resto

[sinful summit]

Last time they buffed spell damage like this in DF we got cat buffs shortly after

Hopefully they do so again

[slow pasture]

I want tww catxeaving power back

[dense lantern]

idk imma be real

every patch they release for resto

makes me like the class less and less

[mystic crater]

legion catweaving or bust

[tough portal]

Where's my swarms man

[hardy canopy]

i simply hate trying to cast starfire on a season with a million ground mechanics

[tough portal]

[hardy canopy]

otherwise i wouldn't bother

[tough portal]

Yeah 100% it's abhorrent to play

But I cant lie I'm a damage fiend

And if it's 40% buffed I cant deny playing it

[opaque frost]

With changes wouldn’t it be more beneficial for damage to run keeper ?

[hardy canopy]

kotg is super behind in key healing compared to ws right

[mental belfry]

bro please give me back my swarm mini game

miss those bugs

[dense lantern]

Its not

[drowsy solar]

that's been the entire reason caster dps hasn't been ran in years and I wonder if Blizzard knows that

[tough portal]

It's a good amount behind + maximizing damage makes it even more behind

[dense lantern]

It's behind but not super

[tough portal]

It's less behind than in the past

It's not unplayably bad

[drowsy solar]

In the past I was told its because caster isn't intended from Blizzard. 😄

[thick summit]

https://tenor.com/view/oprah-winfrey-truth-talk-listen-up-listen-to-me-gif-5737893

[dense lantern]

Nah, Im pretty sure that with the current direction

Cat is not intended

[tough portal]

The druid dev definitely hates catweaving

[dense lantern]

Blizzard doesnt like cat

[sinful summit]

in an ideal world both options would be good, with cat being slightly ahead

[viscid zenith]

So we pushing secret tech Chinese heavy starfire damage?

[rustic copper]

M+ ruined

[tough portal]

And doesnt know how to cast Starfire either if they think Caster damage needs a 40% buff lol

[hardy canopy]

i do think 45 sec convoke is appealing despite the healing diff

[drowsy solar]

they must be seeing all the rdruids doing 0 dps in keys

[tough portal]

I'm gonna play KOTG Starfire bug abuse today in a bunch of keys and email the logs to John Blizzard

[gentle nova]

Bring back m+ affixes

And grevious

[bright swift]

fuck m+ affixes

[gentle nova]

Grevious bursting and a new ticking aura one

[drowsy solar]

Please do lol. I've tanked keys were the tree is 0-2k dps when even the most mediocre holy priest is gonna be 20k+ let alone what disc and MW do

[gentle nova]

Fuck healers dpsing

[hardy canopy]

what was that spell that causes druid healing to do damage

[tough portal]

Yeah I'm doing 40k+ with this

[hardy canopy]

bring that back

[tough portal]

It's stupid gettingit buffed

[tough portal]

Yeah bursting was cool tbh

[rustic copper]

Wrong and bald

[tough portal]

It'd be nice to bring back some of them

[hardy canopy]

affixes were not the problem but having weeks you don't wanna push cus the combination was so bad

[rustic copper]

It’s PUSH WEEK

[cedar niche]

I looked at my Log and the Top Log. I have like 30% less Regrowth.
How do I know when and why to Regrowth or do I just do that randomly.

Would look forward to tips.

[summer igloo]

explosive week

[stiff pollen]

can you stack reforestation pre pull?

[hardy canopy]

no

[summer igloo]

tab moonfire tab moonfire tab moonfire

[gentle nova]

That would be so easily fixed by just having every key have a random affix

[weary void]

Is it worth to remove wep embelishment (hunt) and replace it with another arcanoweave lining for a total of two since we can craft again this week? Hunt only gives secondary whilst arcanoweave gives mainstat but not sure about proc rate diffs?

[empty agate]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/report/fwozdtohyaer would it be troll to craft a neck?

(vs back)

[drowsy solar]

I think it's hilarious that Blizzard saw all the data of no one EVER chickenweaving and not understanding why.

[rustic copper]

There’s no shot you’re serious

[molten elk]

How much of a buff is the apex talent change? Enough to actually want to play it in raid?

[gentle nova]

No i mean the keystone before putting it in

[tough portal]

Yeah it's normal wow devs never understand the specs they're changing

[gentle nova]

Not as in you start the key and then its random

[rustic copper]

The rerolling would be unreal

[gentle nova]

And

[lusty jolt]

i know it's off topic, but can you recomend a good discord channel for finding a guild?

[drowsy solar]

you'd think those lines of communication would be open with the healer TCs at least.

[lusty jolt]

guildsofwow seems semi dead and inactive

[rustic copper]

Why add an affix if the entire point is that you don’t do it

[gentle nova]

True

[livid hearth]

satheril soiree and weekly quests arent rly worth right_

[gentle nova]

Ok so just force all healing affixes

🙂

[waxen ingot]

Look at you vod

And see how often do you not click RG when people r low/not max

[gentle nova]

Healing in m+ is too easy and bad designed

[waxen ingot]

That helped me

[waxen ingot]

No Wdym

Clicking every button you have

Off cd

Is hard

[tough portal]

I cant link discord invites but there's Recruitment discords linked in some Wowhead page or in the r/wow sub sidebar too

[gentle nova]

Some bosses require me to do the hps i did when i was 150ilvl

How is that fun

[waxen ingot]

I think they do it

[opaque frost]

Pug with ragnaros. They will stand in bad and give you something to do

[waxen ingot]

Cause wiping to heal issue feels bad

[opaque frost]

I just want a kick back

It sucks watching casts go off

[gentle nova]

This doesnt make sense

Wiping to tank death feels bad

Wiping to slow dps is bad

[fierce isle]

It’s all just renown rep for cosmetics.

[gentle nova]

Wiping to a dps dying oneshoted and no br is bad

[cloud urchin]

Hello guys. not really lucky ... but still chest right? Convert into set and then try to switch set shoulders for non set with Haste mastery... Or am I wrong? Got hero track bloodfeather as chest right now. I already have a myth helmet. Thanks for the help!

[opaque frost]

More bosses need rot damage like floodgate guy

[livid hearth]

ok ty then im ignoring

[gentle nova]

I get why they did it in DF because a healer could not heal the bosses in rlp and it would brick or the nokud dragon

[drowsy solar]

I think Seat has some really fun rot bosses

[gentle nova]

But its no diff than everyone else failing their jobs

[opaque frost]

I agree, seats a fun place to heal

[drowsy solar]

seat my have scaling issues but I haven't hit that yet

[waxen ingot]

My favorite boss to heal was

Dawnbreaker 1st one

Idk that just felt nice

And the bug on the ground

Both were fun

Ngl whole dungeon was nice overall

[opaque frost]

Yeah

[gentle nova]

My fav boss to heal was rlp first boss

And thats fav boss in the history of wow

[waxen ingot]

Whats rlp

[opaque frost]

Ruby life pools

[gentle nova]

It had high rot damage followed by insane burst windows

[torpid wraith]

I feel like I could be doing my ramps better or timing them along with damage windows a lot better. Is it a good idea to look at top logs and see How they are ramping during boss fights?

[rustic copper]

Dogshit

[gentle nova]

The storm dragon trash before nerfs

Was also op

[thorn plover]

i honestly dont understand what theyre trying to achieve with these caster buffs

[plain steeple]

Do you understand the healer tuning?

