resto

[golden gust]

fair enuff

honestly rn its so difficult for me to do any catweaving ik im inexperienced and itll prob come with time but even if it was dogshit dmg, its def not trolling if im able to cast more dmg spells comfortably while not falling behind

ill prob jus stick with this for the forseeable future even if they nerf it and give catweaving another go once i fully understand wtf im doing

[tulip flax]

Should our WG cd remain as Base CD

[naive sonnet]

When in ToL and Abundance +12 should I cast more Rejuvs or spam Regrowths?

[waxen ingot]

what

[waxen ingot]

if people are taking dmg

rg

if you want to spread some rg hots before dmg

rg

if there wont be any big dmg in near future

rj

[tulip flax]

Future tiers

[waxen ingot]

I still dont get what you are asking

if you are talking about 2 seconds on tier

[slow pasture]

Well we have no info about next tier

[waxen ingot]

it probably wont

[tulip flax]

I don't want WG cd to go back to OG now

8 Sec instead of 7 sec will also work

[tough portal]

What is the practical difference between using Rake and using Moonfire? Shred or Wrath?

Why can you sit for 2s hard casting a Starfire but not press an instant 1s gcd Rake idgi

[slow pasture]

What @waxen ingot said.
Rg in ToL isn’t that bad. It’s just frontloaded and shines while moving. The cycle remains the same.

ToL just doesnt bring anything in m+ where the additional wg a
Target are worthless et we just gain mana efficiency on content where we can drink and don’t even need innerv

[naive sonnet]

Forgot to mention this is raid healing.
Had to heal on Vaelgor myth yesterday and struggeld a bit.

[bright swift]

Just bin ToL man

shit is not gonna be good next week

[slow pasture]

Tldr : you can rg in ToL in raid.
ToL doesn’t bring anything in m+

[naive sonnet]

So unless there is something to front load healing into we spam Rejuvs?

[waxen ingot]

Is our healing "easier" next week?

[bright swift]

not really

[waxen ingot]

Since we use alot into apex / blooms / lb

[bright swift]

you'll get a lot of free healing from apex sure

but you still have to ramp properly

[tulip flax]

What's changing i am not up to date

[bright swift]

and regrowth properly

[waxen ingot]

I mean same as before but u get the free lifebloom hps

[tame arrow]

Hi have a question about upgrading system 🙂 i crafted a weapon with myth crests. When i get a weapon on myth track, is upgrading to 5/6 free or do i have to use all crests?

[stiff rose]

You don't have to use crest if you already used crest for the exact same spot for the exact same track

You didn't for your mythic weapon, so it should not be free for another weapon ^^

[fervent mica]

285 will only cost gold

[tough portal]

Hm?

[marsh prism]

huh.

[tame arrow]

So crafting counts as myth track i guess right? 😁 ty guys

[marsh prism]

yes

just also making sure that guy knows that is misinfo

[stiff rose]

Well, i've been misinformed 🙁 i'm sorry that i've spread that

(i've been told that about my heroic chest I've crafted at the begining of the extension, not knowing about how everythings worked^^')

[frozen prairie]

what's this

[bright swift]

that's a talent build

[proven phoenix]

a class tree build even

[frozen prairie]

no sunfire?

[proven phoenix]

yeah no sunfire is very common

sunfire sucks

[frozen prairie]

interesting.

[proven phoenix]

take sunfire one key and keep 100% uptime on it through the dungeon and see how much damage you get

[smoky sail]

love the casual rake point

[frozen prairie]

i mean rake you pick because you still want to cat HotW on bosses i guess

[fervent mica]

rake stun is better than anything else you can get in that part of the tree /-:

[onyx trail]

who up raking they stuns

[marsh prism]

ME

[fervent mica]

you're too busy laking your stuns

[proven phoenix]

who up raking they stuns

[onyx trail]

NICE

[onyx trail]

ME

[proven phoenix]

not me

im eepy

[fervent mica]

busy bricking keys

had a tank fall off during last boss npx...

didn't know that was a thing

[ionic shore]

beautiful

[proven phoenix]

thats incredible

[hard loom]

🤣🤣🤣

[ionic shore]

ive grown so used to healing my monk partner that any time I heal a new tank it's a flashbang
I had a BDK die repeatedly due to his belief that he was a monk and not, in fact, a dead person

[frozen prairie]

if i am playing my key which is 99% of time bdk is banned in my keys. Unless i know him already

[ionic shore]

that's so real

[languid raven]

Hey all if I just wanna chill and cast and throw some dots and wraths without going cat, is keeper grove the play? Or still wstalk?

[ionic shore]

I point blank refuse to touch paladins
BDKs are fine if they're my friends but paladins can perish

[fervent mica]

ws, but dots are pretty bad right now.

come tuesday caster stuff getting buffed so starfire/wrath your heart out

[languid raven]

Sweet as, still as ws though?

[fervent mica]

yeah, ws is just more healing

[languid raven]

do cast dots even trigger the blood vines ?

[frozen prairie]

they should have reduced casting time of stafire for real. Idc if they nerf a bit damage in the process

so damn annoying to cast and i really hope it will be worth to cast it

[fervent mica]

nah

[ionic shore]

oh that reminds me, do we ever use dream of cenarius with these buffs?

[fervent mica]

if you want to do like... low keys?

[ionic shore]

one of my friends loves the talent so he's been asking
that's fair, I'm still trying to make my way up to 16s rn

[plain steeple]

How big are your blooms on average? Around 25k or 30k?

[proven phoenix]

doc is a fun meme thing with starfire spam but the thing with doc is that its either enough to heal a pull meaning u could've healed it without doc or its not enough to heal a pull at all

either useless or enough strong enough kinda talent

[ionic shore]

that makes sense

[plain steeple]

I tried a key with doc yesterday.
25k dps (most of it from starfire) and it did ~3% heal.

[proven phoenix]

sounds about right

[plain steeple]

And if you don’t pick DoC, you could pick NB instead and get a LOT of stacks for your kotg bonus dmg talent.

And have more heal when you need it.

[rustic coyote]

I have a question related to last boss in Maisara. Yesterday I pushed a +16, everthing went smooth until the last boss. The damage out there was quite high during totem phase, any tips on that fight?

[waxen ingot]

Tranq 1st totems

SW NS RG 2nd

convoke 3rd

[rustic coyote]

VI or Prosp there? Because I am running VI at the moment, swichted from Prosp

[waxen ingot]

(I dont think im doing this tbh but if you struggle with it this is a ig decent to follow)

[waxen ingot]

I run VI

[rustic coyote]

Thanks for the tip, that's nice to keep in mind the SW NS RG as a mini cd

[thorn whale]

You should convoke first

Surely there is 1 min between 1st and 3rd totems right?

[bright swift]

Is there even 3 totems

[thorn whale]

Yeah

[bright swift]

then there isn't 1 min

the entire phase is just over 1 min

[thorn whale]

Hm

Then it doesn’t matter when you convoke

If it’s 1 or 2

[waxen ingot]

convoke for dmg :P

[rustic coyote]

I usually convoke first and tranq second

[bright swift]

if there's actually 3

[waxen ingot]

This is the first time i got to that boss on an 18 so i miss played but u can get the idea

[bright swift]

then you should have personals 1st

convoke 2nd

tranq 3rd

[thorn whale]

Yeah

[rustic coyote]

Thanks for sharing, I was struggling a bit healing wise with not everyone using personals too, and by the end of live phase 1 I had 1 player dying.

