resto

[rustic copper]

Is 3 egg possible

[bright swift]

nobody has killed it

[grizzled seal]

No idea, nobody has done it

It's been 2 days

[rustic copper]

No one has killed it but is there some guild trying 3 egg

Or do you just hit enrage

[bright swift]

Scour the logs for it

[grizzled seal]

You can do 3 egg theoretically

[rustic copper]

Should be able to figure that out before you actually do it

[bright swift]

3 egg 4 heal sounds ok but

[grizzled seal]

The third p1 is apparently demonic

[gentle nova]

The 3rd p1 seems chaotic as fuck

[bright swift]

apparently the 3rd P1 is mega banned

[rustic copper]

We have geared people up for rly good st dmg

Maybe we can do 2 egg without bear next week

[bright swift]

Do you have 3 augs

and a ww

[grizzled seal]

Yeah next week sure

Is next week already 3%?

[gentle nova]

Think so

[spark river]

Isnt each p1 a 10% heal reduction

[grizzled seal]

It is

2 egg with a suboptimal comp next week does not sound too unrealistic

But you also can't be too suboptimal

[hybrid elk]

is there an addon that makes symbiotic relationship scream at me when its not active lol

[bright swift]

BuffReminders

[silk ice]

Clickable raid buffs works too

[rustic copper]

Looks like it yeah

[gentle nova]

😹

[fierce isle]

Does our apex talent rework come out in the .5 patch?

[gentle nova]

Yea

[fierce isle]

Hmm

[mellow lance]

@marsh prism gm sweetheart

[hybrid elk]

Hell yeah. Thanks alll

wait its not doing Symbiotic relations

just my vers buff

[wheat prawn]

Heya. I am watching lorrgs and doing reminders to myself and i noticed 50 sec cooldown convokes all around. Is there somehow a way to reduce the cooldown? Example: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kMnGjcgQydhYmCA6?fight=21&source=25&type=casts&ability=391528

[thorn plover]

my Buff Reminders works for symb

[spark river]

Control of the dream hero talent

[lyric surge]

Control the Dream hero talent

[hybrid elk]

its working now 🙂

[wheat prawn]

Great, thanks!

[sour galleon]

is there any info anywhere on playstyle with Litany of Lightbound Wrath?

[modern walrus]

I swear to god I was WAITING for you to ask this as soon as I posted 🤣

[tough portal]

Group taking damage is what makes healing... healing

If damage intake is giving you pause on playing a healer maybe you don't wanna heal

[wheat crag]

Is this hero track cosmic bell I just got useful in any way?

[thorn plover]

less than 2

[gentle nova]

Thanks

[thorn plover]

yw

[gentle nova]

Op apex just in time for my lura kill

[main timber]

No

[quick jasper]

This dogshit?

[main timber]

It is pretty good, but also you know all of our gearing resources at this point

There is a setting for it too

[unreal mantle]

Do I nature's Swiftness before convoke when using it to aoe heal?

[bright swift]

in raid yes

[restive jasper]

hey guys ! Just FINALLY got my 4P and I would like to try the No-Apex, do I still need to keep 100% uptime on lifelboom ?

[thorn plover]

yes

[unreal mantle]

In keys no?

[bright swift]

nah

[unreal mantle]

What's the negative so I can understand

[restive jasper]

I can also play no aspect in MM+ ?

[thorn plover]

no

[wide rose]

Is this kind of mouseover macro what i should be using

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help] Rejuvenation;

[thorn plover]

yes thats exactly what i use

[wide rose]

Ok thanks

For all targetted spells

[gentle nova]

Do you move with wasd or mouse

[wide rose]

Thanks a lot in general for all the advice purr

Wasd

[gentle nova]

Thats fine then

[harsh quail]

the flexibility for an instant spotheal or brezz more important than a stronger convoke that is topping your 5man anyway

[wide rose]

Im gonna edir my keybinds later

[crimson void]

if im in a 10 man raiding group (2,2,6) will the m+ healing build be a better option?

[wide rose]

To use side mouse button for modifiers

But stick to wasd prolly

[rustic copper]

Highly recommend using an addon to bind them like clique/clicked or at least blizzard’s built in click casting

[unreal mantle]

ty

[gentle nova]

Yeah i play a weird way where i have mouseover macros but in the same macro i have it on target

So its similar to click casting

[thorn plover]

so if you dont have a mouseover it casts on target?

[wide rose]

is this to make the task of binding them easier or does it improve the usability?

i'll look into it

[gentle nova]

Yea

I move with mouse

[thorn plover]

yeah thats how mine function too

[gentle nova]

So i have to lockin some Targets

[thorn plover]

yeah same reason

[wide rose]

thats so useful damn

[thorn plover]

lots of ways to set them up however you like to heal/move

[wide rose]

still working to find the most comfortable thing but once i deal with my awful mouse software i should be able to simply use modifiers

[thorn plover]

/cast [@mouseover,help] Rejuvenation; = must have mouseover

/cast [@mouseover,help] Rejuvenation; Rejuvenation = prio mouseover, clicked target if no mouseover, self if neither

/cast [@mouseover,help] Rejuvenation; [@target,help] Rejuvenation = prio mouseover, fallback clicked target

[gentle nova]

I use the 2nd one

[thorn plover]

same

[wide rose]

whats comfortable for me so far
wasd
1-5
AERTYFGV (not american kb letters)
shift and ctrl on mouse, so 8x3 = 24 comfortable binds

could bind right clic too i guess since i wasd

[gentle nova]

Nah with wasd you use right click to move camera no?

