS + the starfire buffs it’s like 100% damage amp to an ability that probably didn’t needed buffed anyways even if there is a bug

[uneven sparrow]

You get 2 per week but the cap goes up each week so alts can get 4 next week if they haven’t gotten any

[livid hearth]

Im kinda invested/passionate that during times i cant play like on the subway like now i read all the guides and stuff

[main timber]

They might nerf, I am just saying that these bugs already make up quite a massive amount of your DPS

[grizzled seal]

Fixing starfire bugs will reduce your starfire dmg by like 30% already

In the overall

[plain steeple]

Isn’t the cleave bug alone increasing the damage by more than that?

[main timber]

I will bug report this for the 17th time

Sadly it probably got pushed behind the new patch bugs (another 5000)

[bright swift]

can they please fix the private aura shit in raid

[grizzled seal]

Actually true, the cleave alone is fucking idiotic

[bright swift]

it's infuriating

[grizzled seal]

It's probably like 20% of the overall right there

[plain steeple]

The cleave damage is doubled. (70% instead of 35%)

[grizzled seal]

Depends on the size of your pulls I guess

[gusty meteor]

Question, are u guys rolling with keeper of the forest and with moonkin form or are u rolling with wildstalker + moonkin form?

[silk ice]

Is this bug report really necessary

[plain steeple]

Yes. This gameplay is arse.

[grizzled seal]

Yes because you dont want to get nerfed and then bug fixed

[blazing loom]

to get the rapid blooming effect of lifebloom does swiftmend have to be on the lb target

[plain steeple]

Give me +100% feral damage

[grizzled seal]

You want to get a bugfix and then no nerf

[strong cradle]

That’s why I’m saying if they fix a bug or nerf starfire might as well not learn it. WS is better healing for dungeons and you don’t need healer damage anyways for these keys.

[main timber]

Maybe, just the playstyle is very simple and they have a bad track record with bugs

But yeah the guy at level 80 probably shouldn't bother

[silk ice]

Or they get fixated on the high damage and lower healing and decide to buff kotg healing

[gusty meteor]

are u guys running keeper of the forest or wildstalker with boomkin form?

[grizzled seal]

you dont use moonkin form

[gusty meteor]

dont we want to pump atm with starfire?

[grizzled seal]

you do that in caster form

[gusty meteor]

can u link ur talents

[main timber]

Check out wowhead or icy veins guides. They will explain this

[grizzled seal]

you pick moonkin form talent but you dont actually shift into it

[main timber]

This will help too https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/12.0.5/

[obtuse moat]

hey fellas, sorry if this is asked a million times, do you think its worth to dreamrift hc and spend the extra rolls there for the trinket?

[grizzled seal]

you pick this talent instead of fluid form and do more dmg in caster than in moonkin

[gusty meteor]

ty ❤️

[wise galleon]

wouldnt be going boomkin form and cast HoT better for a big starting M+ pull? Or is the cat one also aoe? I understood cat form HoW is ST

[main timber]

It is single target but a lot of pulls have a prio mob you'd rather kill. If not moonkin hotw is fine but it doesn't do insane damage like the cat one does

[barren trout]

I can feel the nerf coming

[main timber]

That's not a yes!

[hidden obsidian]

do we, if we want a dmg convoke as caster ig?

[main timber]

Funnily enough on average we look very strong but not overpowered right now. It's the few exceptional players that are really dominating

[restive kettle]

Problem with our dps is the majority of druids trying to take advantage of the bugs will likely have a party member die unless they are completely in tune with the timings of the dangerous abilities

[dry valve]

I just want to get nerfed so all these pepegas stop playing resto Druid and go back to holy priest

Is that too much to ask

Seeing too many resto druids in the game

[ornate pollen]

DOC doing 30% of healing in a key is kinda fun

[crude basin]

Do we have a channel for log reviews? Or can I just post it here?

[main timber]

Just post it here

[frank canopy]

Really basic question but, what option do I tick to make starfire not automatically put me into moonkin form when I cast it?

[harsh quail]

not picking fluid form

[thorn plover]

Don't talent fluid form

[frank canopy]

Oh yeaahh. I thought id swapped that over, thanks! Derp

[ornate pollen]

why would you not want moonkin form though?

[crude basin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6mPghyCkpV7Bnafv?fight=last

We finished this key, but it just felt like a slog the whole way through. Looking for any tips people can give me, trying really hard to improve

[lyric surge]

You lose haste

[harsh quail]

scroll up like 20messages

[gusty meteor]

what is the bug exactly btw?

[maiden sedge]

No bud, it happens when you spend your soul of the forest buff (made available after swiftmending)

[main timber]

scroll up like 30 messages

[wise galleon]

Does the moonkin AOE have a set amount of targets? And how does that damage compare to cat HoW + bite

Ratio like..uhm...with numbers?

[thorn plover]

If it's more than 1 target you push starfire

[main timber]

They mean for HotW

I do'nt have the numbers in front of me right now but we can try and get you that

DPS alone isn't always that relevant there though

[wise galleon]

Thatd be cool if you are arsed to do that

Its just that switching to cat form now feels so clunky without fluid form

[main timber]

Moonkin is the same or

[thorn plover]

If you're going into it to cast hotw only it's the same amount of gcds

[grand herald]

Simply tiger dash to go into cat

Ez pz

[wise galleon]

Yeah but dont I need to stay melee in cat form and wait for combo points to go up to max then also use bite

[ornate pollen]

is starfall worth casting if you have to manually swap in?

[main timber]

You can ditch the Bite part if you want

[wise galleon]

While I can just pop HotW in moonkin and transform back

[thorn plover]

You don't go moonkin form ever

Cast it in normal form

[pulsar kettle]

starfall?

in normal form?

[wise galleon]

oki doki the question persists for big pulls like Algethar, if the astral dot aoe caps at a certain number of targets then sure ill just keep doing that

[thorn plover]

Oh starfall

[main timber]

This entire conversation is about HotW man

[thorn plover]

I'm just gonna see myself out

✌️

[wise galleon]

Doesnt HoTW moonkin do aoe dots out? (idk maybe im wrong just first season resto im confused)

[hushed sand]

That's crystal clear. 🙂 Thanks!

[gusty meteor]

Can't you scroll for me bro

[pulsar kettle]

[cerulean shadow]

but if u cast starfire or wrath 2 times in row it auto puts u in moonking form

[vast rapids]

any tips for POS 17-18 range? trash seems to truck with the curses, lich dot, and magic debuff and feels guaranteed to have overlap with ghoals leaping around. Is it a route issue?

