resto

[cursive pilot]

Get that shit

[muted thicket]

Quick Question : Are we going to extend LB target with SM or do we let it run out and refresh on pandamic timer?

[drifting timber]

few questions, when wow analyzer says im clipping Rejuv's at what point am i re-applying the hot? is it when thre's a lot of time left on the HOT?

Second question: when ramping and then dumping, do i throw out RG's when stacks are high even if Reju'v have fallen off playerS? I know we want to prio RG on players with REjuv.

Third question: whats the best time to re-apply LB? obv before it falls off but like 3 seconds before? 2? I found myself on this kill couple times (and other bosses) that i'm casting SW when it's at 3sec or less barely extending so i SM then LB which feels backwards.

This is my log, and wow analyzer gave me some info but i think because i had lifebloom on myself for this kill and had to run outta group a ton i was getting low up time. Any feedback helps ty smart players!

[eternal bough]

just curious on what should i reroll ?

[vivid owl]

yeah exactly, no joke a warrior guildie was like "if i pugged it and a healer got that trinket i would be so pissed" - lootgoblin opinion btw

[cursive pilot]

Wow head has some suggestion, also can try upgrade finder on qe live

[leaden fjord]

SM the LB target

[cursive pilot]

Rng skill issue

[eternal bough]

ty

[leaden fjord]

You should have a bunch of other hots on them too, and it gives symbiotic growths

[molten crater]

Wait, so does our rotation even really change? Is this just a net buff?

[muted thicket]

Another dumb question : For Minmaxing, does it make sense to let run out LB mid DMG Events for the final bloom or it is w/e?

[thorn plover]

1. yes there is still more than pandemic left when you refreshed rejuv
2. yes press regrowth if your stacks are high, down til it's at like 6.
3. below 4.5s, extend with swiftmend whenever possible

[thorn plover]

Never let it run out. Final bloom happens when you refresh below 4.5s

[dawn cosmos]

so are people really ditching out on cat abilities and going full on magic boom type of thing

[fierce isle]

Sadly

I don’t enjoy the long hardcast gameplay

[blissful apex]

Can you dm me region char name and realm please

[molten gull]

does anyone else find it a bit awkard knowing when to hit haste cooldowns? idk why but the fact that a lot of our kit is instant cast makes haste feel weird but i think maybe thats just a mental block for me?

[fierce isle]

You don’t go chicken to cast though. Not worth

[drifting timber]

is there way with LBT addon to signal like 5 seconds or something?

[dawn cosmos]

@fierce isle id just take fluid form and yolo

[thorn plover]

Yes. /LBA options, you can set a custom time

[molten gull]

how do i dm if you're not on my friends list im not good at discord

[plain steeple]

100% LB uptime or play shaman.

[fierce isle]

Haste is also increasing the rate of your hot ticks so it’s not wasted

[wide bison]

why?

[muted thicket]

Ok

[molten gull]

idk maybe im cooked

[fierce isle]

You don’t want to be in chicken when you’re casting starfire. You lose the haste lycara buff

[dawn cosmos]

ah ur right totally forgot ab that

[wide bison]

You need haste for Hot faster

xd

[vivid owl]

oh yeah its owlweaving time, i have actually only ever catweaved so this shall be interesting. what is the rotation in moonkin then for resto?

are we dotting the packs, or cleaving or

[dawn cosmos]

@vivid owl one dot is spread

[harsh quail]

the rotation starts with not going into moonkin

[dawn cosmos]

so u just dot and spam i reckon

[thorn plover]

#resto message

[vivid owl]

(i know how to play moonkin but just wondering what it will be in resto)

[fierce isle]

Don’t go owl. Cast starfire. Cast dots only when you’re moving.

[thorn plover]

I linked you the DPS guide

Only clarification needed there is don't take fluid form and don't go moonkin form

[drifting timber]

anybody elses domino's f'd up since patch? if i move the bar those lines move so i'm assuming its dominos

[grizzled kayak]

What about master shapeshifter? Are we also still taking innervate?

[main timber]

The builds on WH / IV are updated

[thorn plover]

In m+? Yes MS no innervate

[eternal bough]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Zumjara
need help on what to use rolls im noob at gearing

[spark river]

Dominos for me are fine

[grizzled kayak]

I’d save it for a raid trinket to replace HotW

[naive chasm]

People thought we'd be owlweaving but we're just weaving 🙁

[fierce isle]

Wowhead has recommendations

[eternal bough]

i have all trinkets in game

[lean wedge]

Has anyone thought of running the double swiftmend talent? I know it removes a hot and doesn't extend, but it prioritizes the apex talent healing. Maybe too much time and mana lost in the process of having to reapply hots would be the reason it's still "not good"?

[fierce isle]

ALL THE TRINKETS

[thorn plover]

Extending 5 hots is better

[grizzled kayak]

Why you still using hotw there are some better options

[lean wedge]

Have you tested? Or just your assumption?

[thorn plover]

Math

[eternal bough]

for m+ i find hotw good

[wise galleon]

I have not understood the secret tech, also do we always want to be boomkin form when owlweaving?

[thorn plover]

No boomkin form

[eternal bough]

yes all

[thorn plover]

We only take it as a path to sunfire

And you only cast Sunfire when moving

[grizzled kayak]

I find ribbon scale so much better

How much haste you have

[lean wedge]

Show math lol

[autumn mist]

What form should we be in for Heart of the Wild for max damage? I assume for that we go boomy briefly?

[wise galleon]

Oki, is sunfire wortse then wrath in st too? We just sungire if we gotta dodge something and we are moving aswell

[fierce isle]

Now you need to level up and get all trinkets at myth level

[eternal bough]

1077

[thorn plover]

Yes Sunfire is just bad

[sinful zephyr]

Show me yours and ill show you mine...lol

[thorn plover]

Cat

[fierce isle]

Only use sunfire when moving

[rustic copper]

There is no math

Just feelings

[autumn mist]

Still? Is the boomy version just trash?

[rustic copper]

Don’t get it twisted

[thorn plover]

Yes

[autumn mist]

roger, ty!

[wise galleon]

I prefer catweaving a ton but finally it will be fun to do the first algethar pull. So painful to waste 2 gcd to use HoW

[lean wedge]

I asked first

[lean wedge]

Amen brother

[idle lake]

is it just me or does moonfire do absolutely nothing

[wise galleon]

Nvm, HoW is off the gcd?

[eternal bough]

i dont know if i should follow that in m+

[main timber]

You have been around a while now so you know all of our resources

[thorn plover]

2 of those trinkets are farmable

[main timber]

Trinket popularity mid-season is useless

[thorn plover]

Which will make them more popular

[main timber]

Wow the trinkets that drop in M+ are popular in M+

I wonder if there is an availability issue there

[naive chasm]

Fake news

[eternal bough]

i have all trinkets in game till now i dont find the best combination and dont tell me sim c it xD
this in raid

[grizzled kayak]

Those people were using that because they didn’t have gaze or ribbon lol

[main timber]

You should though, it will tell you how much stats each trinket gives you

[torn thunder]

Don’t tell you to sim it? Why not?

[sinful zephyr]

Onltly shows that you can do 20s with every trinket actually

[main timber]

Stop posting bad statistics

[naive chasm]

"Tell me what is best, but don't use maths or logic"

[main timber]

Right, I am not sure what you even want to hear at this point

[eternal bough]

i just want to know your opinion on whats the best trinkets for raid and m+ ? till now simple

everybody are using them from 1 month now

[main timber]

My opinion matches the QE Live chart

[torn thunder]

Which ever sims best for you

[eternal bough]

nobody knows what is best combio ?

