resto

[weak quarry]

am i about to hit a point where gear is letting me down

[marsh prism]

yee

[slow pasture]

It’s score too. You only have 4/8 14

[dense lantern]

[slow pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[short arrow]

Play your own key. Pushed mine to 15

With 267 ilvl and no 15s

[plain steeple]

Can you share a log, Niko?

[reef sedge]

Yo guys, any dungeons next week where it's a good idea to use the mythic reroll for?

[flint void]

NPX

[pine coyote]

is this trinket generally ass?

[reef sedge]

For example I guess Magisters is pretty nice, having multipile drops

[flint void]

it's been discussed before, it's either mythic crown of the cosmos of NPX

[marsh prism]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/trinkets

[pine coyote]

ik there but i was curious regarding different content types

[reef sedge]

Thnx

[flint void]

NPX is a myth weapon, catlaysable gloves, off-set chest and boots + a haste/mastery ring

you use lootspec balance

[pine coyote]

desc sounds good on m+ for example but i cant judge by raw healing value in those charts

[marsh prism]

theres a toggle

[pine coyote]

ahaa

thank you then!

[marsh prism]

at the top for dungeon which is balanced mode

[reef sedge]

Cheers

[marsh prism]

yeye

[flint void]

lootspec boomie so you remove the trinket from the loot-list

[reef sedge]

Exactly the answer I was looking for, cheers!

[pulsar hill]

Quick chimareus myth question, if you do madness and swap sides, do you get a debuff that prevents you from going down when its your turn?

[flint void]

out of 7 items you can get, only 2 are complete useless (the crit/haste ring + the cape)

well... if you already have the ring/tier gloves and/or a haste/mastery weapon the loot falls off by a bit

[urban kestrel]

its pretty good for the low mastery specs, I think its like bis for shaman, but yeah its maybe 5th or 6th and you probably have something better as long as you at least have heart of wind and 1 raid trink

[pine coyote]

yea i have heart of the wind and i was usually running vaelgor for m+ but my stats are pretty high, near the DR cap so i was unsure what to run

[marsh prism]

no

[pine coyote]

with mastery flask i go up to 36% and i use mastery for m+

vaelgor trinket on top of that idk if that does much tbh

so i was planning to try heart of the wind + this lura trinket for m+ at least

[snow fractal]

have you used all your possible crafts?

[haughty ibex]

me too and im 279,, myth raiders are higher but avg is probably around that ilvl

u prob didnt craft all and upgraded efficiently:D

[grizzled seal]

I am 280.6, the difference is negligible

Ilvl is mostly based on crests, not drops

[marsh prism]

bro my fucking juuice

[grizzled seal]

Alleria?

[urban kestrel]

The big thing limiting m+er gear was the slow race to hero/myth 4p and new crucible fixes that, it also means I'm not progging zskarn in 2p because we don't do splits

Alleria super dead

Idk though raid loot in general feels super dead with the current crest setup, the only reason to send heroic raid is a few trinkets and crest farm and mythic doesn't even feel much better because you loot like 1 or 2 pieces per person they actually get to upgrade off farm bosses.

[marsh prism]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes

[haughty ibex]

is there no hc trinkets that sim better than myth m+ trinkets? i never checked so idrk

oh wait im slow u literally said that is one of the reasons

[oak garnet]

The top 2 raid trinkets (ribbon gaze) at max hero are better than anything myth track from m+ for dungeon

[sinful ocean]

I thought it was ribbon stare?

[sinful ocean]

What weapon drop from nexus? I thought optimal weapon for m+ was either final grade from AA or the staff from skyreach?

[flint void]

corespark multitool

[haughty ibex]

is a haste mastery weapon im p sure

[hollow ledge]

Anyone had an issue with mouseover unitframes on resto druid? On Monk I dont have any issues but in my druid I get fps freezes when hovering over party frames

[marsh prism]

tuesday

wawa

[sinful ocean]

O don’t have game open and wow head lacks info

[gentle charm]

did we get that apex talent buff yet?

[haughty ibex]

next reset

[gentle charm]

nice

[trim bluff]

@marsh prism why is nature bounty a hot topic

in keys

[gentle charm]

huh

its overpowered as fuck in keys

[marsh prism]

i have absolutely no idea

[haughty ibex]

maybe i lied acc idk

i just lie for fun spreading misinformation

[dire pagoda]

Why loot spec balance?

[flint void]

there's a unwanted trinket

[plain steeple]

I also have slight freezes whenever I shapeshift.

No idea what to do about it.

[fervent mica]

That was a specific comment about using rerolls in npx

[hollow ledge]

we fixed it with getting rid of all the macros

[plain steeple]

I don’t shapeshift via macro.

It happens for me when I just press bear from spellbook for example.

Addons don’t appear to cause it.

[flint void]

Resto on NPX loot table is:

• staff
• cloak
• chest
• gloves
• Boots
• ring
• ring
• Trinket <- this is removed on balance lootspec

[smoky sail]

you can also go feral to exclude the staff + trinket

[iron sail]

The new apex redesign working Off lifeblooms final bloom, does this mean it does not work off of photosynthesis ?

[umbral condor]

Seat seems to be a good option too, you get 4 catalyst tier slots and a decent ring and neck with haste vers there

[cursive pagoda]

wonder if leveling with an agi staff would be better for resto

actually nvm it wont give you the agi

[iron sail]

It may be better if you leveled as feral or bear to play resto at max level

[gentle charm]

???

Just switch to bear for leveling

and queue up for dungeons

[cursive pagoda]

yeah im specifically trying to level on resto though

[gentle charm]

why?

[cursive pagoda]

cause thats what i intend to play lol

[gentle charm]

this isn't classic, you can respec at any time

is this your first character?

if not, just spam dungeons to level

[cursive pagoda]

like my 17th character, i mean i leveled on mw fine

[gentle charm]

there's not really advice anyone can give besides it being a bad idea

[flint void]

staff is 0.09% worse than beloran sword+chimaerus offhand, it's almost bis

upgrade as duck over my crafted

[grizzled seal]

You can level in 3-4 hours by playing a DPS/tank spec

Then you play dungeons for dozens of hours

You learn nothing by playing content that can't kill anyone

[tired flame]

I've leveled up enough that I'm starting to run keys on my off spec Resto. (Crafted gear for Feral).

I'm comfortable catweaving, but DPS across all of the healers is so bad that I'm not sure the positional complexity is worth it. Has anyone here -- who used to cat weave -- decide it wasn't worth it and just went starfire / circle of heavens?

[flint void]

healer dps is optional*(tm)*

[viscid zenith]

Do follow the arrow add in is super fast 3-4 hours to get to 90

[flint void]

also feral/resto have very very little substat overlap

resto want exactly 0 crit on their gear

[tired flame]

I'm aware.

Basically I play DPS for my guild in raid but I consider myself a healer main. So I just go through the slog of maintaining two sets of gear

oh, and I dont like balance

[narrow hinge]

Yoo
I heard some rumors that NS does not apply to convoke anymore. Is it confirmed and tested? Anyone got any intel? 😄

[thorn plover]

Yes this is true

[narrow hinge]

Damn

First they took away pre stacking of reforestation and now this

Does this mean that incarnation will be a better choice for raiding then 🤔

[thorn plover]

no

you will hardly notice the difference

[narrow hinge]

Alright

That’s great

Do you know if we still aim for no apex after the patch next week?

[thorn plover]

no youll play apex for sure

[unique sedge]

Can we still wild charge last boss in skyreach, when we’re dropped? I tried doing that and i got insta killed when i got dropped

[cursive pagoda]

is the apex talent getting buffed or something

heard it was bad

[thorn plover]

yes its getting reworked, and it is a buff

[cursive pagoda]

where can i see the change rn?

[unique sedge]

pins

[cursive pagoda]

ok ty

[mental belfry]

starfire/circle prob does more damage overall. You'd rather cat weave for prio dam end of the day its like 5% of the groups overall, being non optimal is going to be 1-2% of the groups overall dam which would be 15-30 seconds of the timer. Up to you to decide when you'd rather play better to save the seconds on the timer.