[thorn plover]

i dont understand anything anymore

this class is broken

[waxen ingot]

Raid dmg

[plain steeple]

If you do a single more damage because of that patch, you play your spec wrong.

[graceful ermine]

This is a feature, not a bug. It's also why the mechanical part of tanking (not routing and grouping, but the actual defensive rotation) is easy

[thorn plover]

dream of cenarius build

[peak charm]

Hello everyone whats the news today?

[waxen ingot]

Im not clicking dmg spells in raid ever

But the buffs are for raid dmg

[gentle nova]

Ok but i understand tanking being easy because they have the other job you mentioned

What does a healer do

Get carried

[graceful ermine]

Most of the mechanics that don't call out a specific player

[frozen prairie]

Dmg buffs

[gentle nova]

Thats not a healer specific job

[waxen ingot]

If you are playing good nothing changes

[graceful ermine]

It is in practice

[peak charm]

@gentle nova Did voulk get back to you WS vs KOTG?

[graceful ermine]

Any mechanic that does not target a specific player might as well target the healer

except it's easier for low keys/pugs if anyone can do it because sometimes healers are dumb dumbs

[olive urchin]

i have Disc priest and Mist in raid... I don't have a chance to do any HPS. xDD

[gentle nova]

No but ws is/will gonna be better

[thorn plover]

both just got nerfed, youll be fine

[grizzled seal]

that's a skill issue

[peak charm]

I spy a troll

[olive urchin]

nah 😄

[grizzled seal]

link logs

[waxen ingot]

Is that how you get a honest log review

[calm dirge]

I have a feeling it is indeed a skill issue, even if it might sound rude

[waxen ingot]

You just rage bait

[cedar niche]

The Thing is. I play with a 1 or 2 Evoker and a Dizi or a Monk and they all press. so my Regrowth feels so little.

[spare sand]

with dps buffs are we switching to owlweaving?

[gentle nova]

You can keep up

Just not playing correctly

[cedar niche]

Can I if they do Rank #2 #4 lately

I think I am just rusty

[gentle nova]

You can and you are the reason they are parsing that high in the first place

You let them

[cedar niche]

Analyzer says I have like 95% Uptime and 93% Healing Up time.
with only a few yellow things. Don't know.

[gentle nova]

Link a log

[thorn plover]

uptime doesnt mean correct buttons or timing

[tough portal]

[round hull]

Hey guys quick question, when in my+ sometimes my rejuv out heals my regrowth in the log

is that not okay?

[thorn plover]

just means your group took no damage

did everyone live?

[round hull]

no deaths it was a 15 seat my most recent

[thorn plover]

then thats fine

[cedar niche]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Vv9aBA82kz4MFTrh?fight=10&type=healing&source=11

I stopped Restro like 10 years ago onyl recently started.

I take any tips, ty

[thorn plover]

on easy keys it happens

[dense lantern]

I will miss telling leafs that cat dps is not hard

[craggy blaze]

i think this is a socket vault right? I have a crafted weapon

[round hull]

thanks for the feedback purr

[gleaming marsh]

A question for L'uura boss fight : do the Light siphons in phase 3 have to be soaked by the crystal players or just equally spread raid groups into them?

[bright swift]

punished for doing 0 raiding

[round hull]

I apperciate it

[craggy blaze]

kill me lol

[bright swift]

lmao that's crazy

[torpid wraith]

When should I use feather trinket? before or after ramp? in a raid scenario

[craggy blaze]

https://klipy.com/gifs/laugh-right-3

[bold beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/boomkin-dancing-bird-weird-gif-16499522

Owl weave back on menu?

[craggy blaze]

worth taking any of those and holding for another myth piece?

[bright swift]

is that 2nd m+ vault also a weapon?

[craggy blaze]

yup lol

cri/haste fist

[bright swift]

insane

[craggy blaze]

5 1 handers

2hero 3 mythic

[rustic copper]

@wicked forum what are your thoughts on the recent healer tuning?

[thorn plover]

more regrowth, but really you guys just need to drop a healer here

not a super good fight to check

[cedar niche]

Yeah, I feel like we have a bit to much healers every fight. so can't even do much but yeah

and Regworth don't know when there is a good time

because get snipped

[thorn plover]

make sure youre spreading your regrowth

just spam it

[peak charm]

How u feel about it?

[thorn plover]

you can easily have 2:1 regrowth:rejuv on that fight

and not have mana issues

[normal swift]

So do we know roughly how big of a healing increase the new apex talent rework will be? Will it be worth taking it finally or will we still build a spec without it?

[last ivy]

Hey everyone, i'm having trouble picking my trincket combo. I dont think the simm is accurate. Can someone give me some pointers if i link my QE sim?

[quartz maple]

So assuming Face2Face isn't going to be successful at talking Blizz out of the changes next week, are we going KOTG because the damage is just that good? Or will we WS and just hit SF when we can

[thorn plover]

you are heavily favoring 7 people with youre regrowths

which is bad for NB

[torpid wraith]

When looking at personal logs what should I look for to see what I can be improving on?

[plain steeple]

sunfire is whack. You dont press it.

[dense lantern]

stacks

[thorn plover]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes/

[tough portal]

Should prob stay WS, you dont need KOTG necessarily

[quartz maple]

Starfire

[cedar niche]

so more spread

[quartz maple]

Not sunfire

[cedar niche]

alright

[tough portal]

Well

Especially if you dont wannap lay around Blooming Infusion abuse

[rustic copper]

I don’t do keys

[gentle nova]

Press more rg

[gentle nova]

40 is crazy

[last ivy]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/report/zyqqlnuckvho Can someone help me with the best trinckets combos? for raid and m+ pls

[torpid wraith]

ty

[naive chasm]

I finally got haste/mastery ring in MT

and on the same run I got the hawkstrider mount

no more MT thank god, I enjoy the dungeon but it is a longer one

[terse ravine]

is the main and off hand on wow head accurate for bis?

[bold beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/moonkin-moonfire-balance-druid-world-of-warcraft-gif-15267146

[drowsy solar]

KotG should've been a nature themed build with insect swarm and big wrath buffs.

[quartz maple]

How are you guys getting 40% haste? I am 280 in all BIS gear except chest and only have 34%

[plain steeple]

I had 37% with 260 ilvl

[silk ice]

Haven’t seen insect swarm’s icon in years

[drowsy solar]

hero trees were a perfect time to bring it back, but nooo, had to get green farts.

[quartz maple]

Unbuffed?

[plain steeple]

Maybe the BiS isn’t real BiS.

[plain steeple]

No with flask.

Otherwise what buffs?

[gentle nova]

How are you bis gear lmao

No one in the world is bis gear

[naive chasm]

honestly hero talents are just a total miss for me

[quartz maple]

I don't mean all bis gear - I mean all haste/mastery

And not mythic

[naive chasm]

it's like they designed them with only hunters in mind and then realised most of the other classes don't really have such cool and iconic archetypes

[silk ice]

They’re trying to trim how many buttons each class has, make it friendly for the console port

[naive chasm]

or if they do they only have 1 or 2 not 3

[plain steeple]

Sounds like you play big mastery and small haste on your miscellaneous items.

[drowsy solar]

I like a lot of them, but some are just theme flops

[naive chasm]

rogue and priest are duds

[drowsy solar]

I've long raged about the rogue trees

[naive chasm]

wildstalker is also just random

[drowsy solar]

How dare they make a tree about the undead plague and not make it neon green?