[main timber]

We all know how to pick trinkets, you are just not convinced

[eternal bough]

im not talking about piicking

[main timber]

So I am not sure how to help you

[wise galleon]

If you run raids probaly you get chances to get raid trinkets, if you run M+ you dont necessarily do raid or prioritize raiding so you dont get those trinkets

[main timber]

The best trinkets are Gaze / Ribbon in raid

[grizzled kayak]

It depends on your stats zum there is not such a thing as best

[eternal bough]

you understand my logic ?
1 month now and we have to sim it to know what is the ebst combo ?

[grizzled kayak]

The one that scale best are ribbon and gaze

[half star]

Raid -

[torn thunder]

Ok troll bait jeez

[half star]

Dungeons -

[main timber]

That's how WoW works. You will still be simming it on week 50 too

[eternal bough]

^^

[eternal bough]

ty

[half star]

(this is from QE which you are being told to use fwiw)

[idle lake]

you know these are obtained by simming

yea

[eternal bough]

y

[main timber]

Chart has never looked better

[eternal bough]

got it ty guys

[sweet terrace]

keep going

[lean wedge]

@main timber I am still seeing old site with green/yellow/orange bars. Do I need to clear cache or something to get new numbers n stuff?

QE Live

Holy fuck a reload did it >.<

I'm an idiot

[trim brook]

I'm fairly new to healing in general. This guide seems to imply we are casting Flourish, but isn't this a passive for Tranq?

[thorn plover]

Why IT asks "did you restart it" first every time

[main timber]

I have tech coming that will prompt you to reload

[wise galleon]

QE live is advising me to get avoidance enchants instead of leech for M+, what is the consensus on enchants for M+?

[torn thunder]

@trim brook it is baked into tranq

[main timber]

That's just a UI profile link. Use wowhead / IV for guides right now

[half star]

Looks good

[eternal bough]

thx

[grizzled kayak]

Purr any news about the lba sound alert?

[tame galleon]

I sure love playing windstanker now. Spices it up.

[thorn plover]

I have a UX dev working on it allegedly

[grizzled kayak]

👍🏼

[lean wedge]

You're a g

[somber plinth]

Does having two rdruids in raid cannabilize or is it ok to run?

[main timber]

It's fine

[grizzled kayak]

It’s ok

[main timber]

And probably best comp for L'ura

[somber plinth]

Thx

[rustic copper]

The best comp for l’ura is 3 rdruids no other healers

[main timber]

lmfao

[edgy oxide]

I'm really torn on where to use my tokens. I got the chest from npx on myth so i doesn't feel very worth.
Is there another boss/dungeon that is a good alternative?

[wise galleon]

Sim upgrade finder max ilvl and check for the dungeon that gives the most amount of upgrades (id say but im white name)

[wary summit]

So Starfire is bugged to do more damage than intended for secondary targets?

[main timber]

Correct

I reported it weeks ago but didn't hear back

[thorn plover]

It will get fixed in 2 expansions

As is tradition

Probably on a random Sunday night

[lean wedge]

How much are people pulling (DPS wise) on average in dungeons with owlweaving? I feel like it's maybe only slightly better than catweaving unless I am playing it wrong (keep sunfire up into starfire spam for 2+ target and wrath spam for 1 target).

[main timber]

Are you casting Moonfire / Starsurge single target too?

[lean wedge]

Yes

[main timber]

Also Sunfire isn't mandatory, Starfire is better if you can plant

[thorn plover]

Finished a +15 last night around 35k. Face was doing a lot.more than that

[main timber]

Keeper will do a bit more too

[thorn plover]

I also didn't cast hotw in cat which lost me a bit for sure

[dawn cosmos]

@eternal bough for me for ex i have gaze hc and champ ribbon and hc heart and it said gaze hc and heart, u got sim but ideally 2 higher ilvl between these 3 wins

[sinful zephyr]

Have tou use moonfire at all?

[drifting parrot]

im having a hard time deciding where to spend my voidecores, i do m+ mainly and H raid - but focused more on m+

[thorn plover]

If I'm moving I'll press it but no

[drifting parrot]

should i target H gaze/ribbon or like...the staff/chest from xenas

im also very dumb

[thorn plover]

Im not trying to optimize my damage at all, just pressing Starfire

[lean wedge]

Just save them for now as people flesh out the best/most optimal way to use them. No rush at all. Also, it depends on what you have.

[drifting parrot]

yeah, im using H heart of wind trinket, champ vaegors stare, and H tier chest/ crafted staff 285

and im about to craft a belt

[woven mango]

@thorn plover Found a fix to tts so it actually works without listening to everyones sound effects, nsrt has an option to mute all sound effects except tts it seems

[thorn plover]

Ill look into it. Ty

[woven mango]

[rustic copper]

Playing without sound is crazy im ngl

[lean wedge]

I mean, if you're going after gaze, you might want to hold off of belt since you can potentially get one from m chim on your way to getting gaze:

Scorn-Scarred Shul'ka's Belt - https://www.wowhead.com/item=249374/scorn-scarred-shulkas-belt?bonus=13578

@drifting parrot

[primal oak]

Hey guys, not sure if this is the correct place to ask but I'm struggeling a lot with setting up my UI for raiding. My monitor is very small in height (~2160x1000) and if the group is bigger than 20 man my frames are tiny. It was kinda managable before the private aura stuff but now without being able to filter those buffs/debuffs my UI gets cluttered so much that I don't even want to play the game. Am I cooked and need to get a bigger monitor now?

[drifting parrot]

i dont mythic raid 🙁

[lean wedge]

Well regardless, it still drops a belt

[drifting parrot]

maybe i could pug mythic chim though

[lean wedge]

Oh, I see what you're saying, since crafted gets you to 285

Rather than 276 belt

[proven phoenix]

@rustic copper do you lb a crystal

[signal quarry]

question - Increased healing recieved, does that work with the 50% Healing cleaving from the new Apex talent change? for example, bark skin increasing healing taken by 20% would increase everblooms cleave healing to others by.. 20%?

[drifting parrot]

yeah exactlyyyy

i think i might just roll them in xenas

chest/gloves/boots are all upgrades

and staff

and call it a day

[lean wedge]

Yeah, up to you, but these questions are things you should think about. What you are going for, what also drops from that dungeon/boss and what you should target based on your current gear.

[cursive pilot]

tempted to use bonus at h lura

[drifting parrot]

i just want 3.4k lol

im at 3325

[woven mango]

I dont like it

[lean wedge]

Yeah, Xenas might be your best bet honestly. If literally everything is an upgrade just send coins on that dungeon and each time you're coming away with a new item that is good for you

[rustic copper]

I’m undecided

[proven phoenix]

I feel like our crystal healing is low

post mw nerf

[rustic copper]

It’s more crystal healing but it makes me sad

Then do it at least temporarily

[warm bronze]

is there a owlweaving damage prio somewhere pls :3

[gentle nova]

Rshaman uses slt on crystals

[deft oar]

What's the reason meekauras is broken? I want my lifebloom pandemic weakaura back

[gentle nova]

Instantly topped gg

[obsidian cloak]

I dont know why exactly but I feel my healing dropped after the patch is it only me ?

[proven phoenix]

no

or rather it is only you

[drifting parrot]

id also like to get myth tier pieces anyway for pvp

[marble geyser]

Hi guys I have two questions regarding itemization:

1. is replacing Mythic Emerald's Coach's Whistle with Mythic Heart of Wind worth it?
2. what is the best dungeon to bonus roll, Nexus? my weekly chests were miserable so I dont have much gear, I was also thinking about Seat for many set items

[proven phoenix]

healing went up significantly after patch

[obsidian cloak]

was there any changes talent wise?

