It is so abhorrently bad
#resto
bright swift
empty heath
Thanks for that, I do feel like I end up popping out of catform too much reactively and end up overhealing as a result.
tough portal
I'd say stop thinking of cat form as a window or evne something you go in and out of at all
thorn plover
its just buttons
bright swift
you are wrong
tough portal
Nobody's going partway thru Apex talents
It's 4/4 bro that's the goal of their changes even
bright swift
In the farty log it would be:
61 blooms from Photo
96 blooms from Apex 4
frigid glen
well there is a fact resto dps does not matter so much anymore its better if you keep up a mage with huge heals so that he wont use barrier and waste his gcd during his ramp etc.
empty heath
well there is a fact resto dps does not matter so much anymore its better if you...
that seems fair. Even the best druids at my key level are doing like 20k max overall I think
or around there
empty heath
5k dps overall is a 98 parse on a 15 lol
Yeah, I had a 16 that was just like this, huge healing parse and my dam parse was green.
frigid glen
very few bosses you can do 20+k st dmg. boss dmgs are really high
gentle nova
2tv is mandatory
frigid glen
what is the hardest dungeon to heal for you guys?
humble cargo
you are wrong
I was basing my thoughts on this breakdown from wowanalyzer , but i might make a mistake with the math along the way 😄
empty heath
what is the hardest dungeon to heal for you guys?
Seat and its not close
bright swift
Seat probably yea
thorn plover
spire
empty heath
The pack right before the second boss is absolute demon time
frigid glen
mine is seat too, but its hard for resto only i think?
empty heath
oh one boss that I find extra shit as rdruid = last boss of magisters... what the hell lol
frigid glen
spire depends on the pulls mostly
empty heath
they designed a boss to make LB/efflo suck as bad as possible
thorn plover
oh one boss that I find extra shit as rdruid = last boss of magisters... what th...
gotta get your group to stand near mid or it sucks a lot ya
wildgrowth target the boss instead of a person helped me
didnt even know that was a thing
frigid glen
i hate magister between 1. and 2. boss trash.
empty heath
a glaive + that magic dot on a squishy dps @-@
thorn plover
ya thats a tough pull, if you pull the wyrms? into it for the big damage amp its fun tho
frigid glen
there is a pack with glaive and backsteppinf mfers before the BL pull, i never pass that pull without 1 death
summer igloo
algethar first pull in a pug is my personal nightmare
frigid glen
algethar first pull in a pug is my personal nightmare
its all on tank
resetting the vile bites
summer igloo
yeah true, healing isn't really the issue
finding a tank who won't wipe->abandon is
empty heath
yeah thats rarely a heal issue as long as you dont mess up your CD on tank
frigid glen
always get a dwarf for removing stacks
empty heath
(stack them, etc)
frigid glen
in aa pull
frigid glen
always get a dwarf for removing stacks
not need below 16
pastel dragon
is there a consistent way to deal with the first pull in WS? feels really tough at 15/16 even with lust. well it feels inconsistent to me
summer igloo
do you send bark once the tank has gathered everything in hopes you have it back up by the time he runs out of defs? or hold it until he does
thorn plover
is there a consistent way to deal with the first pull in WS? feels really tough ...
pray
frigid glen
is there a consistent way to deal with the first pull in WS? feels really tough ...
dont bother with dispels just spam everything you got and hope dps to finish pack fast. use tranq after 30 secs or so
thorn plover
thats my strategy too and its been working
lol
as soon as i stop to dispel someone dies
frigid glen
dispel GCD waste is a problem for healing that pack
pastel dragon
dont bother with dispels just spam everything you got and hope dps to finish pac...
ok ill try that, ive been hiting one dispel and praying the other guy stays up long enough to proc apex on but it feels like some1 aqlways goes down in that time lol
frigid glen
yea i was doing same mistake focusing on dispels. it is a hard pull with bl you can spam so much heal trust yourself:))
pastel dragon
WS seems like a dungeon you want natures bounty on over harmoniopus bloom or 2/2 TV
then in MT is there a way to see who runic glaives is being cast on before the cast goes off so i can get LB on one of the two people before the damage ticks start?
pastel dragon
never play harmonious blooming
will the apex talent make HB any better? I guess idk if the boosted healing on the LB target with mastery stacks means more healing to the rest of the party
the apex change*
bright swift
HB doesn't make your target get that much more healing
if you have rejuv, regrowth and maybe germ already on the target it goes to 6 stacks
at that point it's just insanely DR'd
pastel dragon
ah ok that's a good point
granite sparrow
Is there a sinergy with wild growth or am i bad at timing it? i just did like 20 pulls on l'ura and even though i healed more than other restodruid i NEVER had more wild growth heal than him on any try
grand herald
there are a few WG talents
and 4 piece
did you compare your talent builds? wg cpm?
granite sparrow
i will check logs when raid is over, its just been bugging my mind
plain rampart
guys, I just began my driud resto adventure, but just got to 90. I'm trying to find out which dps talents are easier to setup just as a secondary (feral or moon) to do extra contents like, quests, weeklies, etc. what do you think?
thorn plover
guardian
thorn plover
i think some do it as boomie, but a lot here use guardian for that stuff
thorn plover
ptr
plain rampart
just saw this, where is this from btw
is that good or bad
bright jolt
thorn plover
is that good or bad
its a crazy buff, it will never stay that way
thorn plover
i wouldnt worry about it too much
bright jolt
the spell data didn't change
thorn plover
right now?
bright jolt
yes
bright swift
I see this on ptr
right now?