[waxen ingot]

Based on this i could of

used SW RG where i used 1st convoke

[rustic coyote]

I will keep in mind this suggestion too, thanks vrocas

[waxen ingot]

and saved convoke for the 2nd hit of 2nd totems

and everyone would of been full hp

whole time

but i panicked a bit on that convoke ngl

[rustic coyote]

Ye, I saw that huge drop by the end. You recovered amazingly though XD

[waxen ingot]

dont be scared to use a pot for healing too

700 main stat

is so much healing

like its crazy strong

i just save it for dps phase but like that trolling most of the time

[rustic coyote]

I do usually, I always have pots as a big stat boost

[ionic shore]

oh hey, do we have a thing for what abbreviations mean btw?

because I'm forgetting a lot of them and getting lost a bit

[rustic coyote]

I usually save them for some pull mistakes or when I see that things are getting spicy

[waxen ingot]

wowhead has it ig

[ionic shore]

k
ty

[waxen ingot]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/druid/restoration/glossary-terms#:~:text=Curious about what that means for your,teach you all about popular abbreviations and

[ionic shore]

appreciated

[astral folio]

Does anyone know - on paladins mythic the Elekk charge after Sacred shield goes on one or two most further players?

[grizzled seal]

No, it's like 3-4 I think

We use a lot of players to bait it

[fervent mica]

we tried with 2 and it didn't work... moved a 3rd and its worked every time

but could just be getting lucky

[bitter ember]

we did 3bait and it worked

[astral folio]

Thank you

[sick dust]

if on tuesday we switch to owlweaving, will starfire/wrath generate mana even if master shapershifter is not skilled?

[bright swift]

you should spec MS

[fervent mica]

you'll be casting but without owl. you don't generate without ms... but its going to be suggested to spec

[sick dust]

even in m+?

[bright swift]

yeah it's more starfire dmg

[fervent mica]

caster dots are pretty weak, so the other option is sad

[sick dust]

but isn't not taking liveliness a de facto 5% heal reduce for hots? Or is the overall healed the same but slower

[fervent mica]

more like 2%

[bright swift]

5% hot healing

it's definitely not a big deal

[fervent mica]

livliness was taken for damage and to path to photo

[half timber]

being back at healing after a small pause, im curious on something. Is the healers fault that DPS die so fast and fold like paper or is their fault for not pressing defensives or using kicks, or CCs.

[wise galleon]

Re-imported the QEgrid2 profile because mine was a bit outdated. I'm really not making critiques just wondering if:
a) i cant see rogue defensives on it, we dont care about them? I remember on the previous version I could constantly see subtletly shadow blades buff (idk why)
b) why are defensives shown so small as this image
c) If anyone uses this profile, can they confirm debuffs appear top left corner and dont overlap with anything else? I dont know where to test this stuff

[fervent mica]

if you think about it like that then its likely yours

[wise galleon]

(i just changed the direction of shields but its all default)

also why is rogue classcolor not yellow but some sort of pink gradient, so many questions

[wise galleon]

actually I cant see any defensive at all in a follower dungeon, I cant see on whom I apply bark either

[half timber]

do you mean me or the other guy?

[wise galleon]

now i can see them wtf, weird

[radiant narwhal]

@marsh prism are you raiding tonight!!

[marsh prism]

no, tomorrow

why

[radiant narwhal]

ah damn wanted to cheer you guys on

[primal jungle]

we also accept gold donations

[cursive pilot]

Can’t heal stupid

[dense lantern]

He means you

[proven phoenix]

a lot of healers asked for nerfing defensives

healing is awful as a role when a lot of dps can be entirely self sufficient

[dense lantern]

from my observations this is true only in low keys rn

and in low keys people aren't pressing their defensives anyways

[proven phoenix]

I think in pretty much any weekly level key u can heal any amount of stupid

especially as this spec

[proven phoenix]

thats because people are gravitating to tanky melee in high keys anyway

play with a mage or aug and u figure out how squishy some classes can be

[dense lantern]

I play mage

[dense lantern]

But like, I think you misunderstood

I was saying that in higher keys people can't be carried by defensives alone anymore

[proven phoenix]

oh

well honestly some classes still can

but generally yeah I agree

dk, ret paladin, warlock even dh to an extent

notice how all of these classes also happen to be meta specs

[half timber]

why nerfing them?

[west topaz]

if we have max abundance and convoke then we got a shot at healing Their Dumb

if not then ha ha uhoh

[proven phoenix]

because its awful as a healer when your role is just redundant

[dense lantern]

Because whats the point of playing a healer if you can just play dps

[weak zenith]

Because healing profiles fucking suck if defensives are op

[half timber]

Ohh

[dense lantern]

Early df you could time half of the dungeons with no healer

[half timber]

so it actually isnt my fault for them not pressing defensives, i see

[dense lantern]

It is your fault for not healing them

[west topaz]

people will grab healthstones and not use them either

[half timber]

yea i saw clips of that, tho im playing wow since legion remix xd

[dense lantern]

Hey thats me

[proven phoenix]

you can heal through anyone not pressing defensives in any weekly key

[dense lantern]

And tbh I would say that in this case "weekly" actually means sub-15ish

[west topaz]

binding efflo to our LB makes things a bit annoying these days because you cannot cast efflo to a ranged person and LB on tank anymore to sorta split it on purpose, and you can't really justify doing either on yourself

[half timber]

I do heal them, but sometimes they take so much damage where it gets pretty close that they just die tho. Like Emberwing fight in Windrunners, how do you guys make sure everybody stays alive

[west topaz]

everyone stands so fken far

[spark river]

I was just going to say up to 15 yeah

[half timber]

and im just doing 10s for gear lol

[west topaz]

the only thing you can do is get high abundance stacks ramped up and wild growth on CD always and swiftmend on CD really, you need to also feel the fight out and know when to convoke

[wise galleon]

Not pressing defensive on dps from my own perspective puts the healer in a position of getting out of mana quickly and having to stress out a lot, if an overlap occurs and someone dies (multiple bolts + dots) and no DPS are pressing def or interrupting then it just happens they die, you should still heal, you can "carry bad skills" untill a certain point

[west topaz]

like in 10s if you're doing it right, you wont even need tranq. it's literally just there to help you if you do need it

if you're doing it right, you would still use it obv but that's just the feeling

[spark river]

You re not running out of mana on a druid

If you play properly

[west topaz]

your mana will go to like half at most or a lil over half if somebody is being a dummy temporarily

[dense lantern]

(even if people aren't pressing their defensives)

[west topaz]

then you start eating when encounter is over

[wise galleon]

Well I guess I dont play properly and when there is more to heal I get oom more

[spark river]

And when we spec ms after reset you ll never run out of mana for eternity

[west topaz]

you can swiftmend the rejuv to make it splash more btw idk if you forgot

to like hurry it up with that

[half timber]

if i need mana i do sip in short bursts tho for like 3-4 sec depending on how much I need

[dense lantern]

You shouldn't be drinking at all if playing properly btw

[west topaz]

catweave max 5 combo points, just bite somebody and you get mana back

[cursive pilot]

Oom Druid? 500 regrowths 15 rejuv

[wise galleon]

Yeah if you play properly you dont have problems in emberwing at 10+ before learning not to consume too much mana

[west topaz]

your positioning also means you should stand between everyone and ideally you can just thrive in almost melee range. you have to be there anyway for doing the bear incapacitate roar

or roaring to make people run fast

[wise galleon]

Like im playing healer/resto druid first season this time and people keep spamming you dont have too use mana, there are dungeons where I never run oom and then there are some where I have difficulties. The higher key I go the more im scared and the more I cant properly manage mana because I dont know damage patterns correctly

[spark river]

But the gameplay doesnt change

[wise galleon]

Assuming you can already play in such a way that does not use a lot of mana just means being experienced with the dungeon/spec

[west topaz]

you should turn on the blizzard timeline if you have not btw

[dense lantern]

Sure, that's just more evidence that it's a skill issue

[west topaz]

reloe also made a standalone addon to reskin the timeline

it's like vertically dropping for most people

[wise galleon]

I feel you are blinded by playing the spec for so long you cant see how the learning process works

[dense lantern]

Nono, I absolutely understand

I am not blaming you or anyone else

Learning is absolutely understandable

[spark river]

Its more of not understanding how much output you have from your cds

[wise galleon]

I agree that going oom is probably consequence of not playing correctly ofc

[spark river]

Seems like you just go into panic spamming

[dense lantern]

I'm mostly just trying to emphasize that it is a skill issue that should be worked on

[wise galleon]

Yeah i agree, I just realized as I said when im pushing im kinda scared on some specific pulls I dont know exactly the amount of damage and probably overheal

And thats because resto has to prep hots and I cant react to damage straight away

So its easier for me to just go oom i guess

[half timber]

ye im still learning too lol

[west topaz]

i will say tho, i think getting more haste and some proper enchants/gems and 4set made everything feel significantly better lmao

cause before that, yikes holy shit i hated it

[wise galleon]

sure

[spark river]

4set doesnt really do much for keys

[west topaz]

that 2s shaved off is ok

it's just extra

[half timber]

4 set is meh, im excited for wednesday / patch day and how the rework of that one apex talent feels or plays like

apparently is a buff too

[spark river]

plays the same way

[west topaz]

good

[spark river]

your gameplay doesnt change

[west topaz]

i just want more glyphs so i can have some butterflies or some shit

[dense lantern]

you're now a chicken

[grave finch]

Yoyo, is there anything we can do for the matrix on lura?

