guardian

[forest flume]

I'll blame me falling asleep pressing 2 buttons

[rustic kestrel]

Also Im seeing a ton of moonfires in incarn. You should be going Moonfire > Thrash > Moonfire > thrash

your thrash cpm can be higher

[hazy mural]

I get mad when I waste 2 LB cdr buttons

[glass grove]

yeah i think i get too spazzy and waste globals on MF just by spamming it too much

[rustic kestrel]

thats part of the build, you have to fight the urge to fall asleep

[glass grove]

yeah for real

[forest flume]

i havent looked at your defensive usage but you'll feel a big difference reducing the amount of melees you take without your ironfur up

[hazy mural]

its part of the build for sure... even before the thrash buff

was the thing that made me really not like it... that and the subpar dam

[glass grove]

are you playing a diff build now

[hazy mural]

I was playing worse cause wasnt thinking enough

[forest flume]

there isn't really a point in playing another build right now, you can play variations but you'd be using your brain way too much for so little gain

we are thrash/moonfire spammers now

[glass grove]

wheres that meltyface emoji

[hazy mural]

nah, its the simplest build and I dont find joy in making life hard for myself most times xD

unless its stupid fun

then again, I play holy priest too

[forest flume]

and I say this as someone who absolutely hate the current build, bear was the most fun it ever been for me, and no point in not playing the hot sauce build right now

[red knoll]

I will never again let a holy priest heal a key

[forest flume]

Sadness that you are EU heals

[red knoll]

Tried a 17 wrs and it bricked every time cuz holy priest

[hazy mural]

join the cool side!

[forest flume]

No

[hazy mural]

our side has done a 24

we also have free healthcare

[forest flume]

i have free healthcare too

and i have poutine

[hazy mural]

yh but u gotta work to get that!

or are u canadian?

[forest flume]

Not here lol

Yes I am

[hazy mural]

ahhh fair

ur already EU then

[forest flume]

Pretty much yep lol

EU and canada are bros

[hazy mural]

I mean ur PM was our governor

[forest flume]

Carney?

[hazy mural]

yh

[forest flume]

He seems like a smart man

[glass grove]

what is yh

[hazy mural]

was the governor of the bank of england

[hazy mural]

yeah

[glass grove]

oh lol

[hazy mural]

im too lazy to add the 2 letters

[glass grove]

hard 2 letters for sure

[rustic kestrel]

why not type

ya

[hazy mural]

im not american

[forest flume]

Yeah it feels good to have our PM be someone who actually did smart things in the past

[rustic kestrel]

?????????

[red knoll]

Theres an epidemic of laziness in this discord

[hazy mural]

or dutch to say ja

[hazy mural]

and he has balls

pray for UK politics... gonna be a challenging few yrs for us

[forest flume]

I loved when the King was just embarassing Trump weeks ago during his visit, and the orange person was laughing because he obviously wasn't understanding the jokes

Did you ever hear of the great war between Canada and Denmark for greenland?

[hazy mural]

https://tenor.com/view/if-those-kids-could-read-gif-5323175107042953208

[brittle dome]

as a noob, i don't know when, if ever, to shapeshift out of bear form to make use of the persistence talent?

[hazy mural]

why is it called greenland when it is made of ice?

[forest flume]

oh it wasnt greenland it was something else. Each country would plant their own flag on Hans Island, and put whisky for the other country for when they'd come back to put their own flag instead

[hazy mural]

biggest use will always be to use heart of the wild

[forest flume]

that was the "war" lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky_War is one of the reason we should be accepted in the EU imo.

[hazy mural]

sounds like bants xD

[shut jasper]

it's literally centuries old false advertising

the guy who first settled it used that name to try to gaslight people to join his colony

[hazy mural]

tbf, GB been doing the same thing

dunno whats so great about britain

[shut jasper]

true

[hazy mural]

not even a united kingdom

[gleaming gulch]

completely new character, where do i bonus roll in m+ as m+ focused tank

[hazy mural]

full send in windrunner spire till 0 left

[gleaming gulch]

thank you sir

[cloud jolt]

which trinkets should i focus to get for m+? i only raid HC

[hazy mural]

every piece is great for bear

[hazy mural]

the 2 in windrunner are great for how easy it is to get em tbh on mythic... can sim to see if the umbral feather or gaze hc can win out vs em tho

[cloud jolt]

thanks bro!

[hazy mural]

np!

[mild goblet]

I’ve done 18 skyreach on my monk, I’m starting to ramp up on my bear. I did 15 skyreach and noticed the bleeds hurt a ton. Is the idea just to kite more? I found my health bar yo-yoing when any defensive dropped even with max thrash’s on all the mobs.

I also went left after the first boss since that’s what I do on my brew but just felt like I got deleted after the pack didn’t die fast enough.

Not sure what strategies or decision trees I should be thinking for these type of bleeds mechanics and how bears work

[brave hearth]

how important is Waking Nightmare for the 0 apex talent build?

[shut jasper]

it's one of the higher damage per point talents for that build but at the same time it's just that

[forest flume]

You have incap roar, typhoon and vortex to create distance / reset stacks, you can rotate those. Plus moonfire slows mobs if you're playing EC, on the 19 I did I mostly just kept running in circles and stacks never got higher than 6-7, if you're able to make the adept delay one melee swing for just a little moment you can reset stacks

[violet holly]

its not a bleed its a magic dot, you can kite the mobs or just run away, the dot lasts for like 2-3s so its very easy to reset the stacks

one typhoon is enough to push them away for it to reset

[mild goblet]

Ah why did I always think it was a bleed. Okay cool this is great to know, thank you!

[forest flume]

It may as well be a bleed, it just does "fire damage" it seems

[mild goblet]

Also, another skyreach question. Is pulling the whole platform the norm now? Is splitting the pull up into two pulls no longer the cool thing to do?

[forest flume]

Likely a better use of bloodlust and cds to pull the entire platform yeah. You're talking about first pull yeah?

[mild goblet]

Yeah!

[forest flume]

Just don't pull first bird, wait for it to fly to the end

[mild goblet]

Ah that’s the secret

[violet holly]

both first pull and last before boss can be done if you have lust

[mild goblet]

I was wondering how people survive two birds

[violet holly]

yeah you don't aggro the first bird

run all the way to the end then ppl hit the second bird

the idea is to spread the aoe cast from the bird

[forest flume]

you pull it towards the end when it flies to you and then they are desync'd and healer can top people off

[mild goblet]

Ahhhh

[forest flume]

On the tank side, you won't take any damage, but people need to kill blade talon first for sure

[mild goblet]

Thank you thank you, this now makes sense. I’m used to pulling that first bird off the rip

[violet holly]

many do

[mild goblet]

Where are yall keeping up with your routes? This is the furthest ive gone with tanking in a season. Im almost resil 18 on the brew (2 left) but taking a break to gear the bear to continue the push. I feel like in this time I’ve missed out on the new tech and what people expect.

I got most of my routes from the monk YouTuber Sha, but not sure if there is a good place? I glanced at Keystone guru but they all seem to be geared towards lower pug ez pulls versus higher keys? Maybe I’m just not using the resource correctly

[terse sage]

Naowh has a pretty good short tutorial on that first pull: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NSlh1CbaMIM

[mild goblet]

Oh nice I’ll take a look at this!

