guardian

[half surge]

if u kill caster quick enough

or u can mix and pull right cast er into p10 with dk

and pull the whole lot of funnel for DH into boss

maisara is the tricky one

cuz we are EC druids

we have lunar beam

so... we pull bats after 1st boss

so i made a route around it

[red knoll]

i think its just MC where my lower key route doesnt work

[half surge]

MC is easy dungeon

[red knoll]

and seat i guess

[half surge]

seat yeah..

[red knoll]

idk i like my seat route

[half surge]

as long as u enjoy it

[red knoll]

but people dont like big guys

D:

[half surge]

for MC u can take mine

its a mixy mixy from kira

and my own

[vapid forum]

These unrestrictred class t2 rehue sets are actually sick

https://i.imgur.com/zXJAqa9.gif

[olive compass]

z troll opinion invalid

[red knoll]

ztroll is cool

just bad

[rustic kestrel]

Thats a haranir

[zenith bronze]

I never realized how much fun laser bear was

Oh my god

I was playing balance all this time like an absolute buffoon

[south rock]

is it still possible to get a higher chance for windrunner items if you just walk 10 windrunner keys a week?

[grave vapor]

Why is mastery a bad stat for nopex?

[trim plaza]

U mean in vault?

[south rock]

yes

[trim plaza]

Nope

U will get loot from all dungeons loot pools

[summer hatch]

whats the best place to reroll

[lucid arrow]

it's not, just not a prio

mostly because you get enough from LB

better to stack haste for LB uptime than mastery

[trim plaza]

Windrunner spire is overall best for a fresh char

[summer hatch]

gucci

[olive compass]

thbey look r word

[thick apex]

What is the reason that the guide recommends Circle of the Wild for Elunes Chosen? My main source of damage is thrash (40%) and moonfire (30%), which both are arcane damage. Is thrash physical arcane damage?

[oblique moat]

https://tenor.com/view/arbok-gunk-shot-trash-can-trash-can-throw-yeet-gif-5041324679683272940

[red knoll]

tooltip is wrong

[brazen tinsel]

#guardian message

[red knoll]

yo what move is that

is that gunk shot

[oblique moat]

i have no idea

but it's based

[red knoll]

also what game is that

cuz mega pidgeot wasnt in battle rev

[fallen robin]

It's in the pins

[oblique moat]

the link says gunkshot so yeah

no idea game tho

[thick apex]

thank you!

[nimble reef]

I'm sorry for the possibly dumb question, I'm new here. What's this build? Is it the typical build for bear?

[red knoll]

typical in that its what people run, its not typical in that its intended to be the playstyle of bear

[olive compass]

it is

[red knoll]

im just confused which game it is cuz

thats not ds graphics

[olive compass]

im guessing ZA legends

[daring nymph]

no

[zenith bronze]

I'm leveling a guardian druid via Elunes Chosen. I have no clue if it's meta or w/e I just think it's fun

[daring nymph]

new stadium game

its kinda

ew tho

[red knoll]

thats not champions

[daring nymph]

has to be champions

[red knoll]

its not

[daring nymph]

no other game has that background

strangege

oh tis xy

FUCK THAT WAS YEARS AGO

[olive compass]

damn it looks good still

[nimble reef]

I'm leveling a guardian right now too, but still early levels. Are you following icy veins or wowhead leveling?

[zenith bronze]

Nope

Just winging it

My entire play style right now is around maximizing arcane damage to maximize self healing

My other main is a death knight....

[olive compass]

you can level however you want

it won't have a big impact

[nimble reef]

Understandable then, thank you

[zenith bronze]

I have no plans on moving to a meta build when I hit 90 either

I'm just gonna vibe

I'm not gonna be doing M+ so it doesn't really matter that much

[red knoll]

raiding?

[zenith bronze]

Maybe casually

At the most it'll be LFDs and solo content

I do wanna get back into tanking tho

[carmine axle]

How bad is convoke compared to guardian of ursoc?

[olive compass]

you mean incarn ?

[carmine axle]

Yes, Incarnation: Guardian of Ursoc vs Convoke the Spirits

[brazen tinsel]

depends on the context but bear runs incarn pretty much everywhere

[carmine axle]

For M+, I like to time Lunar Beam, Sundering Roar and Convoke, feels nice. But I'm not sure if Incarnation is better. I assume so, but I don't know by how much.

[red knoll]

incarn is like

infinitely better

for timing keys

[carmine axle]

ok, ty

[brazen tinsel]

definitely incarn, yeah

convoke is only a niche pick for ST encounters

[gloomy flicker]

i just want to time that 17 seat but all groups looks like that

wtf is happening fr

every single key

[noble ledge]

Soo I have always these weird moments where I get a route and then something unexpected happens

I went into M0 to try and I don't know how you pull G31 without pulling G30 or G35

As in right after failing 18 and being confused

[hazy mural]

all 4 on the left side are chained to eachother

3 defenders and arcanist

[noble ledge]

Using routes linked in Pugs is like accepting drink from a stranger

[hazy mural]

[cosmic crane]

You doing 18s and following.... random pug dps routes?

[noble ledge]

Yes

[cosmic crane]

Sounds like you got a problem with getting in the strangers van if they offer u candy too

[noble ledge]

Y.. Yes?

[zenith bronze]

But it looks so tasty

[formal stream]

I started playing wow when midnight was released, and I started tanking two weeks ago. I'm happy because I reached 3 k rating on my bear, the gameplay is so much fun.

I should try to reach 3k4, but playing in pug is quite frustrating.

I need to farm some Mythic Crests (339/900) to upgrade my gear (stuck at ilvl 278). What's the best way to do that ? Should I aim for +10 or +12 ? Is there a specific dungeon for this ?

[olive compass]

12s is the most you can get in terms of crests

[zenith bronze]

Damn 3k?

Maybe I should try M+

[formal stream]

you should, it's not that hard

[hazy mural]

11, I think

oh wait no 12 but 16 max

[mossy sundial]

thoughts

[formal stream]

skyreach and terrace are the fastest dungeons to farm ?

[cosmic crane]

https://i.imgur.com/pJvbpOt.png

meta follower leader performance king

[hazy mural]

pit is fast af too

[noble ledge]

ConsolePort

[formal stream]

yes

[mossy sundial]

160k is rough

[cosmic crane]

Yeah hes ass just plays a lot

[formal stream]

i'll try this dungeon too, thanks

[mossy sundial]

are guardian key % parses cooked rn anyway

since the nerf

[cosmic crane]

No

Nerf coincided with 10 ilvl on weapon right?

[mossy sundial]

weapon and trinket gave 3 %

[zenith bronze]

ConsolePort my beloved

[cosmic crane]

Gear gains are enough that parses arent gonna be broken

Even with nerf

[noble ledge]

Whaa is there like no controller emoji by default in Discord?