[rustic copper]

The only change we got was a buff to apex

[vestal star]

Apex talent got massively buffed so if you’re not running that anymore you’ll notice a change

[rustic copper]

If you’re not running apex then you’re unchanged

[stuck tangle]

do we change talent for m+?

[proven phoenix]

@rustic copper im only lbing my bear now because their mastery is a healing amp which amps apex healing

[vestal star]

Sorry, a change compared to other rdruids

[lean wedge]

Numbers aside, how are people actually enjoying the change to the apex? I think it's fun to have a little burst each time you swiftmend (consume/use SOTF).

[proven phoenix]

it is completely meaningless gameplay wise

nothing really changes in raid

you do the same thing you did before

its just a lot more healing

[prime jacinth]

Yeah im definately noticing the healing after last night's raid

[deft oar]

Tech

[prime jacinth]

I was doing 138k hps on paladins which I never do lol

[proven phoenix]

ok well the caveat is that you need bear to actually b in range of the raid

for efflo and apex

tanks are usually pretty far from the raid on most bosses

[prime jacinth]

I lb myself in raid now

[gentle nova]

Doesnt bear mastery just count as a separate instance of their healing and not really as a healing amp

[deft oar]

Barkskin on CD for healing amp for everbloom

GG

[blissful apex]

Just another poke here to see if anyone had any dupe rolls

[little briar]

so is there a new raid talent tree?

[lean wedge]

wowhead

[blissful apex]

Wild stalker raid build on wowhead

[little briar]

nothings changed on wow head

[prime jacinth]

It did

[grand herald]

Yea it has

[lean wedge]

Yes it has

[blissful apex]

The new ws build

[prime jacinth]

Its ws for raid now

[proven phoenix]

cant have dupe rolls if I forgot to roll at all

[stiff rose]

Hello everyone, what is the name of the lifebloom addon that help to alert when in pandemic phase ? ^^

[blissful apex]

[blissful apex]

Lifebloomtracker

[little briar]

this?

[stray heart]

Hello, quick question about m+ is it ws or is keeper viable also atm?

[stiff rose]

Thanks ^^

[lean wedge]

@little briar https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/restoration/wildstalker/EASUAQUBEgVVVlFSBBBhQBRQVVUVVRFBEEUFFUHQCFUFFVVVUCRQ

This is new talent build

Which I believe is the one you linked

[little briar]

not using any of the new buffs or nothing to damage?

[lean wedge]

M+ or Raid brotha?

[little briar]

both

[lean wedge]

This is for raid and healing my man

[main timber]

In raid? No your damage doesn't matter

[lean wedge]

If you want damage, go look at others

[main timber]

If you want an M+ tree then that is also in the guide

[lean wedge]

Voulk has all of them out there bro

[sturdy swallow]

anyone have a workaround to this stupid bliz change changing TTS to the effects channel...

[rigid mirage]

Did they hoxfix the rerolls yet?

[lean wedge]

Cat form spells are only there to use HOTW, get 5 stacks, and dump for mana regen (I'd believe), that's why no boomy spells.

[fierce isle]

Here

[blissful apex]

Not yet

[little briar]

can someone link the build im putting that code in, saying invalid

[rigid mirage]

Kk ty

[fierce isle]

Just go to Wowhead buddy

[lean wedge]

Scroll up my man, I linked it

[stray heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952320365932183572/1011351643645804734/rjandwgbunny.gif

[eternal bough]

ok ty

[fierce isle]

Change that to lifebloom and swiftmend now :p

[undone sonnet]

are you gents lifeblooming the tank now to maximize bloom growth in raid?

[stray heart]

its a gif from wotlk classic 😛
also i just put it out bcus my message got lost in the chaos of the channel

[rustic copper]

How much is it

[prime jacinth]

Im lbing myself in raid now

[proven phoenix]

their mastery but mattiu is righgt I think it is just credited to them

the healing doesnt work off lb probably

[undone sonnet]

what were you doing before? lol

[prime jacinth]

Tank lol

I was running apexless though

[undone sonnet]

me too, ha. guess i was doing that part wrong =p

[wary quarry]

is it just me or for m+ dmg the ideal is now just "press starfire" it seems to bear multi dotting moonfires and until higher target counts even beats sunfire

on aoe obvs, hotw ST still seems great

[proven phoenix]

everything beats sunfire

that ability sucks

[wary quarry]

its a single press for mass dot tho

[prime jacinth]

I only use sunfire if I have to move

Outside of that just starfire

[wary quarry]

yeah seemed that way but felt wrong lol

[prime jacinth]

Starfire cleave is double dipping

[eternal bough]

hey guys i want to set up upgrade fineder of QE it's like this to set it ? or ?

[prime jacinth]

Its always better to just turret it

[rancid portal]

Hey guys quick Question. QE LIVE sim says I should take LURA HC Neck from Vault but I only have 29% haste already and I would even lose more then. Can I trust the SIM?

[hardy junco]

Socket angle? Worth picking one-hand if i got myth held in? I'm thinking if i wanna upgrade my gear with the new thingy isnt it 1 piece at the time?

that one-hand stats sucks ass tho

[hushed sand]

Wouldn't you prefer the voidcore?

[vivid owl]

oh interesting okay!

[still stirrup]

What do you guys think is best to go for the Bonus Rolls?
Set pieces to Myth Track?
At least then the gerollte issue wouldn’t matter

[rancid portal]

trinkets

[rustic copper]

Self bloom, don’t equip any items that are not haste and mastery

Everbloom 30k hps

[candid peak]

brand new character, would it be worth to roll on chimaerus for a trinket or 2x in m+ for myth gear

[bright swift]

their mastery does not work that way

it counts as their healing

[opaque scroll]

2x in m+ but not until the bleed is stopped

[hardy junco]

what do you mean? Is the voidcore a weapon itself? I'm not so up to date about it

@bright swift what talents should i run now in raid bro

[bright swift]

wowhead

[cursive pilot]

check wowhead

[cursive pilot]

this

socket waste

[hardy junco]

so they can bait me with the wrong talents just as in m+?

[still stirrup]

The ones shown in WoWhead BIS?
Is it the statboostor the effects?

[cursive pilot]

bait?

[candid peak]

m+ talents are diff from what big keyers are playing

idk why thats the case

[main timber]

Civilians when one singular talent is different

[hardy junco]

cuz wowhead talents are yikes for m+

[rancid portal]

look at QELIVE if you didnt know this homepage

[candid peak]

idk who's more right

[candid peak]

think its 3 different ones

[cursive pilot]

more right? make ur own decision from a base dawg

[main timber]

Its mostly just HB

[hardy junco]

but if vrocas says wowhead for raid i trust

[main timber]

And everyone in here will agree with the wowhead choice there

[crude nebula]

:.)

[real bronze]

Hey ! I was looking at new talent pages for raid healing, and i noticed that "wildstalker will always run convoke" is highlighted, is there a particular reason for it ?