[pulsar kettle]

so don't take fluid form

[whole horizon]

need classes that can cheese the dispels easily

druid monk pala

maybe mage with blink

[cerulean shadow]

do we cast starfire on full ST too or wrath with starsurge

[whole horizon]

there's a link to dps rotation post in the FAQ

[wraith jackal]

quick question: does SW on LB target always trigger everbloom? or only in pandemic window?

[plain steeple]

Can’t you use the search feature?

[tidal sigil]

Playing more around photosynthesis and the new apex in m+ feels so nice. Barely have to cast anything and can just send starfires

[whole horizon]

assuming you mean SM, not SW, and no. read the tooltip again.

[pure jolt]

n

[whole horizon]

blooming frenzy procs off of consuming Soul of the Forest

everbloom procs off of all Lifebloom blooms

you have to press SM to gain SotF but other than than, SM has nothing to do with apex

[wraith jackal]

but new talent says "final" bloom of lifebloom

[whole horizon]

its all blooms

final is bad phrasing

blizzard sucks at writing tooltips

[wraith jackal]

ok thats what confused me, ty

[brazen grove]

Hit 3000rio last week thru PUGing, this week can’t keep tanks up in 13s. Idk if it’s the lack of everbloom prio or I just suck now

[crude basin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6mPghyCkpV7Bnafv?fight=last

We finished this key, but it just felt like a slog the whole way through. Looking for any tips people can give me, trying really hard to improve

[whole horizon]

dont even sweat it

not even looking at your gameplay

[fair shard]

The dot has an slow component so again everything breaking slows removes it. You go bear, hinter disengage, priest phantasm and so on. Get your group on their toes

[whole horizon]

you guys pressed BL twice in a 30 minute key and your mage did tank dps

that is going to make any key feel like shit to heal

[harsh quail]

and everyone fully tanking the chains also doesnt help, regardless if its only a 10 key or something high

[whole horizon]

all of your timings are wrong, you have to heal way more because the mobs never die and they keep casting, your group probably missed a ton of kicks

just gg go next and do your best to not group with players of that caliber

[silk trench]

What are the odds that they don't nerf the apex talents?

[thorn plover]

Read your talents

[crude basin]

Yeah, I know we were taking a lot of damage; we weren't supposed to. I was trying to heal through it like a madman, but do you see anything I can specifically improve on?

[silk trench]

for raid especially

[plain steeple]

I‘d rather expect a global nerf than an apex nerf.

Apex seems fine

[main timber]

I think it would be silly to nerf Apex specifically

Do they want us to use it or not

[pulsar kettle]

its no more "op" than pres

[spare maple]

We had 1 day of fun, no nerfs pls 🙂

[silk trench]

Is it safe to prep to use for crown then? :D

[whole horizon]

honestly, no. if you felt like you were struggling healing though, maybe lay off spamming starfire/wrath until you have that under control.

[main timber]

If they do nerf, and I'm not sure they will, it'll be aura nerf I suspect

[rustic copper]

Halt nerfs, loorah isn’t dead yet

[whole horizon]

but i mean this with the best intentions - your group performed awfully. holding bloodlust on those first packs to press it on the boss and not pressing it again until the end of the dungeon easily added 3 minutes to your overall timer.

on top of that, your DPS players clearly had no clue what they were doing. i seriously wouldn't even be considering my performance in that key because so much of your success is in the hands of your tank and DPS players.

[ocean tusk]

hmm should i send 3 rerolls into nexus going for chest/ ring first, or windrunner to get trinket (still using heroic whistle + valegores stare)

[gentle nova]

Why would they nerf a spec that is on pair with 3 others

People are truly something

[crude basin]

Yeah it was mostly a pug group this was the hardest seat that I've probably done in a long time.

[whole horizon]

i can do as much raw DPS on my 267 aug as your 267 mage did

that's uhh.. not good

i bet your healing would have felt much better if things died literally twice as fast

but if you want more feedback post more logs

[whole monolith]

You could also have a look at adjusting your talents slightly to have better spread heal potential. Natures Bounty for example would probably pull a lot of weight for you

[ionic arch]

I am not an expert, but I feel like you could have used way more Ironbarks, especially if other people were taking loads of damage. Basically using higher impact spells more (convoke, ironbark, barkskin)

[formal plaza]

Thx 🙏

[whole monolith]

This too. you are talented into regenerative heartwood so more usage would be big!

[thick summit]

Sometimes I like to search rdruid in other class discords and smile

[crude basin]

Yeah more barkskin is a great idea

[crude basin]

I usually run Harmonious Blessing over Nature's Bounty because my Warrior Friend seems to fall over without the extra Mastery bonus on him.

[crude basin]

Or when I live bloom swap somebody, I can spot heal them a little better with it. But maybe Nature's Bounty would be better.

[stable verge]

Nature's bounty is a crazy point to not take 😮

[whole horizon]

its a 10 so it's not that crazy

[stable verge]

Well yeah ofc but still

[whole horizon]

most of these deaths aren't things you can heal through

[west topaz]

it's a team game though, rn other people are getting fucked even if rdruid is doing great

[daring sparrow]

so what are we playig in raid? wildstalker or keeper? and do we catweave still?

some builds on wowhead/icy/logs are different

[thick summit]

Team game…that means a healer doing more healing…is good for the team then right?

[west topaz]

not gonna help the dps

not when there's people missing 10 to 18% dps from bugs for their spec js

[thick summit]

Can I be honest

[west topaz]

like yes im glad we're doing well but still

[thick summit]

I require context

[whole horizon]

@crude basin most of the preventable deaths were missed kicks and overlapping mechs

[west topaz]

unholy dk bugged to shit, mm hunters enraged, rogues mad about some substats shit again, hpals crying about fps loss, mw monks still have talents turning on and off randomly

that's just some of it this patch

[whole horizon]

your healing breakdown is fine so you're not making any real rotational mistakes. you should be able to sleepwalk through a 10.

[crude basin]

Ty. Appreciate the input

[whole horizon]

this key felt bad because of personal responsibility. your mage had 15 kicks/stops.

[crude basin]

I usually do that’s why I was so concerned

[whole horizon]

poor personal defensive usage overall. letting abyssal enhancements go off without kicking them.

not pressing a defensive when you get double Eruption

you cant heal through that stuff. like, you can if you're really good but you shouldn't be aiming to skill your way around that. that's just having a ton of experience and really good reflexes, you can only train that so much.