[thorn plover]

keyboard turning will catch up with you eventually

[wide rose]

oh nvm thats panning duh

yea yea

camera panning on clic way too important

[gentle nova]

I always found it weird to move with keyboard since you are using the mouse for camera anyway

[wide rose]

i think id feel a lot more strain if i had to have both buttons held down

[gentle nova]

But oh well thats when i started playing 15 years ago

The game wasnt this fast

[wide rose]

hmhm im using the fact that i can just change things now and not fight with a decade of muscle memory

[steady lily]

im struggling to push 12s...maybe im playing it wrong.. can someone help..super confused

[gentle nova]

Use wg and sm on cd when theres damage happening, buff your regrowths with rejuvs, keep lbs up and use your sotf procs strategically to top the party with apex

[wide rose]

wait danders frames have mouse over built in

i'm dumb

[gentle nova]

Use yourtranq often and yournconvoke often

Thats basically it

[rustic copper]

Mostly for making it easier but I think there’s bindings you can’t do with default

Personally I have rebound target to a side mouse button and left click is regrowth

Right click is rejuv

Danders looks equivalent but never used

[wide rose]

yea makes sense. i never realized they had it by default i just cliqued. must have had plenty of casts that went through thanks to that too

[thorn plover]

i just rebound my mouse buttons to things that wow lets you keybind

lol

mostly num pad buttons

[wide rose]

i dont have a need for a hard target anymore with mouseover

i guess

unless i had mattiu's setup

[thorn plover]

you will at somepoint

[wide rose]

ok

oh yea well to target ennemies duh

i tend to tab target a lot by habit

bit ass on some pulls

[tough portal]

Idk how you guys play with heals bound only on mouseover and never being able to fully let go of hovering frames for a few seconds

For movement, camera

Nameplates

[whole horizon]

yeah i couldnt stand that

all of my mouseover binds escape to target/self if mouseover fails

[gentle nova]

Yup

@main timber is intellect always gonna be better than secondaries this tier with highish end gear, for upgrading purposes im asking, like if i get a mythic haste mastery ring do i use my crests on that over a int piece

[lyric surge]

mine are all doubled up on heals/damage stuff

[main timber]

Only 1 : 1. Rings should be better than bracers / cape at the very least

[gentle nova]

Alright

What a about crafting a neck whats your opinion

Since the alleria neck is pretty insanely hard to get

[main timber]

Crafts should definitely open up about now. If you have a Myth 2 hander you might want to craft your 2nd Arcanoweave first though

[gentle nova]

Alright cool

[tawny sinew]

Have people been going convoke over tree all season? I haven't been paying close attention, but can anyone give me a brief rundown of the rationale? The really high uptime on tree has felt nice, but I don't know what I'm missing.

[wide rose]

i guess DF also has an option for that, not by default

but you can set it up

[robust crest]

these fallbacks are useless 😄 jfyi

[wide rose]

they seem to work, testing rn

[grizzled seal]

????when did this shit happen

[wide rose]

how so?

[proven phoenix]

What did what happen

It’s had a minute cooldown for a long time

[wide rose]

all my spells default to me without any targets or mo

[night jewel]

Anyone know if the .5 changes will make us use our apex talent again in raids?

[tawny sinew]

I'll rephrase my question. Are people actually going with convoke over tree for raids? Archon makes it seem so, but it seems like the RWF druids have gone tree.

[main timber]

The wowhead guide discusses the choice

But it is fight dependent

[main timber]

It is too broken on PTR to evaluate

[robust crest]

yeah cause they never trigger 😉

or lets say 95 % never ^^

[rustic copper]

Gg

[proven phoenix]

I'm defaulting incarn on every fight now

[rustic copper]

I was double dreamwalking for m0 this season

[proven phoenix]

if I feel like convoke is better after the fact I'll swap

[rustic copper]

Is it 1 min cd on leaving

Or what

[proven phoenix]

yeah

[rustic copper]

Ok

[proven phoenix]

like you press it once, 1 min cd, you can press it again to go where u were

[gentle nova]

Convoke is free rejuvs for us 40rg cpm spammers

True?

[gentle nova]

I tried 2min voke btw its bad for mana

Cooked

[tawny sinew]

Thanks for the reply. The guide discussion contrasted with the archon data just surprised me.

[main timber]

Popularity data always needs to be read carefully

[bright swift]

Crown died

[tough portal]

Goated

Grats

Loot?

[sharp silo]

is frenzied regen very important to take for m+

[bright swift]

garbage!

[sharp silo]

or would you change anything here?

[bright swift]

Turbo good pull

[tough portal]

No

[tough portal]

I would take 2/2 Forestwalk

Love Forestwalk fr

[main timber]

I specced into Starfire like a noob

[gentle nova]

me too

and sunfire

:3

[main timber]

ok I'm not that big a noob

[gentle nova]

just throw a sunfire while the party is getting cranked

chinese meta

[main timber]

No damage no mana build

[tough portal]

I got a chat bot reply to my ticket saying they have confirmed the name Taylorswift is indeed inappropriate

[gentle nova]

wronmg

[tough portal]

So Sunfire doesnt even do damage then

[gentle nova]

good for the starfire spam

[tough portal]

Yk Sunfire is literally less damage per time casting than Starfire if you have that

[gentle nova]

it does900 damage a tick

sure but its 1 insta gcc

d

[main timber]

I get it's cozy to just press 1 button and then heal but the damage is too bad

[tough portal]

You might as well do the real chinese Starfire tech

[short wing]

We need a buff

[gentle nova]

whats the real

[tough portal]

@clever cipher tell him

[main timber]

T3 section is the hardest I think. Would love Forestwalk

[harsh quail]

is that the kotg stuff?

[gentle nova]

?

[tough portal]

Incarn Nature's Bounty alternating Regrowth and Starfire instant casts

[main timber]

Haven't cast Innervate in like 10 keys

[proven phoenix]

I forget mana food sometimes so I have to spec into innervate and ms

[gentle nova]

fluidform in 2026

[proven phoenix]

its important

[harsh quail]

yeah, absolute degen nonsense

[gentle nova]

lmao

[main timber]

Link single target damage

[gentle nova]

link mana

[main timber]

I am always above 90%

[gentle nova]

[main timber]

Mattiu does keys and immediately starts padding

[proven phoenix]

@main timber the project is coming along nicely

[gentle nova]

first pull magister bro

[main timber]

Getting there, need a new trinket asap

[gentle nova]

look at those hots

[tough portal]

"Padding" doing less damage than a regular catweave

[proven phoenix]

thats myth track vessel of souls btw

[main timber]

no...

All good my alt is wearing this

[proven phoenix]

I really dislike how 1/3rd of the dungeon pool is just weapons and shitty trinkets

[main timber]

The damage is adds to my party members is more than Mattiu does on any single target fight

[gentle nova]

you know whats gonna be fun

resto druid in 2 more tiers when i have 70% haste

[main timber]

Resto druid with a real tier set

[proven phoenix]

I like wg tier set

[main timber]

It's fine but not powerful

[gentle nova]

rdruid with an auto rejuv proc tier set

1 button spec

[low iron]

what about a auto double lifebloom that procs rejuv set

[gentle nova]

no

[sharp silo]

what should i get rid of to get forestwalk 2

[gentle nova]

@main timber

[viral forge]

when did they make it impossible to stack reforestation prepull? this reset?