[cosmic crane]

🎮

[hazy mural]

🎮

[noble ledge]

Omg I am dum

🎮🐛

There we go, perfect

[hazy mural]

very much so

also takes drinks from strange pugs

[noble ledge]

Shame on me

Give me a route, pretty please

[hazy mural]

and also somehow hated Healsforcash

[noble ledge]

Yes, because you're dum aswell

[hazy mural]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217

[noble ledge]

[mossy sundial]

barely any 21s even up

its time to team

[red knoll]

@high path oh god give me a grid2 profile for resto

[high path]

no

i use danders

because my brain can't

[red knoll]

im using guilty's profiles

and theyre not made for resto at all

[high path]

i tried grid 2

[red knoll]

lmfao

[high path]

and i couldn't get it the way i wanted it to

[red knoll]

can u tell who has hots on them

🙂

[formal stream]

Yesterday, a dps made a fuss because I wasn't using his favourite streamer route and was pulling more packs. Am I just supposed to save him and not say anything ? I don't want to waste time and fail a key because of that. I usually don't even respond to pug at all, except the healer.

[red knoll]

dps should stfu when it comes to routing

if theyre pugs

[hazy mural]

ignore him, move as u planned

[formal stream]

👌

[shut jasper]

at that key level you can time it comfortably using lindordmi's guidance even

[formal stream]

that's what i'm using

[red knoll]

if ur doing weekly keys yeah

just tell them to stfu

[noble ledge]

Can someone make drama to entertain me

[red knoll]

sorry i tried earlier today

andy isnt biting

he bit yesterday on a week old post i made

lmao

[oblique moat]

oh is andy someone's actual name

i thought it was the meme

[red knoll]

yeah number 1 bear

im glad he cares what i think of him

but yeah look up like 7:30 ish est yesterday

he came in with an old ss of what i said last week then called me a clown then called face a clown

or something like that

cuz he called the whole discord a clown

[shut jasper]

you can make some drama too, we believe in you

[red knoll]

@carmine sandal when will andy be back

@high path is it worth pressing dps buttons as rsham

[noble ledge]

🗒️🐛 Lets see...

[high path]

uh

raid or keys

raid no

[noble ledge]

I'll take a break, and come back with the most ridiculous thing

[red knoll]

keys

[noble ledge]

And everyone will be mad at me

[high path]

keys you just run acid rain

and pretend you matter

[carmine sandal]

Why are you obsessed

Let it go mate

[high path]

and ig if you're bored press CH

[carmine sandal]

Stop pinging me

[red knoll]

rude

i was trying to fulfil red panda's request

🙁

@noble ledge sorry i tried

[valid dirge]

do we need 4 set for bear? my friend said u dont press the 4 set buttons on elunes chosen build

[brazen tinsel]

in m+ you dont strictly need it, no

in raid you absolutely do

[red knoll]

idk what else you would run

our secondaries arent to the point where its worth optimizing them to that degree so just run the tier

[noble ledge]

Looks like partial success to meee 🌺

[shut jasper]

if you're short on catalyst and have a higher piece you can drop it

[red knoll]

how tf are u short on catalyst tho

lmao

[red knoll]

everyone hates me

[copper hornet]

ah, but they do know you?

[red knoll]

im just a silly little guy

i think all the orange names hate me

[brazen tinsel]

weird

[red knoll]

no its not weird i do a little trolling sometimes

[olive compass]

dont worry, i hate you too and im white name

[red knoll]

ya but u dont matter

[olive compass]

wtf

miik lives matter

[copper hornet]

wait they do?

[olive compass]

yea

common misconception realluy

[red knoll]

if u dont have color in ur name

u dont matter

everyone knows this

its why rior is dead

[olive compass]

i deserve color but i never got it because i defended my boy Turtle

big conspiracy

[rustic kestrel]

remove all color

anarchy

[red knoll]

o.o

you cant just say that

[zenith bronze]

Rip me

[merry quest]

[neat solar]

Anyone know what causes this on the cool down manager?

[copper hornet]

uhh

[red knoll]

um

some addon

[copper hornet]

addon?

ok stop copying me

[red knoll]

hope this helps

[neat solar]

It only pops up sometimes

[merry quest]

@rustic kestrel man, if you hadn’t just posted it the eight lines above would’ve been fucking prime material for the pic

[rustic kestrel]

lmao right

i love that screenshot

[hazy mural]

@lone flare had this problem iirc... something about centered cooldown addon or something being screwed by a blizzard bug

[neat solar]

I don't want it being always visible >:(

that's lame lol

[rustic kestrel]

Ive never had this issue, but i dont use a cdm addon

[indigo forge]

Based

[misty plank]

Does your CDM overlap with anything in edit mode? Mine overlapped a tiny bit with my nameplate and the bug stopped when I put a small gap between them

[bleak kernel]

My bear tank pull randomly packs without using any spells, how is it possible?

[rustic kestrel]

If Waking Nightmare spawns while you target a mob it will pull

[red knoll]

waking nightmares bug

[bleak kernel]

got you

ty

[analog pagoda]

Hey yall good evening, question what would you say is the most efficient way to get good as bear tank, how do you "train"

[red knoll]

run dungeons

[analog pagoda]

yeah I find myself having no probs till 11 s so maybe its just fear to mess things up to go further

[copper hornet]

only way to learn is to do

[red knoll]

just blame dps

or healer

gg

[copper hornet]

just do 12s

or 13s

or 14s or whatever

[fallen lantern]

Is there a macro for spammable regrowth while in bearform where it wont take me out of form?

[copper hornet]

no

[red knoll]

no

they removed that in df

🙂

[limber current]

This lmao

[fallen lantern]

Dam i havent played since shadowlands

[analog pagoda]

I ll keep that in mind, haha already feeling better lol

Thanks !

[red knoll]

thats not a serious suggestion tho

[limber current]

You can always pull up the meter and find something that someone sucks at. #metermonkies

[analog pagoda]

I know XD

[limber current]

Tanks and healers need alot more reps than dps. You will brick keys. Its ok. Just do it. Reflect afterword on what you could do better and try again. Every so often watch a ytuber thats alot beter than you for tips/tricks. Add enough time and you will be smashing 20s 😉

[stable moon]

I feel like theres 3 different builds going around for guardian druid for m+

whats the suggested build

with hero talents or no hero talents

[summer hatch]

is there a way to track when im in lunar beam

or is it just mobs have to be in it

[quaint pond]

the beam is just aoe & leech

the main benefit is a buff on you

[dense linden]

is anyone aware of pit g48 randomly pulling with boss and no one is standing remotely near that pack. On brew was never an issue and i havent discovered a pattern why is sometimes pulling and sometimes is not

[rustic kestrel]

Are you accidently targetting it? theres a pull bug with waking nightmare

[steel vault]

There is a lot of strength in bear right now. 🙂 IMO, I like the noapex version, WITH natural resillence for a good prepull absorb. I personally also like DREAM GUIDE (auto casts regrowth when someone gets below 40%) instead of dream of cendarius (where YOU have to manually case regrowth). Awoo has a good build I've been using, the guardian part is same I think as andymeow if you want to look those up. IN DRUID talent, I like Awoo's take on HOTW with MOONKIN form. This allows you to prepull cast moonkin hotw then bear then FR shield, and as you run into pull, you raid starts (from HOTW) generating a lot more aggro on mobs in big pulls. This helps me in pugs who ... dont always wait till the pull is done ... if you have a good team that waits till you gather, might use those points elsewhere.

[dense linden]

i tried doing that in m0 and couldnt cast anywhere from the boss area so i have no idea what must be an issue

[steel vault]

right now, the noapex talent build is most popular, both at super high keys and for regulars, BUT, lot of folks still play the apex talent build. The PIN here recommends a noapex build, as does the wowhead guide. So noapex is most popular right now, with some of the variations I mention above.

