resto

[rustic copper]

It’s not 12

Nature’s bounty maxing

[loud fiber]

can we reenter tree form after proccing reforestation and then stampeding roar into bear form? asking for a friend.

[rustic copper]

No

[topaz nest]

yes if talented into incarn right? Unless it got changed

[proven phoenix]

yes only with incarn talented

[crude nebula]

so I just healed a 13 with my raid talents by accident

and holy, tree of life and kotg

feels rly good in keys

I do less DPS

[proven phoenix]

no man

[crude nebula]

but the healing is SO much more comfortable

[proven phoenix]

its just not

[rustic copper]

When do you fight paladins

[proven phoenix]

tonight

we should've killed but didnt

low dps, bad dps balance on the 3

all sorts of inting

[rustic copper]

How many healers?

[proven phoenix]

6

[rustic copper]

Yeah we had dmg problems

.5% more dps and we kill on 2 diff pulls far before the kill pull

[narrow ruin]

you 6 heal the paly?

[proven phoenix]

yeah

[rustic copper]

The pally is fucking insane

[proven phoenix]

if we 5 heal we'll be dropping our mw and that means our absorb healing goes down a cliff

[rustic copper]

We were considering trying it

But we were so close we didn’t want to change

We just all augment runed and killed it

[narrow ruin]

HUGE

[thorn whale]

I think we’ll be lacking damage with 6 heal but idk

We had it at 18% last night

06:30 into fight

[solar hollow]

Any tips for healing heroic beloren? I was falling behind constantly.

And are there any resources for healing each boss in heroic raids from a resto Druid pov?

[narrow ruin]

https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/common-mistakes this was super valuable to me, I struggled a bit the first week but that cleared things up

[solar hollow]

Nice ty

[reef zenith]

https://wowanalyzer.com/

also run your logs through here to help with focusing in

[rustic coyote]

General question: do you also tree with 4 reforestation on pre-pull, like build 3 stacks and right before pull enter in tree? I found quite useful on fights were you know to have aoe damage right away the pull

[proven phoenix]

no I almost never do that

complete waste of time, maybe I gain triple digit hps from it

not interested

the only fight where that would be good is beloren because that fight has good damage on pull

every other fight is like slight ticking damage and you heal nothing

[rustic coyote]

Ye that's what I mean

[proven phoenix]

theres just no fights other than that

most bosses dont do any damage on pull

[rustic coyote]

But you have aoe mechanics quite early with several low cost empowered reju already ramped for WG and Regrowth

[proven phoenix]

well the rejuvs dont remain empowered after incarn ends

most expire before any real damage anyway

ramping on pull is fine

I just dont reforestation prepull

[rustic coyote]

Gotcha

[frozen prairie]

Do i need more mastery?

[marsh prism]

yeah just get some from the store

download more

[frozen prairie]

i mean i have some items with crit/haste haste/verrsa

[marsh prism]

just use qelive top gear

numbers and pieces alone dont mean anything

[proven phoenix]

you dont need more anything man

its chill

[frozen prairie]

[shadow river]

Do you guys usually cancel aura a refo stack to line up tree and convoke ?
Currently on myth saladaar and I did not bother cause I already do okay healing and I feel like trying to line up will juste loose me hps trying to hold SM
Any thoughts ?

[marsh prism]

no

[tough portal]

Vrocas was

I think

Torty wasnt

[marsh prism]

insane amount of shit to manage and when you already have leniency with prosperity

[tough portal]

Yeah with Prosp definitely no

[marsh prism]

4 stacks was already their solution to not having to do that

im with torty on this one

[tough portal]

I think I need to make a mastery-less set of gear

Crit set and I drop Abundance, real?

[proven phoenix]

real

I also dont do that shit

in fact some of my convokes are reforestless

I cba

I'm just not interested in hyper optimising most of these bosses

[marsh prism]

they dont fucking need it

sorry im not mad at you im mad at the game

[tough portal]

https://rathack.gay/cats/cat13.gif

[proven phoenix]

me

I need to be more evil

[proven phoenix]

im mad at the game too we couldnt kill paladins tonight and it made me very sad

particularly because I feel like healers have 0 agency on that fight anymore

every wipe is due to dps

[marsh prism]

uh oh

i think we are doing one more trinky split

thing

idk i woke up from a nap and read zars raid plan for tonight and i was like omg i just woke uup

[proven phoenix]

lmfao

[marsh prism]

like

go take a nap or eat a gummy or something crazy and then read this and tell me u understand it

none of those words r in the bible

maybe "dragons" idk

[proven phoenix]

dont think the bible had dragons

[marsh prism]

idk what they get up to in the new testament im jewish

[proven phoenix]

same im muslim

well technically

[harsh quail]

I mean, the bible does drag-on, so kinda counts in spirit i guess

[marsh prism]

⭐

[onyx trail]

🔥

[proven phoenix]

hmm

the bible is kinda interesting tbh

[shadow river]

Thanks !

[proven phoenix]

np

[shadow river]

In playing with the talent reducing SM cd
So it rarely lines up, but I decided I didn’t care that much
If it proc during a ramp, so be it

[proven phoenix]

ya thats fine

I think once we get to the really hard bosses, beloren midnight falls etc then planning out each reforestation isnt even bad

its just not worth on these piss 15 pullersa

[marsh prism]

i dont hold swift if it's the best healing tool for someone who needs it but if it is looking like i can line them up i try to do so

[tame karma]

anyone ?

[marsh prism]

huh

it blooms it, and adds to the duration

[tame karma]

yuh, but I'm referring to the bloom itself, previous expansions it felt like it had more of a significant heal to it

[fossil shale]

Hey folks, wondering if someone can take a look at these trinkets and let me know what they think the best combo for M+/Raid would be?

[marsh prism]

fine. ill stream

[tough portal]

I never thought of the impact it had

I don't think it had 'more of a significant heal' either

It's just some amount of healing and maintaining it at full efficiency

[gaunt willow]

Is this the verdancy stuff? It barely contributes any healing in my keys now but did feel like more in TWW

[tough portal]

Verdancy should be the same or more rn

Than it was in most of TWW

[gaunt willow]

Hmm

[tough portal]

But the LB refreshing part is not all of it, it's a small portion. Like I said, that's just a matter of efficiency and not losing healing for 0 benefit by idk letting LB drop or refreshing it too early.

[gaunt willow]

Verdancy never seems to be more than a rounding error for me. I’ll have a closer look later

[last ivy]

Hey everyone, what are you radiance crafting after the Staff?

[rich hamlet]

The answer the last few days has been chest piece

[elder plank]

Hi with Danders Frames is there a way of setting raid frames to show as party if less than 6 people?

[last ivy]

Already have a good chest piece so i was looking for other options. Is the neck "Thalassian Phoenix Torque" any good?