[thorn plover]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/official-patch-12-0-5-development-notes-systems-activities-class-changes-381256?utm_source=discord-webhook

[cursive pagoda]

does the blooming frenzy work with the splash healing?

assuming it goes well with this talent too

[thorn plover]

yes

[unique sedge]

anyone has tried this recently?

[thorn plover]

i was able to gust of wind back on my shaman last night, so i assume you still can

[sinful zephyr]

Saw Vickman do this on his stream in SR20 like 48h ago

SR19*

[open gulch]

waht's the best craft after 2h and belt?

[spring dune]

im going for boots (but cant decide if i drop the hunt sigil for arcanoweave)

since we dont have good boots from drops

[thorn plover]

There are good boe boots from trash in voidspire

[lament river]

there a bis boot from trash yes

[smoky sail]

the catalyst ones are pretty solid

high haste and afaik low crit

[marsh plover]

whats the sitch on convoke vs tree in raid?

wowhead has tree but in my guild raid last night the other druids were convoking and doing more hps. is it just so we can get more hots out?

[main timber]

Read through the wowhead talent page itself

Instead of just yoinking build. It talks about it quite a bit

[marsh plover]

oh yea its literally the paragraph underneath the talent build thats my bad

[main timber]

Convoke is a fair default if you prefer it

[marsh plover]

When it comes to rejuv uptime in raid should I be casting it raw or relying on sotf pota procs?

bc i want to take advantage of abundance mana savings but casting rejuv raw takes a lot of mana

[thorn plover]

youll have to do a bit of both

[tired flame]

you sure you meant rejuv and not regrowth? You need to keep a high count

[thorn plover]

but sotf rejuvs can maintain most of your stacks

[marsh plover]

high count of rejuv right? for abundance

[thorn plover]

most people over rejuv/under regrowth

[marsh plover]

i think thats my prob bc i spend too much time worrying about rejuv uptime i dont regrowth enough

[tired flame]

is it more important to have half the players on 2s rejuvs or twice the players on 1x rejuv

[thorn plover]

your rejuv:regrowth should be 1:1

[slow pasture]

You have yo regrowth near as much as you rejuv

[thorn plover]

more individual rejuvs out is better

[marsh plover]

is the value in regrowth the initial heal or the hot it gives bc natures bounty shares that hot

[thorn plover]

both

[tired flame]

you shouldn't be casting regrowth on a full health target if that is what you are asking

[marsh plover]

ok

[tired flame]

but the extra hot is fodder for swiftmend and other talents and abilities

[thorn plover]

most players get hung up on trying to maintain 12 stacks all the time

without realizing regrowth is cheaper to cast

you can let your abundance drop down to like 5 or 6 before re-ramping and regrowth is still cheaper

[marsh plover]

gotcha

[thorn plover]

highly recommend reading through this https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes

[tired flame]

you only need four rejuvs to make regrowth cheaper

[marsh plover]

this is huge thank you so much!

[marsh plover]

ok this is great to know

[main timber]

That doesn't mean spam them at 4 FWIW

[marsh plover]

im in an all druid guild so its def easier on the mana with all of the innervates going around

[thorn plover]

that sounds interesting

[marsh plover]

yes its fun if not a bit challenging due to missing other raid buffs aand whatno

[tidal lynx]

For proactive raid healing do you guys just begin the ramp from memory or rely on DBM timlines, another addon, etc?

[gaunt willow]

As in ignore dps’ing the add, let it carry you off and when dropped wild charge back to a player on the platform?

[thorn plover]

yea

[tired flame]

bit of both. You can't be fully on autopilot because if a player makes a mistake and takes avoidable damage they need to be healed. Ideally they would use a healthstone, but again, we will deal with what we get

[tidal lynx]

So both do you mean DBM or a timeline addon?

[gaunt willow]

Thanks - didn’t know that worked!

[thorn plover]

i use a timeline and plan out all my convokes

[tired flame]

both meaning vibes and proscribed ramps

[tidal lynx]

Ok.

I wish I had some training wheels for the moment

Like "start ramp"

lol

[thorn plover]

i mean you kinda just ramp the whole fight

[tidal lynx]

Isn't that a good way to go oom?

[thorn plover]

i dont mean spam rejuvs the whole fight

but its like a constant up and down thing

[warm wedge]

Hello,
Just â question pls. We put Convok WG en damages are here or just be gore?

[tidal lynx]

Maybe I'll look at some log timelines for rdruids in the top 100

see what they do and when

[thorn whale]

You'll see the same on all of them

[thorn plover]

looking at very top logs is usually a bad idea

[tidal lynx]

oh

Okay maybe I'll look at your logs

[thorn plover]

no dont do that either

lol

[main timber]

Just pick a player you trust is playing fairly well

[thorn whale]

Go look at Vrocas, Torty or Phased

[thorn plover]

look at vrocas or someone

[whole horizon]

WG at 0.1 seconds before damage. Convoke during damage.

[warm wedge]

Oh Thank you

[dawn cosmos]

yo guys. im wondering if u guys know of an addon that alerts spells by adds in dungeons like an icon alert

[thorn plover]

you can have cast bars that show who theyre targeting

if thats what you mean

but nothing that shows up on frames anymore

[tidal lynx]

Damn Vrocas mana is pretty stable

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wJTfcV8Wkt2BgpnZ?fight=11&type=resources&source=140&spell=100

[thorn plover]

yeah you should be able to last like 7 minutes or more without mana issues

[haughty ibex]

mythic dungeon spells does exactly that + tells u the target if there is one

[slow pasture]

And vrocas isn’t regrowthing as much as niko

[thorn plover]

like heres a 6:30 myth chimaerus kill

[frozen prairie]

thoughts on fluid form for next reset? yey or ney ? in m+

[whole horizon]

if youre pressing cat buttons you take it

[frozen prairie]

next reset we ain't going cat at all ( i think?)

maybe on bosses not sure

[thorn plover]

catform for hotw

[haughty ibex]

prob hotw cat is still worth more

[slow pasture]

Cat strong with hotw for prio target

[whole horizon]

i will continue to be a cat purist in hopes they buff it

[thorn whale]

Idk why its so hard to just buff swipe

[thorn plover]

i want to say id be surprised if they dont, but atp idk wtf theyre doing with this class lol

[slow pasture]

Like who expected a buff when we are already slammin m+ key

[thorn plover]

i wonder if we get a full week before nerfs

[slow pasture]

Imagine apex nerf but DoC buff

[frozen prairie]

doubt there will be nerfs. Maybe but they will be minor. Just too many people maining rdruid now it would be really bad move

[slow pasture]

Well who knows.
Tww s1 made a huge shift at 0.5

[thorn plover]

the amount of people maining it has no weight on nerfs or no nerfs

[slow pasture]

Many people were on rsham and everyone shift to Dpriest

[haughty ibex]

how is that even remotely related to nerfs

if anything, they spin a wheel and whatever spec comes out, they decide to nerf or buff

[frozen prairie]

when they nerfed meta healer that much that it was not meta anymore. In same season? I don't recall it

[thorn plover]

maybe if no one is playing a spec they buff it

but i dont think if all of the people are playing it, they dont nerf it

[main timber]

Meta healer swaps on the .5 patch semi-often

For sure tuning is rare much later in the season

[thorn plover]

they arent going to leave a spec op just because its popular

[haughty ibex]

i mean idk i come from dps and it has been very common to nerf or buff classes way later in the season

even popular ones

[main timber]

When? They barely tune at all late in the season

[pulsar kettle]

.5 is usually the last big "swing" in numbers along with post rwf tuning

[frozen prairie]

so rdruid will still be at the top.

[slow pasture]

After week 2 of 0.5 i don’t see any big balance comming

[stark horizon]

Anything in discord yet about desired dungeons to chase for rolls? I’d normally just assume chase the same trinkets from the tier lists, but considering you can pull other pieces en route to the trinket, curious if there are “better” dungeons to pick.

[main timber]

They'll tune post-12.0.5, just not forever

And I doubt there will be much class stuff in .0.7

[frozen prairie]

I will bonus roll Nexus for staff

that's first thing

[main timber]

We will have something on this on WH / IV but not until Tuesday

[stark horizon]

Sounds good, thanks.

