resto

[thorn plover]

niko said if logs werent private our heads would explode

cant wait

[bright swift]

what why

[thorn plover]

have to ask him

[bright swift]

@rustic copper

[chilly dawn]

Hello there.
When "Ramping" before Convoke or Tranq, should i keep alternate between Rejuv and Regrowth casts (depending on abondance stacks) or should i focus on higher number of Rejuvs only?

[bright swift]

Rejuvs

[spark river]

Is niko just ragebaiting

Because I would do that 100%

[wispy bison]

Hey guys, quick question, I'm doing well with my resto druid but I'd like to know what is your priority target for symbiotic relation ?

[hushed sand]

Thinking through this...I get that IB will summon a dryad that will provide CDR on SM, but where does the 4th SM come from by :18? Maybe my math isn't working, but are both charges going to be back up by then? Secondly, I don't see him hitting IB at all. Is it possible, or feasible, that he hit is pre-pull? Again, I'm really just trying to better understand advanced concepts here and not really compare or try to exactly replicate this insane log.

[whole horizon]

squishy dps or another healer. someone who benefits from the extra buffer to keep themselves alive

[lyric surge]

the first refo didn't come until 0:27
https://i.imgur.com/hALbhed.png

[tough portal]

Alas, logs are private so I'm afraid it's ragebait

[hushed sand]

Am I an idiot thinking that what I'm seeing on lorrgs.io is actual instead of just a "plan"?

[lyric surge]

What od you mean?

lorrgs is showing what happened in the logs

[hushed sand]

So, what I posted was a screenshot from lorrgs.io. I did glance at his logs, but honestly didn't realize what you just pointed out.

[lyric surge]

yeah I know it was lorrgs. That's how I found the log XD You can click the person's name on there to go to the log

[still cairn]

A question regarding creafted gear:
I had crafted the loa Worshipers band as I tought I´d play boomie, but I find myself enjoying resto more. should i still be using the ring as resto? or use the embellishment slot for smth else?

[tough portal]

Is lorrgs just showing Refo timers based on Swiftmend cast count and they're still counting it as every 3 Swiftmends instead of 4?

[gentle charm]

i mean ilvl is ilvl

[tough portal]

Could that be the case lol

[hushed sand]

yes sir. I'm looking at the actual log deeper trying to figure out why it shows different

[tough portal]

Who do we talk to to fix this lmao that's really funny

[lyric surge]

oh I see now the problem.. my lorrg's didn't even have refo showing; I jsut went there to grab the log itself ><

wow

[bright swift]

wait what

[tough portal]

0:18 matches the 3rd Swiftmend cast

[vernal bane]

Thoughts on Thalassian Phoenix Torque (Crafted neck)? Is the crafted neck worth it than the recommended arcano weave or nah?

[lyric surge]

I wonder if viserio would add refo procs to the wowutils version

[thorn plover]

ilvl doesnt matter on rings really

[lyric surge]

Also, lorrg's is calling that 18s refo proc #2

[still cairn]

thought so too.. i have nice haste/mastery rings, so i really dunno if i should ditch the loa band

[main timber]

No it's really bad

[silver anvil]

is the moonkin form build more dmg then catweaving now?

[thorn plover]

no

[gentle nova]

Refo at 18-20 is possible with a dryad

You can force a dryad with ib or you can rng one out

Convoke will give a charge bacl

Also

But if you wanna save convoke (for example for nexus king) you need a dryad

[reef tendon]

hey there. does Crucible of Erratic Energies have to be fully console upgraded to be worth it or 3 unlocks should be ok?

[main timber]

You really want all 3 if you're playing it as resto

[reef tendon]

which ones at this point?

[thorn plover]

top ones

the bottom ones are for world content only arent they

[pulsar kettle]

read them, read the trinket

[thorn plover]

reading???? not allowed here

[reef tendon]

[tough portal]

[silk ice]

[minor void]

Do you guys have a good plater profile for mythic+ ?

[silk ice]

Blizzard tooltips are bad, you should never read them

[reef tendon]

i cant get all the first 3 thats why i asked, maybe some of the choices could weight more than others

[silk ice]

[silk ice]

Afk stormarion assault and get the catchup ones

[reef tendon]

tyty ❤️

[tough portal]

The increased strength one is the weakest upgrade

[thorn plover]

Jundies

[tough portal]

Higher proc rate and longer duration are better

[silk ice]

Yeah, we use int, not strength

[minor void]

thx !

[true jungle]

wierd question but im doing so much more hps on chimaerus than I am on the other fights, im assuming because being able to stack mastery on 10 people is way easier than the entire raid

since the groups are split, its easier to stack multiple hots

should I just do the same on other bosses?

only focus on stacking hots on 2 groups

[whole horizon]

no

the people in the other groups also take damage and have to do mechanics

[bright swift]

Chimaerus just has a lot of rot

we are very good on rot

[reef tendon]

is the catchup confirmed btw?

[hushed sand]

I'm watching the replay in slow motion right now. :18 is his 3rd cast of SM which gives him 3 stacks of Refo. I'm going to assume lorrg's is just showing a stack gained and not when Incarn happens. Which, I think is what you are also saying. I think this boils down to me just not understanding logs well enough because I guess this is pretty much common sense. Refo is not Incarn. Refo results in Incarn at 4 stacks.

[midnight mural]

What am i doing wrong? I cannot keep a monk alive during the first full room pull of Algethar Academy. All the hots, all the cds..and they die. is it me?

[gentle charm]

gotta kite maybe

[lyric surge]

I'm honestly not sure what lorrg's is tryign to say by labelling that 18s refo as #2. My assumption was that it thinks that't he second time refo has procced

[gentle charm]

or just split it up

[tough portal]

That pull has a stacking dot on the tank

If the tank doesnt reset it kiting

Then it eventually is not healable

[lyric surge]

In other news, Viserio said he'll look into adding refo procs to wowutils WCL filter, so that might help

[tough portal]

No finger pointing, ofc, logs would be needed to say if anyone coulda done anything to help and didn't

[silk ice]

I got one on my alt’s stormarion box, idk if its 100% drop rate

[reef tendon]

ye i think only the 1st one dropds

[tough portal]

I think it's just 1 per week yeah

[uneven sparrow]

So i can probably get away with running tree still? feels easier to play. I know I should learn convoke and just have good timings and im working on that just very new to rdruid raid healing

[bright swift]

you can for sure get away with tree

[pastel dragon]

whats the consesnus on prosperity vs verdant infusion in M+ (around 14/15 key levels)

[hushed sand]

It appears that it is representing Refo stack #3 which means "Incarn is ready"?