[rich hamlet]

fallback is boots or belt if chest is covered for getting your arcanoweave embellishment I believe

[tame karma]

I can't remember TBH, i just remember it mattered more before, enough to actually tack it

[gaunt willow]

Auto layouts?

[tame karma]

track*

[last ivy]

Got it, thanks. Is this information written anywhere?

[rich hamlet]

wowhead resto druid guide has it in their crafted gear section

[last ivy]

Thank you 🙂

[gentle pollen]

I’ve hit 90, but I’m too low ilvl to queue for heroic dungeons. The available world quests don’t provide upgrades to any low level gear slots. What should I do to get my ilvl up to mythic plus level?

[frozen prairie]

world quests, heroics, lfr

m0

[icy hatch]

Sign up for tw raid full run

[proven phoenix]

delves unironicalluy

timewalking box, delves, preys

[frozen prairie]

ah yeah delves too

[proven phoenix]

the timewalking box drops a free normal item

[gentle pollen]

Are delves possible as resto?

[proven phoenix]

yes but they take ages

I do all mine as bear

[frozen prairie]

same

[icy hatch]

With vallera in tank they are fast

[harsh quail]

why would it take ages? valeera slices through everything with up to 200k dps

as tank

[tough portal]

Valeera does so much damage rn

[frozen prairie]

arent there hc track item too? I think i saw some wowhead post

[tough portal]

I just ping shit and she kills it and I'm afk

[icy hatch]

Ragnaros quest drop box with hc item

[frozen prairie]

Gotcha, i saw it but did not know there is quests for it.

You can do that too. PvP quests for hero track neck

there is lots of ways to gear up

[gentle pollen]

Do you need a group?

[icy hatch]

Yes, go to raids legacy and write tw in serach

[gentle pollen]

Ty!

[grizzled seal]

She scales with your ilvl

Doesn't do as much on shit alts

[vivid peak]

what's the benefit of popping refo before convoke?

[grizzled seal]

Buffs spells from convoke

[icy delta]

Guys is a ring a good crafting slot if i have 2h and chest already?

[marsh prism]

what chest

[icy delta]

myth chest

[marsh prism]

whats ur belt

we have good rings available

[tepid thorn]

For m+, can i use balance spells such as sunfire instead of doing catweaving to do damage? I know wildstalker gives bonuses to cat but do i miss something else then that?

[icy delta]

belt hero versa

haste

[marsh prism]

craft belt

farm rings

[icy delta]

okay

[tough portal]

+1

[icy delta]

ty

[marsh prism]

i also got myth chest

and am in the belt boat

[crisp meadow]

about the recommended builds for raids - we are just 10/11 manning HC clears in our friends group
from my understanding with smaller raid groups Apex talent pulls ahead.
can you confirm that?

[tough portal]

She's still doing 90k dps for me on my 230 alt

Idk

[gentle pollen]

At 210 it would probably be nonexistent damage

[tough portal]

[lofty sigil]

Is it safe to craft a myth chest with haste mastery? Currently have a 259 crit vers chest

[lyric epoch]

just keep her stacks high with healing, feels much faster then in tww as healer atleast

[tough portal]

Yeah good craft

[tough portal]

I think I go faster on my 230 mistweaver with her as DPS than I would on 270 guardian with her as healer
But ofc at 270 as guardian she can be DPS now too

Also mw damage is preposterous lmao

Buff resto druid man

[grizzled seal]

Is it?

Mw dmg seems pretty bad to me

[lyric epoch]

ah.. i mean her as tank, self as healer

[grizzled seal]

I am doing fuck all

[lyric epoch]

very relaxed at low ilvl

[tough portal]

Idk what they did to SCK proc rate

It's like 6-7 ppm

[grizzled seal]

Oh you are picking that

[tough portal]

I get procs out the ass

[grizzled seal]

It's not in my m+ build

My druid is doing significantly more DPS (when I'm trying)

[tough portal]

Damn, thats crazy, way of the crane healing is insanely high

On big pulls with SCK procs

[grizzled seal]

It is yeah

Maybe I should spec back, you are right

[tough portal]

I guess mw has to give up some healing to take damage talents idk

[grizzled seal]

These mw builds have my head spinning

[tough portal]

I just copied ortemist's build and he doesnt take apex talents

[grizzled seal]

They have like 25 variations of some dumb shit

[tough portal]

No idea how good it is

[grizzled seal]

Yeah I noticed apex is kinda ass

Also awkward to use

[tough portal]

So you're missing 2 talents that combine for like 30k dps alone?

Jadefire stomp on TFT RSK

And SCK proc

[grizzled seal]

Yeah that's probably why it feels like shit dps

This is what you get for being a white name on a spec

Playing wrong shit and thinking the spec is ass

[grizzled seal]

Also I'm gonna say this

Last week there were so many bugs for things that I thought worked

I lost hps to that too

That class is fucking insane every tier with the bugs they have

[tough portal]

Monk looks the most bugged yeah

Always bugged

I was watching a MW heal 200k hps through 1st pull Windrunner Spire just pressing Chiji and spamming SCK

[grizzled seal]

Ok I can do that without the talent

[tough portal]

Yeah but doing 110k dps too

On the pull

[grizzled seal]

Yeah that I cannot do

My monk is temporarily higher ilvl than my druid

[tough portal]

I wonder if they struggle to heal any particular boss or mechanic

[grizzled seal]

For this one day

[grizzled seal]

High tank dmg seems ass to heal

In this spec

You need sheiluns gift talents for that

Also if they take a shit ton of dmg monk just goes oom so fast

[waxen ingot]

i also heal 200 clicking random spells

[grizzled seal]

On druid I can do 200k hps for 10 mins in a dungeon

[gentle nova]

Cap

[spark river]

rycn benched

its so over

[waxen ingot]

isnt he the officer?

[gentle nova]

The bird does 0 damage

If you pay close attention

[grizzled seal]

Beloren or who are you talking about

[gentle nova]

Ye

[marsh prism]

im about to pull it

what do i need to know

i didnt look anything up

[grizzled seal]

Feels like a 3 tank boss for mortals

[grizzled seal]

Always match colors

Don't soak tank frontal, soak everything else of your color

That's it

[marsh prism]

ty

[gentle nova]

Do the guilds just copy each other

[grizzled seal]

Yes

Why wouldn't you

[gentle nova]

Or is there actual planning

Like

[grizzled seal]

There is a lot of planning as to what they are copying obviously

[gentle nova]

Did liquid actual plan on bringing 4 mm hunters and 2 frost mages or did they just copy echo

[grizzled seal]

They do 100x more prep for each boss than a world 20 guild

[grizzled seal]

If they didn't plan that, they lived in a cave since expac release

It was incredibly obvious how good MM was on >1 target when they are stacked

Even we prepped an extra hunter and we are wr60-100 or some shit

[gentle nova]