[heavy cipher]

is the nopex EC build still the preferred m+ build? or are we going dotc and taking apex and using raze/rav?

[violet holly]

tbh its a mix of getting info from everywhere, youtube, mdi, other tanks I trust, and stuff that I know that works for my group

like in magister I know if my lock friend is in the group we can skip the last 2 mobs

otherwise we prob cant so I need to adjust

maisara the mammoths are the bad guys, so avoiding them is recommended

[mild goblet]

Yeah I guess I need to review MDI. I don’t really have any other tank friends so just trying to accumulate trusted resources I can review

[violet holly]

you wont do mdi pulls

[rustic kestrel]

mdi is not where you should get routes from lmao

[mild goblet]

Hahahaha don’t worry I know that, especially since I only pug

[violet holly]

just getting info if something is interesting or not

like grabbing a ravager with the bridge mobs in aa

etc

I like to do/try big pulls so prior to anything I need to set up interrupts with my friends so they all know what to do and expect

like in skyreach there, I have someone assigned to interrupt the repel guy before we start the key

so it doesnt take anyone by surprise and I know I can just worry about running all the way to the other bird

[mild goblet]

Yeah I have solid routes that work fine but I guess I’m always worried there’s the new correct thing to do that I’m not aware of. I.e. pull the entire skyreach platform.

Are we pulling 3 packs at the start of seat now?

Are we pulling the pack on the stairs to the first boss in MC?

How do you pull the mini boss room in Mc?

Just questions like that I’d like to know where to best research the latest (and the best for the general case/pug groups) routes are

[violet holly]

1. if the group can live 2 subjugators (aka remove the chain) you can lust pull 2 yes
2. that route implies pulling the bears to the boss for funnel so can be done yes
3. wait for the patrol at the entrance to stop moving and then you can avoid pulling the big guy

you can do that whole area without pulling the big guys, usually the lust is in that area

[terse sage]

You can definitely research, but a lot of it will come down to communication before the key, or at any break points. Like after first boss of MC, just tell the group what you're going to do for the mini boss room. I also pug everything on my gal, so I try to communicate early on what I plan. Though, sometimes I just send it and see if they can keep up.

[forest flume]

also because since yo bring a lock, the entire dungeon is at risk of getting pulled, so you can safely always skip the last two with % you'll have 😎

[rustic kestrel]

this is suicidal

[violet holly]

is it?

[rustic kestrel]

4 casters

😵‍💫

[violet holly]

ah I don't think every mob from that center area comes when you pull

[outer cave]

Is that 1 pull omg

[violet holly]

or maybe it is suicidal

I have done it maybe in a 16?

I have a log somewhere

[outer cave]

How you get all the interrupts

[rustic kestrel]

in a 16 you can probably just eat 6 casts as a dps

probs doesnt matter

[outer cave]

Yea but do you even save time if they are all spread

[violet holly]

idk if its me or warcraftlogs being slow

hold up

yeah so I don't think they all pull together, that was keystone guru grouping everything

game is offline to confirm in mdt :v

I think what I pulled was this

still don't need to pull those 2 there and instead pull the other side

so 1 caster only

that is more reasonable

servers up

[grand plinth]

I do this

But skip the two far right

So its just 2 casters

You do it with lust and it's not that bad

[ruby skiff]

Ring #2, FINALLY. Had to use 7 bonus rolls in AA for puzzle box, this week was going to start my knock out of all the loot in NPX for this ring. Whew.

[jovial mauve]

should i aim puzzle box if only m+? I see it a bit troll for high keys having such good trinkets like gaze or feather

[red knoll]

Feather ain't that good

Idk

Its just worse than guidon

[mental notch]

Is there any point to have 4pc with the no apex build?

I feel like you just need 2pc and then can go for stats

[half surge]

if u raid u do, if no raiding or else, 2pc for noapex is what works

[mental notch]

Nice, I sort of like a couple classes having this unique option

[quaint pond]

assuming you have max ilevel on all pieces ya you could just sim for highest dps 2pc option

[mental notch]

Not all classes have to fit into must use 4pc must use newest talent system

[quaint pond]

well it's a mistake

so if you like it enjoy it while it lasts

[mental notch]

Yeah, I’m sure 12.1 will adjust. New tier sets anyway.

I was pushing on Aug and had all 18s a few weeks ago, couldn’t play for 3 weeks and now everyone has 20’s and invites are hard to come by.

Gearing a bear as a side project since the apexless build has been fun for me for whatever reason.

[outer cave]

Ill try it thx

[brittle dome]

Honestly I just like the idea of a 3 button rotation. Yeah I want the easiest tank possible. I just hope the next patch won't make maul/DoTC mandatory for M+

[summer hatch]

do you open vault as guardian or feral

[grand plinth]

Yeah just make sure you avoid the left side caster and warrior and then the two casters on the right

you grab everything but the mini tag the defender and then pull the mini

and just pick up the defender and his goons when they walk in

[rustic kestrel]

Would you still enjoy it if it was only 1 button?

[brittle dome]

Perhaps not. Any more than 4-5 regular buttons and I struggle with keybinds, particularly while moving

[rustic kestrel]

gotcha, just curious

[red knoll]

I dont understand why people think not having tier is good

Lol

The minimal secondary stat gain is not going to matter

[quaint pond]

cuz it's funny

[rustic kestrel]

people have been obsessing over which specific tier set slot they should have as "off tier" for years

nothing new

[quaint pond]

if the stats don't matter then it's perfectly fine not using it too

• you get the amusement

[red knoll]

Its funny but ur kinda griefing ur rolls going for those pieces

[rustic kestrel]

as if 50 of one stat over another changes literally anything

[red knoll]

I think the only time off tier matters is when there's an item with a cantrip

Or something like the lura helm

[grand plinth]

I think even if you maul literally once in the dungeon

Its better to just have the 4set

[red knoll]

Yeah

It is

[grand plinth]

than the like insanely minor stat optimization

[quaint pond]

i'm sure lots of ppl don't evne maul once

[red knoll]

Thays cuz awoo and co told them to unbind it

Just like mangle

X.x

[quaint pond]

sure but also they find it more fun to have less buttons and it works just fine

[summer hatch]

when do you use maul

and mangle

just pure st?

[red knoll]

Maul is pure single target with 4 pc/kb if taking

Mangle is complicated

[rustic kestrel]

If you want to maul its only on Tier procs, in single target, or on short amp burst phases

[summer hatch]

kb?

so i'd maul in aoe as well with a tier proc?

[subtle orbit]

Is there a log review channel?

[rustic kestrel]

just post log in here and someone will take a look

[quaint pond]

just post here for the yappers

[red knoll]

If you dont need the ironfur yeah

[subtle orbit]

I’m ass at the game and am not pressing HOTW enough but that can’t be why I’m grey

Ok tear me a new one boys

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W2YpLQd1rGCXRTP6

[red knoll]

I mean hotw us like

5% of your damage

Ina key

Depending on key

[subtle orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mc-mahon-gulp-gulps-nervous-uh-oh-gif-16217862

[charred ice]

Which flask are you all using? People are writing that we like all stats.