[main timber]

But it also doesnt matter. You are worried about wowhead having one talent different when you can run 20s with either

[still stirrup]

Yeah, that’s what I’m using mostly, but wasnt sure because I thought it will kind of change a lot the next days

[grizzled seal]

You simply cannot heal windrunners spire +18 with my group without harmonious blooming

[hardy junco]

@main timber i think you will def notice the wowhead talent diff already at 17s buddy

[grizzled seal]

(for all Germans and m+ mains this message is sarcasm)

[main timber]

There are many people in here running higher keys than that with wowhead build

You should learn what your talents actually do

[proven phoenix]

lmao

[main timber]

Stop whining about a talent being different and work on your gameplay

[proven phoenix]

I love the talent discussions man

[candid peak]

thats so weird to say ngl

[hardy junco]

I do know the difference, and adjust my gameplay towards its also, and running the ones Vikman told me to actually made my life easier asf, but if wowhead is correct for raid i'll take it. but might differ for m+, all im saying

[grizzled seal]

Harmonious blooming is only powerful in 17-18 range in dungeons that are located in Eversong Woods and Zulaman

[rancid portal]

Can I trust the QELIVE sims? Because I am already low on hase (29%) and it shows me to take the LURA HC Neck

[proven phoenix]

why is that weird to say.....

talents, especially one single talent choice is incredibly minor

[main timber]

Yes but you can post reports here if you want us to comment

[proven phoenix]

people look at talents because its the most convenient way they think they can fix their healing or w/e other problem

[west topaz]

jesus christ i thought the dk discord was uproar but it turns out even the hunters are mad about MM being ruined

[proven phoenix]

same as stat changes

[west topaz]

oh my god this patch is terrible

[main timber]

Most of the time the report is quite obvious once we can see it

[rustic copper]

The neck is good

[hardy junco]

Issue is for me the healing was never a problem, i just realized during stream im using different talents and checked out why

[rustic copper]

I would be happy to bonus roll that neck

[proven phoenix]

@main timber did you see I auto pilot closed the reroll window on dragons

[cursive pilot]

talent issue skill issue

[proven phoenix]

and I just cant reroll now

[grizzled seal]

Lura heroic neck is incredibly overpowered. It has the same stats as mythic necks

[hardy junco]

But i can agree talents can be something people look at also to "correct" their healing

[grizzled seal]

The fuck are you coining dragons for man

[proven phoenix]

mythic hands, stare?

[main timber]

In general, and im not targeting this at you, people will look for anything that isn't improving their own gameplay

[proven phoenix]

what else am I going to coin

[wild gust]

is it worth putting lifebloom on someone else now or can i keep being lazy and keep it on myself in raid?

[main timber]

Even though that's the only way to improve

[proven phoenix]

I have gaze already and we're not doing alleria

I legit dont know what to coin

I have a bunch of crests maybe I just coin xenas

[grizzled seal]

Get me out of stare prison

[crude nebula]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/upgradereport/sycrjjircidu

[grizzled seal]

I fucking hate this trinket

[crude nebula]

should I craft ring this week?

[hardy junco]

agree

[bright swift]

i'm vibing

[grizzled seal]

Yeah that's worse than stare though

[fierce isle]

Did you drop tier shoulders? 😉

[wary quarry]

why not take fluid/moonkin, just automatic more dmg no?

[main timber]

Suffuser must be awful on druid now surely

Way too many healing events on yourself at 100% health

[kind star]

you lose 6% haste iirc from lycarras going into moonkin that gives mastery instead.

[sacred wasp]

stare is outdated, we say leer now

[vivid owl]

So we arent going into moonkin just starfiring and starsurging in normal form? (because of the haste)

[grizzled seal]

Idk ribbon looks insane on Lura anyway

Dmg only starts >2 mins in

[proven phoenix]

im going to coin heroic alleria

[grizzled seal]

Dmg is between 2-8 mins really

[echo token]

hey all, is it worth to keep joining pugs to improve your logs?

[lyric surge]

It could be haste + 4% magic damage

[bright swift]

that's what you think

[hardy junco]

amaghad we dropping reforestation??????

[bright swift]

i don't have to press a trinket

[hardy junco]

and no shapeshifter?

[grizzled seal]

Ok man

[rustic copper]

Yes I did

lol

[west topaz]

idk how im supposed to heal this tier if all my top dps friends are being fucked with 1000 bugs and lura itself is still buggy 🫣

[lyric surge]

idk how ppl are speccing, but there is the lycara's inspiration node for 4% magic damage in human form

[little briar]

are we not using fluid form for m+ ?

[main timber]

I imagine keeper will be more popular honestly

[grizzled seal]

Keeper is better in +10

[echo token]

hey guys, can i just keep pugging heroic raids to improve my parse?

[grizzled seal]

Big ups doc

Mw but worse

[proven phoenix]

whos going to stop you

[west topaz]

yea its a good test

[main timber]

Yeah there isnt a lock out

You just wont get loot

[echo token]

idk i've heard of stuff like lock out

ok ok

[main timber]

Mythic does have a lock

[echo token]

yeah that's fine i'm tyring to improve my logs to start mythic raiding eventually

[wary quarry]

how come?

[grizzled seal]

Because it's easy as fuck

That's how?

[sacred wasp]

asking for a friend u can't rekill a heroic boss to use your reroll token if u forgot to previously right

[candid peak]

because even if its a small diff, why wouldnt i wanna run the most optimal ones, or why would i not want to know the reason as to why something is worse or better you know

[grizzled seal]

What

[tame talon]

How does keeper vs stalker even differ gameplay wise

[grizzled seal]

It doesn't

They are exactly the same

Lmao

[wary quarry]

well that cleared nothing up but came across somewhat unhinged

[grizzled seal]

The only difference is passive effects, that's it

[grizzled seal]

Huh

[cursive pilot]

delv ring sim better than ommission, can skip NP coin

[grizzled seal]

How did it not clear things up?

It's easy and I don't care, so I just play keeper and spam starfire

Seems pretty self explanatory, no?

[wary quarry]

totally not unhinged i agree, my bad

[inland flax]

Do I take the leech staff and drop the twohanded crafted weapon?

[grizzled seal]

Ok are you always this aggressive when asking questions or just today

[tame talon]

Fair, I thought your message meant "keeper is easier" when you referred to +10s instead

[wary quarry]

im not being aggressive, i asked a question you just said fuck you it is essentially lol

[oblique talon]

Heys guys i need ur help pls 😮 277,25 gs, currently running hearth of wind+volatile void suffuser (both hero). vault: gaze of the alnseer (hero) or sethands (myth) - qe says 0,92% to 0,37% hands. its my first time simming my gear, should i just trust? is gaze just bugged (somewhere read about it) and they will nerf it? what u think? 🙂

[grizzled seal]

No I didn't

[wary quarry]

i said that didnt clear it up, you once more said, you are wrong it did clear it up lol

[grizzled seal]

Did you get offended cuz I used a swear word or what

[wary quarry]

so my bad, i get it now xD

[grizzled seal]

Like what is this

This is not a church, I can swear

[drowsy isle]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-eating-popcorn-popcorn-plankton-meme-plankton-yes-gif-18251234252356731757

[sacred wasp]

healing requirement is low in +10 so you go the hero spec that does more damage spamming starfire

[tight kernel]

kids, settle down

[sacred wasp]

that is the reasoning beyond its easy asf

[cursive pilot]

SIM it in QE Live

[wary quarry]

yeah that makes sense then, didnt know what he really meant - cheers

[strong cradle]

What do I play on mythic belo, keeper tree or WS convoke, this boss is so dogshit for druid I actually hate it

[inland flax]

I did, but the problem is just simming the vault is dropping the carfted staff without replacing it with another embelsihment

[grizzled seal]

[drifting parrot]

well i got the mythic corespark multitool with my voidcore 😄

[rigid mirage]

Big Grats

[grizzled seal]

Idk, it all looked bad to me. Genuinely the worst druid boss this tier

[gentle nova]

Ws tol

[strong cradle]

100%

[grizzled seal]

I'm gonna say big upside to tree is easier second p1 which is the hardest part of the boss

[rustic copper]

Ain’t no way

[grizzled seal]

You can run around in tree and soak orbs

[lament river]

what do we play in raids atm - KOTG ore WS?