thorn plover
the ss i linked was from a few hours ago, then ptr went down
thorn plover
interesting
thorn plover
yeah its back to same on mine too
bright jolt
it's back to thursday's version
bright jolt
they changed it that evening
bright jolt
yes
thorn plover
like within a few hours of us getting of voice they changed it vrocas
wicked veldt
so which one of you is the impostor
spark river
wtf 2 vrocas
bright swift
so still crazy
thorn plover
we did this yesterday 530pm cst
bright jolt
yeah, this version is still a large net buff
bright swift
was it this version exactly
bright jolt
yes
thorn plover
yes
pulsar kettle
by next week itll be 25% and 5 targets 
thorn plover
then we did it on one of mattius logs with the WS giant blooms
thorn plover
boreal karma
Wouldnt do anything on his logs
cerulean drift
hey guys, i downloaded the hottracker addon and was messing with some settings. it was following my mouse for a bit but now it wont anchor to my body and i cannot figure out how to move it. i tried reinstalling the addon and hit the reset setting buttons. am i missing something to be able ot move it/anchor it to my character again?
bright swift
but implant on your sm is really good though
thorn plover
somehow he never had a single natural bloom on that log
thorn plover
id drop refo before i do that
bright swift
you have to drop both
boreal karma
2 min convoke is Troll
thorn plover
but then i think we have to take ms
bright jolt
this version is much harder to use correctly though, but it should still be a net gain if you overheal at something like 30%+ which is, imo, a high estimate
thorn plover
1tv > 1m convoke?????
bright jolt
I'm pretty sure the last point is up to preference tbh
thorn plover
oof
bright jolt
that point should technically have higher throughput than the others, most likely
depends on the player though
thorn plover
boreal karma
bright swift
bright swift
both are not complete value
convoke adds value in extra NB and in extra abundance
TV adds value in extra NB
convoke has to be better
and then you can still play tree too :>
bright jolt
I wouldn't be surprised if nd is the smallest net gain on a per point value, but it's hard to tell
hardy canopy
I wouldn't be surprised if nd is the smallest net gain on a per point value, but...
how so
bright jolt
in my mind, regrowth spam just uses 1m convoke + tv more than nd, but this is kind of why I think it's a toss up atm
it might be on a per fight basis
which would make more sense
bright swift
man i'm really starting to believe in WS
thorn plover
k so i didnt realize how clicked worked with being able to double bind a button, now i kinda want to change to it, but thats a drastic change
ive healed like this since i started healing
healing wont change but my dps buttons would i guess lol
bright swift
5% from Vigorous creepers
6% from Root network
3% from Potent Custodian
3% from Bursting growth
4.7% from symb blooms
bright jolt
you can also do some extremely unholy and unethical things with nature's bounty as wildstalker + lifebloom and apex on yourself
but it's very hard to do correctly
it's easier in situations like lura p3 though
where you can ramp then ns regrowth yourself
bright swift
Keeper:
3% from grove in spiration
4% power of nature
7% harmony of the grove
3.6% from Sylvan Beckoning
1% from Spirit of the Thicket
2% from dream bloom
Control of the dream
1 sec sm/wg cd
I think Keeper still wins
but it's close
Control of the dream is so valueable
crude nebula
Are there any talents you guys recommend changing from WoWheads guide for WS M+?
bright swift
wowhead is good probably
thorn plover
prosp/VI your choice
bright swift
prosperity enjoyers 
spark river
that one prosperity enjoyer eating real good
crude nebula
prosp/VI your choice
Err I couldn’t see myself using VI
thorn plover
lol i only use vi
crude nebula
Nice! I been watching your YT vids lol
crude nebula
What is ND?
bright swift
i dropped nd for 2tv
you're an idiot
pulsar kettle
What is ND?
nurturing dormancy
thorn plover
you're an idiot
im not going to disagree with this
crude nebula
Sorry, I’m dumb, what is 2tv?
crude nebula
Gotcha
I’ll experiment around. Appreciate it
What do yall normally drop to grab typhoon?
pulsar kettle
What do yall normally drop to grab typhoon?
one of the phys dmg points
top of the tree.
placid flax
i mean what u need typhoon for
thorn plover
i think most places you could take typhoon without ursols tbh
but im not confident in that
glossy zenith
Potion of Recklessness boosts our highest secondary stat, but if we're boosting mastery with Vaelgore's Final Stare would we want to use the potion first, or let it boost mastery (it does)?
thorn plover
youd want it to boost haste
bright swift
I think you play int pot
thorn plover
otherwise you probably use int pot
bright swift
the haste dr's too much
thorn plover
how much haste do you actually get from the pot if youre sitting at 1st dr
glossy zenith
I'm at 654 before potion, 2238 after
thorn plover
that doesnt help much
waxen ingot
I'm at 654 before potion, 2238 after
Thats very low haste
glossy zenith
it's an alt I'm playing now
granite sparrow
I reached the point where i'm trying to minmax in raid and i reached the conclusion that my raid frames are pushing be back a LOT especially in mythic, i have 90 avg performance but i feel like with the private auras and stuff it gets so clustered sometimes i lose uptime by trying to find who to heal and overwritting rejuvs/regrowths because i'm clueless about grid2.
I already tried searching some youtubers but either the UI is behind a paywall or they use those super colored raid frames or the black ones that i never understwood.
With that said, do you guys have any/anyone's profile from danders that looks "identical" to this image? Just so i have a strong base and can try to change small things to my taste, sorry for the wall of text
rotund pond
Hey, my buddy is getting into healing 12s, newer to WoW, he wants to improve, just wondering if anyone could look at his log of this 12 SR we just did and have any recommendations I could give him?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NaZYzA7rypbg2GRT?fight=last&type=healing&source=305
tardy sage
Question, I was reading something and are ppl (running the convoke no apex Raid Build) build stacking convoke and tranq for stupid dmg windows? If so, does it look something like - rejuvs - getting abundance up, then swiftmend, rejuv, then wildgrowth, natures swiftness to proc extra treants, convoke, tranq then regrowth, to fully maximize a complete dump of healing?? Or is it best to still utilize both convoke and tranq as separate cds / ramp windows?
grand herald
Question, I was reading something and are ppl (running the convoke no apex Raid ...
yeah id combine them most of the time
your sequence looks right
tardy sage
cause i heard the output is completely busted when combining both and esp with natures swiftness
ok, just making sure I wasn't doing something ass backwards
grand herald
Hey, my buddy is getting into healing 12s, newer to WoW, he wants to improve, ju...
most of the deaths seem to be people rotting out without taking any direct heals
waxen ingot
i think most places you could take typhoon without ursols tbh
Using them together Is almost always better than just knocking mobs
waxen ingot
Question, I was reading something and are ppl (running the convoke no apex Raid ...