Echo was 4 healing yesterday, liquid started 3 healing and now echo is 3 healing, is that copying or planning

[tough portal]

If both started 4 healing then swapped to 3 healing

Neither of them planned on 3 healin then innit

[grizzled seal]

I think they saw the DPS requirements and swapped

[marsh prism]

bro

this trash

[grizzled seal]

You only swap to 3 if you can't make the DPS check

[grizzled seal]

Hahaha yeah

[gentle nova]

Why is nance not streaming for the fans

[marsh prism]

i yam

[gentle nova]

I yam

Hi yam

[grizzled seal]

Weird name

[marsh prism]

:3

[distant birch]

They are probably counting on 2 phasing that boss

but tbh idk if its even possible yet

[grizzled seal]

I think they thought they wouldn't be able to 3 phase it lol

There is no way they can 2 phase or

[idle lake]

is it worth spending a couple gcds applying lb multiple times to instantly stack it 3x

[gentle nova]

How does phasing work

Or when does the boss die

[distant birch]

They can get it sub 50 with 4 healers on first push, i feel like they could definitely 3 phase

[grizzled seal]

You kill the bird, get egg phase

Boss dies when egg does

[gentle nova]

And egg is on a timer?

[grizzled seal]

No, when you kill the bird

Keep up

You see this big bird? It's like a phoenix

[gentle nova]

No i know but egg has a timer where you can attacknit

?

[grizzled seal]

Yes

[gentle nova]

Oh

[distant birch]

They would probably have to get it to like 35% on first push to have a chance of 2 phasing tho, and even then im not sure if thats enough

pots and bl are kinda big

[grizzled seal]

Yeah seems insanely tight

Also this tank strat is so hard on tanks

I'm pretty sure they nerf the egg and we 3 tank it

[gentle nova]

Whats the strat

I just see meeres perma dead

And naowh

[grizzled seal]

They need to do everything in p1

It's literally that meme of a dude payphoning (rest of the raid) and dude struggling (tanks)

[gentle nova]

Lmao

Did you see niko did 200k hps on palas

[grizzled seal]

Nope

Did they kill?

[gentle nova]

Yea

Playing apex too

[grizzled seal]

5 heal I assume?

[gentle nova]

Atp i feel like no apex is troll

Yeah 5

[sudden rover]

can someone explain to me how I can check the uptime of my trinket on my logs pls?

[grizzled seal]

Why?

[spark river]

having 2 augs buff only 2 shamans in egg phase is interesting

[grizzled seal]

Find the buff in buffs section

[gentle nova]

I have seen cracked apex logs i guess

But maybe apex is just too good for self healing absorbs

[grizzled seal]

Yeah

Was this 200k in a log? Better not be a details screenshot

[gentle nova]

Nah it was details they priv log

But i know its double counting

Still he was above 200k on details whole fight

[grizzled seal]

That's still 180-190 though

That's insane

Good effort

[gentle nova]

He was cracked

[sudden rover]

ty

[grizzled seal]

Did you see me try that stupid spec?

I put all talents in procs and spammed sm/wg on cd

[gentle nova]

And was it good

[west lotus]

how is resto in pvp? i want to do that an m+, but torn between a few classes.

[grizzled seal]

Nope

But it was funny

[gentle nova]

Niko has 2 wg cpm and plays no 4p

[marsh prism]

y is the egg a thing

[gentle nova]

😹

[marsh prism]

omfg.

[grizzled seal]

No 4p seems stupid

[marsh prism]

brick ass wall

[gentle nova]

I want the apex buff now

[grizzled seal]

VI and just spamming regrowths?

[gentle nova]

Let us be op as fuck

[grizzled seal]

Or what was he doing

[gentle nova]

Yeah and using tol for reramping his rejuvs

Refo i mean

Less mana

[torn thunder]

Anyone else had trouble with Danders frame not being able to hide Symbiotic Relationship? If I blacklist it, it still shows up during combat

[gentle nova]

This boss seems insane

[spark river]

echo did 41 % to first egg

[gentle nova]

Gg shitter guilds

[grizzled seal]

Means you can't 2 phase it

[spark river]

Maybe possible?

[gentle nova]

With lust and pots

[grizzled seal]

Need to be way lower

30-35%

Because there are no pots on the second go

[gentle nova]

So glad this wasnt a trash boss

Everything else was underwhelming

[grizzled seal]

It will be nuked next reset

I don't think paladin and alleria are easy for normal guilds

[gentle nova]

I know they arent but for rwf watch purposes they were underwhelming

[grizzled seal]

Also I think paladins were overnerfed

Should've been 6 debuffs, not 4

We did heroic yesterday and heroic puts more debuffs out

[gentle nova]

Lol

Did you kill palas

[grizzled seal]

No, we only did heroic yesterday

Mythic reclear today

[marsh prism]

yolo lura pull

[odd rapids]

Hello, any tips for raid healing as resto? I find myself struggling to keep up with the healing power of other guildmates, half of me is thinking that it's because I get too tunnel visioned into applying rejuvs to as many ppl as I can and not spamming regrowth as much, but still, would love if some raiders can drop some tips on healing in a raid environment 😄

[marsh prism]

ok

[gentle nova]

Read pins

I feel like rdruid would be better than double disc

[glass crane]

at doing zdps during egg phase

[clever chasm]

Guys im the only who have mana problem in higher key? how you manage your mana or you must drink too after bigger pulls?

[gentle nova]

Oh true

😹

[carmine sapphire]

Hi everyone! I am struggling to get a hero neck (my last champ item) does it make sense to craft it? or should I use my 2 sparks for something else? We are currently progressing mythic raid, so we should be able to gear up soon. any advice?

[frozen prairie]

you have pvp quests that gives hero neck @carmine sapphire also i think from timewalking firelands quests there is good chance to get hhero track neck

[carmine sapphire]

uuu thank you that is a good advice. I´ll go see

[frozen prairie]

got this on 3 my chars. Idk if i am (un) lucky or it has high drop chance

[thorn plover]

thats probably about the best thing you can get from TW, grats

[fleet jewel]

hero is only from tw raid, right?

[tough portal]

Yeah

[fleet jewel]

[frozen prairie]

there are raids that have skip to Rag so you are done in 2min

[tough portal]

Gotta find one of those then

Knock it out on alts

[bright swift]

I got hero pants

I still don't have it from anywhere else

[thorn plover]

nice, you been hunting pants for a while

[calm dirge]

do you guys like my 1 log

I did my best

[balmy spire]

had to choose mythic set chest in my vault

3x offhand weapons

jesus...

[crisp meadow]

about the recommended builds for raids - we are just 10/11 manning HC clears in our friends group
from my understanding with smaller raid groups Apex talent pulls ahead.
can you confirm that?