[west topaz]

u_u we're gonna show up to raid night feeling strong and ready only for every dps friend to be tank damage this week

[rustic copper]

Post your beloren log

[cursive pilot]

doesnt show as this?

[gentle nova]

I played voke and shoildve played tol

[lament river]

Is it safe to use coins in raid atm ore is there issues like m+?

[grizzled seal]

convoke is a farm talent

[strong cradle]

Yeah I been progging it as tree atm but it still feels really bad, I recleared yesterday as WS convoke and it felt actually nice to heal everything with it in raid that I want to play it on belo. I just don't think convoke has good timings for this boss unless I go keeper

[cursive pilot]

only issue if u use it more than once

ppl get dupe cause using 2 rolls in same dungeon or something

[grizzled seal]

You cant heal any dmg on beloren but egg phase

and every spec wants to cd egg phase

[gentle nova]

2 min convoke has good timers :3

[oblique talon]

Heys guys i need ur help pls 😮 277,25 gs, currently running hearth of wind+volatile void suffuser (both hero). vault: gaze of the alnseer (hero) or sethands (myth) - qe says 0,92% to 0,37% hands. its my first time simming my gear, should i just trust? is gaze just bugged (somewhere read about it) and they will nerf it? should i just take the myth gear cause i think i dont gonna see myth raid? what u think? 🙂

[still jacinth]

anyone elses danders frames not showing all debuf timers on frames anymore? anything to do?

[astral folio]

For mythic raid - are we not taking reforestation over germi for example?

[wise galleon]

crazy, how can we check delve loot with coins?

[cursive pilot]

not gon see myth? gaze

[cursive pilot]

https://www.wowhead.com/currency=3356/untainted-mana-crystals#items;0+10+20

[wise galleon]

manual import?

[cursive pilot]

quite a few stuff in there

yeah

[fierce isle]

This hero ring sims better than myth omission?

[wise galleon]

And its myth gear?

[cursive pilot]

wait a minte

[fierce isle]

No coining delves does not give myth gear

[gentle nova]

Theres a world u can take refo but you dont drop germ, you drop apex 4

I think its good on lura

[dense lantern]

unlucky

[tame talon]

welcome to direct api

[cursive pilot]

thats my fault, forgot shit drops myth

l0l

[fierce isle]

Coining gives you the vault equivalent for whatever content you’re doing. Max vault rank is 1/6 heroic from delves

[dense lantern]

bricked your character, gg go next

[inland flax]

Okay so I added a crafted belt with an embelishment to the sim and now the staff is the correct choice from the vault

[still jacinth]

the fuck is direct api

am i stuck like this

[tame talon]

yep

blizz doesnt like healers knowing whats doing damage

[fair shadow]

Does everyone get symbiotic growth when we wild growth

[gentle nova]

Could you imagine

[still jacinth]

does the normal blizzard frames work?

[tame talon]

no clue tbf

[opaque scroll]

I use default

[kind star]

if only we could change buffs size on default frame then I would consider using it, so garbo trying to track hots on default frame.

[lament river]

Is it safe to use coins in raid atm? according to loot table?

[prime jacinth]

You can

[grand herald]

You can?

[tame talon]

theres a buff scaling option but its for all buffs, no buff-by-buff adjustments

[grand herald]

I wouldnt

[kind star]

yeah fk that

should be a way to at least just do all our buffs/hots on their own

[cursive pilot]

why whats wrong with coin in raids rn

[kind star]

guess I aint playing till danders working then 🙁

[grand herald]

We dont know if the bug affecting dungeon rolls affects raid

[tame talon]

I mean it works

[grand herald]

Better to presume it does

[tame talon]

People will just randomly take rot dmg tho

[cursive pilot]

the dupe?

[true fjord]

whats going on with this nilhammer, some people in my guild have it, i dont but its showing its complete or w/e

[grand herald]

Yeah

[cursive pilot]

Heard that was due to people using 2 cores in same dungeon

[tough portal]

Just counting innit?
Renewing Surge and current tier both buffed Implant a little bit.
Twin Sprouts being a multiplier on the base procs got very nerfed from losing the set bonus from last season and losing tick rate amps (Flourish) during burst.

[cursive pilot]

cant do that in raid

[grand herald]

Can next week

[cursive pilot]

cant this week

[grand herald]

And if your roll and your item isnt added to the dupe protection list?

[cursive pilot]

world of gamba

[dense lantern]

dreamgrove.gg should have a decor duel guide I think

[grand herald]

Yeah, id rather just hold onto mine untill fix is confirmed

[muted thicket]

how is that lifebloom tracker addon called?

[grand herald]

Lifebloom alert

[tight kernel]

blizzard cooldown manager

[muted thicket]

where to find it? its not there on wago

[grand herald]

Curse?

[hasty blade]

How many seconds is our iron bark CD?

[obsidian lake]

What site has a good BIS list? They all vary obviously but I’d like to focus on one.

[dense lantern]

None

[gentle nova]

16 with rh 12 without, or if you mean cd its 1:30 without imp ib or 1:10 with

[grizzled seal]

@gentle nova @rustic copper I think 1 TV is bad

[gentle nova]

Idk i cant cast shit for the whole p1 and p2 anyway

[grizzled seal]

isnt 2nd TV just better

[fierce isle]

Are you playing 2 min voke and 2 TV?

[grizzled seal]

no

[solid cape]

Dear resto fellas,
I´ve jumped into this expansion rather late. Just started with some endgame content and farming +10 keys last reset. I have not gotten anything usefull out of the vault, but can craft 2 myth pieces now. With the new voidforge, i believe it would be best to use them on a dungeon and craft 2 pieces of gear afterwards.
What would you believe is the best dungeon to use them on? would you do anything differently?

[fierce isle]

Nexus point

[gentle nova]

Yeah play 3 apex

[hasty blade]

Sorry RL is asking and I’m not home at my computer. Says 1.2 minutes? Thats 1min 20 seconds? I wouldn’t take improved version I’m assuming for belo prog

[fierce isle]

Someone yesterday was saying 4th apex is an 8% talent

[rancid portal]

Couldnt you chose another Bonusroll if you not take anything fromt the Vault?

[spark river]

didnt voulk say it was 12%

[haughty ibex]

ye u can

[gentle nova]

It is but how much is another tv

Or the value of refo for movement

And between phosy and apex 4 phosy is more

[cerulean stratus]

I thought u were casual now mattiu

sup w u on lura

[gentle nova]

[thorn plover]

Apex 4 was 12k HPS on 26k of everbloom

[gleaming spoke]

Reading a lot about "pandemic" for LB. I feel like I'm missing something huge. Can someone explain? What is this pandemic phase people are talking about?

[rustic copper]

I am going to play 2 tv always

It’s so strong

[solid cape]

well, there is a myth track shoulder. Which i can catalyse. Not the biggest ilvl bump, but at least a good item to keep

[grizzled seal]

yeah I just played with 1 and I am not doing it again

xD

[thorn plover]

What are you dropping for it

[grizzled seal]

2 min convoke?