[summer hatch]

surely that many mangles cannot be right lmao

[subtle orbit]

🫣

I feel like thrash is getting hit on cd

[red knoll]

Tank parsing in keys is also kinda fake

[subtle orbit]

I just moonfire instead?

[red knoll]

Especially in lower keys

[rustic kestrel]

There is a shitton of rage waste going on

[subtle orbit]

the guide I watched said not to bother with maul and just spam iron fur

But ig more maul to use it?

[forest flume]

or press more ironfur if you want to be lazy

might as well use it on something

[subtle orbit]

Right

[hazy maple]

WTB actual fix for GD apex

[outer cave]

How does the crest discount thing work? I need to get 285 avg ilvl on a character and all future upgrades on alts is half cost?

[forest flume]

even if you have 285 on your main, and you have 6/6 hero gloves, it'll cost full myth crest on your alts to upgrade gloves from 3/6 to 6/6 myth

it works per slot

[jovial mauve]

u have to upgrade all the pieces to 285 with any character to get the discount in all ur account

slot by slot

u get the discount

u can upgrade boots with ur alter and ur main gets the discount

[rustic kestrel]

your largest issue, is you're just holding lunar beam for SO long

[subtle orbit]

The 1 min cd?

[rustic kestrel]

I just found an over 2 minute gap for a cd thats effectively ~30s

[subtle orbit]

Thanks I’ll press it more. That makes sense.

[rustic kestrel]

Also, as stupid as it is, the optimal rotation is thrash > mf > mf > mf > thrash

when you dont need extra rage for ironfur

and it incarn its mf > thrash > mf > thrash

[subtle orbit]

Yeah, thanks for clarification that mf does more than mangle

Okay, I’ll move that around

[rustic kestrel]

This lack of lunar beams is a large reason though. You are also missing thrash casts here and there

Maul on single target is only with tier set procs, but you dont even have the 8% maul damage in general tree, so with what you're running its basically not worth pressing

[violet holly]

this is what I got in mdt

[subtle orbit]

Thank you!

[rustic kestrel]

yeah i just found another 1:45 gap of Lunar beam😭

[subtle orbit]

🫣

[slim tinsel]

how do you usually fast get the first stack of ironfur on gather? just mangle once as the first spell?

[rustic kestrel]

So
Lunar Beam basically on CD
Reduce Mangle
Take out maul unless you change talents
Focus on getthing that traash on cd

[subtle orbit]

[rustic kestrel]

this is the easiest and safest way

Or hold rage from a previous pull

[slim tinsel]

yeah mainly wanted it for first pull of the dung, okay mangle it is, thank you

[outer cave]

That seems more doable. The guy who makes tornados is annoying but have to hit him anyway

[brazen tinsel]

also you want to open basically every pull with a big defensive

bark is great for that

bear is turbo squish on pull but is completely fine once youve got everything rolling

[shut jasper]

nah only with raze (or prio damage if you got kb)

[violet holly]

yeah the keystone guru website groups everything up but those mobs in the center all have separate aggro

[copper hornet]

I cant hold rage for the next pull because I have ironfur bound to thrash and moonfire

[brazen tinsel]

😬

[shut jasper]

green name is saying I need to macro ironfur to thrash and moonfire, time to go do it

[copper hornet]

If the experts are doing it...

[brazen tinsel]

andy isnt..

[rustic kestrel]

experts actually never do anything wrong

they plan their keys TO THE GLOBAL

[copper hornet]

Ok so first, im joking and dont actually have them macrod, and 2nd by expert i meant expert role in discord

[outer cave]

The only reason I saw to not macro ironfur is if you need to brez and may not have enough rage for 1-2 gcds

[rustic kestrel]

thats never happened, people who complain about macro are babies

theres never ever been a downside ever

[shut jasper]

you were supposed to play along

I'm disappointed

[copper hornet]

I was playing along with u but an m+er started talking

[summer hatch]

wat abt frenzied

[rustic kestrel]

(i am being so sarcastic)

[shut jasper]

okay you're excused

[jovial mauve]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mpb2AnzKFrxGBXv6?fight=1&type=damage-done

i crafted a 295 weapon and 2nd arcanoweave, why the f i just did 87k?

[mild delta]

for m+ would yall reccomend heart of wind of feather? my second slot is gaze

[torn depot]

there is no ironfur macro downside in ba sing se

[whole oxide]

How do u remove the mangle proc from the middle of ur screen ?

[steel vault]

users choice 🙂 I like heart cause nothing to push. Can sim them for yourself, for me they were really close, so not pushing something won for me

[crude axle]

I'd take heart most of the times

[fallen robin]

Can't with base UI. All or nothing for the big glowy things.

[whole oxide]

can u do it with iao ?

[outer cave]

Look at that domination

Brews endangered species now

[copper hornet]

monksea monkdo

[solar abyss]

How much time were the brewmasters in that situation?

[crude axle]

For real

[short nest]

Have we acknowledged the no mangle build as a real thing?

[short nest]

The last surviving airbender brewmaster

[fallen condor]

[outer cave]

For a while but imo didnt feel like brew was overly OP like bears were still competing? Now that one last brew is the last of his kind.. for now

[odd cave]

isnt this more about mistweaver being op though

like bear slight better than brew but mistweaver much better dam than other healers, and having a druid tank means you can bring MW without losing MOTW

[daring nymph]

we should buff the threat modifer on swipe by 1000% so the threat issues on bear will disappear

[fallen condor]

healer damage lul

[daring nymph]

whose with me?

[daring nymph]

he doesnt count cause hes not as popular as floorki

[odd cave]

yeah why have so many buttons when just swipe will do

[outer cave]

Wow mw doing 30k more damage than next best healer only by spinning around?

[odd cave]

yeah

like they just spam sck to heal I guess

[valid dagger]

does druid tank need 4 set if going the no apex build? i see 2 set increases moonfire damage but since we dont use ravage or maul is 4 set not that great if there are pieces with better stats?

[odd cave]

stats dont matter but yeah you dont need it if you dont have enough charges

[red knoll]

you can do it, doesnt mean its optimal.

[red knoll]

I promise you the stats on the other pieces dont matter

[torn depot]

i gave the noapex+raze build a spin, kinda liked it

less bursty but does decent damage outside incarn/apex while still feeling good to play

[errant trench]

Looking at liquid armor and bloodmallet. Both sites have Puzzle Box as highest sim. Why so few people using it if that's the case?

[rustic kestrel]

Because its ass to use in keys

[torn depot]

because fuck puzzlebox thats why

[shut jasper]

it's not as strong on the noapex dungeon build too

[valid dagger]

ty for the replies 😄

[odd cave]

sim isn't hitting you while you trying to cast 2 second cast time thing

[red knoll]

bear famously squishy when not dodging >..>

okay

[quaint pond]

you shouln'dt use liquidarmory nor bloodmallet for bears

both of those are bad, unmaintained sources

[shut jasper]

you shouln'dt use liquidarmory nor bloodmallet for bears

ftfy

[quaint pond]

no it's fine for some specs

[red knoll]

pretty sure the top ele shaman literally is the creator

so

for blood mallet

i think ele is fine

[shut jasper]

it gets some weird skewing every time there's multiple on use involved

[quaint pond]

that depends entirely on spec

[shut jasper]

and the average player without knowledge might not take that into consideration and think double on use is the way to go

but yes can be fine on some specs

[rustic kestrel]

Remember in tww where bloodmallet didnt have talents for the bear sim

So anything that did flat damage procs was twice as high as everything else

[quaint pond]

it just depends on how involved the spec's tc community is at that time

druid tc in general is pretty dead compared to some other classes

[shut jasper]

funny enough elemental is a perfect example of the on use issue with bloodmallet

[sudden siren]

Whats the solve for avoiding wasted rage here?