[west topaz]

asleep party makes any baby 10 and under feel like a shadowlands 20

it'll feel bad then you blame yourself, it's a tale as old as time

because every healer likes to blame themselves at some point, deep down

[whole horizon]

there's like a minimum req of things you should do no matter what the key level is, whether its an m0 or a +8 or a +16 and your party failed at most of them

[solid loom]

Is there something similar for Swiftmend like LifebloomAlert? Noticed that I’m missing quite a few casts.

[west topaz]

they still need to know the fight + interrupt

[crude basin]

Absolutely haha. Always blame deaths on myself

[proven phoenix]

I think I need to play ms

[west topaz]

you gotta develop the 'eye' for knowing if something is actually your fault or not

if their health just straight up drops, that's usually rly not your fault

[bright swift]

nah man you just gotta cast regrowth - Torty

[whole monolith]

You could try using the blizzard cd manager to add sounds to the spells when they come off of cd. WC3 gold sound was a saviour for me

[west topaz]

you can develop that eye anytime you do lfr on alts and you watch how many people are making a mistake

[ocean tusk]

hey chat should i take nature swiftness out of my convoke macro? Does it actually not butt convoke regrowths anymore? I read that the other day in here but never got confirmation

[whole horizon]

that's why i don't heal m+ anymore tbh. feral is so much more rewarding.

[gentle nova]

Doesnt

[spare sand]

owlweaving feels so

weird

wtf

so we use cat skills ?

[solid loom]

I’m already using the exact same sound, but it sometimes gets lost in all the noise during boss fights.

[spare sand]

or skip completely

[crude basin]

Here’s a question, what do we use Hotw on now? Moonkin or cat?

[rustic copper]

Press the regrowth spell ._.

I’m going to cut back my wg a lot when we start getting into p3

I’m just kinda sending everything rn

[whole horizon]

cdm sounds are scuffed right now. im honestly just turning off all my audio alerts until they fix TTS channel volume.

it's more distracting hearing them as whispers tbh

[west topaz]

yea dont use cdm sounds they sug

idk if tellmewhen is any better because i cba to set it up

[whole horizon]

it's been fine until they broke it yesterday

[west topaz]

it's too oldschool lmao

[ocean tusk]

tysm

[marble crown]

Is there any advantage of using Convoke instead of Incarnation when running Wildstalker?

[ocean tusk]

can you macro bear form + heart of the wild for a defensive, and cat form + heart of the wild for offensive use?

[whole horizon]

you have to macro them as castsequence with a delay, but yes

if you macro them together, despite HotW being off GCD and instant cast, shapeshifting lag will prevent it from casting in the correct form and 50% of the time it won't cast at all

[grizzled seal]

he is right

[whole horizon]

so a delay is necessary if you want to do that

[whole horizon]

not specific to WS

[ocean tusk]

ah i see, i will try to just get used to the keybind sequence, ty for the explanation!

[marble crown]

okay thx, just thinking what to take for raid tonight as I switched Apex. I am more used to Incarnation tbh

[whole horizon]

well Incarn does gain some strength with KotG

[rustic copper]

When do I convoke with 2 min convoke

[rancid portal]

is the bonus loot thingy still bugged? mate got the same shoulder twice in M+ Bonusloot

[grizzled seal]

convoke every 3 with tranq

[bright swift]

[rustic copper]

Do you convoke start of i1 Lura ?

[whole horizon]

blizz said they released the fix for it about 12 hours ago

[half star]

Was the first roll done before the fix, and the second done after?

[rustic copper]

I started roaring to the other side and convoking to get hots out on everyone

And then getting to my spot late

[rancid portal]

yeah one was yesterday and 1 was today so its fixed now?

[bright swift]

fixed now yes

[half star]

The yesterday one didn't cross off the list because it was broken then. They won't be able to get another dupe now though

They may try to retroactively update it, but that's why it happened

[oak garnet]

It was broken but people were also dumb and didn't know how it worked

Mad they got a Dupe of an item they had from vault etc

[rancid portal]

yeah unlucky for my mate because like I said got the same shoulders today with bonusloot than yesteraday

[half star]

Yes, because the ones he got while it was broken, didn't remove it from his list

[oak garnet]

Blizzard is a small company without many resource cut them some slack

[half star]

The ones he got today did remove it from his list

It sucks and they kinda hinted they would try to refund people that got borked by it, but unclear and might take a min

[oak garnet]

They should just refund everyone 2 tokens

[dawn cove]

Anyone else playing m+ with prosperity instead of Verdant infusion?

[rancid portal]

nope they wont! mate made a ticket and they sad there is no refund etc

[half star]

Nah, tickets say customer support can't do anything. That's not the same thing as what I am saying

[oak garnet]

Many do. I think both are good. Personally I've tried it and prefer VI

[half star]

The devs often retroactively update/refund people who get borked by things like this. The crafting bug for example, was refunded

[west topaz]

they have not refunded a single thing that was hinted, this is now 1. warband bank shit that was lost 2. dundun shards and abundance currency that were lost 3. bonus loot stuff

do not have faith

[half star]

You can read the blue post yourself, it's pretty clear their intention is to refund for affected players

[west topaz]

people also lost housing items randomly and they werent added back

[grizzled seal]

@rustic copper what if I play 3 min tree

thoughts?

[bright swift]

all of this for 1 TV

[half star]

They didn't say for any of those things that they had plans to fix. They did however refund crests for the crafting bug, and it's clear they are trying to refund here.

[grizzled seal]

50 years ago people would've killed for a good TV

[smoky sail]

Fuck flourish go 2 min tranq or w/e the talent is

[zenith fable]

yes, I prefer prosp

[west topaz]

when can we summon a straight up Ancient

i wanna see that story one throw some rocks

[grizzled seal]

yeah that's stupid

[plain steeple]

Still people play without sound today.

[fallen compass]

If you get an itch for the throwing of large boulders by Tree or Tree like beings you could always watch one of the LOTR movies where the ents throw them.

[zenith fable]

playing with sound is horrible

[rancid portal]

so after checking on lorrog it shouldnt matter if I play new apex build or old build?

[fallen compass]

I think it will matter more on your group's comp and plan for the fight. As far as total throughput I think the new apex is awesome healing, but it may not mesh with a group's plans.

[thorn plover]

If you don't play apex you're trolling

[rancid portal]

lorrog says otherwise mate

[fallen compass]

Were those compiled entirely after the change?

[main timber]

Don't get too snippy, you are just looking at old data

[thorn plover]

I know I'm going to regret asking, but where are you seeing this

[main timber]

I just checked every boss, and there are no non-Apex logs that are post-patch

[rancid portal]

oh nvm isnt Lorrog upgraded?