[fierce isle]

What are you going to drop

[rustic copper]

2 min convoke is fine

[fierce isle]

Hmm

[thorn plover]

Isn't 1m convoke worth like 5 or 6%

[lyric surge]

that should be 1minute and however long 20% of 1 minute is

[gleaming spoke]

12sec

[lyric surge]

ty

[oak garnet]

I watched some of nicks stream during rwf I feel like not having high uptime as tree during p1 would be a total nightmare w glaives

[gentle nova]

It is

Depends how bad they get

[cerulean stratus]

their glaves were also faster or

glaives

[oak garnet]

Initially

[gentle nova]

They nerfed em mid prog

[oak garnet]

They hot fixed fairly early

[cerulean stratus]

did they nerf them again after

or just boss nerfs

[gentle nova]

No

[cerulean stratus]

I was looking at his stream some time this week

boss was 30% and he was 4% mana

[rain oyster]

not speed but the amount of glaives, 5 instead 6 per set and they only last 2 minutes instead of 3

[rustic copper]

Source?

How can it be much better than 2 min convoke

2 min convoke casts a lot of spells

[thorn plover]

Well 1m convoke is about 12% according to wowanal, figure less than half of that is the 1m

I'm guessing

I have no real numbers

[undone linden]

why did they randomly decide to remove the mana part from this food? literally realize in a +19 it doesnt give mana anymore

[haughty ibex]

wowanal is crazy

[undone linden]

hate blizzard

[haughty ibex]

find another abbreviation

[thorn plover]

No

[fierce isle]

Be strong Purr

[idle lake]

another amazing bug

[oak garnet]

😂

[undone linden]

oh im loving this new everbloom

in m+

[oak garnet]

It's even crazier in raid

[thorn plover]

In game meter pics are banned

[undone linden]

why 🙁

[fierce isle]

They’re not very accurate

[thorn plover]

They are straight lies

[oak garnet]

I feel like you get more photo value in raid

[undone linden]

showing higher or lower?

[oak garnet]

In m+ I'm moving my blooms around

[thorn plover]

Higher

[undone linden]

damn rlly, it felt like it did way more than the other 1

[haughty ibex]

both dps and hps is higher in game

[oak garnet]

In raid it's just on you with 4+ hots 24/7

[haughty ibex]

they stroke ur ego so u forget about the shit game ur playing

[subtle cobalt]

Pandemic windows usually refer to the last 30% of the duration of a HoT/DoT where you can refresh your cast to add to the duration. For Lifebloom that's about 4.4 seconds give or take.
If you read https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/spells it has a little section in Lifebloom iirc.

[unique sedge]

Anyone can share the meme kotg build for m+? wanna try it in lower keys

[thorn plover]

Not really as much value moving it around as before

Still some tho

[gentle nova]

Yeah everbloom is crazy in raid guys it just costs 5 talents

[oak garnet]

I try and keep it on tank as much as I can

[high cobalt]

Are we running the same talents in m+ with the changes

[thorn plover]

Read wowhead

[rustic copper]

2 of those 5 talent points would be huge value to put into other places

And the other 3 are worthless

[undone linden]

im playing wildstalker still but i saw some keeper, dont know if its better tho

[rustic copper]

So it costs 2

[tough portal]

The bigger you sum up numbers, the more off your % gets btw

[oak garnet]

Both ws and keeper are solid. On a Fight with more movement where you can't plant as much keeper makes more sense

[crude nebula]

did they fix the voidcore duplicate bug?

[tough portal]

Like if everbloom is doing 22% of your meter, it's a 28% healing gain
When the numbers are small, this distinction is almost meaningless so you can say a talent that did 4% of your meter is 4% healing gain without being off too much. But for this one number being so big, you're wrong about it being 4% per 1 point on everbloom healing

[undone linden]

isnt wildstalker still better for healing

[rigid mirage]

What's our top 5 heal breakdown meant to be in raids?

For ws

[gentle nova]

How much % overall was doing eb for you last night

I dont trust 30 rejuv cpm logs

No flame

[rustic copper]

16-19% iirc

Wcl not wowa

[gentle nova]

So does that still count for faces argument

[graceful ermine]

Yeah ws is substantially better healing. Kotg is mostly to abuse the bug with the free starfishes

[rustic copper]

Yes

[white sentinel]

Vitalitie is trying keeper in m+

Is that good?

[undone linden]

whats the bug 😮

[rigid mirage]

Boomy cleave

[graceful ermine]

When you use regrowth with natures bounty (I think?) it immediately gives you 5 stacks of the free starfire proc

[undone linden]

LOL

[graceful ermine]

So you just spam regrowth -> starfire

[pulsar kettle]

spec so op you can -10% ur healing and still do 20s

[graceful ermine]

In low keys you can actually just keep people alive through most things with it and doc

[pulsar kettle]

gg?

[thorn plover]

🎣

[rustic copper]

Do m+ers even press rejuv

[pulsar kettle]

why do we just tolerate trolling all day now man

stop

[rustic copper]

I know it’s bait but actually

[white sentinel]

Is this just to abuse the bug?

[graceful ermine]

We have evolved beyond the need to press rejuv in keys. It’s only starfire now

[white sentinel]

Thats what vitalitie is running too

[graceful ermine]

Raiders wouldn’t understand

[rustic copper]

I’m pretty sure nd is just way better than germ

[onyx atlas]

I think the healing on keeper is slightly worse, but the damage is nutty

[pulsar kettle]

slightly being 8-9ish%

[graceful ermine]

Yeah it’s a big drop in healing

[stable verge]

Is there any real benefit to shift into boomking?

[pulsar kettle]

no

[graceful ermine]

It’s also less prio healing, which are the hardest checks this season

[graceful ermine]

You take fluid form and never actually press the moonkin button

[pulsar kettle]

ok, wheres ur math

[undone linden]

no vegetation OR bounty?

[pulsar kettle]

cuz your just another white name thats known for baiting and trolling

not sure why id trust you over face

[onyx atlas]

I get the appeal for lower keys tho. Getting those instant starfire procs for double dam is very satisfying

[graceful ermine]

It’s definitely fun if you don’t care about your healing

Which if you’re doing low keys your healing doesn’t matter anyway

[haughty ibex]

is nd better now compared to prebuffs or is it smth totally unrelated?

[graceful ermine]

It was always very good but its value is hard to calculate on a spreadsheet

[rustic copper]

Nd was buffed in midnight

[undone linden]

i see

[haughty ibex]

yea i was wondering if like the buffs somehow affected it

[onyx atlas]

So the new build on archon takes Sunfire. Why? Button seems like a waste of a global. Shit does no dam

[haughty ibex]

idek how myself so is a stupid question

[fierce isle]

You lose the extra rejuv on the lifebloom target for less photo procs

[fierce isle]

Archon sucks

[rustic copper]

Bro already is max mastery dred

[graceful ermine]

You have no where else to put the point and you will press it during movement sometimes

[rustic copper]

Wdym lose a rejuv on the lb target

[white sentinel]

Are you streaming rainon?

[fierce isle]

Not for the mastery. For the bloom procs from photo

[calm dirge]

I just came to realize why i actually don't enjoy pugging hc raid.. we had 2 of the debuffs on nexus king every single time

[rustic copper]

What’s even the conversion on that

Rejuv ticks very slow

[fierce isle]

Every hot tick gives a chance to proc a bloom. That’s one less hot you can have on it.

[rustic copper]

Do you even get 1 proc per rejuv cast on average

Can we get real

[white sentinel]

Okay

[fierce isle]

So you’re going to drop germ for what?

Curious

[grizzled seal]

1 min convoke

2 min convoke

????????????????????

[thorn plover]

Settled

[bright swift]

huh

how

[thorn plover]

My 1m convoke shows more like 12%

[glass crane]

interesting how 12k hps is 7.3% and 9k hps is 6%

[cursive pilot]

small indie tracker

[timid hound]

Torty is probably playing it incorrectly

[grave quail]

if your LB target already has symbiotic blooms on it, is it still mandatory to swiftmend THEM to maximize everbloom, vs a lower health target without lifebloom?

