balance

[delicate perch]

I invite @vital hound to a group then challenge him to a duel

oce is also a tip what you want

you get some animals that try rip you off but you just ignore them (after saying some VERY kind words)

[digital berry]

I crafted weapon and tipped 2k idgaf

its all bots anyway

[vital hound]

size up mate

[pseudo merlin]

real

[vital hound]

ur fucked

[delicate perch]

gg

[digital berry]

just /2 NEED [ LINK ITEM ]

you get spammed by bots

[pseudo merlin]

yup

you get like 40 whispers

[vital hound]

pvp ring as well

idek

[modest wagon]

how do I sim what to craft, just type in a bunch of crafted items into Top Gear?

or can I just send my lowest ilvl slot or some shit im over it

[jolly delta]

Yes basically

[modest wagon]

or wait there seems to be a section in droptimizer, Epic Profession Items

[digital berry]

you can use that but you need to know how to read the results a little bit

cause if you for example have a shitty ring it will ofc tell you that's the besst thing to craft but you can easily farm a better ring up, and its kinda a waste for myth crests to be crafting rings at this time

[modest wagon]

ah

[hybrid ermine]

Hey, what you would guys pick for balance from vault: 272 emberwing feather, or 272 helmet/tier just for stats? Not sure if ember is good enough, or if i should just hold out for vaelgor later

[digital berry]

helm for sure unless you have a dogshit trinket

[hybrid ermine]

have gaze, but crucible champion as 2nd trinket

[modest wagon]

myth feather literally lost me 500 dps over a dog champ trinket on sim so

[digital berry]

id take tier helm and throw some myth crests at it

just for good measure

[hybrid ermine]

Thx bud. I was thinking the same

[arctic ruin]

That crucible trinket too op. I finally replaced it with a champ gaze from time walking weekly

[lucid olive]

better to do in top gear than droptimizer

with top gear you can click the + on the item to recraft diff stats and add embellishments

last i checked you cant add embellishments in droptimizer

[digital berry]

ope i done did forget about that

[ebon pulsar]

On Imperator Az do you guys ST the boss and big adds (when they unshield) and just starfall and sunfire the small groups of adds when they come out? Or should I do be doing something different to do more damage and parse higher?

[digital berry]

are you on farm

or prog

[lucid olive]

what do you like better

parm or frog?

[digital berry]

i love parm bro

[charred field]

is there any stat breakpoint im tryna hit on boomy or just sim it and good to go

[maiden pasture]

sim

[ebon pulsar]

it's prog

[digital berry]

does your group need more add dmg

if so, starfall, if not, starsurge

parsing on prog if youre team is struggling to kill shit is unfortunately not smth people will recommend you do

[grizzled nimbus]

Why does it feel so hard to get into m+ groups as boomie

[dense steeple]

because youre behind the curve

[jolly delta]

because there's space for only one druid and he's resto

[viral hound]

Having a hard time finding a grp as balance aswell. Balance feels quite weak this season or is just me?

[jolly delta]

Just you

[viral hound]

Damn, might do something wrong then

[lucid olive]

i blast every key

[viral hound]

Playing keeper of the grove or elunes chosen?

[maiden pasture]

why dont u blast in raid

minigame main?

[lucid olive]

yeah and cap at 10s ez

[lofty depot]

hmm

[earnest sage]

hey guys, after incarnation whats the bigger damage output, by pressing starfire or wrath

consider bl aswell

[lofty depot]

its neutral in st

[earnest sage]

okay merci

cause I'm used to spamming wrath :D

[lucid olive]

i dont think thats what he asked

[delicate perch]

based

[lucid olive]

only leveled a druid to max so far

raid log from week 2

[frozen osprey]

hey guys is here anyone can help me on understanding my low damage? i got a log from a key i think i played kinda at my best
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6zRZc283A7j9Qf1C?fight=10&type=damage-done

[lofty depot]

get over it

[lucid olive]

man EC is surely something else

theres a few times you enter eclipse with low AP and insta starfire

should use spenders as your first cast in incarn or eclipse

[lofty depot]

smh foe in incarn

[lucid olive]

yeah its just getting a bit more consistent at the sequencing when you have both FoE and Incarn ready

you want to FoE first and then press Incarn right at the end of the global, like you would with Treants in Keeper

[frozen osprey]

@lofty depot can u help me by any chance?

[normal pilot]

so many surges way better than silly wrath spam keeper

[lucid olive]

yeah it feels good for the first couple of sends and then youre casting 2 second starfires

[lofty depot]

im starting raid

[lucid olive]

values raid over educating the masses

you changed

[frozen osprey]

thanks anyways mate

[lofty depot]

yea when u raid at 11pm vs 7pm

[frozen osprey]

If anyone has a little time do dedicate i'm pretty new to the spec so probably there are a lot of mistakes!

