resto

[queen hare]

I got 2 choices... which one to apply (+12 mt)

[loud cradle]

its cursed

[sudden rover]

isnt this better than the other for keys,

[unique sedge]

The +10

[queen hare]

its so cursed man

[grizzled seal]

Not with the number of symb blooms we have now

[sudden rover]

ok ty

[calm dirge]

It was called Mana Sprite, I remember that one being insanenly good for some reason

[main timber]

Sprite was bugged and it took them 3 months to fix it

[calm dirge]

oh yea it was bugged

[wise eagle]

Would I be able to roll on myth track gaze in a pug if I already have a 276 heroic track one? Or does the system not allow it?

[calm dirge]

I think so yea

I belive track upgrades allows you to do it

[loud cradle]

apologies but back to this question, do I just keep it simple and go for gaze + locus?

[grizzled seal]

You could argue so is crucible

Shouldn't work in raids and m+

[main timber]

I definitely would yeah. The difference though is Sprite was classed as a bug internally whereas they are somehow happy with this one

Disaster item tuning this tier, even compared to usual

[grizzled seal]

At least this one is capped at champion and you could get sprite at hero

[main timber]

Yeah it'll also get outlevelled another 9 over the next few weeks

[grizzled seal]

True, forgot about that

[plain steeple]

Why even pick pota?

[calm dirge]

I've never really understood why Crucible is so good tbh. Does the stats increase with the talents or?

[grizzled seal]

Uptime and stats

[main timber]

If you hover over the ? on each trinket on QE it will be obvious quickly that this trinket gives twice as many stats

[calm dirge]

but it's only 1% leech no?

yea i did, i guess i just don't understand why it's so good. I know it says you're getting a lot of uptime, but is the stats the same or does it apply multiple stacks of the stats you get?

[main timber]

It's way simpler than all of that

Do you want your trinket to give you a few stats or a lot of stats?

A lot of stats right?

[calm dirge]

i mean yes! i guess i just kinda read the trinket and it only says 135 crit

[main timber]

This is what the QE tooltips are for. It lets you objectively compare average stats for each trinket

[slow pasture]

For the meme

[calm dirge]

Oh I was actually just looking at the trinket list and seeing it that way. That's probably the incorrect way at looking at it?

[main timber]

Did you hover over the ? icon like I mentioned

[calm dirge]

I did yea, but i probably don't know what overbudget actually means

[tough portal]

It's ok bro dont think about it

[main timber]

Read the stats there, not just the writing

[tough portal]

Just trust the robot

[main timber]

And then mouse over another trinket

Do you see the difference?

[stable verge]

if everbloom is 15% of LB for 2 people, how df can it do almost full LB ? Am I missing something or what

[tough portal]

55% uptime is selling it way short no? It has more like 80-85% uptime for me, at least in dungeons.

[main timber]

Yes the uptime there is broken because it can't read your settings

[stable verge]

Oh I am missing stuff nvm

[main timber]

But it runs it at 85% or whatever

[tough portal]

Everbloom is 30% on 2 people, no 15%. And it splashes the raw healing, includes overhealing, not only the effective amount you're showing at 14.31M

[stable verge]

Yeah I just noticed

[calm dirge]

Well it was more the fact that it gave crit. I thought it was kinda a weird staff for us to go after. I did read the uptime on it

[main timber]

Crit is worse, but you'd rather than 2 crit than 1 mastery

If it gave same stats as other trinkets you wouldn't wear it

But it doesn't

[marsh plover]

dang a big apex talent nerf. Was good for cases like windrunner spire where I can only dispel one and prio heal the other

[main timber]

Read the top pin, we aren't getting nerfed

[grizzled seal]

[deft oar]

If we swap over to ws build does vaelgors lose value since its CDs are weaker?

[marsh plover]

ooh so photosynthesis even more important now

[calm dirge]

my tiny brain might just not understand why it's that good for us. is it because of the uptime and the fact it gives us the 135 crit pretty much all the time?

[main timber]

Mate I think you might be better off just trusting the robot if my answers haven't helped

[proven phoenix]

lmfao

be nice man

[marsh plover]

So we take apex in raid no matter what now? Photo and everbloom SoTF procs do lots of healing?

[fallow axle]

If your going to post that homeboys build is bad you gotta post a “better” owlweaving keeper builds

[marsh plover]

Wheres the m+ keeper owlweaving build I wanna do that

[tough portal]

Wait for voulk to update the guide

Patch isnt live

[marsh plover]

Gotcha I will be patient

[deft oar]

It gives a lot of stats, so much so that the stat it gives not being the best for us is outweighed by how much it gives

[fallow axle]

And it’s not lucky lol, I’ve put in many hours with my MW to be this guild

[tough portal]

Bruh

What is going on today lmao

[calm dirge]

aah! yea i didn't really understand it. at least when i first got an answer i didn't really understand
thanks tho!

[proven phoenix]

its almost patch day

u know it attracts those kind of posters

[tough portal]

#resto message

[proven phoenix]

ok true

sorry I take that back

[reef stratus]

myeah, but it's from Vick's +20 Nexus from yesterday, at 14:20 mark he says heart of wind is garbage if you are already 31% haste

[deft oar]

Does vaelgors lose value when going ws? The reason I ask is I was told the diff in kotg and ws is that kotg is stronger with CDs and ws is more constant throughput

[main timber]

Hopefully notbody said that because that would just be random nonsense

[grizzled seal]

druid in raids is no longer a cd healer

we are just shitting out hps semi-consistently

[quiet wyvern]

we're just hpals

tragic

[grizzled seal]

the only relevant cd we have is tranq with reck pot

[tough portal]

This is what I would say to play.
The class tree he posted was wasting a lot of points, MS is better for caster damage than Liveliness, and swapping to KOTG is a healing loss. You can sacrifice healing for more damage for easy keys if you want to make more swaps.

[weary void]

After the apex changes, does anyone know whether to run apex talent raid healing build or wild growth w/o apex? Thx

[calm dirge]

[deft oar]

So what fights are vaelgors good for?

[tough portal]

I said that
Well, I said KOTG's 4-5 treants on CDs is probably just not good enough for 'burst healing' to outpace WS, mostly because, yeah, no real burst healing.

Specifically if WS can also be gamed for Everbloom

[main timber]

Wrong thing

[marsh plover]

so will owlweaving be competitive with catweaving? i imagine it will still be worse dam but safer

[main timber]

I am talking about 31% haste

[tough portal]

Oh

No he does say that a lot

[main timber]

This

[tough portal]

I was watching him play

Good player

And he just keeps harping on haste being USELESS after 31%

[tidal lynx]

How do you guys feel about pandaren druids.

[tough portal]

Literally those words

[calm dirge]

guys how do i make a ring actually drop

i swear it's impossible

[main timber]

Can someone link him a guide to what haste does

[marsh plover]

question for the raid build on wowhead, why do we take catweaving talents and fluid form and HoTW? Is there many chances to catweave in raid? in my experience there isnt much value in that

[main timber]

They are low value but also class talent points are mostly made up

[marsh plover]

gotcha

[main timber]

You can take everything you want + rake / rip

[marsh plover]

but why fluid form and HoTW over typhoon and perfectly honed?