[rustic copper]

167k is a good pull

[gentle nova]

dont look at the fight timer

[rustic copper]

Tree user

[bright swift]

Tree

[rustic copper]

We had a good pull I was 185k last night

[tough portal]

I've tried 4 names and they're all taken

[rustic copper]

But someone inted

[tough portal]

Who tf taking taylor swift song names in Moonrunner man

[carmine glen]

i saw someone with a taylor moon shirt and now i want it

[whole horizon]

is that a taylor swift x sailor moon crossover?

[carmine glen]

yes

[whole horizon]

swift fans have no shame

[silk ice]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[neat patio]

any addons u guys use to track stacks?

[proven phoenix]

what stacks

[neat patio]

like abundance

[proven phoenix]

cdm

I use cdm for reforestation and abundance

[hollow leaf]

@bright swift are you in for bird boss?

[bright swift]

Yes

[hollow leaf]

what other 2 healers you guys running?

[bright swift]

You can't 3 heal anymore probably

[sudden rover]

what's a good rio amount these days

3k4?

I'm only 3k1

[fervent mica]

9001 obv

[thorn whale]

They upped the damage?

Or what

[proven phoenix]

@main timber IM RECORDING NOW I WILL SEND U THE END PRODUCT

[main timber]

[proven phoenix]

terrifying stuff

I hate listening to myself

[main timber]

You get used to it very quickly and then it's fine

[whole horizon]

hearing your own voice is weird but thats what everybody else has heard your entire life

[proven phoenix]

thats even worse man

[worn marsh]

Sorry for asking again, but on Danders frames when I hover people in raid etc I cant see their rio score for example, whats the fix

[main timber]

It's just way more jarring for you yourself since it doesn't match your head canon

[bright swift]

DPS check in egg phase is now impossible

[proven phoenix]

the aug nerfs kinda ruined that fight

[bright swift]

unless you get like 2 more resets of gear

[proven phoenix]

despite the fight nerfs

you just cant kill the egg

[whole horizon]

whoa aug nerfs what

thats the alt im gearing for title push

[proven phoenix]

it doesnt affect m+

they upped ebon might range so you cant stack it on 1 or 2 people to giga burst the egg

[rustic copper]

Stupid strat

[bronze meadow]

Did they patch where you could build reforestation stacks before a raid pull?

[fervent mica]

mmhmm

[gentle nova]

its not

[rustic copper]

Source?

[gentle nova]

3% on the whole raid next week

• vantus

aint no way its impossible

[bright swift]

i said now

[grave zephyr]

yes

[thorn whale]

So you might as well play 1 more heal to live another round or?

[hardy junco]

some guildie spoke about class changes, cant find it on wowhead tho

bait?

[main timber]

Maybe just the 12.0.5 patch notes? Not many healer changes inside though

[rustic copper]

3rd p1 sounds impossible

So no

We’re probably going to 4 heal it this week and send cds on boss

And then next week drop a healer vantus and blow it up

[rustic copper]

I’m feeling like I’m going to be op

In the .5

[main timber]

Pres gets nerfed a bit in raid

[rustic copper]

Already playing apex and bloom maxing

Any healers getting buffed besides us?

[main timber]

Druid hard to predict because the Apex is barely functional on PTR

Pres gets M+ buffs, that's basically it

[hushed sand]

Random question about pandemic timings.. If you SM a HOT, is the pandemic window now higher or is it still based on the default spell time? Additionally, if you were to refresh the HOT within the window, adding up to %30 to the new HOT, is that new pandemic window based on the new, total time or the original base time?

[gentle nova]

op at ticking the raid for 14k healing

[thorn whale]

Makes sense

[main timber]

Need proper data on how Apex sqrts in raid

Since they have about 9 sqrt formulas at this point

[gentle nova]

how the hell do i tranq the intermission in bird

[hushed sand]

Insert awkard bear meme

[gentle nova]

is this get good angle or paradox angle

[steady lily]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2j3nRhWzfyqCcYLA?fight=last

what can i do better? ive been managing so far.

[rustic copper]

If it full splits is it a buff still?

[hushed sand]

You getting interrupted by the pushback? I haven't noticed that yet if that is what you are saying

[main timber]

It won't be that

[gentle nova]

no im saying i will die

[frozen stump]

Did u play LB on Random targets or on Tank in raid ?

[fervent mica]

get to zone instantly, start tranq... hold til last second and bull rush

i guess you could also wild charge... but thats less fun

[thorn plover]

probably get more luck in danders discord

[spark river]

You need to yolo tranq and hope for the best

Its either your color or it isnt

[rustic copper]

So I’m insane mode op

[main timber]

Yeah probably

It's just annoying to get 6 people to login PTR

[rustic copper]

Yeah I’m not doing that even if I was home

[main timber]

And story mode etc are all locked

[rustic copper]

Unlucky

[thorn plover]

what about manaforge story mode

thats how i was testing addon stuff early on

[main timber]

Not available

Even follower dungeons are locked

[bright swift]

ask later and we can try to get some ppl

[thorn plover]

ill update mine, i assume the ptr is cross region?

[main timber]

I'll recheck story mode too

[rustic copper]

Rip an at everyone

[thorn plover]

😬

[main timber]

There is also a chance the sqrt ignores full health targets

Which makes it even more toxic to test

[rustic copper]

That would be insanely strong

[main timber]

Quite a few sqrt effects do this now

[thorn plover]

we all just gotta jump off a cliff at same time

[grave zephyr]

Guys why do we not play Harmonious Blooming according to wowhead guide?? I see tops in R.io are using it, and also removes Regenerative Heartwood to get 30% swiftmend and Nurturing dormancy is gone too... What would be the reasoning? 🙃

for m+

[thorn plover]

lots of the points down there are competitive with eachother. people playing what feels good for them/their comp/their playstyle

[main timber]

I have no idea why people play +swiftmend healing. That spell still does nothing

Nurturing Dormancy I'm quite sure is very good but I didn't expect it to ever be a mainstream choice

[grave zephyr]

and what about harmonious blooming?? maybe tank healing? or focused strong channels in dungeons?