Tranq into convoke is also crazy burst
thorn plover
Using them together Is almost always better than just knocking mobs
for sure it is, not like were starved for points over there anyway
waxen ingot
for sure it is, not like were starved for points over there anyway
I hate this talent system
Delusion of choice for extra 1%
oak garnet
I've yet to oom in 5 man content never take innervate
I am NE so worst case can usually meld drink towards end of a pull
waxen ingot
Yeah
spark river
I dont know if this is known information, it could be useful for both raid and m+.
They ve patched litany being procced by swipe, but feral frenzy counts as 5 damage instances and procs litany instantly.
rustic copper
5% from Vigorous creepers
6% from Root network
3% from Potent Custodian
3% from...
live or ptr?
bright swift
that's live
bright swift
post the build you tested with
rustic copper
did you test it with apex vs with apex?
what in the wg spam
this log looks like bad cohealers to me though
bright swift
any top log is
rustic copper
yep
unrelated @bright swift, have you tried swiftmend convoke then consuming swiftmend at all
I think that shit goes hard
bright swift
what
rustic copper
does it use it?
spark river
yep
bright swift
what ofcourse
rustic copper
it doesn't use pota though
bright swift
it should
rocky lodge
are most people taking ws > kotg now or is it boss specific
rustic copper
I only did it a few times at the end of my last raid
spark river
ws talk is next patch, everyone plays kotg
rustic copper
are most people taking ws > kotg now or is it boss specific
no one is playing ws
rocky lodge
top resto for m chim used ws but i just couldn’t see what the benefit was over kotg
bright swift
Is there a resilient flourishing module
rustic copper
ok I'm a liar
spark river
That guy playing ws has horrible co healers
rustic copper
does convoke sotf use pota?
bright swift
yes
rustic copper
holy moly
bright swift
bold grail
Hey all what do you use on veraxus in AA after he puts the debuff on you and then immediate group dmg, how do you heal that
spark river
is this the whats your io raid version
rustic copper
yes
bold grail
I got chunked
bright swift
wait I forgot something
bright swift
5% from Vigorous creepers
6% from Root network
3% from Potent Custodian
3% from...
With this
mastery value from symblooms
bold grail
cause you take a big individual hit then the group dmg is big.
spark river
Hey all what do you use on veraxus in AA after he puts the debuff on you and the...
Rip a convoke
bold grail
save it for right before debuff goes off?
tough portal
Is there a resilient flourishing module
No but idk how you make one. Logically tho root network should be better in raid cuz you do much less of your healing to targets with symbiotic up
spark river
Yeah use your individual hots to heal up the people with debuffs
and then wg convoke just before damage
bright swift
No but idk how you make one. Logically tho root network should be better in raid...
i'm just thinking about symbloom uptime on yourself
for more bonus lifebloom healing
rustic copper
does this work with regrowth NB?
bright swift
he has 50% symbloom uptime on his lifebloom
rustic copper
hold on I'm fucking cooking
maintain wg on yourself to focus all of the wg sym bloom procs onto yourself and then sotf rg yourself ?????
bright swift
how do you maintain wg on yourself..
rustic copper
you wg yourself and VI it
bright swift
wg won't hit you if anyone is lower than you
although implant does
ok we're cooking
rustic copper
yeah I was thinking about implant too
bright jolt
this is what I was talking about with nb abuse you can do on lura p3 for instance, or lower sizes for ramp
bright swift
always SM and WG yourself for massive symbloom uptime on yourself to boost lifebloom healing
thorn plover
the blizzard dev reading this discord trying to figure out how to fix apex based on this conversation
bright swift
creepers stacks right
rustic copper
but one of the big drawbacks I think with the apex build is you can't cast wg enough to keep the blooms proccing
rustic copper
you need at least 1 wg hot up and you will get a significant portion of the wg blooms
right
bright swift
but one of the big drawbacks I think with the apex build is you can't cast wg en...
why not
rustic copper
iirc the ws blooms are bucketed into independent proc rates based on the hot
is that right
bright swift
yes each hot has their own proc rates
rustic copper
yeah so if you cast wg you get 7 hots right
bright swift
yes but
more hots isn't necessarily bad
like if you were to tree wg
those 9 wgs would all work together for the next proc
if I understand symbloom procs correctly that is
all hot ticks basically add a number to a counter with more hots at the same time adding less and less
once that hot tick reaches a number, it procs a symbloom
and each hot has its own counter
rustic copper
yes but 7 hots gives you 62% more blooms than only having 1 hot up
I think that's the correct math
bright swift
no idea on exact math
rustic copper
having 1 hot up permanently is really important
the diminishing returns on having more hots up is rough
bright swift
@tough portal didn't you have exact numbers for this
rustic copper
I think it's 4th root of hot count
rustic copper
and it scales linearly with hot tickrate
rustic copper
this is also interesting
that is a wg spammer log but realistically it increases bloom proc rate by a lot
tough portal
<@102094910101913600> didn't you have exact numbers for this
Just from like averaging out 3/4 of the duration from Resil logs and comparing log to log, not very precise.