[tough portal]

Yeah I think logically apex-less would be worse at that size

[wispy snow]

any tips to lining up reforestation with convoke? apparently i'm to dumb to figure it out lol (i'm good with using cancel aura macro just can't seem to figure out the timing with CotD cdr)

[bright swift]

If you play VI and you use it within 45 sec it lines up

if you use it within 1 min you either don't care

or you hold

or you cancelaura your first stack

[grizzled seal]

I'm just sending on cd

Too much brainpower that I do not possess

[wispy snow]

ok i'll try that out tonight its simple math but apparently i'm too dumb to line it up lol

[grizzled seal]

There are plenty of other things to focus on

[wispy snow]

true

[grizzled seal]

With just sending on cd most of my convokes line up anyway

[wispy snow]

i'm just lookikng at wowanalyzer and thats the only thing i see it yelling at me about

[grizzled seal]

There are things to fix beyond wowanalyzer

[wispy snow]

i'm fucking sweating over here tryign to keeep up with a great disc and good misteweaver lol

[grizzled seal]

Mainly cpm

[gentle charm]

its a shame that we are opposite of dps

where good healers kill your parse

[wispy snow]

last night i really got my SM and WG cpms way up and helped infinitely

ya stinks we kill each others output...healing def a team game lol

and at the end of they day if we are kiling bosses and ppl aren't rotting then we are doing our job lol... just trying to push to be as efficient as possible

[cloud comet]

Hiya, might be a really silly question but I wanted to ask how we use germ? Specifically within m+.

Do we default to 1 rejuv or 2 rejuvs before damage comes? I've tried doing 1 rejuv, but out of panic I just send another rejuv cause I don't see the hp moving as quick as I'd like them to. Do I need to just trust the 1 rejuv and regrowth it up or idk

Just struggling to know when I should germ and I think I'm just wasting a lot of mana sending them out almost all the time when I actually don't need to

[inner sonnet]

regrowth it up

[wispy snow]

in m+ i just blanket everything

use your innervate and drink if your low between pulls

but ya to move bars you gotta regrowth ppl

and again like totry was saying a second ago not missing swiftmend or wild growth casts

[gentle charm]

I'm kinda liking how our hots are so strong

and we aren't spamming regrowth as much

or at least it feels like a SM-LB is so powerful

[wispy snow]

ya m+ output obv feels strong

[cloud comet]

oh no I've been ontop of those. So it's good to see I'm doing at least that right 😅

[wispy snow]

you can always wrath for mana too

when packs slow down

[cloud comet]

So how do I use germ then? Just when someone is gonna take insane damage?

[gentle charm]

huh

[grizzled seal]

I don't even play MS in keys

[wispy snow]

oh i'll have to try without it lol... i run it but i dont push insanely high keys

so ignore my input lol

[grizzled seal]

If you use sotf on rejuvs and cast more regrowths you will never have mana issues

It's actually nearly impossible to oom as a druid

[spark river]

This tells me you re not really playing correctly in m+

[sharp epoch]

Guys could u help me please like an advice or something? I got my resto up but I can’t do the preys

I don’t know how to kill the boss

[spark river]

Go guardian

[wispy snow]

fair i'm only running like 12s and am having 0 issues was trying to respond to the germ and mana issue ealier 🙂 if ppl are new to the class and maybe dont know basic tools

[sharp epoch]

Ohhh!!! Does that work on nightmare?

I’m so frustrated 🥹 balance doesn’t work

[calm dirge]

I'd either go dps or tank tbh. It feels way more smooth than healer

[grizzled seal]

You can just do preys as balance now

[spark river]

Guardian can clear any world content

[grizzled seal]

The spec is easy and does a lot of dmg

Spec elune, it has literally 4 buttons

[lethal lichen]

for preys use delve build

for resto

[calm dirge]

Imo it doesn't do enough damage to be worth it

[mortal fjord]

guys is it worth taking Regenerative heartwood over Improved Swiftmwnd in m+ since my switmend healing is almost negligable like 1-1.5% ?

[tough portal]

Rejuv count is usually a play-it-by-ear situation in keys, you gotta learn as you play through the dungeons what spots are dangerous, when certain mechanics are coming that you might want to double down Rejuvs or not. In between, SOTF Rejuvs cover a good chunk of the group so you won't be casting Rejuvs permanently like that.

[lethal lichen]

to lazy to have weapon wor guardian

for

[cloud comet]

Gotcha, apply brain, solve issue, makes sense :3 thank you very much for the response, greatly appreciated

[sharp epoch]

Okay do I go raid or delve build then?

Or m+?

[tough portal]

Just pay attention to HP bars, send Convoke if you misjudged and feel underprepared, but you dont want to be putting up Rejuvs while people are taking heavy damage already

[cloud comet]

Gotcha yeah, that's why I ask about the double rejuv because I've been overprepping and absolutely wasting mana

[mortal fjord]

pls share your opinion

[spark river]

St build should be fine for preys

[wispy snow]

when i'm pugging keys i overheal like crazy bc you never know when ppl will stand in shit lol

[tough portal]

RH is not bad, it's nice, but 1% Swiftmend healing is crazy low

[spark river]

Stop spamming rejuvs into full hp bars

[grizzled seal]

There is nothing to stand in in keys

90% of dmg is unavoidable

[tough portal]

Yeah usually stuff to stand in just one-shots pretty early on in key levels

[grizzled seal]

Yep

If you are standing in shit in +16 you will just die

[tough portal]

And in those key levels, resto healing is bonkers at covering up those mistakes

[last ivy]

What HoT are we supposed to consume with swiftmend? I try to consume wild growth. Or is that something that i shouldn't even be thinking? 😅

[tough portal]

WG is the best one to consume for sure

[thorn plover]

Even better, play VI

[tough portal]

WRONG

[wispy snow]

i'm talking about puggins 10s baby... you should see these mongoloids finding ways to die lol

[tough portal]

Prosp my goat

[last ivy]

Thanks

[spark river]

Stop justifying poor gameplay on your pugs

I play the same 10s

So the others here

[tough portal]

Be nice both of you smh

[spark river]

Im nice

[wispy snow]

i wasn't trying to be mean 🙂 just practical

[tough portal]

You're a little finger pointy

Be nice to your fellow LFG 10s doers

[thorn plover]

Listen, I didn't "sign up" for a +10, I signed up for a 35-minute psychological evaluation of my own sanity.
​I zone in, and the Tank—a guy named "Deathwish" with 4.2 million HP—immediately pulls three packs, two patrols, and a nearby boss because "the timer is tight." Meanwhile, the Rogue is already at 10% health because he’s standing in a frontal cleave like it’s a refreshing mist, and the Mage is 40 yards away behind a pillar where my heals go to die.
​"Healer??" the Tank types as he drops to 5% in 0.8 seconds. My internal cooldowns are screaming. I’ve used every button on my bars. I’m popping potions like they’re Tic-Tacs. I’m giving this group the literal gift of life, and what do I get? "Move faster."
​We wipe because nobody interrupted the one spell that turns the floor into lava. The DPS are arguing about whose "Details!" profile is more impressive while I sit on the floor eating a magical croissant, staring into the abyss, wondering if I should just reroll to a Ret Paladin so I can also ignore mechanics and bubblestrat my way through life.
​See you at the next pack. I’ll be the one crying behind the tree.