[spark river]

You dont have to remind me

Im enjoying the last days of cat

[half timber]

i know theres a void cat form in the files, saw something in early access when wowhead posted it, hopefully this comes too

[spark river]

Until I become the mindnumbing owl

[half timber]

im rocking the azure owl lol, never get this fire owl sadly

[slow pasture]

You don’t have to be an owl for next patch. The gain is meh. You still "owlweave"

[half timber]

i mean flight form

[slow pasture]

I think this morning it was said it was something like 0.5% dps gain

oh

[half timber]

ohh nvm I misunderstood Sola xD

[spark river]

How is 40% increase only a 0.5 % gain

[half timber]

yea im catweaving too obviously, owl weaving idk, maybe for open world

[spark river]

On our already shocking damage

[slow pasture]

owl form

Not starfire 40%

[half timber]

maybe healers can stay healer on openworld who knows

[west topaz]

i think we can mighty bash the safety matrix on l'ura but like...

i aint seeing anybody be doing that, it's just dps tank job lmao

even dks have to go talent their stun again just to help with that

[slow pasture]

(Boomkin form)

[grave finch]

u havnt met my raid team

[west topaz]

cool, good

unless you mean theyre not doing it ._.

[grave finch]

there not

[spark river]

Yes thats what he meant lol

[west topaz]

how do they expect to clear p1 then, just tell them to interrupt/stun

[grave finch]

was real fun looking at logs after raid

[west topaz]

be real loud on mic

[half timber]

with pugs its always an adventure tho

voidspire always ends on dragons or if ur lucky, get a full clear

[waxen ingot]

if i had to pug anything

i would quit

instant

[half timber]

its fun

[spark river]

I pug everything other than myth

Takes a bit of mental strength ngl

[west topaz]

H pugs are weird because they kick aotc people and keep the nots

[grizzled seal]

We pugged some people for the first mythic boss and they couldn't kill the adds

On our alts

That was actually crazy, I didn't even know that boss had a DPS check

[distant birch]

man imperator averzian is kinda crazy

i think i have 40 wipes on that guy

took me 6 hours to kill it on druid

[west topaz]

there's unfortunately a huge number of old returners rn and they have like the arrogance from classic wow or theyre literally still asking shit like 'whats your gearscore'

ive seen this like 3x in a pug this week wtf

they play like ass

[spark river]

where is that whats your io guy

he was fun

[half timber]

a bit? :D

[west topaz]

i feel sad when im in a chinese l'ura pug and they can't do it

lmao i have less faith in americans rn

but hey at least my faith goes up when i see a pug is ACTUALLY using the nstools

[wise galleon]

Corewarden Nysara mechanic that applies big circle on 2 ppl, that aura is private right?

[bright swift]

Every boss debuff is private

[thorn whale]

@distant birch I need you

Disc priest lesson

[wise galleon]

Therefore I cant position it where I want it just randomly aligns to the raidframe?

[bright swift]

you can for sure position it

[bright swift]

swapping again huh

[thorn whale]

Nono

[dense lantern]

I think you should be able to place them where you want like any other indicator

[wise galleon]

There must be another addon that just overlays itself over my own raidframes and I dont know what could that be

[spark river]

Thats threat

[distant birch]

I dont give those, i just press penance and evangelism sometimes and hope it works out

[spark river]

From the qe profile

[wise galleon]

nono, i meant there is the debuff doubling ssee

[spark river]

The red line

[wise galleon]

The bottom is the private aura one, the bottom left is not grid2

I dont think targeted spells has such option, or bigwigs

[thorn whale]

Rip

[grizzled seal]

Isn't disc priest now just press shit on cd

[dense lantern]

It's been 3 years and I am still angered at the state of disc priest guides

Some stuff just never changes

[spark river]

There are multiple indicators for debuffs in that profile so you need to go digging

[wise galleon]

Bottom left doesnt contain any debuff

Also it looks like it sits outside of the raidframe a bit

[distant birch]

press penance on cd is like 90% of it tbh

that spell has all the juice

[wise galleon]

Also why can I track defensive just out of combat in the qe profile lol

Maybe just follower dungeons issue

[waxen ingot]

is disc harder than druid in raid?

well more punishing ig

[distant birch]

no

[waxen ingot]

i dont think druid is very punishing

like yes if you ramp good you heal more ofc

but like u cant completely fuck it up

and i was told disc can

[distant birch]

Disc is pretty simple atm imo

its changing a bit next patch though

[hearty cargo]

I got a question about the everbloom buffs, just took the highest nexuspoint key as random key and saw his everbloom healed 12 mio with current everbloom splashing onto 2 people for 30% of its healing, does that mean new everbloom splashes 50% onto 4 in m+ ?

Because with that numbers it would be a 18% buff in m+ that isnt right no ?

[bright swift]

50% of all BLOOMS to 5 (6 in raid) people

[snow fractal]

[bright swift]

and your total blooms will also go down slightly since the apex 4 only does 3

[thorn whale]

How so

More emphasis on spot healing or

[distant birch]

you drop expiation so you wont be swd on cd

shields getting omega buffed so more emphasis on shielding aswell

[hearty cargo]

Ahhh okay i just thought blizzard smoked something anf got super high by doing that ( i mean they still are because they buff udk and devourer)

Thx for the clarification

[boreal karma]

devourer buff will very likely get nerfed again the week after xD

[bright swift]

I mean it's still a massive buff

your everbloom healing should nearly double

[boreal karma]

will be fine for raid

[hearty cargo]

I see so then i guess around 6% still

Is it more for raid then ?

[boreal karma]

its not quite double is it

its more like 30-40% increase isnt it

maybe with wildstalker tree etc

[bright swift]

in raid it's for sure more than double

[grizzled seal]

It's their new shiny toy

I think it will stay op

[boreal karma]

u dont know how unreal the buff to them is

for aoe

its crazy

XD

[grizzled seal]

I know

[boreal karma]

i swear they are already completly broken in aoe

[obsidian cloak]

for m+ what's the stat % I should aim for ?

[boreal karma]

how can they buff aoe even more

[waxen ingot]

alot of haste

alot of mastery

[obsidian cloak]

currently I have 27% haste and 41% mastery

dunno if I should switch to more haste

[waxen ingot]

are you meeting the hps needs

[obsidian cloak]

yeah for my current keys

but I do feel squishy sometimes

[waxen ingot]

If you were to change anything

u would drop some mastery for haste

[sinful zephyr]

Some streamers say you should aim for 31% haste (1020). After that DE starts I think.

[waxen ingot]

dont listen to this**

[obsidian cloak]

the cutoff is 1320 i believe

[waxen ingot]

It legit doesn tmatter

chasing the % is dumb

no one runs vers or crit

so just get mastery haste items

and play

[obsidian cloak]

another quick question in my vault i got locus (hero) and haste/vers neck ( myth)

still not sure which to go for

[remote atlas]

hi all i have a question

what do u think about dmg buff on caster rdruid? Grove will be meta or Wildstalker keep on top?