[shut jasper]

press ironfur more

that's it

bind it to scroll wheel if you need to

[sudden siren]

top category for me is blood frenzy which is tied to thrash tho... or is it all the same

[deft compass]

finally got myth gaze

woooooooo

[shut jasper]

it generates from thrash's dot

so it's sorta passively

[fringe lily]

I've been staring at my vault for a week now. Have a myth feather, myth verse/haste neck (spire one), and a heroic gaze (50/50 this week on mythic). My trinkets are crap and have a champ crit/haste neck on. I do have a warbound heroic guidon in my bank. Feather sims way higher, but I don't know if I wanna deal with a trinket that doesn't line up with incarn. Should I just take the roll and use it in windrunner and hope for heart/neck?

[sudden siren]

i understand i basically gotta smash thrash/moonfire but just curious if i have a similar wasted rage situation as the screenshot

[shut jasper]

and quite a bit on aoe

I'd grab the neck because feather is more replaceable

but either option is fine

[deft compass]

i think you go neck bro

[fringe lily]

Was thinking neck, but neck feels bad. lol

[sudden siren]

If the top dps logs are showing 0 wasted rage, does that just mean they're literally never rage capped?

i guess that's a stupid q

it shows it so must be

[fickle gyro]

hmm i have my resto trinkets already but switched my vault to guardian spec in hopes i might get a weapon (have 298 int staff already, but only Champion track agi weapon)... i got the 2H from Crawth but I also got myth track set gloves, of which I only have hero track. currently 285 avg in resto spec.. what to do...

[quick schooner]

Kinda tricky question but, rn im running 2x hero rings set from NPX. SHould i roll to myth ones for more stats and ilvl even if sims tells me its downgrade?

[rustic kestrel]

make sure you're simming properly and adding enchants+gems to the myth rings

[quick schooner]

Is hypotheical rn, im EU so still no vault. Im not a mythic raider ( in terms of reclears every week and just spammed 2 bosses from spire and chimera for gaze) so im kinda behind myth items as i took bonus roll once from vault. Im getting prepped for keys on like 17-18 range and im scrathing my head what i should priotorize tbf

[kindred meteor]

remove corruption does it not work?

[spare sail]

Get all myth items

[red knoll]

full myth track

[spare sail]

You have 5 non myth

Make it 0

[rustic kestrel]

It certainly does

[quick schooner]

Yeeeah, sadly my luck this season was uhh... how to put it lightly. DEAD. My 1st ever myth track item was chest, myth gaze was from 4th chimeraus bonus roll and 2 weeks before i got chest from bonus roll i had this chest twice in vault...

[spare sail]

Oh right people roll in raids

[red knoll]

am dun

[quick schooner]

Okay, so pretty much i guess prio will be 2nd trinket > rings > offpiece then fishing for crafts replacements? Got it right?

[spare sail]

You dont replace craft

Since you have only 2

You want 2 emb

Always

[quick schooner]

Nevermind, im overthing then. Thought maybe crafting off piece while having myth wrists or something would be better but it wont be

[spare sail]

What off piece

[quick schooner]

Yeeeah, the day i've rolled 98 on chimeraus myth weapon to bonus roll for 2nd copy was the day i thought its my time to leave planet earth forever lmfao

[spare sail]

Tbf with uncapped crests crafting is no longer an issue

[restive panther]

Crit>vers?

[quick schooner]

I have 5 set pieces and 2 are hero

[restive panther]

ah

[quick schooner]

Could get like myth wrists and craft one offpiece 285 but for sure now i will have gaze in vault as it was my last week of riding to piss me off and other items will be bad

[kindred meteor]

doesnt work for me

[red knoll]

in raid generally

theres an argument to be made either way tho

theyre close

i like crit more cuz im dotc

[rustic kestrel]

like in what way, keybind? not removing stuff?

Do you have it talented?

[red knoll]

bruh

had to run a 10 to get my last myth piece

[violet holly]

lol

[red knoll]

bosses died so slow

x.x

[violet holly]

"nerf guardian" they say after the key is done

[red knoll]

I was top boss damage on half the bosses

[violet holly]

top dmg at 50-60k dps lol

[red knoll]

and theyre fucking single target bosses

like

[violet holly]

painful

[red knoll]

it was npx

no cleave

well i did drag shit onto last boss

[violet holly]

pulls 1 mob to boss - "dude doing mdi pulls"

[red knoll]

i hard carried lol

losing to EC guardian on damage amp boss

takes talent

as a ret paladin

[violet holly]

ur like 289 and they are what 270, though, no?

[red knoll]

still

spec does negative burst damage

[short nest]

Are there also unlimited sparks?

[fiery loom]

i got a bear question

[spare sail]

dont think so

but kinda irrelevant for fresh alts

[fiery loom]

a bear in my dungeon had this enchant on their gloves, what the fuck is it?

[short nest]

One of us is likely to have a bear answer

[spare sail]

since you want to roll dungeons for myth items

[spare sail]

old enchant prob

that somehow still works

[red knoll]

something thats likely disabled

but also its 3 stam

who tf cares

[short nest]

They always miss a few

But 3 Stam does basically nothing

[spare sail]

you have like 12 sparks (6 items)

you wont miss that many

[short nest]

Kinda wish I could recraft my old crafted wep into a boomy wep

Instead of needing 4 more sparks

[outer cave]

Saw this and found it interesting from mythic stats for midnight s1

[red knoll]

monkey see monkey do

[fiery loom]

found it!

[red knoll]

the stamina is applied

lmao

that is funny

[fiery loom]

https://tenor.com/bnrQ3.gif

TBC era armor kit, works on gloves

who's the bear class writer, we got a bis enchant over here

40% of +3 is +1? does wow round up or down?

[red knoll]

how much health is 3 stamina

[short nest]

Like double digits

[fiery loom]

30-40?

it is funny, i applied it to my gloves and whenever i survive a pull i'll just say: "bis glove enchant made the diff"

[short nest]

If you live at like 20 health sure

[red knoll]

no it made the diff

shut up

[fiery loom]

it made the diff

[red knoll]

@pseudo bloom

new tech discovered

article incomplete

[fiery loom]

wait... i need to empty out the ah and put each of them up for 5k a pop first

[jovial mauve]

Its better to use haste versa items on tierset slots and only play 2 pieces if just doing m+?

[red knoll]

define better

you wont see any difference

like at all

[jovial mauve]

More dmg and survival

[red knoll]

and if you press mangle once

[fiery loom]

oh right... m+ apexless bear doesn't use maul/ravage,

[red knoll]

err maul

[jovial mauve]

Y i know stats are not that important

[red knoll]

you'll make it back

so

Idk seems like trolling to me

its more funny than useful

[jovial mauve]

But for some reason we choose stats when crafting items, when using flask, enchants or gems so..