[stoic fog]

is there anyway to see just one person's timeline in lorrggs.io

[jolly delta]

that's called warcraftlogs

[loud kettle]

just click their name

sends you to the log

[jolly delta]

You're casting 7 moonfires on pool and 10 moonfires a min later

I don't remember there being 34 mobs in the first two pulls

That said, I'm on the phone so it's hard to properly check, and in general a m+ log is never going to paint the full picture

At a first glance it seems roughly fine, some errors here and there but that's bound to happen

A lot of the damage variance comes from properly timing your CDs on the correct packs

Your bosses could've been way better

You have a lot of downtime

Eclipse management is also a bit off, sometimes you cast foe without eclipse

[frozen osprey]

Yeah the FoE in or out of eclipses is a bit confusing for me

But 97k overall seems a little under am I right?

[jolly delta]

Correct

[frozen osprey]

Which is a dps to aim

Also the eclipses must be done in full AP always or are there times where u press without AP
And also for m+ are you ever going to press wrath?

[junior stirrup]

you press wrath in single target when not in eclipse but tbh i dont think that makes a huuuge difference compared to just pressing starfire

[jolly delta]

No such thing, since it depends on the route, the dungeon etc, but probably 120/130k

[frozen osprey]

I got also raid logs if it don’t bother you can I send in DM maybe

[jolly delta]

I'm going to sleep now so I'd encourage you to send them here and see if someone else is available

[jolly delta]

I also confirm what Buckie said

Minus the last part since I am not entirely sure on what the dps loss is

(If I had to guess I would also say it's minimal but)

[frozen osprey]

Thanks a lot man appriciated

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fnpkgcKyFPCXTbLQ?boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2&source=30
here are the logs from raid if anyone is willing to help I would appreciate a lot.

[zealous loom]

Hello Guys!

Question about Starlord.

I have problems managing that because I try to use as much Astral Power when I'm inside an Eclipse.
Should I save my Astral Power so when my Eclipse Buffs falls rebuild the Starlord's stacks as fast as possible?

[craggy sonnet]

your goal should be to make sure you can instantly pump out 3 spenders at the start of an eclipse

you can bank a little ap at the end of your running eclipse to get into the next one quicker

though thats usually not worth to do during incarn .. so the eclipse directly after incarn might be a bit scuffed

and you have 5s of starlord remaining after a normal ecl to continue building a bit more ap

[modest wagon]

so cosmos phase 1, full send on all 3 adds, pop cooldowns when an add gets big stacks, parse 100 p1???

[junior stirrup]

anecdotally and non scientifically i have done similar dungeons both ways and found little difference but again this is not like for like comparison

you spend a small amount of time out of eclipse on ST in lower keys realistically that it doesnt matter much if its gonna overload ur brain

bigger fish to fry and all that

last thing to worry about kinda thing i would imagine

[delicate perch]

Bro gets half of fame world 893 and changes.. not surprised just disappointed

[lucid olive]

brutal

[zealous loom]

Thank you!

Also I have another question.

I'm seeing a lot of top parsers whats looks like overlapping Eclipses with Force of Nature + Incarn. Is that ok or I am reading this report wrong. Also this is the link to the full report: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cjJHYR3nrQy6fzkM?fight=32&type=auras&source=91&view=timeline

[craggy sonnet]

incarn gives you both eclipse buffs

[lofty depot]

that just gives both eclipses

he does however do it here

that thats just getting eclipse on cd, using his fires buff

didnt use instant wrath

smh

[zealous loom]

lmao

aight so, in short. There is no benefit in overlapping a regular eclipse with FoN and Incarn, I am right?

[craggy sonnet]

not like it does bonus dmg

[lofty depot]

gives asp

[dull dust]

ineffiecent sunfires

-100 aura

[craggy sonnet]

surely let trees moonfire at this point as well

[dull dust]

i guess its cosmos

mabey hes triple dotting in current year

[vital hound]

@lofty depot rising

[lofty depot]

we grinding this weekend surely

[safe veldt]

Can anyone explain to me how New moon works properly?

[icy mist]

hi gamers, do I incarn twice in a row or do I stagger it with an eclipse?

[safe veldt]

Ive tried researching online - but I just wanted to make sure I know how exactly to proc it

[icy mist]

on pull

[lofty depot]

press it

[safe veldt]

I believe - stagger would be best?