[hearty cargo]

I mean first version of it was a 24% aoe buff in m+ with the nerf to the one talent it still is a 10% buff what i saw

Udk getting a 3.3% buff is also weird

[grizzled seal]

They are good players that don't understand how stats work and basic mathematics

[tulip nexus]

can u wild charge from the skyreach last boss grabs?

[grizzled seal]

There is nothing happening in game that makes haste worse at 1321 than at 1319

Or whatever the fuck number they are saying

[thorn plover]

Least obvious vickman watcher

[oak garnet]

It's just personal preference. My guess is those players like the added punch/spot healing mastery offers past x amount of haste but tbh there is no reason why 31% means anything

[thorn plover]

You can travel form wild charge after he drops you and land back on the platform

[icy stream]

How HPS calculation work for Wild Growth (as the Heal decrees over time) when we extend the buff by 8s with Swiftmend ?

Should we cast Swiftmend when Wild Growth is at 7 ? or at 1 ?

[dense lantern]

I am not entirely sure but I think it just extends the duration, not the healing

[sinful zephyr]

True

[thorn plover]

Great player, but like torty said, throws around some wild numbers with nothing to back them up other than "feels good"

[sinful zephyr]

Agreed, just wrote what I heard from a player with great rating, nothing more 🙂

[thorn plover]

Understandable

[compact ginkgo]

how do you even go for apex talents in raid build? cant figure out a decent build that fits photosynthesis
Best i could figure out is this but its missing Thriving vegetation

yet im still missing the last apex

[thorn plover]

There are some pics floating around in here if you search but it's not that lol

[compact ginkgo]

Oh i figured you can also drop wild synthesis but apart from that ill have to check

[thorn plover]

It's gonna be something similar to that

[grizzled seal]

I'm dropping apex4 for tv

You can't stop me

[compact ginkgo]

yeah saw something like that, Idk how i feel about convoke as its prevalent on logs but every druid that killed lura (im currently there) played tree

[bright swift]

hf man

sounds grief

[grizzled seal]

Have you considered there are different bosses

So people play different talents

Last two seem very good for tree specifically

[compact ginkgo]

me? ofc I have im just trying to speculate about whether the changes will make it worth to drop the tree

[grizzled seal]

The convoke/tree part of that spec isn't important

You just swap them as needed

[bright swift]

I don't think yhou can tree anymore

no reforest tree sounds bad

[grizzled seal]

Huh

[compact ginkgo]

I guess I'll be checking out other guilds after changes bcs i dont feel lik e experimenting after 200 lura pulls

[grizzled seal]

If you don't wanna experiment then run the same shit, you will be stronger by default

[compact ginkgo]

wildstalker missing instant wraht makes it pretty annoying for mana regen
last season it was dope bcs of the 4set tho and i loved it

[thorn whale]

What did I just read

[spark river]

Lol

[bright swift]

[thorn whale]

Alrighty back to work

Decided to take 2 mins to chill on discord and that is the first thing I see

Logging off

[grizzled seal]

Idk wtf you are doing to need mana regen

I'm straight up playing without MS

[bright swift]

don't you have 2 boomies lol

[compact ginkgo]

idk check any druid on lura, nick in liquid was oom b4 going to 3rd phase

[grizzled seal]

Have you seen my mana

[bright swift]

no

[compact ginkgo]

generally you are fine with mana everywhere

[grizzled seal]

Ok then why yap

I did alleria with 0 externals, reck pot and ended on 30% mana

[thorn whale]

That’s also crazy

[grizzled seal]

Not even source

Keybind regrowth

[thorn whale]

I ended on like 10-15

I don’t think I played it that good tho

Could have pressed regrowth a lot more

But I also had source

And ms

[grizzled seal]

People who oom are just spamming rejuv when regrowth is often a better spell to cast

[bright swift]

also this

what does this mean huh

don't you agree that losing 10 sec cd on tree perma

is bad

including 2 treants

[thorn whale]

🧐

[thorn plover]

My last myth Chim kill i had insane mana

[thorn whale]

Think it’s also very easy to plant and cast RG on that fight

I just filler rejuv when I move

But I’m also not good at movement

[thorn plover]

God that's a sexy trend chart

[spark river]

Chim is not a mana intensive fight tbh

Anything under 7 minutes is relatively easy not to oom

[thorn plover]

Yeah I haven't needed MS anywhere yet

Guessing maybe once we get to crown in a week or so

Maybe not tho

[spark river]

you re on paladins now right

[thorn plover]

Dragons

It'll die Tuesday

[spark river]

Whats your best pull

im dragons also

[thorn plover]

Like 20, we started it late Wednesday

I think we're about 20 pulls in lol

[compact ginkgo]

i mean even for aleria you dont even need master shapeshifter and you are fine
but for example lura is extremely draining and you dont have time to rest mana

[spark river]

My guild got to 40, yesterday was first day

Cds line up so nicely on dragons

Loving it so far

[thorn plover]

I'm assigned to 2nd intermission breath dispel. Once we assigned a rescue to me it got a lot easier

[grizzled seal]

What makes Lura more draining than alleria

Show your cpm

Because you are just making mistakes

[thorn plover]

@bright swift I was playing around by dummies yesterday on PTR, and it seems like the 6th splash from apex can hit the same target as one of the other. I wonder if in m+ it will act this way

[grizzled seal]

I mean I default to convoke everywhere else so it's not a big deal for me

I have no idea how tree timings work this tier

[thorn plover]

I was trying to position myself to have only 5 in range, but idk if it works different if they're in party. Dummies are terrible to test on

[haughty ibex]

is playing prosp from next week acc gonna be troll? 😔

[distant birch]

i saw rintea play convoke on luura today

[thorn plover]

I don't think it matters which you play there

[distant birch]

he was doing pretty well with it and they got to p4 almost

so it doesnt seem too bad

[spark river]

they just wiped

30%

p4

[eternal bough]

hey guys best combiantion for m+ ?

[thorn plover]

First 2

[vestal lotus]

is heart of the wind better than void diffuser?!

[spark river]

yes

[snow fractal]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/

[vestal lotus]

oh wow

[thorn plover]

I'm sitting on hero drum and myth void suffuser. Heroic gaze sims a HPS loss, hero ribbon sims a .2 or so increase. Everything at that level is super close

[primal jungle]

hell yeah

[vestal lotus]

im using gaze & void suffuzer

[eternal bough]

hmmm i try both combination i felt that ribbon and gaze

better then heart of wind and gaze

[spark river]

Im sitting on glorious crusader and suffuser hero send help

[distant birch]

hc heart of wind and renown trinklet 😢

[cursive pilot]

Ribbon and crescendo

[oak garnet]

Crucible and hero heart. Lost hero alnseer 4x and no vault bc I just kill 4 bosses with pugs

Hoping for mythic Alnseer with coin tho 🙏

[spark river]

I have lost hc ribbon every week

It isnt even funny at this point

[distant birch]

u might win mystic one first try

[oak garnet]

Was hero drums from delve?

[heady sedge]

I don’t see anything in pins but do the damage changes impact our build next week?

Like would it be worth swapping to the right side of the class tree?

[cunning parcel]

I feel like I might be stupid but I dont understand how a lifebloom blooms

im taking everbloom and verdancy

Im supposed to let it run out or im supposed to refresh on <5 seconds left

[spark river]

Refresh under 4.5

aka the pandemic window

[spark river]

Yes. Builds will be updated.

[cunning parcel]

ty

[zealous sequoia]

Will Apex talent also be the go to raid build?

[spark river]

Yes

It will be very strong for both m+ and raid on reset

[cunning parcel]

are we not going that already oops

[zealous sequoia]

That’s what I figured. Ok thank you

[cunning parcel]

Im actually always so gapped on cpm I dont know how

[old pollen]

press more buttons?