[quartz maple]

Not really. I even have the heroic very rare neck with 230 haste and 44 mastery

[pulsar kettle]

full bis with heroic neck?

crazy

[naive chasm]

they just realised they had to come up with a hero tree for resto and feral and that's all they could do really

[quartz maple]

Guys, I said I am 280. Not full bis - talking slots filled with haste/mastery from either m+ or raid. you guys are saying you have 43 and 44% haste and I don't see how that's possible.

[dim lava]

thats easy

[quartz maple]

If I don't have the bis raid item, i have the bis m+ item. So let's reset the conversation. Would love to see an armory of someone with 44% haste without buffs.

[dim lava]

resto gets 8% from the form right?

talent

[rustic copper]

Lycara buff, l’ura ring, it’s possible

[last ivy]

It's possible, the problem is ppl with lower ilvl are reporting high levels of haste and mastery

thats the odd part

[gentle nova]

?

I could have more

[plain steeple]

Armory doesn’t account for our biggest bonus. Nobody looks their stats up on the armory.

[quartz maple]

Not looking for stats. Trying to find gear.

What biggest bonus are you talking about

[gentle nova]

Lycara

[plain steeple]

Lycara / flask

But mainly lycara

[rustic copper]

Noob trinkets

[pulsar kettle]

haste trinket

poggers

[rustic copper]

Do more splits buddy

[gentle nova]

Ribbon wearers ddddxx

[pulsar kettle]

why is my 0 raid gear druid higher ilvl than mattiu?

bruthr

[gentle nova]

I dont get gear from mythic

[plain steeple]

Why do I still have ilvl 250 pants?

[last ivy]

can you guys help me choose my best trincket combo pls? https://questionablyepic.com/live/report/zyqqlnuckvho

[gentle nova]

Vault??

[quartz maple]

I have 38% with flask and lycara. What is that chest piece?

[slow pasture]

Crafr

[pulsar kettle]

crafted

[quartz maple]

I do have a ribbon because of the hps

[gentle nova]

Heart and gaze

[boreal crest]

They swapped a lot of dispellable debuffs to private auras.

Is there any addons that more easily display when such a debuff is present on a player in your party?

Or does hidden prevent it from showing it up in unit frames?

[last ivy]

for both raid and m+?

[gentle nova]

Yup

[quartz maple]

Mattiu what is your haste # to get to that 43%

[last ivy]

thanks

[gentle nova]

1367 haste

[boreal crest]

Just curious

[quartz maple]

I'm at 1329 and only 38%

With flask

[gentle nova]

Thats non flasked

[quartz maple]

Will 38 pts get me 5%?

[gentle nova]

And ne is 1% more

[slow pasture]

Mattiu has a dev buff

[gentle nova]

So my haste would be 1367 + whatever flask gives

[rustic copper]

Did you put points in your lycara talent

[boreal crest]

I’ll check it out

[dapper minnow]

why are people asking about apex changes? There is a post saying they are changeing those talents?

[gentle nova]

Yes

[dapper minnow]

or is it just in refereance to the raid builds that don't take them?

[dapper minnow]

can you tell me where it is? A blue post?

[bright swift]

pins

[dapper minnow]

oh i found it, thanks

burried way down in a blue post...

[unkempt root]

So on the Apex talent change how will going from 5 blooms to 3 be a buff? I understand the splash on blooms is increasing from 30% to 50% but for the primary target this seems like a fairly significant nerf.

[drifting timber]

is this just sending out Rejuv's until max abundance stacks and then RG's? I did a heroic chim. (pug mind you and it was a long ass kill 8min), but was pretty oom around 6.5-7min. That's manageable for just only sending RG's with max abundance stacks you think?

[gentle nova]

Rn it hits 2 players

Now it will hit 6

[unkempt root]

Ok so in large groups its a buff but for solo or 2v2 arena its a nerf. got it

[gentle nova]

Poor pvpers

[plain steeple]

WHO cares about PvP

LOL

[tough portal]

It's not a nerf in pvp either

Gimme a sec and I'll post something in #pvp

[quartz maple]

Anyone have a raider.io of 43%+ haste without flask they can share? Trying to figure out what I've done wrong. 🙂

I'm 9% short

At 280

[plain steeple]

Stop ragebaiting man

Maybe share your armory if you need help.

Or a log

Or stop sitting in catform

[quartz maple]

Me? How on earth am I ragebaiting? I want to look at someone's gear that has WAY higher haste than I do to try to figure out what I've missed.

[proven phoenix]

they have the lura neck or the alleria neck

stop thinking about stats like this

[analog sentinel]

I wonder what the gap between cat weaving and non will be now

[grizzled seal]

I have lura ring and alleria neck

[silk ice]

Non cat already does more dps apparently

[unkempt root]

Apprecite it!

[hardy canopy]

you only hotw in cat post-buff

[analog sentinel]

Praise it, I still miss hurricane, gimme a channeled aoe dmg spell that snares, and ty for the responses

[grizzled seal]

dude you have a crit/mastery chest and a low haste ring

ofc your haste is gonna be lower than others

[silk ice]

With all the people coming in and complaining about catweaving, I’m not surprised they just wanted everyone to be a caster

[pastel dragon]

wowhead recommends implant for M+ now ?

[quartz maple]

I am 330 behind you

[pastel dragon]

or did i just miss that previously?

[quartz maple]

Do those 2 pieces do that

[grizzled seal]

you tell me

[spark river]

Yeah just ramp and spam rg until 6 abundance

and repeat

[grizzled seal]

always did

[pastel dragon]

oh guess i never noticed xD

[hardy canopy]

implant was always better

[drifting timber]

Save WG for like big inc dmg vs. on cd?

[quartz maple]

Thank you torty.

[spark river]

Depends how is my mana looking, but mostly on cd

[drifting timber]

k

[grave valve]

Yoo now I don’t have to feel bad for not cat weaving ?

[pulsar kettle]

[plain steeple]

You still have to feel bad.

[analog sentinel]

What about bear weaving with the Lego shoulders and cloak, good times

[light swan]

Rise of the restochicken .... woot

[desert pilot]

Hello, i'm not sure about what I should pick in my vault. I crafted staff but I have a myth weap(not bis) / OH weap(not bis) / mythic part chest in my vault. Is it better to go with weapon for the extra ilvl (and craft other parts) even though they are not bis ?

[round hull]

get the chest brother dont recraft something for 4 extra ilevel

[silk ice]

According to resident dps master facetoface, the caster playstyle already did 70-100% more damage than catweaving in dungeons, before the buffs. You should feel bad for catweaving

[desert pilot]

even if chest is crit and is not a good stat ?

[round hull]

You will get a extra 13 ilevel out of the chest.

[clear oracle]

So we get a DPS upgrade to moonkin and we just ignore that our feral damage is also in the gutter? Do they actually expect people to cast starfire in moonkin form?

[tough portal]

Apparently, yes

[clear oracle]

Catweaving has really good prio damage though. Also does this account for staying in chicken form the entire time?

[tough portal]

They think catweaving is competitive doing 20k vs MW's 70k

[tough portal]

Chicken form is irrelevant for damage other than HOTW and Convoke casts

Chicken Convoke is worse than Starfire spam in AOE tho so that's also irrelevant

With a 40% buff, catweaving wont be better single target / prio damage anymore either

[pastel dragon]

dang thats wild, blizz just woke up and chose to hate cats i guess?