I hate taking lower ilvl so myth track pieces reign supreme, but I have been loving the vanguard trinket for m+. Giving rdruid shields always feels so good.

Might just nab that in heroic.

[frozen prairie]

potentially 3 items in Nexus. I think it's no brainer

depends what you need ofc

[thorn plover]

i need a trinket

[frozen prairie]

well nexus is not for you then 😄

[dawn cosmos]

i couldve swore i saw the chinese streamer playing with an addon like old weakaura that shows the icons of the spells being casted by the adds in keys

[tulip flax]

I have Weapon and Waist crafted , what should i make my 3rd one ?

[frozen prairie]

m33k weakauras

[dawn cosmos]

it will show me the icons of the abilities like chains in seat etc ?

[split knot]

been in 2 windrunner spires now - 14 and 15 - tank pulls the first room and people are just dropping from arcane salvo - what should I be doing differently as a resto druid?

because if i start pre-hotting i'll get aggro

[thorn plover]

go stealth

[stark horizon]

Instant dispel, bark weak dps during salvo, commit tranq or convoke for one, the other for the other.

Should only get 1-2 with bloodlust running

[woven mango]

Is it better to use rolls on raid or dungeons

[dawn cosmos]

thats not it. i havent found a good one theres only ones that show cast on who etc. not an icon of a spell to look out from

[frozen prairie]

i mean that is fork of old weakauras just people don't share their WA's

[split knot]

ok cool, will try this - i was barking the tank but thats not right

[slow pasture]

Tank don’t need bark on that pull

[haughty ibex]

that’s quite odd cuz literally no one is you hing that pack other than the tank for the first few seconds

[split knot]

qq - is there any good dispel and/or an addon that shows me what people are dying to (or whether they are taking avoidable damage)

[stark horizon]

As the keys get higher, I find that I bark tanks less and less. Few exceptions like slashes in PoS, but that tends to hold true.

[haughty ibex]

logs lowkey

or even death recap shows that

[stark horizon]

And at higher keys, dps obviously need to personal an overlap like the dispel + salvo. That is tough to heal.

[split knot]

im usually racing back to even look at the recap

it would be cool if the recap saved somewhere

but a log parser addon would be good

[haughty ibex]

i mean it does, at the end of the run u can check everything

[haughty ibex]

wdym log parser addon

[slow pasture]

First pack of MC i sometime need to bark the tank when it’s not a monk

[snow vapor]

what's the m+ talent changes figuring to look like with a shift to caster dps? do we stay wildstalker in keys or do we go

[haughty ibex]

what do they even do to the tank

[snow vapor]

what's the m+ talent changes figuring to look like with a shift to caster dps? do we stay wildstalker in keys or do we go keeper of the grove?

[haughty ibex]

half of the mobs are casting on everyone else for majority of the time

[gritty bloom]

Hello brothers druids, next reset we upgrade weapon 285 ilvl upgrade to 294 ilvl or Gaze trinket 276 ilvl to 285 ilvl ?

[shrewd jay]

I already play Keeper.
I am not able to play WS.

[lethal garnet]

Start hotting when the key starts, you will only get aggro if you refresh while mobs are pulled. Tell your tank to pull around to one side, so start from left and end up on right - that way the arcane salvos are not synced. Alot of tanks will pull left into right, and that makes arcane salvo come out at the exact same time and that kills people.

[shrewd jay]

Also not playing Apex.

[slow pasture]

If tank take the mammoth with the first pull it can become a but scary for him if dps are doing shitty prio target

[haughty ibex]

thanks for ur wrong opinion anything else

[slow pasture]

But we are talking some rare pull where IB is needed on tank

[snow vapor]

this feels a little unnecessarily hostile

[haughty ibex]

oh wait i mean i was thinking about ws but yeah idk, is not that horribly scary imo

[slow pasture]

Most of the time yeah it’s not needed

Palatank without cd

[haughty ibex]

rule n1 is to play with monk..

protpala without cd is legit a ret

[slow pasture]

That’s what i was talking about "sometimes"

[haughty ibex]

i mean fair but is first pull like

[slow pasture]

I'm sorry but what makes WS unplayable ?

[frozen prairie]

damn mammoth. You can get wombo combo there and can do anything about it if people don't press stuff

[shrewd jay]

My skill.

[haughty ibex]

i mean someone is asking a question and u give an objectively wrong answer and also talk about smth totally unrelated, how should i exactly answer?

[slow pasture]

You play WS the same way as Kotg in key

[shrewd jay]

I’m new to healer.
And I know I’ll not be able to take the most advantage of WS.

[slow pasture]

You don’t have to go cat to benefit from WS

[shrewd jay]

I play without Apex.
So I care less about LB uptime.
Even tho I try to work on it.
I just try to have a foot hot uptime and planning for damage phase.

[haughty ibex]

u are just handicapping urself tbf

[shrewd jay]

Somehow I’m not able to hold my LB well enough to benefit from it.

[frozen prairie]

np apex in m+?

[shrewd jay]

Maybe.
But it’s working so far.

[slow pasture]

Power from WS doesn’t come from LB

[haughty ibex]

rather have 50% lb uptime than playing without apex

[frozen prairie]

how high keys you are doing?

[shrewd jay]

I’m talking about the Apex also.

[whole horizon]

🙉 🙈

[haughty ibex]

i mean idk what keylvls are y playing but if y are planning on acc improving then u should try ur best to read guide and test the gameplay

[pulsar kettle]

[shrewd jay]

It’s not like that but in a way yes.

[shrewd jay]

I time 14 planning on 15.

[haughty ibex]

well that makes sense yeah

[shrewd jay]

I did all that.
But I need more than a guide tbh.

[slow pasture]

Well you lose a bit of SB procs.

But i mean you have many benefit from WS even without LB uptime

[mystic crater]

Just as a note, if other people are asking for help and you say what you’re doing and know you’re wrong in doing it, it’s not good to mention

[whole horizon]

🙊

[frozen prairie]

did he asked for help tho?

[shrewd jay]

I used too.

[haughty ibex]

thank u !

[thorn whale]

“Would I take advice from me?”

[shrewd jay]

I just had from answer read the guide play Apex.

[haughty ibex]

he asked a question

[frozen prairie]

I assumed you cooked some build that you think its better

[tidal lynx]

Just curious because legion relics have been behaving differently... If I craft the two handed mace suggested in the guide I can mog it with legion staff right?

[shrewd jay]

No.
I know the recommended build is better.
I just use something that works for me.

[slow pasture]

Are you sure that the rexommended build doesn’t work for you ?

[whole horizon]

i think artifact transmog is its own thing, i'm pretty sure you can xmog anything with your legion artifacts.

[slow pasture]

Even if you don’t a good LB uptime ?

[shrewd jay]

I tried many times.

[snow vapor]

well anyways, regardless of all that: does the caster dps shift lead us to prefer KotG?

[tidal lynx]

@whole horizon Since Midnight if I have one hand + offhand I cannot use the two handed legion artifact

[slow pasture]

Have you tried your build but at least switching to ws ?

[haughty ibex]

could u show ur talents im curious

how having 1 less button to press help anything at all?

atp unbind any dmg spell instead

and bind Lifebloom

and press whenever u remember

[whole horizon]

huh... but it works in reverse? i've been using polearm but i can xmog my feral 1h/oh claws.

[shrewd jay]

Wait.

[slow pasture]

We know some good tool to help you having a better LB uptime too

[frozen prairie]

You can get Purr's addon that reminds you with audio to refresh LB

[tidal lynx]

Like on my hpal I can't put the two handed legion mace over one hand shield like I used to be able to

if that makes sense.

[whole horizon]

it does make sense, i think they do that for pvp reasons? idk.

[lethal garnet]

Artifacts youre able to

[whole horizon]

if i saw a shaman or hpala not using a shield, for instance, id tunnel them into the ground immediately

that kind of thing affects gameplay

[slow pasture]

Don’t take the +2 target on WG

[whole horizon]

you use the raid build in m+?

[shrewd jay]

Wait mistake.