[grizzled seal]

where is reforestation module in wowanalyzer

am I blind

[tough portal]

Was there a notable difference in other modules?

[grizzled seal]

well yeah obviously

[tough portal]

Like Abundance avg stacks / Regrowth CPM

[grizzled seal]

I swapped talents

[tough portal]

Ok let me finish typing

Idiot

[fierce isle]

lol

[rustic copper]

Hit the 2 min convoke into tranq

Holy moly

I was convoking on my way to my spot on Lura i1

[tough portal]

Yeah cant fall in love with wowanal modules singling out values

[rustic copper]

Into the big tranq

[calm dirge]

anybody else notice in raid that you suddenly can't use your mouse? I'm not sure if it's an addon but it's so freaking annoying

[fierce isle]

Replace batteries 😉

[calm dirge]

hey don't tell me what to do

im using mousepad

[fierce isle]

https://tenor.com/view/لييوو-gif-16809754927858649993

I’m excited to see the big brains figure out if 1 min convoke is worth

[gentle nova]

I oom more without 1 min voke

[calm dirge]

i have a feeling it's probably because im using a lifebloom mouse tracker, even though it's updated for today

[broken harness]

what's the point of taking PotA if we're already taking Soul of the Forest talent?

[gentle nova]

Also 1 min voke is a lot more symb blooms than 2

[flint void]

everbloom go brr

[thorn plover]

The tooltip on Pota updates to include sotf when you take it.

[tough portal]

POTA is an upgrade to SOTF, it just updated the tooltip on SOTF with the effect from POTA mate

[gentle nova]

They have nothing to do with eqchtoher

[boreal karma]

is only my grid bricked

with debuffs in raid?

[gentle nova]

No

[thorn plover]

No, welcome to Midnight

[gentle nova]

Default frames are also bricked

[broken harness]

that makes sense, thank you

[thorn plover]

I told you guys it was gonna get worse

[gentle nova]

You get 300 debuffs that cover your hots

[tough portal]

I put an extra note in it next to the Convoke and HOTW bullet points

[thorn plover]

And you told me no

[thorn plover]

Thank you!!!

[boreal karma]

i cant see any debuffs

[tough portal]

Had to reword a bunch of things cuz I'm running out of characters

[calm dirge]

just heal through all the debuffs

[slender laurel]

havent seen a post about it, does anybody know if they fixed rolling on mythic + and getting dupes yet ?

[gentle nova]

Everything else seems so low, show log

[calm dirge]

oh is the mythic+ keystone dupes a thing again?

shit

[thorn plover]

If you haven't seen a post it's probably not fixed

[boreal karma]

so its not only my grid2 that doesnt show any debuffs

ggggg

i hate this game

[thorn plover]

I see all the debuffs

Or none

[gentle nova]

Same

[thorn plover]

I chose none

Yolo

[gentle nova]

I cant really turn them off on stock

Gg

I just vibe my hots

[hearty scarab]

Blizzard is trying to make healing as low popular as tanking with those secret auras

[gentle nova]

Sometimes look at the character frame

[oak garnet]

Would you run this is you pugged 17s/18s

[tough portal]

Ok mate but...
You CAN NOT stay out of Cat form and use Rake and Rip can ya?
And losing haste you gain crit, which still affects your damage, it's only a small loss
Losing haste for moonkin form to gain mastery is a full damage loss

I'm ressurrecting idiotic posts ty sorry good morning

[oak garnet]

Or is it good specifically because you play with good people / coordinated group in comms and your prio'ing damage

[half star]

Having a nice day Face?

[zealous sequoia]

What are you using for the tracker

[idle lake]

good morning i thought the issue was losing hps

[gentle nova]

Im eating easter chocolate eggs

[idle lake]

nobody can agree on anything these days

[tough portal]

Remember when you said these people in 20s needed all the healing they could get for the hard healing checks and couldnt afford the globals to catweave?

[tough portal]

Why would you think that

[oak garnet]

SURELY this spec would be trolling you're pug group in a 17 right?

[idle lake]

because someone said it

[thorn plover]

Can we put a ban on cursed build posting again

And in game meter screenshots

[gentle nova]

Except for me

[oak garnet]

This was screenshot not mine! I'm just trying to decipher 'high keys' from like 95% keys in a pug

[grizzled seal]

yeah I am going oom on fucking dragons

I hate apex

[thorn plover]

How

[tough portal]

Telling people to drop 20% healing when they're asking for help cuz they're having a hard time healing keys is always trolling, yeah.

[gentle nova]

Press 27 rgs a min and 2 wg a min

Also whatever you do do not move a step

We cant afford it

[oak garnet]

Yeah builds for the top 0.3% are not generizable

That's my conclusion

[waxen ingot]

wdym

[calm dirge]

One thing i learned is don't actually look for the weird builds on Archon and similar sites. They might be really good, but I'm pretty sure those builds are specifically for their comps

[idle lake]

wow sub price just went up

this game dying

[calm dirge]

Exactly what I said. My mouse doesn't work in raid

[idle lake]

sob sob sob

[tough portal]

KOTG and 2 other healing talents swapping to DOC? How much healing do you think that is?

[waxen ingot]

like clicks?

[gentle nova]

You really think “top” druids think their builds out as much as you think they do

😝

[oak garnet]

But do you think the build you posted is just meta for everyone doesn't matter what keys you're doing

[calm dirge]

Yea everything. Clicks, move with mouse, the side buttons etc

[oak garnet]

Or niche

[graceful ermine]

You could have typed a lot less and been more correct. Don’t look on archon period

[calm dirge]

Only thing that solves it is reloading after each boss which is incredibly annoying

[tough portal]

10% from the WS loss and 5% per healing talent lost?! This is fairly reasonable to me lol

[pulsar kettle]

[oak garnet]

So you'd agree that the 'recommended' builds are better for vast majority word

[grizzled seal]

is WCL shitting the bed?

[tough portal]

This Rain guy is a troll mate, worse than Mattiu

[pulsar kettle]

doesnt matter, vitality and "the other people hes discussed with" think the 10% ws number is fake

[tough portal]

He doesnt stand for anything he says, the moment he's shown a tiny bit of resistance on his made up points he'll shift goal posts

How much are they worth?

I mean talk to me argue your point mate

[gentle nova]

They def are 5% per pt

[gilded rivet]

am i dumb? should everbloom be proccing off the last person who had LB even though they have no LB up?

[grizzled seal]

if you think TV isnt 5% you are trolling

[tough portal]

How much does WS add in total? How much does the KOTG package add?

[grizzled seal]

have you ever looked at healing numbers

[rigid mirage]

If I craft a belt it should be haste versatility or haste mast

[tough portal]

I'm very open to being shown the light mate

[grizzled seal]

my TV contribution is probably closer to 7% than it is to 4%

[gentle nova]

Even bounty is 4-5

At minimum

[grizzled seal]

played this on dragons

[tough portal]

NB is a situational talent but in some hard bosses it'll easily be 5-6%, like beams and last boss of Skyreach

[mint nimbus]

whats yalls % value to society tho

[whole horizon]

why are you taking dps talents in your 20s/21s?

ppl that desperate to do zero dps still?

[gentle nova]

Embrace is worth? Idk

I cant afford to spam wg

How much did it do

[grizzled seal]

2.83%

[gentle nova]

Liveliness contributes to 2%

[thorn plover]

This was my thought too, I drastically reduced my WG usage last night

[grizzled seal]

do you want to play MS instead?

[gentle nova]

And that doesnt even count extea phosy

Or blooms

[gentle nova]

Ms or liv

[lament cipher]

Only heroic crown, but everbloom indeed go brrr.