Tick rate is broken for Wildstalker
I miss flourish 
tough portal
Oh the proc of symbiotic bloom
rustic copper
trying to hit yourself with wg and VI extending it seems valuable
bright swift
dude imagine
rustic copper
I also really like casting wg sm recently
because I sometimes need to delay rg sm 
to not eat my sotf
bright jolt
trying to hit yourself with wg and VI extending it seems valuable
what's your intention here in regard to blooms
or am I misunderstanding
rustic copper
what's your intention here in regard to blooms
the big NB
bright jolt
no no, I mean proccing blooms on yourself
bright swift
4% Natural recovery
16% Forestwalk
4% bond with nature
20-40% vigorous creepers
Extra mastery stack from Symbloom
That is so much bonus healing
rustic copper
I'm pretty sure I understand how the bloom procs work but my understanding is if only 1 wg hot is up you get almost as many procs as you would get casting wg on cd but all focused on the 1 person with wg (you)
bright swift
that's INSANE
bright jolt
wouldn't regrowth give you blooms almost 100% of the time on yourself, or am I going insane here
rustic copper
no
bright swift
I need to test if symbloom goes on me with implant even if I don't get the WG
hardy canopy
4% Natural recovery
16% Forestwalk
4% bond with nature
20-40% vigorous creeper...
harmonious constitution?
rustic copper
regrowth splits blooms on everyone with regrowth
hardy canopy
doesn't work?
rustic copper
the procs are independent per hot
bright swift
harmonious constitution?
what now
main timber
It should probably scale the cleave with the healing received on the target of the cleave, not the primary
bright swift
oh why would you go for that
tough portal
<@102094910101913600> didn't you have exact numbers for this
What niko said is roughly right. The # added to the accumulator per tick doesnt go up linearly when you have more targets with each spell. Each spell is independent for this.
main timber
You will be lining up Guardian Spirit buff with two Swiftmends soon
bright jolt
hardy canopy
💀
rustic copper
It should probably scale the cleave with the healing received on the target of t...
do you mean they should change it
main timber
Yes
rustic copper
or that is how it works right now
bright swift
You will be lining up Guardian Spirit buff with two Swiftmends soon
then you need a holy priest in your raid
and that's trolling
rustic copper
so you are verifying that this works?
main timber
Consume Flame had the same thing and got removed
main timber
so you are verifying that this works?
Nah I haven't tried
It worked last time I tested on beta
bright swift
what works
main timber
But I haven't tested on ptr
rustic copper
what works
healing increases on the target you cast rg on buff NB vs casting rg on a different target amplifies the healing the person with a rg hot receives from NB
thorn plover
then you need a holy priest in your raid
we have one lmao
spark river
you d be surprised
rustic copper
post raid prog
thorn plover
nah id rather gap them on meters
bright swift
bad news @rustic copper
wait nvm
hold on
i didn't have implant
nvm still bad news
you DON'T get the bloom from implant
if you don't get a WG
tough portal
WG's bloom from implant doesnt go on target like the Swiftmend one, yeah
main timber
Yeah a random wg target gets it
tough portal
You should be able to get it if you're a valid Sym target from the other 2 spells
bright swift
problematic
bright swift
I mean even then
permanent RG
permanent Efflo
your uptime has to be insane on symblooms
bright swift
i'm surpised he only has 50% uptime
rustic copper
is that what you are saying?
rustic copper
oh
simple rivet
i have
rustic copper
kinda expected that
that's fine
I am going to cast wg into swiftmend anyways until the end of time
tough portal
What niko said is roughly right. The # added to the accumulator per tick doesnt ...
They nerfed the amount that Regrowth adds to the accumulator in Midnight. It's the least contributing spell now. If you cast 5 WGs per minute and hit 7 targets with it everytime + always heal 3 with Efflo, Regrowth is only ~15% of your total Symbiotic Blooms. Going from 4 Regrowth to 9 Regrowths ticking would only add ~1 Symbiotic proc per minute.
glass crane
would actually be annoying as fuck if wg put bloom on you every time
rustic copper
NB maxing
bright swift
no man
main timber
Test on ptr that healing mods still work
bright swift
nobody is talking about NB
main timber
Or this is all a bit pointless
bright swift
i'm talking about apex
rustic copper
glass crane
now the play is to make everyone else get the fuck out of your efflo
rustic copper
luckily NB maxing with ws would also be apex bloom maxing
bright swift
Test on ptr that healing mods still work
healing mods for apex cleave right
rustic copper
I've always enjoyed standing completely out of position and turreting healing spells
bright swift
now the play is to make everyone else get the fuck out of your efflo
that cannot be worth it 😭
tough portal
If they didnt work
rustic copper
it might be my favorite thing
tough portal
You would already not see 60% on the cleave
Since LB is mastery on main target but not on others when you're testing
thorn plover
now the play is to make everyone else get the fuck out of your efflo
this would actually be hilarious
tough portal
Or just any of the other healing % amps on yourself, too, it was always 60% consistent when I was testing with Lb on myself vs Lb on dummies
rustic copper
@bright swift bird does 0 dmg and wg goes on dmged target
get the debuff for eating wrong color on beloren
🎦
bright swift
<@144432170117627904> bird does 0 dmg and wg goes on dmged target
that shit hurts
rustic copper
it's easy
peak kraken
Hello! Was hoping to get some feedback on druid healing Hohana getting complaints about low healing and just want to ask the pros thier thoughts, here are logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HpYFzPbdcfnTRQJw
grand herald
Hello! Was hoping to get some feedback on druid healing Hohana getting complaint...
should read this, you are making all the common mistakes https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes/
gusty dirge
This is maybe a dumb question but do you change lifebloom target when tanks swap typically
or is it mostly contextual to the boss fight
grand herald
in raid i just have lb on myself
gusty dirge
ohh is that typical
peak kraken
Is it common to be sniped on heals? As monk healer is always asking for inervate, and constantly out of mana and someone mentioned maybe getting sniped but not sure
grand herald
Is it common to be sniped on heals? As monk healer is always asking for inervate...
you arent using your abundance, you arent casting swift mend, you arent casting wild growth, you are playing apex and you arent keeping lifebloom up
your tree of life uptime should be about 4x higher
bright swift
ok reinstalling worked
hard loom
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/barthilas/pepehealz
Hmmm trying to figure out how to get another 20-25k hps to make me parse 99s
pulsar kettle
grand herald
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/barthilas/pepehealz
Hmmm trying to fi...