[vernal fog]

does anyone know for the skyreach 3rd boss where u stand on the spike on the edge and drop birds, sometimes they come back up and sometimes they dont

[rustic kestrel]

its not worth it because you can get unlucky and brick the key

[olive compass]

this will get fixed and/or banned very soon

[onyx sonnet]

I only tried once and it landed on the pillar both times.

[lucid arrow]

anyone know why my dmg is poopies?

(log inc)

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VZ7Nx4TghfpP3nz2?fight=1&type=summary

other than i need to stop hitting mangle

[rustic kestrel]

9.4 thrash cpm

cant really fully look through rn but that is a glaring issue

[burnt sandal]

Yea I was comparing to a 19 seat I have it seems like you just aren’t thrashing much

Are you always using sundering to fully reset a thrash CD or hitting it haphazardly

[lucid arrow]

i try to time it with 5 stacks of thrash on mobs

[abstract marlin]

Is anyone able to help me with the defensive rotation for guardian druid?

I'm starting to run +15 and +16's and I have an issue where i have big gaps in defensive mitigation and take huge damage.

I can keep iron fur maxed out and still its big damage.

I start a pull with barkskin.

Then rotate to moonbean when barkskin is done.

Using frenzied regen during those cooldowns to stay topped and contribute to a sheild

Then im waiting those very painful few seconds where i have nothing happens and i can topple over. I typically press survive instincts or incarn in panic to survive!

I also try to use typhoon and kite during downtime, but i dont see other druids doing that.

Any advice is very appreciated. Thank you in advance droods!

[rustic kestrel]

theres times ur in incarn and hit 3 moonfires in a row

[burnt sandal]

Yea waking nightmare damage is low due to low thrash cast. I think you just gotta focus on watching your thrash CD and making it priority over everything

[lucid arrow]

alr thx chiefs

gotta put my paperweight on thrash

[burnt sandal]

And 5 stacks sundering is cool. But really just using it on CD to reset your CD on thrash is the move

Waiting 20 seconds or some shit to get to 5 stacks outside of berserk will kill your uptime

[rustic kestrel]

Just as a comparison, Squish on a seat has 13.8 thrash cpm

Which means hes casting thrash 50% more often then you

[lucid arrow]

thrash mogging

[dusty terrace]

Do we really not mangle in apexless build?

[lucid arrow]

nope

[dusty terrace]

Wild

[lucid arrow]

only for emergency rage

[burnt sandal]

Not unless you desperately need rage last second

[jovial mauve]

Is dreadscales good for us on high keys? Or just go sonething like gaze+feather?

[lucid arrow]

dreadscale is great

[dusty terrace]

Because moonfire pushes your moon cd faster?

[red knoll]

why would u use feather over scales

[lucid arrow]

yuge even

[burnt sandal]

Feather is more damage. But dreadscale has a defensive aspect

[lucid arrow]

yes

[red knoll]

and you should still mangle at low target counts when you need rage

[trim plaza]

Dmg wise way better for noapex

[red knoll]

damage aint the only thing that matters in high keys

[jovial mauve]

Yes but idk, just rerolled from brew and doing 3 +19s today with 280 ilvl and 276 weapon and felt like not needing the absorb

[burnt sandal]

I mean a lot of people in high keys run puzzle/gaze

You don’t “need” the defensive part of gloom if you play optimally

So in that case they take damage

[jovial mauve]

My brew is almost 290 and my bear 280 is more tanky

[lucid arrow]

i would rather grey parse than use puzzlebox

[burnt sandal]

I don’t get the puzzlebox hate

We have the easiest time using it of pretty much all tanks

Other people straight up can’t or it’s really risky

[lucid arrow]

it just feels bad to press

[trim plaza]

The only thing i like dreadscale for is start of the pulls

[lucid arrow]

dreadscale is also good for threat

[trim plaza]

Y

[lucid arrow]

extra threat grab button

[red knoll]

it is very good for pulling

and on bosses

for soaks

[burnt sandal]

Pressing moonfire 780 times a key feels bad to press

But here we are

[lucid arrow]

that's why blizzard has implemented hold to cast!

[jovial mauve]

Y thats what i was going to say, not only defensive sometimes if i start with no incarn and dps dont w8 a bit i use it after the 1st thrash

[red knoll]

but also you should have a better weapon

at 280

weapon should be your first thing you go fo

for

[burnt sandal]

You don’t actually use hold to cast right

[red knoll]

before literally anything else

[jovial mauve]

Im holding upgrade tokens for reset

[red knoll]

???

[burnt sandal]

Because that would explain the 3X moonfire during incarn lol

[lucid arrow]

no the 3x moonfire is me

hold to cast is off ever since it sent my 2 stacks of defs on my prot pala at once

[red knoll]

youre 280 without using any tokens?

[jovial mauve]

I will get chimaerus mm roll, vault or crafted weapon on wednesday so i didnt want to farm another 5 shards

I upgraded hc dreadscales and myth heart

[red knoll]

you should have a mythic weapon

[trim plaza]

Start of pull is always barkskin, u can always lunar beam also start of the pull, send lunar beam on cd expect if pack is about to die, incarn+lunar beam should be more than enough to survive and after it ends barskin is next in line, SI for those ohh shiet moments, just remember use lunar beam on cd, dont hold it, it gives huge dmg/defensive benefits for u and maintain high ironfurs which is easy.

[lucid arrow]

FR absorb talent is also peak

[trim plaza]

U can also send logs for people to check what u do wrong

[lucid arrow]

all my homies hate brambles

[trim plaza]

And we can help with that

[jovial mauve]

Im just chilling getting resi 19 and maybe some 20s

[red knoll]

its literally the first thing you should get when you hit 90 lol

[jovial mauve]

On wednesday i will get one myth weapon and upgrade to 295-298

[red knoll]

just confused how you get to 280 and not have amythic weapon

[trim plaza]

Mby bad luck with tokens or sendin them all over the place

[jovial mauve]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/zuljin/Boomerform

U can see xd

[red knoll]

never said i didnt believe you, im just saying its not good

[jovial mauve]

283 lol

[red knoll]

your first 80 crests should go to that if you're not farming AA for a weapon

[jovial mauve]

Im farming chimaerus weapon, i rolled 2 weeks

Just didnt want to do 50 +12s to cap myth crests xd

I should craft a myth weapon but at this moment can w8 for reset

[red knoll]

I just dont get how people let you tank their 19s without a myth weapon lol

[jovial mauve]

Hahahah

Y they inv me today when not even 3k4

Just resi 19 on my brew

So they trust

[red knoll]

yeah ur damage is just like

30% less than what it should be

with a weapon that low

so its odd

[jovial mauve]

Prob y, i did 100k in WRS and 120 in POS

110k on MT i guess

[red knoll]

thats not what wcl says

not a question of skill just

weapon is a large portion of damage ceiling

[trim plaza]

I would just farm spire and clear whole loot table, u can always get the chimaerus weapon later and upgrade it for free

Feels kinda pointless to send all rolls to that

[jovial mauve]

114k on MT, 100k POS

WRS had no log

I remember it was 100k on details

[red knoll]

yeah looks like top end bear dps is around 130-150k in pos

so about 30%

[jovial mauve]

Y im trolling

[jovial mauve]

But im mainly farming the trinket, also giving a chance for weapon

But ure right

I should craft it

So if i get the 298 chimaerus trinket what should I swap? 285 dreadscale or 298 heart of wind?