[red knoll]

flasks are more stats than that

[fiery loom]

well... it depends, and the APL isn't exactly made for stuff

[red knoll]

and honestly you can just spin a wheel on what gems to put on

[fiery loom]

like no apex moonfire/trash only m+ stuff

[red knoll]

they dont matter

only gem that really matters is the primary stat one

[fiery loom]

i took extra crit

[red knoll]

i dont think thats worth

numerically

idk tho

i think the primary stat just outweights anything

not that its a big deal

[fiery loom]

i play resto mainly, sometimes bear/boomie

but yeah stats don't matter... my feral druid weapon outsimmed my gaurdian druid weapon on gaurdian at equal ilvl

[red knoll]

Enchants tend to matter a lot more

like the crit done

one

[jovial mauve]

But being realistic if u have a haste-versa item and another crit-mastery at same ilvl ull choose to equip haste-versa one so just asking to minmax

[red knoll]

is 2% crit damage

per

depends what my stats are at

[fiery loom]

like the echant that gives us +3 extra stam on gloves hell yeah

[red knoll]

only reason im using spire is cuz theres no good crit haste weap

[fiery loom]

at equal ilvl the vorasious weapon outsimmed the chimaerus one

[red knoll]

doesnt shock me

do u have a lot of haste in ur jewelery

[fiery loom]

i main resto. yes.

[red knoll]

ya thats why

[fiery loom]

double npx rings + neck from wrs

[red knoll]

i have the uh

saladhar neck now

so i probably want more haste

in other gear

[fiery loom]

i even got a str only trinket, i'm a trinket collector

[red knoll]

im at hmm

28% crit in raid gear

ravage go brr

[fiery loom]

im at 21% crit, 21% haste, 18% mastery 11% vers

i need more trinkets.

next mythic reclears im getting myth guidon

[slim tinsel]

yo how do you guys deal with stack drops in skyreach? the fire dot? on monk I just roll away and let it drop, on bear it's a bit of a pain

I have typhoon and vortex but once I ust that I'm kind of fcked

[fiery loom]

what key level?

[slim tinsel]

19/20

[rustic kestrel]

Incap and walk away also works

[slim tinsel]

just did it on 18 and I managed but it was a pain

[rustic kestrel]

Ursols can drop twice, if you put it near the front of them, the slow will let you run out, then your next reset run out again and it will pull them back

[fiery loom]

incap and dash away?

[red knoll]

tauren

stomp

[fiery loom]

doesn't tauren stomp bring you out of bear form?

[rustic kestrel]

incap is enough

[red knoll]

no?

[rustic kestrel]

Nope tauren stomp is great

[red knoll]

i dont think any racials do

[fiery loom]

i used to be a tauren in legion and i swore it broke bearofrm

[native heath]

In like classic and such it took you out of form, but not for a long while now

[kindred meteor]

it’s on my action bar, and I tried to use it in MC 1st boss

[fiery loom]

shadowmeld and watch your dps scream

[rustic kestrel]

That is a disease, not a poison or curse

[kindred meteor]

oh thought it was a curse

mb then ty

[kindred meteor]

is the curse, the purple stuff

like in right side of NPX

[rustic kestrel]

yes

[kindred meteor]

oh okay ty

[rustic kestrel]

np

[fiery loom]

i racechanged to haranir this xpac for the boooy.. hello boy

also 1% extra healing on regrowth as resto, sign me up

[red knoll]

i mean

tauren is 2%

:3

[fiery loom]

since when the fuck did tauren get brawn/

but i'd need to give up the boooy

[red knoll]

since they reworked the racials and fucked over horde

[outer cave]

If ur not doing nelf skips is kul tiran best race for bear?

[red knoll]

tauren iirc

[fiery loom]

i thought HMT also were high up for the rugged tenacity and 1% vers

[red knoll]

ya

[outer cave]

Why tauren? Doesn't kt get base vers?

[red knoll]

its between tauren and hmt

you get like

5% stam as tauren

[fiery loom]

i just know that racial choice doesn't matter outside of 0.001% things in mdi

like nelf skips and dwarf bleed removal

[red knoll]

i mean nelf and dwarves are a big deal

its really bullshit

they need to nerf it or bring others in line

[fiery loom]

i'm on the side of nerfing it

race choice shoudn't meaningfully matter

[outer cave]

For real bear choices I thought kt was best due to the vers 🙁

[red knoll]

kt is never the correct choice

for many reasons

[red knoll]

most of all moral ones

[fiery loom]

my recommendation for stone form racial: "Reduces damage by poison, disease, curse, magic, bleed and physical damage effects by 15% for 8 seconds"

no cleanse, only reduce

[outer cave]

2% heal and 1% vers

Bears can't be dwarfs..

[fiery loom]

so? i still wanna nerf stone form

nerf shadowmeld so it's basically just mind soothe from priests

[outer cave]

Ohh I was talking less about what changes I want and what best is now fir bear

[fiery loom]

the aoe stun on tauren is nice for m+

not op, but nice

[outer cave]

Stun still shares dr with other stuns?

[fiery loom]

ye

it's just a stun

[red knoll]

they changed it though so stuns will always stun for a minimum amount

so it will always stop

[fiery loom]

ofc, it's a stop, but it's not meaningfully going to do anything long-term

[red knoll]

stops a cast

[outer cave]

Ok i disagree that tayren best usually group has enough stops to not need it

[fiery loom]

mob is just going to start casting again

[outer cave]

Its not tww

[red knoll]

why would u want to be a smelly human

who arent even real druids

[fiery loom]

i wanna be cute half-elf-half-troll with cute mount form

[outer cave]

Im not talking esthetic just what's best. If I could use any look id do gnome

[red knoll]

okay well

ur not worth talking to then

[outer cave]

[fiery loom]

i'd take a tauren in a heartbeat if i could get haranir travel form

the boooy

[red knoll]

gnome enjoyer :/

[fiery loom]

puntable objects

purely a resto-druid only thing, but the haranir racial counts as a stack of resto druid mastery

[lavish fern]

What should I snag from my vault puzzle box or heart of wind?

[red knoll]

are u raiding

or playing feral

[errant trench]

Learned today box isn't as good for m+ because you can't dodge while casting.

[lavish fern]

Raiding

And yeah that’s true, I’m gonna go with heart I think

[red knoll]

uh

if ur raiding

you should pick box

100% of the time

heart is not very good

[carmine sandal]

No, it most certainly isn't a stack of mastery

[rustic kestrel]

what are you, some sort of resto druid expert

[carmine sandal]

pokemon expert

[red knoll]

whats ur rank in champions

[carmine sandal]

Uh

I ended last season at like 1800 something

I'm not very good

I havent played too much this season yet

Been playing the most goated Speed Swap team

[red knoll]

i play scizor rain

[carmine sandal]

No problemo I got cloud nine regular Drampa with Flamethrower

With Raichu speed

[rustic kestrel]

thoughts on raichu megas

[carmine sandal]

No idea

They arent legal

[rustic kestrel]

looks wise

[hollow onyx]

WTF is a Mega? I am old only remember the first 150 pokemon

[red knoll]

its what it sounds like

[carmine sandal]

You want a cookie for that?