[tough portal]

HOTW is a good chunk of mana back for little investment

[marsh plover]

oooh ok

[slow pasture]

Yeah just catform / hotw / RIP and profit the mana return

[tough portal]

But

[main timber]

HotW is an obvious pick up, Fluid Form you can ditch

[tough portal]

Abundance is great mana management rn and you may not really need the MS mana in most fights

It's a nice safety net tho if you arent playing very efficiently with it

[grizzled seal]

why 31% though

[calm dirge]

i don't really like fluid form tbh

[grizzled seal]

what's the lore

[tough portal]

Idfk man

[calm dirge]

i just pick a diff talent

[tough portal]

That's just the best number

[deft oar]

chat I just wanna know about vaelgors and which fights / builds to use it on

[pulsar kettle]

it's vick baiting

[marsh plover]

so HoTW is for mana return with MS in raid

[tough portal]

Probably counting 30% + 1% from nelf or something

[grizzled seal]

so in cat form or what

as in not in caster form

[calm dirge]

all bosses that requires healing

[marsh plover]

wish they made caster HoTW like full moon or something

[calm dirge]

okay jokes aside, i would recommend using it on bosses that requires big healing

[grizzled seal]

what

[oak garnet]

Are people's browsers broken or QE down. What's w all the wild trinket questions and magic haste breakpoints

[quiet wyvern]

first time in this chat ?

[oak garnet]

Fair question

[pulsar kettle]

[deft oar]

Don't understand what's confusing.

My first question was if vaelgors loses value when going ws as it's less burst around CDs

My second question is asking if there a certain fights you do or don't want to run vaelgors on

[tough portal]

I asked vkcman in chat, he said it's just the haste he gets from haste on all his items and flask?! Ig less exciting of an answer than I was expecting.

[calm dirge]

hey at least people aren't toxic in this discord

[tough portal]

That was until 20 mins ago, now Torty is back on his pc

[fallow axle]

I am 100 going keeper by the way, thats why i asked for a keeper build, i understand the healing loss but im trying to max damage, thank you though

[grizzled seal]

it's worse than 2 other trinkets so why would you run it over them?

[calm dirge]

fuck

[grizzled seal]

I am so confused rn

[deft oar]

Don't have ribbon
Have a HC stare and if it's not worth running over like HOW then maybe there's scenarios where I would choose HOW?

[grizzled seal]

You just equip your 2 best trinkets

[fervent mica]

just do whatever the bot says

[grizzled seal]

No need to make it more complicated than this

[deft oar]

Okay and stare and HOW are equal on qelive

[grizzled seal]

I am yet to encounter a scenario where I needed on use trinket or needed a proc trinket or whatever

[tough portal]

I'm not allowed to share this, it's too dank for chat and Voulk would smite me down + I need to do more damage than you

[pulsar kettle]

face keeping the op damage build a secret as usual

smh!

[calm dirge]

typical gatekeepers

[plain rampart]

Guys, honestly do you actually do a dps rotation while healing or just press the one button rotation

[calm dirge]

i do dps rotation

[pulsar kettle]

why would you one button

[plain rampart]

I'm just asking because i'm getting 80% parse with the one button rotation XD, it seems too convenient

[pulsar kettle]

ok but key parses are useless

[grizzled seal]

Barely anybody logs keys

[calm dirge]

when i actually remember to log keys it's only to see what i can improve on

[pulsar kettle]

the DPS rotation is like 3 buttons? Are we really that lazy as a player man

[calm dirge]

but it's never dps

[plain rampart]

first time I hear logs are useless the one button thing is doing like 6-7 things idk

[empty agate]

80% dmg parse when half of the druids don't even press 1 single dmg cd in keys

[calm dirge]

and that's why you don't use one button rotation tbh

[grizzled seal]

We don't even have 6-7 DPS spells, man

What are you on about

[quiet wyvern]

SIX SEVEEEEN

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[main timber]

Just press Wrath on one target and Starfire on AoE. 2 button rotation and you won't pay the penalty.

[plain rampart]

I just counted them, on the one button thing it's 7 spells ._.

[main timber]

When you are ready, include Heart of the Wild in Cat Form

[fervent mica]

no one said logs are useless? they said key parses are useless

[grizzled seal]

Name the spells

[plain rampart]

maybe it's suboptimal to press that many things idk

[main timber]

It probably casts spells that aren't even good anymore

[calm dirge]

i would love to see the 7 spells, because i don't we even have that many

[plain rampart]

i'm just asking guys, you're too at the defensive on this topic, any reason?

[calm dirge]

or do we

[grizzled seal]

Well, I'm asking you, you made a proposal

What 7 spells are you casting because I'm certainly not

[plain rampart]

you can see them too, just mouse over the 1 button thing

[grizzled seal]

I'm not in game

[quiet wyvern]

just name them

[pulsar kettle]

bro

[quiet wyvern]

mate

it's not hard

[fervent mica]

guys just trolling

[plain rampart]

but I can agree maybe all the one button is casting is suboptimal

[fervent mica]

ban and move on, thanks

[quiet wyvern]

so true bestie

[hollow shell]

Rip, rake, fero bite, shred, heart of the wild, maybe the AOE one if you take it and what's the 7th? Convoke?

[calm dirge]

You do realize those spells are only if you have the talents right? It won't use Starsurge/Starfire if you don't even have it talented

And last i checked MotW isn't a dps spell

[quiet wyvern]

tbf he did say spells

[pulsar kettle]

chat is insane today

[quiet wyvern]

not dps spell

either way dumb convo

[grizzled seal]

That's what we get for being m+ meta

[quiet wyvern]

we are ?

horrible day

[pulsar kettle]

nerf rdru in m+

[grizzled seal]

Yes

[calm dirge]

but wasn't it regarding a dps rotation? but yea you're right

[pulsar kettle]

I beg

[reef thicket]

Isn't most of our damage contribution in keys from MoTW anyway?

Bc vers

[quiet wyvern]

can the devs please buff hpala but only in m+

[hollow shell]

BTW does putting bleeds out gain mana or does it just feel like it because I'm not casting heals fkr a while?

[quiet wyvern]

the chat is better when it's dead

[fervent mica]

not when you don't use it.

[grizzled seal]

That may be the case but casting DPS spells and buffing before the pull are not mutually exclusive actions

[quiet wyvern]

when you cast Rip you can generate mana with MS

but also using cat dps does help mana

[calm dirge]

i will now not use MotW from now on

[quiet wyvern]

for a number of reasons including yours

[reef thicket]

Yeah, I guess I just don't see the point of this convo lol

[tough portal]

Wouldnt say 'most', it depends on the key but you should be able to do more than 3% of the group's total damage with your own spells

To outpace MOTW

[vast rapids]

Any reason most of top Druids don’t play implant for M+? I find myself relying on it for juicy spot heals, is it because the other talent does more dps?