[thorn plover]

Check the dates on the logs

[main timber]

You are the one using it as a source, shouldn't you know that?

[fallen compass]

THey pull from a certain time frame, not patch.

People just need to be careful to actually look at the data before drawing conclusions or you can come up with mistakes like this more often.

Or at least have a trusted source of info.

[thorn plover]

People just read the headline

And make wild claims

[unkempt cape]

Hello, iam trying to do +16 now and i have so much hard time healing all that dmg?
Do you guys have any video or website where i can cehck some tips ? Cause i believe i play it right, but just cant do it

[grand herald]

How are you healing? Are you prehotting before a damage event? Using sm+apex to burst heal? Spot healing with RG?

[crude basin]

Who's a good instructional YouTuber for Resto?

[thorn plover]

Any YouTube video is out of date by the time you see it. Best to avoid. However the Questionably Epic YouTube channel has a couple good commentaries

[unkempt cape]

2reju on all, WG if group dmg and spaming regrowth with swiftmend

[crude basin]

How about streamers? Maybe people with commentary as they run keys?

[grand herald]

All hots and using SM and RG at the right time should easily handle any healing in a key

Are you sometimes caught off guard? What are people dying to?

[versed stone]

for generic advice, go read a guide @unkempt cape, for more detailed advice share a log of your +16 attempt

it is entirely pointless to start listing possible solutions to every question like this 20 times a day

[meager pasture]

Tbh I found i improved more by recording myself in a key and watching it afterwards to see what I messed up

[unkempt cape]

Will do that again and again and then make logs for that 2 bosses in each 16 🙁 Thank you

[versed stone]

well.. yes, or we can spill some tea and read out some advice for you from the leaves

[mental breach]

Hi,
Anyone could help me a bit?
In the Wowhead guide in the M+ talent build the suggested pick is Circle of Heavens instead of Circle of the Wild. Why? I have been told that Circle of the Wild is the must have pick here.

[meager pasture]

Do anyone else has issues in raid with frames having overlapping debuffs/buffs showing all the time ? For example at dragon the light barrier shows times 5 on all frames

[thorn plover]

Welcome to Midnight

[leaden fjord]

The buffs on the frames have been incredibly bad since patch

[meager pasture]

Then there is nothing we can toggle off in the options I guess ? I'll just have to deal with it

[rain oyster]

that was true until the patch since they buffed all spell dmg

so now its just circle of heavens

[mental breach]

Yes, but if I remember correctly Circle of Heavens does not buff moonfire, etc.

[oak garnet]

What are you having a hard time with

Big burst hits, Triage or rot damage

[pulsar kettle]

moonfire is magic damage.

read your talents man

[mental breach]

OK... ok sorry maybe I am not clear. I can read..........
But even here I was told that no matter what Circle of the Heavens should never be used. Wild is buffing even the magic damage coz of some stupid background thing.... how the spells works. ETc

[rain oyster]

you are mixing up guardian and resto things

[unkempt cape]

I have problem if two ppl has debuff i cant dispell (already used dispell), some cast go off and its rip. Sometimes even aoe tick happens.. (Magister before first boss, Windrunner spire...)

[mental breach]

Ahh! OK. That will be my misunderstanding then!

So that thing only apply to Guardian?

[unkempt cape]

I feel like if someone is on 30% i cant really get that ppl back up even with full hots and regrowth

[oak garnet]

The WRS issue may be more your dps than you. If bloodlust runs out and shit is still alive a bad salvo / dot /cast combo can easily take someone out

[rain oyster]

i cant remember how exactly it was for guardian on which spells, but for resto everything works as expected

[mental breach]

OK! Thank you! Everything is clear now.

[neat trail]

Good evening,

Does anyone know why the vast majority of players have switched to the Wildstalker talent in raids?

[barren trout]

more hps

[versed stone]

you should be swapping bloom to this target instead of trying to spam 5 regro

[neat trail]

But what changed with version 12.0.5 that made everyone switch over all at once like that? Did everyone just decide to do it together?

[oak garnet]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/12.0.5

[leaden fjord]

Lifebloom apex talent got a big buff that synergizes with wildstalker, it's better to take the apex and run WS now, it's worth checking out the wowhead/QE guides

[pulsar kettle]

it was already competitive, or even better on some fights, apex got buffed massively and WS makes use of those buffs better.

[neat trail]

thx all, i going read ! 😄

[leaden fjord]

I know racials other than shadowmeld have extremely limited value that doesn't seem to be worth discussing most of the time
But I really wanna know if Akunda is worth taking over Pa'ku for my zandalari rdruid
does this seem like it's worth more than having an extra 4% crit for ~1/3rd of the fight?
My gut says the crit's probably better, but idrk how to actually evaluate it

[oak garnet]

Making use of ironbark on high hp, pre swapping lifebloom or swapping as soon as damage lands and obviously Dispelling anything that causes big Dam first global
Ironbark is insane bc w hots out it is a wall plus with RH will sustain them

In keys I bark non tank players a lot of the time

[unkempt cape]

I never switch Lifebloom so far 😮 Ty for tip

Also used Bark only on tank, on CD tho

[oak garnet]

The more you play the more you know get a feel for where the danger is. Mgt for instance those pulls before first boss and hallway after. Often I'm using wall on dps there

I swap lifebloom around as much as needed but as little as I can. I'd rather extend it on the tank whenever possible

[cursive pagoda]

Is there a video I can watch that shows good resto gameplay in lower keys

Just want to see how they do things

I always feel like I’m unsure of what I should be doing at a given moment

[worthy umbra]

I think you can get the same out of watching good players prepare for dmg and then scale it down to your key lvl

[cursive pagoda]

Same spells and setups either way?

[strange jolt]

can anyone give me the rundown on implant vs twin sprouts in M+

[worthy umbra]

Yeah I mean chances are people doing low keys are probably not doing optimal plays

[cursive pagoda]

Yeah I guess I’d want to be playing like I’m in a higher key just so I can take that experience to the higher keys

[worthy umbra]

Yup

[plain steeple]

Okay guys, i cannot see half the debuffs in M+ anymore. What do i do to see them again?

[cursive pagoda]

Was doing time walking dungeons as I’m still not max level, but things obviously aren’t the same and I don’t think it’s a good way to learn

[worthy umbra]

Like im doing 18's and looking at 20's gameplay for improvements

[cursive pagoda]

But in those I found myself rarely pressing regrowth, which is obviously a problem

[worthy umbra]

its not the same dmg intake but I can look at what they do

[thorn plover]

You uninstall midnight and play a different expansion

[plain steeple]

Nice, thanks.