[rustic kestrel]

gen wunners begone

[carmine sandal]

Pokemon more than any other media franchise really gets people going with the proclaiming how little they care about it

Crazy

[hollow onyx]

didn't they have some sort of sparkle alt as well?

[hollow onyx]

I mean how many are there now?

[carmine sandal]

I like the one with double tails, I dont like the one that looks like Pikachu

[rustic kestrel]

same

good man

[carmine sandal]

[red knoll]

when mega charizard z

[carmine sandal]

I'm an alolan Raichu user tho, big fan

Got all my shinies from the 3DS games transferred over now

[rustic kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/legends-za-raichu-mega-raichu-x-gif-9198759671625584388

[carmine sandal]

My 3DS was at my mom's place and I couldnt transfer them over until last week

[rustic kestrel]

I haven't played anything past sumo, but i keep up with things

[red knoll]

archaludon

is the goat

[carmine sandal]

Great little mon

[red knoll]

i wanna try a perish trap team tho

[carmine sandal]

Mine is named Tower Two

Perish trap players are hoes

[red knoll]

lmao

its just a fun way that doesnt play like anything else

[carmine sandal]

Same with the Entrainment Fissure thing

Wolfey copycats

Crazy

[red knoll]

I think sableye players are little shits

[hollow onyx]

This comment made me sad so I went to look up what I have been missing. Now i am more sad.
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_games_by_release_date

[carmine sandal]

Cool bro

[carmine sandal]

It's true you are spitting now

[rustic kestrel]

theres a large backlog, get goin

[red knoll]

especially no damaging move sableyes

like

bro im not gunna attack u

im gunna leave u for last so you die a slow miserable death

that u deserve

[hollow onyx]

Not enough time. I might go buy the gameboy that has all that and play when I can play wow.

[red knoll]

my favorite teams are the timer stalling teams -.-

[carmine sandal]

I love it when the sableye player learns on the spot that prankster dont work on dark types

[red knoll]

well

[carmine sandal]

This is gonna be me soon

[red knoll]

they need to check it twice

[carmine sandal]

BIG Scovillain and Life Dew spam stuff

[red knoll]

like brother u aint encoring my incin sorryt

the amount of usable dark types in doubles is kinda low

rn

[carmine sandal]

I suppose it depends on what you consider usable

There are like 10 I would call usable

[red knoll]

im thinking specifically support mons

i know greninja technically exists

but hes not really a dark type most of the time

[carmine sandal]

Mine is

I open with taunt

Big sableye counter

[red knoll]

gambit incin sableye gren hydr

hydreigon really wants lorb tho

or specs

[carmine sandal]

White herb good on it too

With limited items ofc

[carmine sandal]

Samurott, Weavile

[red knoll]

weavile is such a sash hog

but yeah

weavile always been more of a singles mon to me but i guess its the same role as the sword of ruin guy

[carmine sandal]

Well it has Fake Out and outspeeds Sneasler

You can run White Herb, pop it on an Intimidate, Fake Out and steal the Incin berry

Goated???

[red knoll]

sneasler so weird

like he just gets hard walled by a ghost type most sets people are running on him

[carmine sandal]

It's Sneasler but faster and with different coverage, no Unburden makes it worse ofc but not that much worse

[red knoll]

im always confused when people see venusaur + basc on my team and take sneasler lol

[carmine sandal]

Sneasler just does exist, ofc

[red knoll]

my venusaur lives 2 ccs from Sneasler

:3

i think most people just steal a team and run it and not know any of the matchups lol

[carmine sandal]

Yeah for sure

[red knoll]

why theres a lot of garbage sun teams

[carmine sandal]

I've gotten better after I started being more methodical with my teams

Going over mon by mon and thinking of what I need to do to check them

[red knoll]

i still kinda just adjust my EVs after i go

into the meta

havent done any hard calcs

its less punishing with the points system than with evs tho

you cant really under or overspend by a lot

[carmine sandal]

I love the points

[red knoll]

the only downside is for trickroom teams

u cant like under iv

[carmine sandal]

This is my team lately

[red knoll]

but it makes competitive alot more consistent

[carmine sandal]

Legendary stuff happens here

[carmine sandal]

Yeah maybe but it feels a bit irrelevant

[red knoll]

i know a lot of people just like went with the lowest speed iv they could find on like ursaluna cuz farming an entire game

[carmine sandal]

And hard TR teams can be really good rn still anyways

[red knoll]

for min speed ursaluna

sucks

itll just lead to more speed ties

which never feels great

but it is what it is

[carmine sandal]

You just move that speed creep into evs instead

[red knoll]

My team currently well for season 1 was Incin Arch Peli Basc MVenu MSciz

[carmine sandal]

Deciding games on speed ties isnt any worse than deciding on whether someone got lucky or genned a 0iv trick room sweeper

[red knoll]

M Venu catches every charizard bro off guard

[elder pike]

Hi, is it worthwhile to have the 4-piece set for Mythic+? I'm looking to prioritize secondary stats.

[red knoll]

takes less than half from charizard in the sun

:3

[carmine sandal]

M Chesnaught does too

Fully walls Char

The common set anyways

[red knoll]

yeah until you run into the one asshole running airslash

lul

[carmine sandal]

The 2ndary stat optimization you can do is fully meaningless, but with the standard most popular build, 4p does nothing either

[red knoll]

i got triple airslash flinched and was like

meh

u got me

[carmine sandal]

You can talent to make use of 4p or you just ignore it and optimize your 2ndary stats by 0.15%

[red knoll]

i think if ur thinking of using coins to roll for the optimization of secondary stats on 2 pieces u should rethink that

unless u really dont need the coins for literally anything else

[near nymph]

is it a known bug that your glyph of stars stays active even after removing it and is there a fix for it?^^

[high sand]

So a bit of a questionable question, but for the M+ build, is it horrible to bind ironfur to something and just let it rip?

[agile spruce]

does thrash self healing proc pango charm embellish?

[olive compass]

its not horrible but its bad

[stiff phoenix]

if I'm doing like 30k ST on an AA 12 (bosses mainly) with the EC build am I doing something wrong? I am trying to shift into cat for hotw where i can

[olive compass]

whats you rilvl

[sterile verge]

Yes, no, maybe.

The reality is apart from FR, Rez, and having IF for the next pack, all rage goes into IF, so macroing IF to Moonfire is fine if you......

If you pause half a beat, there is always enough rage for FR.

If you hit a Mangle on the last add to die in a pack, you will have plenty rage for IF for the next pull.

If you need to rez mid pull, you will likely have enough rage. If you dont, a single Mangle and with all the gen, you will.

The benifit to macrowing it is you rarely have to think about it giving you more time for the rest of tanking, stops, positioning etc, which can lead to more successful play.

Is macroing IF optimal? Probably not, but you can certainly do it and the shortcomings are easily manageable by having Mangle on your bar for occasional use.

[high sand]

yeah i just never vibe with off gcd low fun abilities (same with Prot pal SotR). if I can skip APM for something that I don't enjoy at all, I will take it.

[red knoll]

you dont enjoy sotr?

wtf

i think you just dont like tanking brother

[high sand]

Only mained it for 17 years xd

[red knoll]

and never learned to play with an off gcd ability?

o.o

[high sand]

Nah, just don't enjoy it. Never said I am struggling with it.