[tough portal]

Cuz dum

[grizzled seal]

Motw is slightly less than 3% because 3% vers is not 3% DPS

[tough portal]

Dumb / outdated idea that Twin Sprouts is better because it used to be better

Implant is def better

[reef thicket]

MoTW and then HoTW on CD is about all I ever feel I need to do

[grizzled seal]

Could be 2.8%, could be even lower depending on the stat distributions of DPS players

[tough portal]

Some people dont like afking

Cheers to you tho

[reef thicket]

Valid

[tough portal]

You dont have to... participate

In the conversation

If you dont see the point

[reef thicket]

I was questioning the one button guy

Wasn't sure what his question was

[plain rampart]

so no one button

[tough portal]

Not 'logs are useless' btw, he said key parses are useless. Logs arent just parsing lol

[plain rampart]

you're right, my bad on that one

[tough portal]

So now with context from our helpful didnt-want-to-participate-but-inserted-himself friend

[plain rampart]

I don't agree with parses being useless but I did read it wrong

[tough portal]

You can get an idea that lots of resto druids you're parsing against just dont even press damage buttons

They just afk

[pulsar kettle]

my rdruid in a weekly 12 doing 600 dps

[tough portal]

So 80th percentile parse may be a misleading number for how much damage you're doing compared to your potential

It's certainly not 80% of the 100th percentile parse, for instance

[pulsar hill]

I'm kind afking dps wise in keys cause I feel like if I don't maintain 10 rejuvs at all time eventually someone will die to damage

[rustic copper]

Did you kill bird yet

[grizzled seal]

Didn't even try it yet

[rustic copper]

Gg

[grizzled seal]

We raid Sunday and Monday

Well, we had pulls on it last week obv

Not this week

[rustic copper]

I need more ppl on Lura to talk to

[tough portal]

Sure, there are people that feel this way and part of learning and improving is understanding the dungeons better, being more aware of mechanics and incoming damage, and shedding this inefficiency

[sudden rover]

any reason why almost no top druid in keys plays ND but it's recommended on wowhead? Every druid I've spoken to find this talent useless in keys

[grizzled seal]

I think Lura healing gets changed a lot on reset

Depending on what we play

[thorn plover]

im progging dragons, hope that helps

[tough portal]

Every druid I've spoken to is actually just a stupid person

All of them no take backs

[spark river]

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/pangea-druid-gif-24691907

[thorn plover]

do you spend a lot of time talking to yourself? 🤣

[tough portal]

So you answered yourself tho, no? I mean, why do they not play it? Because they think it's useless.

[pulsar kettle]

you've seen lots of rdruids here recommend it

[sudden rover]

Yeah but what is weird to me is dropping the lifebloom 3 mastery stacks for it, I find it very good

[tough portal]

How much healing does that do?

[pulsar kettle]

ND saves a ton of globals over the course of a key and lets you pump more rgs and also pre-hot between pulls better.

[thorn plover]

i will not drop ND in keys

ever

[pulsar kettle]

hb isn't a great talent. We reach mastery DR very fast.

[spark river]

nd 😂

[queen wyvern]

do we owlweave in keys now? just wondering why moonkin form is taken in m+ talents according to archon talent builds?

[pulsar kettle]

10/10 contribution sol

[fervent mica]

archon is a meme

[thorn plover]

step 1: dont look at archon

[tough portal]

ND is undroppable, nobody that thinks it's useless has demonstrated that they understand how to think with a brain yet

[pulsar kettle]

This is probably cn druids taking sunfire

[oak garnet]

🫠

[pulsar kettle]

moonkin is just the pathway node.

[gentle nova]

Me tooo????!!

[tough portal]

You're #1 bb

[queen wyvern]

yea was thinking its cus of sunfire, just pathing but was curious

kk

[gentle nova]

RUDE

[sudden rover]

i find it funny how controversial that talent is

[spark river]

its not

[tough portal]

Implant over Twin Sprouts alone is a like 2x the healing upgrade than HB does total and these very smart druids you're talking to all drop ND for HB but pick Twin Sprouts, what gives?

[pulsar kettle]

Healing requirements in keys are actually piss and you can vibe your talents and stats all the way to 21s

[sudden rover]

yeah thats what I'm getting out of all this

since druids cant agree, it must mean it's useless and u can play with or without

[thorn plover]

china takes sunfire because its lucky

they dont even cast it

[pulsar kettle]

most logs they do, probably too much

[deft oar]

In sunfire not a good global in aoe, it does very little in the grand scheme of things but it's better than nothing?

[pulsar kettle]

they also drink more because of it

[tough portal]

It's not better than nothing, it's worse than Starfire. It also costs mana and lots of these logs casting 70 sunfires per key are sitting down to drink practically the same 300k mana they spent on Sunfire

[wispy snow]

anyone know did they fix plater?

[thorn plover]

fix how

[wispy snow]

i havn't used it this expac is it working?

[thorn plover]

ya it works fine

[wispy snow]

ok i'm sick of these jumbled plates in m+

cant see shit

[thorn plover]

lots of good profiles on wago again
im using jundies, its basically the same as i had in tww

[glass crane]

describes a lot of things in my life tbh

[wispy snow]

i've just been doing 10s for homework but now i'm pushing bc i'm bored i need a better setup lol

[past tusk]

What about dropping Nature's Bounty in keys? 😄

[thorn plover]

thats a valid drop

[spark river]

so is nd

[thorn plover]

16 skyreach mana playing this build lmao

cursed

[tough portal]

You can think of it as giving you, say, 2 Rejuv per minute extra, so you can think of its healing gain as giving you 2 extra Regrowths per minute, for instance. It's the same benefit as having VI, but it should generate more Rejuv uptime than VI (ofc less on other hots, but most of the time in hard healing checks these logs arent just using Swiftmend to extend Lifebloom either.

[fallen dune]

can someone explain to me why the druid change will be a buff in m+? in raid lifebloom will heal more ppl, but in m+ it was healing already everyone, now will heal just less, isnt it?

[fervent mica]

it only did 2 people before

[thorn plover]

explain how its less

heals 6 for 50%, instead of 2 for 30%

seems like more to me

[tough portal]

Ok but when you say bullshit

You dont sound smart to them

They wont trust you

It isnt 50% vs 30% is it

Be real bro

[thorn plover]

is it not

[tough portal]

What galaxy said, it doesnt heal everyone, it heals 2 people. It'll be everyone. Main difference.

[fervent mica]

its only blooms now

[tough portal]

30% of all Lifebloom vs 50% of final Blooms...

[thorn plover]

ok fair

[fervent mica]

the extra targets and longer range are both quite good

[sudden rover]

oh yeah I understand the value, I just like the lifebloom mastery talent more

[tough portal]

That's a 2% talent

[fervent mica]

the difference between 6 and 8 stacks of mastery is depresso

[tough portal]

Ok not really but yeah it's not all that sick tbh

I think it's all the same

[sudden rover]

yeah it's whatever

[tough portal]

You can evaluate it higher if you average out the mastery stack value or lower if you just count the final 2 stacks as being HB

But ND in terms of gameplay

Is easily the best

Meanwhile these very smart druids

Leaving 5% healing on the table

Picking Twin Sprouts

[pulsar hill]

So, is there any good source for what people are playing in high keys (17 and higher) if Archon isn't the way to go?