[thorn plover]

Hope that helps

[plain steeple]

It did, thank you.

[cursive pagoda]

Do you guys have a specific situation where you want to regrowth someone over putting a rejuv/germ on them?

[oak garnet]

There's hardly any damage in the content youre doing

[cursive pagoda]

When they’re under 50% are in critical health?

[thorn plover]

Damage soon = rejuv
Damage now = regrowth

[cursive pagoda]

Yeah that’s why it seems like a crappy place to test

[oak garnet]

When I'm doing like weekly 10s all the way up to like 15s I barely have to regrowth

[cursive pagoda]

Is the regrowth hot decent to take care of some residual missing health too?

[oak garnet]

Especially now

[thorn plover]

Yes it's just not very long

[cursive pagoda]

Hots just take care of stuff in easier content I guess

Do you guys feel like you always have a panic heal like convoke or whatever the other ones called when doing 10s?

[oak garnet]

You'll barely ever be in a panic because druid is broken

[cursive pagoda]

Oh

Lifebloom change did it?

[livid hearth]

how do i unlock weekly reroll or 10 ilvl upgrade thing?

do i need to do the weekly quest for 6/6 first?

[cursive pagoda]

Yeah

[unkempt cape]

Can you see something from my logs in +15?

[cursive pagoda]

Hope if they nerf resto it isn’t too much, I kinda hate playing classes when they’re in a volatile state in terms of balance, but this xpac it seems like that’s every spec lmao

[silk ice]

Better than being as stable as hpal is

[thorn plover]

I don't think we will get nerfed much if at all

[west topaz]

wait we went through moonkin form just for pathing only and don't actually owlweave?

so confused lmao

[thorn plover]

Yes that's correct

[west topaz]

ok ty

thank god

[thorn plover]

Don't take fluid form

[west topaz]

so throw moonkin form off my bar? alright

[thorn plover]

You might want it for using hotw on big packs

[west topaz]

ah

[thorn plover]

But I just made a hotw macro for that

[west topaz]

so the big lust packs

[neat trail]

In your opinion, is it better to keep Lifebloom active on yourself or on a tank for the entire duration of a Mythic raid? I guess it depends on the boss? I think I’m generally in a better position than a tank, but I take less damage, so which is more effective?

[thorn plover]

Quick double press and it's cast since hotw not on gcd

[tranquil totem]

Personally on tank because I use swiftmend on them to extend all my other HOTS on them

So I just don’t have to cast lifebloom as often

[pulsar kettle]

On yourself in raid.

[west topaz]

are you using this macro to just quickly hotw while in moonkin form then you shift back out??

[neat trail]

Right now, I'm using the “Wild Growth” spell on myself, the “Lifeblooom” spell on myself, and the “Swiftmend” spell on myself

[pulsar kettle]

always sm yourself with 2 rejuvs

[crisp talon]

Hello friendly healers,
Quick data gathering, do we have to use swiftmend on the lifebloom to make it pop 5 times with the apex ?

[pulsar kettle]

No

[cursive pagoda]

Or aff in my case lmao, that’s who I main lol

[silk ice]

You could be playing the better spec tho, if hpal is bad, you can’t respec to Disc Paladin

[thorn plover]

Yes I do the same for cat too

[cedar moon]

i'm seeing the wowhead spec recommend MS over liveliness, that seems like a throughput nerf, no?

[cursive pagoda]

True

[west topaz]

if you mean this part of the apex, no you can use swiftmend -> soof on anybody and the LB will bloom on its target. you can try this in town to see for yourself

[main timber]

Way more damage, slightly less healing

Regenesis should be shit. The others all seem fine

That final point just doesn't have anywhere great to go I think

[west topaz]

im chaotic so i untalented ursine vigor

[thorn plover]

Fine if you're running low keys

[west topaz]

ya i dont see my friends needing me for anything above 15 rn

ill put it back if they do

yea

get ready to drink a lot i guess lmao

[cursive pagoda]

Is innervate even needed for m+

[cedar moon]

right okay, i'm down for way more dmg

[cursive pagoda]

Mana seems easy

[hardy canopy]

i was thinking inner peace

[fringe wasp]

What Healing frames are people using right now? My Danders is totally borked.

[west topaz]

mana is easy unless theyre making a bajillion mistakes or poor healing form ya

[pulsar kettle]

Not really.

[thorn plover]

What's bricked about it? Mine is fine

[west topaz]

idk, i said to myself if my danders broke then ill go back to grid2

[cursive pagoda]

Might put 2 points in the talent on the right then

For more self healing and some move speed

Sounds nice

[west topaz]

the wowhead m+ build already has 2 in forestwalk

[cursive pagoda]

Oh ok cool

[west topaz]

how do we find space to put starsurge, starfire, and sunfire ;_;

[cursive pagoda]

Think I decided to not cat weave for now and learn it after I have gotten comfortable with the actual healing aspect of resto

Still will go into cat to pop hotw though

[main timber]

If you haven't even done non-timewalking dungeons yet then just focus on learning to heal well

[west topaz]

you can just bite people at max combo then shift back out with a heal

[main timber]

You are maybe 100hrs of gameplay away from any of this mattering

[cursive pagoda]

Yeah healer damage isn’t necessary for the level of keys I plan to do rn

[main timber]

You will never memorize the entire spec in one go, better to just play some max level dungeons and build some intuition with the spec

[cursive pagoda]

Yeah, I’m also weird and leveled a ton of healers to try them out

[ivory ember]

Can someone explain how Everbloom works like I'm a dummy?

[cursive pagoda]

So I have a lot to juggle, but I think it’s good to learn a few healers over just going hard into one

Maybe I’m wrong but idk

[main timber]

it's fine to play a few to see which one you like more yeah - just don't get bogged down by smaller details before you have had time to practice the larger spec gameplay

[rustic copper]

You need 500 hours in rdruid before you can have an opinion

[main timber]

At least hit max level!

[west topaz]

rank 1: lifebloom heal gooder, rank 2: lifebloom heal gooder aoe splashy, rank 3: lifebloom heal gooder when you're swiftmend -> using up soul of the forest buff like you're supposed to

[cursive pagoda]

lol

[west topaz]

you dont have to think about everbloom honestly

it plays itself

[solar hollow]

did they remove NS buffing the heals from convoke?