[clear oracle]

10% spell damage kinda seems relevant to me? Or am I missing something?

[grizzled seal]

You are losing 6% haste though

[rustic copper]

It costs a gcd and bricks your lycara bonus

[west topaz]

we kill more felines in raid than we ever killed dogs, dog company confirmed

[woven mango]

Any looks at what thr talent tree will look like with takin apex on Tuesday

[verbal turtle]

I see logs topping out at 50k

[tough portal]

Lycara shifts from Haste to Mastery, losing damage, and you could also take +4% magic damage in no-form

[pastel dragon]

wait thats hilarious how bad casting in moonkin is then with everything built to just cast outside of it

[tough portal]

Well they gave it 10% spell damage for a reason

To make up for this

It isnt a loss to be in moonkin form

Just not a gain either

[silk ice]

Don’t think healer damage is significant enough to matter for most keys

[fleet cape]

hey guys, what would you take? for info i have hc head, champion omission ring and crafted max level weapon

[tough portal]

I will end you

[fleet cape]

sim says ring

[foggy trellis]

Hey guys, in raid should I focus swiftmend on cd to get reforestation procs even if no real healing required, or just swiftmend/proc reforestation when required

[clear oracle]

Of course not. But if you look at the 21s the chinese are timing they have literally no time left. If Monk falls out of favor we may be toast in the highest keys

[tough portal]

Great bro fun talk nitpick that MWs dont pick full damage talents for the top keys

Neither does resto druid lol

[silk ice]

If healer dps mattered that much, they would be playing the lower hps but higher dps kotg build face described in his great post you should support

Healers heal

[tough portal]

Those arent connected statements

I will fight you you can even take away your upvote on my post

[drifting timber]

whast the spell that gives us mana back on wrath?

[silk ice]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-love-good-morning-gif-13168562828658220280

[tough portal]

[verbal turtle]

They very nearly are. DoCJ and Jadefire stomp

20k damage off from true numbers though is a huge hyperbole

[graceful ermine]

Rise chicken rise

[tough portal]

17 pit

[graceful ermine]

Finally we are unshackled from the curse of melee

[clear oracle]

That is a nice sentiment but if two healers can do the same job but one does 30k DPS more than the other there is no reason to not bring the one with more damage unless they bring the same buff as the tank

[hardy canopy]

healing starts being a problem at this key level too and extra ilvl is coming soon

[slow pasture]

Can’t wait to cancel cast

[hardy canopy]

their healing got a small nerf and mw already struggles to heal bosses

[graceful ermine]

lowk mistweaver SHOULD do the most healer damage by a lot

That's sort of the entire design of that spec

[fierce isle]

Pfft

[tough portal]

What about disc?

[clear oracle]

Of course. That is why it is only relevant if MW can be as good a healer as druid

[graceful ermine]

Okay maybe there's an argument for disc

[tough portal]

I mean why should any healer automatically do the most damage based on design?

[hardy canopy]

you also lowkey need motw if you're doing highest keys

[silk ice]

They can’t tho, rdruids do way more hps than mw in keys

[tough portal]

There is also a distinction between the practical damage and the damage potential, it's impossible to balance for every player level but should a Mistweaver doing max healing outdamage any other healer in full uptime damage with 0 healing requirement?

[rustic copper]

Make rdruid bad in keys again

[tough portal]

Sounds bogus to me

[clear oracle]

Sure but HPS is not the deciding factor. That is can you keep your team alive ornot

[graceful ermine]

Well okay that I agree with. Pressing SCK for 90% of a key is definitely not good design

[rustic copper]

We haven’t even been buffed yet and the chat is full of 0 dmg doer chicken weavers

[slow pasture]

S1 tww was fun

[mental belfry]

Time to spicy chicken cleave my m+ runs

[pastel dragon]

brb buying a chicken costume

[hardy canopy]

mistweaver needs a dmg nerf ye

and disc's damage is over already cus they're moving to shield build

[graceful ermine]

I mean I still think their damage should be the highest, but they shouldn't get all of their healing and damage from one button

[slow pasture]

We were dooming all day. It was healthy

[mental belfry]

every other healer needs a dps buff to MW

[tough portal]

Yeah I would rather buff all healers to what MW can do in M+

[mental belfry]

healers should heal babies ruined my rakes

[tough portal]

Than nerf MW

Well... I think MW needs a rebalance internally

Not resulting numbers just the SCK thing

[hardy canopy]

not with how mw works currently

spin to win is not fair

after a rework yea let it do big dmg but no meaningful healing if they're focusing on it

[graceful ermine]

Yeah don't get me wrong, mistweaver is in a super cooked state design-wise. I just don't necessarily see a problem with its numbers

it's where those numbers are coming from that is the issue

[tough portal]

But those are the same thing

[graceful ermine]

Not really? You can design it such that SCK isn't both 90% of their damage and healing at the same time

[tough portal]

If you have an issue with SCK healing for 200k HPS in the most dangerous pulls, then you dont want MWs doing 150k DPS in those pulls lol

[graceful ermine]

and still have mistweavers doing the same overall

[tough portal]

Cuz nerfing the healing from it inherently nerfs the damage MWs do via needing to press other buttons

[graceful ermine]

Sure but you could imagine making both their individual healing and damage buttons more impactful

[hardy canopy]

you just nerf dmg and buff atotm and wotc

[graceful ermine]

such that you end up with the same overall

but the spec is more interesting to play

[hardy canopy]

if they keep the playstyle

same tuning knob as disc but atonement

[graceful ermine]

Like right now 9/10 globals is SCK. Imagine if instead half their globals were RSK and half were vivify. But the numbers came out the same overall

[tough portal]

That makes it a major buff to key levels where SCK COULD still heal through all the damage

[graceful ermine]

just as a toy, simplified example

[tough portal]

So how do you balance that?

Should it keep the same DPS overall at a +20 or at a +14?

[silk ice]

If damage was such a big deal, and hps didn’t matter, we’d see more guardian/mw in the higher keys, no?

[graceful ermine]

It's fine if mistweaver pops off hard on lowkeys would be my answer

maybe not everyone likes that

[verbal turtle]

And restos do 43.7k in a 17 pit but at current top keys MWs aren't doing that kind of damage

[graceful ermine]

But yeah you could also give other healers some "full uptime" buffs to compensate. As another thought experiment/example imagine if they just giga buffed shred/swipe. So if you can spam shred your single target is nutty, but you'd never do that on a real key

[drifting timber]

What’s the spell that gives us mana back on wrath?