[cunning parcel]

I think so

[spark river]

We were playing no apex on most of the bosses

[half timber]

how many embelishments can you wear and is it worth it to have 2 crafted armor pieces?

[haughty ibex]

2 and yes why wouldnt it be?

[half timber]

just curious

[haughty ibex]

is worth to have as many crafted pieces as possible

unless u got myth in that spot

[real carbon]

You can have more than 2 crafted armor pieces, but only two embellishments

Crafted pieces cost pennies these days, so you should be capping out on those asap for maximum stats

[half timber]

i got crafted boots and im not sure what else I should craft, maybe belt or cape

[real carbon]

anything and everything

[thorn plover]

I think from map delve ya.

[thorn plover]

The damage faq is updated for new rotation etc

[haughty ibex]

noob question cuz trying out VI, if i VI my lb target it also extend its duration, so is it wrong to do so when i could be refreshing lb last 4.5 seconds?

[thorn plover]

If you have time to extend it first then VI it, you can. But i don't think it's a think you need to be that mindful of

Maybe a bit more value in the bloom after Tuesday

Photo and sm will be most the blooms anyways

[haughty ibex]

ye makes sense tysm:D

[half timber]

whats VI? ^^

[haughty ibex]

verdan infusion

talent choice w prosperity

[half timber]

ahh

[haughty ibex]

idk if playing prosp next week will lose even more value 😔 im trying out VI to get comfortable and is chill just need to be more mindful on when i consume soft

[thorn plover]

Is there a common acronym/initialism list somewhere?

[haughty ibex]

ye on wowhead

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/druid/restoration/glossary-terms

[gleaming spoke]

Question about the patch notes: When Lifebloom's final bloom occurs, it heals 6 allies within 40 yards for 25%/50% of its healing amount.

The word I'm questioning is "final" only occurs when lifebloom expires?

[thorn plover]

It's all blooms

[gleaming spoke]

Ty

[thorn plover]

Every bloom is a final bloom, blizz just sucks at words

[burnt jackal]

Does it affect private auras if you dont have "all debuffs" turned on in danders? Im not seeing some debuffs but I dont want to see all the garbage like class debuffs

[grizzled hollow]

If apex is stronger, wouldn't that give you more reason to play prosperity?

[thorn plover]

No, private auras are a separate filter

[haughty ibex]

thats wat i thought too, viks stream chatters made me doubt it

idrk if prosp affects photo that much?

[thorn plover]

Don't consume hots on your LB target, simple

[cyan minnow]

yea

[grand herald]

You do spend more gcds upkeeping your photo hots

But thats minor

[thorn plover]

I'm playing VI either way

[grizzled hollow]

I'm sure both VI and prosp are viable in M+ at the end of the day

will have to feel out how much the aoe healing from the apex rework is

maybe it feels piss

[spark river]

Certainly one of the takes of all time

[thorn plover]

VI and ND, don't @ me

[spark river]

you ve at least switche to vi

one step at a time i guess

[obsidian pivot]

Do we know if it will be range related for the rework? I am tired of my treants and random pets getting my splash ‘smart’ heals

[thorn plover]

It only goes to pets if there is no other target in range

Atleast for sotf

[silver trail]

Guys please. My convoke. She's very sick.

[haughty ibex]

yeah for sure not saying the contrary

wait im in dung i answered wrong msg

i just feel the prosp hate starting to make sense... a bit..

[hardy junco]

i dont think prosp is good in higher keys tho, but prosp works below 17s i g

[icy stream]

How HPS calculation work for Wild Growth (as the Heal decrees over time) when we extend the buff by 8s with Swiftmend ?
Should we cast Swiftmend when Wild Growth is at 7 or at 1s left ?

[hardy junco]

on cd

[quiet wyvern]

earlier is better

[icy stream]

ok thanks

[thorn plover]

Don't play your SM around your WG time tho

[hardy junco]

play it around LB

[icy stream]

only on cd

[half timber]

Would this be viable until I get Final Grade? just got that

[thorn plover]

You don't have crafted?

[whole monolith]

Would anyone be willing to look at one of my logs and help me figure out what I'm doing wrong? I'm new to resto this tier 🙂

[thorn plover]

Sure, send them!

[whole monolith]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JzdY1ZRXBnTqvjDf?fight=7&type=summary&source=11

[grizzled seal]

You cast swiftmend on cd

[drowsy isle]

LB uptime is low. Should nearly 100%. Use this addon that Purrformance made. It's actually really good. https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/lifebloomalert

[spark river]

You got it boss

[grizzled seal]

Extending wild growth is not a priority since it's the weakest hot on 1 target

[thorn plover]

Lifebloom uptime is 42%, needs to be close to 100%
Too much rejuv, not enough regrowth (should be like 1:1)
Swiftmend CPM is low, should be close to 5, youre at 3.4

[grizzled seal]

The entire point of wild growth is that it goes on multiple targets in 1 cast

[half timber]

I do but this weapon has more haste

[thorn plover]

2.6cpm of wrath is a lot, you shouldnt need to wrath at all on that fight

[spark river]

Holy mother of rejuvenations

Verjungung has never slapped so hard

[half timber]

oh just saw, its hero staff, nvm then

[spark river]

I feel like 5 cpm on swiftmend is very very hard with vi

[whole monolith]

Thanks I will get this rn! 😄

[thorn plover]

4.5 is easy tho

[spark river]

Should definitely be around 4.5 tho

[whole monolith]

Yeaa I think the wraths is because at the end of the fight we sacked a tank and went all in on dps. I'll get your addon and get that lifebloom up tho for sure! thanks 🙂

[spark river]

I did that

I also did a tts

And im at like 4.7

at best

[thorn plover]

im consistently 4.5

with occasional hold for refo

[grizzled seal]

Huh

[burnt jackal]

is this bugged? rip only goes from 55k to 70k damage, and starfire dmg doesnt seem to change at all

[spark river]

To mere mortals

I mean

[kind star]

havent really played resto druid since like sland im so loss but im slowly getting back into it D:

[grizzled seal]

It's not being a druid, you just need to have a priority system for your spell casts

You can't just randomly mash spells

You need to know which spell fits what, it's basic skill for playing anything

Like when you play moonkin you don't cast starsurge on 5 targets

[thorn plover]

did you test this in combat

[grizzled seal]

The UI thing is a meme, just train your muscle memory

Go into a boss fight and only do one thing

I can keep 100% lifebloom uptime without any reminders and only seeing it on my frames

[silk ice]

What if your frames don’t show them

[thorn plover]

i have nothing for SM, i know when thats off CD by heart now

[grizzled seal]

It's just training like with anything else

[sacred turtle]

hi all, do talents get changed around with tomorrows tuning? should we still be using cat form in mythics?

[thorn plover]

they will change yes, no we will be using caster stuff

[kind star]

the main thing throwing me off is the change with addons and what not, just found out about that danders addon that looks similiar to cell

[sacred turtle]

omg i love this! ok ty

[burnt jackal]

oh nm its because liveliness also buffs rip

[waxen ingot]

if you want to be usefull

you will still be using cat

:P

[thorn plover]

cat hotw

[spark river]

Thats just false

[waxen ingot]

cat prio is just more dmg

[spark river]

but cat hotw still strong

[thorn plover]

cat wont be higher ST idt

other than hotw

[waxen ingot]

You can play the afk owl build and look good on details if you want to

[spark river]

You mean the build that does more damage and is equal on prio damage?

Sure you ll find me playing that

[thorn plover]

aoe in the aoe game mode seems pretty important

[grizzled seal]

What's the source on cat doing more prio dmg after the changes

[spark river]

No source

[thorn plover]

vibes trust me bro

[spark river]

He made it up

[thorn plover]

boomie hotw buff next week

heard it here first

[spark river]

Boomie hotw, sunfire and thrash is crazy on big aoe

[thorn plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/talent-calc/druid/restoration/keeper-of-the-grove

[grizzled seal]

I thought you meant a build

Baiting for another war

[spark river]

lmao

[thorn plover]

not sure what day that resets, feels like it should follow wow reset

so we can link awful builds again tomorrow i think

im sure there will be A LOT

[wide dust]

What's the recommended resource for returning players trying to wrap their heads around what's actually changed with add-ons? I was a cell enjoyer but it seems like that doesn't work anymore? I downloaded the beta version but it seems like it can't show any relevant debuffs while in combat..