[thorn plover]

still disabled

[wise galleon]

https://questionablyepic.com/live/upgradereport/wqekimnhafhm

hey got 2 sparks and no second embellishment was wondering what should I craft brb should I just get whatever gives me the biggest upgrade rn that cant be m+ farmable? Ill get more sparks eventually before I can craft BiS piece of gear right?

[main timber]

Mastery has heavy DR and your lifebloom target already has 3-4 hots most of the time

It isnt a bad node, just worse than it looks

[whole horizon]

i'd probably craft chest

[proven phoenix]

@main timber I dont have a pop filter so I can hear me breathing and sniffling

god its so bad

[main timber]

You can edit out little bits if you want

[thorn whale]

Haha this is just something you get used to

You’ll hear every small sound you make when listening back to yourself

[grave zephyr]

are wowhead talents a mathematical superior option or personal preference?

is that big Mastery DR?

[wise galleon]

I remember someone saying that chest or some other piece was good crafted and also that wowhead guide had wrong bis crafted gear etc...I know we have good m+ chest so I could totally get a chest in the vault easier then the rest, no?

I usually just simmed and sent it without caring too much in the past because it's unrealistic I'll have the entire bis gear

[whole horizon]

you totally could get a chest in your vault, how long are you going to wait for one?

[zealous scarab]

You could also never get a chest in your vault

[fervent mica]

by the time you have myth track gear in all your slots you will have a lot more sparks. the point is to use them for more power now

[wise galleon]

What about consuming myth crests that are season capped? Is that ever a problem of not having myth crests to upgrade or to get new crafted gear?

[whole horizon]

your cap increases by 100 every week, you only run out if you can't plan for 7 days from today.

[wise galleon]

I'm procrastinating crafting because I'm scared of not doing optimal crafts and ending without myth crests

[whole horizon]

the time for "optimal" crafts was 3 weeks ago

you're behind if you're just thinking about that stuff now, when it really doesn't matter as much

[zealous scarab]

And by the time you have full mythic it is likely going to be turbo boost time so crests are infinite

[wise galleon]

I'm behind the curve

[whole horizon]

you're overthinking it

[fervent mica]

if you get myth items in raid you will run out of crests... this is a buff

[wise galleon]

iam

[whole horizon]

but you're also not, the pressure of crafting the most optimal piece no longer exists for you

the use for that large ilvl boost is gone (pushing hard content when youre undergeared and need all the power you can get)

[cerulean stratus]

paladins deadge

aquired the fat haste mastery ring

[whole horizon]

you can craft whatever you want right now and it will largely make no difference in a week or 2 weeks

send the chest

[thick scarab]

is wildstalker that much better than keeper in m+

[gentle nova]

yes

[rustic copper]

You will get infinite crests later on in the season, either because they uncap it or the season just lasts that long, you are crafting/sending crests for immediate power right now

[thick scarab]

doesnt feel like

[whole horizon]

the wowhead crafting info is correct btw, its only incorrect if you read it incorrectly. bis crafts are based on availability of alternatives, and belt/boots have our weakest stats by far.

there's 2 very good haste/mastery chestpieces you can farm from m+ so it doesn't make sense to craft one unless you're really that downbad.

[gentle nova]

show the hero talents ur playing

[thick scarab]

i mean i prefer playing with the keeper apex

feels better idk

[thorn plover]

why? the play style is the exact same

[fleet jewel]

[lyric surge]

is the danders profile on QE only good foir druid or is there something for monk as well?

[main timber]

Mathematically optimal is awkward in M+ because talents can excel in different scenarios. The wowhead build takes a lot of good synergies and avoids low-value talents but you can still move points around for minimal loss

[sand spruce]

Hey I'm having an issue with the HotTracker addon - im trying to move it around for my ui but it just resets its position every time. Any chance anyone here knows a fix?

[fervent mica]

the apex is the same on both? <_<

[whole horizon]

how are you trying to move it?

[thorn plover]

out of curiosity, what is your scale set at in the settings

[wise galleon]

oki thanks folk

[grave zephyr]

Tyvm for the explanations Voulk 🙂 btw, is this updated in QE?

[main timber]

Yeah

The DR continues after 5 stacks but that should be rare nowadays anyway

[grave zephyr]

Thank you very much, that's very interesting

[bright swift]

yeah this confirms my harmonious blooming argument even more

it's so shit

[sand spruce]

the scale is at 1 at the moment, i havent changed any settings other than locking/unlocking the frame

[main timber]

Yeah considering it often pushes you from 4->6

[bright swift]

a lot of top m+ players play it

and they drop ND

[sand spruce]

unlocking the frame from the addons tab and moving it, not through edit mode or anything

[bright swift]

I finished raid btw Voulk. Got time to get a PTR team ?

[grave zephyr]

yeah thats why i was asking hahhaha

but seems it's not that good

[bright swift]

yeah it's shit

@main timber

[bright swift]

.

[main timber]

Probably can't PTR right now, and also I want to ask the dev what formula is expected first

[rustic copper]

Dropping 6s nd

Criminals

[bright swift]

yeah

[rancid portal]

Guys is convoke the new raid meta? since every guid says TOL

[main timber]

Yeah I dont get it at all

You can very easily sit at high rejuv stacks the entire key for minimal GCds

[main timber]

Read the talents section of the guide instead of just looking at build. It discusses this choice. It'll vary on a boss by boss basis

[sacred wasp]

Interesting, and does it hard cap at 5? So in m+ you wouldn't rejuv your lb target when ramping for damage because with lb (3x mastery talent) + wg and regrowth they'd be capped?

ignoring the healing from rejuv

[lyric surge]

not a hard cap

we jsut onyl have so many hots we can apply to a target

[main timber]

I will add a 6 to the chart since it's relevant in this situation

[sacred wasp]

add a 7!

[silk ice]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[sacred wasp]

NOOOOOOO

[silk ice]

You can’t convince me that wasn’t your intention

[lyric surge]

technically goes up to 8 if every hot we have available is on the target with HB isn't it?