[thorn plover]

logs

[flint void]

pull the data from WCL?

[sudden rover]

raider.io, look at each key individually, u can see talents there

[thorn plover]

raider.io data is on crack

my last key the talents arent even close to what i played

[flint void]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/47?boss=112526&class=Druid&spec=Restoration

this for example gives you a % usage of talent points of the top 100 people who did AA

[sudden rover]

ah for real? fuck

[thorn plover]

it says i played UG and embrace

[fervent mica]

all of these aggregate sites pull false data... its really dumb

[flint void]

the WCL data is not false.

[sudden rover]

0 druid playing ND

[thorn plover]

@tough portal do you know if the cdm can track the cooldown of CotED, or do i need to build a timer in arcui

[flint void]

its in 20-19's

[fervent mica]

talking about stuff like archon... that will grab talent builds you haven't used since the romans invaded

[tough portal]

You have to build a custom bar

[thorn plover]

thanks

[glass crane]

if you asked those 100 druids to tell you about how mastery dr works I bet about 18 of them could do it

[tough portal]

I had made one but I also swapped out of arcui

[flint void]

I presume in 19-20s not many need ND because of high outgoing damage?

[tough portal]

So I dont have one anymore ig sadge

I just look at my raid frame debuff

[thorn plover]

oh you get a debuff when its on cd

?

[glass crane]

you don't "need" any of the talents at the bottom of the druid tree except maybe convoke

[thorn plover]

i never noticed it tbh

[flint void]

Abundance says hi

[glass crane]

you don't need abundance to time 19s

[tough portal]

Every log you check for a 19-20 with ND and without ND there's a 2-3 Rejuv CPM difference in the hard bosses

I dont think the outgoing damage is changing this much

[idle lake]

is this worth with spare charges?

[fervent mica]

listen to the robot

[dense lantern]

Sim it but also you get charges pretty easily so I just send them

[tough portal]

We do have very competitive talents tho, I just dont think the one-sided representation of some talents is a good picture of our talent situation

[dense lantern]

As long as the sim says its an upgrade

[fervent mica]

if its super close, just hold until more upgrades and sim again

[flint void]

i do find it funny that at extramely high keys, people started playing VI

[dense lantern]

They're just bald

No idk I'm mostly joking but I have no clue how VI would help

[fervent mica]

vi is just less thinking

[flint void]

i think i know why

[tough portal]

The same way ND would but they think ND is useless

[oak garnet]

Hell yeah

[flint void]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9gn6hBMZc4TQGyYj?fight=2&type=casts&source=6 I pulled up this AA 20, the Rdruid in there has 110 casts of Rake

and 91 casts of Shred

[tough portal]

Every talent choice made for healing more helps create more damage uptime

Thats not a VI thing

[glass crane]

the lesson to take from this is that when there is this much discussion about talents then ultimately the difference is minimal or else it would be obvious which talent is better

[flint void]

I meant that by organised and pre-planned pre-made compositions, a lot of them Rdruids start speccing into being able to do as much damage as possible to actively help get to timer

[glass crane]

it was the same back in s3/4 df, ppl played all kinds of shit as rdruid bc it didn't matter

bc your set bonus was doing all the work

[sinful zephyr]

Guess we know better than those ppl who time 20-21s with VI

[tough portal]

Lol

Do you think their choices are all gospel mate?

[main timber]

Definitely wish people would spend a fraction of this time looking at their gameplay

[sinful zephyr]

Nope, if only they knew..

[fervent mica]

but its the pugs holding them back

[pulsar hill]

What is ND?

[thorn plover]

changing 1 talent is going to make be able to do 21s right

[sudden rover]

💯

[thorn plover]

im not timing 21s because i dont have sunfire

i get it now

[glass crane]

I promise you you could use a talent randomizer on the bottom 3rd of the druid tree before the key starts and these guys wouldn't notice

[sinful zephyr]

Im kidding, all chill. But its kinda strange that most of those logs have VI

[tough portal]

They all have Twin Sprouts too

[glass crane]

most of the bottom 3rd of the tree is random amps to abilities, not meaningful changes to the ways the spells work

[sinful zephyr]

Do they copy or?

[glass crane]

yes, the top of the ladder is full on copycatting

same with most competitive things

you look at what the top guy is using, you copy it bc there must be a reason he's doing it

[quiet wyvern]

that's how you know jb never copies anyone

he always plays the most batshit talent builds that int himself

nobody copies him

[fervent mica]

don't need to understand your talents if you can just snag them from someone whos done the content

[quiet wyvern]

he's free like that

big respect

[glass crane]

r1 na btw

copy that

[flint void]

my friend is doing 19-20s (evoker), and the one specific problem you start facing at extremely high keys is that everything becomes a giant damage sponge, and you still have the exact same key timer.

so my hypothesis to these high-key behavioris that i presume a lot of the healers there are speccing into doing a bit more damage, because the difference between doing 2K dps and doing 20K dps might mean you beat the timer by 1 second instead of failing the timer by one second.

[quiet wyvern]

jdotb — 21:56
r1 na btw

[tough portal]

Why are the chinese dominating the score leaderboards rn actually?

[spark river]

why is the rank1 na not playing nd

[tough portal]

Like whats up with that

[spark river]

must be trolling

[flint void]

always has been

[glass crane]

none of the good western teams are pushing

they are doing mdi for money

but the chinese are scared of that

[tough portal]

R1 in what @glass crane

[pulsar kettle]

copying ur build and blaming you on my next failed 17

[glass crane]

io

[tough portal]

Marvel rivals r1

Bro you're 170 behind vitalitie wdym

[glass crane]

for s3

[pulsar kettle]

isnt vita cn

[glass crane]

no one gives a shit what your io is on a random saturday in the middle of the season

[tough portal]

The fabled TWW s4

That existed

Yes

[pulsar kettle]

tww s4 woulda been a banger

imagine another season of priory

[tough portal]

No yeah I get that, I was just curious

[whole horizon]

[flint void]

can you not give everyone PTSD from priory

[tough portal]

I saw someone say china get faster vaults than weekly

[pulsar kettle]

they have anti gambling shit so i think their vault is diff

[main timber]

Such rumours have persisted for years

[idle lake]

priory last pull 💔

[main timber]

None of that stuff is different

Perhaps some players push hard early weeks so they can sell runs the rest of the season. Hard to say for sure...

[glass crane]

best china difference is that dresaron wasn't allowed to be a bone dragon so they put weird skin on him

[dense lantern]

those people also constantly press sunfire

[flint void]

if you're pushing high-end keys, mind me asking if the hypothesis of:

High keys have a damage issue, keys are only barely timed, so you spec into more damage things as healer to try and help fix that
is true or not?

[pulsar kettle]

more damage is good in higher keys where the timer is tighter?

revolutionary.