you can pretty much just read what i said to the last person
hard loom
Uptime is going oretty well tbh. Im doing pretty chill on mana lately and when in ToL not even using regrowth unless needed and just pounding out rejuvs. But still even thougy im sending it im short about 2pk hps on 99 parse
Read what? My uptime on most things is near max
gentle charm
do you guys think going 5 heals for crown in a normie guild is a reasonable idea
hard loom
Ah the QE post thing?
rustic copper
do you guys think going 5 heals for crown in a normie guild is a reasonable idea
normal difficulty?
gentle charm
heroic
rustic copper
you need to specify raid size
bright swift
@main timber definitely still works
main timber
Yeah kk
gentle charm
~21
bright swift
more healing = more everbloom
rustic copper
more healing = more everbloom
did you try NB too?
bright swift
idk how to try that
grand herald
Read what? My uptime on most things is near max
you arent using abundance, you can cast more WG and SMs, your lifebloom uptime can be better, your ToL uptime can be better
gentle charm
I feel like we are getting fucked on end of p2
gentle nova
Nb works with ws
rustic copper
go WS and take 35% more healing on self rg
rg ally then rg self check heal
then do opposite
main timber
5 for 21 is a minor overheal but won't stop you losing the fight. Sounds fine
I think you'd probably wipe to healing a bit with 4
gentle nova
go WS and take 35% more healing on self rg
It works
rustic copper
ok
gentle nova
And blooms procs also pref you a lot more
rustic copper
do I trust you tho
gentle nova
I know what you tryna do i dint think its good to spam rg on you
Unless its after tranq
I have a log
rustic copper
I know what you tryna do i dint think its good to spam rg on you
self lb + all the WS modifiers including having a symb bloom on yourself
sotf rg has to go crazy right
grand herald
Read what? My uptime on most things is near max
for example, i have about 97% LB uptime, 4.7 SM CPM, 6 WG CPM, double your RG casts, i dont use ToL much but when i do it has about 70% uptime
rustic copper
It hits for 150k
why does it only hit for 150k
gentle nova
Only?
rustic copper
yeah
gentle nova
Just does
bright swift
only
bright swift
revival hits for like 30k man
rustic copper
and a crit
bright swift
what do you want
gentle nova
It is 150k at 2k int
And 1 symbbloom
Rg is weak
Its a 20k heal if it doesnt crit
rustic copper
there is no way...
gentle nova
Just login the game lmao
rustic copper
no
hard loom
Eh I mean i only regrowth in abundance 12 stack when im not in tol. And if im in tol ar 12 stack i spread regrowth if i need spot healing otherwise feel rejuv is stronger
grand herald
Eh I mean i only regrowth in abundance 12 stack when im not in tol. And if im in...
why
hard loom
Because im not struggling with mana and empowered rejuv in tol pumps
glass crane
barkskin will be part of your ramp
you haven't taken this to its full conclusion
grand herald
and RG pumps too
bright swift
hit me
glass crane
we will be playing stonebark as well
hard loom
But maybe im wrong and that's why im parsing 70
grand herald
yes
bright swift
we will be playing stonebark as well
that doesn't work on lifebloom blooms does it
hard loom
Ill regrowth more tomoz give it a go
hard loom
Cheers az
grand herald
your uptimes on everything is a bit low
bright swift
testing
hard loom
Hmmm kk
grand herald
cast SM on cd, cast WG on cd, dont let LB drop
bright swift
it does not boost blooms
glass crane
unfortunate
gentle nova
why does it only hit for 150k
bright swift
it made my eb healing go up on live
live apex cleaves all lb healing
ptr apex only cleaves blooms
gentle nova
As in 1 hour ago?
gentle nova
Wtf they doing
bright swift
trying to make this balanced (it's not working)
bright swift
nope
gentle nova
Why would they say something
glass crane
let's take the most single target healing spell of all time and figure out how to make it aoe
bright swift
yeah idk
grand herald
They just testing shit
i mean do they usually test like this
gentle nova
Yes
Imagine posting to the community about the same apex being reworked everytime they rework it
Would look dumb
Just stealth change stuff
And post when its complete
bright swift
yeah it's not that outlandish
glass crane
do kotg guardians increase bloom healing?
gentle nova
They do
bright swift
don't think it'll make up for it though
symblooms is an absurd amount of bonus healing
gentle nova
Make up for? Its 5x10 and 5x5 during flourish
Convoke
75% lb healing when 5 ggs are up
bright swift
aren't you playing 2 min convoke
robust badge
trying to make this balanced (it's not working)
some % of Lb healing is replicated on all of your rejuvs (double for germ), maybe sqrt it
pum fixed
bright swift
rejuv hell yeah
thorn plover
apex should spread rejuv for free
robust badge
They kinda designed themselves into a pickle here though
There’s basically no way to make it good in raid without being turbo broken in keys
bright swift
wdym this is turbo broken in raid
main timber
power of nature seems to work
It does for sure
bright swift
What I don't understand is
WS looks like it has around the same multipliers on your total healing than KOTG
why is it just never played
I swear I tested it
and it felt garbage
gentle nova
It buffs rejuv more
main timber
It was always much less bursty and more rng
gentle nova
We are not playing rejuv anymore
deft oar
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bzHqXy47wpFjZ3TR?fight=6&type=healing&sourc...
hows the regrowthmaxxing going
gentle nova
You should see the light
deft oar
bro niko aint even equipping 4set anymore
gentle nova
I wouldnt if i didnt get myth tier shoulders in vault
bright swift
yeah but tbf 4set is horrible
deft oar
but like
surely its still good enough to equip
even if it isnt great xd
or do u not wanna press WG that much
deft oar
wdym
gentle nova
If you play nbmaxxing u will oom if u press 5 wg
bright swift
They are playing some cooked build
dw about it
it's a lot of effort
and you can't move
gentle nova
Im prlly notnplaying apex 4 but phosy
main timber
apex 4 gives more
That's only true pre-12.0.5 no?