[thorn plover]

pretend cell doesnt exist

use danders or grid2

no official release of cell has happened since midnight launch, some community members tried to revive it, but idk what the status is

[silk ice]

They were locked up in a prison Cell by blizzard

[spark river]

me using default ui

[thorn plover]

^ valid option

[spark river]

depends who you ask

lmao

[wide dust]

I'll look into that, thanks

[thorn plover]

not really sure theres a good resource to look to. just ask specific questions about feeatures or play with stuff.
a lot of what you had before still works, just worse.

[kind star]

danders been a godsend I was going crazy with default UI for tracking LB and hots for pandemic

[thorn plover]

im also a danders enjoyer. some people have had a lot of issues with it so i see why they went to grid. ive had very few issues with danders

[spark river]

lbalert tells you about pandemic

so thats an addon you ll need

[thorn plover]

danders does it really well now too

[spark river]

and then you dont think about it

[thorn plover]

not sure if the sound is as customizable as lbalert, but you can make sound/tts/flash your frames, etc

[kind star]

I might need some audio queue for LB as I get back into it ngl

[thorn plover]

you can do it in danders, or lots of people are using LifebloomAlert

[spark river]

tts works amazing for me

[kind star]

so much to focus on I lose focus on stuff at times

[lament river]

Im using Danders and its fine for me and LifeBloomAlert is a great addon

[west topaz]

on danders for LB I made an extra lil textured vertical bar that decays and the green glow effect surrounds the whole hp bar + it flashes orange conditional at 4s

lbalert will just be cherry on top ya

do 100000000 alerts if you have to

[plain steeple]

No, I had this in almost every log in raids. Usually between 5.1-5.4 cpm.

[rustic copper]

[balmy basin]

what filters do you guys use in ElvUI raid / party frames to see only the important stuff?

[spark river]

Yeah its something I need to work on clearly

[half timber]

wdym filters?

[balmy basin]

Filters for buffs and debuffs

[thorn plover]

Very limited on any filtering on frames atm. You kinda see all or nothing

[half timber]

ah, I use Danders, and most healers do to. or Grid2

[summer igloo]

it's the same on danders, vuhdo and grid2

blizz pretty much restricted things for addons, but have their own separate system for displaying debuffs for the default UI

[balmy basin]

I see, I thought the different filter settings make a difference

[cold sundial]

in case I dont play with Abundance talent, do I still use Soul of the Forest on Rejuvenation?

[snow vapor]

I find some odd things aren't displayed in keys that really should be. Like the dot leftover from the mana wyrm pounce in Algethar

[spark river]

what

[snow vapor]

Maybe I missed a setting to enable though

[summer igloo]

not dure abt ElvUI

[woven mango]

You should link me the right build so i cant link awful one ty

[rustic copper]

Consider playing the abundance talent

[cold sundial]

well I mean when I have soul of the forest proc, I either use it on Rejuvenation or Regrowth

[spark river]

Just play abundance

at all times

have parental controls on that talent

[cold sundial]

lol

[half timber]

wdym

[summer igloo]

*sure
typo sorry

[balmy basin]

"not sure about ElvUI" i think

[half timber]

oh

[summer igloo]

this pretty much goes for all addons though

[half timber]

I use ElvUI because I can hide more things to have a much cleaner UI, and with a few tweaks you dont really loose a whole lot of performance anyway

[summer igloo]

addons used to be able to hijack the default UI for debuffs etc., but that's going away with the next patch I think

[tacit cove]

Guys I'm completely out of the loop, cat weaving is out and we don't even shift to moonkin for our damage "rotation" come 12.0.5

[half timber]

i also made it that my debuffs and private auras show above my nameplate, really useful in fights

simple and clean

[harsh quail]

nameplate? do you mean the playerframe?

[snow vapor]

So it seems, but you'd pop into cat for hotw at least

[wispy snow]

has anyone talked about best way to use the rolls we get tomorrow? my trinkets suck so my first thought is to roll on Alnseer (Vault Gods just bless me tomorrow please) but i was also looking at mythic plus dungeons and the loot table from skyreach would pretty much all be upgrades (minus the trinket and MH/OH) but could get 2 mythi pieces from there ... anyone have thoughts on how youre going to use rolls?

[spark river]

If you re going to roll dungeons it has to be nexus point

You would want to roll myth crown if you ve already progressed that far

[wispy snow]

ya i was looking at nexus but already have 3 of those pieces on mythic

[spark river]

But a lot of people will roll myth dreamrift

[wispy snow]

we just got dragons down so long way to go for crown rolls

[spark river]

Rolling dragons is also an option

Trinket and cloak are very good

[wispy snow]

ok gives me some things to think about i was just thinking outloud and appreciate the input!

[half timber]

yea playerframe, mb xd

[fast burrow]

For someone who is new to resto, what would be yalls best advice

[thorn plover]

Push regrowth

[spark river]

Press buttons

[whole horizon]

Read the wowhead guide and spam the content you enjoy most to practice

[formal plaza]

So for M+ (after tomorrow) we still going cat for DPS but dropping a few talents and adding like… Sunfire for AOE?

The higher the key level the less time I seem to have to DPS at all lol

[main timber]

Nah you will drop cat talents

[spark river]

[formal plaza]

But still stay wild stalker…?

[main timber]

Yes for the most part

[formal plaza]

Thx 🙏

[uneven sparrow]

is it worth sending a roll on heroic crown if we don't have a ribbon at all yet? or better for myth items from nexus/chim gaze

[boreal shore]

why do we craft the 2h mace instead of the staff? like whats the difference between them

[spark river]

price

craft the cheaper one

[boreal shore]

ohh alright i thought they had dif stats or something

ty!

[livid hearth]

If I wanna level and and gear up, whats the best way to gear up after 90? Wqs give 220 ilvl gear but what to combine it with? Delves and preys are fun but are heroic dungeons to fill up rest of the 220 equips or just start spamming m+2s? Then start spamming +6s and lastly do weekly 10s?

Also heard i need an achievment to unlock the 50% reduction for item upgrade for alts?

[unkempt root]

I have a questoin for the smart Druids in the room. Do ticks other than Lifebloom trigger Photosynthesis? According to the tooltip it sounds like they do, just want to confirm.

[main timber]

They do

[unkempt root]

Ok, thanks. That makes the talent much more viable.

[thorn whale]

Delves and preys are good, and then just do however high key level you're able to do / get into

And then just do raid finder / normal / heroic

You only need tier in 1 slot rn to guarantee fast 4 set

[livid hearth]

I havent dared to try to join any normal and heroic raids on main yet, we are at 260 ilvl and im afraid good lfg raid groups wouldnt accept people who dont have curve and people who accept us would accept many noobs as well and we would have miserable experience i thought

[thorn whale]

You don't get experience killing the bosses until you kill the bosses 🙂

[rustic copper]

Get in the mines and start killing bosses with the noobs until you get aotc

[livid hearth]

yeah joined a guild to skip that experience we can probably join their social run on wednesday, but would be nice to get weekly 8 bosses from pugs without having horrendous team haha

[thorn whale]

Well in your eyes you're part of the horrendous ya know

[tight wind]

will these buffs make us go boomkin dps spec instead of catweave?

[main timber]

Yes

[livid hearth]

for sure, thats why i skipped the raid part to gear up through m+

[haughty rose]

hey could someone take alook at my logs and see where i can improve? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8yqmpw4DXCxtz6Th

[gleaming spoke]

tbh, buy gear from the AH and get into dungeons to gear up. I was healing 10s at 221.