Dreadscales, just for dmg and ilvl, because im raiding with brew i can pug chimaerus but dragons… no thx xd

[trim plaza]

What u prefer, i use gaze/feather and gaze/dreadscale depending on dungeon

[trim plaza]

Y i understand, i just got omega lucky to get the chim weapon from vault and rolled gaze with second roll

[jovial mauve]

Id like to farm feather but having heart if i get gaze maybe i should roll for nexus rings next week

I splitted my rolls 1st week into nexus and spire, rolling 2 times at chimaerus

Feather with incarn should be insane

But how u do in MT for example, because i incarn prepull and hold it for 2nd pack with lust so u hold the trinket for 2nd pack or i am doing it wrong not pressing incarn again in 1st pack when prepull buff ends?

[trim plaza]

Also guidon is good with incarn

[trim plaza]

I hold incarn for second pull myself and send feather there

[late sleet]

Hey guys

New bear here. Which guide should I follow?

[trim plaza]

What i like about guidon more than feather is that with feather, u sometime hold incarn for like 10-15sec to line up with feather, guidon is always ready with it

[jovial mauve]

I should check a 10 min quick sim to see if its better to hold incarn or use trinket at mid incarn

The problem is that sim cast mauls

Idk if affects to incarn cdr

Instead of spamming ironfur with no gcd

On a 5 min sim i did before feather was better than guidon

But i cant quicksim if dont have the trinket i guess

[trim plaza]

U can, just find the trinket with name and add it

And choose the wanted ilvl etc

[hollow relic]

hey, I need a macros which will cast regrowth in bear form if I have dream of cenarius, but not go out of form if not dream of cenarius is not active. this is what I used before, but it doesnt seem to work anymore
#showtooltip Regrowth
/run if InCombatLockdown() then SetCVar("autounshift",0) end
/cast Regrowth
/console autounshift 1

[quaint pond]

blizzard blocked that a while back.

you can't change autoshift in the middle of combat. you'll have to pick one or the other. can do it manually or find an addon

[hollow relic]

thanks brother. blizzard pooped their pants as always

[quaint pond]

unlucky watching their buff UI is a skill they want you to learn

i think it was something with some kind of classic exploit, i forget exactly why they did it

[hollow relic]

To turn autoshift off:
/run C_CVar.SetCVar("autoUnshift",0)
To check current state of autoshift:
/dump C_CVar.GetCVar("autoUnshift")

ok, this then disable your ability transform into travel form lmao. this is lame AF. this helped tho, but regular buttons dont work:
/cancelform
/cast Travel Form(Shapeshift)

[cinder pebble]

How does Frenzied Regeneration's increased healing from missing health work? Does every tick of Frenzied Regeneration heal for an increased amount if I use it at low health, or does each subsequent tick heal for less as my health goes up?

[summer hatch]

how does draught of rampant work on guardian? with us getting silenced

[quaint pond]

it snapshots, so the effect depends solely on your hp when you cast FR

[cinder pebble]

Thank you

[lone flare]

set the visibility in edit mode to always visible, then use cooldown manager centered to set the visibility to what you want, it's a bug on the blizzard frames apparently when they're set to hide out of combat, if you do it via addon it doesn't happen

[lone flare]

you're best off using dream guide or learning to always move or jump while casting regrowth, that won't unshift you, and yeah, it seems blizzard want you to learn that skill, best talent adaptation too so you don't blow up if you accidentally unshift

[neat solar]

Thanks!

[fierce hemlock]

Sup, whats the deal with every guide is saying AA BOX is super good yet none of the top players are running it?

Is it due to team comp or just preference

[vague sage]

If you can make it work, its a lot of stats

Realistically though, its just a pain in the ass

[fierce hemlock]

So its more a ease of use than the other trinkets.

[vague sage]

You just dont really want to be channeling while actively tanking. Which in a dungeon is like almost all the time

[quaint pond]

idk if it's even better now regardless of the cast time

not when ppl have access to gaze

a lot of bear guides are outdated also

[olive hare]

Pbox is hands down the best trinket for apex builds because its all about amping those wigu razes. No apex EC is less spiky so double passive could be competitive/better . I think the Gear section of those Guides Just wasnt updated

[mighty gazelle]

Sorry this is probs asked alot btu do we have a macro for Dream of Cenarius proc so we dont break bear?

[quaint pond]

no blizz killed that

[mighty gazelle]

ah okay ty

[rustic spade]

im struggling with surving gathers. are there any tips on how to make it more consistant?

[limber current]

Pool rage for an if pre pull and save your mid pull backskin for the gathering of the next pack

[still locust]

Spec dreamguide if you struggle with it

[still locust]

Really doesn't affect us that much, people just don't like the channel for a multitude of reasons

[mighty gazelle]

i just dont wanna shift out accidently, but yeah did look at that, i assume its not as effective though

[still locust]

It pretty much is, unless you rely on the synergy of dream of cenarius and reinvigoration

DoC is 230% of a normal regrowth, dream guide is automatic but "only" 200% of a normal regrowth

Dreamguide doesn't work with reinvig. It steals a stack without buffing the regrowth. I still prefer dreamguide, and putting the reinvig points somewhere else

Except maybe in nexus point xenas because of the heal absorbs

Shifting out accidentally is also much less of a death sentence these days with Persistence

[mighty gazelle]

cheers ty for the info, since u seem to know abit, with the no apex thrash build and i only using thrash and moonfire? not even maul for rage or swipe for aoe?

[still locust]

Depends on your exact build

Some people like the full brain off thrash mf mf mf spam

[mighty gazelle]

i sorta dont wanna do that and press buttons lol

[still locust]

And in that build (without killing blow and soul of the forest) mangle and maul aren't really worth pressing for damage

[still locust]

Gimme 2 minutes, will find something

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/guardian/compendium#mythic-talents

This has fold-out sections with 3 builds for each hero tree

[mighty gazelle]

thanks 😄

[mortal wharf]

get ready for no caps

[elder pier]

so u press non GG moonfire over mangle?

[still locust]

Well that build just press thrash mf mf mf thrash mf mf mf

I don't personally recommend that

Because even if mangle is a theoretical damage loss, it's still a LOT of rage

[elder pier]

that sounds so wrong

[still locust]

Which is useful defensively

[still locust]

Yeah but it works so

If you like playing it, and can do so without falling asleep (challenge: impossible) then go for it I guess

If you don't, actually playing the spec is very good too

[elder pier]

im playing it but im mangling like usual lmao

ill try removing mangle and see the dmg for a key

[trim plaza]

I did 1 run with only mf/trash gameplay, impossible dead asss boring, started pressing mangle and already felt much better

[shy berry]

Big number fun

[stiff phoenix]

Man I thought is try the EC build with moonfire and thrash/if on mouse wheel up/down. Felt so degen. I think im going back to dotc

I hope they update something, I don’t like the sleep build being that good

[still locust]

We got confirmation that they're doing something to us in the near future, probably mostly (if not entirely) through apex

But we don't know anything except that it's in the pipeline

[rustic viper]

so what do u press when thrash is on cd? just spam mf?

[still locust]

That's what that build does, yes

It works, but we don't recommend it

[rustic viper]

wack

[prime holly]

Thoughts on dotc for keys above 16?