[thorn plover]

i submitted feedback on the ptr about not being able to test anything because no follower dungeons no story mode

[fervent mica]

3 +rej +rej +reg +wg ??

[thorn plover]

i await my ai response

[fervent mica]

what am i missing

[lyric surge]

LB(3) + rej + rej + wg + rg + symb bloom

[fervent mica]

truuuuee

[main timber]

Frenzied Regen...

[lyric surge]

XD totally forgot that one

so 9

[silk ice]

Cultivation?

[fervent mica]

the hidden mastery stack is the deadliest

not a hot

[lyric surge]

cult is no longer a hot

[main timber]

Not a hot

[silk ice]

Oh

[lyric surge]

WHI is a different id than frenzied isn't it? can you have both at once?

[silk ice]

Multiple stacks of symb bloom doesn’t count does it

[fervent mica]

nah

[lyric surge]

no

it only counts for the hero talent that makes it give +20% healing

[jovial tartan]

how do you guys manage to do catweaving and keep everyone alive? i feel forced to choose between the two 🙁

[fervent mica]

practice

[thorn plover]

good groups and practice

dungeon knowledge

[lyric surge]

gotta weave healing and cat stuff XD

[fervent mica]

eventually you learn how to trust your hots

[lyric surge]

not trying ot be facetious

[jovial tartan]

i wish we had trash timers

[fervent mica]

i wish i had a personal taco bell in my kitchen

[thorn plover]

RIP your toilet

[ruby inlet]

Do you guys like Symbiotic Relationship? haven't played with it in m+ yet but in other dungeon content, it doesnt feel like it's doing much

[fervent mica]

does more than most things in the class tree... even if its next to nothing

[ruby inlet]

fair. i was about to point out, i dont know what i'd replace it with lol

[elder spoke]

question about skyreach last boss add skip

do you have macro for travel form wild charge to skip the add? does that macro even work?
or do you manually travel form into charge

[whole horizon]

what add skip are you talking about? im confused.

[grand herald]

the guys dropping you off the ledge

[inner sonnet]

you can skip it?

[whole horizon]

you just let yourself get dropped and leap back?

[inner sonnet]

ah

[spark river]

If you mean the winds after third boss, then you jump to the right and wild charge forward to make the skip

[whole horizon]

that doesnt involve any adds though...

[spark river]

If you are talking about last boss add, you can skip with wild charge also, but its harder

Those are the only 'skips' im aware off

[hardy canopy]

do not try to do the skip imo

the kidnap skip i mean

[spark river]

Its something you would only do at the highest keys

[whole horizon]

waiting for someone to explain how its executed

[hardy canopy]

just tell them to kill your bird

[spark river]

Not worth it otherwise

[hardy canopy]

you travel form wild charge

[whole horizon]

after you get dropped?

i thought it killed you instantly

[spark river]

nah

you can pixel jump it

[grand herald]

most classes can skip it in some form

[whole horizon]

that means priest can grip it?

[hardy canopy]

the problem is

ppl are dying to laser

and you have to execute two non-healing gcds

[whole horizon]

wild charge is off gcd

shift+charge+cancelform is just a single gcd

[hardy canopy]

can you macro travel form into charge

that's a gamechanger then

[tough portal]

Cant you friendly WC if someone is close to the edge?

[silk ice]

No path found

[whole horizon]

it probably wont work bc of spellqueue and shifting lag

[hardy canopy]

i tried you get no path available

[proven phoenix]

I dont think the travel form wc thing works tbh

have any of u guys done it successfully recently

[tough portal]

I see people fail it more than I see it done right

I also play at 175ms so I dont think I'll be trying it

[rustic copper]

Tiger dash users

[hardy canopy]

same

just let them kill it it's not hard lol

[tough portal]

I already take Maim for it

[whole horizon]

nice to know its possible

what do you drop for maim

[tough portal]

Uh idk primal fury?! Idk what you have selected

[hasty knot]

Hello, I have a question. Is it bad to use gaze and locus walker trinkets together?(for raid) Asking because both are mastery trinkets

[spark river]

worked on beta

im not aware of any patching on that

[hardy canopy]

wyrnstone from aug works for the bird kidnap btw

[proven phoenix]

u can weyrnstone instantly

it just breaks the grip

lmfao

[elder spoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3IFROEr6W8&t=1361s

Im just wondering if macro for travel form wc works

Or does it need to be done manually

[whole horizon]

i wouldnt macro bc of spellqueue lag/shifting lag

if you macro shapeshift and an ability, its 50/50 you attempt to cast the ability before the shapeshift occurs

it wont be a reliable button

[strange oriole]

Hey, I'm looking for a good, clear Plater profile. Do you know of any good websites where I can find some? Thanks!

[hardy canopy]

/cast Travel Form
/cast [form:5] Wild Charge
this would stop the macro from trying to wild charge if you're not in travel form

[fervent mica]

in theory

in function... this is wow

[cedar trench]

I have been using https://wago.io/ak3iS95aa

[fervent mica]

it'll do what it wants

[whole horizon]

right, so if you the game doesnt register you shapeshifting then wild charge still doesnt cast until it does

no matter what you either have to mash your macro or mash wild charge

[teal bluff]

do i always wanna nature's swiftness right before convoke in raid?

[gentle nova]

Yea

[fervent mica]

easy to macro it in

[whole horizon]

something has been canceling my convoke recently and i moved away from my macro until i can troubleshoot

it was just /use ns /use 13 /use convoke

[fervent mica]

add cqs

[teal bluff]

is it because the 60% applies to all convoke regrowths?

[fervent mica]

and it should be fine

[whole horizon]

it has cqs at the end

[hushed sand]

I've actually noticed mine getting cancelled a few times over the last couple of weeks. Keep forgetting to investigate

[whole horizon]

its just been since i got vaelgor's so i need to look at a log

[fervent mica]

i have it at the begining... haven't had an issue

[whole horizon]

oh? everytime ive seen cqs its at the end of a macro

i even had [nochanneling] convoke to make sure it wasnt some convoke shenanigans

ill try putting it at the beginning, it makes sense with the reports of other class' queued spells casting on a delay

[tough portal]

This doesnt do anything, you need [nochanneling] on the trinket

And NS

[whole horizon]

u right

[vague gyro]

how do you add nochanelling to the trinket ? /use [nochanneling] 13 ?