[silk ice]

Master shapeshifter, bottom leftish of spec tree

[graceful ermine]

it's a pretty good comparison because you could imagine the numbers such that if a key were easy enough to heal through pure SCK spam, it would also be easy enough to heal through just rejuv/wildgrowth ticking

and you would spend a billion globals pressing cat buttons

but would be totally unrealistic in real key levels

[tough portal]

No bro you're just making logic leaps with it
Mistweaver usage is rising, fwiw. It's played a lot despite losing MOTW buff.
But going from "overflowing HPS isnt relevant as long as you can heal enough" to "HPS doesnt matter only damage" is an enormous jump.
This also has absolutely nothing to do with guardian vs brew

[tough portal]

Not catweaving is it

[silk ice]

Does mw the same healing as rdruid even in single target without sck

[drifting timber]

Ty

[hardy canopy]

don't use pit as an example cus there's zero healing checks there

[tough portal]

There is no benefit to doing "the same HPS as rdruid"

They can heal bosses fine so far, yes

[graceful ermine]

Yeah it doesn't really matter if rdruid theoretically gaps mistweaver in single target healing, as long as mistweavers single target is enough healing

[tough portal]

For instance

[graceful ermine]

If there were a key level where mistweaver single target healing were not enough, then yeah rdruid or some other healer would be played at that level. But that doesn't appear to be the case anywhere

[hasty raptor]

So buffs relevant or nah

[tough portal]

On 3rd boss, only 3.3 SCK casts per minute

[grizzled seal]

Trying to balance for degenerate levels of m+ is like trying to balance for rwf

You will always fail

[tough portal]

Sheilun's Gift #1 cast spell

[silk ice]

In this instance, could the rdruid cut their healing more and go moonkin build to blast more dps

[tough portal]

Ofc not

[torn thunder]

wait owlweaving a thing in keys again?

[grizzled seal]

You aren't gonna actually go moonkin form

But they buffed caster spells by a lot

[graceful ermine]

Blizzard has declared in the latest patch notes that we are all sent to the chicken mines. Get your starfire key ready friends

[fickle garden]

Are we boomkin now

[silk ice]

So you can’t sacrifice hps for dps

Damn

[tough portal]

You're the only one talking about "sacrificing HPS" bro

Nobody's playing Hpala and using every HP on SOTR either

[opal radish]

You've probably selected by now but my logic would be: you can get any mythic helm and catalyze it, but you can only get that one ring. So ring is much harder to get, probably better to take it now.

[round hull]

For raid healing, which should i pick convoke or TOL?

[silk ice]

So hps is important. Healers heal unite

[tough portal]

I wont be ragebaited tonight

Tonight I will play Pokopia

[silk ice]

[tough portal]

Cheers to it

[grizzled seal]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[hardy canopy]

[silk ice]

How far in are you to it

[graceful ermine]

What if overhealing tanks made them do more damage relative to the amount you overhealed them

[silk ice]

I’m at 265/300

[tough portal]

I just bought it yesterday havent even started

[grizzled seal]

Sounds like a Zimbita idea

[verbal turtle]

And the mistweaver isnt using jadefire teachings

[marsh inlet]

Hey Just checked the notes from 12.0.5 for resto Druids. Possible Smite build incoming?

[waxen ingot]

what if they just buff dmg

[light swan]

They need to combine moonkin form with starsurge in the class tree. Gimme thst chicken form

[silk ice]

Naww you’re going to have a blast

[tough portal]

What do you think this has to do with what I said?

[graceful ermine]

I want the full valeria tank experience in my m+

[fickle garden]

As a hpal main this is correct, except in keys we spam sotr a lot

[graceful ermine]

can we just recruit valeria instead of a player

[waxen ingot]

No

well yes

but

that dmg is useless

and meaningless

[verbal turtle]

Because it's the same as not cat weaving for mw

[grizzled seal]

Imagine trying to heal with wraths

[tough portal]

I'm not saying resto druid cant do more damage than catweaving mate, my entire feedback post is about how KOTG Caster ALREADY does a lot more damage than catweaving and the buff is kinda bogus.

The entire conversation was about Catweaving not being up to par

You're fighting ghosts rn

[verbal turtle]

And you used made up MW numbers for that conversation

[tough portal]

Not at all? Ancient teachings vs not doesnt change anything about how you dela damage lol

[silk ice]

New DoC rework: basically atonement but for targets with wg or rejuv

[tough portal]

Just how you heal

[light swan]

We had something like that a long time ago.... I remember it on M Immersius

[verbal turtle]

I meant jadefire teachings

[grizzled seal]

What

[steady saffron]

New version of nature's vigil

[woven mango]

Hows everyone doing today

[tidal lynx]

How much more "viable" will caster resto be now?

[torn thunder]

isn't Jb playing caster resto?

[grizzled seal]

Immersius as in the first boss in a 99 boss raid?

[gentle nova]

Ty

[grizzled seal]

Bro I love when people come into public discords 6 hours after patch notes and post them

[graceful ermine]

It's already a lot higher dps, and it's going to gain like 40% or something. See: Face's post on the blizz forum linked above

[tidal lynx]

idk who jb is

[light swan]

Yep way back machine

[silk ice]

I’m curious, with the buffs, will WS caster do more dps than catweaving WS?

[tidal lynx]

Thats what I wanted to know.

[torn thunder]

no seems like he is back to catweaving

[silk ice]

No cringe talents

[tough portal]

Right, so my message that you replied to was about how CATWEAVING is not competitive with Mistweaver damage.
I said 70k because I have seen 70k. I said 20k because I do 20k. Idgaf what tuning is like for +20s mate.

[silk ice]

Just the usual

[woven mango]

oh ok good i was worried

[gentle nova]

Totally not what the 300 messages the last 2 hours have been about

[woven mango]

Its too much to read i need a pinned tldr

[stable iron]

Is there a way to sim what order I should upgrade my gear in? Struggling to decide what to get to 6/6 first on this screen

[graceful ermine]

You guys are crazy if you expect people to read a long messy backlog to avoid repeating news

[grizzled seal]

Ok but you don't need to repost patch notes

[thorn plover]

These character screens give me eye cancer

[grizzled seal]

That's all I am asking

[woven mango]

fair nuff

[grizzled seal]

We don't need that shit posted every 30 mins

[woven mango]

every 31min ok?

[tough portal]

No particular resource for it ig, just upgrade bigger slots first / slots you wont craft over to avoid waste of crests for instance.

[grizzled seal]

At this point you should upgrade all hero track items

If you didn't do some cringe shit and wasted crests

[stable iron]

https://tenor.com/view/sailor-moon-cringe-usagi-serena-anime-gif-3526657651583984193

[fierce isle]

Or get super unlucky on vaults and not get any myth raid gear 😕

[grizzled seal]

My monk managed to get the achievement and I had zero raid loot

[stable iron]

So my gut reaction is:
Gaze, then Shoulders, then trinkets/rings? Or am I dumb

[thorn plover]

I need 60 hero crests and I'm done

[tough portal]

Same I just need 60 more.

[gentle nova]

So you are cringe

[fierce isle]

Hmm. I haven’t misspent any crests and I’ve gotten two vault sockets and I’m 4 upgrades from the achieve.

[thorn plover]

Yes

[thorn plover]

4 slots or 80 crests?

[fierce isle]

80 crests

[grizzled seal]

Idk how your vaults need to look like as a non raider to pick sockets

[fierce isle]

Crit rings and crit weapons all day bro

[light swan]

Or a bunch of belts

[fierce isle]

Rolled guardian this week after getting crap healer trinkets last week and I got two tank trinkets and a tank weapon in my 5 myth vault slots. Think my other items were a crit heavy chest and a crit heavy cloak

[dapper minnow]

I need 20 more next week. And have not gotten any raid loot.

[light swan]

Soooo much crit gear this season. Me and my Dev DH buddies are sad

[dapper minnow]

was hoping the house quest was uncapped crests. 🙁

[fierce isle]

Worst vault rng I’ve seen since the vaults have been a thing on my Druid.

[light swan]

Its not?

[fierce isle]

I’ve literally gotten 1 good item out of 12 myth vault slots over 3 weeks

[light swan]

My vault last week would have been fubar if it wasnt for the myth track Heart of Wind.