[glass crane]

your goal as a healer should always be to build for the healing required and once that threshold is met you optimize for dmg

[idle lake]

i got the big eye

[flint void]

if that is true, it does explaina LOT why the high end keys are taking things like sunfire, VI, no ND,...

because people actually do propper interrupts and the actual healing required in organised groups is less

[main timber]

Half of that stuff is not even a DPS increase

[pulsar kettle]

funny thing about sunfire is that they end up just afking drinking the difference

[tough portal]

Nobody that picks VI OR Prosperity thinks one of them is better healing but the other is better for damage uptime
Better for damage uptime is the same as better healing
The only talent swaps that make you do more damage outright are the ones that buff your damage directly IF the opportunity cost of needing a few more healing spells for the same healing isn't outpacing that

[glass crane]

sunfire will not make you drink substantially more often

that's cope

[main timber]

Also are any of them even taking the only T3 talent that is a more obvious DPS increase?

I'm not suggesting they should obviously

[tough portal]

#resto message it does tho

Or you gonna hit me with "it's not taking Sunfire, it's pressing Sunfire too much"

[glass crane]

if you're spamming the button 3 times on gather and then refreshing outside the pandemic maybe

[flint void]

i also assume they're all nelfs for being able to drink while the pull is going on

[tough portal]

You can ofc talent it and not press it, then it doesnt cost you mana

[pulsar kettle]

[flint void]

shadowmeld-food is op

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[tough portal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/muppetwiki-muppets-kermit-the-frog-xdLH51eNWZAHrwy5mf

Sunfire isnt even worth pressing once we all become Starfire spammers anyway

[pulsar hill]

How long does a pack need to live to outdo starfire in damage?

[pulsar kettle]

dw theyll emergency buff cat abilities

any second now

[flint void]

[main timber]

Trying to push for cat buffs but wasn't looking good

[pulsar kettle]

a single cast of starfire does more than an entire sunfire duration im pretty sure.

[tough portal]

With MS, it never does

[pulsar hill]

that's wild, guess it only finds use if you are moving around

[tough portal]

With Liveliness, it does, but thats worse for your damage in that case

[flint void]

blizz actually likes rdruids to take caster-form, because it's a healer that's not a monk, they're supposed to be at range casting spells

i like

let me gosh darn it bliz, especially when we have a full hero tree devoted to

[main timber]

I will play Cat anyway and be like the Moonkin-form enjoyers of yesteryear

[dense lantern]

No

[tidal lynx]

I wonder if high key pushers will still just use both

[flint void]

Cat is just a much more enoyable pleaystyle

[dense lantern]

It's because if you check this channel

It's clear that cat is somehow too much brainpower for most people

Even if it's literally the same

[pulsar kettle]

less brainpower tbh

[dense lantern]

So they need to buff the only dps form people actually use

[tidal lynx]

For me I just don't want to be a cat

[pulsar kettle]

cant wait to watch my healer die to a ground effect cuz theyre too busy casting starfire

[dense lantern]

Can't have cat form buffs when people in +5s are never going cat

[flint void]

no, cat means you have to run up to the boss and press cat buttons, you can't have that, need to be in narnia like a scared owl

[tidal lynx]

It's more of an owl vs cat look

[main timber]

Won't be taking Fluid Form so won't ever be an Owl

[tidal lynx]

wait what

[pulsar hill]

Fluid Form keeps me sane

[tidal lynx]

What about that build that person posted

[flint void]

Why take Fluid form if you're not taking

[brisk lodge]

just started playin again since s1 df. looks like grid2 is preferred over danders, can anyone confirm? i miss cell

[main timber]

People have posted 100 builds, you will need to be more specific

[polar lichen]

if you cat dps you might accidentally stand in your own efflorescence

[main timber]

Both are fine but I'd recommend Grid2 myself

[tidal lynx]

Someone posted that with an important name color

[tough portal]

I posted like 17 dif builds

[dense lantern]

kek

[pulsar kettle]

[dense lantern]

i posted a shit build yesterday sorry about that

[tidal lynx]

no fluid form

[fervent mica]

losing haste to go into owl is sadness

[pulsar kettle]

vinter baiting white names

typical !

[tidal lynx]

vinter i trusted you

[main timber]

They are a moonkin expert

[tough portal]

I'm not taking fluid form bro but like it's a whatever talent, not every build posted has 70 locked in talent points bro

[deft oar]

Bro makes a website and calls himself an expert gg

[main timber]

Class talents now that we have +3 are quite free

[tidal lynx]

Voulk would you share what the build may actually look like?

[tough portal]

You'll have like a bunch of flexible points

[main timber]

He does insane work for the Moonkins so we will give him this one

[dense lantern]

multiple websites actually

[tough portal]

There is no 'the build'

[pulsar kettle]

WHATS THE BUILD MAN

[flint void]

i'd do this if i had to go moonkin, but i don't wanna

[tidal lynx]

There wont be a build?

[main timber]

It'll be on wowhead / IV on like Monday. It doesn't have too many twists in it

[tidal lynx]

oh.

[tough portal]

No we'll go talentless in protest

For cat buffs

Close the channel all that shit

[tidal lynx]

I heard that works in paladin discords

[pulsar kettle]

based and real

[flint void]

based

just lock the channel to only or emotes until buff

[fervent mica]

i don't think i'd run an m+ build that didn't have imp roar... speed is the best thing we can provide

[flint void]

[main timber]

I know we said class tree is flexible but this one might be hazardous

[flint void]

i was meming, i'm sorry

[main timber]

lmao all good

[tough portal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mods-discord-help-v2GdOGuasuu9ojDmZm

[main timber]

Great, Liavre is here in spirit

[flint void]

but still, what is conceptually so terrible about it, i'd love to hear

[tough portal]

No forestwalk

Forestwalk is #1 talent of all time

[main timber]

No Forest walk but you took points like improved moonfire

[tough portal]

And 2% armor

[hearty coral]

Yeah I took off forest walk for my talent tree named low key caster trolldps

Forest walk is 🔥

[flint void]

ok, don't shoot me, i'm going to cook something

[open ferry]

soooo dream of cenarius gonna be good now or what :^)

[main timber]

Deleting this until you spec HotW

[thorn plover]

poof

[flint void]

hey! i was meming

[boreal karma]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/121880955379122176/1495141973026410628/Screenshot_2026-03-29_140032.png?ex=69e52af8&is=69e3d978&hm=87b7244e14d28b90a7dcb3bd2b589087cae99638dbf9a1a8675934566dca201c&

[flint void]

fine....

[main timber]

What is the point in being mod if I can't even ban for this

[fervent mica]

kekowl

[hearty coral]

You forgot the all important Sunfire manuever

[iron sail]

Can anyone point me to a good guide specifically for m+? Some high rated druid or something

[quiet wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055535291592626279/1253038881427947581/ezgif-4-5a97323732.gif

[boreal karma]

Sunfire is huge with the buffs

[dense lantern]

what is this

[fervent mica]

owl hatred, obv

[boreal karma]

[quiet wyvern]

srade unfortunate timing

[open ferry]

dont hate on owl its cute

[dense lantern]

just take glyph of stars

[wary belfry]

You can ban them trust

I will support your decision

[main timber]

I don't mind how Owl looks, I just hate how unimpactful it is for DPS

[thorn whale]

what? me slamming 5% more dps into shitter mobs that will be dead anyways when the important mob dies is not impactful?

