resto

[cursive pagoda]

monthly? are you some sort of clean freak?

[frosty canyon]

3 possible each week one doesn't count towards cap

[lunar steppe]

What we sending re rolls on
Mythic chim?

[whole horizon]

AA so i can get a feral weapon/puzzle box probably

[thorn plover]

Send it on delve boss

[lunar steppe]

Helpful

[cursive pagoda]

yeah ill be hitting max level today, as a fresh resto i should probably try hard to get a bonus roll mythic staff right?

[boreal karma]

lura / aleria / maybe chim and nexus point

all mythic ofc

[lunar steppe]

O true nexus point

[whole horizon]

it's honestly w/e at this point

[cursive pagoda]

wdym?

[whole horizon]

you can craft or pray for a reroll, there's very little benefit of 1 over the other

just flip a coin

[wheat cape]

Do we have bonus roll loot pool information for each boss and dungeon?

[frosty canyon]

10 M+ will reroll to mythic loot, so I'll probably do that. Not worth it on heroic raid except for trinkets in my case

[wheat cape]

Or is it just all available loot? (from those sources)

[silver isle]

Sorry if this has been asked before but why isn't crucible on the trinket list when qelive continues to tell me it is the best option i have? Is there a nerf incoming?

[frosty canyon]

if you're doing Mraid probably worth using there for smaller loot table, granted it's 1 item since it'll cost 2 cores

[cursive pagoda]

i thought a raw mythic staff was way better because of the upgrade thing coming

[frosty canyon]

afaik it's everything in their loot table you can use

[whole horizon]

you can do the same thing with crafted weapons. the ilvl diff is still -4

[main timber]

It is on the trinket list, QE is the trinket list

[silver isle]

Lol OK

[wheat cape]

Final grade might be yummy yummy if you bonus roll an AA 10

[silver isle]

I just meant in the wowhead guide

Looks like it got updated recently

[mystic crater]

Voulk also wrote the wowhead guide, as a note

[wheat cape]

I guess go for mythic gaze until I can get the chance to roll for mythic ribbon, right?

[frosty canyon]

yeah and QE, which is why he points people there for live updates basically

[silver isle]

Ya i know thats why I'm asking here =p

[mystic crater]

It’d be better if he didn’t have to provide gear on the guide

[silver isle]

I tell people to look at the guide and then i get questions

[frosty canyon]

crucible is second from bottom @silver isle

[mystic crater]

Since it’s not ideal, there’s always nuances, eg for you every time you’ve run qelive you’ve been told you currently have better trinkets

[whole horizon]

atp there are farmable hero track options that beat crucible

[frosty canyon]

of this small clip i took of the big graph

[main timber]

Change the ilvl slider at the top to 263

[mystic crater]

Err the best trinkets you have

[frosty canyon]

that part, mb

[main timber]

Crucible isn't end game BiS, it's just absurd for its level and most people dont have Myth trinkets

[frosty canyon]

and leech is great for healers last I heard

[wheat cape]

yes very good

[sacred wasp]

I NEED someone to do the thinking for me PLEASE

[mystic crater]

It’s not as good as it was mekta

[wheat cape]

especially resto druid because leech is constantly ticking away

[main timber]

Wowhead gear page has some recommendations for coins

[cerulean drift]

are we starting to play convoke more in mythic raid, or is tree still good enough to be used? (im ok playing either just want to do the best for my team this week)

[main timber]

I think Icy Veins too

[proven phoenix]

yes

[frosty canyon]

appreciate you saying something

[proven phoenix]

exactl

y

[ornate pollen]

Guess NXP is the obvious place to spend nebs?

[frosty canyon]

It's where I'm going

I need that ring

[main timber]

Yeah nxp is very good

[lean wedge]

For all of you "what do I coin" people.

[wheat cape]

How does get ascendant voidcore and does using it on a crafted weapon increase its ilvl to the ilvl a myth track one would be?

[cursive pagoda]

does this assume you mraid?

[frosty canyon]

yes

[cursive pagoda]

oh ok, bit beyond my paygrade there lol

[frosty canyon]

second to last sentence in the graphic

[mystic crater]

It says so, yeah lol

[proven phoenix]

idk if its better to double coin nexus point or 1 coin alleria/dragons

[cursive pagoda]

ah yeah i see it now lol

wonder if a heroic gaze competes with mythic dungeon bonus roll items

[frosty canyon]

QE will tell ya

[main timber]

For you, Alleria

[proven phoenix]

the problem is idk if we reclear her esp because they legit buffed the boss

[main timber]

Dungeon is better if you have spare crests only

[proven phoenix]

today

[pastel dragon]

I feel like I'll still want to play kotg in raid for some of the utility and slight CD reduction. Im not sure what the HPS difference will be between that and WS in raid

[fierce isle]

Sounds like you already have myth gaze? :p

[proven phoenix]

I think I might have to coin dragons

I do have a mythic gaze yeah

[pulsar kettle]

what utility does kotg have

[wheat cape]

There are going to be a LOT more people walking around with mythic Gaze

[thorn plover]

You roll a healer to do less healing?

[ornate pollen]

mythic gaze is pug farmable, right?

[lean wedge]

I think most people will be looking to coin raid since they want the best pieces but could just "get geared quicker" from M+ since it costs less coins and you get a mythic piece each time (always changing too - so lower chance for the item slot to overlap).

[thorn plover]

Yes Chim is easy pug

[peak charm]

yes

[wheat cape]

I pugged it on an alt in a "CE" group the other day. Very puggable

[pastel dragon]

Ok thats the answer i was looking for. So im trolling myself if I dont go WS?

[prime jacinth]

If I use 2 bonus rolls on a heroic boss, is the gear hero or mythic?

[main timber]

Remember too that most Mythic raid drops are higher ilvl than dungeon rolls

[main timber]

Hero

[wheat cape]

Not entirely. There are people relying on you so you're trolling them, too

[thorn plover]

We don't know that for sure. Math says so, but we weren't able to do any real testing on ptr

[prime jacinth]

So for now, with my guild progressing on heroic, its probably better for me to use them to reroll for myth gear from m+ right?

[opal radish]

If I have a myth crafted wep, would it be better to bonus roll like nexus to upgrade hero track chest/ring to mythic track? Already have myth raid trinks

[rustic copper]

Why would you coin dragons

And are you rekilling ?

[haughty ibex]

even if u don’t is prob worth sending it on some bosses for trinket, depending on ur gear and vault nxt week ofc

[proven phoenix]

I want mythic hands and stare

we are not rekilling alleria

[main timber]

Yes I think so - particularly if you have spare crests

[proven phoenix]

just dragons

well up to paladins

[rustic copper]

Stare

[prime jacinth]

I do. Perfect thanks for the answer 😄

[cursive pagoda]

ill have to figure it out, my situation is weird because i will be hitting max level just today, so im starting fresh

[wheat cape]

You cannot 1 coin raid bosses. All raid bosses cost 2 coins.