[lyric surge]

[hushed sand]

Seems to line up with the timing when he hits 3 stacks each time

[silk ice]

Maybe because they have better healing management and don’t step on each others toes as much? I feel like I need Convoke to actually gobble healing during damage events

[bright swift]

Maybe yeah

but tree just isn't bursty enough to solo mechs

[pulsar kettle]

prosp is better

[lyric surge]

Even if htat's what it's doing, it's not very helpful since it doesn't show when the actual buff is up

[silk ice]

Yeah, it’s just a flat healing profile, which doesn’t work when your cohealers snipe you, but is probably amazing if they let your hots do their thing

[pastel dragon]

ok thanks ill try that more, makes sense with the ability to trigger more blooms

[tough portal]

There's no consensus bro wdym what's the consensus

[pulsar kettle]

[pastel dragon]

well ive been running VI ill try prosperity for a bit see how i feel

[pulsar kettle]

sorry ill go write a quick decertation about prosp vs vi in keys

[pastel dragon]

dont forget to publish for peer review

[tough portal]

No ofc I mean Prosp is goated

But like... in 3 days comatoast was gonna come back and yell at random people in chat about why they were told Prosp was the consensus when 70% of logs are using VI

You already know it

[pulsar kettle]

ill ignore that bridge when we attempt to cross it

[silk ice]

Dissertation?

[pastel dragon]

im not good at yelling at people im just a quiet little tree

[hushed sand]

Appreciate the help this morning guys.

[jovial sand]

With the two different builds (apex/no apex) is there any of the two that leans more towards either incarn or convoke? Or can apex/no apex and incarn/convoke be combined freely?

[tough portal]

No I dont think there's any particular synergy

I mean there is, Convoke can Swiftmend and proc more Everblooms, but also Incarn+Apex builds get an extra healing talent by not needing MS, in theory

[jovial sand]

I often struggle a bit onlonger fights with mana (so need to play smarter) but I would also not like to pick abuild that is going to make me having an ever harder time with mana. Which one would you recommend?

[tough portal]

Incarn with MS is the best mana you can get, I suppose. In that case you probably go no Apex.

But I'm not sure, I don't raid.

[tough portal]

And then if you aren't finding a need to make use of MS, you just drop it for Liveliness, or go Convoke?!

[pulsar kettle]

convoke apexless with ms feels very comfy on mana

[inner sonnet]

@bright swift sorry for ping, just watched your kill vid on Chim and saw you had LB on your warrior tank the entire fight, even upstairs, was that just for habit for adds?

[bright swift]

tanks take damage and they are with melee

it's good

[jovial sand]

Thanks for the advice!

[inner sonnet]

ok thanks ❤️

[rustic copper]

I was owning on paladins

We had several low wipes and every one I was doing big number

[bright swift]

Build?

[rustic copper]

Same build I always play, apex convoke, logged out in it but not at pc

Regrowth spam

[bright swift]

You always play apex?

[proven phoenix]

im playing apex incarn

[bright swift]

why incarn

[rustic copper]

Yes

[proven phoenix]

I tried playing convoke, literally couldnt get a single regrowth off while dodging and tilt talented incarn

[rustic copper]

[bright swift]

idk man

you have convoke for every radiance

[proven phoenix]

im ngl I think healing on that boss is just fake if you're 6 healing

[bright swift]

playing tree sounds incredibily int

[proven phoenix]

every wipe is to dps

or dps balance

its so finnicky, we kill the first guy too early sometimes too late

sometimes we dont have damage for the 2 after

its just so frustrating

[bright swift]

I might actually try no reforest

So this

[proven phoenix]

that seems fine

[idle lake]

anyone know what the addon is echo is using that shows raid buffs at the top of your screen?

[proven phoenix]

I played reforest no photo

[proven phoenix]

buff reminders

[bright swift]

Photo does an insane amount on this log i'm looking at

• Verdancy

• Everbloom

[proven phoenix]

I'll try it

im just emo man

the boss should've died

we inted

I dont even feel like trying new things

[tough portal]

Dont be like that pp

Maybe next boss you'll overperform and kill 40 pulls earlier than expected

[bright swift]

so kill cosmos in 5 pulls?

[proven phoenix]

lmfao

I'm bored of voidspire ngl

I wanna go march

[tough portal]

We already in april bro keep up

[proven phoenix]

[tough portal]

[silk ice]

[rustic copper]

Did you full vantus paladins?

[bright swift]

We probably will yeah

we aren't there yet

We have dragons left

[rustic copper]

We did but idk if crown is going to be easier anymore

[inland flax]

In general, is Rejuv or Regrowth better for SOTF?

[bright swift]

We have a lot of alts on Paladins

so we can vantus on a lot

healers surely just vantus too

idk we only have 2 raids left on this week

goal is to kill paladins

if we kill it today that's even better since we miss a healer sunday

[bright jolt]

If that’s my paladins log, I literally just cooked up a build randomly

[weak quarry]

Hey does extending wild growth with swiftmend make it start out strong again (like how the normal WG starts out strong and decays)

[bright jolt]

Def don’t play ws

[rustic copper]

I think 1 tv is a crime im ngl

[hazy spoke]

When did innervate stop giving us 50% value if giving to another healer?

[bright swift]

BFA

[proven phoenix]

agreed

I wont play 1 tv

[hazy spoke]

I swear TWW it gave us 50%

[bright swift]

i'm not a big regrowther

[proven phoenix]

it didnt

[bright swift]

like you

[proven phoenix]

50% innervate hasnt existed since bfa or shadowlands

[rain oyster]

it was a talent in df after the talent tree rework

[proven phoenix]

we're 5 healing on sunday @rustic copper

[rain oyster]

but like it was t3 and you couldnt pick it

[inland flax]

" Now a row 9 class talent (was a level 42 Balance and Restoration ability). Rank 2 converted into the [Natural Wisdom] talent. "

from DF

[rustic copper]

gl

[bright swift]

there's public logs with 5

[bright jolt]

yeah my ws log is 5 heal

but

I would say 6 heal is just better

tbh

if you can

I hope my paladins log doesn't bait people

[bright swift]

why did you not play ND lol

or why did you play WS in the first place

it doesn't make sense

[bright jolt]

I think my kill pull was the pull I swapped off nd

ws idk, I thought it might do more absorb healing

[bright swift]

was absorb healing really the issue

[bright jolt]

not particularly

which is why I wouldn't reccomend doing what I did

we didn't assign absorbs aside from me + 2 mw

so end of the fight could be slightly sketch

[thorn whale]

and see here kids

this is why you don't blindly copy builds

[half timber]

is Final Grade a solid choice if I´d get it on mythic in Vault or should I try and get raid weapons or stick to the crafted weapon?

[golden siren]

The solidest choice

[bright swift]

Raid weapon drops from Mythic Midnight Falls btw

don't think you're doing that anytime soon

[half timber]

god dam

Think I then have a better chance of getting an Mythic Final Grade lol

comes with Haste Mastery too right?

oh yea it does

but Algethar Academy sucks ._.

[grizzled seal]

Vault doesn't depend on what dungeons you are doing lol

[half timber]

Oh it doesnt?

interesting

[bronze lantern]

Hello pals, quick question. Im trying to setup cell for my R druid. But i cant find a way to whos inside my efflo, did u guys found a way to track that?

[main timber]

Isn't possible

[grizzled seal]

are you just not playing MS?

[rustic copper]

Yes ms is for noobs

I was trying to press more wg last night to try to use all my mana

Converted all my mana into healing on our kill pull without actually ooming was pretty nice

[half timber]

ngl im kinda happy with the UI i got, finally managed to learn to not look down at my skillbar and instead i have more freedom for Party and Raid Frames, basically like any other healer UI

[lament river]

So we get neck by doing 2 battlegrounds?

[ruby bluff]

2 per step, so 6 for you

[lament river]

6 bgs overall and we get neck?