[open ferry]

i dont disagree

[thorn whale]

Taking away funnel from the classes that uses that

Idk can't see why that would be bad

[main timber]

Not even talking about caster stuff in general (though I kind of agree there too), just the Moonkin Form itself sucks

[hearty coral]

I have glyph of the stars when I'm balance

[wary belfry]

Srade asks a question and voulk instantly dismisses them and calls them a moron hate to see it

[hearty coral]

Does it not work for resto

Or do I have to use it again

[tough portal]

The spell that isnt worth pressing over Starfire, getting buffed by LESS than Starfire, is somehow gonna be worth pressing, you reckon that do you?

[iron sail]

Unlucky me

[main timber]

Why did they buff DoTs by less anyway

[fervent mica]

its the only button most druids press for dps

[tough portal]

Cuz dots buff catweaving druids too

Cant have that

[flint void]

CkGA8cL7tpvige+kkmGM9zUPWPMmZZMjZmxsNz8AMsZsYbGAAAAAAAAAAsZoZbMmmBwsYmZmhhHwAAAAAYADwMgltxCmmZ2GAAz2MbNbzsYhxMzwMzmBNDAmZmZAYA

Smite me oh might smiter, for i have cooked foul
@main timber

[wary belfry]

can they make sunfire cheaper

[main timber]

I am in a key now, can smite later

[hearty coral]

What is a high key for you? There aren't many specific people guides other than the wowhead

[main timber]

I have some sick upgrades for wowhead M+ guide next week

[bright swift]

I swear DoC is not good enough

[wary belfry]

Average healer key, spend half the dungeon in discord chat

[hearty coral]

Icyveins and qelive is all from the same person as the wowhead also they should be plenty to help you for your keys

[flint void]

doesn't dreamgrove.gg work?

[hearty coral]

That too

[wary belfry]

dg just links you to those basically

[tough portal]

Photosynthesis is by far the best healing talent in the spec tree now.

[iron sail]

19/20

[tough portal]

For next week anyways

[boreal karma]

This guy is Trolling

[flint void]

that was explicitly trying to troll with a meme-build

[tough portal]

I was showering

Missed context

[boreal karma]

[flint void]

smite me oh mighty smiter
did not clue you in?

[hearty coral]

https://imgflip.com/i/apjh8x

[flint void]

Actually, i should fork QE live and make a Voidforge usage Finder

where you inject the # of reroll tokens you have and what specific content to use it on for the biggest % upgrade as an extension to Upgrade finder

[main timber]

Im working on similar, the problem is

You cant see what they already rolled

[flint void]

make it user-input?

[main timber]

Probably

[fervent mica]

you'd have to have a block list... eww

[main timber]

User input is awful

[flint void]

yeah...

[fervent mica]

people would use it so wrong

[main timber]

They cant even see this

[quiet wyvern]

never trust user input

you know

you can add user input fields

[hearty coral]

I'm a user

[quiet wyvern]

and just random values instead of accepting that

[hearty coral]

Can confirm not to trust

[flint void]

also @main timber can top gear finder have a % diff compared to equipped somewhere (unless i'm blind and cannot find it)

[main timber]

If it's available in-game and can be added to SimC, then we are in business

[flint void]

i was manually trying to get the difference between spending tokens on NPX vs spending tokens on Crown of the cosmos for the % upgrade, assuming you get the whole droptable of access (8 reroll tokens)

[fervent mica]

that?

[main timber]

They dont mean that

But I am in key and can't answer for a bit

[flint void]

go do your key, than come back and smite me for my meme build, than answer

[thorn plover]

could probably make an addon that tracks all your token drops and gives an import string

[flint void]

hard to do if the user installs it late

[thorn plover]

but youd have to have it from day 1 or user input

yea

[main timber]

They could be readable flags

Just cant say yet

[thorn plover]

yeah its possible

[main timber]

PTR was useless

[flint void]

blizzard has to store that data somewhere on what you've gotten before, when you use tokens. so the flags need to be saved, just pray we might be able to read it

[thorn plover]

just havent seen anything in apis for it

[flint void]

might be that it might be another thing like the:

/run GenericTraitUI_LoadUI()GenericTraitFrame:SetSystemID(29)GenericTraitFrame:SetTreeID(1115)ToggleFrame(GenericTraitFrame)
``` or something

or questflags

[weary void]

In raid if playing photosynthesis with apex talent, should I just keep 2x rejuv and regrowth perma on lifebloom target for photosynthesis?

[thorn plover]

regrowth will be there anyways, but rejuvs yes

[flint void]

why would regrowth be there? unless you say to hardlock your Symbiotic relationship and lifebloom on the same target?

[bright swift]

rampant growth

[thorn plover]

^

[flint void]

oh oops, i thought that was on the symbiotic relationship target, please call me dumb

[bright swift]

dumb

[thorn plover]

what does symb relationship have to do with it

lol

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-cringe-fake-smile-gif-14838421114574087139

[thorn plover]

read your talents people

[weary void]

good point for regrowth, thanks

[flint void]

I promise i read it all

[thorn plover]

did you tho

[flint void]

[thorn plover]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[flint void]

on another topic, have you all seen what the fuck blizzard gives as starter build?

[spring rampart]

heya boiz

what to craft as second item wrist or back ?

[main timber]

I haven't but these are often criminal

[flint void]

https://tenor.com/b0jA6.gif

[thorn plover]

do you have myth haste mastery chest?

[flint void]

it's about as bad as my meme-build

[spring rampart]

my wrist is 266 and my back is 276

[flint void]

meme build for reference

[spring rampart]

nop

[thorn plover]

craft chest

[spring rampart]

ok thanks

[bright swift]

i mean at this point

I wouldn't

[thorn plover]

you should have enough to craft 3 things anyways

[bright swift]

bonus roll nexus point next week

[flint void]

yeah, i woudn't craft myth chest

[thorn plover]

i guess theres that

[flint void]

bonus rolls NPX next week is going to be big

as boomie lootspec

[thorn plover]

definitely not 1st on my list to roll tho

[bright swift]

What else

[thorn plover]

i dont even have trinkets

[flint void]

Chest, catalysed hands, boots, haste/mastery ring, myth haste/mastery staff

[thorn plover]

im rolling chim probably

[flint void]

the other option would be to roll mythic Crown of the cosmos

Chim is just alnseer, and you spend 2 tokens for 1 roll

[spark river]

grats on the offhand

[queen hare]

what is this

[thorn plover]

loot spec feral

duh

[fervent mica]

so you get the agi wep?

[main timber]

Feral is way worse

[flint void]

do not use, it's a meme-build

[bright swift]

you go guardian yeah

[spark river]

guardian only way

[thorn plover]

guardian/feral same thing back in my day

[queen hare]

why is it so bright

[flint void]

no one wanted this for main spec, i think we handed out them for transmog

[thorn plover]

dude turn your gamma down holy f

[flint void]

windows screenshot having troubles with HDR

[queen hare]

[flint void]

See

[fervent mica]

not better <_<

[flint void]

it's darker irl i swear

[thorn plover]

it looks the same

[queen hare]

its so bright...

[flint void]

you should see my discord

[thorn plover]

please dont

[fervent mica]

is it angled way down too? wtf is going on

[thorn plover]

theres a special place for discord light mode users

[queen hare]

light mode...

ts frying me

[flint void]

Face the light mother ducker

[thorn plover]

you disgust me

[idle lake]

with this as the trinket list

[queen hare]

wtf

[flint void]

my Intellij IDE is also lightmode

[idle lake]

why is it preferring crusaders over void suffuser?

[queen hare]

https://tenor.com/view/ts-frying-me-gif-3716183680874971134

[thorn plover]

is your trinket list scaled to 276

[fervent mica]

your gear vs generic

[idle lake]

ahh i see

[idle lake]

no

[fervent mica]

and yeah... thats showing full myth upgraded

[idle lake]

i didnt know u could do that

[thorn plover]

theres a slider at the top

drag it to 276

[idle lake]

ahhh

wow crusaders is way better

lmfao

nevermind :D

[queen hare]

mmhm

[idle lake]

why does the suffuser jump up so high at myth level?

[flint void]

but yeah, point stands, your raid should be swimming in spires right now

ain't no one want agi 2h staves

[thorn plover]

it doesnt, it just jumps higher than trinkets that dont upgrade to myth

[flint void]

what the fuck did you make....

[idle lake]

why does it look so washed out

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[slow pasture]

Guys. How curse is that meme build i cooked

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/druid/restoration/keeper-of-the-grove/EASEBQECVhVVVkRCVQEAQCUQQVVRVUFEhkVVQQADQCBQFFVVVUCUA

[flint void]

at least make something that looks believable, the job of meme-builds is to make them look believable

[thorn plover]

less cursed because atleast its not bright af

[slow pasture]

I can bright you up

[main timber]

No more cursed builds

[fervent mica]

there is definitely nothing bright about that build

[flint void]

if blizz stops giving us purple on purple raids, i will turn the gamma down

[slow pasture]

(It was curse on purpose)

[tough portal]

I'm less appalled by the vertical light mode discord than I am by the right side chat window on wow

Horrifying shit

[slow pasture]

That’s

[tidal lynx]

Alleneve why does your monitor look like that

[flint void]

the last image? that was put into a deepfry algo

anyways, i'm off to go brick a AA 17

about 10x in a row, it's resi

[thorn plover]

Make sure you come back here after and blame the pugs

And ask if Sunfire will fix your build

[flint void]

sunfire won't fix my build, i've only got 2 pugs in here

[tidal lynx]

Sunfire will make me a Druid and not a monk

[flint void]

I was planning to run something bog-standard

[thorn plover]

Can't see, it's all white

[echo token]

is ther a way to check out how good your last dungeon *was?

[tough portal]

Like how well you played?

Or how high it ranks

[haughty ibex]

is this how u actually see ur wow

[flint void]

am back, dps fucked up bird boss

no, i swear it's darker

[still valve]

It’s like a flashbang

[knotty wolf]

Did this get answered?

[knotty wolf]

ah

[flint void]

not too amazing of a talent point TBH, it creates flexibility and the very first convoke gets a 15second cd

power of the dream is also often taken for KOTG

[knotty wolf]

Yeah I think I was also getting confused why I'm seeing 50sec convokes

on loorgs

[flint void]

Power of the dream on KOTG means your convoke becomes slightly flexible

cuz you can cast a convoke at x:00, than at X+1:15, than at X+2:00

NS is practically on cooldown all the time anyways, so it only really affects convoke or incarn tree of life

[knotty wolf]

so control of the dream is running out of combat?

[flint void]

yup, you get 15s CDR at the start of every fight

at least, it should be

[open ferry]

Is it gonna be better to go caster as wild stalker then or will we start playing kotg more cause I actually really enjoy keeper

[flint void]

KOTG is more caster-oriented than WS

[open ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-silly-cat-happy-cat-smile-gif-11748501437476694103

I’m running keeper then

[flint void]

WS has nodes like:

damage and healing while in cat-form increased by 3%
Rip and Ferocious bite deal 5% more damage
Soothe gives you a combo point

meanwhile KOTG has nodes like:

Wrath and starfire damage increased by 10%
every 5 regrowths you get a instantcast wrath at double damage

[pulsar kettle]

ws providing more healing also leads to more opportunity to cast starfire

[grand herald]

we run wildstalker cause the healing is better

[open ferry]

I just wasn’t sure if the extra healing from ws would have been better

Cause I know keeper isn’t bad at healing but ws heals more so

[grand herald]

at the end of the day, we are healers

[flint void]

it should be obvious, WS is a hero-talent shared between Feral/Resto and KOTG is a hero-talent shared between Resto/Balance on what is by blizz design is supposed to be the cat/moonkin hero talent

but you can either with either

During manaforge, a lot of resto druids ran ws because we didn't pickup grove guardians, locking us out of most of kotg. And because the tier set effect was op with ws symbiotic blooms

[fervent mica]

we didn't run ggs because ws was better... if kotg was better we would've run them

[flint void]

But grove gaurdians was reworked to not be absolute awful garbage to play with

[flint void]

I'd rather have rerolled to another healer spec than play with ggs during tww

[fervent mica]

https://tenor.com/view/friday-bye-felicia-gif-23468016

[pulsar kettle]

[flint void]

I still dislike them trees