[thorn plover]

Keep lifebloom up 100% of the time

And you win

[west topaz]

yea just make sure LB is up all the time

win game

[main timber]

Yes apparently so

[thorn plover]

Yes it doesn't work anymore

[cursive pagoda]

Yeah it’s taking forever because I got busy when reset happened, I’ll probably grind it out when I get home today

[fair lava]

damn it was good while it lasted

[cursive pagoda]

I will say even though I’m uncomfortable with the class still, the thematic and stuff is super sick. I’m really into the talents and spells too

[fair lava]

you will get more comfortable with more reps

[glass crane]

why doesn't doc proc sym relationship

[main timber]

I don't know, it probably should but it's also unlikely to be fixed

[kind star]

Just gotta spam dungeons for those last 2 levels, cant wait to eventually actually play the game

[frosty merlin]

feature not bug working as intended

[junior ginkgo]

This has probably been asked 10000 times, but do we have a link for the new raid build?

[clever remnant]

i like the new build (chimaerus myth)

[main timber]

It's on wowhead / IV

[dry valve]

[junior ginkgo]

this one? https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/druid/restoration/talent-builds-pve-healer

[plain sun]

can u share ur talent plz ?

[main timber]

That's the one

[clever remnant]

just the wowhead raid build

[plain sun]

ok thx 🙂

[weary void]

Is it a big HPS loss to go keeper for m+ for the caster dmg buff? Should I just go WS with sunfire etc specced? thx

[kind star]

yall are godsend to be patient with all those repeat question or those that are very easily answered with pins/faq.

[glass crane]

is there a realistic breakpoint where we would take durability of nature over power of nature for m+?

[junior ginkgo]

thank you!

[hardy canopy]

it is

[rugged lodge]

Do we play Keeper of the Grove over Wildstalker in m+ now?

[celest kraken]

Is boomkin really better than catweaving now in M+?

[crude basin]

Do we switch to moonkin to hit hotw or do we still use cat?

[main timber]

Yes or we wouldn't have swapped the guides to it!

[celest kraken]

Rip..time for a new healer class

[west topaz]

we dont actually owl shift

[main timber]

FWIW Resto Shaman can't catweave either

[west topaz]

as stated

[celest kraken]

But shaman also has not to use a shitty chicken for dmg

[finite narwhal]

Ghost wolf doesn't count?

[main timber]

You dont have to use chicken here either

[crude basin]

I mean strictly for hotw

[glass crane]

voulk stop getting baited and answer my question

[crude basin]

Or is it still just a cat button

[main timber]

use Cat on single target, do whatever when there's 100 mobs

[crude basin]

Gotcha

[violet parrot]

boomie time

[main timber]

Hmm what kind of breakpoint did you have in mind. One buffs Apex so I doubt the other one ever wins

[west topaz]

cat got so untalented it's just shred and hotw and bite

[glass crane]

they both buff apex

guardians buff everything, 2 more seconds of guardians is an everything bufff

[main timber]

Sure but the number on it is so much lower

[wraith compass]

Boomie with Wildtalker or boomie with Keeper?

[glass crane]

yes and therein lies the original question

[main timber]

Does HotG buff DoC? Did you test that?

[glass crane]

I didn't but I highly doubt it

psure that's just a straight dmg->healing conversion

[main timber]

Yeah that's how it usually works but you never know

Do you hvae a log? I can do a quick check in a bit but I doubt DoN comes close

[glass crane]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fnQLMWxmvBzgYqA8?fight=9&type=healing&source=4

[grand herald]

WS is more healing kotg is more damage

[main timber]

Yeah DoN* probably not going to be better

[quasi stirrup]

guys we play apex talents in raid now or no?

[wraith compass]

thank u ^^

[main timber]

Yes

[open gulch]

what dungeon should I use roll on?

[quasi stirrup]

can some1 share the raid talents if its possible

[main timber]

They are on wowhead or icy veins

[grand herald]

Check pretty much any guide

[quasi stirrup]

wait we play wildstalker in raid also?

[ornate pollen]

still looking for a way to turn off the everbloom supernova visual

[cursive pilot]

Yes take a look at updated wowhead on hows and whys

[west topaz]

is this just preference pick for m+ ?

[cursive pilot]

Yes

[west topaz]

ok i like both

[thorn plover]

Charge is so nice tho

[cursive pilot]

Pick both

[west topaz]

lol

[ornate pollen]

wild charge has some good tech though

[west topaz]

we can't have both

yea

[hardy canopy]

i find myself using friendly wild charge a lot to reposition

[west topaz]

im melee-brain so im already positioned well i guess

hpal habit

[hardy canopy]

sometimes being in melee is not always the smartest choice

[west topaz]

ya

i use the bear charge/cat leap :3c

it's the least i can do after they got rid of our interrupt

[mild granite]

wasnt convoke 45 secs if talented before the patch?

[sour reef]

what is the best dmg rota now ? on resto ?

in m+?

[kind star]

#resto message

[thorn plover]

With control of the dream, but not every convoke

[mild granite]

ty

[quasi stirrup]

guys whats the healing rota lookin like for new raid talents? cant find decent info in wowhead

we ramp up the lifebloom target then consume sotf when damage happens or?

[tidal lynx]

I have trouble using wild charge

[rustic olive]

In what?

[tidal lynx]

Maybe I just tigers lust

[grand herald]

It hasnt changed

Dropping LB or LB persons hots is just more punishing

[tidal lynx]

Wowhead has the most up to date info.

It’s written by the legendary archdruid voulk

[grave quail]

I think torty is on to something with 2 min convoke

[crimson inlet]

as of the patch, I cant see debuffs on my frames anymore. Usually I get a green teardrop for poison or blue spiral etc, any way to get these back?

[west topaz]

it kinda helps if you make 3 macros for wild charge just to put it on different forms so you get big macro text that says what it does lol

like if you're newb

then you're like 'OH I CAN FLY THERE'

[grand herald]

I like going very fast with tiger dash

[oak garnet]

Been rocking a cancel form mousover friendly wild charge macro forever it's clutch in m+

Not playing wild charge in keys is trolling

[west topaz]

ya

[oak garnet]

If you utilize it well

[west topaz]

the sprint is already good enough and you're already fast anyway

with shit like the barkskin and the forestwalk or w/e

i like it for raid too, i dont really need to be sprinting at mach 10

[grand herald]

Ive never felt ive needed wild charge for anything

[oak garnet]

Not to mention you have to be a cat to get value out of one while the other is best used in humanoid

[grand herald]

Tiger dash handles all my needs well

[oak garnet]

Perfect example orc boss WRS

[west topaz]

i like wild charge flying into ally so i can grab their orb affix

[oak garnet]

That being said it's a preference pick. I just would never drop wc

[jaunty bay]

I take wild charge just because I don't trust my dps to save me in Skyreach

[violet parrot]

^

[wise galleon]

I never wild charge in normal form I always swap to travel form for some reason

Its more reliable

[cursive pagoda]

I’m thinking I might just do tiger dash

It’s very nice and has a decently short cd

I just think I’ll get more use out of that compared to WC, although wc is much more versatile

[agile bay]

Is there a good way for us to sim as healers?