[proven phoenix]

yes I meant 1 item

not coin

[cursive pagoda]

anything will be a massive uprgrade, will farm delves to get geared enough to do 10s probably

[proven phoenix]

2 items from nexus point or 1 item from dragons

[main timber]

You will definitely just be coining dungeons

[pearl basalt]

Didn't they do this bonus roll with coins back in draenor? I remember buying it

[pulsar kettle]

vastly different back then

[main timber]

Bonus rolls back in the day are very different to this system

[mystic crater]

It’s a different style yeah

[main timber]

You always get gear now

[wheat cape]

I guess coin dungeons unless you can kill mythic chimaerus or alleria

[cursive pagoda]

what i was thinking tbh, im a pretty low tier player

[main timber]

Instead of rolling gold 15 times ina row

[past tusk]

I am new to resto druid, thought I'd give it a try after maining holy priest and resto shaman for years.. Turns out I love it so much I am thinking of making it my new main 🙂 This discord has been very helpful!

[cursive pagoda]

only mythic raiding i have done was up to mythic rashok in abberus in season 2 df

[haughty ibex]

well ok then nvm open vault and use coins on dungeons and craft accordingly

[mystic crater]

Also removes items from the loot pool as you roll them too

[pearl basalt]

Oh okay, it's been awhile. But I was meaning with just having the option.. Buying them and using them.

[cursive pagoda]

i just dont join guilds anymore which is why tbh

[pearl basalt]

I like the improved version thus far

[wheat cape]

Fight knowledge, preparation and timing are your friends

[cursive pagoda]

i see

[ornate pollen]

this whole bonus roll impl is great imo

as an M+ only player

[cursive pagoda]

i think its awesome

[wheat cape]

The bonus rolls are great. I love the bad luck protection that guarantees you will eventualy get everything you want

[cursive pagoda]

i saw people getting mad because they dont like players having mythic gear but idk

[lethal garnet]

If you have the item from the listed items already, is it automatically off the list? Or it HAS to be from the roll.. or does no one know because servers aren't up.

[main timber]

You must bonus roll it to remove from list

[wheat cape]

I assume items obtained outside of the bonus roll system are not factored in when bonus rolling

[ornate pollen]

anyone know if it can tert or not yet?

[lethal garnet]

Lame thanks guys!

[main timber]

We know nothing. They didnt test any of this stuff

But it probably can tert

[pulsar kettle]

yeah this is a strange mindset for some

[waxen ingot]

Subscripction extending based bad luck protection :PPPP

[shut barn]

cries in mists

[past tusk]

I wonder if we still will get a turbo boost in the middle of the season

[wheat cape]

As if you were going to quit

[main timber]

Dont think so

This is it

[thorn plover]

What else are they gonna turbo

[formal fjord]

This discord is part of the reason i main resto too! people are genuinely helpful and only troll a little bit 😛

[silver isle]

I think this is the middle

[thorn plover]

How much more do you need

[wheat cape]

Nobody ever truly quits

[main timber]

12.0.7 has a raid so you'll get some form of new item from that

[frosty canyon]

I haven't read if the ilvl booster will be live today

[ornate pollen]

they won't extend voidcores to non weap/trink?

Kinda figured they would do that

[cursive pagoda]

on twitter it seems common, people just dont like it when players who dont do content as hard as they do, are given loot

[wheat cape]

If you are American or American adjacent

[thorn plover]

We don't know if it's timegated

[main timber]

Log out of twitter

[thorn plover]

We might not get it today

[shut barn]

yea im new to healing in wow, was gonna go easy spec like rsham but the disc was helpful enough to help me learn the spec

[cursive pagoda]

i need to tbh, only negatively effects my mental lol

[frosty canyon]

fair just wasnt sure if they had tied the reroll mechanic to the same patch as the ilvl booster mechanic

[formal fjord]

awesome to see ❤️

[past tusk]

rsham is so boring this expansion

[frosty canyon]

this sub took me from gray parsing to purp/orange, it helps a ton

[ornate pollen]

rsham is boring? they still have a kick!

[wheat cape]

I think they both come out and are available this week. Could be wrong

[ornate pollen]

there's literally nothing to do in M+ now

[main timber]

We suspect you wont get upgrades this week

[cursive pagoda]

i tried it out on my shaman, it doesnt seem that bad but i have never played it until this season

so idk how it was prior

[shut barn]

yea last i checked i was ranked 14th on hc chimaeras, still lots to learn to emulate that on mythic

[visual musk]

anyone do free Resto coaching?

[cursive pagoda]

this season i started to actually give healing a try, its been fun so far

[wheat cape]

How do we even get these?

[main timber]

If you post a log here people will review it

[visual musk]

awesome

[frank granite]

go watch Vickmantwo's free resto guide on youtube 🙂

[frosty canyon]

for better or worse, make sure you read the QE common mistakes page

that'll help like 90% of your issues

[visual musk]

i feel like healing 17s should be easier than they are

[frosty canyon]

top 1% shouldn't be that easy im assuming

[blissful zodiac]

Could anyone take a look at my lastest logs please 🙏 ❤️
It's a 13 SR which I think went fairly well -- which means anything I'm doing wrong...I'm not aware of it and would be v keen for feedback. 13s are starting to stretch me a little now and then (group dependent I guess) so anything would be appreciated. Thanks in advance 🤞

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/djN8k3Rx2Vawcq9T?fight=last&type=healing

[wheat cape]

There's a common mistakes page?

[formal fjord]

yep happy to help out

[haughty ibex]

depends on avg iq of the team too

[frosty canyon]

fair

[thorn plover]

No

[shut barn]

also a video guide on yt through qe page for vorasius commentary in rdruid pov

[cursive pagoda]

is this a good video to watch for a beginner resto? or a beginner healer in general?

been meaning to watch a video

[idle lake]

is this the optimal route for pit?

[shut barn]

think you need to go lower

[frank granite]

yes, i learned ALOT watching in 3 times and putting it to practice, made me go from 3200 to 3450io in one night

[haughty ibex]

why can’t we react in this discord 😔

[formal fjord]

no youll want to be slightly higher in the air so when you slam down you get more healing

[frosty canyon]

@wheat cape https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes

[idle lake]

ahhhhh

[cursive pagoda]

dang, nice!

[formal fjord]

i wish

[visual musk]

wow awesome

[haughty ibex]

tell them rose

[frank granite]

well then dont

[thorn plover]

Any YouTube guides are mostly wrong and out of date

[main timber]

Reacts are banned because in 2016 someone put poops on every post

[proven phoenix]

if we could use reacts in this place I would do awful things

u are lucky we cant

[formal fjord]

rofl

[proven phoenix]

its too much power in my hands

[haughty ibex]

okay is time to get over it come on…

[pulsar kettle]

[frosty canyon]

we can't have anything nice smh

[wheat cape]

I knew this place was full of shit at some point

[main timber]

Now the only people who care enough to discuss it can't be trusted with them so what can you do

[frosty canyon]

lmao

[main timber]

(People like Phased)

((Ok specifically Phased))

(((Really it's just Phased and nobody else)))

[frosty canyon]

(no really just Phased)

[pulsar kettle]

give him his own role that cant use reacts

shrimple

[main timber]

That would be a good bit

[pulsar kettle]

him and zimbita

[shut barn]

Redacted

[pulsar kettle]

do not give zimmy reacts

[wheat cape]

I was not prio swiftmending the lifebloom target in raid. 🙂

Thanks for the link 😄

[proven phoenix]

what did I do

[fleet jewel]

it could reduce message "reacts"

[proven phoenix]

I feel like I have been the most helpful member of this place recently

[fleet jewel]

[formal fjord]

I have a confession, I just found this bit in wowhead -> Are we now encouraged to manually switch to moonkin in keys to do dps?