[slim tinsel]

Could someone please quickly check this log out and tell me if I'm doing anything significantly wrong rotation wise? I feel like my overall damage is simply bad, compared to other guardians, or even compared to my monk, who is only like 6 ilvls higher...

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/H7rqV4dvA9WyhaBp?fight=8&type=damage-done

[stiff phoenix]

283, 276 wep and my seocnd trinket is a healer trinket

[red knoll]

i think i found the issue

I swear ur the 3rd person to come with a hero weapon and wrong gear and ask why damage is lower lol

Damage is factored largely by your weapons ilvl

it scales a lot with it

thats why its always the first thing you should get

on every class

[high sand]

gaps in incarn/sundering, no damage pot, bad trink/weapon

[stiff phoenix]

Yeah I understand all of that, only asked cause i was doing like good damage in AOE (out dpsing 3.5k 295 wep dps)

[high sand]

puzzle box + light's potential on hero pulls would already make a huge diff

[olive compass]

this means very little

[olive compass]

you dont run puzzlebox in m+

[red knoll]

you can

its fine

[slim tinsel]

what's wrong with the weapon? I know the stats are probably not the hottest, but I don't think it's would make that big of a difference, would it?

[high sand]

raw ilvl on weapon makes a huge difference compared to other item slots.

[red knoll]

theres absolutely nothing wrong with his weapon

its 298

[carmine sandal]

I played 4 games and on all 4 games so far I got critted turn 1 @red knoll

[high sand]

oh it's on me then, i was looking at an outdated wlogs 😄

[carmine sandal]

In one of them I got Muddy Water accuracy dropped by BELLIBOLT turn 1 and missed 2 attacks turn 2 off of it

[red knoll]

ya

people keep running sets that arent real

also feels like crits are higher %

I ran into fake out protect incin

on a non trap team

no fire move

i also find people tend to not run stab moves

for no reason lol

[carmine sandal]

Mr Rime Psychic crit 2 out of 3 turns

I'm going crazy

[red knoll]

mr rime on the ladder

😮

[carmine sandal]

I'm still climbing thru ultra ball for season 2

It's just such random shit

[red knoll]

yeah

[carmine sandal]

And the easiest matchup if I didnt get double critted lmao

[red knoll]

lower tiers are rough

[carmine sandal]

Just crazy

@copper hornet your fault

[red knoll]

cant predict anything theyre doing

you just have to attack whats in front of you

cuz 90% of the time thats what theyre doing

like scizor staying in against 2 fire types

[slim tinsel]

yeah on pots I'm slacking, and sometimes I hold incarn for a bit so I have it for a difficult pack instead of just sending it on like the last 20% of a boss, but then I look at druids that do like 30k more overall in the same dungeon and I think it can't just be that.. I guess it's routes aswell, they probably do much bolder pulls

[red knoll]

who wanna sub in for me on paladins prog tn

[brisk bluff]

What is the relative value of leech? Like is it worth going for slightly suboptimal other stats for it?

[red knoll]

dependson the piece

[brisk bluff]

like, would you take master weight / haste ring w/ it?

or hold out for a vers/haste ring?

[red knoll]

maybe.

[brisk bluff]

(for m+)

[red knoll]

i think our best rings pre raid are the set ring tho

from npx

[shut jasper]

I'd prob take leech over better secondaries but never over ilvl

it's something

but not amazing

[lavish crag]

looking at the guides for druid is circle of the wild really correct instead of circle of the heavens?

[quaint pond]

there's an explanation in pins

blizz would rather make simple but wrong tooltips instead of detailed but correct ones

[copper hornet]

unlucky

[sharp kiln]

Have the pinned builds adjusted for the buffs/ners over the past 2 weeks? I've away from the game for about 5 weeks and am trying to catch up on everything

[woeful flax]

hey can someone explain how our mastery works? i saw in logs that our mastery "healed" us so much

[woeful flax]

like this. it healed him with 17 Millions hp

[desert pecan]

what we doing for m+ now 15-19s

[red knoll]

okay we at paladins who tagging in

[olive compass]

whatever you want

[golden vigil]

Did they put Ironfur on the GCD?

[brazen tinsel]

No

But it has its own internal cd

Like half a second?

[onyx knoll]

Helou can i bind inronfur to trash or moonfire?

And why not?

[golden vigil]

Weird, I was trying to lazy macro IF to thrash for easy content where nothing matters and it wasn't working

[cinder oracle]

is there a guide that yall reccomend for key pushing

i am doing 17-18s and my dps is giga low and i am not sure why or how to improve

[onyx knoll]

So can we macro IF to anything?

[forest flume]

It's not the best idea. But: You can if you want, no one will stop you. However if you ever try to brez someone or use an emergency frenzied regeneration and you're out of rage, you might remember the "it's not the best idea" bit

[velvet current]

anyone notice dream guide is not proccing at all (i.e. we are not gaining stacks of it from damage at any time) on midnight falls/l'ura?

[clever pond]

does Frenzied Regen proc ForestWalk?

perhaps ... only if I also have Reinvigoration...?

[rustic kestrel]

if you have reinvigoration talented yes

[clever pond]

tyty ❤️

[velvet current]

looks like it and DoC are only proccing off apex talents on l'ura from the five logs I looked at that were posted today

[zealous nacelle]

thoughts on bonus rolls

have 2 this week

[daring mortar]

did they patch the skyreach 3rd boss thing

[rustic kestrel]

get rid of that fucking terrible trinket

[zealous nacelle]

the absorb lol

[daring mortar]

the thing where you stand on the edge and bird go down

[rustic kestrel]

yes they patched it to instantly wipe the group if you try it

[daring mortar]

okay now I gotta try it

[zealous nacelle]

Should I just grab emberwing trinket

[velvet current]

I guess there's not really anything to do about it since you have to path through that node but yeah it looks like all of l'ura's damage is periodic or something lol

[quaint pond]

it might jsut be all coded as a proc since i guess it doesn't actually swing for melee etc.

[rotund maple]

hey can one of you list for my Maisara 20 thanks

[steel turret]

Anyone know what the best trinkets / rings are. Im seeing guides on wowhead and icy-veins using voidlight bindings and puzzle box. Aren't those more dps oriented? Not for pushing high keys?

[rotund maple]

high keys rn are a lot about damage. Timers are hella tight this season.
I'm not a bear though omw back to cat chat.

[olive compass]

guidon has to be pretty decent for bear right ?

[high sand]

is myth track feather good enough to pick up for bear, or should i go token?

(I mostly M+)

[olive compass]

i got myth guidon & prism from vault im kinda hesitating between either of those or bonus token

[stiff phoenix]

i rolled puzzle box trying to get a wep and gotta use it - what's the play here just like feral frenzy make sure im living?

[crisp fable]

did we secretly get nerfed again?..

yesterday's sim

today's sim with an upgrade that should've been ~700 dps

[zealous nacelle]

asking again..I only key. should i roll for feather and just sent voidcore on trinket

[crisp fable]

voidcore weap first

[zealous nacelle]

I have 3

[crisp fable]

personally idk how good feather is, i run gaze + hotw

[quartz geode]

is a myth track agi staff worth taking even if it doesn't have haste? got the wrong staff from AA in my vault, and the only other option is heroic gloom or take a bonus roll

[stiff phoenix]

A bonus roll in AA could be anything, it could even be the wrong staff 😛

[quartz geode]

yeah exactly LOL

[stiff phoenix]

I think that's the answer though, im in the same boat with a hero track wep rn

I'm a filthy resto reroller

[rustic kestrel]

your secondary stats barely matter at all

yes a mythic weapon is worth

[proper slate]

good trinket?