[still locust]

Perfectly fine

We have like 6 viable builds that can all do +20s

[prime holly]

Huge. I feel like the biggest barrier I’m hitting right now is boss damage with ec. On packs it’s so much damage but bosses just feel like they take forever

[hazy mural]

sad thing is nopex actually does same damage as other bear builds on ST too

[prime holly]

Oh no. So dotc only really cranks in raid?

[hazy mural]

nah, they all work in all content. Think EC is slightly ahead in raid but DOTC works there too just as both work in M+ except nopex is usable and preferred by most in M+

it mainly comes down to how u want to play, and u wont be griefing playing that style u want

[lethal elbow]

QQ if I can - Will Moonkin HOTW pull extra mobs, or do I need to MF pull then hit it on big pulls?

[still locust]

It will only hit mobs in combat

[lethal elbow]

ty ❤️

never really used it and thought I best find otu!

[half surge]

NPX hits hard af...

almost overhealed healer

18 npx

[rustic viper]

lol the name

[half surge]

mine? ofc its good i know

[rustic viper]

no sry

the ru guy

[half surge]

yeah

good one

[rustic viper]

sonofsausage

[half surge]

sonofsausage

[rustic viper]

i swear they always have the most random stuff

[half surge]

cuz ru names are... cringe af

while on english u can have something good sound

[rustic viper]

like my highmountain being called magnanimoose

🗣️

[half surge]

but yeah... npx mobs hit hard on the left side

fkin heelll

first pull healing be like

[rustic viper]

i derped and looked at 173k healing from warrior and went how tf

[hazy mural]

defenders be evil

[half surge]

and first pull has 6 of them lol

[hazy mural]

and then having a shammy healer

[half surge]

idc much about healer cuz i play with shammy teammate

this was pug but

still

[hazy mural]

oh ur really hurt? lemmie just splash a lil water on u

[rustic viper]

at least ull die clean

look at the bright side

[hazy mural]

or look like u wet urself

[half surge]

i mean... rogue was clearly weak

[untold glacier]

hey team, just wondering - am i missing soemthing whjen it comes to our tier - is our 4set useless in M+ as we dont use maul etc?

[half surge]

we could have +2 it

+2 the 18 imagine

[rustic viper]

cant

[still locust]

You can CHOOSE to not use maul

It's only one of our 6 builds that doesn't use it at all

[untold glacier]

this is a guard in a 20 AA, using 4set and not rpessiong maul

[still locust]

But yes, for that build 4p doesn't have value. But there's not really anything you can replace it with so don't overthink it

[still locust]

Yeah it's a popular build because it's fully brain-off

[untold glacier]

ah ok, so the stats are kinda what we are after, more than the 4set in m+?

for this build

[still locust]

Well stats don't matter that much for us

All 4 secondary stats are good in their own way

[rustic viper]

this looks so weird

[quick schooner]

Does anyone have a spreadsheet of what kind of dispells, ccs, or where stuff like fear removal in emergency can help? And overall where we as bears with no apex talents can swap some in druid tree that can help with each key?

[hazy mural]

https://www.method.gg/guides/dungeons/pit-of-saron

can use this site for knowing what utility to bring

[quick schooner]

Thaaanks! Will make my own based on that 😄 was hoping someone somewhere created like all dungeons Excel to include all in one place. Thanks, will help a lot anyways ❤️ im starting to tank higher keys like 17/18s and for now im playing ofc as bear with war so the rest i want to fill with proper classes so we will have easier time

[eternal spoke]

Heyo guys! I need some help with raiding. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/55425363 These are my logs. I am having huge trouble with logs on mythic... My group isn't the best, but i think i must be much better, even more compared to my performance in HC. Can someone pls help with that?

[rustic viper]

so what makes pressing mf over mangle good? the cd reduction of lb?

[still locust]

That's the idea

But is it an actual gain?

Very circumstancial and frankly debatable

[rustic viper]

I just cant force myself not to press mangle

damn

[still locust]

But the uptime from playing "correctly" and playing thrash MF spam is like 45% uptime vs. 60-65% uptime

And that's assuming you press it on CD, even if a pack has 5% health left

Which is definitely not good use of the CDR

[still locust]

Good news! Just press mangle

If nothing else it's good for rage which is higher average ironfur stack count

[rustic viper]

I am trying out EC keys build, so its still fine to press mangle in it right

[still locust]

Yes

[rustic viper]

sick

[still locust]

The dreamgrove.gg builds all have soul of the forest

Last I checked anyway

Because frankly not picking that and not picking mangle is only useful if you want to be lazy

And definitely just contributes to bad muscle memory for when they inevitably fix this specific build

[rustic viper]

I think my muscle memory is just used to mangle atp

kek

[brave delta]

And more cooldown reduction on ursoc.

[tall basin]

mucle memory is really weird...
if i die as tank insta "wtf heal?" XD
and then i have to say: "wuuups my bad i'm boosted not your fault XD"

[rustic viper]

fr, when I die my mucle memory causes me to alt f4 and open up the uninstall window

[tall basin]

https://tenor.com/view/mickey-house-hot-dog-hot-dog-dance-gif-10040635591869939187

you can watch this after alt +f4 for relaxing

XD

[rustic viper]

this makes me angry for whatever reason

https://tenor.com/view/meme-angry-punho-fechado-de-gif-26104429

they look happy, it angers me

[tall basin]

hmmm

https://tenor.com/view/married-with-children-al-bundy-shoot-kill-current-mood-gif-16036088

so this might be something for you? XD

[olive hare]

Ironically the flexpoint for SOTF is ursols. Which might be worth it considering top push keys. But how much value are you gonna get out of ursols if you dont hit mangle. Youre not exactly drowning in rage outside of carn. Looking at the top parses' amount of mangles and avg fur count it doesnt seem like ursol does hell a lot of work.

[still locust]

Yeah idk

[lucid arrow]

if its not purple on murlok, i don't take it

simple as

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[autumn needle]

The SOTF value on bosses isn't really large enough to make this different in either direction. Even on longer bosses you're talking maybe an extra 300rage (on the high end) split over several minutes. The bare minimum 1 IF that you will be maintaining you're still getting 6% reduction out of Ursol's.

[still locust]

The alternate talent you're picking is also dirt value

So

[trim plaza]

i was about to say

xd

[elder pier]

got it
not press mangle? take ursol
press mangle? take sotf

[trim plaza]

or any other talent from middle rows

[still locust]

We have a lot of viable talents in the middle, mainly because we generally pick the strong ones

And we just have a need to pick between a bunch of equal-value mid tier talents

[shut jasper]

without kb sotf is so minor, I think outside of the highest keys where ursol's does something I'd prob just grab brambles over either tbf

[still locust]

A lot of it comes down to preference

[trim plaza]

^

[autumn needle]

The flex is ursol's so how is it dirt value? You're talking about a perma 5-10%+ magic DR

[still locust]

It sounds like you're overvalueing the strength of ursol

It's also never 10% magic DR

For the record

It caps out at 8%, 8.5% if you're lucky and they made it work with decimals (which I don't think they did)

It's between 4-ish % without ironfur up to 8% (8.5% if decimals are included) at armor cap

[autumn needle]

You're comparing a minor rage gain (in ST) to a constant 5%+ magic DR.