[main timber]

I know you were asked, but also we are done linking genuinely awful trees for the week

[thorn plover]

🙌

[haughty ibex]

i mean idk where the msg went so I couldn’t see it all, but is quite cursed

ws is still more hps even if u dont ever go cat

[main timber]

I deleted it, honestly out of mercy

[haughty ibex]

and u don’t even have aoe stun? like for wat reason

[slow pasture]

I think it was raid build

[haughty ibex]

no is m+

or at least, we were talking about it

[frozen prairie]

definetly raid build is what he linked

[stuck grove]

Is Lifebloom reverse counting tracking? It used to show 3, now it's counting to 3

[frozen prairie]

he had imp WG there

[haughty ibex]

then must be

[slow pasture]

Had +2 WG target

[whole horizon]

stacking to 3 is the Rank 1 Apex talent.

[stuck grove]

yea but it used to show 3 then 2 then 1...I distincivly remember when I put it on people.

[thorn plover]

no that never happened

[whole horizon]

yeah that's weird and not my experience at all

[slow pasture]

The only 3 2 1 i know is when my DH tank goes in and die with all cd up

[frozen prairie]

tbh some guardian druids too

the one's without fur

they forget to press it

[thorn plover]

i clicked it before delete

lets go

[main timber]

@shrewd jay #resto message

[thorn plover]

omg

[whole horizon]

yoinked it

[thorn plover]

its worse than the other one

[shrewd jay]

Why ?

[shrewd jay]

Sorry for that, noted

[slow pasture]

Well if you want to improvz some thing from your build

Don’t picn cult and ug

[harsh quail]

The stonevault clip of the dh tank insta dying after jumping into a pack is a peak memory for that expansion for me

[main timber]

The channel is shit if every 3rd post is "Guys, how big a throw is this tree" and it's just worse than selecting points at random. If you enjoy something, do play it, though my approach would have just been working on Lifebloom uptime which will ultimately prevent you from succeeding anyway

[slow pasture]

But ye Voulk statement

[slow pasture]

I'm still searching that clip

[shrewd jay]

You are right guys, I'll try to get better a t this.

[frozen prairie]

download addon to remind you to refresh LB.

[haughty ibex]

someone show it rn

[rapid halo]

In the transmog interface there is an arrow over the weapon slot where you can select an option to use artifact appearance override. Its def still possible, just a little hidden

[haughty ibex]

im dying of curiosity

[whole horizon]

it really is just the no-apex raid build

with like 2 points changed

[main timber]

You can create your own version by just clicking random spots on your screen until you run out of points

[haughty ibex]

is left tree the same as shown before 😔

[haughty ibex]

😭😭😭

[frozen prairie]

[slow pasture]

Yeah if boomweaving. Change Fluid form for AoE CC

[haughty ibex]

how can u get into a m+ key and not have even 1 (one) form of cc

[shrewd jay]

I used to play Typhoon, but I did not see the impact playing with pugs

[slow pasture]

Bear CC > typhoon. If you had to just take 1

[whole horizon]

you might have more success if you adopt a different approach. i like to take my utility and use it to carry pugs who don't understand how to use theirs.

it's remarkably effective.

[haughty ibex]

idk I believe u must be ragebaiting atp

i refuse to fall for it once again

[shrewd jay]

Sorry 🙁

[haughty ibex]

no u can’t bait and then say sorry u have to stay strong and keep going

[shrewd jay]

I don't bait

[thorn plover]

🤣

[shrewd jay]

Lol

[haughty ibex]

that’s what a ragebaiter would say

[main timber]

Next you have to claim that your build is actually better for your playstyle

[shrewd jay]

Ok let me tryhard a bit and come back to make you proud guys

[slow pasture]

Already done

[shrewd jay]

Already did that, since I am a noob :x

[slow pasture]

#resto message

But dw we are kind. And we can help you improve without using a demonic build

[haughty ibex]

@shrewd jay can u please share a log

of any key

please 🙏🙏🙏🙏💯💯💯

[main timber]

Leave them to go improve

[haughty ibex]

ughh

[shrewd jay]

In here or DM ?

[haughty ibex]

watever u prefer i mean, if u do here prob higheriq people than me might help

[shrewd jay]

It’s good this is one way to improve I guess

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CMtWmaNTYJBvhyK3?fight=78&type=healing

That’s the highest key I did.

[thorn plover]

dont forget to use your on use trinket 😉

[bright swift]

bro you have 48% lifebloom uptime

[slow pasture]

The LB uptime is not as bad as you werr saying

[bright swift]

I mean why do you play apexless

there's 0 reason to

[shrewd jay]

I heard I should have twice more uptime on LB.

[shrewd jay]

Good point.

[slow pasture]

You should.

But it doesnt makes apex a badcall

[shrewd jay]

Understood.

I’ll try to improve with the right build guys.
Thx for your look at all this.

[tidal lynx]

In Shadowlands druid overhealing would turn into shields right?

[proven phoenix]

there was a conduit that one of the nightfae soulbinds had

empowered chrysalis

[pulsar kettle]

a small amount of it would from ^

[proven phoenix]

it was only really relevant in season 4 (we did significantly more healing than any encounters damage)

[frozen prairie]

it was covenant ability

[haughty ibex]

ur apex uptime is not even so horrible?

like, is better to play apex and have 50% uptime than playing apexless at all

also like, the log itself isn’t even that bad imo. is a low key so u can get away with anything as we can see, literally, but if u just stop being so scared of ur own skills then it will feel better

and please stop playing hybernate instead of roar???

[shrewd jay]

I’ll try this evening.

[mortal vapor]

guys im really struggling with understanding which way is best. In raid encounters. Would i rather have 6 people with 2 Rejuvs each and then give them regrowth. Or 12 people with 1 stack and also regrowth? I assume it depends on the strength of the boss hit.
Im just not sure if i should basically ignore half the raid or spread on all and kinda waste the mastery

[proven phoenix]

12 people with one stack

in most situations

its way better to spread less healing on more people, raid coverage is important

[thorn plover]

how about 1 person with 12

[proven phoenix]

but also recognise when 6 people might need 2 rejuvs for example lura crystal holders

absorbs etc

[mortal vapor]

Yea for the absorb in vanguard, i understand its obviously best to slam those players with 2 stacks but i just wasnt sure overall

but then i definately give RG only to those 12 people right? and not to someone with 0 hots on (unless they are fucking dying)

[half pine]

whats the new omnicd addon?

[proven phoenix]

ideally yes

but dont repeat regrowths

try not to regrowth the same person twice

[cursive pagoda]

how do you apply rejuv on people consistantly

in a dungeon are you casting it on everyone and even double casting on some for gestation?

[mortal vapor]

soul of the forest

[cursive pagoda]

germination*

[mortal vapor]

afaik in m+ you should always have 10 rejuvs out. 2 per person

[cursive pagoda]

oh jeez

[grizzled seal]

that's not true

[cursive pagoda]

and you do that by casting it 10 times?

[grizzled seal]

read power of the archdruid talent

[slow pasture]

No you don’t have to have 10 rejuv out in m+

[grizzled seal]

cast swiftmend on cd

[vast blade]

Hey there ! I have a little problem optimizing my healing in raid as rdruid. Clearly, i don't use enough of regrowths, trying to save some mana. And i spam too many rejuvenations instead, which is bad.

So my question is : How many stacks of abundance should i have before starting to spam regrowth ? Like around 6-8 ? Is is enough ?

[slow pasture]

12 then stop at 5/6

[cursive pagoda]

ohhh i see

[mortal vapor]

regrowths are free if you have enough rejuvs out. You safe mana by using it once you have enough abundance stacks

[cursive pagoda]

ty

so that makes it a lot easier

but also swiftmend is still like 12 second cd right?

[cursive pilot]

@thorn plover how that dream dps build goin lol

[slow pasture]

Don’t forget to sm/rj even when cyling rg

[vast blade]

thanks ! 🙂

[vast blade]

thanks ! 🙂

[grizzled seal]

you play VI, put 2 rejuvs on lifebloom target and always swiftmend lifebloom target

that way you are basically never below 6 rejuvs

swiftmend on cd is VERY important

[subtle cobalt]

There are a few --, of the ones I know: minicc; exwindtools (which is a whole big set of M+ modules including kick tracker -- it was half in chinese though last I looked), saw a new one called HexCD pop up the other day. Likely others.
-# editing to add: PetesDefensiveHistory

Heads up though not sure what is getting broken next week. I think MiniCC had a msg up about bliz shaking things up again.