[quartz geode]

word thanks

[blazing gyro]

for crafted gear whats the loss on having it be bracers belt instead of cloak?
is there any loss on having the stats be hast mastery so it works for resto and otehr specs?

[olive compass]

bad

[stiff phoenix]

bump

[blazing gyro]

sims well but annoying to use as yould have to keep moving to pickup the souls

[proper slate]

oh fff that

i assume it just gave you them

why the hell do you have to pick them up

[olive compass]

its sim bait

[blazing gyro]

use it along side other DPS cds (just before you sundering roar etc)

[blazing gyro]

because blizz cant make up there mind if trinkets like this should be passive (arakara sac, gaze and the one from omega) or need player interaction but be more powerful

[quaint pond]

wdym sims well

does anyone actually have a sim where it does well?

[crisp fable]

oi

u know if we got nerfed?

secretly?

[quaint pond]

no but maybe some bug got fixed idk

[crisp fable]

cringe

that bug cost us 5k st dps

[quaint pond]

maybe you're simming diff things

[crisp fable]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8uUvoRfiYH1gtR1XaRF8qQ

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pC9VcF5NCLyRZNA1V2pkPg

you never know

i might be special

[blazing gyro]

one is based on the raidbots build from the 12th

[crisp fable]

oh so i was simming pre-nerf?

even tho the sim was ran yday?

[blazing gyro]

yeah

if you look at the right it tells you what build the sim was ran in

[quaint pond]

you should use latest build, not weekly

[crisp fable]

ahhhh

ma baad

[crisp fable]

how do we do that?

[quaint pond]

there's a dropdown at the bottom with other sim options

[crisp fable]

ah found it, thanks

[topaz hornet]

Can someone give me a little help with diminishing returns
On Murlok it says optimal stats, but for example my mastery is higher than the optmial but it has the same percentage, which value should I aim for? Other stats also don't match the values/percentages

[crisp fable]

isn't murlok terrible?

[topaz hornet]

is it? always liked it

[crisp fable]

i remember reading some1 say it's absolutely trash xd

maybe only good to check what top players are running but thats it

that's what my stats look like, according to the graph i have like nearly double the mastery

meanwhile sims says i'm 99% bis gear or whatever xd

[topaz hornet]

but aren't sims only for dps? i'm currently prioritizing survivability

[crisp fable]

spam ironfur more

are u doing m+ or for raid u mean

[topaz hornet]

m+, pushing for 17s

[crisp fable]

17s u can run literally in a dps spec, they barely hit

i run these stats for m+

avoidance being from seat 2 set rings

[trim plaza]

Ur stats are more than fine, go slap dungeons

[tall basin]

ye but what do you want more? your haste is gucci.
crit + mastery + versa don't matter
i have ~120 versa and still run 20-21^^
if i have max 500-600 versa. i don't think i would survive more

[blazing gyro]

been being squeemish about pushing to higher keys should i be or just start blasting them?

[tall basin]

first you should enh your gear ^^
normally you at 4% leech. don't need the speed enh

[topaz hornet]

got it

another thing, where can I get good high key routes?

[blazing gyro]

keystone guru, raider IO both have aggregates of peoples runs

[crisp fable]

i watch kira, naowh

both insane players and give nice tech

and u just copy their route

[blazing gyro]

im running the avoidance ones atm, might swap that XD

[tall basin]

i check raider.io top keys.
then i send the route and ask the group if they can handle it or not.
for example this pull. you need to kick 4 void terror. if the guys use marker, the pull is free. if they don't use it. i need to split this pull.

[copper knot]

i have myth weap from skyreach (crit/haste) so surely it's not worth getting the chim weap just for stats?

my head is 1/6 champ so surely that ilvl is better, right?

[tall basin]

where do you sent your bonusroll's for this week?

[copper knot]

uhm, depends

are the rings from NXP actually bis?

otherwise could still go for chim mythic for gaze

[crisp fable]

for ST yes

imo if u have champ helm u deffos take helm

[blazing gyro]

yeah the jump from champ to myth is big

[tall basin]

gucci
then i would run bonus rolls for gaze
and depent's on your next rolls.
head dropps in seat. seat also gucci neck but also the biggest item pool.
MT - idk what you want there
MC - Belt and good weapon if you don't get it from chim or AA

Ring - Ye the Nexus ring combo is okay - overall it deals ~1% dmg in M+. But i wouldn't focus on farming them.

[blazing gyro]

i got lucky with the rings and got them within 4 bonus rolls

[tall basin]

sorry for using your pic XD but this is perfect here XD

[blazing gyro]

hehehhe got puzzle box on fourth algethar bonus roll as well XD
annoyingly the weapon was the non haste one but considering where to spend my rolls carefully now (unlikely to do mythic chim soon but if i did might be worth) outside of that need neck and head

[trim plaza]

Speed enchants way more value than leech for tanks

That 4% leech does absolute nothing

[tall basin]

okay then the top 50 tanks are boosted

[gusty sapphire]

[trim plaza]

Did i say they are boosted?

No

[gusty sapphire]

mploosers do dumb shit all the time

[trim plaza]

Spees is way more useful most of the times in dungeons and raids than leech, especially for a bear which self heals like crazy already

[tall basin]

then why they don't use the "better" speed?

[trim plaza]

Ask them

Not me

[blazing gyro]

considering we have a lot in our tree that isnt on the stats page (15% from feline 5% from lycaras if you take it) i dont think the speed enchants are going to do much for us

[gusty sapphire]

4% leech gives u 20k hps on a 500k dps pull

full speed enchants is what

10%?

[trim plaza]

But i guarantee u dont see any difference having that leech or not

[knotty island]

More leech will reduce your external healing required per second in basically all unstable scenarios, more speed will save you 3 steps out of 100 if you need to move.

[lone flare]

the answer is probably "becaues they prefer it", it does result in measurable additional healing, minor, yes, but the other two options are also minor, why are you all up in arms about something so realistically meaningless

copy the top 50 if you want, run speed if you want

it won't make or break your key

[trim plaza]

^

[gusty sapphire]

technically 10 steps out of 100 🙂

[trim plaza]

Might aswell go for avoidance too, like its so small gap anyway

[gusty sapphire]

avoidance is legit trolling

[lone flare]

on a tank, maybe, on other specs/classes, less so

[gusty sapphire]

yes, this is #guardian

probably assume this discussion revolves around the spec this channel is for

[lone flare]

god forbid I mention the existence of other things in the guardian channel

lmao

[gusty sapphire]

[high path]

Neither enchant really matters or influence anything on a tank

[knotty island]

Yeah, i was being obtuse. Speed is always speed where as leech scales up as the packs scale up and the damage you're doing increases.

[high path]

The leech matters for healers, avoidance for DPS, tanks don't really care either way

[summer hatch]

speed op

[wind sedge]

Can someone explain the defensive value of Gloom-Spattered Dreadscale? Kinda confusing the tooltip