bright swift
which is lower with WS too btw
gentle nova
Sms not wg
bright swift
yes I know
gentle nova
Check one of your logs of long fights like alleria and how many sms u casted
Remember its 3 frenzy now not 5
fervent mica
how many more changes before patch notes <_<
bright swift
my 8:47 Alleria
96% lb uptime
159 blooms from photo
44 swiftmends
so it's now more from photo hmm
bright swift
for you maybe
I think dropping 1 TV isn't the end of the world for the normal build
gentle nova
For nbmaxing its disaster
deft oar
man i just wanna know what the correct build and playstyle is im offspeccing resto for my guild why cant this spec have one solution
main timber
If you are offspeecing then play either of the wowhead builds. Most of these talent swaps are just shifting around 1-2% healing
We are not even talking about live builds right now
deft oar
so i just rock thuis and vibe or
main timber
Yes or the non-apex version
deft oar
progging aleria atm
deft oar
how com
main timber
For the most part don't worry about your build too much. Just focus on playing well
main timber
If you click wowhead talents page there is a non-apex version there too
bright swift
this in .5
I wonder how ToL is with this new shit
surely just much worse
you have to play kotg with ToL
gentle nova
Wildstalker is unplayable on some fights just because of control
gentle nova
Ws probably better there then
gentle nova
And when you go down also
bright swift
yea
main timber
Oh yeah for L'ura I'd be very surprised if it wasn't better
bright swift
how many people go down even
bright swift
looks like 10 people stay up
gentle nova
Yeah but the down group sometimes is 10 and sometimes less, idk why
I remember because sometimes nick was alone healing and sometimes there was another healer
glass crane
lura is 10 up, 5 on red/blue
glass crane
you can control which healers go down
gentle nova
Should let the 2 discs heal up then
bright swift
does atonement heal through realm
swift ermine
Trying to get the "smart res" to work in Dander frames. But I can't seem to get it to work
hard loom
When are thry changing our apex?
gritty nova
does atonement heal through realm
it does not
untold perch
Is there a way to see per boss encounter for hps on logs? Or is it just overall hps for mythic+?
hard loom
Ah interesting. Ive seem some of the chats above but is the consensus is, its a buff to m+ and then for raid we would switch back to WS convoke > tol kotg?
untold perch
Bless up Ty
bright swift
Ah interesting. Ive seem some of the chats above but is the consensus is, its a ...
it's a massive buff for both
Not sure about TOL kotg
it's not necessarily weaker
but you can't play WS with TOL
But we'll have to actually test
hard loom
Yeah exactly
bright swift
this is all theory
hard loom
Tbh im kinda not a fan of ToL anyway lol
bright swift
i am
hard loom
Wouldnt mind WS convoke
plain rampart
guys, is there a way to do world quests, and that kind of type of content on your healer talents comfortably?
I feel like cat form is just not enough
grand herald
i would just play another spec
inner sonnet
feral/balance, set loot spec to resto if you want to target specific rewards + single button helper
plain rampart
feral/balance, set loot spec to resto if you want to target specific rewards + s...
oh I didn't even remember single button helper was a thing now haha
thorn plover
guardian bis for world quests
rustic copper
I just don't think apex currently does enough
ms 
bright swift
Ok hf
rustic copper
if you don't press wg or sotf rg I'm pretty sure you regain as much mana with source and self innervate to straight cast 24/7
my mana pool is my sotf rg and wg pool
fervent mica
bring enough druids to get innervate for every wg
bright swift
They don't heal that much
lone basalt
How is apex changing in 1.5?
thorn plover
thorn plover
How is apex changing in 1.5?
thats what its currently changing to
lone basalt
tyty
thorn plover
highly likely to change again before release
fickle garden
isnt .5 patch on a release candidate tho
thorn plover
yes
fickle garden
they usually dont make major changes once thats set?
thorn plover
but its been changing almost daily
fickle garden
interesting
fervent mica
they've changed it like 5 times this week /-:
fickle garden
wish they would do some shit for holy paladin -_-
white sentinel
How do you guys feel abt reforestation in m+
gentle nova
Found a new apex tech but im gatekeeping it
white sentinel
I accidentally ran a key with my raid build and it felt good
gentle nova
bright swift
Found a new apex tech but im gatekeeping it
Loser
gentle nova
🤣
bright swift
How do you guys feel abt reforestation in m+
Not worth
white sentinel
Found a new apex tech but im gatekeeping it
Spill it
drifting timber
are the trinkets in MoQ worth trying to get?
thorn plover
are the trinkets in MoQ worth trying to get?
there are much better options
plain steeple
Highly depends.
Switching LB would be a good thing, if the players with dots survive it.
So: when do you see that they will receive the dots? Do they survive it, when you switch the LB at first before you start to use other healing buttons?
Who is the third player? Is it the tank? Does he still receive big dmg?
It may also depends on who is targeted and what kind of defensives they are going to use.
slow pasture
Depends on personnals tho
If Y or Z doesnt have a personnal. Can be good to ease us no ?
proven phoenix
yeah again it also depends on hot prep and symb bloom stacks
just all sorts of stuff
idk
its hard to really give absolute answers to stuff like thios
sacred wasp
a good example of this scenario is last boss skyreach where you're juggling dots while knowing who's targeted by the next set
my rule of thumb is if it's a telegrapheed dot i'll swap lb, if not then its not worth the gcd while damage is actively ticking them
slow pasture
Talking about Skyreach. The target change is absolutly fucked up.
It was nice to see who was gonna get a beam so you can plan before dmg hit
sacred wasp
Talking about Skyreach. The target change is absolutly fucked up.
It was nice t...
Yeah so i legit just finished healing the last boss on an 18 when u said that lmfao
oh wait u didnt pose the og question
nvm
slow pasture
Was talking about the "golem"
But the point kinda remains. When do you want to LB swap
plain steeple
On that fight you have plenty of time to adapt and the tank doesn’t receive big hits while the others have the dots up.