[fierce isle]

Last week my last M+ slot had myth legs to catalyze. Only good item I’ve gotten

[light swan]

I saw that and I knew it was going to stick with me until S2.

Never enough haste

[hexed locust]

if we will play chicken in m+, will it also be Keeper ?

[urban bone]

If you play a keeper, you are a chicken

[thorn plover]

Only if you prioritize DPS over healing

[spark river]

rank 2 chinese guy on averzian got 4 pis

lmao

[hardy canopy]

r u talking about a healer

[spark river]

yeh

resto druid

[hardy canopy]

💀

[spark river]

Id just like to point out that my log has glorious crusader keepsake

Which is more impressive than others

[gentle nova]

are you implying than a trinket is more than a 2% difference

[hardy canopy]

depends on the trinket

you can't compare a full stacked ribbon convoke with a keepsake proc

[tough portal]

With these buffs, caster damage is definitely better than cat regardless of hero talents. KOTG vs WS stays being a healing difference, but KOTG could be a damage pick.

[spark river]

Im jus trolling but respect for taking my side lol

[hardy canopy]

i'm just pointing out that it can be higher than 2%

[proven phoenix]

does kotg have the dream burst or w/e that balance gets

[hardy canopy]

but yea doesnt matter

[proven phoenix]

as resto

[gentle nova]

no

[spark river]

Thats from treant

So that would be a no

alright but if we sort by wildstalker

thats where the real gamers are

[gentle nova]

no it cant

[spark river]

alright

didnt need to bring forth

the mathematical proof

i was happy living in the delusion

[simple mauve]

what're y'all third crafting? boots?

[bright swift]

nothing

[west topaz]

my dignity

[bright swift]

don't have crests

[simple mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-cooper-andrew-dance-cooper-dance-feeling-dance-dance-gif-4719076827571292026

[spark river]

jesus man

282 is crazy

another keepsake enjoyer

clearly the mark of the goated players

[bright swift]

Just don't have anything else

[simple mauve]

where are the normal rdruids with shitty loot luck? what are we third crafting =_=

[bright swift]

Wish I had Alleria..

[gentle nova]

riong

[tough portal]

Depends on your raiding status

If you just M+, craft neck

[obsidian pivot]

I did neck

[rustic copper]

I dont know why gaze is rated so low

I’m ngl

[gentle nova]

yeah gaze is insane

[spark river]

heart of wind is a better trinket than gaze

[graceful ermine]

I did neck as well. 2h -> boots -> neck

[spark river]

i fully trust the sims

[bright swift]

Wish I had Alleria trinket for Lura

[rustic copper]

I have both mythic

[gentle nova]

how is how better than the suffuser

[rustic copper]

They wrote a larger number on it is my guess

[gentle nova]

perma haste is good

[rustic copper]

How procs a lot

[bright swift]

suffuser has crazy uptime too

[gentle nova]

so does this

[thorn plover]

I love my myth suffuser

[gentle nova]

3 stacks is crazy

[bright swift]

lol

[bronze meadow]

I have 1k haste and 1.2k mastery, only 37 vers, should I be drinking vers flasks?

[bright swift]

that's not even that much

[rustic copper]

lol

[thorn plover]

No

[half pine]

Anyone know why all the top china m+ers are only using 31-34 points right side talents?

[spark river]

i hit first dr on haste with neck craft today

[bright swift]

:3

[gentle nova]

wtf i low rolled

[bronze meadow]

so haste or mastery then?

[gentle nova]

skill isue

[bright swift]

no proc for 45 sec

lol

[gentle nova]

i would

if i had to choose use alleria and suffuser tbh

[bright swift]

yeah idk

Alnseer better surely

[spark river]

how 0.84 % upgrade, gaze 0.7%

make it make sense

both myth

[pulsar hill]

How do ya'll sim healing btw?

[spark river]

qelive

[crude nebula]

Are we casters now?

[fierce isle]

We’ve always been casters. We have spells

[crude nebula]

:p

I’m interested to see how well caster dps holds up against catweaving

I assume it’ll be pretty good

[wicked jasper]

hey, having a rough time in vault this week. i assume this trinket is absolute dogwater?

[spark river]

yep

[wicked jasper]

i can see it having some benefits in raid, but i dont raid too much lol.

[hardy canopy]

it's also hard to see the soul on the ground

[ivory glen]

I refuse to use any trinket that makes you play a little mini game unless it’s turbo broken

[spark river]

only way im playing mini game is if it doubles my haste

[wicked jasper]

oh, im talking about the echo of luna trinket, the vessel one i have equipped already in lack of better options

[hardy canopy]

trinket auras being secret is annoying, esp. with that one existing

[wicked jasper]

(i dont play the minigame at all)

[thick summit]

Load outs are bugged for apex talents I believe. Just copy their build and put in apex talents manually

[severe shoal]

any1 with 90+ mythic logs got mythic vods i can watch?

[vapid lance]

With the changes for damage spells in keys will catweaving still be stronger the Boomie weaving ?

[fierce isle]

Farm Windrunner baby

[hardy canopy]

no

[severe shoal]

oh thank god i hate catweaving

[wicked jasper]

i'm at 56 runs, seen it drop twice

[severe shoal]

same im resigning myself to never getting it;(

same with light ring

[wicked jasper]

i got it on priest in my first run

the despair is real

[fierce isle]

Have faith my child

The dopamine will rise

[waxen ingot]

Yes

If you want to do important dmg

[ivory glen]

god forbid i try to AoE in the AoE game mode

[waxen ingot]

I mean do it

But that doesnt make druid stronger 1%

And you wont save any time in the key

But ig it looks better on details

[hasty flume]

@tough portal you plan to stream any keys at all?

[tough portal]

No shot I'm pvp and pokemon main now

[grand herald]

I have some vods but i play like shit :^)

[pastel dragon]

just ran a 16 Seat trying out magic damage over cat weaving, i hated it

[grand herald]

Melee haters really be wanting to stand still and cast for 2 seconds over just being in melee

[severe shoal]

yes

i do

[grand herald]

Bro incap roars a single archer

[vapid lance]

I hope so kitty weaving is so fun

[fierce isle]

Want to be in melee anyways for efflo

[vapid lance]

Yea that too

[pastel dragon]

might be a dumb question bvut does astral influence also increase range of cat attacks like shred/rake?

[vapid lance]

That sounds wildly overpowered I don’t think so

[pastel dragon]

yah i guess thatd be silly

[pulsar kettle]

it does not

[vague nova]

What neck embelishment should i use? Got myth weapon so only have 1 embelishment and waist/boots/cloak are alr myth track

So its either neck or wrist craft

[lofty badger]

ooo Are hpals back now

[proven phoenix]

they might be

but lowkey hpal wasnt even that in the dirt before

it was bad but not so bad that it was unplayable

[cerulean stratus]

big mw and disc nerfs

[bright swift]

yeah we probably bench our 2nd rerolled disc for Lura

and get our hpala back

[pastel dragon]

where do you guys see these latest notes on wowhead?

[bright swift]

?

[pastel dragon]

ahh ok thanks

and if im looking at the talent calculator for PTR 12.0.5 does that show the most up to date planned talent changes?

[bright swift]

nothing is changed except the apex

[thorn plover]

It has the talent changes, but not the stuff from notes from today

[pastel dragon]

ah ok

so the apex changes in the pinned message by Broccoliz is the most up to date?