[frosty canyon]

yeah give those tips a try before you go posting logs in here. you'll literally just get directed to go there lmao

[main timber]

One day Phased will run this place

[wheat cape]

I'm not too worried about my logs or performance

[main timber]

No, you will use caster DPS spells but Moonkin Form isn't great

[frosty canyon]

then have fun! Resto is very rewarding

[thorn plover]

Is it

[formal fjord]

so its only there for getting down the tree ->t hanks

[frosty canyon]

shhhh we don't want them becoming resto shams or something

[wheat cape]

My druid is old enough to drink 🙂

[proven phoenix]

I will make it good

I would be a good mod tbh

[frosty canyon]

I feel you I remember doing ZG in vanilla and being happy they let me feral for a raid

[main timber]

It is already good

[fervent mica]

clown emojis for every post

[wheat cape]

we're all already clowns

[haughty ibex]

omg

[thorn plover]

Can you pin the most cursed build every week

[haughty ibex]

a reaction

[proven phoenix]

do not add to that react

I will never speak to anyone that does

[frosty canyon]

oops finger slipped

[proven phoenix]

is ok I have the list

[fervent mica]

(:

[wheat cape]

This can only benefit me

[fickle garden]

Yall getting an 8% buff is undeserved fuck u resto Druids ok

[cursive glade]

so how is our apex talent after the "changes" ?

[fickle garden]

But also yay cause my alt is resto Druid

[formal fjord]

was gonna say! are you lost!

[pulsar kettle]

didnt hpal get like 30% to every button

[fickle garden]

10% overallish

Big spender buffs

[rustic copper]

[pulsar kettle]

smh

hpals never happy

better shut down the cord

[wheat cape]

I'm not entirely sure if the greater judgement change has been acurately math'd

[fickle garden]

That’s one we won’t know until people test

The issue is greater judgment gets eaten by tanks a lot

[haughty ibex]

why all buff men play hpal

[fickle garden]

So hard to say if it’s worth

[thorn plover]

Pink is their favorite color

[prime jacinth]

So i found the updated dps guide higher up, if im reading right we do all that, but dont shift to moonkin form for it?

[formal fjord]

correct

[haughty ibex]

there must be some psychology behind this

[main timber]

Yeah Moonkin Form is just sidegrady for damage

[wheat cape]

I have a holy pala alt and it's so incredibly simple after playing rdruid for so long. It might just be dunning kruger effect, not understanding the nuance of the spec... but man, it is so easy

[rustic copper]

Rdruid is cooked man

[haughty ibex]

do u have muscles

[rustic copper]

Need a PhD to play the spec

[bright swift]

?

[wheat cape]

technically yes

[haughty ibex]

that’s why it’s easy

[wheat cape]

I sit around with my thumb up my arse waiting for a rectangle to move. I left click it. That's holy paladin

[formal fjord]

its zug zug hit the buttons, giving Kronk energy tbh

[proven phoenix]

druid is the most cerebral spec

only 4 genius

I swear to god man

[fervent mica]

LOL

[silk ice]

Mattiu plays rdruid

[thorn plover]

I believe it..most people here can't even keep lifebloom up

Hard spec

[wheat cape]

I hope I didn't imply I was some resto druid genius. I've played it about 11x more than I've played my paladin

[rustic coyote]

Well for sure it is not chain heal spam and some riptide rain drops

[haughty ibex]

he’s an exception im afraid and he should reroll asap

[rustic copper]

Are you regrowth pandemicing

[fickle garden]

We can’t let people know this information pls delete

[rough nebula]

So we changing Hero tree to Keeper of the grove tomorrow?

[thorn plover]

Wut

[main timber]

What gave you that impression

[cursive pilot]

Tomorrow?

[lean wedge]

So many things wrong in that question lol

[rough nebula]

Cause of the magic buffs? no?

[silk ice]

Maybe EU

[formal fjord]

3 hours baby

[wheat cape]

Do you think the holy paladins come here looking for gossip about them?

[rough nebula]

[proven phoenix]

I dont 🙂

[silk ice]

Twinks aren’t buff

[thorn plover]

Not unless you're playing for damage only

[fickle garden]

No I come here to lurk or see if there’s any interesting fights happening to keep me entertained

[haughty ibex]

are u expecting me to believe u are buff

[fickle garden]

Or when the holy paladin discord pissing me off which is usually all the time

[indigo inlet]

What talents should I take for raid tonight

[rough nebula]

sadge, i am tired of going into catform xd

[silk ice]

So you come here to Flex on us

[wheat cape]

Well it's right next to the ret paladin section and that kind of toxicity can spread

[proven phoenix]

so u are saying I dont have buff alpha male energy

[mystic crater]

WS doesn’t need cat form by the way

[fickle garden]

Mostly come here to shit post @gentle nova

[haughty ibex]

u do kitten yeah ahah so big buff alpha male energy

[wheat cape]

The healing bonus from the hero talents do not require you to ever be in cat form

[proven phoenix]

so this is the latest bit now....

you just react to all my messages

[thorn plover]

You won't go into cat form 🤦‍♂️

[silk ice]

Wait when did Voulk unban reactions in dg

[fickle garden]

PAUSE

[rustic copper]

Actual mod abuse rn

[silk ice]

Oh

[fickle garden]

Baited

[rustic copper]

Protest

[silk ice]

Fucking eh

[fervent mica]

they're only banned for us peasents

[topaz nest]

overthrow the ruling class

[silk ice]

Voulk banned reactions because it’s toxic?
Uses reactions to be toxic to phasieboo

[main timber]

I wasn't even mod when they got banned!

[silk ice]

(I don’t think Voulk banned them but I think it’s funny)

[slow pasture]

OH NO

[main timber]

No rage bait today please

[silk ice]

So you did nothing to fight the injustice? Makes you complicit

[slow pasture]

STOP THE BUILD

[rustic copper]

W

[lean wedge]

Come on man...

[thorn plover]

Read the guide

[main timber]

Too obvious

[lean wedge]

Let the people see the build

[dry valve]

Is anyone gonna tell me why/how M+ resto is doing so much damage with thrash @rustic copper is it just big pulls and you go into bear to keep the dot up?

[main timber]

You need to mostly post the guide build but swap one random talent

[upper hamlet]

What build?!

[slow pasture]

OH WOAW QUEUE WENT TO 212 TO 164

[rustic copper]

I don’t do keys

[main timber]

You can't post a tree that barely spends all the points

[dry valve]

Everything okay?