There I always swap lifebloom.
slow pasture
Really those swap/consume soft. It feels very satisfying
Make Lifetreading just a spell to attach the efflo to someone instead of the LB and i'll happy
plain steeple
The player with lifebloom will just have full hp. LB is very strong.
And you could just focus healing the 2nd player.
Also there is so much time beforehand, that you can get all important hots out.
sacred wasp
what content are you doing where LB alone is enough
peak charm
@bright swift how did u fix PTR crashes?
flint temple
I mean part of lifebloom is copying your regrowths no?
sacred wasp
Ah i follow the logic now
slow pasture
I mean part of lifebloom is copying your regrowths no?
Only the hot
sacred wasp
maybe the 5x blooms are included in that equation from sotf
plain steeple
what content are you doing where LB alone is enough
Nobody said alone. You‘ll have 5-6 hots on that target.
And it will bloom
And if they‘re not far apart they will both receive the sotf rg.
sacred wasp
how high of a key has that worked out for you
that doesn't seem very sustainable
that dot starts to fuck
main timber
Llms have 0 ability to answer anything on wow and you can tell that's clearly nonsense
plain steeple
that dot starts to fuck
So you rather want to have less hots on these targets than more hots? And leave your strongest heal on a third person that doesn’t need anything?
thorn plover
lotta words
main timber
You could math this out so long as you know how much prep time you have. But also I am in bed 
I'll see if I get a min on Monday since I think it's interesting
proven phoenix
please dont post claude healer gameplay
christ
@grave notch my thought process is that lb cleaving, verdancy etc is more than enough healing if the people taking damage have hots/blooms
a single symbiotic bloom is an insane amount of healing
but like I said
its just dynamic
idk
I change what I do based on whats going on
a wise man once said HEALING ISNT MATH, ITS ART
wary belfry
Just heal
thorn plover
please dont post claude healer gameplay
this is what claude told me about resto druid
proven phoenix
wow
peak charm
I wasnt gonna read all that so i plugged in it gpt and got the TDLR: One-Line Summary
A fully ramped Lifebloom + more casts beats a weak ramping Lifebloom + fewer casts.
peak charm
🧠
peak charm
cookin
forest hull
Used codex to make a lightweight sound alert addon that:
- sound alert when LB is at 3.5s remaining duration (can set between 0.5-5s)
- sound alert if in combat and LB is not active
- sound alert if in combat (for more than 5s) and SM is available
- sound alert if you have 3 stacks of reforestation (next SM is treeform if talented).
- all 4 alerts have disable function so we can pick/choose, 34 sounds available
If anyone wants it feel free to reach out - cbf figuring out how to put on curseforge to share
urban bone
Hey when I extend LB multiple times, I noticed eventually danders has the refresh warning start blinking even when there’s like 10s left. Is the pandemic window continually growing as you extend it?
Or am I misreading it
plain steeple
Hey when I extend LB multiple times, I noticed eventually danders has the refres...
It’s not growing.
Maybe a danders issue.
livid hearth
Reached 90 yesterday, did all the normal and hard preys and wqs and at 220 ilvl. Gonna do lfr then some 8 delves then m+ for weekly.
Got 6-7 sparks. Should i wait with my sparks and tier piece charges until reset?
Altho i dont think ill time 10s yet i maybe time 6s and get 2h at 266 ilvl or tier piece at smth?
lone blade
anyone know for dps wise after u spread bleeds and get vines on enemies, do you want to spam 1 combo ferocious bites to get vine explosions? or get to 5 combo points
fervent mica
Reached 90 yesterday, did all the normal and hard preys and wqs and at 220 ilvl....
we were doing 10s week one at ~240, they're much easier now obviously but its doable
clear oracle
anyone know for dps wise after u spread bleeds and get vines on enemies, do you ...
Depends on the type of damage you want I guess. If you want to do big numbers bite with 1 combo. If you want prio damage bite with 5 combos into prio mob
clear oracle
Yes. If you want the biggest numbers you can also skill into sunfire 😄 I have managed over 100k in the first pull of AA
slow pasture
Well. Most of the time you will not reach rip/rake on everyone until a dmg event occurs
tough portal
so for pure aoe 1 combo bites
Definitely not. This is terrible damage.
lone blade
does vine explo not do that much damage?
mortal fjord
tempting to trade Nature's bounty for 2/2 Thriving vegetation. does it make sence ?
slow pasture
tempting to trade Nature's bounty for 2/2 Thriving vegetation. does it make senc...
Most of the time i'm playing this.
I think @bright swift too but not sure
mortal fjord
meaning u dont play NB ?
tight flicker
Anyone have any idea if Apex is optimal for smaller size heroic groups?
Any way to find this myself?
slow pasture
meaning u dont play NB ?
I'm testing another build these days
twilit galleon
do you prehot before pull?
was thinking about getting reforestation and ramp before pull so i can instant launch convole and tranquillity on pull
slow pasture
was thinking about getting reforestation and ramp before pull so i can instant l...
Most if the time there's no dmg at the start
You gain nothing except max overhealing
grand herald
Also cant get refo before pull
slow pasture
Also. Even if tranq heals a lot. The most of it’s power is from flourish
twilit galleon
i have lot of fights where i could fit one more convoke / tranquillity if i don't wait the 20 sec pefore using it
grand herald
I mean
grand herald
Depends if you get any value out of those cds
grand herald
they changed it?
Yes
vivid peak
You can stack on critters next to boss rooms
twilit galleon
You can stack on critters next to boss rooms
nice
torn herald
tempting to trade Nature's bounty for 2/2 Thriving vegetation. does it make senc...