[ruby bluff]

Yes 6 wins

[lament river]

how long does it take? I never doing pvp

[ruby bluff]

Easiest done in training grounds against bots

It’s like 10-15 minutes each max

[river hatch]

Hello all, I'm looking for some direction, Have recently switched to playing Resto Druid, i have been watching countless Youtube Videos, using sites like , Wowhead,Icy Vains, Etc. yet i still perform extremely bad in dungeons or raids, I'm currently back to training dummies and running follow dungeons trying to understand what I'm doing wrong, I'm looking for a Raid Build, and a Dungeon Build specifically , my assumption is that i am the Error, i don't use any Addons , any steer to maybe a good build, good video, or just any advice would be appreciated, just trying to get better ultimately . Ty

[thorn whale]

I need you to get your logs unprivated

thanks

[peak charm]

druid buff when?
#copium

[thorn whale]

💀

Not taking that ragebait

[carmine glen]

check out the pins here for links to guides, theyre very helpful

they have the raid/dungeon builds youre looking for

[rustic copper]

Find my gm on discord and you can bribe him

[grizzled seal]

was still not even close to oom

[rustic copper]

[grizzled seal]

what is this spec actually

[rustic copper]

What is that

[river hatch]

thankyou im digging through them now ❤️

[rustic copper]

Is that you playing what I usually play

[grizzled seal]

first boss, we are just starting with farm

it's just normal build I guess?

[mental belfry]

The pins have all the guides listed, all have talent exports for each type of content. I would recommend some raid frame addon with click casting.

[grizzled seal]

just VI and I played prosp last reset

[rustic copper]

I dont know what normal build is

[grizzled seal]

apex, convoke, refo

just dropped ms

[river hatch]

thankyou!

[tough portal]

Our recommended guides are in the pins, there arent any video guides we would consider trustworthy for resto rn.
It's really very hard to say anything other than re-hashing guides without having any information on what you're doing at all. So if you want more directed advice, start logging your raids and dungeons. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/help/start
You may already have stuff done that others logged in that site if you wanna look up your characters name there.

[rustic copper]

Yeah, don’t need mana

[minor void]

any advice on how to use typhoon correctly in myth+?

[rustic copper]

Spec goes crazy

[river hatch]

will do that now, thankyou

[idle cedar]

I had a question, or two.. Im noticing that with the "new way" of resto druid playing i do so much less healing than our priest and even our other resto druid. No generally im not focussed on how much healing i do as long as the raids go well but the difference is quite massive sometimes. and then with one less healer its suddenly better... Any tips on how to increase raid healing ?

second question i had is about BIS weapons... I see icy vains and wowhead have the same bis... Then some other sources recommend Aln'hara Cane... (though i do have higher weapons in debating to have one crafted and reforged.... Anyone have some good sources on how accurate the previously mentioned sites (and guides) are? or where to look?

[gentle charm]

got any logs?

[mental belfry]

Bis lists are fake, sim upgrades.

[main timber]

Also you are just talking about two different parts of the gearing process

[grand herald]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes/ this is a good resource to look at

[idle cedar]

ofcourse sorry... forgot about that part

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MNwpGTvXnzRbC7BK (this one was normal so the big healers werent there)

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k4FVQ7grXLhqdTzW (this where it went south)

Ill admit ill have to look into how to sim properly for healing as im usually just winging it and for the last years that kinda worked (my druid would be floofeypants)

[main timber]

You wear a crafted 2 hander right now, and you swap to a fixed non-crafted 2 hander later in the season once you get one on myth track

[tough portal]

Then some other sources recommend Aln'hara Cane...
Yeah wowhead and icy-veins also suggest crafting a 2h weapon at 285 as the first use of your sparks and crests.

[main timber]

Both of those sites tell you this but you need to go to the crafts section

And not stop at the bis list

[grand herald]

You need to cast RG

SM uptime looks good

You def could be using WG more

Only 1 tranq cast in a 5:30 fight is not great

Overall CPM looks low

[carmine glen]

It looks like your timing is a bit off, youre ramping DURING the damage and then peaking after the damage has already gone out and stopped ticking

[grand herald]

Yeah overall looks like you just arent casting enough

[tough portal]

Yeah need to cast more heals in general.
Starting off a fight with a ramp into Wrath spam is not doing healing.
5 spells cast in 18 seconds, a few more stretches like this throughout every boss.
The #1 way to improve your healing is to cast more healing spells. Resto works by ramping up Rejuvs into periods of free crit Regrowths. Most of your Convokes don't have a ramp of Rejuvs leading into them, and none of them have Regrowth spam benefiting from Abundance afterwards.

[carmine glen]

if you compare the two druids, the much higher HPS druid is peaking before you and prepping earlier

(and also all the rest the other said)

[grand herald]

Looking at your overall casts over all the encounters:

[tough portal]

The Rejuv -> Regrowth cycling should be ongoing through the fight, not only for Convoke, it'll go up and down more often than that.

[spark river]

Jesus thats a lot of rejuv

[grand herald]

Its not tho

17cpm

[tough portal]

I dont think this is describing what rabblemuch is doing exactly

[grand herald]

@idle cedar your rejuv/RG cpm should both easily be ~20 CPM

[tough portal]

They arent peaking anywhere, just their effective healing comes when other healers are doing less. Their raw hps is pretty flat, there's no much timing to it cuz there arent ramps and Regrowth spam.

[grand herald]

You are easily casting about half as often as you should be

[thorn whale]

wtf??

[grand herald]

Also overall SM CPM should be higher with prosperity

And WG getting ignored a bit

Oh and 73% LB uptime isnt great

Esp with apex build

[idle cedar]

right. so basically better timing (sadly something often get too distracted for) but the casting checks out... im still in my "mana preserving mindset" from years ago before i quit lol.

[carmine glen]

youre right about that for sure, but I think even after fixing what you mean (which is definitely a bigger factor) if they start ramping super late, they will still have issues. ex

[tough portal]

Did you just filter including all wipes tho

[grand herald]

Yeah

[carmine glen]

the first ramp of the first and the 2nd ramp of the second show that pattern particularly well

[tough portal]

ok bro including time they spent dead to dilute their CPM and lifebloom uptime is a little silly

But anyways ABC mate, always be casting @idle cedar

[grand herald]

I have ignore events after player death

Does that not do what i think it does

[carmine glen]

but again the spell choice that face is talking about is definitely the biggest factor

[thorn plover]

Guys should I craft mace or staff I'm confused

[carmine glen]

agi fist

[thorn plover]

Tysm

[main timber]

Join team Mace

[vagrant grove]

hey a question, i see in many logs that "we" use convoke in raid and not tree of life , is that correct?