[whole horizon]

i thought spamming a channeled spell canceled it. didnt we use !Convoke in macros at some point for that reason?

[short arrow]

whats the best target for symbiotic relationship`? 🙂 new to druid

[whole horizon]

yeah

[vague gyro]

thx

[tough portal]

I dont know, dont think so. This is for toggle spells usually,

[ornate cloak]

vaelgors macro'd in tranq or separate key

[naive chasm]

What do people think about litany? I just got heroic track version from the dungeon weekly quest. I am unsure if I should swap it in replacing drum of renewed bonds, QE live seems to indicate they are about equal at ilvl276

seems a bit awkward to use

[bright swift]

it's very akward to use, especially in m+

[spring burrow]

Where is the reccommended build? It's looking like from lorrgs everyone uses convoke but I dont see that in any guides

[echo token]

Hey sorry to bother with questions but I've seen this "catalyst" gear on some BIS lists, is that something you do with spark dust? (I'm completely new to wow, i've only done 1-50 in classic servers before)

[fervent mica]

it lets you turn items into your tier set. you gain 1 charge every other week naturally

[bright swift]

Who knows bro

[echo token]

I'm item level 264.56 rn and i have 2 dawnlight manaflux? I thought it was spark dust lol

[spring burrow]

lmao im glad im on the same page then. I see rdruids pumping but i cant recreate that lol

[bright swift]

that's not a build issue

I promise you that

[grizzled seal]

Look at your cpm

[grizzled seal]

That's why you aren't pumping

[bright swift]

5.9 CPM WG

[spring burrow]

Fair, you're definitiely right

[bright swift]

[pastel dragon]

dream of Cenarius goated!?!?!

[bright swift]

no?

[gentle nova]

I pumpd

[pastel dragon]

i know it was a playful joke but was fun to play witrh in a low key lol

[grizzled seal]

OWNED THEM

[gentle nova]

3?

[grizzled seal]

yeah that's how you own them

fourth one died

[gentle nova]

Im gonna own on bird

Underheal fight gg

(I will die channeling tranq)

[bright swift]

bird looks like a convoke fight

[grizzled seal]

strategic parsing for you

[bright swift]

Radiant echoes hurts

[grizzled seal]

learn from me to get a good log

quick fingers on ressing a dpser instead of a healer

[gentle nova]

Thats big brain

[pastel dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[gentle nova]

Whats that

[nova torrent]

You got a macro for that? Thanks in advance ❤️

[bright swift]

when bird swaps color

fuck there's no public logs

I can't check

[gentle nova]

Yeah but ainnoway im not tranquing both intermissions

[grizzled seal]

northern sky?

[bright swift]

uh

uh

I guess I ramp for intermission, not for radiant

[gentle nova]

Yup

Radiant doesnt seem that bad to heal

[bright swift]

it is man

[gentle nova]

Like natty

[bright swift]

it hurts so much

[gentle nova]

Did you pull

[bright swift]

no

[spring burrow]

Have they make a cursor addon to track lifebloom? like the old WA

[bright swift]

I've watched a lot of rwf and fsy pulls on it

oh wait

it's called Voidlight Convergence

[gentle nova]

Didnt they nerf it lol

[bright swift]

they didn't nerf that

[cerulean stratus]

r ppl playing photo on alleria for absorbs or

[bright swift]

I'm playing photo but I never moved LB

i'm not playing apex anyway

[grizzled seal]

I think I am dropping apex on it too

seemed pretty shit

[opaque frost]

Wonder if they fix the apex

[clever cipher]

I was sleep

[cerulean stratus]

girl

[wide rose]

should i shadowmeld for the big pull after the first boss of magisters terrace, i took aggro and got destroyed in one run. that has never happened on other runs of the dungeon but i dont want to jump to blame tank

[cerulean stratus]

i think ill try no photo on alleria

and convoke ms

[gentle nova]

Its tank issue but just meld on cd anyway

[wide rose]

ok sure

tank issue but i could do smt about it tldr

[grizzled seal]

how is it so bad

I am dropping it, fuck it

[fervent mica]

that seems so low?

wtf

[naive chasm]

honestly so many M+ tanks I have come across who do a big pull but don't actually take aggro properly

[wide rose]

does meld just insta wipe the aggro i have or does it take a little bit

[grizzled seal]

I cant keep it on the tank

[wide rose]

been an issue for me ya

[grizzled seal]

since they just swap constantly

[clever cipher]

boy

[naive chasm]

I think it is basically instant

[gentle nova]

It wipes but if you are the only one in the agro table it resets to you

[wide rose]

i hate when they body pull everything but i'll shadowmeld more often early pull

[wide rose]

ok yea so i would need to stay in meld until he actually damages them

[gentle nova]

Just get ahead of the tank

[naive chasm]

I try to just keep up with the tank running ahead

but sometimes they still don't do enough

[gentle nova]

Not so ahead that you will get slapped

[wide rose]

yea that's like, so annoying to do sometimes

that dungeon's pulls are evil

the bosses are w/e

[naive chasm]

I hate seat the most I think

[proven phoenix]

play incarn

[gentle nova]

Shouldve played df s1 bosses

Bis

[pulsar kettle]

ruby life pools the goat

[bright swift]

why

[wide rose]

i heard df/ww m+ was fucked up yes

[naive chasm]

I think MT and WS are my fav dungeons atm

but people still fuck up the first boss on MT

[wide rose]

i like xenus point and windspire a lot

[gentle nova]

If you ask dps players theyll tell u those are the easiest ones lmao

[wide rose]

hate skyreach, i actually dont mind seat

pit is kinda easy but idm it

[naive chasm]

I feel like dps never notice the barrels on left side of xenas

I probably just need to ping them earlier

[wide rose]

also i think i need a new mouse

corsair mouse program is software terrorism

iCUE or w/e

[wide rose]

tru

[naive chasm]

I probably need new CPU but I built this PC 6 years ago and can't be bothered remembering how to dismantle it

[true jungle]

Anyone have a pov for mythic dragons?

[gentle nova]

Are you getting spatial?