I am playing druid because my rl said so, simple as. I do as the team needs of me

[open ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/penguins-knife-rico-rico-penguin-rico-penguin-with-knife-gif-5221448709743999609

[slender gust]

All things being equal, is belt, boots, or cloak a better craft for 2nd embellishment slot? Which of those are you less likely to hit a "good" one of out of vault if you're not a mythic raider?

[thorn plover]

I had my ggs macroed to SM and wg all tww (I didn't main druid). Boy was I supposed when blizz built that in for midnight

[thorn plover]

Cloak if you aren't myth raiding

[spark river]

supposed

huh

[flint void]

Saladbar belt ain't bad

[fervent mica]

look at what you're going to use rerolls on

[thorn plover]

I don't think there's a decent m+ cloak

[pulsar kettle]

there isn't

[thorn plover]

There's good bracers, and boe boots

[flint void]

Neither is MC belt

[thorn plover]

Decent belt

[fervent mica]

cata cloak is heavy haste

even if crit, its better than a lot of options

[flint void]

Oh, m+ only, cloak definitely

Crit is a mostly dead stat on resto

And I recommend using rerolls on npx

with boomie lootspec

[fervent mica]

npx drops a cloak... so crafting one feels memey

even with crit being bad, its a lot of haste on the cata

[flint void]

Cloak and the crit/haste ring are the only "bad" drops out of a loot pool of 7

[fervent mica]

qe has cata above this for example, but its close

[thorn plover]

I crafted cloak

[fervent mica]

so i haven't bothered

[thorn plover]

We haven't killed dragons yet and I know I won't get first one or anything. And vault is low chance

So I just sent it

[fervent mica]

cloak was my only vault option one week... so just dealt with it

[flint void]

I crafted 2h - > wrists -> cloak.

We haven't killed dragons yet & holding onto rerolls for crown is going to be too même

[idle lake]

on use trinkets for healing feel so awkward

[fervent mica]

glad i didn't craft wrists... lol

[idle lake]

any advice for 1.30min cd trinkets

[flint void]

My vaults were tier shoulders, cata'd pants and the feather haste trinket from spire

[fervent mica]

also have feather... i hate it

[idle lake]

i had to take a socket 2nd week because i got 4 weapons in vault

[flint void]

That week with trinket was awful, I'm not even using it

[idle lake]

why feather hate

[thorn plover]

I'll purposely use a worse trinket to not have an on use trinket

Lol

[haughty ibex]

atp just macro it to anything

[thorn plover]

Except loomithars. That shits goated

[haughty ibex]

more value like that than not using at all

[idle lake]

i just got the vaelgor one its so good.. but idk when to use it

[fervent mica]

not an on use trinket. that was a healing cd

[flint void]

It was feather, the mainhand from imperator, ring from voracious, 2 more weapons from m+ or the trinket

[thorn plover]

Amazing trinket

It's still good

[flint void]

Loomitars was goated

[idle lake]

i miss loomithars

[thorn plover]

I used loomithars til I was in +12s

[flint void]

Still got my myth track loomi with extra leech in my bank

[idle lake]

aside from just not using them

when should I use on use trinket

[flint void]

That shit rocked on +16s last season

[fervent mica]

with voke ramp... generally

[idle lake]

i see

ive been pressing it after voke

since its mastery

[thorn plover]

Seems so bad, you catch convoke twice a fight

[idle lake]

yeah idk

1.30 cd is just so

not nice

[fervent mica]

you said vealgor's?

[idle lake]

yea

[thorn plover]

Overrated

[idle lake]

healing did feel harder

[flint void]

Gaze of alnseer performs just as well as vaelgor, and it's usable in all offspecs instead of just as boomie

[idle lake]

maybe i shouldve accepted the 850k gold to trade it

i just got so excited to have a raid trinket

[fervent mica]

offspecs aren't real

[thorn plover]

Ya you fucked up

[idle lake]

havent had a drop all season

[idle lake]

well i play balance in raid

dont like healing

so its not completely useless

[thorn plover]

Oh

[flint void]

if anyone offers me more than a full wow token for a trinket, i don't care if it's my bis, i'm taking the money

[idle lake]

i just bought a wow token

like an hour before

so i didnt take the money

[thorn plover]

I sold lfr gaze on Tuesday for 300k

[flint void]

i bought 3 wow tokens to pay off my gambling debt to the guild bank

[thorn plover]

Only reason I still run lfr

[fervent mica]

weren't tokens like 200k?

[flint void]

318K when i bought them

[thorn plover]

I think they're 225 or so rn

[idle lake]

a token right now is 300k

on eu

[thorn plover]

232 na

[fervent mica]

lul

[flint void]

CrossGambling, my cashstack goes from 0 to 3m to 0 faster than you can blink

[idle lake]

i just sold one :D

[thorn plover]

Europoors

[idle lake]

europeak

[fervent mica]

would make more than that spamming crafts in trade for an hour...

[thorn plover]

I'm coasting off selling mythic mounts in prepatch

I got all 3 in one day and sold them all to the same guy

[flint void]

The advantage of having a fulltime job and disposable income is that i can heavy splurge on wow tokens and art when i want

[idle lake]

^

[pulsar kettle]

still gold capped from wod tables

[thorn plover]

Was gonna say, still have wod gold lol

[flint void]

on wow it's wow tokens, in XIV it's buying everything in the mogstation and too much art

i got about 80 comissioned pieces

[tidal lynx]

Dawntrail killed xiv

unfort

[bright swift]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[flint void]

waddayamean, the raids were peak

[bright swift]

yeah raids were insanely good this exp

[tidal lynx]

Large population drop off and dislike for the story. Also expansions launch too far apart now.

[flint void]

just go play wow while you want on xiv raids and go play xiv while you wait on wow-raids

and play osrs when you like number go up

[boreal karma]

anyone knows how fast we get the upgrades from the voidcore on wednesday?

[bright swift]

instantly?

idk

[flint void]

no one knows

[bright swift]

who plays FF just for the story

like what

[thorn plover]

They drop from bosses

[boreal karma]

u sure?

[flint void]

a lot of players play ff for thge story

[fervent mica]

you buy the reroll tokens

[thorn plover]

Who plays FF just for the story

[boreal karma]

yes

[fervent mica]

upgrades we have to do a chain... so who knows if its available week 1 even

[thorn plover]

The reroll tokens you buy ya

Vet crests, marl, something else

[fervent mica]

gold

[formal fjord]

what Purr said, old habits - its been fkn hard to break myself

[thorn plover]

I have like 50k marl

What is it even for

[fervent mica]

cosmetics

mostly

[thorn plover]

Gross

[tidal lynx]

The main selling point for FF has been its story. When dawntrail dropped the ball its flaws were exposed.

It's not just me saying this there is a large hate for dawntrail.

[boreal karma]

whats marl again

[tough portal]

Yall really dont play wow huh

[boreal karma]

ah true

that useless currency

how much do you need for 1 reroll?

[fervent mica]

haven't seen a value

[boreal karma]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-anotado-noted-noted-gato-noted-cat-gif-15232071836705052766

[summer igloo]

bit late, but there's a more detailed guide for this on the vuhdo discord.
basically, go to auras->groups and copy the "Restoration Druid HoTs" group (if you want them in a different order than what that one has, if you're happy with it you can just use that :D)
reorder your icons as you'd like them (the one on top will show up first on your frames)
then go to Panels->Auras, go through your Anchors (The dropdown menu on top) and replace "My HoTs (Combat Auras)" with your edited copy of "Restoration Druid HoTs"
then make sure "Fixed Slots" is checked so the icons don't jump around :D

[fervent mica]

patterns are 1500, epic transmogs are 3k... mounts 8k...

i'm guessing somewhere between transmogs and mounts... so maybe 5k?

[spare sand]

ladies and gentelmen

we got it

[thorn plover]

Champ

[spare sand]

well

my luck

xD

[thorn plover]

I have a warbound champ one with leech if I ever decide to make another character ig

[spare sand]

haste went brr with this ring

holy

[sharp pebble]

is there any macro that can unshift me from bearform when hitting convoke?

[spare sand]

38% unbuffed

daamn

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-stonks-stonk-jam-head-shot-hans-gif-21157324

[thorn plover]

/Cancelaura bear form

[sharp pebble]

tyvm

does it work in M+?

[thorn plover]

Should

Or /cast bear form works too

Since you're already in bear form it takes you out