[lean wedge]

It spends all of the points man

[sacred wasp]

bear convoke 🧠

[haughty ibex]

just check dmg breakdown in logs

[thorn plover]

There are a lot of trolls on alt accounts in here today

[dry valve]

That’s what my question is based off of

Thrash #2 damage spell

And that’s a bear spell

So WTF is happening

[fickle garden]

Voulk been hanging around paladin discord too much it’s rubbing off on him guys

[mystic crater]

Reactions deserve to be banned

[fickle garden]

He needs to be quarantined

[main timber]

A quick preview of the big trinket chart changes today

This is on live right now

[dry valve]

I SUPPORT THE GAZE

[haughty ibex]

yeah i mean is dps gain to go bear when low fury or watever is the name in cat

[main timber]

And then

You will notice it's changed to pink

[fickle garden]

Wait why is gaze suddenly good

[dry valve]

Energy, good point

[haughty ibex]

is just pad aoe dmg but ye u need to go bear

[fickle garden]

Or better rather

[prime jacinth]

Where do I find this big trinket chart

[rustic copper]

Ok man

[proven phoenix]

gaze has been good

[main timber]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/trinkets?spec=restodruid

[prime jacinth]

Ty

[fickle garden]

It was always 2nd or third for me

[rustic copper]

Gaze bis????

[dry valve]

Wow, the gaze is turning the chart into a rainbow 🌈

[proven phoenix]

thrash is good dps on giga pulls

efficient damage

[topaz nest]

straights in shambles

[rustic copper]

Why isn’t gaze bis

[dry valve]

So I’m assuming they do big pulls then in those high keys that I was looking at logs

[rustic copper]

Explain

[main timber]

It is BiS

Hopefully that helps

[thorn plover]

🫪

[fervent mica]

changes? where

[candid peak]

any1 knows how to put the hots at fixed positions on party frames with danders ?

[thorn plover]

Aura designer in the settings

[rustic copper]

Qelive told me to take a cape over gaze last reset same ilvl

Bald?

[candid peak]

thank you sir

[proven phoenix]

yes

there is not much to think about

you just press thrash once in aoe

[main timber]

QE just calculates best current upgrade, not end game BiS

[dry valve]

Fair…

[thorn plover]

Why is gaze ahead at 289 now when it wasn't before

Or is that not rdruid you linked

[rustic copper]

Fake charts

[thorn plover]

"demonstration purposes only"?

[main timber]

Gaze is fake in-game so I need to update it with log data for average stacks every week

[rustic copper]

Where are you getting this log data

Is it from stinky players

[main timber]

We have a bot that auto-pulls top 50 logs

[rustic copper]

How do I compare my gaze value to these noobs

[wheat cape]

It's odd that one of the two S tier trinkets is not part of the BiS list

[silk ice]

Niko is in the top 50 so he is stinky confirmed

[main timber]

the BiS list really is fake, just use QE Live for gear

[rustic copper]

Private logs

[silk ice]

Damn

You got me there

[lyric surge]

I miss looking at Niko logs

[rustic copper]

I could see a world where rdruids are so bad at video games that they aren’t getting gaze value

[silk ice]

Now I look at mattiu logs, but they’re not the same

[main timber]

Ideally you could just handle every trinket mathematically, but Gaze is just turbo bricked in-game

[rustic copper]

And the trinket is actually good

[main timber]

So you need to augment it with log data

[wheat cape]

Yes, my guild has healers post their upgrade finder report and they can see the % increases QE thinks each person will get

[ornate pollen]

I don't understand what other pug rdruids even do in raids

[main timber]

I dont even think bad players would get that much fewer average stacks

Because it procs off Efflo anyway

[main timber]

Excellent

[silk ice]

How would you get good value? Do you send it on cd or sit on it for 30 seconds

[rustic copper]

I press my buttons quickly

[fervent mica]

expecting druids to keep lifebloom up in 2026?

[rustic copper]

Big cpm

Average log is 10% afk at least

[silk ice]

Oh

[rustic copper]

I also run like 46% haste

Does that make gaze better

[silk ice]

I bind toys to my rejuv to pad my cpm

[wheat cape]

macro lifebloom cast to yourself to an easy button to press 🙂

[fickle garden]

Me at 34% haste because haste gear doesn’t exist for me

[torpid shore]

Yeah procs faster

[main timber]

Not really, maybe slightly

[frosty canyon]

what's lifebloom? is that like when you chain rejuves for the entire fight and see peoples life bloom? (joking)

[lyric surge]

I think you're thinking of the wrong trinket Plush or the wrong names are being used

[silk ice]

Oh stare right

They’re both eye actions and have eye icons

[lyric surge]

yeah XD

[wheat cape]

Does anyone know when they fixed lycara's teachings? I don't have to go cat form after every wipe to get the haste back

[fickle garden]

It doesn’t give haste anymore?

[main timber]

Midnight launch

[fervent mica]

tww

prepatch

or am i crazy?

[fickle garden]

I thought it gave magic damage now am I tripping

[wheat cape]

It didn't give any stats until you went into a form if you died

[dry valve]

No it was bugged all of TWW

[fickle garden]

No I meant in tww it gave haste in caster form but they removed that

[tough portal]

2 dif lycaras

[fickle garden]

Oh

[tough portal]

There are 2 talents that give stats in a form

[wheat cape]

There were some nights where I'd quickly use the soulstone, res everyone and pull mugzee without realising I'm missing a big chunk of my best stats

[barren trout]

Is there ever a point where we stop stacking haste where we have too much and hit too high of diminishing returns? Is this reflected in QE upgrade finder?

[rustic copper]

Would going afk randomly hurt your gaze value

[fervent mica]

qe will tell you. its very high though

[main timber]

Maybe but this trinket really does just do random shit

Average stacks are already way higher than you can get from spam casting

[rustic copper]

Idk what it even does

[wheat cape]

Ideally you keep your gaze on the computer screen. Looking away can affect your HPS

[fickle garden]

On my paladin the stacks just automatically ramp even when I’m not casting thought they had fixed that

[dry valve]

God damnit voulk bring back chat reactions

[rustic copper]

You should see me doing keys

[wheat cape]

Of coke?

[dry valve]

And just ban the toxic people

[rustic copper]

[fickle garden]

So ban the whole discord

Nico vrocas torty mattiu

[dry valve]

Not me I’m an angel

[dry valve]

I can only agree with one of these names

[fickle garden]

Mattie for sure

[novel garnet]

what made wildstaker "better" in raid? 😄

[main timber]

It was already very good for L'ura and the apex changes favor it

[dry valve]

Losing my 5% mana pool because ppl wanna be cats in raid

[rustic copper]

I’m convinced this was already better for most bosses and no one played it

[gentle nova]

It was good everywhere ppl just cba testing

[rustic copper]

I was doing some stupid healing on reclear

[dry valve]

I don’t know, convoke spawning 6 treants that go ham sounds good to me

[rustic copper]

Even on nexus king, I played 2 min convoke ws

[gentle nova]

It spawns blooms

[rustic copper]

Holy moly

[gentle nova]

Same shit

[sudden fossil]

doesn't your guide still say to take kotg in raid?

[snow umbra]

What dungeon we rolling tomorrow with the bonus rolls?