[thorn plover]

Is this real life

[silk ice]

If I crafted staff and xmoged it into a mace, does that count

[spark river]

Boomkin

[main timber]

Need more members urgently

[grand herald]

I swap depending on fight

[carmine glen]

I want to use an OH just to use the new pepe house xmog

its so cute

[tough portal]

Real

I bought it too

[main timber]

You do still see a few people that crafted 1H + OH

Not sure what they are up to really

[thorn whale]

You wouldn't get it

[thorn plover]

Wtf is a Pepe house

[tough portal]

They had insider knowledge on the april trading post

[carmine glen]

its so good man

[thorn plover]

Most are on convoke, both are competitive and fine

Convoke lines up nice on most bosses

[carmine glen]

OH transmog

[lyric surge]

=O

I need this

[carmine glen]

YES

[bright swift]

hell yeah

[lyric surge]

I need this IRL

[carmine glen]

also real

[thorn plover]

Looks like tettles in there

[grand herald]

You are so l337

[fervent mica]

its just for the monthly thing... ez buy

[carmine glen]

we have trapped him

[thorn plover]

Idk how to transmog

[rustic copper]

They are stronger on week 1 because they can double embellish

[silk ice]

Can you double hunt?

[idle cedar]

sorry my dinner came. But thanks a lot for taking the time to look at it and help me out. Its really appreciated 🙂

May your pillows always be cold

[lyric surge]

I have bought all the things

now I need a mh/oh combo XD

[carmine glen]

its very planty this month

good shit

[lyric surge]

yeah

I grabbed the mushroom staff too

[carmine glen]

yeah the snel on that is great

[fervent mica]

saaame

[carmine glen]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hello-snail-adventure-time-gif-9966924

[lyric surge]

oh and @carmine glen I have like 4 more guava blooms

[carmine glen]

im SO jealous. those were so pretty

[lyric surge]

we really need to make time to go finish planting.. armando needs more space

[lofty sigil]

is it not possible to track reforestations incarn in blizz cdm as a buff?

[carmine glen]

my orchids are doing so well but i hate being so limited to inside because I live in snowland

[carmine glen]

how are the raised planters going? they looked really nice

[lyric surge]

I ended up doing it with an arcui custom bar

[lofty sigil]

god damnit, guess i have to download arcui only to track that then

[lyric surge]

Picture dump!

All the lilies have little buds coming in. Very excited for those

[bright zephyr]

help guys, how do I turn off the new overlay shit on danders

[lofty sigil]

do you happen to have the spellid for the reforestation incarnation?

[carmine glen]

that looks so great!!!

i like the bark chips touch

nice n happy n green

[lyric surge]

nope sorry.. I did it in arc by tracking when reforestation buff is removed

@proven phoenix plant pics!

[high mountain]

Do you guys know if the tranqui proc of the dryad you spawn acts in reducing the cooldown of convok ?

[carmine glen]

it does not

[thorn plover]

Can't wait for the snow to melt so I can get back to my garden

[lyric surge]

tranq in general doesn't reduce the cd of anything anymore

[high mountain]

oh shit true it's control of the dream

got baited by that

[carmine glen]

yeah haha I was just going to ask

the swiftmend CDR does come from the tranq dryad (and ironbark) tho

[high mountain]

How the fuck is this possible then ?

Where does he get 3 sec off the convok ? xd

[tough portal]

You just said it

[carmine glen]

you just said lol

[high mountain]

am i understanding the talent wrong

doesn't it shave off cooldown if it's available and you don't press it ?

[tough portal]

Right, it's available and you arent pressing it for the entire time pre-pull

[proven phoenix]

[carmine glen]

Yes, that is how control of the dream works and that affects convoke... but has nothing to do with swiftmend or dryads

[proven phoenix]

incredible

[tough portal]

It should start every fight with 15s cdr 'banked'

[high mountain]

but the 1:59 convok is like the third one, if he presses them on cd, they don't sit, so the talent doesn't shave

so why is the 3second gain happening on the fourth convok ?

[tough portal]

If the first one already had 15s cdr from pre-pull, then it was a 45s cd, not 1 min

So pressing it 1 min later is 15s after cd was up

Banking up another 15s

[proven phoenix]

its a chain reaction

[lyric surge]

the first one had 45s cd, second was pressed 1 minute later, so that also had 45s cd

[high mountain]

no but he didn't pressed it 15sec later tho

wait

[carmine glen]

wait for it

[proven phoenix]

hmm

[high mountain]

no no wait

wait wait guys

i'm just dumb

[proven phoenix]

yes

[high mountain]

go back to sleep all

it's me

mb

[proven phoenix]

ok gn

[tough portal]

Cheers mate

[high mountain]

sometimes you go full pepega idk

[carmine glen]

its good to ask and get clarification

good on you for that

[hexed locust]

Hello someone linked an dungeon addon for adds yesterday but i dont remember the name of it, anyone now?

[polar forge]

Hey, I am using Harreks Advanced Raidframes, but the customized HoT settings are only applied to my 5 man party frames, but not to my raid frames. Anyone knows a fix around this or can suggest an addon that handles similar use case?

[half timber]

Trying to get a Heart of the Wind been running +6s to +8s Windrunners the past 4 days and its not dropping. Should I move on and get more IO?

[thorn whale]

Higher up you go the more likely people are to have loot already and trade gear

[viscid dune]

What do people use to track reforestation stacks these days?

Since was are gone

[thorn whale]

Buff tracker does it

From CDM

[half timber]

Alright thanks. Good I crafted boots today so now im at 264 ilvl think 12s should be doable

[thorn whale]

Damage difference is neglible so for sure

[ember forge]

why is wildstalker so much better for m+ I feel like until I truly learn the dungeons shifting to cat is dangerous, and keeper of the grove makes everything ranged and more manageable. Is there some big thing I'm missing? The dps output seems somewhat similar from logs

[desert kayak]

it does more healing

nothing to do with cat

[rustic copper]

Ws heals for more and catweaving is much more single target so it’s more valuable

If you do 5m dmg to a boss that’s a real time save

Starfiring 10 mobs is not

[main timber]

Every guide since TWW started said that you should go Wildstalker even if you do not plan on ever going into Cat Form (though you eventually should)

[ember forge]

ok, sorry new to druid this tier and couldn't quite put my finger on it

[rustic copper]

And shifting cat is not any more dangerous than casting moonfire

[main timber]

You are also toward melee anyway for Efflo value

[rustic copper]

You just leave when you need to heal

[main timber]

At the very least make sure you are going into Cat Form for HotW

Since it does absurd damage

[ember forge]

yea im doing that now

i just get greedy and shift to do some swipes

and then it gets hairy swapping back and losing uptime on some hots

for example

[main timber]

For the most part your effort on massive AoE packs matters less than doing great single target damage

[ember forge]

which will come with learning

[thorn plover]

You can cast hots from cat form

[ember forge]

the dungeons

[thorn plover]

You don't have to swap back

[ember forge]

hots unshifts me

[thorn plover]

Well ya ofc

But how is that any different than stopping your Starfire cast

[rustic copper]

Do you have fluid form

[ember forge]

yea i think part of the problem is i am using an actual cat form button instead of a skill that will shif t me

so it is extra gccds

gcds*

[thorn plover]

why

Fluid form

Press rake

[ember forge]

yea i just am not use to it yet so my bars are old from previous expacs

i need to move things around and it will feel more fluid

[thorn plover]

Probably step 1.

Playing keeper isn't going to help you

[ember forge]

oh

the build i have doesn't use fluid form

is that normal in m+

[thorn plover]

No

You should take it always

[ember forge]

hmm ok that will definitely make a difference.