[west topaz]

qelive

[thorn plover]

QELive

[agile bay]

Thank you

[oak garnet]

if youre playing DoC would it change your stat prio some? wouldnt vers be a lot better?

[inner wadi]

Tiger Dash has helped me out soooo many times.

[ornate pollen]

I was thinking about swapping some mastery to vers for kotg, but I hate it so much I think I'll just quit instead

[rugged lodge]

Is mage food the best for m+?

[west topaz]

yea but im just eating that bread shit from the inn lmao

cause mages are jerks who dont always drop table

[jaunty bay]

Yeah you can just queue into a follower dungeon... The Mage NPC will make the table... then just leave

@west topaz

[west topaz]

oh true

[proven wyvern]

Anything big and flashy addon wise that helps me track pandemic/lifebloom time? I just need a big icon or something that flashes when to refresh

[west topaz]

ive like barely done those so i dont think about it

[jaunty bay]

Yeah same seen a twitch streamer doing it this week thought it was genius lmao

[west topaz]

idk i set up arcUI so all my cdm stuff is flashier, bigger, greener glowier, w/e

[agile bay]

Lifebloom Tracker

[west topaz]

active effect, inactive effect, whatever you want

that also

but if you're on danders you gotta make your own glow too

if harrek's advanced raidframes then lb tracker also works

[agile bay]

It plays a sound when you have 3 seconds left on it too if you want

[proven wyvern]

Love it, thanks all.

Real MVPs.

[strong copper]

Is there an easy way to remove movement speed debuffs like shifting into a form and instantly cancelling the form with a macro ? For m+

[west topaz]

i miss Cell

i dont like the cell forks, they still break

[jaunty bay]

/cancelaura [Buff Name]

I believe

Ohhh wait you mean debuff im dumb

[agile bay]

Is ArcUi kind of like weak auras?

[west topaz]

it is basically what people are using rn yea but it's really just enhanced cdm

that and you go pick whatever resource bar you want, like sensei's or twintop's

then your mana bar in middle of screen turns into energy or w/e

[thorn plover]

LifebloomAlert

[whole horizon]

yes, /cancelform

[topaz nest]

there's no way to do it offgcd but for example if you bearform right before chains of subjugation goes out, you can insta cancel it by starting a wild growth

[west topaz]

yea forms enforce a gcd so you might as well just heal to shift back out

like refreshing LB works

[whole horizon]

no, you can /cancelform and dodge the tick of dmg if youre fast enough

stop spreading lies

[topaz nest]

[strong copper]

This is the answer I was looking for. Sometimes it’s not predictable when it’s happening like the blue debuff in PIT

[whole horizon]

cancelform is instant

off gcd, if you are shapeshifted it takes you out of form and removes snares and roots

[topaz nest]

yes and it implies you paid a gcd earlier for shifting

Are we not making the same point here

[whole horizon]

no, because if you shapeshift and try to go back to caster by pressing a healing spell, you have to wait for the entire gcd

but if you shapeshift you can cancelform without waiting for the gcd and potentially dodge ticks of damage if they happen right as you shift

[west topaz]

then it's just one button macro bear form then /cancelform

[topaz nest]

aight sure that seems reasonable

[celest ice]

https://gyazo.com/456797fe2eafe4b72c05cb09c2fda33a got kicked with note: healer issue

[tough portal]

Tough

[livid hearth]

can i only roll on a boss once? If i have 2 rolls can i use both on same boss?

[grizzled seal]

@bright swift I am speccing MS

😄

[bright swift]

XD

[pulsar kettle]

raid rolls cost 2 currency.

[bright swift]

What happened to your idea that you never need it

[pine coyote]

dps players are another breed

[livid hearth]

yeah couldnt use on a boss i wanted as it required me to kill some bosses first this week

so ill have 2 next week if i dont use it something else this week

[pulsar kettle]

i have no idea then

[livid hearth]

wondering if i save it for next week i can use twice on same item

[pulsar kettle]

youd have to kill the boss twice.

[livid hearth]

im raidlocked once per week

on heroic

[pulsar kettle]

yes im saying youd need to kill the boss twice at a minimum to use both rolls

you dont get to dump all your rolls at once

[livid hearth]

ok cant use twice on single kill

ok ty

[pulsar kettle]

atleast u cant in keys idk

check back next week when we have 4 rolls

[dim pike]

For grid2, the update today seemingly added the "border" color for dispels - poison is green, magic is blue, etc. I hate that - anyone know where in grid2 that setting is? Can't find it, and the default blizzard setting remains unchecked.

[thorn plover]

🧐

[rustic copper]

He’s weak

[cursive pilot]

Moms spaghetti

[west topaz]

usually you have to go to border in your settings and uncheck the dispels from the priority list

like if they ended up adding it in there

[bright swift]

big yapper

[west topaz]

if not then idk

[rigid frigate]

Have all hots on you 100% of the time, watch your hps be massive

[gentle nova]

Pressing more rejuvs is more hps

[slender gust]

Other than the 4 tier pieces, are there any slots that would be troll to craft in just to fix ilvl/bad pieces?

Or is doing a myth craft just to fix ilvl for a low off piece basically always good

[waxen ingot]

Short term its always good

long term u want in on slots that u wont replace

but like soon you will just be able to craft w/e u want

[grizzled seal]

Can't heal and do mechanics

[distant cedar]

Hi! can anyone tell me why my mouseover macro is not working:

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover] Rejuvenation;Rejuvenation

[grizzled seal]

Your keybind is on the mouse

[distant cedar]

ah! thats it, thanks

[oak garnet]

add an exists

to the end of mouseover

[grizzled seal]

No, it's mouse keybind lol

[polar lichen]

do most people here use mouseover macros for basic healing spells or click casting addons

I need my expectations recalibrated

[oak garnet]

i use clique mostly bc im lazy

and have some macros as well

[thorn plover]

Recently switched from mouseover macros to clicked, and man I regret not doing it sooner

[spark river]

Some use mouseover macros, some use the mouseover from blizzard, some use clique or clicked

[slender gust]

My mirror Druid is looking very sad and I’m about to pick up a second raid, so I was going to send a bunch of crafts this week. This raid will hopefully kill dragons, so I’ll have the cloak available to me. So is boots, belt or wrists a better 2nd embellish slot under the assumption that we kill 5 Mythic bosses by the end of the tier?