[tough portal]

Curious about something now, how much healing do you get out of your Swiftmends?

[wispy snow]

heals? hello??

[gaunt willow]

Honestly with Prosperity you can blanket cover everyone with rejuvs and germs in no time at all and at low cost

[thorn plover]

In m+?

[tough portal]

Yeah

[thorn plover]

Lemme check I logged last night

[white sentinel]

thoughts on HB over NB in m+?

[cloud comet]

i don't play prosperity

[thorn plover]

3.3%

consistently

[tough portal]

Prosp diff ig

But that's still more than what the other homie said a few lines above

It was 6.8% of my last key, 13 seat

[icy mica]

know that u feel, take a lock that stay on 45 yrds everytime, and die a lot cause "dont receive heal"

[tough portal]

Evokers are my best friends now ngl to you

[sharp epoch]

AHHHHH OMG BRO U R A LIFE CHANGER

I FINALLY DID IT🥹

[midnight robin]

SotF is a choice between Rejuvenation and Regrowth. It has no interaction with Wild Growth anymore

[thorn plover]

yeah i went back through quite a few m+ logs and its consistently 3-3.5%

[thorn plover]

dont answer if you dont know what hes talking about

[tough portal]

I need to get some addon to autolog my keys again

I keep forgeting

[thorn plover]

i think my mrt just turns on logs

idk

[tough portal]

#resto message
I screenshot the overall last night but I woulda liked to have the breakdown for like last boss or something

[midnight robin]

What kind of response is that lol

[thorn plover]

swiftmend consumes a hot when you use it

if you arent talented into VI

thats what he was asking

[midnight robin]

But fair enough, he’s talking about the specific hot since he’s not running VI

[hasty flume]

He means it doesnt buff up WG anymore I think

[thorn plover]

sorry its too early im still not finished my coffee

[midnight robin]

But it’s not important in m+ at least. You swiftmend someone who needs it, not a full HP target

If you’re gonna Swiftmend, Swiftmend. Don’t worry about the hot you consume

[tough portal]

In between damage you're still swiftmending on cd

And you dont want to consume rejuvs since that defeats the purpose

[stable aspen]

hello guys, anyone can point me in the direction of a good UI for healing on resto? I went into the suggested-ui-imports thread, but it talks about weakauras soooo

[thorn plover]

in a 29 min magisters my SM cpm is 4 with VI

[stable aspen]

assume its not updated

[thorn plover]

sending that shit off cd

[tough portal]

You also can still take steps to ensure you dont eat a Rejuv, SOTF Rejuv especially, even if you're Swiftmending for the spotheal

[midnight robin]

Idk why you’d send on CD when it’s your strongest ST heal

[wispy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/larry-enticer-send-it-just-gif-13099040

[tough portal]

Cuz power of the archdruid is the strongest talent in your talent tree

[midnight robin]

If there’s no damage just let Efflo and WG deal with the small events

[thorn plover]

Because there is far more value in having hots out than having sm to st heal

[tough portal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/tophermcgee3-cap-old-captain-america-UWMqiZtcixB4MoWX20

[median marsh]

Imagine pug DPS standing in efflo

[tough portal]

Swiftmend on cd and play the spec properly

[wispy snow]

dont you dare rejuv full healthbars the druid police are coming for you

[midnight robin]

You can easily have hots out without using SM on CD and you’ll still have full mana

[thorn plover]

Imagine holding sm with our talents

Wild behavior

[golden siren]

@tough portal you not taking thriving or nb? I get you want to dps with call but is imp sm better healing?

[tough portal]

That's a loaded question

[midnight robin]

The only reason to not hold it would be to sit on the SotF buff so you can burst with apex

[tough portal]

Call is incompatible with a build for content where you're any worried about healing

[gentle charm]

nb is sooooooo good

[tough portal]

I'm not taking NB in keys, but yes TV. I think there are some sidegrade-y talents in our tree

[grizzled seal]

Not using sm on cd is objectively stupid

[gentle charm]

i think not taking prosperity is trolling for m+ wtf

its so much healing

[tough portal]

yeah I think prosp is pretty insane but some people are big VI truthers and I dont wanna offend them yet

[midnight robin]

In raids yes, in M+ no

[gentle charm]

[grizzled seal]

Nothing changes in m+

You use SM for effects

[gentle charm]

yeah I mean not strictly on cooldown but I slam SM nonstop and I rarely run out of charges

[grizzled seal]

Look at how much SM heals for

It's a joke

Now look at how much effects from SM heal for

Literally 8x if not more

[gentle charm]

I had 96 SM casts in my last 26 minute magisters

[grizzled seal]

People used to cast swiftmend for healing in 2016 and they still think this is the case

[tough portal]

My Swiftmend is a good chunk of my breakdown anyways and I'm slamming that 6+ cpm

[grizzled seal]

Happens every expac

[tough portal]

I don't think these are mutually exclusive

[grizzled seal]

Yeah sure

[tough portal]

Getting effective healing out of it and not missing uses of it

[grizzled seal]

But you won't even get good effective healing if you aren't slamming it a lot

[gentle charm]

I almost always slam it on a tank regrowth imo

[tough portal]

Windrunner Spire @thorn plover

Love Prosp

[grizzled seal]

I cba with prosperity in m+ cuz it's too easy

Main reason

[spark river]

You can never force me too play prosperity in m+

[tough portal]

I'm prosp and manual efflo

[spark river]

diabolical

[grizzled seal]

I wish they buffed m+ by like 40%

Unironically

[gentle charm]

actually just find 4 melee to play with, its the best feeling in the game

[grizzled seal]

This balancing is legitimately dogshit

[spark river]

Yeah I d love the 10s to be a bit challenging

[gentle charm]

my main m+ group is 4 melee and healing is so easy

[tough portal]

Keys are legit 3 levels too easy

[grizzled seal]

If not more

When you zone into the first +10 on day 1 you should deplete it

That's the rule

If that doesn't happen, they fucked up tuning

[tough portal]

That mythicstats site lists the average level of top 2000 keys for week 1 at 15.6
Last season was 13.4 and TWW s1 was 11.0

Crazy work

[grizzled seal]

What was s2?