[main timber]

Nope

[sudden fossil]

o

[snow umbra]

Presumably nexus point?

[pulsar kettle]

np is good

[lean wedge]

Okay, honestly though, what makes WS better? Is it the blooms, the passives, both, something completely different?

[pulsar kettle]

[fervent mica]

its got a picture of a kitty cat

[grand herald]

Am i just gonna have to calc expected value from bonus rolls for every boss and dungeon myself

[lean wedge]

[sudden fossil]

oh on wowhead it has a "best" next to both KOTG and WS

[silk ice]

[snow umbra]

I'll be getting the Crit ring, shite trinket and cloak then guaranteed

[gentle nova]

Ask blizz wht they put a big number on it

[fickle garden]

Wrong discord rip

[main timber]

There are a few interactions that need to be tested when patch comes up

[grand herald]

Its hard to point at one single thing when comparing two different packages of 14 talents each

[fervent mica]

can't get trinket if you're in the proper loot spec

[sudden fossil]

makes total sense thanks for the insight

[silk ice]

Hpal 10% buffs not enough?

[snow umbra]

What's the tech?

[fervent mica]

be owl

[fickle garden]

Nah 10% I think puts us almost middle pack

So we vibing

[silk ice]

But everyone that was in the middle got 8% buffs

[fickle garden]

Holy and rsham were only slightly ahead of hpal

[silk ice]

Inflation man

[wheat cape]

I got innervate on my holy paladin on a heroic beloren 1 egg phase. It was glorious.

[rustic copper]

Voulk I need a bonus roll module

[lament river]

We drop reforation talent in raid?

[frosty canyon]

innervate isn't only a selfcast? weird

[peak marlin]

Okay, sorry if this question has been asked a lot but has much changed with our play style in M+ with the Apex talent changes?

[snow umbra]

Should be, like PI

[wheat cape]

Other druid specs are available.

[past tusk]

its crazy how much better the resto druid wowhead guide is than holy/disc priest

[novel garnet]

and why is wowhead suggesting taking starlight conduit as wildstalker 🙂

[silk ice]

Holy priests had the “switch to disc” button so you’re only beating the shamans

[snow umbra]

Make it baseline for Rdruid

[ornate pollen]

can't say I've ever innervated anyone besides myself, including that time that it gave it to you AND someone else

[main timber]

It isn't a big point but when you look at where else it can go you just take that

[frosty canyon]

lol fair enough

[main timber]

Class tree points are mostly just "do whatever you want" outside of tier 3

[wheat cape]

I tried to figure this out earlier. There really isn't a good option for that talent point. You HAVE to spend it somewhere to get access to the rest of the tree

[fickle garden]

Hpals biggest issue are just massive talent design flaws, gameplay wise it’s mostly fun

[wheat cape]

The guardians, ferals and boomkins haven't figured out they have a way to be useful outside of respeccing to resto

[novel garnet]

another point in killer instinct?

[wheat cape]

It doesn't make a big difference. Do it if you feel better

[main timber]

Also useless but you can if you want

[grand herald]

I was about to ask the same :^)

[wise galleon]

Is there a way to not have the arcane empowerment buff/debuff of taking the book in the library (MT) on raidframes?

[novel garnet]

like also primal fury instead of asteral influnce

[wise galleon]

It kinda fucks up my whole shit

[main timber]

ok no that's crazy

[grand herald]

I could just do upgrade finder and calc expected value myself

[main timber]

Don't do that

[grand herald]

But imagine if voulk did it for me

[chilly dawn]

In Raid, which burst potion is the best? Recklessness or Light potential?

[bright swift]

Recklessness

[novel garnet]

maybe for Lu'ra yeah there is a range problem

but other than that never had any

[bright swift]

heh?

[main timber]

You are not going to really cast any cat spells, and quite a few fights have spread targets

+5 yard range is significantly better than the garbage it competes with

[wise galleon]

No way to blacklist debuffs so I just have a debuff overlapping over the glaives debuff if we take book?

[grand herald]

Welcome to midnight

[wheat cape]

Is it a buff or a debuff? I've been using Harrek's for buff tracking and I don't see the book icon

[fervent mica]

empowerment doesn't show up on base frames. gl

[wise galleon]

Its a debuff

[wheat cape]

Either my groups don't pick it up or the default frames are filtering it automagically

[wise galleon]

Ye im using grid2

zamn...

[peak charm]

no one?

[rustic copper]

Post your wcl

[thorn plover]

205 messages in the last 19 mins wtf

[peak charm]

[thorn plover]

No vault pics so no server up I guess

[rustic copper]

I think it’s WS photo apex that’s strong

Yeah

[spark river]

how do i play

2 tv

niko

[thorn plover]

Drop germ

😏

Actually we need germ for photo now

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/oopsies-ohno-gif-25793283

[wheat cape]

is there any truth to the claim that resto druids steal other healer's healing? 🙂

[cursive pagoda]

isnt this one of the strongest talents for resto?

lol

[wheat cape]

apparently some of my healer ex guildies complained about me

[grand herald]

Every healer steals eachothers healing

[cursive pagoda]

thats the dumbest thing i've ever heard

[grand herald]

Its a zero sum game

[fervent mica]

bad players blame anything they can make up

[cursive pagoda]

steal healing.. if a player needs healing they need to get healed, people really are just playing the details game i guess

[prime jacinth]

If no one dies, the healers win. Its a team game after all

[cursive pagoda]

youre stealing my healing on that low health teamate man.. dont heal and let me heal them...

[rustic copper]

Photo 2 min convoke

[bright swift]

[spark river]

Yeah

[cursive pagoda]

how strong is convoke btw? havent been able to test yet

[spark river]

thats what i said

will see if its an absolute disaster

[cursive pagoda]

can i comfortably rely on it to carry my healing in scary damage windows?

[rustic copper]

I think 2 min convoke is fine

But 2 tv goes crazy

[frosty canyon]

protip, if you're not leading healing meters for your guild just stand in shit

[cursive pagoda]

2 tv?

[grand herald]

Raid? You need to ramp into it

[spark river]

I really want to play the heavy regrowth style

[cursive pagoda]

whats that again?

[cursive pagoda]

no m+

i wont be raid healing personally

[grand herald]

M+? It can be a bit of a oh shit button

[cursive pagoda]

at least i dont plan to, kinda intimidating to me

[spark river]

tv is thriving vegetation

[grand herald]

But still better to be ramped

[cursive pagoda]

yeah thats what i was hoping

[wheat cape]

I just thought it was how resto druid was designed. If I do my job right and prepare for incoming damage, I am already healing many people when all the healthbar drops, reducing the available healing from almost every raid member

[frosty canyon]

it's easier than M+ imo

[haughty ibex]

in m+ yeah 99% of the times id say, is not super strong st spot healing but big aoe healing + hots

[cursive pagoda]

so if im just panicking and cant think straight and i need to press somehting RIGHT NOW. i just convoke and it will work?