Granted, that's not the experience of everyone. But get goin on the mythics. Gear will come. people like druid healers.

[livid hearth]

hmm i could try but we were having miserable time until and even at start of 250ilvl at 10 11 keys

my friend played resto and he couldnt keep people up and we kept getting oneshot by dangerous mobs and pack pulls

[main timber]

that is just lack of dungeon knowledge which you'll pick up by running more

[livid hearth]

wondering what ilvl i oculd start doing +2s, and until then what i could do. +2s are probably faster/better than +8delves etc im thinking

[main timber]

The loot is so much better at 10s that if they are at all doable I'd just hit those

Your ilvl is already higher than ours when we started 10s on week 1

You just need practice

[livid hearth]

yeah in case u missed my original question, its about on new alts we wanted to lvl, what we should do

[grizzled seal]

We were 3 chesting 10s on day 1

[livid hearth]

but yeah ur right, now we know dungeon mechanics a bit we would try to hit 10s earleir than we did our mains but until then like until 230-240 ilvl or at least until +2s what we could do maybe

[main timber]

What item level are these characters right now? You've mentioned 3 different levels and I have no idea which are attached to which character

[grizzled seal]

You can just pull smaller and not have issues if you know what you are doing

Just rotate alts with mains and boost them a bit

The first few keys give a lot of free ilvl especially if there are traders

You can go to 260 in like 5 dungeons

[harsh quail]

you can also go like t11 bountiful delves and get lots of 250 gear+ 1 hc slot guaranteed per week and a handfull of crests

[livid hearth]

ah sry, we are now 260ilvl and could time every 10 at the end yesterday finally kinda comfortably. But my questions are new alts we are planning on lvling during timewalking on wednesday. So i just wanna plan ahead how to gear up most efficiently

[livid hearth]

thats an idea I got but we are rotating roles so im gonna lvl resto and my friend dps but both of us havent learned the dps spec of the druid so even geared he with his gear wont be much useful i think. But with him healing i could maybe just get carried on my newly lvled druid. Not as fun tho when i lvled it to learn healing. So we would do it the hard way probably because otherwise we have to swap roles to do it as his main is healing and my new lvling char would be healer and vise versa

[grizzled seal]

One button rotation mate

It's never been easier to swap to DPS

[livid hearth]

yeah thought i wanna jump into +2s asap but would get stomped until i reach 220-230ilvl maybe. So planning on getting some 220 ilvls from wqs and wanna know whats the best source of gearing at that low ilvl

[fast burrow]

what should my healing breakdown be like on resto?

[proven phoenix]

m+, raid or what content

[thorn plover]

I made someone switch to one button the other day and their DPS went up 30%

[tough portal]

Doing a 10 at 260 ilvl is equivalent to doing a 2 at 180 ilvl

[thorn plover]

Kept fucking up mechanics

[tough portal]

Give or take numerically

[fast burrow]

M+

[proven phoenix]

m+ its like 60% regrowth

maybe more

[fast burrow]

rn i feel my lifebloom is too low, my efflo ends up above it for some reason

[proven phoenix]

are you looking at both everbloom and lifebloom

[haughty ibex]

u are fine idk i didnt look super well at the full log, only note is that u have no reason whatsoever to run usrine vigor, put that talent in swipe or forestwalk

[proven phoenix]

its hard to talk about things purely in terms of healing breakdowns like this tbh

a log or smth would be way more helpful

[thorn plover]

What's my 4th craft tomorrow

[livid hearth]

ok if ur right then we can start spamming +2s as soon as we reach 90 then probably after doing wqs since we know the dungeons and can do 10s at 260 im thinking?

[tough portal]

60% regrowth brother

[proven phoenix]

ok man u know what I mean

[fast burrow]

im aware i use too many rejuvs its just a tic i have xd

[proven phoenix]

a lot of regrowth....

[tough portal]

Looks mostly normal but press more Swiftmend

Swiftmend is pressed on cd 6 casts per minute

[fast burrow]

yea i have it bound in clique, i just forgot to put it on my bars so i forgot to press it xd

[haughty rose]

Okay perfect thank you

[haughty ibex]

is quite low keylvl and by the look of it you are chilling, the 1st death in nxp was def avoidable, the 2nd one idk probably lots of missed kicks cuz is a 13

[thorn plover]

Do I craft a neck tomorrow? That's like the only item I'm not gonna bonus roll for right

[fast burrow]

I just stupidly forgot about it, i used the swiftness one on cd tho

cus i forgot i had swiftmend xd

[pulsar kettle]

we had a craft this week

[thorn plover]

I got the spark from lura

I can craft again

[grizzled seal]

?

[fast burrow]

idk why but this talent just annoys the living crap out of me sending me into moonkin after a single wrath or starfire xd

it ruins my entire bars xd

[thorn plover]

Don't take that if you're boomkin weaving

[flint void]

you don't get that problem when you go

[fast burrow]

i struggle with catweaving :< im new to rdudu

[thorn plover]

You lose 4% haste by taking boomie form

[cosmic saffron]

hi everyone

[haughty ibex]

the aa is a bit tragic, cant really check analyse log itself cuz very short, but literally all your deaths were avoidable (maybe the aggro one wasnt and the tank is a freak, but u have to be midful of aggro when birds come down, there is a small window in which u can apply hots and go stealth). the lock death seems so weird, not sure if im reading the log wrong cuz im on mobile but it looks like u pressed tranq and then didnt heal him for legit 7 seconds? and same with the mage, u did not heal him once after the deafening screech, which means u didnt properly ramp and had hots out. is not okay to have a dps with not even a little reju on them, esp in fire phase and esp when yk the dmg will come out

[zinc lintel]

but you gain infinite coolness points by being in moonkin form

worthy trade off

[fast burrow]

what would be the alternative option?

[thorn plover]

Just don't spec it and put that point somewhere else

[fast burrow]

just innervate?

[thorn plover]

Pick a survival talent

Or utility

You don't need innervate

[tough portal]

@haughty rose I'm begging begging yooooou
Press regrowth

[fast burrow]

Ursine Vigor a good option maybe?

[thorn plover]

Yes

[flint void]

practically speaking you need to do neither.

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[haughty ibex]

also u casted rg a grand total of 35 times in a 12 mins key, that is nto so good esp when u killed crawth? how u healing that shit without pressing rg. the nxp acc rg is not so good either, checked only deaths b4 but u are literally not pressing it enough

[tough portal]

@main timber voteban

[half timber]

is it?

[haughty rose]

Okay

[half timber]

i think 260 is fine for 10s

[grizzled seal]

!voteban +1

[main timber]

We are currently at 2 votes for the voteban

[tough portal]

Sure, so is a +2 in basically TWW gear

[haughty rose]

So main think really is to rg more

[haughty ibex]

wg cast is not really good either tbh, 3 smth cpm is meh, but is a lower key so maybe thats jutifyable? i would just get into the habit of casting it when yk dmg is gonna come out

[flint void]

hey! it's the current default for this week raid build, just without the cat talents

[main timber]

They were clear that they were an M+ player

[flint void]

oh.

[half timber]

still curious on what u meant tho 😄

[flint void]

3 seconds

[harsh quail]

that 260 is overkill for 10s

[half timber]

ohh

yea with pugs you never know tho xd

[tough portal]

I meant that doing a +10 at 260 ilvl feels equivalent to being in a +2 at 180 ilvl

[fast burrow]

so with this i dont really have to weave? is what ur saying

[haughty ibex]

i mean, looking at crawth log not really only that. as i said, pay attention to ur own positioning, u cant die from frontal of swirlies on ground. also ramp properly, wg before the screech, make sure to have rejuvs out, make sure to actually check dps health and heal them

[flint void]

wait, that was a raid build.