[thorn whale]

I qued up for a 14 just to see how the scaling was

[distant birch]

In dragonflight season 1 it was like 18 probably

[tough portal]

11.9

[thorn whale]

It was legit the same as a 10

[grizzled seal]

I think somewhere between tww s1 and s2 is ideal

[spark river]

At 12 would be nice

Challenging, but not impossible

[median marsh]

There’s no heal check bosses this rotation

Which sucks

Need bosses like Swampface and the Patchwork boss from Necrotic Wake

[gentle charm]

I mean trash is the real check

[grizzled seal]

Yeah also true

[signal blaze]

Is it viable to not pick apex in raids?

[marsh prism]

yes

[grizzled seal]

Yes but I don't think you drop apex on the last 2 in voidspire at least

[bright swift]

What why

[grizzled seal]

Just need to do healing on absorbs

[median marsh]

Some is rough, others is just an unfair amount of damage, MT elf corridor comes to mind

Rest isn’t too bad

[grizzled seal]

How are you doing it without

[thorn whale]

Absorb healing goes crazy with apex

[bright swift]

i'll have to see it for myself again

[gentle charm]

honestly I don't think its that bad if your tank isn't a psycho and pulls 2 of the rune glaiver dudes

[bright swift]

but what build would you even play then

[gentle charm]

but yeah that's a brutal hallway

[grizzled seal]

Niko allegedly dumpstered his mws on that

[bright swift]

and he was playing apex?

[thorn whale]

Just standard apex build

[grizzled seal]

I think so?

[bright swift]

Link it

[grizzled seal]

Not sure

Their logs are private

[bright swift]

No i mean Donby

link a build

[median marsh]

Apex + Prosperity with Heal Absorbs would be very strong no

[grizzled seal]

I think Niko is a Vi enjoyer

[thorn whale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xVhyfDa7PAwLY4T3?fight=57&type=healing

I’m playing VI

[median marsh]

Just thinking about the double apex proc with SM

[bright swift]

ok nice

can try that I guess

no MW

????????

how do you deal with that

[thorn whale]

Only 4 dispells now

[bright swift]

the mass aoe?

[thorn whale]

Mass dispell

Immunities

[bright swift]

yeah fuck that

[thorn whale]

Works fine

[grizzled seal]

5.4 wg Jesus

Mattiu told me Niko played 2p and had 2 wg cpm

Niko cooks every tier are honestly legendary

[thorn whale]

I did 5.7 WG on our rekill

Of vaelgor

Went hard

[grizzled seal]

That's crazy

Lmao

Apex too?

[thorn whale]

Ye

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xVhyfDa7PAwLY4T3?fight=42&type=casts&source=5

[bright swift]

wait what

apex on vaelgor?

[thorn whale]

I played apex all night

[bright swift]

bro honestly

[thorn whale]

Wanted to try

[bright swift]

you still have so much regrowth healing

you'd get so much more value from non apex

if you played a second TV

[grizzled seal]

Yeah looking at this cpm

[distant birch]

df s1 is bis

[grizzled seal]

Second tv and embrace

[distant birch]

idk if we even had everyone actually manage to do a weekly week 1

[thorn whale]

Imma be honest as I’ve said before

[distant birch]

had some 3h long no lever keys too

[thorn whale]

I know fk all about talents

[distant birch]

[thorn whale]

I just press buttons

[grizzled seal]

Second tv, embrace, photo, wild synth

[bright swift]

[grizzled seal]

Has to be better

That's prosp?

[bright swift]

no

wait

yes

[grizzled seal]

How the fuck

[bright swift]

yes it is

[grizzled seal]

Ok nice one dude

[bright swift]

6.1 WG

[thorn whale]

God damn

[grizzled seal]

That can't be good

[harsh quail]

If they bring back rlp in a future season in its og difficulty I think I am gonna get ptsd

[grizzled seal]

What are you even wging

[bright swift]

damage

tree cdr

idk

I wasn't oom

[grizzled seal]

Oh you played tree too?

[bright swift]

yea

[grizzled seal]

Which boss is that

[bright swift]

vaelgor

[median marsh]

Have you had the icon bug on that boss

Shows Tree off CD

When it’s on CD

[bright swift]

no

[median marsh]

Only had it happen on that boss

[junior inlet]

whats the proc chance on sylvan beckoning

[slow pasture]

I hate so much books in MT

[gentle charm]

the secret tech I saw a tank do was to go to the left

and pull the final guy from there

[sleek spire]

What you guys think of Litany of Lighblind Wrath for M+?

[gentle charm]

and the books

[gentle charm]

hit swipe win game

[spark river]

thats patched

[gentle charm]

[idle lake]

in dungeons how do you decide between rg and rejuv after a swiftmend

[silk ice]

Are people dying? Rg

[gentle charm]

rejuv to spread rejuv, regrowth to heal

[idle lake]

do you sm and wg simultaneously

or just wg during damage and sm other stuff

[eternal bough]

hi guys anyone has problem In Windrunner Spire ? i just can't dispel all that ! in m+ 15 it has to be insta dispel

[idle lake]

on the first pull?

[eternal bough]

first pull and also all the pulls before boss

[sleek spire]

prio mage/evo, you shouldnt dispell yourself if you have barkskin

[gentle charm]

I just dispel one guy then slam all my cooldowns until a bubble comes up

[idle lake]

i put lb on a damage and ironbark a different one

then send cds

[eternal bough]

its so hard i just cant sometimes its 4 dispels

[idle lake]

yeah i struggle too in 13s

[eternal bough]

yeah same

[idle lake]

dots are nasty as hell

[eternal bough]

what other dps class can dispel

?

[gentle charm]

lock

[eternal bough]

this

[idle lake]

its magic dispell i dont think any can

oh lock can

[gentle charm]

dk with amz?

[eternal bough]

i'll search for groups with Lock

[gentle charm]

or the personal one

[idle lake]

but demo is the best spec

so unlikely they can do the magic dispell

bc its felhunter ability right?

[silk ice]

Imp

[gentle charm]

tbh I think dps using raid cooldowns + standing in bubble + cds can carry you through

[eternal bough]

we have to stay in bubble first pull ?

[gentle charm]

the bubble gives you DR right?

or am I hallucinating

[eternal bough]

i think y

[thorn whale]

Isn’t it just a heal more angle?

[silk ice]

They have this

[idle lake]

i thought that only works for the enemies

[idle lake]

oh i didnt know this

is singe magic the dispell

[silk ice]

Yeah but they normally do the felhunter grimoire

It’s a choice node

[half timber]

LOL got this from the Quel Danas chest

[idle lake]

i normally dispell my warrior

put bark on my rogue

[silk ice]

[eternal bough]

what is queldanas chest ?

[half timber]

couldnt believe my eyes was like ayo what the, tho i never killed alleria lol

[half timber]

theres a weekly quest where you can get this chest and apparently you can get raid stuff in that

[gentle charm]

[eternal bough]

ah the weekly^^

[silk ice]

[thorn whale]

The timewalking one, right?