[main timber]

grab build from wowhead or IV

[tough portal]

I think it's a little overrated but sure.
Main thing is shifting out doesnt lose you any time regardless of fluid form, you can always cast any heal from cat form the same way you would if you were out of form

[ember forge]

yea I previously was using wowhead, but i am doing 14s now and i shifted to murlok to look up what some of the top druids were running and the one i grabbed just happened to not have it

so i was shifting cat running to pack using cds shifting back to resto and sometimes it was more timing issues

because i wasn't expecting a damage event

while i was hotw

think it will just be learning

[proven phoenix]

@lyric surge you'll have to explain how you made the custom incarn bar to me

[alpine crystal]

Does anyone know if Embrace the Dream talent stack that heal if someone has regrowth & 2 rejuvs?

[proven phoenix]

no

its just 1 instance of healing

[alpine crystal]

ah dang i was hoping it stacked per hot

[rustic copper]

@lyric surge my ui is bad give me yours

Please

[timid terrace]

Hello there, best cooldown manager addon for rdoot atm in your opinion ? Kinda annoying to maintain some stuff lilfebloom without weakaura

[grand herald]

Im using weakauras for LB

[lyric surge]

https://i.imgur.com/wsnPACW.png

[proven phoenix]

oh thats kinda clever

on the reforestation stack buff going away

[lyric surge]

yeah! I just dunno whatr woudl happen if I tried to cancel aura

but that's shit's annoying and I don't wanna do it anyway

[proven phoenix]

dont worry I never cancelaura so im chilling

ye

[timid terrace]

looks cool, might swap to arc ui

[bright swift]

No reforest owns

btw

[proven phoenix]

I'll try it

[bright swift]

But

maybe no apex is still better

it's not that THAT much

[lyric surge]

like my whole UI? or just my arcui?

[rustic copper]

Everything you can export? It would be rly helpful I’m kinda lost

[thorn plover]

Lifebloom add-on in my discord bio

Shameless plug

[nocturne vortex]

is it worth it to get the ring or the necklace for me?

[foggy trellis]

hey guys with the raid builds is it ok to just swap out tree for convoke or is there other talent changes required too?

[main timber]

Yeah you can just swap them. There is talent swap advice in the guide

[thorn plover]

Neck is the correct stats for us. Ring is not

[nocturne vortex]

thanks ill get the ring

it's funny cause normally im a pvper but i wanted to take a break and this is my first season doing pve

and a lot of my good items are sitll pvp gear lol

[foggy trellis]

Thanks Voulk, I figured that was the case, im just playing so poor i was looking for a reason.. which wasnt there 🤣

[rustic copper]

[thorn plover]

That is not what I said but you do you lol

[nocturne vortex]

i meant to say necklace LOL

[spark river]

Lmao

He cooked you

[nocturne vortex]

me when i make a typo on the internet

https://tenor.com/view/vignesh123-vigneshfisrtgif-yoda123-yodamars-gif-13055175463724769097

[timid terrace]

i will chekc it

[bright swift]

@proven phoenix @thorn whale @rustic copper boss died

lol

only 11 pulls after nerf

[rustic copper]

boss too easy now

[thorn plover]

Paladins?

[bright swift]

yes

[gusty meteor]

Can u guys link any nice UI stuff? i cant see my groups hots atm :C

[molten elk]

No reforest in favor of what?

[bright swift]

This is for paladins only

[molten elk]

Oh sure

[proven phoenix]

we have like 15 pulls post nerf I think

and boss is 7%

[bright swift]

Was much easier than I expected

[rustic copper]

Did you 6 heal and did you get dmg checked?

[bright swift]

6 heal yeah

damage check only once

second time we hit "enrage" we killed

[timid terrace]

Funny to see a boss where we stack healers and not the other way around

[gusty meteor]

Who are we lifeblooming now when we cant lifebloom 2 ppl?

[rustic copper]

Do you think we vantus it next week?

[bright swift]

next week??

no why

we sent all vantus though because we HAD to kill before end of today

[foggy trellis]

Hey guys im comparing logs between my 25 parse and someones 99 parse
ilvl diff is about 6ilvl
Casts are similar, im overhealing more, but the thing jumping out is the difference in HPS.. e.g

Me: 152 casts rejuv for 15.6k hps, versus this other guy 131 rejuv for 33k hps

why the huge difference?

[thorn plover]

Send logs

[rustic copper]

I think it might be hard to reclear paladins and get to crown next week

[rustic copper]

Soul of the forest and cd timing/execution

[foggy trellis]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZBpR2TdLK3DQc18h?fight=6&type=healing&source=9

[foggy trellis]

Yeah, i think also i throw too many rejuvs out to max abundance

[thorn plover]

you arent pressing regrowth nearly enough

or swiftmend

[tough portal]

Might also be comparing Convoke vs Incarn log

[thorn plover]

your cpm in general is super low

your rejuv:regrowth should be like 1:1, youre almost 4:1
switmend cpm should be like 5, youre at 2.7

[foggy trellis]

both convokes

[thorn plover]

lifebloom uptime is 58%, should be north of 90%

@spark river howd i do

your overall cpm is 40, which is pretty low

[tough portal]

Lot of SOTF spent on Regrowth on your log

[foggy trellis]

lay off rejuv, press regrowth and lifebloom more

[tough portal]

Dont lay off rejuv

Just press everything else more

[thorn plover]

and swiftmend, swiftmend is like our most important ability

and what face said

[thorn whale]

Told you that you would kill

[grizzled seal]

let's go

[thorn whale]

We had 9 pulls

And I think we legit kill in 2-3 pulls Sunday

[tough portal]

You arent underpressing Rejuv, just relative to your total it looks like it cuz you have a lot of downtime

You styled on em

[foggy trellis]

i think my fear is ooming too quick

[thorn whale]

You got 4 ilvls on me 💀💀

[thorn plover]

rejuv makes you oom

[thorn whale]

I’m sitting on 120 myth atm as well

[thorn plover]

regrowth is cheap to cast

[grizzled seal]

Did you not send crests

[foggy trellis]

i feel i need to start screen recording to rewatch my play too

[thorn whale]

I don’t have anything to send them into

[grizzled seal]

Hero crests?

[thorn whale]

I did yeah

[grizzled seal]

My alt is 274 by just sending hero crests and crafts

[thorn whale]

Actually my math is bad, you probably have 3 on me

Yeah I’m 274

1 vault item and 2 crafts

[gusty meteor]

Can you link a good UI for cooldown manager and weakaura guys? my ui is for SHIT atm

[foggy trellis]

whats with all the dispels ffs lol
looks like it wouldve been a good time to kitty or wrath spam /facepalm

[silk ice]

Do you use elvui by any chance

[foggy trellis]

me? basic bliz ui

[silk ice]

Hmm you dispelled the same person 3 times in a row, thought maybe it was a ui bug or something

[hexed locust]

Download Dandersframe and get the profile from QE thats a rly nice one.

[foggy trellis]

probably poor mouseover skills

[rustic copper]

Show trinkets

[spark river]

Amazing

[foggy trellis]

thanks - ill look into it

[rustic copper]

Is that 263 trinket actually good

[grizzled seal]

int haste cant be bad

[spark river]

Thats a preference thing

[grizzled seal]

I am playing champ ribbon on paladins instead

[hexed locust]

ofc iti s.