[haughty ibex]

idk if im slow but it looks like boss casts screech and u forget to press ur buttons, idk if u were silenced or wat

[woven mango]

Has a talent build for raid been posted yet for the patch that isd

[haughty ibex]

but like that boss lasted 8 minutes in a 14 😭 i would kill myself ngl

[main timber]

Guides will update tomorrow

[haughty rose]

I think i got silenced

[woven mango]

[flint void]

@fast burrow

with this you can elect to just not weave

[haughty ibex]

yeah that would make sense ig but the lock death is still a bit sussy

[fast burrow]

u got the code perchance?

[half timber]

how tf, were dps banging their head acros their keyboards or what xD

[haughty rose]

Will get some more dngs in the bag and get some improved logs

[haughty ibex]

i believe in u kitten u got that aa in ur pants already

tell ur dps to press their buttons

[cosmic saffron]

what aura filters are you using for m+?

[kind star]

yall doing delves and stuff as resto or changing spec? been debating checking out a dps spec to finish leveling because its kinda slow.

[tough portal]

260 ilvl you have ~70% more HP than at 180
Mobs do ~99% more damage at +10 than at +2
You do less relative damage cuz damage has more of a compounding effect from 2ndary stats as well, but 180 is more than enough for +2

[half timber]

you swap to either boomie or guardian when ur questing, doingPreys or whatever

[kind star]

ay might learn boomie then for off-spec always played feral and strayed away from boomie in sland

[flint void]

wow is not getting access to my clipboard again (broken) so no.

[tough portal]

Linux?

[flint void]

[tough portal]

Happened a lot to me when I played on Linux

It was the only bad part

[flint void]

it happens on windows too, but i'm on my linux device rn

Generally speaking you never "have to" press damage spell buttons. but there's some extra context to that statement

in raid context you never have to press damage buttons because the boss's hard enrage is generally speaking just covered by the dps, the only thing you can get out of it is more damage for funny number website and some mana from master shapeshifter, something that only might matter at fights that last an eon and a half

[tough portal]

I'm doing the highest % share of the group damage that I have ever done on resto druid rn

[hollow pond]

is resto druid still looking like it should be top healer in M+ after tomorrow, or does it seem like more contenders / knock the class down a peg

[tough portal]

You can make a very meaningful difference on timer by trying to play better and contribute more

[tough portal]

It's getting a massive damage and healing buff mate

[haughty ibex]

it will be unplayable sadly

[opaque roost]

Is this still how the #s are for our mastery harmony stacks ?

[kind star]

oh sweet just started playing and didnt know what the changes were sounds good

[tough portal]

Yes, using 20% base mastery as an example on the right

[hollow pond]

I saw the dmg increase to being for cast over cat, i didnt see the healing buff though

[wise galleon]

all catweave?

[tough portal]

no

Dont hurt me

[flint void]

in m+ context, unless you're doing 17-20's, the m+ key timer is not going to reach close to being out of time without dps fucking up, so the healer damage isn't needed.

[wise galleon]

Yeah well at this point Im going to change talents so I start preparing for next week, what do we even take? Just swap cat to starfire talents and ignore boomkin form?

[tough portal]

This is just a completely meaningless distinction
People doing keys lower than 17 hit close to the timer, or brick by less than 2 minutes very often. Whether others could have played better doesn't "excuse" you from choosing not to contribute and actively playing worse

[haughty ibex]

arguabily not even in 19s healer dmg is that important

[wise galleon]

There is so much dmg to do in Algethar academy or perhabs im just used to the dungeon from previous xpac

[haughty ibex]

look chinese druids doing only pad dmg and timing 20s

[thorn plover]

Aren't you banned from posting builds

[tough portal]

I swear healers will sit there yapping about mistakes other people made while being afraid of actually playing better and leaving 3 minutes of key timer on the table cuz they wanna afk and watch youtube on their high horse about the DPS mistakes

[crude nebula]

Guys, how much overall DPS yall pulling in the +17-18 key range?

[fickle garden]

Druid sucks holy paladin is taking over

[hollow pond]

i just started getting comfortable doing more catweave, i usually think its me that messes up unless i see full to 0 health lol

[hollow pond]

no >.> lol I have never been good on holy pal

[haughty ibex]

ur so right, half of their dmg isnt pad trollface

[desert kayak]

so based bestie

[flint void]

someone new-ish to m+ has a chance to fumble over their keyboard and cause problems trying to juggle too many plates. in your weekly 10 you can spin the wheel on talent points and get by, as was said here many times. you should be doing the damage weaving in keys anyways, but the 20-25K DPS from weaving isn't going to do much to make a failing team complete or not on timer,

[pulsar kettle]

[tough portal]

There is a gulf between "you need to learn to heal first" and "you dont have to do damage ever" as a philophical piece of advice to instill on people

[pulsar kettle]

i swear this convo is on repeat every week

[desert kayak]

[pulsar kettle]

how do you do it face

[crude nebula]

Is 9k dps bad in 17 keys? :c

[main timber]

Do you think we'll get "I know it's a bit worse but is it ok if I still catweave" questions from next week?

[thorn plover]

100%

[crude nebula]

I feel like I’m healing so much I have 0 time for DPS lol

[tough portal]

Sometimes your number can be higher, sometimes it can be lower, as long as you're always looking to contribute more and improve on your performance

[pulsar kettle]

catweave enjoyers wont ask permission

[stable verge]

Do I get mana back if I gato weave?

Or is it just dmg

[tough portal]

I think you're doing fine

[flint void]

they were specifically asking for a build that doesn't weave, because they said they were struggling already balancing as many plates right? the answer: "hey, you technically don't have to weave to still do keys" is a correct statement.

[crude nebula]

Do we have a talent build yet for tmr?

[main timber]

Not until tomorrow

[stable verge]

Where will it be posted?

[proven phoenix]

gato weave

[pulsar kettle]

gyat weave

[proven phoenix]

just give it to me straight man niko is telling me 2 minute convoek is good

[main timber]

Wowhead / IV

[proven phoenix]

theres no way thats true

[main timber]

Won't be in the default build 100%

[flint void]

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i have this prepared for myself for tomorrow.

[grizzled seal]

Can I voteban same person multiple times

[tough portal]

Right, the conversation moved past that 1 person asking 1 question (that I wouldn't characterize it as you did) and I was replying to this.
Basing your gameplay on the ideal performance of your team pretending they'll just play like world cup winners and you know for a fact you won't be over timer by a little just cant be a real thing right?

[dense lantern]

I just depleted AA by 10s

[tough portal]

Do you sign up in LFG and assess "hm yes this group is gonna play great I shall not need to DPS"

[dense lantern]

If only my healer did dps....

[tough portal]

We were helping a #pvp channel friend and phased was tanking, he dcd for like 3 minutes

[flint void]

if i can help it i stay out of LFG

[crude nebula]

Ty for your work!*

[tough portal]

And our friend was yapping about the key not being doable anymore

[hollow cloak]

After the update, will resto druid still do dps in cat form or ?

[thorn plover]

Lmfao

Is this real life

[dense lantern]

No

[thorn plover]

Nah, bear form

[pulsar kettle]

[tough portal]

And we omega timed it ofc it was free as hell, but if I did 0 dps it was a brick and back to the mines for homie

[little briar]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dancing-troll-amxLHEPgGDCKs

[hollow cloak]

I just start to play druid and i stop cus i cant play in cat form is no intresting.. So after update no cat form?

[hollow pond]

you know, if enough people are upset about less catweaving, we could always pull paladin discord vibes and lock it down until they buff catweaving again xD (just kidding......I think)

[flint void]

the serious response is that no matter what anyone says in here, enjoyers will regardless of if it's good, while until blizz buffs

[tough portal]

Catweaving is gonna be a lot weaker than casted spell damage next week

[dense lantern]

I'm sorry for your friend but certain people should just shut up and play the game

[little briar]

Cat weaving isnt dead

[tough portal]

Hm you see

[pulsar kettle]

gonna be great when they buff cat by 40% and the discord explodes.

[tough portal]

When you're playing games with friends and hanging out

[little briar]

and not gonna be dead after patch