[half timber]

speak to this dude he got this quest

[half timber]

Yea

oh boy im not gonna change this trinket for a while lol

[idle lake]

what does the felhunter one do

[silk ice]

Extra kick

[idle lake]

ahh

[slow pasture]

Instead had a monk Rolling from the right taking all books with miniboss. People Out of sight cause of walls taking 60k x3 dmg from book D:

[wise galleon]

just discovered that coach whistles stack?

or you can get the buff from just one diff person?

[thorn plover]

I'll try prosp tonight when we push. Going 16s tonight

[silk ice]

Would be funny if it did, top logs at the end of the tier will use 19 coach simps on 1 guy

[wise galleon]

I put it on my friend and he put it on me and it works but maybe the "appliable" part of the buff can be put only once, I would need a third guy to test it

Probably not a thing otherwise it would already pop out in top parses

[thorn plover]

You can only get it once

It's like soleahs

Can only have one coached buff

[granite sparrow]

imagine start of first boss in marche, before pull 12 rejuvs, lifebloom on tank, wildgrowth and bam start with convoke. What is the next priority, swiftmend the tank, spam regrowths until rejuvs<6 or wildgrowth again? that situation is melting my brain

[thorn plover]

Why only 12 before pull

Slacker

[granite sparrow]

10 sec pull and gotta imagine when somehow is gonna start the timer

[silk ice]

Keep ramping and drinking

While everyone yaps

[thorn plover]

Ask for longer pull timers that's troll

[granite sparrow]

alright but after what's the priority after convoke?

[thorn plover]

Regrowth spam

[granite sparrow]

then wildgrowth then only after lifebloom?

[thorn plover]

You're popping Refo before pull right?

[granite sparrow]

yes

[thorn plover]

I just send WG on cd

[granite sparrow]

even in the middle of regrowth spam or is that the only exception?

[thorn plover]

I still do, but regrowth spam is probably better tbh

[granite sparrow]

thank you so much!

[thorn plover]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/63BpgqjKAwzdGDXH?fight=17&type=healing&source=11

heres mine from last night

[granite sparrow]

i also do this but would you say that rejuv is correct or is it better to use the buffed regrowth in the burst

[bright swift]

@grizzled seal top log on Vanguard is wildstalker

[half timber]

For what enchants do we go for btw?

[thorn plover]

Wowhead guide has that info

[idle lake]

how much does comp matter for m+

[thorn plover]

Probably regrowth would have been better there tbh

[granite sparrow]

thanks!

[thorn plover]

Depends how high youre pushing. Below title keys it hardly matters

[idle lake]

we want to push title this season

[thorn plover]

As long as you have brez and lust

[idle lake]

we have rdruid(me) brewmaster sub rogue arms warrior and demo lock

demo lock is sometimes an aug evoker

[thorn plover]

Sounds like a good comp

Aug is so nice to have for helping with dispels

[tough portal]

Looks kinda goated, no lie

[thorn plover]

So is lock tho

[grizzled seal]

ok and

[idle lake]

yeah i dont know how much they are using them sadly

wish there was a way to track

[thorn plover]

Logs

[idle lake]

true

ive sent you the logs from my most revent dungeon

everyone logged off after the failed windrunner 13

[bright swift]

That's kinda wild no?

get it

hahahahaha

[half timber]

hm looked at the enchants, why we go for leech on the shoulders?

[idle lake]

to pad healing

[thin nacelle]

anyone have a macro for nature's swiftness and regrowth by chance?

[dense lantern]

did you stalk them??

[idle lake]

wouldnt it just be
#showtooltip
/cast nature's swiftness
/cast regrowth

[thorn plover]

I use a shift modifier on it

So shift = ns, no shift = normal regrowth

[idle lake]

thats prettt smart

i have ns bound to V

[thorn plover]

I don't have it bound at all on its own

Id probably forget it exists

[idle lake]

i used to have it built into convoke

but useful to have it on its own

is there a bug with sotf

i find if i sm -> rg -> spam rejuv while rg is casting

i get the empowered rejuv

not the rg

[thorn plover]

Should get both

Did at one point anyways

[idle lake]

that might be whats happening

[thorn plover]

Used to get 3 regrowth and 1 empowered rej

[half timber]

why do we go for leech enchant on shoulders according to wowhead

[idle lake]

rejuv just more obvious

I see

[thorn plover]

What else you rather put there

[half timber]

is there any choice tho

[thorn plover]

Leech is good

[idle lake]

what else can you put there

speed and avoidance?

[main timber]

It is there because it is the best

[idle lake]

how come leech is best

[main timber]

Because you are already very fast and if I asked you what damage avoidance works on you would stare at me blankly

[half timber]

mhm i see

[idle lake]

its any ground/aoe effect no?

[main timber]

No it depends on the spells flags

[idle lake]

oh I see

[main timber]

Nowadays someone does maintain a list every season

But you still rarel ybother unless you're doing top 50 keys or if it works on everything a boss does (rare but has happened)

[tough portal]

Even armor doesnt affect all physical hits

[idle lake]

W coding

[main timber]

It's intentional, but not well communicated

[gentle charm]

guys very specific dungeon question: on skyreach last boss, do we have anything at all to stop the mob from pulling people off? I know typhoon and ursols don't work

[lean cave]

what trinket pair would y'all use with only M+ trinkets available? I'm currently on heart of wind and emerald coach's whistle, but I'm not sure if it would be better to drop whistle for smth else

[lament cipher]

Crucible is still very strong

[pulsar kettle]

no, group kills the add or you let the person that got grabbed jump back on with a movement ability.

[crystal dome]

Hello guys, long time no see(last played as resto in raid during DF), so now that I am raiding again for the first time I suck big time.
I ran my log in wowanalyzer and it showed many issues. While I will eventually try to clear them all out, I would appreciate any advice on what to start improving as highest priority? I was thinking proper lifebloom management (no early refreshes, no target swap) and improving its uptime. But would love to hear your guidance.
Again sorry that it looks awful, read the guides, watched some, but I guess it takes time to grasp everything and master the spec.
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/Nn3jZd87whTzvLmX/44/45

[thorn plover]

Not much in this game is well communicated. Look at how pandemic works for example

[thorn plover]

You just let them fall off and they can use a movement ability back on. Or kill the mob..

[main timber]

I agree, but at the same time it is very difficult to find a place for all of those things in-game

And very easy to scare people with more than 1x single line of text on something

[thorn plover]

Yeah definitely

[pulsar kettle]

me looking at l'ura healer trinket

[thorn plover]

I like that it adds some complexity/hidden knowledge

[wise galleon]

whyy is grid2 not putting the tank at second spot in my party frame

the setting literally orders them by tank first

sometimes it just bugs

[bright swift]

Top build on Paladins plays no reforest and photo with apex

hmmmm

[idle lake]

mighty bash would stun it but not sure how worth that is especially with group dr

[thorn plover]

What classes can't get back to the platform?

Does rogue have something?