[rustic copper]

Sunblood amethyst

[grizzled seal]

wtf is sunblood amethyst

[thorn plover]

thanks for this, very smart

[rustic copper]

That one trinket from the sl dungeon that was int haste ultra shit

And a bunch of people were wearing it because int haste

[grizzled seal]

this is the one lol

what did you think it was?

[spark river]

I just wanted to point out that you can play perfectly fine with the default ui if you understand the gameplay.

[rustic copper]

Is it good though

[main timber]

he just means that sometimes good looking trinkets are shit because numbers, though the numbers on this one are obviously just on-budget

[grizzled seal]

ok but this is just a stat stick

[hexed locust]

yeah iknow 🙂

[grizzled seal]

not hard to understand

[rustic copper]

I dont know how much 102 haste is man

[grizzled seal]

hover over trinkets on qelive

it shows average

[rustic copper]

And how that compares to Windrunner trinket

Holy moly does it rly

[grizzled seal]

hover over question mark, not trinkets, sorry

@bright swift 5 or 6 heal?

[bright swift]

6

[gusty meteor]

Guys, a question about algethar academys last boss. is it AIDS or is my grp just shit?

[grizzled seal]

did you send full 20 vantus?

[spark river]

Both

[bright swift]

yes

[gusty meteor]

^^

[carmine sapphire]

what to craft as a second item pls. wrist or waist?

[thorn plover]

agree with both

its a shit boss tho

[severe shoal]

haste/mast shoulders vs tier for keys?

[thorn plover]

im pretty sure im gonna drop 4 piece down to 2 and run different shoulders

for keys atleast

[foggy trellis]

THanks for the insight guys, off for reading and practice /salute

[pastel dragon]

in keys where i need extreme single target healing, is dropping something like nurturing dormency or natures bounty for Harmonious Blooming ever make sense?

[thorn plover]

you should already have harmonious

[rustic copper]

You are already playing Rdruid

[thorn plover]

actually the wowhead build doesnt take it

interesting

[main timber]

HB is very low value if you are already spamming a target

[pastel dragon]

ah ok thank you for the response

[main timber]

But it's for sure a talent you can take

[frigid glen]

what is the soft cap for haste?

[main timber]

We were playing with dropping Natures Bounty too in keys

[main timber]

No such thing

[frigid glen]

there should be

with the hot ticks

[pastel dragon]

natures bounty seems to usually be ~3-3.5% for me in like +14s

[main timber]

They removed breakpoints for hot ticks 12 years ago

They scale linearly with haste now

[pastel dragon]

how much does the mastery bonus reduce for each additiona HoT?

[main timber]

#resto message

[pastel dragon]

thank you

[carmine rose]

Hello !
Excuse me, I searched everywhere but I can't find the answer. I'm searching how I can put a sound on lifebloom when he enter in pandemic. It works with Moonfire, but not with Lifebloom. Is this a known issue ?

[grand herald]

gotta use an addon, its bugged

[carmine rose]

Do you know one ?

[thorn plover]

Add-on in my bio

LifebloomAlert on curseforge

[carmine rose]

Tysm, I will check this 🙂

[foggy trellis]

wait, innervate on a friendly no longer gives us 50% of the effect?

[main timber]

No it hasn't done that in quite a few years

[foggy trellis]

/sigh

[boreal plaza]

whats the general consensus on the apex talents? i saw some people run different or without it

[eternal bough]

guys in raid covoke the spirit has to be done in tree form or no ? sometimes when i cast it it looks like i cast nothing

btw 95+ parses but i still dont get it

[thorn plover]

it doesnt have to

but its better

[main timber]

They're very OP in M+, can go either way in raid

[uneven sparrow]

should we be holding swiftmends for refo + convoke? how long it worth holding a swiftmend for this line up vs just getting more swiftmends in?

[thorn plover]

i dont hold, i just send it

usually it lines up pretty close

[uneven sparrow]

are you pre 4 stacking to start bosses with tree or not that big of a deal?

[thorn plover]

yes

stack 3, then blanket hot, then send the 4th at like 2 on the pull timer

as long as your group doesnt grief you

[proven phoenix]

@main timber you will have to explain to me how to determine how many debuffs are consumed to heal people because its not just sum of all the debuffs right, some dont get consumed I imagine

like this for example

[main timber]

Every 2s it can remove 1 singular debuff

It does look like you are consuming most stacks

Otherwise the counts would be high like the start

[proven phoenix]

oh yeah that makes sense

[vital heath]

can some one help me i am new to druid healing
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Wp1B3thba2fADwXg?fight=10&type=healing

am i just to slow in casting or where is my biggest mistake

[grand herald]

yeah casts are pretty low

[thorn plover]

not enough swiftmend or regrowth

[fast snow]

Have more people gone to doing convoke or is tree more standard still? Been away from channel for a little bit but now that we’re progressing through mythic it’s forcing me to continue to evolve

[thorn plover]

logs would indicate most are on convoke

[fast snow]

Huh no kidding, wasn’t it tree for a while there?

[grand herald]

it was mostly considered preference

most people ended up prefering convoke

[thorn plover]

was a toss up til we had real testing

both are still competitive

RWF druid using tree

[whole horizon]

i ran tree week 1 to test but convoke still felt best

just too familiar

[grand herald]

i was using tree on chimaerus and it felt fine

[whole horizon]

tree form is so easy though, you cant make mistakes with it

[grand herald]

but most bosses convoke is nice

[rare coyote]

Quick question for those better than I. Im getting almost 70k more in “over healing”. 100k HPS to 170k. EHPS Is there anything I can improve on to fix that other then maybe I’m healing the wrong people? (Latest log attached)

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/avTjCRg8KZGrf79z?fight=12&type=healing&options=8

[grand herald]

its not really something you can fix unless you are really just RGing people who are max hp

due to how we play we hit a lot of overhealing

[fast snow]

Ideally you convoke with refo but generally speaking using it on cooldown if there’s decent damage pays off?

Doing mythic now and unlike heroic there seems to always be stuff happening

[grand herald]

especially in heroic

[whole horizon]

looking at overhealing is pointless, our class naturally overheals the whole raid because of how we have to blanket and ramp

its not a problem you need to fix and that metric doesn't give you much useful info about your performance.

[grand herald]

get those SM casts and lifebloom uptime up tho 😉

[whole horizon]

the healing breakdown does seem really odd

i'm not at my pc but you should pipe it through wowanalyzer and see what it shows you

[fast snow]

Have you leaned one way or the other? And going convoke do you really change any talents?

[median marsh]

Feel like there’s not enough rot for Tree to really shine compared to convoke

At least for the first 5 bosses

[rare coyote]

Much appreciated. This was a pug I went to get practice on. But my raid is pushing mythic starting tonight. H priest, monk, and evoker are my co healers. So I’m fighting lol. And I’m almost always highest on my EHPS but lowest on HPS. I figured it was “Druid life”. But wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something obvious I could quick fix

[median marsh]

It’s just spiky damage events which are quickly healed up, especially if you have Pres and disc

[fast snow]

Mythic has felt like it has more consistent damage at least this far

[grand herald]

like bootsy said, your healing breakdown is quite odd

[median marsh]

Hoping Midnight Falls is more consistent damage for Tree to shine

[grand herald]

WG healing more than rejuv with that cast breakdown is kinda weird

[spark river]

I ve been loving tree

You get to be a big broccoli for 70% of the fight

[median marsh]

That’s the main selling point

[ashen vector]

does anyone know is there any catchup system to get the uncontaminated void samples for crucible trinket?