[tough portal]

And whats the healing contribution of those hero talent packages?

[grizzled seal]

let's see if I can sustain paladins like this

[tough portal]

How much does DOC do on a hard boss to heal?

Are you talenting for piss healing when you dont need to press healing buttons now?

2 weeks ago you were saying you obviously talent for the hardest pull in a key

Not to make everything else easier

[gentle nova]

Im not that convinced into 2 min voke either

Everytime you convoke every minute you get 4 symbiotics

[tough portal]

But how much does KOTG contribute for healing mate? And what's the comparison to Wildstalker?

Why do you dodge the question idgi

[gentle nova]

How does that add up

Plus more rejuvs for more mana

[flint void]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:2Zb8NxLcQXtgvrMd it was wipe #5

[tough portal]

WCL is shitting itself

Cant open it

[rustic copper]

Wg cpm?

[grizzled seal]

very high]

[tough portal]

No mate you dont think that

[whole horizon]

playing kotg in 5 man content? lmfao

[tough portal]

But you havent given any rationale lol

If it's so wrong

[grizzled seal]

I mean I can drop embrace

[tough portal]

Should it not be easy to argue your point?

[grizzled seal]

it's 2.8%

do I care?

[whole horizon]

youre doing it for damage

stop pretending you ran the numbers

youre losing HPS for DPS and you have no idea how much youre losing

[gentle nova]

Itll be even less when your wg cpm drops to 2

[tough portal]

How much does KOTG add in healing vs Wildstalker's package mate @grave notch

[gentle nova]

[whole horizon]

but being confidently wrong is slightly better than being recklessly wrong

so at least do some fking leg work and math first

[pulsar kettle]

?

[whole horizon]

its not thin air, KotG is behind WS in 5m and 10m content

[pulsar kettle]

crazy comms tbh

[tough portal]

I've gone through queries on dozens of logs running both KOTG and WS in overall and in specific hard pulls/bosses in keys

Idk mate

[wise galleon]

If im playing prosperity in m+ can i drop regenerative heartwood and take improved swiftmend?

[whole horizon]

the talents youre dropping + losing additional so you can take DoC is definitely higher than 10%, probably higher than 15%, 20% is a stretch but close

[tough portal]

Yeah it's not a terrible trade, you'll be using Swiftmend more freely on any target so your effective healing on it will be a bit nicer

[flint void]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:2Zb8NxLcQXtgvrMd?fight=8&type=healing i think it stopped shitting itself

[whole horizon]

and you, admittedly, have no clue what those numbers are bc you've done zero calcs yourself

[fierce isle]

I see a possible reason why you went oom :p

[lament cipher]

Regenerative heartwood is op though, its makes the target nearly immortal

[whole horizon]

meanwhile youre shooting down the ppl who actually do the math for the tools you rely on every season

[flint void]

Everbloom definitley going brr

[tough portal]

Idrc about the attitude, fair enough yk you give and you take

[wise galleon]

Thats how I played before this patch, and dropped Nature's Bounty for HB. Wanted to hear opinion about those choices and what is flex talent

[tough portal]

But bro has no idea what he's talking about

That's the first time you ask that

[pulsar kettle]

pretty sure wildstalker has a higher presence in 20/21s than kotg btw

[lament cipher]

First M+ felt weird with VI, probably going to go back prosperity, more control over when to pop a bloom is nice

[whole horizon]

"i think this build is decent but i have absolutely no idea how much HPS im losing by taking these talents" - how to take feedback

[pulsar kettle]

oh so we're referencing 1 day of keys done in one of the buggiest .5 patches ever

good chat dude

yes im the one baiting

[graceful ermine]

This guy is good

[grizzled seal]

like what

[eternal bough]

anyone knows how to up the volume of coolddown manager
to alert when spell is ready with voice ? ty

[gentle nova]

Apexless build was discussed by us since beta

[fierce isle]

Embrace over master?

[gentle nova]

The fuck u on lol

[fierce isle]

Didn’t you say you were ooming on dragons?

[tough portal]

Largely from querying healing done and extracting the values at each stack count for the % nodes from each hero talent and their own direct healing contributions
Sorta like a manual wowanalyzer yeah?

[frosty canyon]

nice receipts dude

[gentle nova]

And im pretty sure voulk commnts to RWF about builds, and he was aware of the potential apexless one since the start. The fact that you ignore these facts is on you

[tough portal]

The -1s cdr node and other stuff like that, best I could do was prorate the averages

But the majority of VI logs dont even use -1s cd on Swiftmend all that often

[drowsy isle]

Just to clarify—during raid we keep LB on ourselves with 4+ HoTs rolling. Should we be doing the same in M+, or should we be moving it around more to triage squishier or debuffed players?

[gentle nova]

Some rwf players even lurk and comment here

[graceful ermine]

You want to move it to any player being targeted with a mechanic before the damage drops

[tough portal]

They just messed up the text to speech volume across the board this patch, wait for a fix from Blizzard I think

[rustic copper]

Embrace is only 2.8% with high cpm?

[gentle nova]

Embrace is 4 with high cpm

Hes prolly mid cpm

[boreal karma]

was 3.6 for me

[gentle nova]

Yeah sounds about right with 4 ish wg cpm

[boreal karma]

cant check my cpm

warcraftlogs is dying

[grizzled seal]

I cant tell if you are trolling

[gentle nova]

With 5+ it should be 4+

[boreal karma]

it was 4.2 cpm

[gentle nova]

Torty isnprobably playing at around 3 ish

God im so autistic

[grizzled seal]

I had like 3.5 iirc

[gentle nova]

I should use my time in something more useful

[grizzled seal]

Cant tell cuz wcl doesnt work

[eternal bough]

ty ❤️

[tough portal]

We go gym?

Right now

[gentle nova]

Go

[bright swift]

I swear these glaives on Lura are pre nerf again

[glass crane]

guys without seeing my character what dungeon should I use bonus rolls on

[proven phoenix]

xenas

[lament cipher]

Xenas has a lot

[glass crane]

wrong

[proven phoenix]

nexus point penis

[placid thicket]

In raid do we primarily self cast lifebloom for maximum hps?

[boreal karma]

skyreach

[glass crane]

it might be sky

[lament cipher]

Crown and get a bad set of leggings instead of the trinket

[tough portal]

Algethar

[gentle nova]

Why sky?

[thorn whale]

Fk it do it in Seat

[proven phoenix]

skyreach loot pool is too big

[glass crane]

sky has shoulders, cloak, weapons which are all big upgrades

[boreal karma]

how?

7 items

[glass crane]

might also do mt, lots of upgrades there

[boreal karma]

like almost every dungeon

[proven phoenix]

oh nvm idk why I assumed it as bigger

[glass crane]

wish refueling orb never got nerfed

[proven phoenix]

before of 4 bosses instead of 3

[glass crane]

that trinket would have been so fucking sick

[spring girder]

alnseer heroic that i already have as champion or mythic shoulders from vault?

[tough portal]

Skyreach is pretty bis huh

Main ahnd is the only bad item on balance loot spec

[boreal karma]

ye

[tough portal]

Cloak and boots catalyzed are the best options outside of crafted or mythic dragons

Heavy haste

[grizzled seal]

there are boe boots

[tough portal]

I'm poor man

I cant buy tokens

And I'm not willing to risk with other means anymore

[gentle nova]

U guys not coining chim?

[gentle nova]

Its like usd 150 for boots man

Fuck that

[peak charm]

good question i mean with eveyrone else coining chim i mean ...

[true jungle]

did the tts stuff ever get fixed from yesterday?

haven't been on yet