[pulsar kettle]

ret

[gentle charm]

I just feel helpless on them lol

[thorn plover]

Fuck ret let him fall

[pulsar kettle]

rogue can step but "path not found" is fun feature

same with war

[gentle charm]

like 'guess i'll throw a 5cp rip, gl guys'

[thorn plover]

Warrior can charge

[pulsar kettle]

takes some big balls to trust that if youve mained warrior for more than a season lmao

[thorn plover]

Lol

[gentle charm]

also I noticed that movement abilities get queued for after you get dropped

[idle lake]

shadowstep

[thorn plover]

You can turn while gripped now, so you can pre face the platform and spam your ability

[idle lake]

anyone watching the race ?

[thorn plover]

I usually am locked in watching it but it's so fucking boring this time

[idle lake]

really? ive been enjoying it

shame on their last wipe

was such a good pull until then

[tough portal]

Take maim

If you really want to help with this

[idle lake]

how long is maim stun at 5cp?

[gentle charm]

5 sec

that's actually kind of wild

[idle lake]

thought it was 6 tbh

lmao

[tough portal]

It's not a bad shout, bites in between rip maintenance dont do muuch damage anyways

[hasty blade]

Question. I'm still getting crucible trinket "simming" higher than my heart of the wind but QE doesnt rank it that way. Which is accurate?

[main timber]

It depends on ilvls

This is at 263, you can see Crucible is clearly very OP for its level but it's also capped at that

[fervent hawk]

Chest second crafted item ?

[thorn plover]

If you didn't pull myth chest from vault it's a good option

[fervent hawk]

thanks mate

[frosty canyon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hrKRPwG2p6a4DJvm?fight=37&type=healing

Been working on my LB uptime so was happy with this parse.
Thing's I'm seeing:
Still casting too many rejuvs and clipping them, not using innervate nearly enough, not tranqing with the optimal amount of HoTs up.

Anything else?

oh and need to work on Tree uptime still

[solid apex]

is there a haste cap or any haste value we should aim for this tier ? ı cant find any reliable info anwhere for this

[whole horizon]

no and aim for as much as possible

[solid apex]

these are my stats

[whole horizon]

use QE Live to help with your gearing decisions

DR exists in-game but its such a valuable stat for us you ignore it and keep stacking

[idle lake]

can someone explain part of wcl to me

what does the missed section of dispells mean

is it where a dot fully finished while the dispell was off cd?

[solid apex]

is apex talent not viable for raid ? ı see some dudus not using any of it.

[plucky flare]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=240155/arcanoweave-spellthread

Thoughts on this? Do we really need the mana?

[main timber]

It's mana vs stamina. Pick whichever you want

[hushed sand]

Good morning. I'm back for more education. I did much better last night after reviewing some logs and setting up personal notes for better timing. However, I am struggling to understand "how" to accomplish what I'm seeing it this screenshot. I'm typically proccing Refo before pull to throw out hots and WG prior to Convoke around the 5 seconds mark. What I don't grasp is this... No matter how you manage Refo stacks pre-pull, you are reset to zero at pull. How is this guy able to proc Refo at 00:18, while also channeling Convoke prior, and then Refo again at 00:52. The math isn't mathing for me.

[bright swift]

Control of the dream

oh

18 secs is probably possible with prosperity

if you hit low health people

[hushed sand]

That is true.. he does run Prosperity.

[bright swift]

boss casts aoe on pull so if you just hit low health people

and convoke also reduces the cooldown of swiftmend

[hushed sand]

But still, wouldn't this mean he would not be proccing Refo pre pull ? I didn't really think about CotD helping, but yeah.. Refo is Incarn, so that makes sense.

[grizzled kayak]

Can anyone tell what’s the addon this fellow is using to track dungeons cast?

[bright swift]

that means he doesn't refo pre pull yes

[thorn plover]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/dungeoncasts

[grizzled kayak]

You are great Purr. Thanks again

[half timber]

about to craft a pair of Wrists, should I wait till I have 80 Myth crests or go for Hero track? Currently sitting at 40 Myth. I also got myself Haste Mastery Stat from the AH

expensive mats

[hushed sand]

My brain is melting now. haha. Very interesting to learn things you just didn't understand as well as you thought you did. So, the net-net of it is that he is leveraging Prosperity, SM on low health targets at pull, possibly before and after Convoke, and CotD to get a refo at :18. Anything else I should keep in mind?

[thorn plover]

Why wrist? There are farmable wrists from m+

Don't craft hero, that's a waste

[bright swift]

I don't think the reforest at 18 is even optimal

[half timber]

because I need an upgrade anyway, and its a BiS craft whatsoever according to wowhead

[bright swift]

what even happens at 18 secs on that boss

[bright swift]

don't craft wrists man

[thorn plover]

Wrists is not a good craft

[half timber]

what then?

belt?

[thorn plover]

chest/boots/belt

[bright swift]

chest if you don't have one

[half timber]

oh yea my boots are still blue veteran.. yea about time to change that lol

[hushed sand]

Fair point. Mana efficiency I guess? Although he does hit Innervate at :16

[bright swift]

there's no need for any mana efficiency , his boss fight is 1:30

[thorn plover]

There are good boe boots too, might be worth checking before you craft

Nullstriders

Won't be cheap tho.

[half timber]

boe? whats that

[thorn plover]

bind on equip

[hushed sand]

Another valid point. I don't know then. I'm just trying to learn. He did 226k and I did 115k on my best pull, sooo. Also, I didn't understand how it was even possible so I learned something today thanks to your help.

[thorn plover]

they drop in raid, have random stats. so they can have haste mastery and be on the auctionhouse

[bright swift]

didn't he solo heal

like you're comparing yourself to an impossible log

[hushed sand]

Hell, I have no idea. I didn't look that deeply.

[lyric surge]

he did

[hushed sand]

%100... again, I'm just looking at what he did to understand "how". That's all.

[thorn plover]

🧀

[gentle nova]

Procing refo at 18-20 is only possible with ironbark on pull

Cotd doesnt do anything

[bright swift]

100% logs is bad example most of the time

[hushed sand]

Now my head is going to explode. Let me look at that

[gentle nova]

Ironbark, use 2 sm , convoke, proc refo

[glad sierra]

How does ironbark help with refo?

[thorn plover]

dryad

[half timber]

think imma go save and go for crafted boots

[gentle nova]

Ironbark gives you a dryad

[uneven sparrow]

how much worse is tree vs convoke at this point? I see most people running convoke but still see some top logs with tree

[glad sierra]

Dryad sm casts count towards refo then?

[bright swift]

A lot of us here are convinced convoke is better but RWF still runs Tree for some reason

[gentle nova]

Read your talents

[hushed sand]

Yeah.. i was just about to say that. Ok.. very interesting.

[half timber]

who doesnt like a big ass tree man in the middle of a raid