[tranquil stump]

Question: I got Heroic track Eye of Blazing Power from TW....is it worthwhile for resto?

[rare coyote]

I’ve also noticed that. Not to sure why. I do have 4p already. I’m wondering if I’m just not casting rejuv enough in tree? Casting it to much out

[grand herald]

toss it in wowanalyzer like he said

[grizzled kayak]

is neck a viable option to craft? my chest , boots and belt arnt bad

[whole horizon]

it's abundance usage and SM casts really

[whole horizon]

you're at ~7 average abundance stacks, so your ramps aren't effective enough. use SM more often (on CD) and use rejuv to consume SotF so you get better coverage.

[sharp epoch]

hey guys, is there like a sim for healers

[whole horizon]

that will improve your 2 biggest areas, SM cpm and abundance uptime. making sure you have a good ramp for each Convoke is important to get the most out of it, and you often Convoked outside of Refo and also with only 4-6 Rejuvs out.

[grand herald]

qelive

[sharp epoch]

tysm!!!!

[whole horizon]

@rare coyote a good way to track this is to go into your log, select yourself, go into Buffs and find Abundance.

long, flat peaks at 10-12 stacks is where you get the most throughput from regrowth.

[rare coyote]

oh this is super helpful thank you!

[whole horizon]

yw

this is a random log i selected from a group that had similar kill time as yours. while it doesn't depict perfect play, it's a good example of what to strive for.

this player did about 30k more HPS than your log with a similar cast breakdown. obv had better SM usage and a few other things but this is a big part of it.

[boreal plaza]

what do u take instead of the apex talents in raids btw? yseras gift, waking dream, embrace of the dream and regenesis?

[whole horizon]

no

[grand herald]

embrace growth thriving

wild synthesis?

[whole horizon]

embrace of the dream, 2/2 thriving vegetation, wild synthesis, unstoppable growth

[grand herald]

i think you swap outta improved swift

[thorn plover]

Lol that was like every wrong choice except embrace

I think vrocas is right about dropping UG for photo tho

[cursive pilot]

another lb tracker

[fast snow]

Now without apex?

Without new apex (or apex in general) I’m missing where photo comes in

Also if you go convoke you still take refo and refo extension in Kotg

[eternal loom]

hi guys anyone here use vhudo healing addon ?, i need to sort out the panels so i have the order as tank , healer then dps but at the moment the order keeps moving

[viscid zenith]

Wonder if we get tuning tomorrow or not until race is finished

[main timber]

We know more is coming this coming Tuesday

[spark river]

Anything for us?

[grizzled seal]

yeah 10% nerf for you specifically

[main timber]

I don't have any details, we just know it is happening

Would expect announcement tomorrow

[spark river]

can you not be mean

[proven phoenix]

I feel like druid overall is like aggressively alrighty

not good not bad

just ok

partially because people are playing it really poorly

[main timber]

Yeah I doubt they will change druid

[proven phoenix]

looking at beloren I cant imagine druid is particularly good on that fight

[main timber]

Probably just buffs to bottom 3

If RWF clears then potentially nerfs to top 2-3

[proven phoenix]

how sick would it be if they nerfed disc

right now

giga nerf

[spark river]

Wouldnt be surprised

Still pumps hard after 7 nerfs

[proven phoenix]

I dont think they will nerf anything in rwf

[pulsar kettle]

8 more nerfs

[proven phoenix]

right now

[pulsar kettle]

just delete disc

[proven phoenix]

tuning is on hold for rwf after all

xdd

[pulsar kettle]

and mw

[pulsar kettle]

held hostage by the unemployed !

[main timber]

Not looking like a full RWF clear this reset

[proven phoenix]

they arent even on luura yet and that boss will be complete thanos

[dull gorge]

Anyone has a good addon or something for tracking Incarn: Tree of life? Since blizzards cooldown manager wont do the job (if speced convoke)

[proven phoenix]

500 puller

MINIMUM

word on the street is the mythic memory game is 8 sigils

how aura is this btw

this boss is just so sick unironically

very good work from blizzard for once, I dont praise that company lightly

[spark river]

8 sigils is diabolical

[bright swift]

bench me

[gentle nova]

Its good where disc isnt they are dying to spot heals in p2

[proven phoenix]

luura is looking like an insane thanos boss but im really looking forward to it

I dont look forward to most hard end bosses

[grizzled seal]

Druid is unironically so good on paladins

[burnt tapir]

anybody have tips on how to handle healing higher magisters terrace keys? Just got rolled by crowd dispersal from sentry + blink from familiars going off at the same time

This as simple as not pulling those mobs together?

[grizzled seal]

Once I get my hands in order and start playing properly

[proven phoenix]

just for absorbs or what

why do you thnk so

[grizzled seal]

For everything really

Cds line up

Absorb healing is good

Survivability is good

[proven phoenix]

I've been playing incarn because I got tilted by never being able to regrowth

[grizzled seal]

Idk just feels good to play it

[proven phoenix]

im going to play convoke again

I will try photo as well

vrocas convinced me on his no ug thing

[grizzled seal]

I'm playing Niko's build

Fuck MS

Useless talent

[proven phoenix]

yeah im going to drop ms as well I think

it was kinda nice on early prog when im spending my entire mana pool in a minute and a half

at this point I dont really need it

[grizzled seal]

I can legit go 10 mins without MS

[bright swift]

I got 110k mana from MS on paladins

[grizzled seal]

With reck pots

[bright swift]

I would be oom without it

[proven phoenix]

do you have any external innervates

[grizzled seal]

Cast more regrowths

[proven phoenix]

yes

[grizzled seal]

No, our paladin is taking one

[proven phoenix]

I'm way overrejuving I think still

[grizzled seal]

And I think source is on disc?

[proven phoenix]

we have 3 sources in our raid lmfao

[main timber]

Nice (+5k mana)

[grizzled seal]

It's 3% healing

[main timber]

The healing is very good obv

[proven phoenix]

look at this poor moonkin log on paladins btw

98%, just above tank

[reef zenith]

Able to link it please? Last season I felt like playing Nikos build was the best decision I made XD

[proven phoenix]

his "build" is just dropping ms for a 2nd TV point

[grizzled seal]

Just normal apex but drop MS for 2 TV

Oh and VI

VI makes mana consumption go down a lot

[proven phoenix]

yeah im playing VI as well

[reef zenith]

Fair, I was on vi and liveliness with no apex yesterday and enjoyed it

[grizzled seal]

Liveliness is trash

[proven phoenix]

im ngl I kinda want to drop reforestation on paladins

[bright swift]

I did

[proven phoenix]

yes but I need 2 points if im not taking embrace

or ms

to get to photo

[bright swift]

I dropped 1 TV

jesus

[grizzled seal]

I had 8.9 but that was a misplay

I changed my rejuv tracker icon

Huge error

[proven phoenix]

lmao

[silk hamlet]

Hi guys, can someone advise me if I should craft Chest or Waist/boots please?
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/twisting-nether/letmehealyaa/

[bright swift]

You don't have a chest, you craft chest

[harsh quartz]

the moonkin experience basically

[silk hamlet]

Thank you, than I look for head and legs catalyst?