[still locust]

Why are you adding the "in st" thing?

Mangle is a good button regardless of target count

[autumn needle]

Because you aren't going to mangle outside of ST outside of very niche situations.

[still locust]

I definitely do

Because it's a good thing to do

I know a lot of people don't

Even in high keys

[autumn needle]

So everyone else is wrong and you are right?

[high path]

5% magic dr doesn't matter

[still locust]

That's not what I said

It obviously works for them

But if we're talking defensive value

[high path]

it's so massively unlikely to make a difference

it's never going to save you if you go up one key level

[still locust]

Higher average ironfur stack count from mangling at any mob count is significantly stronger defensively than Ursol's Warding will ever be

I have yet to see one of these no-mangle builds sit at 6 ironfur stacks at all times in combat

At which point yes, mangle loses value as a rage generator

[ashen sandal]

5% magic DR is just what my confidence needs though

[autumn needle]

That's why we're talking about it as a flex point and not a foundational talent point. I agree that neither is next level.

[high path]

i mean, regardless, UW is a talent that you take for pathing

if you need it

otherwise you ignore its existence

because it doesn't really do anything

if you don't want to press mangle ever

ig you can just not take SotF

but in that case

you take NR

if you're looking for more survivability

[autumn needle]

I still use mangle in the same situations in m+ with/without SOTF. So the comparison to me is 5%+ passive magic DR VS ~1 extra IF per minute.

Unless there is something I am missing there?

[torn depot]

mangle in aoe also has more value since you press it more often due to more gore activations

therefore more ironfurs

[vestal escarp]

is it weird to take out after the wildfire for soul?

[trim plaza]

its like.... almost nothing

[trim plaza]

u lose reinforced fur by doing that, which is why u take after the wildfire first place

[autumn needle]

Sure but with the current EC playstyle we aren't hurting for rage in AOE so not much point in sending it outside of low target situations.

[still locust]

You definitely can if you want to

[still locust]

If we're talking about being defensive, then it's not about "hurting for rage"

Defensively any ironfur stack up to 6 is very strong

[autumn needle]

It was never about pure defense. As you said, neither talent will really be a "take it or you die" choice. The real world benefits of each is what I was looking at and SOTF is only felt in very small portions of your run and it requires much more effort to reach peak value while Ursol's is providing the value with zero changes to playstyle.

[still locust]

You're again looking from a very narrow POV, which is understandable but you're providing blanket generalising statements from the POV of a single playstyle/build

[autumn needle]

Am I insane? Is there any situation where it would even be worth discussing outside of the EC build in m+?

[still locust]

There is not. I would like to add, by the way, that when you say "[soul of the forest] requires much more effort to reach peak value" that's kind of uhhhhh

A weird statement

Pressing mangle when button glows (or every 4 globals) is not "much more effort"

It's not braindead, but it's not effort

[trim plaza]

its playing bear xd

[rustic viper]

hate when I gotta press more than 0 buttons

god

autoattack focused spec when

[autumn needle]

Every mangle you don't send while you can reduces the value you are getting out of the talent.It doesn't matter that it isn't hard to do. You're losing value from a talent you have chosen if you don't DO something compared to the alternative talent where you get the benefit provided baseline for the most part.

[copper junco]

You will never catch me press mangle 🔥 thrash4life

[still locust]

And you're also losing value out of UW if you're not maxing out your IF stack count

[trim plaza]

press both, fixed

[autumn needle]

But we're talking about flex talents that don't do much so why not go for the one that requires the least amount of effort from you if the other option isn't providing a significant added value?

[copper junco]

Never

[simple isle]

Hello i got a Question, an Friend of Mine started playing Guardian, he sometimes missklicks Regrowth without the Proc in Bear Form so he Shifts automaticly into Human Form, is there any Macro or Something he could use to Prevent using the spell without the Proc?

Sry for my bad English 😅

[rustic viper]

should I even have swipe on bars

[tulip ingot]

hey all, what are you guys using for a rage bar? I want one which has a tick for iroon fur, tried twintops but bugs out alot of the time when using heart of the wild

[trim plaza]

gotta have it there just for feels

[autumn needle]

I just use the one from ACDM

[tulip ingot]

acdm?

[trim plaza]

i dont wanna be rude or bad guy but, there isnt a single talent u need effort for, forreal

[autumn needle]

Is having to press a button not more effort than having to do nothing?

[rustic viper]

dont u press buttons anyway

[trim plaza]

the thing is, mangle has been our bread and butter for years

[autumn needle]

It's a CDM editing addon. It handles all resource/CDM things. There are a few others. That's just the one I use.

[trim plaza]

so it should not take any effort anymore, ill understand new players but i fu have played bear more than these 2 weeks, u get it

[autumn needle]

Not if I don't gain something useful, no.

[tulip ingot]

cheers i shall have a gander

[rustic viper]

what

[kindred meteor]

is there a certain order to press them, they are always up at the same time

[autumn needle]

I don't know where this weird love for needlessly working extra came from. Yes I will absolutely prefer whatever option requires the least amount of effort unless the value for my effort is rewarded properly.

[rustic viper]

a fellow V for defensive

[weary rivet]

i have no idea why people confuse the ''okay'' play with ''optimal'' play here

my guy here advocating for mangle for 6 hours straight

like i dont think mangle itself wouldnt defend itself this much

just dont press mangle if you want to do damage

[red knoll]

Brother dont come in here telling experienced bears you know better than them just because you want to be lazy and not press mangle which generates rage, the core fucking mechanic for playing bear

[trim plaza]

i mean, if u dont prefer using mangle, sure its low value to get talent which focuses mangle, but saying pressing ur basic rage generator is extra work is.... interesting let me tell u xd

[weary rivet]

should we be spamming maul for single target threat since it was like that in 2004?

what kind of a backwards logic is this

mangle is no longer the play

[red knoll]

It is

[weary rivet]

thats the tuning and the truth

[red knoll]

You dont understand the spec, thats okay

[weary rivet]

holy moly

[autumn needle]

I didn't come up with any of this. This build isn't a random thing I'm trying to peddle. It's the current meta build being discussed.

[red knoll]

Yes and those meta players are not playing it optimally

[weary rivet]

can you send me your 100 logs

so i can actually listen to you

[torn depot]

by that logic just get rid of abilities and just leave single button rotation for everyone

[red knoll]

You should be pressing mangle to generate rage when needed

[autumn needle]

So everyone at the top is wrong and you are right? Do you realize how that sounds?

[red knoll]

Stop listening to fotm rerollers

[weary rivet]

thats exactly true

thats actually true

but that circumstanceü

is really rare

[red knoll]

Its not

[weary rivet]

so stop telling people to press mangle

[red knoll]

Rare at all

Lmao

[weary rivet]

please tell me the level of gameplay you currently play at because people are doing 23's with not needing to adhere to your principles of guardian ''rage gen'' gameplay

[red knoll]

It is better defensively and offensively to press mangle when it would give you another stack of ironfur, thrash is on cd, and/or youre in incarn with 3 targets

[trim plaza]

tbh if here is new bear players learning the spec, first thing u do is not to say "dont press mangle" when its one of our core buttons xd

[red knoll]

Just because the people at the top choose to play unoptimally for a slight bit of ease doesnt mean its not optimal

[trim plaza]

also to note, its only a thing with nopex build, u 100% use mangle in raid content and apex builds so ye

[half surge]

does mangle on 3 targets on incarn gives more rage?