No. NB is like a shitload of healing for 1 talent point
slow pasture
No. NB is like a shitload of healing for 1 talent point
So is 2TV in m+
mortal fjord
I care for m+ only asking regarding 2/2 TV
clear oracle
Can somebody please explain to me why the resto druid wowhead guide specs into nurturing dormancy in the M+ build? That seems to be such a waste of a point
slow pasture
It’s very powerfull. It allows to stay at high abundance stack
storm kettle
Longer rejuvs means your ramps last longer and abundance stacks are higher, it helps the healing, which is the purpose of the guide
stoic osprey
I hit the tank with 3 LB double rejuv then bark then I WG for the group then SM THE tank then double rejuv all group except tabk still has about 10 or 13 secs left of LB & rejuv double stack then I SM the tank again and regrowth the entire group with the 10ish secs left of the double rejuvs still ticking and then rinse and repeat use of convoke or tranq if needed but before I csn get thru all that entire rotation the aoe blast that goes off in seat on that first pull 1 shot me and a dps. Is there a way at all to make SM come off cd faster or am I doing something wrong I can do an 11 but a 12 is just so much damage and at the end of all those adds before boss im at like 40% mana im going oom so much. Im new to resto druid is there a more efficient way to manage mana. I was recommended to come here to get advice.
clear oracle
Longer rejuvs means your ramps last longer and abundance stacks are higher, it h...
I mean it is m+? I am not really ramping
storm kettle
I mean it is m+? I am not really ramping
In big damage events you should, at least to some extent
Also depends of key level obviously
clear oracle
In big damage events you should, at least to some extent
I mean I am ramping but those usually do not last long enough for this talent to matter
stoic osprey
I mean I am ramping but those usually do not last long enough for this talent to...
I counted the time LB and double rejuv last its roughly 20 secs
storm kettle
I mean I am ramping but those usually do not last long enough for this talent to...
The guide is meant for new players, to get to know the basics of the spec and healing profile. If you feel you know the spec talents good enough you can just choose yourself. I'm not running ND in m+ (but I'm also doing weeklies and not pushing beyond 12)
slow pasture
Gcd efficient
simple rivet
Can somebody please explain to me why the resto druid wowhead guide specs into n...
i changed it to 2tv feels better, in higher keys i think u benefit not so much from it 😄 so tv feels better
fathom musk
Hey guys, what is the ideal haste percentage for resto druid unbuffed? Any known thresholds?
simple rivet
Critical Strike - Above 1380 rating
Haste - Above 1320 rating
Mastery - Above 1380 rating
Versatility - Above 1620 rating
marsh prism
you dont have to know this
you can chuck your stuff into qelive top gear and it will spit out your best kit based on the content type
fathom musk
ty
naive ore
when playing with brewmaster tank: where do you put LB most of the time?
marsh prism
on them
slow pasture
Tank.
And swap if you need some funnel
naive ore
🫡
clear oracle
i changed it to 2tv feels better, in higher keys i think u benefit not so much f...
I see a lot of people running improved swiftmend in high keys and I have to say it feels pretty good. It may be less GCD efficient but I usually only use those gcds to do bad damage anyways 😄
simple rivet
I see a lot of people running improved swiftmend in high keys and I have to say ...
tried it, but maybe i was wrong but i feeled me way stronger with 2 tv , improved swiftmed not feeled soo nice compared for me 😄
clear oracle
Yeah maybe. It just feels like I am mostly struggling with those ST dots and for that 30% more SM feels really good. If I have to press rejuv when they already got the dot chances are they already dead
spark river
Your ramp takez less time with ND
Nd in keys is a meme
upper hamlet
How I'm supposed to outheal the dmg on MT 3rd pull with Pyromancer + Codexes?
lament river
Any suggestions to resto druids on discord?
slow pasture
How I'm supposed to outheal the dmg on MT 3rd pull with Pyromancer + Codexes?
Be prep
And group must mass cc
slow pasture
Nd in keys is a meme
We are meme
marsh prism
9.7 paladins...
3.7...
limpid jacinth
You got this, Nance!
north fiber
hey guys, which trinket of the two is better for m+? got them in the vault
limpid jacinth
neither, ideally
spark river
just take the bis weapon
north fiber
i've crafted a wep already 🙁
spark river
So what?
harsh quail
since you only posted m+ vault, do you raid?
north fiber
since you only posted m+ vault, do you raid?
yeah here is the raid vault
north fiber
you get a 289 haste mastery weapon
you got a point 😄
limpid jacinth
the staff is definitely the play here
limpid jacinth
But, gun to my head and make me decide between the two trinket, I’d take feather. (Edit: actually, I’d look at QE)
marsh prism
tyty
north fiber
alright thanks so much!
marsh prism
absolute fucking squad
old pollen
99 sum parse
storm kettle
absolute fucking squad
lol we had the same thing
Guess 6 heal is no longer the play
grizzled seal
No, it's just you obviously doing less than 5 heal logs
It's not about the strat being bad
old pollen
you just need a fifth and six healer with no hands who pressed N for the first time in their lives
storm kettle
Oh ofc not, only parse-wise
marsh prism
it doesnt help theres like 3 classes that are crazy good and everyone else is a raid buff
in terms of dps
so you can just be like yeah swap resto ig
grizzled seal
Yeah
grizzled seal
Moderati 3388 on the case
marsh prism
hate that fool
marsh prism
Casual play = killing mythic paladins?
idk maybe im finally braindead from wow
shit is stupid easy
grizzled seal
Wait till you see Lura comp req
marsh prism
marsh prism
easy. next question
grizzled seal
You know what the best spec for DH is right now
Our only DH alt is called Devhater
spark river
gigachad
quiet wyvern
gigachud
urban kestrel
im messing around with rbgs and does anyone know how the hell apex, disentanglement, and early spring interact? I've never seen more combat log events in my life
the mushroom literally just starts teleporting all over the place
thank god rbg is a joke game mode lmao
fickle barn
I just started raiding and I have blizzard ui only at the moment. For some reason, I cant see debuffs to dispell in raid frames, how to fix this?
iron fox
Hi guys, during dungeons when people's HP bar becomes like half transparent and with ++++ symbols what does it mean?