[grizzled seal]

you cast some rejuvs while moving, get rejuvs from convoke, get rejuv extensions from tranq

[vast blade]

alright, i have some things to think about, thank you !

[grizzled seal]

step one: figure out your swiftmends

everyone who struggles with mana sucks with that and lifebloom

[thorn plover]

It's alright lol. Curious to see it Tuesday

[spark river]

dont come back without 50k dps

[vast blade]

i made a macro to target my tanks with lifebloom without focusing him but yeah, i didn't put 2 rejuvs on him by default. Usually, i was spamming on people who were loosing HP

[grizzled seal]

you dont spam rejuvs in the raid

[idle lake]

just had a guy in my pug need on hero gear when he has myth then tell me to kill myself and put me on ignore when i asked if he needs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1060231686425690183/1236303425642172416/VID_GIF-1695923991-1.gif

[cursive pilot]

DE life

[cursive pilot]

were u goin all in on range side w no cat at all

[grand scroll]

Hi, i was roughly comparing two logs in m+, i know the compo are not the same/key level, but it was just to check if the main source of heal were the same, but they are really different, mainly the rejuv, mine are extremely low on average compare to them (5k avg and 25k for him) same for the numbers of cast, not sure 3min difference gives almost half of my cast on rejuv, could you give me a hint on what i'm doing wrong ? thx for your time boys
my log :https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3qVXgrAJzvBCp6aL?fight=2&type=healing&source=113
the log i compared to : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/p4caLynNXwxPZvB8?fight=2&type=healing&source=3

[thorn plover]

Yeah

[cursive pilot]

wonder if ents proc dream

[grand herald]

if no one died, sounds like you cast the perfect number of rejuvs

[solid violet]

the dude has way more mastery, drum trinket to boost mastery even more. Average Mastery benefit 2.01
you are at Average Mastery benefit 1.75

Thats is the thing i notice the most, should still be something in play to make that big of a difference

[vague gyro]

What’s the best target for nebulous void cores / ascendant void cores for next week?

[solid violet]

another thing he is using swiftmend on cd nearly all the time. Guess he uses proc to buff rejuv even more

[grand scroll]

that was my main guess but wasn't sure x)

[solid violet]

ill pm you @grand scroll

[oak garnet]

He uses it on cd to extend hots on his tank

As surely he's playing vi

[exotic pivot]

Is the Litany of Lightblind Wrath the best trinket for M+?

[earnest knot]

Yo guys, after update dander frames i cannot see if mob is currently casting/channeling at someone, do have maybe the same issue or u maybe have some nice workin dander frames profile?

[rotund plaza]

hello! can anyone take a look at my logs and give me a few pointers to what im doing wrong?https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/72899855

[odd harness]

Hello guys ! Does someone have a talent tree to play moonkin instead of feral ? I wanna try it out before big buff next patch is out

I guess Wildstalker becomes a bit less useful but idk if keeper is a thing in m+

[grand herald]

we play wildstalker for healing, so that doesnt change

[grand herald]

just swap cat talents to boomie, and phys damage boost to magical

[ember forge]

most druids are using gaze/heart of wind

[odd harness]

Okey that's what I did at first but as wildstalker also values cat form I was wondering if I should swap it too

Thank you

[ember forge]

so I see that most of the top builds don't take swipe, is the idea that you get rakes out and sunfire for aoe?

[shy palm]

What is the best boss or m+ to spend the bonus rolls? Is there a tool that can help get the most value?

[fallen stratus]

new druid question, starting to lvl by healing from 80-90, should I jump into feral for DPS when there's some downtime or just boomkin abilities, I'm not running master shapeshifter

[grand herald]

currently, you do not sunfire at all

[grand herald]

can qelive upgrade finder see what your biggest boost is

[grand herald]

currently cat is better, tuesday boomie is better

[shy palm]

Copy

Ty

[ember forge]

what do you do for dps in aoe?

[main timber]

[ember forge]

oh really

should i be taking circle of the heavens for that

[main timber]

On Tuesday sure

[dire pagoda]

Wait, I thought on Tuesday only the healing changed a bit. What did I miss?

[slow pasture]

40% up starfire

[main timber]

All "balance" spells are getting a massive DPS buff

[cursive pilot]

caster buff

[dire pagoda]

So I change 1 or 2 talents to caster stuff and im good?

[main timber]

It's like 5-6 talents but yeah basically

Guides will be updated by release

[fast snow]

Balance Spells and we go back to the old Apex layout?

[main timber]

This is for M+ where you already took all Apex talents

[fast snow]

I mean for raid post apex buff sorry

For M+ were moonkin weaving versus cat?

[grand herald]

for raid you arent really dpsing

you only really dps for mana

and that doesnt change

[cyan topaz]

how do you use your litany of lightblind in raid? do you cast it with covoke?

[fast snow]

Yeah I figured raid id just keep MS and HoTW biting unless someone says otherwise

Sorry was cross talking. For M+ owlweaving is now better even in Wildstalker?

[grand herald]

yes

[fast snow]

Was also asking if our raid spec just goes back to the old Apex build we used for KotG now that it’s decent

Versus no apex embrace and stuff

[young osprey]

On vaelgor is it possible that the red arrow for the breath doesn’t show up when in tree form or I was just blind?

[glacial kernel]

Hello! Where can I see hard cap for stats for this season?

[untold cosmos]

what font are you using here is i may ask?

[grand herald]

hard caps are not a thing

[fast snow]

Rotationally I guess I don’t understand the weight of what to spend GCDs on for damage with the change. Single target and multi target is obviously easy enough to catweave. For owlweaving as Wildstalker do we both multidotting or just drop starfires. Do we talent fully for casting so our single target is dots/wrath

[glacial kernel]

hmmm, i'm getting like 1.5k haste when heart of wind procs... so i'm wondering if some of it is wasted or if resto benefits from going over 1.3k

[grand herald]

if you have a question about stats

through your stuff into qelive

[glacial kernel]

hmm, let me try

[tough portal]

I'll update the damage faq link later today

With some technologia

Finally I get the good stuff before the mods

[fast snow]

Is it a link here or on one of the guides? Very curious about the optimal way to do it

[glass crane]

@tough portal why is my starfire hitting for the same dmg on all mobs

[tough portal]

Because it uses the same script as the boomie starfire

[glass crane]

ok nm it isn't same value but it's doing like 80% instead of 30% or whatever

[tough portal]

And they at some point made that cleave harder than 35%

So our tooltip is garbage

It says 35% of the main target

Yeah

Slight oversight by the druid dev no big deal, Starfire is just the best damage global in every situation

[glass crane]

this explains the no sunfire thing

I was wondering how that math worked

[fast snow]

Kind of weird doing boomie stuff given that Wildstalker likes feral but it still provides good benefits either way right?

[tough portal]

I always keep it a buck

[tough portal]

Yeah the damage and healing components are separate

Wildstalker healing is too good

Ofc if you're doing piss content

Talenting for more damage is a personal choice you can make

But the recommendations in this channel and our resources will prioritize specing into the best healing

[cursive pagoda]

poppins semibold

i use it for literally everything

[fast snow]

So we swap our damage talents in the class tree to spells I assume

[cursive pagoda]

can find it on googlefonts

[grand herald]

yeah thats pretty much it

[fast snow]

IST is dots/wrath and MT is Starfire? Starsurge on CD for MT or only do ST?

[zealous hill]

Is that going to make root wraps embellishment good?

[tough portal]

Nobody's changing embellishments to do 0.5% more damage even if that was the case

[glass crane]

I am ashamed to admit I will be trying hb over nd today

[thorn whale]

finally

[tough portal]

Huge mate

Ws?