[spark river]

I use blizzards mouseovers

[slender gust]

I’m the world’s biggest Clicked shill. squishes got me on it back in DF and I am never going back if I can help it

[split knot]

qq is there a better way for mana regen in dungeons other than eating food? I am thinking about queuing follower dungeons for free mage table but if there’s a cheaper food or item I would rather do that since it persists through sessions

[polar lichen]

sanguinthorn tea or w/e it's called is decently cheap

[slender gust]

I just use the mana food from the innkeepers and it’s fine enough.

[hearty coral]

Sanguithorn tea Is OP stacks to 1000 and is cheap

[polar lichen]

they stripped the mana regen from the vendor food I used ;_;

[split knot]

Beautiful thanks

[rustic copper]

Old

[vivid elbow]

also with ms u barely need to drink now

[glossy rose]

what would the macro be to target a friendly healing crystal on lura

if there is one

[polar lichen]

what's that food called?

[thorn plover]

Care on inn food now, half of it doesn't restore mana

[jaunty bay]

mage table food is best for mana regen I believe the regen for mage food starts sooner

[thorn plover]

Follower dungeon mage food is best

[tacit shadow]

is cell working fine for raid healing?

[spark river]

no lol

[thorn plover]

No

[tacit shadow]

any prefered frames?

[thorn plover]

Danders or Grid2

Both good

[jaunty bay]

tried Danders for the first time couple days ago really loving it

[thorn plover]

Danders definitely easier to set up how you want it

Very good UX. Grid maybe a bit more robust coding but I've not had any issues with Danders.

[spark river]

dont download grid2 unless you re an absolute demon

[west topaz]

grid2 is og, danders is just temu cell but it's what we have

[jaunty bay]

Danders feels more modern it reminds me of when everyone started using details instead of recount

[tacit shadow]

maybe I should go back to danders, tried it out during cosmos prog and went back to elvui

xd

[worn marsh]

Anyone else having mana issues now? :P maybe I am casting too little regrowths

[tacit shadow]

boomie main beeing bullied into healing

[spark river]

your poor play will expose your mana more now definitely

But you have ms now

[worn marsh]

do we go ms even?

[spark river]

not on shorter fights

[rustic copper]

In raid?

[thorn plover]

I'm not playing ms in raid and not having issues

[worn marsh]

ye we are on dragons atm

[spark river]

Im fine until 7 min

[thorn plover]

Definitely don't need ms on dragons

[rustic copper]

You are playing vi?

[worn marsh]

yis, but i am not runnigng ms, just embrace of the dream

do I swap it if I am struggling with mana or na

[thorn plover]

You're not casting enough regrowth/casting too much wildgrowth

[rustic copper]

You should swiftmend yourself on cd and use procs in rejuv

And press lots of regrowth

[jaunty bay]

Be sure to really make use of the reduced mana cost during tree to spread your rejuvs, especially tracking the reforestion timings

[wise galleon]

with cat form I had an extra bar of keybindings, owl weaving keybindings painful

[spark river]

tree huh

brother what year is it

[thorn plover]

We don't take tree anymore

[hasty blade]

Reforest huh

[jaunty bay]

tree is fun

[worn marsh]

do I still NS then convoke?

[spark river]

doesnt work anymore

[worn marsh]

oh ty

I miss my MS, but will just git gud

[neat dust]

Vrocas have an addon (i think) that let appear lifebloom on his cursor. You know what that Is? I tried find something online but cant

[spark river]

lifebloomalert

its purrs addon

[keen raven]

The 18 bottleneck is nuts I’ve applied to maybe 50 keys and haven’t been invited a single time

[jaunty bay]

Do people still use Harmonious Blooming for M+?

[neat dust]

thank you!

[west topaz]

i like how lb is so important we're just making like a billion alerts

[oak garnet]

Unless you're 3600+/282+ prepare to be met with scrutiny

[gentle nova]

do i need icons or names on these

i cant think of a reason

[fair lava]

hahahaha nice

just put a blindfold on

[wary belfry]

id show the tanks at least

[oak garnet]

I just play w abbreviated names like 3 letters

[spark river]

dispells could be random without names

[gentle nova]

true

[crisp talon]

Just don't dispell then

[gentle nova]

true

[gentle nova]

can i just make tank icons show?

im so noob at grid

[oak garnet]

Yeah search for role

Im guessing

[gentle nova]

but that puts all roles

[oak garnet]

True yeah prob not just tanks

[wary belfry]

I only show tank/healer, iirc it is in role status one of the options in there

[thorn whale]

"external on X"

uhhhhh

[keen raven]

😭

[rustic copper]

Who cares

Every time anyone says external on x they get 6 externals

Just pretend it’s on cd

No one can check

[crisp talon]

Did we find any way to track lifebloom pandemic on cursor ?

[glossy rose]

when are people usin vaelgor

[cursive pagoda]

wait its only for the final bloom?

[glossy rose]

just with tranq and then on cd randomly

[cursive pagoda]

thought it was all of lifebloom splashing

still strong?

[rustic copper]

It got nerfed

[cursive pagoda]

when?

[proven phoenix]

it got buffed actually

its good

just trust

[cursive pagoda]

yeah i thought the 6 target thing was a buff

but it made it only for the final bloom?

[proven phoenix]

yes but the final bloom happens often

[cursive pagoda]

oh really?

[proven phoenix]

its annoying to explain but photo and blooming frenzy (apex capstone) are all technically "final blooms"

[cursive pagoda]

photo is considered one? oh thats nice

[proven phoenix]

yeah

put lb on your charcter with a bunch of hots, every time you see a little green explosion

[cursive pagoda]

the hot part is almost negligable atp then right?

[proven phoenix]

thats the apex working

[gentle nova]

@grizzled seal

this build is crazy

btw

[proven phoenix]

no the hot is still significant

I value lb hot

[gentle nova]

and its so fun lmfao

[cursive pagoda]

oh ok

would be cool if the whole thing splashed, but its already such an easy ability to maintain

[rustic copper]

What are you playing

[proven phoenix]

it would be way too strong if the whole thing did, the apex is already so strong

[cursive pagoda]

they probably dont want the one ability to be able to do all of your healing in content lol