[whole horizon]

every healer does that, that's why it's silly

[haughty ibex]

yep

[grand herald]

Yeah and other classes can steal your healing by burst healing everyone to full

[cursive pagoda]

have that happen sometimes where i panic and stop thinking straight

[fervent mica]

except the other specs can burst a bunch of healing as soon as damage comes out.... where your hots are ticking. it goes both ways... so assuming anyone is stealing anything is just dumb

[grand herald]

So your hots tick on nothing

[grand herald]

Raid healing is chill, you have co healers so way less responsibility

[past tusk]

you also have tranq

[wheat cape]

I got called a rat padder a few years ago and it just made me laugh

[cursive pagoda]

yeah tranq i keep forgetting about

can that be very strong too?

[night sorrel]

@cursive pagoda You can also use convoke right before major dmg windows to apply free hots in raid since convoke uses no mana.

[sour galleon]

rat padding is the most fun thing to do

[night sorrel]

Then that will help you be less stressed

[cursive pagoda]

oh right its a great way to aoe hot people up

then i can swiftmend rejuv and id proabably have germs on a lot of people

[night sorrel]

then swiftmend one and apply rejuv to 3 ppl or regrowth multiple ppl

[grand herald]

I wouldnt use it right before

Use convoke while people are hurt

[haughty ibex]

i would use as dmg is coming out

oh wait raid then idk

[cursive pagoda]

nah m+

[night sorrel]

In M+ its not needed

[shy palm]

can you link? cant find the new dps guide

[night sorrel]

u can use it as a flex option

realistically

[grand herald]

Tranq is strong these days

[cursive pagoda]

thats cool

[night sorrel]

unless you dont hot ppl properly u wont need to rush convoke

[cursive pagoda]

tranq reminds me of a healing ability in eso, i like a strong channeled heal like that

[haughty ibex]

i mean idk I wouldn’t rly want to waste convoke just to apply hots when I can chill and do it myself

[wheat cape]

my favourite one is hotting up someone with the heal absorb on crown and someone dispels the full health target 🙂

[cursive pagoda]

thats true, and it will still apply the hots as it goes when using it in the damage window

[past tusk]

and dont forget nature's swiftness when you need to panic heal a low hp team mate

[cursive pagoda]

imagine if they gave healers the ability to remove bleeds with their cleanse btw

[cursive pagoda]

yeah I might be macroing it into convoke to make it super strong

[grizzled seal]

✅

[wheat cape]

Does nature's swiftness apply to all of the regrowths you can apply when it is SotF'd?

[past tusk]

doesnt work anymore I think with convoke

[cursive pagoda]

unless its removed, heard someone say it might be

[grand herald]

I have great news for you

[cursive pagoda]

what

[grand herald]

Evoker exists!

[gentle nova]

Man never played evoker in bis life

[haughty ibex]

aug smile

[cursive pagoda]

they remove bleeds?

[grand herald]

Yup

[haughty ibex]

yes 1min cd

[crude basin]

So are we taking Liveliness or Master Shape Shifter for Mythic Plus now?

[cursive pagoda]

with that one red ability?

and aug gets it too?

thats really nice

i really should try evoker at some point tbh, i like builder spenders and they seem cool

[gentle nova]

[rustic copper]

Did you try it

[grizzled seal]

nope

I am EU

[rustic copper]

Us isn’t up

[grizzled seal]

you are the guinea pig bro

[lament river]

Ms

[rustic copper]

I was using it on Lura all week

[wheat cape]

God bless those Americans, testing the waters for the true gamers. Thank you for your sacrifice.

[grizzled seal]

how much was your convoke doing?

[cursive pagoda]

🫡

[novel wraith]

[rustic copper]

🤡 I have no idea

[jovial sand]

Does anyone know if loot you've gotten from vault, that is m+ loot, counts towards the bonus roll? Like I have 2 slots from nexus on myth track, so can I still get them from bonus roll?

[grand herald]

Its ok, surely nothing will be broken

[glossy holly]

did heal addons got changed since stepping into midnight (long time wow vacation)

[cursive pagoda]

8 hour maintenance is really something though.

[grand herald]

Every addon got changed pretty much

[cursive pagoda]

theres benefits to both na and eu tbh

[grand herald]

Midnight is a new world

[formal fjord]

all teh things changed addon wise -> no offically supported weakauras

[glossy holly]

grid and vuhdo cut down?

[wheat cape]

waits an entire day while your God fearing peers are bonus rolling

[crude basin]

Ms instead now? Do we lose muchhealing?

[narrow hinge]

Why do we pick thriving vegetation instead of reforestation?

[wheat cape]

Wednesday is a better reset day, anyway. It makes the mid week better

[cosmic spoke]

will photosynthesis works with new apex changes?

[formal fjord]

yep its wednesday here

[main timber]

Yes

[molten gull]

this maintenance is silly

[boreal karma]

It’s better

[grand herald]

Cause TV very strong and tree doesn't have any synergies with WS

[past tusk]

when owlweaving in this patch, do ppl even bother with moonfire/sunfire? or just spam starfire/wrath

[bright swift]

[main timber]

[grand herald]

Man

The patch notes really fucked people up huh

[haughty ibex]

afaik yes, u still can get it. u can’t get only stuff u reroll or smth

[grand herald]

They gonna be real surprised

[cyan minnow]

[main timber]

The best part is it means nobody ever read or knew what their live version did

[grizzled seal]

This is either someone extremely stupid or someone paid off to push pro druid propaganda

[mystic crater]

big druid wins once again. . .

[grand herald]

Yeah 100% lol

[molten gull]

i mean most people dont know numbers of everything in their kit, so when a patch note says "this is going from 30/60 to 25/50" that is pretty easy to form a conclusion of "nerf", but yeah.. they aren't comparing to live which is so stupid

[bright swift]

[main timber]

Yeah but wouldn't that note just cause you to think "wait a minute, what is it right now"

[pulsar kettle]

[hardy canopy]

[boreal karma]

[bright swift]

9 upvotes

people agree with this

[boreal karma]

Make it 10

[grizzled seal]

I am upvoting this

[main timber]

Competitive wow is a known meme though

[wheat cape]

It slightly confused me because the patch notes were changing something that didn't even match what my talents were

[grizzled seal]

Misinformation campaign

[boreal karma]

Same

[silk ice]

They also see 5 blooms to 3 and think nerf to small group healing

[boreal karma]

Maybe we can squeeze out a lil 3% aura buff

[graceful ermine]

So are we running HB in m+ now?

[molten gull]

I mean I multi-class, so I wouldn't think like that, I'd just look at patch notes and see "nerf to this, buff to that" and guage how it is going to impact the class. I'm not saying that is the perfect way to do things, but I think MOST users would be more likely to go about it this way, rather than someone who dives really deep

[boreal karma]

[hardy canopy]

yes

[graceful ermine]

Okay wowhead builds aren't updated yet then

[main timber]

They are updated

[boreal karma]

What’s hb

[graceful ermine]

I don't see hb

[boreal karma]

[pulsar kettle]

harmonious blooming

[bright swift]

[pulsar kettle]

also why would we run hb in keys now

?