Its gonna be so funny when the top logs start playing WS for raid and KOTG for m+

[thorn whale]

Haha nooo it was KOTG

We took way too long to kill Crown

but its finally dead

and now i swap monk

[tough portal]

Sadge

[gentle charm]

guys if I have a mythic offhand, is it worth crafting a mythic wep?

err a mythic 1h

(on an alt)

[grand herald]

offhand is a very small part part of the power budget

you still want a myth 1h

[dire pagoda]

How do you starsurge on healing spec?

[fervent mica]

by putting a point into starsurge

[thorn plover]

Step 2: push starsurge

[ember forge]

step 3: profit ???

[thorn plover]

Directly from opening spell book is my preference

[ember forge]

put weakaura direct on character and use mouse to click

[tidal lynx]

Will no Apex raid build be viable after tues?

[fervent mica]

everything is viable... its just worse

[tough portal]

If you wouldn't otherwise have enough myth items to spend myth crests on, it could be a thing you do

But with the bonus rolls next week you'll have a surplus of myth items

[thorn whale]

There is no shot you have enough crests next week

Next week we just get injected myth items

[tough portal]

Well

On an alt

Keep up lil gup

[tidal lynx]

I feel like we may get bored

since myth items are just going to be dropping like crazy

They need to implement some sort of enchanting system like a korean grinder

[candid parcel]

Do I Wanna cata this? For the mastery? Or keep it? I Only do m+.

[thorn whale]

Keeping up

[tough portal]

Tough item, I'd catalyze it ig

[clever storm]

Wildstalker sleeper op in raids already 🙂

[fervent mica]

cata and use off tier shoulders if possible /-:

[cursive pilot]

dam did u have literally no other gear in vault lol

[rustic copper]

Why are you swapping to a class that’s getting nerfed

[candid parcel]

Crafted`?

[thorn whale]

Roster issues

Nothing to do with rdruid

[fervent mica]

misara and w spire both have good shoulders if you don't want to craft

[rustic copper]

What is your healer comp for bird

That you’re planning to go mw

[waxen ingot]

Is the gameplay any different

[plain steeple]

Aaahh i am getting sick of those 0.5s stutters that i have.
Sometimes its when a certain boss cast happens (or debuffs come to the group), sometimes its when i there is the "aggro" audio assist.

I can't figure out what is causing this.

I cannot be the only one with that issue.

[low hare]

Has there been any rework to Wild Growth in the last 2–3 years? When I used to heal on a druid, I could cast WG on a specific target via mouseover. But now my guildmate (also a healer) claims it doesn’t work like that anymore and that “WG just picks injured targets automatically.”
So I’m trying to figure out - did they turn it into a fully smart heal at some point, or is this just something related to his UI/setup (I use default, he uses Clique)? I even asked him to disable all addons and manually cast WG on a full HP target - and it still didn’t work. The HoTs went out on random raid members, but not on the actual target.

[rustic copper]

You target it and it heals injured people around them

Not necessarily the person you targetted

[main timber]

Which is how it always worked to be clear

[low hare]

In that case, at the very least the HoT should have applied to the actual target (even if not to people around them), but he claims it didn’t go on the target at all.

[fallen compass]

The way it is now, you can target an enemy to center the heal around the enemy.

[low hare]

He described it like this: there are about 10 people in range, he targets someone at full HP, casts WG, and the HoTs go to the injured players around - but not to his actual target

[main timber]

Correct

That's how WG has always worked

[rustic copper]

That’s also what i described

[wary belfry]

Anything else is just misremembering

[rustic copper]

If you target wg on someone at full hp standing in the middle of nowhere with no allies around them, wg will only heal that 1 person

You can even target enemies which was tech on some bosses to wg people out of range

I wish you could hit the target with wg, would be a big buff to WS

[fast snow]

So crafting wise I made my weapon and belt first. I may have surplus crests to craft this coming week and trying to figure out what to make. Guide says boots but I don’t have a myth weapon so I was thinking maybe neck (currently hero PvP quest one), cloak (champion haste mastery), or ring (two hero haste mastery ones) but I’m unsure

[cursive pilot]

only cape drop is dragon so if u aint seein that then craft cape

[fast snow]

I’m only seeing heroic raids and M+

[cursive pilot]

yeah then u prolly wanna grab cape since rings and neck are fine

[fast snow]

I will likely pug mythic Chim when possible since I’ve killed him already but TBD

[cursive pilot]

that wont help replace champion cloak

[fast snow]

No no I was just adding what I have access to

Cloak is an easy choice for sure

[tough portal]

Craft neck

If you wont get raid neck

[fervent mica]

the pvp quest neck is a really good holdover, especially for an m+ only player

[dense meteor]

Is that stat priority haste and mastery or do we switch to vers at some point?

I imagine we get to 40% haste and 40% mastery soon

[rigid mirage]

Can't we get a mythic haste mastery wep from 10+ next week with the currency

If that's the case no point in crafting wep right?

[fervent mica]

if you get lucky enough on rolls

[rain oyster]

depending on the dungeon there are 10 items on the lootpool

[fervent mica]

you get 2 per week

[rigid mirage]

What spot do you think it's the best to spend tokens?

[fervent mica]

npx if you aren't considering raid

but it all depends on what you've already got

[fast snow]

Apologize for being clueless but the bonus rolls are mythic items in dungeons?

[fervent mica]

equivilent to what you would get from vault for the key level. yeah

[fast snow]

No kidding

[rigid mirage]

I'm only 250 item lvl with 0 crafts so I don't have anything rn this is my first pve week

[fast snow]

So Windrunner has the trinket and haste mastery staff as options?

[rigid mirage]

And 0 chance I ever mythic raid cuz brand new to ove

[fervent mica]

windrunner doesn't have a staff

[rigid mirage]

Pve

[fast snow]

Am I confusing it with alg?

My brain is tired my kiddo has been crazy today

[fervent mica]

alg/npx/skyreach have staves

you need to look at all the items available in the instance for the different loot specs and see how many are upgrades vs bricks and figure out where you'd want to use yours

[fast snow]

I also fear I may have not been paying attention to the voidforge quest because my smooth brain. Is there catch up for it?

[fervent mica]

just go do it

it'll let you do multiple weeks

[fast snow]

Ok that’s what I was curious about

[fervent mica]

but each core requires m+ key/raid boss/bountiful delve

3/week

[fast snow]

I can chain run keys as needed, any specific level?

[fervent mica]

so if you're behind, definitely want to do that before the reset just to have it ready

don't think so

[rigid mirage]

Wait we can get stuff for other loot specs or am I miss reading this

[fervent mica]

you can go other loot specs to block bad items

[rigid mirage]

Oo ok

[fervent mica]

like if you don't want a healer trinket cuz its shit... but do want the caster weapon then you'd roll npx as owl

[rigid mirage]

Ah kk tyvm

[fervent mica]

its all a numbers game

[tough portal]

You can say the same thing about any item, but sure

[rigid mirage]

Every item doesn't cost 4 sparks tho

It was more so a question for me, I'll def craft a wep if I don't get one from the new currency or vault

[fervent mica]

you'll have to be able to run at least a 10 to use the rerolls, so keep that in mind

[rigid mirage]

Ye I got full 10s but struggling to get gear so I haven't tried to go above

I think I got 180 mythic currency so I can craft a couple items for sure if I don't have the luck

[short plinth]

i see ppl in logs playing wildstalker , could be as good as keeper in raid?

[spark river]

It could be better after the buffs

So people are kinda preparing for it?

[cold sundial]

if I play caster spec with Moonkin and Fluid Form, I noticed that Regrowth does not shift you out of Moonkin.. should I macro Regrowth with /cancelform in order to cast it in human form (and get the haste buff from Lycaras teachings) ? Also noticed sometimes my rejuvenation icon is changed but cannot understand what causing it

[fervent mica]

do not spec fluid form if you're doing caster dps

owl is a damage down since you lose the haste

sotf empowers rejuv which gives it a different icon

[rustic copper]

it will be better after the .5 source: me

it's already pretty playable

[short plinth]

i see paladin's logs and wildstalker did insane

rank 1 log

[supple stag]

we do not play with apex on raid ? 😮

[cold sundial]

@fervent micathanks! btw I did have Soul of the Forest and did not change the icon.. the icon I think changes when I get symbiotic blooms

[rustic copper]

some builds do, some don't, in .5 we all will

[grand herald]

currently no apex is slightly better for most bosses, but next week apex is getting big buffs

[tough portal]

The icon changes from SOTF mate, it's just fucky/delayed on the action bar but that doesnt matter, the icon change on action bar is meaningless

[tough portal]

No point in canceling form, the haste vs mastery is a wash from Lycara's

[cold sundial]

oh ok I see.. I also notice it changes after I use the rejuvenation

got it ok!