[autumn needle]

We absolutely should have less skills for classes that are part of their core rotation. Having enough to keep people engaged is good but it can quickly go from engagement to convoluted.

[red knoll]

Its more damage

[half surge]

tbh idc much about dam during incarn as i have thrash every 2nd gcd

[weary rivet]

and i guess you cast 10 less lunar beams in the whole dungeon

the most broken button in the game atm

[red knoll]

No?

Brother lunar beam will still be there if you press mangle when its off cd

You lose maybe 1 cast of it

And gain a cast of incarnb

Lmao

[weary rivet]

every mangle is 3 seconds more lunar beam cooldown

[torn depot]

mangle casts means more incarn casts

and incarn is far more powerful than lunar beam

[red knoll]

Incarn is infinitely better than lunar beamb

[torn depot]

more incarns = more thrashes = more lunar beams

[red knoll]

In every situation

[weary rivet]

yeah like 15 second less incarn cd

[red knoll]

No?

[weary rivet]

very big

[red knoll]

You get an average of 1.5 more incarns

Per dungeon

[trim plaza]

well thats a fcking take

never have i seen people say LB is the most op button LOL

[weary rivet]

just send me ur logs where you mangle in incarn on cd

[trim plaza]

when incarn exists

[red knoll]

The youtubers are spouting it

So bad

[torn depot]

lunar beam is strong but it doesn't compare at all to incarn

[red knoll]

Brother send me your logs where you cast more lbs than me

I guarantee you you might cast 1 maybe 2 more

If that

[hazy mural]

I mean its just how it's played if ppl go for those talent setup... its like telling a new MW monk to not press SCK enough in aoe situation... gotta play how it plays and when it changes, they change with it or play worse

[red knoll]

Its not

You press mangle without sotf

In situations where you need it

[trim plaza]

but thats a playstyle point of view, not a core learning view

[red knoll]

Taking it off your bars and telling people to not press it is troll as fuck

[trim plaza]

theres a difference

[hazy mural]

looking at logs, u dont get more incarns tho... least from a pct pov

[red knoll]

Hfc has combed the thousands of bear logs

He is god

[hazy mural]

yh... most will pick up non sotf build and for em, not pr essing mangle works well unless u need that rage asap... if u wanna press mangle, gotta change the talents around to help it out

[trim plaza]

its ONE specific playstyle/build which focuses on purely trash/moonfire gameplay loop, so telling new players to not mangle is wrong

u get my point?

[autumn needle]

There is no such thing as core learning when you are talking about class specifics because blizzard tuning/changes completely shift what the "core" is from class to class.

[hazy mural]

no I think its right unless they are using a mangle build

u play the buttons that work for the build chosen

[red knoll]

There is no mangle build

You press it when you need rage

And in incarn

[half surge]

i feel like ppl who tell to not use mangle is the same ppl using murlok as trusted source of info

[trim plaza]

yes ik, but mangle is exactly the same thing than any other generator for any other tank, so its core ability for bear

[hazy mural]

eventually the build gonna change when blizz makes some tweaks, then ppl will get off bear if its no longer meta... if its meta, they gonna play whatever way is the best, or else be told it sucks to play the way they dont get a lot of juice from

but if ppl get to a point where they have lost the ability to know when to press mangle, then we are in trouble xD

[red knoll]

They already have

Cuz fucking youtubers telling them

And people in here

Telling them

To take it off bars

[half surge]

lon gstory short... press with gore proc to get more rage if u cannot be bothered to press it often

[rustic viper]

sounds criminal

https://tenor.com/view/jail-no-excuse-gif-24460693

[trim plaza]

but its fun for some people ill give that if they like this kinda playstyle, i mostly press mangle for feels so i dont fall asleep before the key even starts

[edgy merlin]

Personally I make the decision to press mf and mangle mainly depending on when I need incarn and lb

If I need incarn 2 pulls in a row -> prefer mangle to reduce incarn cd as much as possible

If I have a strict timer for LB, prefer mf (something like AA first boss I want it on tree add + barkbreaker but also when small adds pop up so like 20 second interval)

[rustic viper]

I still mostly focus on thrash mangle and mf as filler 😭

[edgy merlin]

yeah obviously thrash is always above both

but choosing between mangle and mf

[rustic viper]

old habits die hard huh

[red knoll]

I just wanna go back to normal

[half surge]

thorns of iron incarn - thrash-mangle and IF on mouse wheel

hehehehe

[brazen tinsel]

what dreamrage said is the most sensible approach

[edgy merlin]

farming crowd pummelers in gnomeregan

[brazen tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-14922675818058709477

[rustic viper]

the gulp of 87

[trim plaza]

ye its perfect explanation, sadly u scroll up and see many doesnt get the differences and doesnt even wanna try to understand

[fallen robin]

No this function was disabled by Blizzard.

Can use an addon or console command to disable autounshift outside of combat, but this will also add an extra step shifting to Travel Form.

[edgy merlin]

somehow people want either never press button or always press button

[rustic viper]

so what I hear is, I prio swipe and use maul as filler, thrash mangle and mf off the bars

[brazen tinsel]

as god intended

[red knoll]

No no, lb is the most op button ever made

Just spam mf and lb

[rustic viper]

wait ur right

so I press lb, then wait till its off cd

I press nothing until it is

[red knoll]

No u press mf

To reduce its cd

But only mf

[rustic viper]

but lb more important

I dont understand?

[red knoll]

U right

No need to complicate things

[brazen tinsel]

you guys are pretty cringe quite often cant lie

[rustic viper]

I just put lb in all hotkeys

easy +20's

[hazy mural]

all coems down to how much help it is to be in the middle... if its a huuuge increase then ppl will do both as the situation warrants, but it dosent seem to be a huge help so taking 1 side works

[rustic viper]

the brain rot must flow

[red knoll]

There was a guy a few minutes ago that said lb was the most op button in the game

[rustic viper]

we should give lb to all specs then

[trim plaza]

LOL

[pure shard]

just thrash

keep on thrashing

[stiff phoenix]

Hey y’all recent reroller from resto, bonus roll for no myth raid is it best to just send algethar til I get a wep?

[trim plaza]

spire also good

2 nice trinkets for bear

and weapon ofc

[hazy mural]

WF 24

[hazy mural]

whats ur gear like? do u have any myth stuff atm?

[fathom walrus]

Big! With andy on the 2pc

[hazy mural]

had like a min and half left too

wonder what other dungeons can be 24 atm

[trim plaza]

Pit?

[hazy mural]

MC

[trim plaza]

ohh mc interesting

im still surprised how balanced all dungeon levels are, lets go back to was it DF s1 where shadowmoon burial grounds were like 3 levels higher than other dungeons

[hazy mural]

NPX looks likely

AA probs the odd one out

but they buffed it twice xD

Pit 24 deffo getting done too

[stiff phoenix]

This is only pic I have on phone soz for quality. I have a 298 resto wep so if I get one it’s free to upgrade.

[hazy mural]

and maybe maaaybe a few 25s later on when .7 has settled down

[hazy mural]

AA 100 pct then

u need a wep and u have good other pieces

a 2nd trinket would also be nice

[stiff phoenix]

Trinket would be nice too since I got healer trink

Yeah

[hazy mural]

box works if u get it, but its annoying to use

[trim plaza]

and its still hella hard time wise

[stiff phoenix]

Although heard the channeling is annoying?