@bright swift

Forgot to ping lmao

Idk how to tranq intermission not sure if its enough

Time

[bright swift]

On bird?

i haven't even made cds mate

we don't know what healer comp we even play

[marsh prism]

💛 💛 💛 💛 💛 💛 💛 💛 GUMO BABY

[dense moss]

Is there any way to track if you are in tree form from reforestation proc? It's not an issue in m+ but in raid its often really hard to see that my character is a tree. As far as I can tell its not possible with the cooldown manager.

[spark river]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Wd2cXJBfHZjY4P6r?fight=last&type=healing&source=8

Wtf i love regrowth

[whole horizon]

search youtube for vrocas_

@true jungle

[true jungle]

Yeah I've got his I'm watching

[whole horizon]

idk any others tbh, i only care to watch a fight once or twice before ive done it myself for the first time

[dense moss]

Do you know what he is using for cooldown and buff tracking?

[cerulean stratus]

@bright swift

[bright swift]

what is cooldown and buff tracking

[dense moss]

This part of the UI

[undone sonnet]

Gut check on strength of Light of the Cosmic Crescendo for M+? Is the dmg component worthwhile at all?

[bright swift]

ArcUI

[dense moss]

❤️

[hardy canopy]

i think its the better option after gaze, ribbon and final stare

and litany too i forgot

[main timber]

The damage component does nothing

[undone sonnet]

healing component looks strong on QE live, though - correct?

[hardy canopy]

does anyone know if its possible to track trinket stacks?

[next mist]

When phased orange name

[proven phoenix]

[bright swift]

@proven phoenix playing tree on bird

👍

[proven phoenix]

what made u swap

[bright swift]

can't fucking stand still in intermission

need to be a tree

[abstract tulip]

doing the march bosses tonight is there any spec changes for that dungeon? i havnt tried embrace the dream yet. ive got 4 set, i got 270+ ilvl

[plain rampart]

Guys, I don't get the value for this macro. It's on method's page.
Could someone explain it?

Nature’s Swiftness & Convoke Macro
This macro automatically uses Nature's Swiftness before Convoke, helping you maximize its impact without risking an interruption to the channel.

#showtooltip Convoke the Spirits
/cast [nochanneling] Nature's Swiftness
/cast Convoke the Spirits
/cqs

[weak quarry]

Any regrowths that you cast during convoke get the +healing buff from NS without actually consuming NS itself

[plain rampart]

oh, that's some value, nice thanks

[weak quarry]

Yw!

[marble talon]

is it smart to macro convoke and innervate?

[grand herald]

no

[bright swift]

?

convoke is free

[marble talon]

this is why i ask thank you

[grand herald]

you want to use innervate on your ramp

when you are spreading rejuvs

[abstract tulip]

ive been having a hard time making sure i have enough hots out and use wildgrowth before i convoke

[marble talon]

rl used to play resto druid and likes to give me tips that i'm not sure are relevant anymore

[grand herald]

i uh

am not sure that has been right in the last ~5 years

[bright swift]

it has never been right

convoke has always been free

[abstract tulip]

@marble talon just put raid logs in the wowanlyzer and read what it recommends

[carmine glen]

what patch do we get our reworked apex? do we know yet?

[bright swift]

2 weeks

[carmine glen]

damn I thought it was longer, cool thanks

[abstract tulip]

apex has saved me a few times in m+ with the tank

but i dont see the value as much in raid

[grand herald]

well

its about to be busted in raid

[abstract tulip]

feels like all my heals just get snipe in raid

[bright swift]

We'll see about that

[grand herald]

yeah, barring no other changes

[bright swift]

The scaling might just be shit

[zealous scarab]

Yeah, we don't know what the numbers will look like

[gentle nova]

It cant be shit

[earnest abyss]

what are they doing to it>?

[gentle nova]

Every sm you just heal 5 players for 50k each + whatwver else the sqrt scaling is

[grand herald]

i mean, even with the scaling of 5 players

its great right

even if it doesnt scale past that it would be good

[next blaze]

Whats the apex changes thats coming in .5?

[gentle nova]

Yes its gonna be a 250k heal + the diminishing on other 15 players in one gcd

Pretty insane.

[grand herald]

its no longer 2 people get the splash from LB blooms

its everyone

[gentle nova]

Well not quite rn its all of lb healing

[fierce isle]

anyone have a link to the comprehensive list of class changes coming with the .5 patch:?

I can't find them

[whole horizon]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/2270121-1205-ptr-development-notes/

[next blaze]

That's pretty strong no?

Even more so in keys

[grand herald]

well

in keys its somewhat neutral

[whole horizon]

that's what everybody has been implying

[grand herald]

still a gain

[tough portal]

Yeah it's just a 15% healing buff in keys lol

Just 3x as strong

No biggie

[next blaze]

I mea. Hitting all 5 is better then hitting only 2 or 3

[whole horizon]

yup, and its a big buff in raid

[grand herald]

well itd only be 2x as strong for the blooms right?

[bright swift]

Well they just nerfed Beloren again lol

[grand herald]

wait no

i forgot how bad our current apex is compared

its 30% to 2 people

bruh thats wild

[bright swift]

our current apex is crazy for m+

[gentle nova]

Its all lb healing tho

Not just blooms

[main timber]

Yeah but also the healing is bloom dominant anyway

Particularly when you are in danger

[gentle nova]

Ye

Idk what they tryna do

[next blaze]

Is this a healing gain in keys? Sounds like it is

[gentle nova]

Yes

[main timber]

A substantial one

[next blaze]

How big is the final bloom compared to just 30% of the healing splashing to 2 people tho?

[grand herald]

yeah, the difference is just wild

[main timber]

#resto message

[grand herald]

60 x 4 vs 30 x 2

[next blaze]

Ic

[thorn plover]

bird boss nerfs

[gentle nova]

[bright swift]

this does nothing still

[main timber]

Isnt this still a weird direction?

[bright swift]

yes

they don't get it

[main timber]

RWF guilds get to play 2 eggs and now everyone else has to play the cancer third P1?

[thorn plover]

what an odd change

lol

[gentle nova]

Unlikely bro

[abstract tulip]

oil of dawn or phoenix oil for raid?

[bright swift]

third P1 is just unplayable apparently

[main timber]

Phoenix oil, not close

[gentle nova]

You dont think 3% on everyone will make it pretty easy to 2 egg?