[bright swift]

yes

[snow umbra]

What would be considered a 'good' CPM for spells. I'm usually averaging about 22-24 Rejuvs, 12-16 Regrowths, and 5-6 SM/WG.

I think someone mentioned 30 Rejuv + 30 Regrowth, but that might have been last season?

[spark river]

over 20 on both rejuv and regrowth

[fast snow]

Possible link?

[grizzled seal]

My logs are public

[hearty coral]

I prefer doing 32 rejuvs and 10 regrowths

[grizzled seal]

Just take wowhead build and move Ms to tv

[fast snow]

With Apex?

[grizzled seal]

Like 20+20 and 5 swiftmend

Yes

[fast snow]

Still doing tree?

[grizzled seal]

No

[fast snow]

Been meaning to try convoke

Any talents change with it?

We still take extended refo?

That was thro not node I wa curious about

[fervent mica]

its even more important tbh

[snow umbra]

I tried that but went oom in 3 minutes

[latent hill]

Anyone know if there is a big difference between Ws and keeper for mythics? I've seen both being used some

[grizzled seal]

I wouldn't take extended refo when playing tree

[hearty coral]

It wasn't serious lol it's how I often end up playing on accident

[main timber]

Wildstalker is just better. Playstyle is similar

[fast snow]

Oh?

[silk hamlet]

sorry to ask, mastery haste I should keep on chest is that correct?

[snow umbra]

Is that dependant on haste? I'm not sure I can cast that fast

[latent hill]

Gotcha just going off murloc if it can be trusted

[fast snow]

I just assumed more tree is better or is the flat boost to HoTs just stronger

[main timber]

No

[main timber]

it cannot

[fervent mica]

the stats are the same regardless of spec

[grizzled seal]

He is answering m+ question

[hearty coral]

Aggregation sites aren't very accurate for different reasons

[bright swift]

Yes

[snow umbra]

Sorry I selected the wrong message to reply

[latent hill]

So what site would you trust?

[main timber]

Just take your builds from wowhead

They are designed with you in mind

[latent hill]

And I heard they can't be trusted lol

[hearty coral]

You should use the wow head guide until you are able to look at a log and understand the context and reasoning of why choices are made and why they are made.

[hearty coral]

Depends on the spec imo

[grand herald]

from a reddit post? 😛

[fast snow]

Refo without the added duration seems so sad

[main timber]

It generally just depends on the writer

[grizzled seal]

Trust nobody, not even yourself ✊

[hearty coral]

Some guide writers phone it in yeah

[main timber]

If you go to your class discord they will tell you what resources you can use

[hearty coral]

This guide writer does not phone it in

[latent hill]

Na just other posters lol

[main timber]

Huh, this question is asked often in here and Wildstalker is always recommended

[grand herald]

fwiw, every spec i seriously play has great wowhead writers

[fast snow]

So if going convoke to keep refo but go for the HoT increase? I guess I’m trying to figure out if it’s a preference thing or mechanically better

[grizzled seal]

I didn't understand your question

[grand herald]

porom, whispyr, voulk my goats

[latent hill]

Cause wowhead takes livliness but someoem said on here it was trash

[main timber]

You are mixing up raid and M+ conversations

[grizzled seal]

[main timber]

This is why you should just default to using the guide. Liveliness is a good pick in M+ (where you want it for pathing anyway) and a weaker choice in raid

[latent hill]

Ok

[inner sonnet]

Mana should never be an issue in M+ anyways

[latent hill]

Just sometimes feel weak in m+ and trying to figure out how to fix is all

[hearty coral]

Even if it is you can just chug water as you run lol

[main timber]

I promise you it's not your build or stats

[hearty coral]

Use Swift mend on regrowth more

[main timber]

There is no quick fix. The only way to get better at the game is to work on your play

[latent hill]

Been doing that

On both

[grizzled seal]

The talents aren't that strong

[hardy canopy]

sometimes feeling weak can mean that your group sucks

[grizzled seal]

Not the group shit again

[ornate cloak]

is there sitdown mana pots this season

[latent hill]

And its not a mana issue

[latent hill]

Yes

[grizzled seal]

They are trash and druid will never use them

[grand herald]

do you already know where the damage events are

[cerulean stratus]

when you play with vi, do you just want to sm your lb target in raid and thats it?

[grand herald]

and are you preparing for them

[grand herald]

p much

[grizzled seal]

Yes

[ornate cloak]

what are they called

[main timber]

I pugged a decent amount on my druid and I promise you can carry basically any group if you are playing well

[cerulean stratus]

im guessing it would be troll to lb the tank on dragons

[grizzled seal]

I can also guarantee you my group does much more stupid pulls than the stupidest pug

I've had 300k hps pulls in +10

[grand herald]

just keep on yourself

[main timber]

Druid is also especially well positioned to heal through anything

[grizzled seal]

Yep

[bright swift]

Don't do that either

I keep it on a melee

you are too spread

[grizzled seal]

If somebody died and you were not at 300k hps, it is what they call a skill issue

[latent hill]

Gotcha so I suck cool

[main timber]

Maybe but that doesn't mean you will still suck in 2 days, 2 weeks, 2 months

[hardy canopy]

we're missing the context tho

[cerulean stratus]

so

[hardy canopy]

you feel weak but whats the situation

[cerulean stratus]

do i keep it on a squishy melee

[main timber]

You work on it and you get stronger. If you log runs and post htem here then we can help you along the way

[bright swift]

I kept it on my warrior

[grizzled seal]

What if that warrior uses their infamous opener?

Charge bladestorm release spirit

[cerulean stratus]

ill try on dragons on sunday then

and no ms

although im not sure i can play without mana pot if i dont play ms

[grizzled seal]

It's free as fuck idk

[inner sonnet]

h0w

[grizzled seal]

Free yourself from rejuv shackles

Green leaf is the path to victory

[austere bloom]

i'm guessing the wraths cast from convoke give mana back on shapeshifter right?

[inner sonnet]

they do

[cerulean stratus]

yea regrowth is op

[latent hill]

This shit is not helpful Goodluck to new players

[cerulean stratus]

brain realized but fingers didnt

[grizzled seal]

Casting spells idk man

[inner sonnet]

thx will try out next time

[main timber]

Damn the pep talk was not successful

[grizzled seal]

People really hate being told they aren't perfect

[hearty coral]

That is common yeah

[grizzled seal]

It's everyone's fault but theirs

[main timber]

Everyone sucks when they start a new thing

[fast snow]

I’m still genuinely lost on a convoke build. 😞

[gentle nova]

Bro is that even 2 phaseable

[main timber]

You spend time working on the skill and you get better

[hearty coral]

Good luck telling me my 35 rejuvs per minute is bad though

[weary moss]

Properly consuming swiftmend with Apex talent is huge for hps. Got comfortable with that and I was healing pugs in +10/+11s at 235 IL no tier.

[cerulean stratus]

lost about what

[bright swift]

Don't think so