[tough portal]

Fluid form is much less impactful for chicken tho

[cold sundial]

just coppied a build from a friend, and he had fluid form + moonkin. Probably wrong. He dont have Innervate as well ..

[proper tide]

hey guys anyone whos done 16+ on magisters terrace, how many orbs do you usually try to get on 1st boss?

[haughty ibex]

i mean u dont have to run innervate in m+

especially in lower keys

[untold cosmos]

Ty!

[haughty ibex]

depends on ur teamcomp + ur defs, it shouldnt really be a super hard phase ngl

if u are getting more than 1 id pop barksin, not sure if its needed in a 16 but prob yes

try to wait for the debuff to elapse and top ppl off then u just take more, also tank positioning matters a lot on that boss

[rare marsh]

Hey, I'm currently having massive performance issues in raids. And I can't find the problem. I've always been able to play the druid really well in raids, but with more than 25 players, I'm sometimes completely drained, even without really pushing my HPS. And I should easily be getting 130k HPS... I don't know what's causing it, my spec is as it should be, I'm keeping everything on cooldown. But with all the Rejuvenation spam, I should be getting significantly more HPS.

[grand herald]

gonna be hard to help without logs

but your problem is probably said rejuv spam

[fast snow]

If you’re doing easier content or overhealjng I can understand the temptation to rejuv spam too much to soak up what you can and in some fights it might work but you can easily drain yourself doing too much.

[spark river]

If you check those logs, you will see 2 of his cohealers are parsing 0 or close to 0

[supple stag]

Thx :

[plain steeple]

Rejuv Spam already sounds like a major issue.
Feel free to post a log of yours if you like to have feedback on your gameplay.

[formal fjord]

happy to help but we will need logs 🙂

hey friends, ive been meaning to ask for a while, i saw something earlier about opening vault in boomkin or tank spec? Was that just if we already have our healing trinkets and can someone tell me why please?

[rare marsh]

mh, i am trying to find good logs but today it was a chaotic raid and i am not 100% into it because of beeing ill... wait a second

today it was horrible

normaly i am doing better

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GYwFNgHQ1MRr8Py6?fight=last&type=healing&source=16

[grand herald]

yeah you arent casting RG at all

[rare marsh]

it was a wipe that one, we couldnt manage it. i am searching for the mythic logs

[grand herald]

SM is also not getting cast on CD

LB uptime is low

Incarn uptime is low

[rare marsh]

ok, can you explain me the shorts RG SM and LB, sy german

[grand herald]

overall CPM is low

Regrowth, Swiftmend, Lifebloom

[rare marsh]

ok

[formal fjord]

your lifebloom uptime will need to be a huge focus

are you using any addons to help here?

[rare marsh]

nope, at the moment not. any Addons witch are working that fare atm?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CBn1bK2DfXwTmYxr?fight=23&type=healing

[drowsy isle]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/lifebloomalert

[rare marsh]

ah nice thanks

do you have any logs from anyone of you just for me to look at

[grand herald]

heres a decent one of mine https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YtawQAB9LVpN6nH7?fight=25&type=healing

i am by no means perfect tho

[rare marsh]

thanks, wow nice HPS

to be honest, M+ is so much easier atm for me

i nether struggelt that hard

but thanks i will check that out

[silent niche]

What exactly is classified as a "Final Bloom" in the new changes on 12.0.5? Is this all "bloom" procs/ buffs or is it only the LAST tick, aka Lifeboom expires/pandemic windows?

[pulsar kettle]

its all blooms.

[formal fjord]

its just written poorly

[fervent mica]

with no talents lifebloom only blooms at the end, talents just trigger said final bloom

[main timber]

I dont even know how I'd reword it

[tough portal]

But how do you read this, all 1 talent feature, talk X about final bloom, then Y causes blooms, like it reads so obvious no?

That it's... connected?

It's all 1 talent or 1 package

[fervent mica]

they don't read that though... only patch notes

[silent niche]

yeah only the patch notes says final bloom

nothing else in game says "final"

[tough portal]

No?

It says final bloom right there

[tough portal]

Right, the effect on the live game is different

On PTR it is what I posted

[fervent mica]

soon™

[silent niche]

So this is ptr tooltip?

Because nothing on there specifies if all blooms are final blooms or if blooming frenzy is also a final bloom so i think i'm good to ask for clarifications

[tough portal]

Ok

[rustic copper]

it's not possible to blacklist debuffs anymore is it, I'm redoing my ui rn with danders and it seems I can't blacklist the bloodlust debuff

[potent ferry]

does anyone know why blizz cdm (with the better cdm addon ofc) only shows remaining countdown on lightbloom when its on myself and not on any other party member

its so cooked

on party member

vs o nme

[harsh quail]

its on the "premade" blacklist and you can decide if its hidden in combat or ooc

[tough portal]

Danders cant

They're quite lacking so far

But grid2 has that option

[tough portal]

So maybe Danders will in a couple more Claude prompts

[rustic copper]

it's ok I'm going to play m+ without debuffs

easy

[waxen ingot]

How hard is shaman compared to druid in m+?

[glass crane]

you can blacklist lust on danders

and have been able to for about 3 years

grid2 enjoyers cope harder

[tough portal]

Does it still not track from others if it's being tracked as a "cooldown" vs as a "buff" in the CDM?

I think only as a buff it would track on others

It's bad

Not sure tho I dont track it on CDM

[potent ferry]

it works as tracked bar on buff but not on buff icon, idk blizz cdm is just cookde as hell

gonna just get that lifebloom alert addon lmao

[silent niche]

using default blizzard buff cdm

[supple seal]

Yeh I use it on buffs and have sound attached to it. Works just fine that way.

[blissful goblet]

Easy mode apparently

[weary moss]

If all I wanted was to add a raid frame glow to targets that have a dispellable debuff on top of base UI. What would be a recommended approach?

[sudden rover]

yeah I have same issue

I have accepted my fate, now I look at lifebloom on the raid frames

[cursive pilot]

splash some water and spam chain heal

[potent ferry]

i usually look at the frames too but i have a problem that i look away to not stand in shit and suddenly my bloom is gone

[grand herald]

I use a WA to make a sound for me

[supple seal]

I did have to remove it from all trackers and then reload before adding it to buffs to get it to work. But now it shows icon with timer for lifebloom when it is on anyone. Then you can add a sound alert for when it falls off

[tough portal]

Yeah sound alert and maybe a color flash on frame during pandemic will help a lot

[waxen ingot]

I really want to swap to something and do high keys (im doing 18s/19s now so not like super high)

but i dont wanna spend 2 months learning the class to do it

so im thinkign wehats the best

[hardy canopy]

swap to mw tbh

both are easy but mw is spin to win rn

[tough portal]

You're swapping out of rdru to push M+ on a dif healer?

[waxen ingot]

I’m not swapping out

[tough portal]

Justt wanna keep a 2nd option available if they nerf?

[fast snow]

I was interested in this as well as I sometimes do miss the pandemic warning I have because of mechanics. I have a meekaura that can make an annoucement when it's missing but i don't know how to make it flash on frame

[tough portal]

Any raid frame addon should have the ability to do that, do you use one rn?