Plus most guilds vantused crown anyway

[main timber]

Sure maybe but they made it more difficult and are now making weird changes instead of just nerfing egg health

[bright swift]

i think you overestimage aug damage before this change

[carmine glen]

The new apex says something different on PTR, thats weird

[main timber]

What does it say

[bright swift]

let's test apex

everyone log on ptr

right now

[main timber]

I'm going raid

But report the results

[gentle nova]

I feel like it will just fall over

Next week

[gentle nova]

And 2nd p1 just got easier to heal

[carmine glen]

up to 8 with no overflow to the raid

[bright swift]

oh wtf

[main timber]

Huh, that's even more OP

[earnest abyss]

where does it say they are changing the apex talent ?

[bright swift]

LMAO

[carmine glen]

why is that different from the notes? Blizzard

[pulsar kettle]

[carmine glen]

am I going crazy

[gentle nova]

They jusr changed it maybe

[main timber]

It's also 5 -> 3 on the rank 4

[gentle nova]

They nerfed blooming frenzy

Went from 5 to 3

Gg

Time to play 3 apex

And phosy

[bright swift]

i mean

unironically?

[gentle nova]

Yes

You play no refo liveliness and phosy

[thorn plover]

when did they change the apex again

[gentle nova]

Easy

[gentle nova]

Ok this is crazy

[main timber]

This is still OP

[bright swift]

something like this

[gentle nova]

2 tv is mandatory man

[main timber]

PhoSy is mandatory now too

[gentle nova]

But could be

[bright swift]

if you play ToL reforest is mandatory

maybe?

[main timber]

Great our tree is fucked again

[thorn plover]

quick voulk, fix it

[gentle nova]

Apex 4 just sucks now

Xd

[idle lake]

anyone know what time on eu the delve stories rotate ?

[gentle nova]

Unless it profs from convoke

[bright swift]

depends on how much it does with the cleave

[main timber]

Someone test convoke, I had to log out PTR

[rustic copper]

explain why we aren't forced to take apex 4

[bright swift]

omw

[thorn plover]

im on the ptr too if you need a body

[gentle nova]

It does 3 blooms now and u need phosy

[rustic copper]

do we know what our apex bloom cleave does now?

[main timber]

60% to 8 targets

[rustic copper]

ok so they x4 apex 2-3?

is that real?

[main timber]

But restricted it to blooms only which is fine

This does give them a lever to tune between content types. Druid OP in M+ = add targets but reduce %

[rustic copper]

so it doesn't interact with apex 4?

[grand herald]

x8 for the blooms 🙂

[rustic copper]

ahhh

[main timber]

It does, it's blooms from anywhere

Just not the HoT

[rustic copper]

it used to be all lb

[main timber]

Yep

[rustic copper]

I thought it was blooms only already

[gentle nova]

[main timber]

PhoSy is more blooms per minute than Apex 4

[idle lake]

do you take 4/4 apex talent on live

[main timber]

If you do have to choose

[rustic copper]

raw healing right

[main timber]

Yep

[rustic copper]

looks like the lower one is blooms

am I not going to be op?

[main timber]

Should still be a nice gain

The multiplier is very big

[bright swift]

my ptr keeps crashing when I log in

[gentle nova]

no

play prosp and phosy

[bright swift]

bro i'm not playing prosperity

[gentle nova]

and stack crit to top the raid with crit blooms

[rustic copper]

prosp idk man

I don't think bloom maxing is better than regrowth spamming

it's a nice little side thing

[main timber]

The problem is that it's tough to take Apex 4 + all Regrowth / rejuv talents

[gentle nova]

it looks like its gonna be the main thing rn

its not

[silk ice]

2 min voke

[gentle nova]

new meta

[main timber]

[gentle nova]

great minds think alike

[bright swift]

2 min convoke you guys are cooked man

[rustic copper]

every talent point in my screenshot is required

I will not hear any arguments

[main timber]

I have just one argument for you

[main timber]

#resto message

[rustic copper]

2 min convoke with NS regrowth preramp

holy moly

[carmine glen]

those screen shots make me itchy

[rustic copper]

he doesn't think

he copied me

[gentle nova]

look at last night convo

[rustic copper]

he has been enlightened by regrowth spam

[gentle nova]

but yeah

i have

[thorn plover]

convoke doesnt seem to proc it

[rustic copper]

convoke procs NB

[bright swift]

@thorn plover are you online

[thorn plover]

ya

[rustic copper]

ns convoke with NB goes absolutely insane mode

[bright swift]

Vrocas (horde)

[narrow ruin]

grid2 did something again

rejuv 10m

[bright swift]

I have that sometimes

goes away after a little while

[thorn plover]

after 10m

[main timber]

There we go, there's the real nerf

[thorn plover]

lol

[rustic copper]

beloren nerfs

now we fucked up our vantus

[abstract tulip]

did they nerf beloren on heroic as well or just mythic?

[thorn plover]

myth, why does it need heroic nerfs?

[bright swift]

heroic is insanely easy

[abstract tulip]

just curious i havnt read any articles lol

[main timber]

They did do some heroic nerfs on the last weekly reset

[grizzled kayak]

what % haste & mast we should aim for

[main timber]

There are no goals like that for this or most specs

You will do well by just getting haste / mastery on every slot

Can use QE Live for specific sets

[bright swift]

@main timber assuming 25% overheal (same as efflo), Photo cleaves with apex would have done around 12M healing on my cosmos fight

out of my 88M right now

[thorn plover]

brb vrocas

[pulsar kettle]

the aura nerf following is gonna be great

[marsh prism]

@blissful wing

[bright swift]

who dis

[marsh prism]

please respect my privacy.

[bright swift]

Which would be like 13.5% of my total healing

this is all very rough napkin math (and i'm bad at math)

the apex 4 is 3 blooms per swiftmend use

so that would be

[main timber]

They do want it to be good in raid

[proven phoenix]

fartdorf

[bright swift]

132 blooms, compared to 159 from photo

that sounds really good too man

@gentle nova

that's another 10 mil healing

so apex 4, not counting apex 1 (lol it's so fucking bad now) with photo

is 22M healing if it overhealed for 25% (same as efflo)

[rustic copper]

is it smart

[bright swift]

that's like 42k hps

[rustic copper]

holy moly

[bright swift]

yes

[tough portal]

Is this just counting 5 targets?