Yeah

Same page haha

Thanks mate

[hazy mural]

same braincell

[hazy mural]

❤️

[hazy mural]

they did AA 22 in 28 mins

so that means a 24 is technically possible

I miss TGP... MDI is so boring

I love seeing em try to beat the timer more

[trim plaza]

MDI is fun when u see cool techs, right now feels like blizz doesnt want that

also after few weekends, Mandatory just seems to be in their own level

[rustic viper]

makes me blood boil that trinket

[hazy mural]

turns u into a blood dk?

[rustic viper]

...yes

[forest flume]

I agree, but im sure there are people who hate watching teams just chain deplete on stream as well

[hazy mural]

its just so boring cause 1 side cleasrly gonna win and no tech, like u said... just big pulls

yh... oh they wiped? gg

[tulip ingot]

Do i need to take fluid form if im only changing when using heart of the wild?

[hazy mural]

its a personal option... theres also a bug where u can use it to get more rage in bearform I believe

[steel wharf]

Heyo i am new guardian, my main is Brew and i was wondering, why are some high M+ palyers only playing 2-Set, is the 4-Set not worth worser stats?

[brittle dome]

Seeing logs of bears not using mangle at all in M+, is this likely to change with a patch?

[trim plaza]

time will tell

[quaint pond]

they'll try to address it prolly 12.1 along with apex, but who knows if they'll be successful

[rustic kestrel]

The fix is so obvious id hope they could

But its blizzard so

[quaint pond]

yeah, not making apex too strong and then not fixing that by making thrash too strong were both obvious too but we got what we got

[compact briar]

you dnt press maul and 4p buffs only it

[red knoll]

I dont understand dropping it

[shut jasper]

yeah they're going to turn apex into ToI

[red knoll]

You're not gaining any meaningful stats by dropping it

[trim plaza]

wouldnt even be surprised at this point

bring TnC and vicious cycle back that would go so hard

[tawdry python]

swipe

[rustic viper]

u save the precious flux charges

surely

[midnight orchid]

thoughts on using the FR shield talent? I feel like it's let me cycle between just FR and barkskin during some trash packs and boss fights (like emberdawn and derelict duo) without blowing a charge (or both) of SI before i have a true "oh shit" moment and need to pop it.

[brazen tinsel]

it's a very good talent

[red knoll]

Most people underuse SI

You have 2 charges

One should be used pretty aggressively

[wraith rover]

Did a search and only found one section discussing this issue but it wasn't definite since it was right after the last patch. If doing the two-button EC build, can I drop the 4-set? I have pieces with better stat profiles than the set pieces. Would still rock the 2-set bonus though. Thanks.

[red knoll]

Wym better stats?

I still dont understand what people mean when they say better stats

We like all stats

[midnight orchid]

because alot of people doing the highest keys are running more haste than anything, so people are immediately thinking "haste is better".

[red knoll]

Theres haste on alot of our tier

Wdt

Having 50 more haste isnt going to make a significant difference

The only offtier piece we really want over tier is the lura helm

And not many people have access to that on myth tier

[forest flume]

been using it, it seems to do lots of work for me, i like it

[red knoll]

The fr talent is very specificly good as a tank buster shield

Its pretty mediocre otherwise

Thats why its a flex talent

[hazy mural]

its great for the moments u dont have LB and will be taking quite a bit of dam, and can prevent globals

[forest flume]

this was my healing in a 19 windrunner, i fall asleep playing the no-apex build so im not playing optimally but it does a fair amount

[hazy mural]

19 pit xD

[red knoll]

You have to factor in how much overhealing its going to cause in a regular key tho

Cuz ur healer is going to just be passively healing you as well as your own talents

Its only optimal if you need it to survive a mechanic

[midnight orchid]

LB?

oh, lunar beam. just say that, tf

[oblique moat]

then why didn't you just say frenzied regeneration

[hazy mural]

too many letters

[hazy mural]

havnt u seen a hypocrite before?

[oblique moat]

[forest flume]

can't wait for LD

||Lunar Devastation||

[violet holly]

Lunar Deez

[forest flume]

can't wait to see what thye come up with for the new apex, hopefully its part of the rotation, things like "each time you press thrash/mangle, your next maul/raze does % more damage, up to X" etc, and the ultimate node "At maximum stacks, gain Ironfur after pressing maul/raze"

[violet holly]

each time you press ironfur it does dmg 💀

[forest flume]

get out

now.

[violet holly]

hope for the best

expect the worst

[forest flume]

i will say ppal feels so good to play right now, and I suspect part of it is I can spam the living out of sotr

spam all the buttons

[rustic kestrel]

do you have the mental capacity to hit all those buttons and still tank the key

doesnt seem possible

[forest flume]

I do, my brain has been so idle ever since I started playing the no-apex build on my main

[hazy mural]

each time u press thrash, ur next IF costs half the rage and automatically uses a Raze

[forest flume]

theres ton of energy for other things

[rustic kestrel]

yeah but i think ur lying

if you have to press more than 2 buttons, you cant possibly remember a route

[glass grove]

I'm trying to figure out why i feel squishy on my guardian. I try to use barkskin/SI on pull. I'm not falling over but I feel like I'm randomly getting chunked mid pull more than I did on brew. Not high keys.

here's logs from a 14 MGT timed: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DQWf8bNgZrYqxHKw?type=damage-done&fight=12&source=594

I know i'm not using SR enough for the point to be worth it. Anything else pop out to anyone

[violet holly]

What if there was a tank that could just spam abilities

[rustic kestrel]

i think your log is set to private

[forest flume]

was gonna say, private log ya

[glass grove]

oh oops well nevermind lol

How do i change that?

[forest flume]

I ran a 16 MGT on my paladin I think I was at 270 this week, it honestly felt good. Except the tank buster on the big voidwalkers, that sucked

[rustic kestrel]

near the upper right select the dropdown where it says private/ press public

[glass grove]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DQWf8bNgZrYqxHKw?type=damage-done&fight=12&source=594

think i did it

[hazy mural]

just LOH it!

and bubble works too, right?

[rustic kestrel]

yeah its public now

[shut jasper]

sotr actually having a good animation and sound carries it

because it's legitimately not much different from last expansion IF spam with ToI

[forest flume]

I did a 13m divine toll in that dungeon

it was lovely

[shut jasper]

did less st damage per press even

[forest flume]

ofc it was all padding on the little adds, but still, lol

[forest flume]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DQWf8bNgZrYqxHKw?type=damage-taken&fight=12&source=594&ability=1&sourcebuffs=-192081

that's all the melees you took without ironfur up

[glass grove]

oh wow 7m dmg lol

[forest flume]

the damage is not the important part becausee you would have taken damage anyway WITH if

but the number of hits is quite high

[rustic kestrel]

You are wasting a fuuuuuckton of rage

you need to spend

[forest flume]

Yeah that is a lot of wasted rage, spend on ironfur as much as you can if playing the build you're playing

[hazy mural]

proud of me?

[glass grove]

awesome info thank you

[rustic kestrel]

no

[forest flume]

damn in my 19WS, I suck

[hazy mural]

damn asian dads

wants minus wasted