[fast snow]

Danders (for better or worse)

[waxen ingot]

Tbh I want a 2nd option in general to not play only 1 class, but i would prefer not to get stuck healing 12/16 for a month till I learn it

[tough portal]

MW typically had a steeper learning curve than rsham but current design really missed the mark, from what I gather

It's just easy as hell rn

[hardy canopy]

im ngl this season sucks for rdruid even tho you have the theoretical highest throughput

[tough portal]

Yeah idk it has really good UX so you just go Aura Designer tab and it should all be there in a well organized way

[hardy canopy]

phys comp is doing infinite dmg and is omega tanky compared to the caster meta

[fast snow]

i use the aura designer for a lot of stuff but when you said a flash you can make the whole raid frames do something when it's missing? maybe i misunderstood

[waxen ingot]

What r the flex options on healer for psys

[tough portal]

Yes mate go to the Aura Designer tab and it's there, color change / blink when in pandemic

[waxen ingot]

Both rsham and monk can work depening on the tank ye?

[fast snow]

ohhh ok something like that, yeah i can do that

[hardy canopy]

rsham and mw but rsham is the better option

ancestral vigor is op i swear

[fast snow]

i do wanna gear up my baby shaman

[pulsar kettle]

devo dh, warlock and aug are all pretty tanky.

[hardy canopy]

there's no way you're telling me aug is tanky

dh inside meta ye

[pulsar kettle]

its not exactly squishy

breath lets them skip mechs with dilation, 2 walls with renewing blaze attached

[blissful goblet]

I’m at 14s so 18/19 high for me 😂

[haughty ibex]

idk im doing 18s on my druidand only 14/15s on rshaman but i find shamy way easier

[pulsar kettle]

the diff between 14s and 18s is crazy

[haughty ibex]

only weirder part is that I have to drink 10x more on shaman

[haughty ibex]

thanks for stating the obvious broskiman

[pulsar kettle]

pretty sure its more up to the key level than the spec

[haughty ibex]

i mean

u can objectively say if a spec is harder or easier by the basic gameplay

maybe not objectively can be personal but ykwim

rdruid imo is harder just for the fact that u have to prepare for dmg while shaman u basically don’t press anything till dmg starts to come out:D

[hardy canopy]

also its a season with no trash timers

i can't track when shit is coming so i just get caught off guard

[haughty ibex]

also true, i mean at one point u start to understand the pattern more or less but u dont have exact timer to prepare

[hardy canopy]

even after a hundred keys i yet have to memorize everything

[wise galleon]

Okay, for example Lothraxion circles that spawn the illusions. I can't see who has the debuffs that is going to spawn them

[amber junco]

Hello, I am have an absolutely terrible time with raid healing at the moment and it is not clicking for me. (I have terrible logs from Heroic Crown prog last night and I need help) M+ feels great but raid is a different ballgame. I'm persisent to get better and I keep trying but yeah idk, (im a prior hpal main) (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R6hwFTrQLV4aXPkZ) idk if this is the right place sorry im looking everywhere for help - feel free to dm if so

[rotund plaza]

hi 🙂 Im struggelig a bit to get good raid logs, would anyone be willing to take a look at my logs and give me a few pointers to what im doing wrong? or could do better ?https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/72899855

[rotund geode]

Some specs x dungeons have like 18 or 19s as top1world keys, but it's not "super high" oke

[tough portal]

That is just not a debuff

[haughty ibex]

Wdym sorry im confused

[tough portal]

The 3 circles yeah? Not a debuff

[wise galleon]

But I need to be prepared to heal

[tough portal]

Ok

That is not a debuff

[wise galleon]

Alright

[tough portal]

There isnt any raid frame that will show that as a debuff

[oak garnet]

You can see who has it before any damage

[wise galleon]

By enabling and icon showing private auras on my raidframes?

[tough portal]

Tbh it goes on 3 people out of 4 possible

[oak garnet]

Swap bloom to one one is you a lot so trade a skin or bear regen

[tough portal]

It isn't a random 1 target

Just heal everybody

[graceful ermine]

Yeah I was going to say

You know if it's on you or not

so you know who to heal

It's either the 3 dps or 2 dps + you

just heal everyone

or have friendly nameplates on, which is what I do

[wise galleon]

if it's on me I don't know who is not going to get the debuff of the other 3, just a bit annoying

[tough portal]

There is no way to show this on raid frames

As any addon or grid2 setting

[wise galleon]

oki doki

[thorn plover]

We just been spoiled with information til now

[tidal sigil]

If you extend lifebloom in pandemic with swiftmend, does it bloom or would it actually be better to reapply it and then extend

[graceful ermine]

Yeah I just double checked, there is no private aura associated with that ability

so no way whatseover to show on frames

[granite garnet]

Anyone know which addon is showing their defensives below the frames

[oak garnet]

Petes defensive tracker

Or smthn like that

[thorn plover]

Could be any number of add-ons... Blizz frames does it, minicc, danders, lots do it

[thorn whale]

Can also just be Danders frames

With anchor moved below the frames

[graceful ermine]

Does danders track defensives now?

[barren trout]

Didnt realize Danders tracked defensive cds

[thorn plover]

Always has

[harsh quail]

this is tracking the cd, not the active use

[thorn whale]

True

[thorn plover]

Oh

[thorn whale]

Something that will be hotfixed then probably haha

[thorn plover]

Then it's not danders

[graceful ermine]

Yeah, danders will show when defensives are active on a player but afaik not their cd

[oak garnet]

I literally said what it was

Petes defensive tracker

Defensive history not tracker mb

[thorn plover]

Lots of stuff will break tuesday

Quite a list of API changes

[waxen ingot]

i still dont see why wouldnt i be able to see my partys cooldowns

sucha dogshit change

[thorn plover]

They want you to talk to people

[grizzled seal]

Anything used by most people?

I hope they aren't breaking debuffs and personals again

[thorn plover]

Some debuff tracking things, raid/party cd tracking, m+ count current pull, more kick tracker workarounds

[indigo geyser]

hey, what are you referring to as « vi » ?

[grizzled seal]

What debuff tracking things

Don't care about the rest

[fallen compass]

I don't know the context, but VI usually refers to Verdant Infusion,

[thorn plover]

Likely nothing you'll notice, cant read what's on blizz default frames and replicate it basically. Grid and danders are already not doing this

[indigo geyser]

oh okay thank you !!

[thorn plover]

You'll be able to see some things blizzard doesn't show on theirs, and you won't be able to see some things they do show

[tough portal]

Do you use vuhdo still or grid2?

If you use Grid2, this is what is breaking I think.
They're blocking the debuff data from base frames, will need to use the other categories

[abstract cape]

can somebody tell me, how is this druid using Incarn twice in a row within 30 sec?

[fallen compass]

Possibly a reforest and a normally casted one?

[abstract cape]

thats what i thought but look

thast the reforestation procs

so if it was that, it should show all of them no?

[fallen compass]

Or they casted it and then before the end they accidentally left form and went back in?

[tough portal]

Just pressing it again after shifting out to a diff form for movement mate

[abstract cape]

yeah i thought maybe that was it too

ok BUT how about

him using it again at

06:43

from using it at 05:14 before that

?

[unique sedge]

When treants expire, they reduce cd

[abstract cape]

hmm yeah thats prolly it

[indigo geyser]

im coming back on this in case anyone had a clear response on the difference between 5k & 25k average on rejuv, as i’m curious what is doing that (stats can’t be that & talents are the same) & rake difference
is there any gameplay difference or style we should have to increase dmg uptime etc ?

[onyx atlas]

Hey question on the 12.0.5 changes to everbloom. The notes say "final bloom" heals 6 allies. Has this been confirmed to be all blooms? Or just the actual final bloom

[main timber]

It's every bloom

[onyx atlas]

thanks. the wording of it had me very nervous.

[stiff delta]

anyone know if its a bug why i cant pre-stack my reforestation before raid pulls anymore, or did they get rid of being able to do that?

[rustic copper]

does that mean things not on this list are un blacklistable

this is fucking unplayable

[cyan minnow]

yes that’s what it means

it’s awesome

[idle lake]

is there a boe helmet?

[rustic copper]

not for leather

[rustic copper]

https://www.wowpay2win.com/?tier=t46&region=us&boes=260372,260373&difficulty=3

cross server boe scanner

[harsh quail]

and dont forget the funny call debuff for the meme doc build. you can stack your own debuff list with this

[severe shoal]

they patched it a few weeks back

[tough portal]

WHI doesnt show on grid2 for me

[stiff delta]

Thank you 🙂