[hasty blade]

Does jewelery have more value than cloak/bracer? Trying to decide what to craft next

[marsh prism]

it used to but no longer does

[marsh prism]

post your armory

[marsh prism]

use bluetracker.gg

[pastel dragon]

thankyou

[dry moon]

i see a lot of rdruids using photo for paladins. is there a reason for that?

err vanguard, not like ... actual paladins lol

[gentle nova]

They copied rycn

[mental dew]

So do we think caster will be viable in the new patch? Tired of cat lmao

[marsh prism]

then don't play it

[marsh prism]

worst timeline

[thorn plover]

Agreed

Hero talent revolving around cat playing boomie

[mental dew]

Thanks

[cerulean stratus]

can spam starfire now

big

[mental dew]

I like in pvp hitting that starsurge. Want to do that in pve

Haha

[thorn plover]

Someone watch jaks video and tell me how bad he butchered our apex changes

[hasty blade]

Thoughts on what I should craft? I think it comes down to cloak/bracer or jewelry

[thorn plover]

Do you raid myth?

[hasty blade]

Yeah but we're extending on Crown starting this week

[marsh prism]

wait that's also not our chest enchant is it

(I have no option about your craft I'm about to run to class)

[thorn plover]

Seems like a cloak play

If you aren't gonna have dragons

[cerulean stratus]

that neck is buns

or?

[thorn plover]

It's haste mast

[marsh prism]

giga mast

[cerulean stratus]

cloak is also haste mast

if its the one from quest

[marsh prism]

idk I'm in favour of main stat crafts p much always

[reef locust]

Whats the hardest boss to heal for resto druid this season?

[proven phoenix]

in what

[thorn plover]

Cloak mainstats atleast

[reef locust]

in M+?

[cerulean stratus]

cant you see this in qelive anyway

[high hawk]

i wonder if the apex re-design will outperform the apexless build in raid

[cerulean stratus]

and pick whatever gives u the most %

[proven phoenix]

I dont think theres any bosses that are particularly bad to heal for druid rn

[thorn plover]

By a lot

It is a large buff

[high hawk]

im glad, not playing the big feature of this expansion felt horrible

[mental dew]

So you still do WS in m+ as caster and kotg in raid. Wild. WS is just that much better in m+ ?

[thorn plover]

I mean it doesn't change anything how you play

[thorn plover]

For now

WS raid is a real possibility next week

[mental dew]

Interesting

What makes it a possibility?

[thorn plover]

Big blooms

[mental dew]

Ahhh, the apex

Sick

[thorn plover]

If you search in here there's been a lot of number crunching

If that's not a good enough answer lol

[mental dew]

I'll do that once I'm back to my PC

I understand haha, I believe what u say. Y'all are 100x in the know than me

Appreciate the help

[cerulean stratus]

not another ws tier bro

but l'ura has quite a few moments of split groups

[gentle nova]

P3 is all split

[cerulean stratus]

i think intermission and the planets part

r the only stacked ones right

well not stacked

[thorn plover]

Intermission is quite spread

[cerulean stratus]

not split

[peak charm]

How is this possible ?

[thorn plover]

It's basically equal

[sinful zephyr]

Do you think m+ healer meta will change, guys?

[thorn plover]

Look at the trinket list

[hard loom]

anyone theory cradted the new raid build yet for when apex buff comees out

[bright swift]

from Rdruid to Rdruid or?

[thorn plover]

No we went from top to even more top

[glossy flame]

i wish i knew what it was like to have a trinket that beats crucible

how are they changing apex talent they just nerfed it to 3

[bright swift]

they buffed it

[thorn plover]

Read the pin

[cerulean stratus]

but like

can you even take embrace and apex

[sinful zephyr]

Idk much about paladins, apart from their mental state, so I had to ask. Saw some buffs so had to check.

[thorn plover]

It got completely reworked

[thorn plover]

Yes

[bright swift]

you can take embrace if you don't play MS

[cerulean stratus]

and if i play ms

i cannot

[bright swift]

then no

[cerulean stratus]

bye embrace then

[thorn plover]

Why do you need ms

Can go like 7:30 without worrying about mana

Maybe less if we drop refo tho

Probably longer with raid buffs tho

Lol

There are what, 2 fights longer than that?

[latent musk]

Any tips for handling the Soul Torment dot (or for that matter, any kind of overlapping dots where 1 is instantly dispelled and 1-2 remain on the party) applied by the Restless Stewards in Windrunner? Our group just timed a +15 last night but I felt like I was too slow to spot heal those targets consistently

[cerulean stratus]

you have to rely a lot on regrowth and u dont have much room for error

if u consumed too much mana in one pull

gg u cant get it back

[thorn plover]

So cast regrowth?

[cerulean stratus]

no ty

[thorn plover]

Ok it's your 15$

[haughty ibex]

are u referring to the 1st pull especially? cuz thats rly cancer, u dispell squishiest and send CDs for the aoe

i always ns + convoke the 1st aoe after dispelling and then tranquility later if needed

[whole horizon]

when you say "our group", are you playing with a static? restless stewards can be kicked and chain CC'd pretty effectively if you can communicate in voice comms.

[proven phoenix]

I only really dispel if its on someone that I have no healing prepped for tbh

but ye

ideally u dont get many and people personal the salvo

[latent musk]

First pull specifically but there were a couple nasty overlaps later in the dungeon where it didn’t feel like regrowth spam was enough - is it dispel 1 and lifebloom the other?

[thorn plover]

Someone mentioned not dispelling there the other day, and it made it so much easier for me

[gentle nova]

Because im on lura

[thorn plover]

Yeah that's like the exception to that rule

10 min fight probably need mana

[haughty ibex]

how does it make it easier?

[sinful zephyr]

Globals

[thorn plover]

Because you don't waste a gcd doing 0 healing

Just keep spamming regrowth

[latent musk]

Maybe this is it - we play largely with a static group but last night was our first attempt at anything higher than a 14. I’ll log our next keys and will review our stops I guess

[whole horizon]

kesslive (evoker player, aug main) has a video where he demonstrates keeping that pull chain CC'd until it dies

[thorn plover]

Idk if it's right but it made it feel a pile easier for me

[whole horizon]

and honestly it doesn't require an aug, but it's just basic stuff imo. call your kicks, plan which stops to use first, kicks -> stops -> kicks -> stops, maybe let a cast or 2 off if you have a CD to handle it.

[pulsar kettle]

the dots arent kickable.

[whole horizon]

the spellcast applies the DoT, no?

[reef locust]

I think I just experienced my first key failure to not enough heals this season

[limpid jacinth]

No

[pulsar kettle]

no its not attached to the bolt at all.

[limpid jacinth]

You still need stops and kicks for the bolts because an unlucky double can drop someone

[whole horizon]

i haven't seen the damage get out of hand on that pull at all yet but some groups play the game on ez mode and some groups make it feel like nightmare difficulty.

[reef locust]

Where can I get accurate damage numbers on how much damage boss spells do at dif key levels?

[haughty ibex]

idk i never tried and i get it theoretically but dispell + convoke is quick and easy, then later maybe worth not dispelling ?

but also depends on class + defs i feel like

[haughty ibex]

not even close is nice to check out if u survive but lots of abilities are missing afaik

[limpid jacinth]

It’s usually fine because the biggest threat is things living too long and everyone running out of steam. But if DPS is low, it can be a slow spiral out of control. Generally only saw that in lower keys, in 18s and 19s, people melted them.