[grand herald]

Simply dive really deep into every class you play, ez pz

[bright swift]

the smartest minds of the community are coming out

[boreal karma]

[grizzled seal]

WHERE IS ZIMBITA

CALL ZIMBITA

[pulsar kettle]

lead in the water dude

[boreal karma]

BLOQUED

[rustic copper]

3 mastery stacks at 35% mastery is 105% more apex healing

That’s got to be op

[grand herald]

...are they talking about us?

[bright swift]

yes

[grand herald]

Wow

[wheat cape]

Am I reading that correct that they think the 8% refers to a healer's damage?

[bright swift]

they do think that

[grizzled seal]

https://tenor.com/view/doug-maclean-nhl-hockey-stats-statistics-gif-13408391465163304912

[wheat cape]

Oh good god.

[pulsar kettle]

they see some dumbass wowhead post about estimated buffs/nerfs

[haughty ibex]

i got blocked on tiktok for commenting resto druid is getting buffed and not nerfed under someones post 😔

[pulsar kettle]

and cant think critically for 2 seconds

[dense lantern]

Reddit fucked people up

[bright swift]

on fucking tiktok

yeah I'm sure the smartest minds are also there

[haughty ibex]

idk this fuckass disci priest guy typing easy key? while heaing a 16

and i argued with a guy under

[boreal karma]

[haughty ibex]

and i got blocked by both w/e

[ornate pollen]

r/competitivewow.. "hey, I'm 280 and having trouble with 11s"

[wheat cape]

By the way, AI is trained on all of the reddit posts and comments. Those AI overviews are concentrated pure reddit user

[boreal karma]

Tough times

Where can I argue

[haughty ibex]

literally

[boreal karma]

[rustic copper]

@wicked forum

[graceful ermine]

I heard people talking about it, and it was always a flex choice. I just didn't know if the math ended up such that the apex changes made it significantly more attractive. I have no idea what I would drop for it

[bright swift]

wow

[sudden sparrow]

Hey all with the changes today is it at all worth casting for damage over cat? I'd assume no but not sure if we know

[wheat cape]

So is it roughly 8% more, assuming you are currently using the apex? It would be even more if you start using them after the buff

[dense lantern]

i miss zimbita

[jovial tartan]

You will harness its ability to stack healing modifiers on your lifebloom target to do incredible healing. <-- what does dis mean 😭

[dense lantern]

who said that

[jovial tartan]

wowhead

[wheat cape]

Lifebloom bloom cleaves. If they take increased healing % the bloom will aoe bloom more

[dense lantern]

crazy voulk becoming a creative writer

[dense lantern]

it means that more hots onto your lb target = more healing

[quartz maple]

From a damage perspective, what do you use the 5 combo points on after hitting HOTW since we don't have RIP any more? Bite?

[tough portal]

Right, if you dont know what Everbloom does you cant gauge whether it's a buff or a nerf mate

[wheat cape]

Nuance exists?

[dense lantern]

nance exists

[molten gull]

? You can see that 60 down to 50 is a nerf.

[prime jacinth]

Are we taking harmonious blooming? I dont see it on the wowhead talent guide

[molten gull]

Don't be patronizing

[rustic copper]

That’s messed up

Unblock him he’s changed

[jovial tartan]

tyty

[grand herald]

Caster damage better now

[boreal karma]

[fervent mica]

except you never had 60.

[sacred wasp]

wow subs 😂

[tough portal]

How does that contradict what I said? Your not understanding what the talents do made you mis-interpret what the notes meant. You couldnt recognize that it was a buff cuz of that, so you couldn't accurately gauge it.

[strange raft]

Will we be running Apex now in raid then?

[sacred wasp]

wow subs are just 2k players and aotc heroes upvoting the wrong information

[grand herald]

Yes

[pulsar kettle]

yes

[boreal karma]

Yes

[grizzled seal]

are you memeing with us rn or serious

[pulsar kettle]

hes serious.

[wheat cape]

Nobody ever got that 60% so it wasn't truly nerfed. If a spell you could never use gets nerfed, was it ever really nerfed at all?

[molten gull]

I'm not saying its a nerf, I'm saying its not a shock that the language has confused people

[tough portal]

Right, and I'm saying I wish these people would not draw conclusions about things they dont understand

[barren trout]

That was from one version of PTR to the next

[silk ice]

To be fair, wasn’t it previously all LB healing to just the bloom healing getting cleaved?

[tough portal]

And look to understand them first

[main timber]

I think the bare minimum really is to read the entire notes for one spec if you are going to discuss it

[molten gull]

Yeah which was where a lot of people were judging the change from. The wowhead patch notes now are more clear.

[sacred wasp]

historically people also ignore all context in conversations when engaging so it makes sense to ignore patch notes

[tough portal]

Sure but then the note from 12.0.1 to 12.0.5 is 30 -> 50, not 60 -> 50

[thorn plover]

Clearly a nerf what are you on about

[molten gull]

I'm just saying its not crazy to understand why there was confusion. I'm not saying it is confusing now

[sacred wasp]

number go down

[glass crane]

wowhead and icyveins headlines are not a great way to stay informed of class changes

[boreal karma]

It’s from 5 to 3 blooms

We are nerfed

It’s confirmed

[tough portal]

It's also 2 -> 6

[thorn plover]

🤯

[wheat cape]

but also the 2/3 ranks are from 2 people to 6, right?

[tough portal]

We are buffed

[silk ice]

Yeah, 30 of all healing to 50 of bloom only healing can go either way, and less blooms, it is not straightforward

[vagrant grove]

I read on WoWhead that the Druid gets an overall 8% buff, and even more if you play with Apex (since Apex is heavily buffed). So, will we be using Apex in raids starting tomorrow?

[bright swift]

they ignore that

[ornate pollen]

why MS over lively for WS raid? isn't 5% faster hots pretty big for blooms assuming no mana issue?

[barren trout]

Also 50% bloom healing (about 50% of overall LB healing atleast in my own logs) to 6 targets compared to 30% to 2 targets

[silk ice]

I think your Twitter is much better for class changes

Mattiu’s is a close second

[thorn plover]

Tf is apex legends

[sacred wasp]

if playing apex legends do you go lifeline or castle

[bright swift]

if you have no mana issues you play embrace

[wheat cape]

it depends on your mana mangement. switch to embrace the dream

[tough portal]

"Pretty big" is hard to call it, but Embrace would presumably be better if you dont need MS

[sacred wasp]

god i love patch day

[ornate pollen]

oh, that makes sense

[bright swift]

too slow old man

[tough portal]

It's br internet

[main timber]

I think MS is unnecessary for very good players but I wasn't comfortable dropping it in a wowhead guide

I did add a section on that on the talents page though

[bright swift]

even slower older man

[wheat cape]

is your br on cd?

[thorn plover]

You think anyone will read it?

[main timber]

Nah

[ornate pollen]

can I play reforestation so I don't get too bored?

[bright swift]

how

[tough portal]

Hard to reach it

[prime jacinth]

Whats going on with harmonious blooming? Do we take it in raid or m+?

[ornate pollen]

can't you get it off bounty?

[wheat cape]

it's nowhere near as good without a second lb

[ornate pollen]

oh wait, disregard, sorry

[silk ice]

It’s not for people to read, it’s for people here to reference and link to when it’s asked

[thorn plover]

Ah

Thanks for clarifying

[main timber]

Useful shield for me

[boreal karma]

No points in raid build

[ornate pollen]

HB in M+ just to save the aug or what?