[reef locust]

I wish I had been logging, it was Araknath 12 and his fire lasers seemed to be doing like 1/3 of people's HP per tick

I kept it up for a while but eventually you run out of CDs

The dungeon journal just says "5 fire damage per second" because blizz isnt allowed to make anything useful

[limpid jacinth]

TBH, get better at ramping. You don’t really need a CD for beam phases unless people refuse to use defensive.

(Said gently and encouragingly)

[proven phoenix]

waht happened

oh u already said

[lunar sun]

Shouldn’t need cds for a 12 unless undergeared. Ideally you take 1 beam since we have pretty good self healing, lifebloom another and focus on healing the other

[proven phoenix]

but ye on that boss u have to recognise who is getting the dot, lifebloom one and manually heal the other

its also very beneficial if you take one dot yourself tbh

[reef locust]

I was taking one myself every time, I was def the easiest to keep alive, but HP was still dropping insanely fast

[proven phoenix]

did u lb yourself or someone else

[reef locust]

I had it on someone else, one of the melee

Maybe I need to move my lb more

[severe shoal]

we takin apex in raid now with changes? or waiting to test

[proven phoenix]

ye thats ideal so u are fine because you have self healing, one other person gets lb and the other you manually heal

using cds

[reef locust]

I was manually healing all of us

Getting 6 rejuvs up first

Is there a way people can just mess up that mech and take extra damage?

[lunar sun]

How are you using swiftmend?

Not rly tbh

[hardy canopy]

u want nature's bounty for skyreach btw

[lunar sun]

I think if a beam hits the boss

[hardy canopy]

rejuv manually and use sotf on regrowth as damage kicks in

[lunar sun]

It increases dmg

Done

But

Think it’s for the burst he does rather than the beams? Could be wrong

[hardy canopy]

and yes lasers buff boss

[proven phoenix]

it only increases supernova damage

[hardy canopy]

heals the boss as well

[reef locust]

If Im at 2 stack I use it to put up rejuvs to boost ramp, if Im in heavy damage Ill use the second charge to do regrowth

[proven phoenix]

I think you were probably caught off guard on damage

if I had to guess

in a 12 the damage is not significant enough to do more damage than just some hots even

[hardy canopy]

there was a bug that the lasers would do double the damage sometimes but i'm not sure if it's still a thing

i do think the damage from lasers are inconsistent

[haughty ibex]

ye ur correct it doesn’t affect the beam dmg

[reef locust]

3 of us took an average of 3.33m damage over a 2:31 fight from just hte lasers

[proven phoenix]

I dont think thats unreasonable

[hardy canopy]

had a 17 where a tick would bring you to 10% but on the 19 it was barely hitting for half hp

[proven phoenix]

@reef locust

this is from a 17

so I dont think your numbers are particularly unreasonable

[pastel dragon]

if i HotW in moonkin form then immediately leave that form does the 8 seconds of damage still happen or do i have to stay in moon form

[reef locust]

I guess I gotta git gud :/

[haughty ibex]

u didn’t log did u?

[reef locust]

Nah this is the first time Ive struggled to heal a boss so it hadnt been a concern so far. Done several other 12s with no issue

[proven phoenix]

yeah but thats not really a good way to think about it

[reef locust]

This is the first boss where Ive felt straight up gearchecked

[proven phoenix]

obv u messed up but its w/e

what ilvl are u

[haughty ibex]

what’s the ilvl?

[reef locust]

Or like I just need to change my whole appraoch

269

[proven phoenix]

thats more than enough for a 12

[haughty ibex]

from what h said ur approach is fine

[proven phoenix]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bMzVZmQqD6tG4TaP?fight=5&type=damage-taken&phase=2&by=ability @reef locust

you can take a look at this for what I do and if its different to what you do

[sudden rover]

are we dpsing as boomy from next patch on? the buffs seem pretty good

in m+

[pastel dragon]

i stopped being lazy and tested moon HoTW, yes you can leave moon form after lcicking it and it still does 8sec of aoe damage

[sudden rover]

ty

[prisma niche]

how much weeks are remaining till the crests cap is over?

[thorn plover]

Lots

That's usually a .7 thing

[prisma niche]

ouch, i messed some upgrades lol

[thorn plover]

And turbo boost isn't raising ilvl

Not like previously anyways

[reef locust]

It looks like you're raw dogging a lot more rejuvs, going Regrowth --> Swiftmend ---> Regrowth --> Wild Growth --> Regrowth Spam in laser phase

[wooden tapir]

anybody know if something is off with my macro? for some reason convoke randomly stops mid-cast from time to time

[marsh prism]

add cqs

. /cqs

[solar hollow]

Should I craft a 285 neck to replace my champion neck or 285 boots to get an embellishment?

Here is my current gear setup

https://questionablyepic.com/live/report/mhrwjqrfsesx

Also, is hero Emberwing feather better than champion heart of the wind?

[thorn plover]

You should get the hero neck from the PvP quest

[solar hollow]

I’m leaning boots, but also would a crafted wrist + back combo with embellishments be endgame bis?

[reef locust]

ty for the tips

[solar hollow]

Amazing ty

[wooden tapir]

where?

[marsh prism]

last line of macro

[wooden tapir]

will test it tyvm!

[marsh prism]

always

[timid oracle]

So does the buffs change our build or still kitty single and boomkin aoe?

[tough portal]

We will fight tooth and nails vs tonight's hotfixes

I will nev yield

[marsh prism]

I will. tf

[tough portal]

Best case scenario is they fix Starfire cleave and Blooming Infusion interactions + buff cat some as well

[tough portal]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/resto-druid-damage-dissonance/2291999 upvote share to the guild do all good things pls

[main timber]

I sent a big message on this topic too

[marsh prism]

I will share and post myself but that was actually about a real life design class that is about to start that I am in but that I dislike strongly

[tough portal]

Hahahaha

[marsh prism]

was funny

I scared xippo about it

[midnight mural]

running 16-17 Nexus Point. first boss, I'm struggling to get the heal absorbs off people. running wildstalker, used convoke and it didn't get the absorbs off in time, full hots. any tips?

[marsh prism]

@wicked veldt even newer rdruid reaction image just dropped

[wicked veldt]

not gonna get much mileage out of that one im afraid...

[rigid mirage]

yo im super new to pve day 2. i got enough to craft a mythic wep should i craft the two hand like wowhead says or should i do the 1 hand to save 2 sparks since i got this wep

[rustic copper]

2h

[rigid mirage]

kk ty

[rustic copper]

sparks do not matter

[stable iron]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/75249670?difficulty=5&boss=3306 Anyone got any tips on how to do better on M Chimaerus? He kicks my ass and I parse terribly most of the time. highest parse on him is like a 72 from it being a wipe. Not sure what I'm doing wrong but I know a 9 parse ain't kosher

[acoustic flint]

Is the no apex raid build worth trying out?

[grand herald]

Untill Tuesday, yeah

[acoustic flint]

Sick, I'll give it a go tonight

[simple rivet]

u used no flask but, and u can use way more of ur mana ur pool this what i see 😄
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/2ZGK4dCaRTBPp7yn/27-Mythic+Chimaerus,+the+Undreamt+God+-+Kill+(6:34)/6-Shibboleth/standard/statistics

[acoustic flint]

Thanks for the tips and the website! Did not know about it!