[thorn plover]

Aug is bait

[wheat cape]

aug can't die

[glass crane]

you haven't been keeping up with m+ logs if you think aug is bati

[boreal karma]

You got baited

[glass crane]

the spec astrogaps when you play around it

[boreal karma]

[thorn plover]

Problem is so many people are playing it as a free invite at the 16 key level and don't actually play it properly

[unique sedge]

So there's no way to reuse tree from reforestation if you roar for example

[thorn plover]

Pug aug is bait

[mild tree]

sorry if its been asked before, does the spell damage buff will open up boomie builds for healing, or its still cat form to do damage whhen we get the time because of bleeds?

[thorn plover]

No

[ornate pollen]

I only played last week as my first week, but aug made things feel pretty free

[wheat cape]

I also noticed this and it saddened me every time a roar was called for. I am the only druid on our dragons prog

[grand herald]

Caster dps will be better in M+

[ornate pollen]

define better. better... pad?

[tough portal]

Just better mate

Useless fighting this

[wheat cape]

how do you pad damage as a healer?

especially on a single target boss

[sacred wasp]

did u ever get around to adding those extra stacks of mastery to that mastery chart? would be useful for the HB discussions going on

[tough portal]

"For healing" is a tough call, DOC likely stays as a meme talent for easier content than you could be doing, but it's certainly better for Starfire spam than it is for Catweaving

[silk ice]

Healers heal. Any damage above 0 is padding

[main timber]

No, it's on my list but there is an insane amount to do right now

[wheat cape]

if only we used healing over time and had moments of everyone being healthy for us to do damage

[tough portal]

it's just -.1 per stack

[mild tree]

reason im asking because in my head a couple of gcds worth of bleed might still goes a long way, but maybe mf/sf is viable after this

[main timber]

Stop baiting, and also stop falling for obvious bait

[grand herald]

Just afk

[tranquil olive]

Random dumb question… does anyone know if the apex change causes blooms from photosynthesis to splash, or only the natural ending bloom? Sorry if that’s been asked

[tough portal]

1 0.7 0.6 0.5 0.4 0.3 0.2

[pulsar kettle]

all blooms.

[weary lantern]

Is there any way to influence which spells my convoke will cast? e.g. having an enemy targeted = more dmg spells, having a friendly targeted = more healing spells or smth like that? (besides form based stuff)

[sacred wasp]

oh W rizz

[cosmic saffron]

why damage when you can jump around?

[grand herald]

SF still bad afaik, you just gonna be wrathing/starsurge in st and starfire in aoe

[glass crane]

1 - .7 = ?

[ornate pollen]

ah, so HB is actually useless, got it

in raid

[main timber]

Not useless but in raid you definitely don't have points

[ornate pollen]

yea

[tough portal]

Moonfire and Sunfire arent worth pressing either, only as a movement filler. Starfire all the way down mate.

[tranquil olive]

Okay that’s pretty awesome

[wheat cape]

would the extra 90%ish mastery on your lifebloom target make the apex cleave better? 🙂

[mild tree]

thanks for the quick answer!

[main timber]

What does 90% mastery mean

[silk ice]

You could outrange all enemies and you’ll get only healing spells, but no real control

[main timber]

but yes mastery buffs the cleave

[wheat cape]

3 stacks of mastery with like 30% of mastery

[main timber]

That isn't how mastery works

[glass crane]

uh oh

[ornate pollen]

Yes it is, check Reddit

[grand herald]

Mastery does not work like that

[grizzled seal]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[weary lantern]

so if I'm in urgent need of healing and press convoke theres a chance I only get wraths and everyone dies? that sounds really bad

[tough portal]

IF IT WAS it would still not be 90% more healing

[pulsar kettle]

this shit cray

[main timber]

#resto message

[wheat cape]

oh you told us to stop baiting

🙂

[drowsy isle]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-eat-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-12567454887078541885

[main timber]

You get a roughly set amount of DPS spells

[silk ice]

No, you’ll get more healing spells than dps ones

[thorn plover]

this cant be real

[boreal karma]

I love it

[silk ice]

But that’s beyond your control unless you can outrange every enemy but be in range of your allies which isn’t realistic

[weary lantern]

hm okay. thank you

[rustic copper]

How much is hb actually

[topaz folio]

Hello I am next in line to ask: Are we using Apex in raid now? XD

[boreal karma]

90%

[grizzled seal]

2 extra mastery stacks

[main timber]

HB is easy to analyze properly once we have logs

[boreal karma]

If you have 30% mastery

[versed fiber]

lol

[rustic copper]

If I have lb 2 rejuvs and rg with 30% mastery how much % more does my apex do if I take hb

Like 10%?

[boreal karma]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-suck-sucker-sucking-gif-13638182052461067209

[sacred wasp]

oneteen

[thorn plover]

6-7

[ornate pollen]

no symbiotic or wg?

[rustic copper]

Symbiotic does not count, wg is not controllable

[boreal karma]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[rustic copper]

Check your personal wg uptime in raid

[tough portal]

Why does symbiotic not count

[grand herald]

Guide updated use guide guide good

[rustic copper]

Ohhh bloom I thought relationship

Ok it counts

But i dont know the uptime

[ornate pollen]

should be good with implant?

Or does implant not give it to your target if they don't have it?

[grizzled kayak]

Are we still going to play windstalker in m+ or are we changing to keeper if we choosing balance talents (M+)

[thorn plover]

@grand herald @prime jacinth explain yourselves

[lunar steppe]

I hate owlweaving
It’s Sus

[tough portal]

11% in this case
With WG it's ~7.6%
With Symbiotic it's a little less

[grizzled seal]

you always have symbiotic for the apex blooms

you are only missing them for photo procs occasionally

[grand herald]

We choose for healing, not dps

[ornate pollen]

how are you guaranteed symbiotic? implant?

[grizzled seal]

yes

[rustic copper]

11% for hb no wg no blooms

Yeah that’s fucking worthless

[grizzled seal]

it's even less realistically

[rustic copper]

Yeppp

[grizzled seal]

lb, 2 rejuvs, rg, symbiotic

that's 5 stacks minimum

[grizzled kayak]

And I guess then windstalker will still win in healing?

[tough portal]

Yeah now it's strictly a healing vs damage choice for M+
WS better healing - KOTG better damage

[grizzled seal]

it should be around 8%?

[sacred wasp]

windstalker sounds fire

[ornate pollen]

I don't see how WS would be worse than keeper, but we'll see

[grand herald]

For implant, does your WG target matter for it?

[grizzled seal]

oh face already counted

[wheat cape]

kind of a no brainer choice - your role is healer

[sacred wasp]

yeah

kotg.

[rustic copper]

It would be good if you could always get the wg hot on yourself but you can’t control it

[glass crane]

would you rather have a healing spec that does 1B hps and 0 dps or 100M hps and 100M dps?

[rustic copper]

You sm yourself every time

[grand herald]

It just chooses a random person that gets one of the WG buffs?