[lofty depot]

no build uses it tho

[safe veldt]

OH i see it

im stupid

LOL

Im so torn between burst dmg from keeper or running elune's

in mythics ... @lofty depot any suggestion or help would be amazing

[lofty depot]

meh, ive played both. keeper more fun but more work

[safe veldt]

Are there builds for both that are far superior to others?

Cause I find so many different ones on each of the main sites

[lofty depot]

theres a bunch of talents that are interchangable

theres builds in all the guides tho

[safe veldt]

ty

[digital berry]

If I have one of the two tier set rings in hero track and the other is champ, if I drop the same one I already have in hero track will I be able to trade it ?

[lofty depot]

yes

[delicate perch]

trade me the crit one

[kindred pine]

Can someone log review this run for me and tell me if I'm missing something obvious on terms of DPS rotation or talents 😅? I want to squeeze more out of the spec but don't know how

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VZ4pYmcJhyN93CBv?fight=38&type=damage-done

[dense steeple]

@lofty depot had chim at 400k hp before we wiped, with 2 dead our entire burn

as long as we dont full int

[lofty depot]

rip

[dense steeple]

we won

bad player alert

[glacial steeple]

I had a question about Umbral Embrace, are you saving eclipse to use with a proc to try and line it up or just using it as incidental damage during?

Like is it worth using over Fury of Elune?

[digital berry]

Unless you’re sitting on 2/2 charges, not using eclipse right away is fine but I don’t believe it make sense to actively play around Umbral embrace

[dense steeple]

im pretty sure thats a @lucid olive question

i assume incidental though

[lucid olive]

nah you don't really consider umbral embrace much when entering eclipse

but it usually does kind of proc outside of eclipse when you're pooling for your next eclipse/ca

you should dump AP at the end of eclipse and then cast Wrath a bunch of times and reapply dots as you're pooling so you can do 3 spenders in a row for your apex talent/starlord/harmony of the heavens

but sometimes you might want to hold on to some AP at the end of Eclipse in case you have to move for a mechanic coming or something

[lofty depot]

BOOMKIN LAST BOSS

HOLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

LORGOKS WISH

[dense steeple]

BIRD ON LURA?

[glacial steeple]

YOOOOO

[red nymph]

its a fluke

[stoic fog]

is it ToL first and then reforestation or th eother way around?

i alway forget

[red nymph]

ill give it 73 pulls max

wait nvm. its the vers buff

[lofty depot]

MMHM MMHM

[lucid olive]

gg he pressed hearthstone

[delicate perch]

all planned out

[glacial steeple]

Devestating

Devastating even

[red nymph]

who is their boomy player?

[delicate perch]

it's @drifting nova

[red nymph]

world first EC would put doubters in a coma

[lucid olive]

liquid logged moonkin right before break to increase the "time spent in race to world first" stat

then goop turned off stream and hearthed gg

[pliant quiver]

If you still have a Starlord running should you send another Eclipse or should you wait?

[red nymph]

HOLD there are TWO druids in the group

this would prove that boomy deserves to be there and isnt just a vers boof

nvm its bear/guardian

back to the bench

[fair pasture]

got this from weekly quest, any way to do shadow dmg to get the proc?

[dense steeple]

yeah but you wont like it

so its a dps loss too

so i would just ignore

some trinkets

[lucid olive]

think it procs off the nexus point rings

[drowsy basin]

I think there is a weapon embellishment that does shadow but its probably not great.

[orchid fox]

is there a way to sim the 2h weapon with the embelishment on it? i dont see an optioon for the embellishment

[paper isle]

maisara trinket procs it, doesnt sim too bad https://www.wowhead.com/item=250223/soulcatchers-charm

[fair pasture]

i see i see

thanks

[warm quest]

Are rets doing kinda OP damage in the keys you guys are doing or am I just imagining it

[wild dune]

ret is pretty nuts rn.

especially in piss keys

[pseudo merlin]

so happy addons are gone

weakauras that solve mechanics for you are so stupid

so glad they removed them from the game

@lucid olive arent you happy we're playing in a post weakaura world

[lucid olive]

yeah its amazing

was told to update my nsrt meekaura today

[pseudo merlin]

[red nymph]

I was wondering what was going to happen to the weak aura devs after WA removal. turns out, they just make addons instead

[pseudo merlin]

they make TLeakauras now

[lofty depot]

well the weakaura devs stopped

[night oriole]

devs of auras, not devs of the weakauras addon

[dense steeple]

yeah the addon devs just got hired by liquid and echo

[meager storm]

[pseudo merlin]

dumbest boss mechanic in history

Perfectly execute 15 interrupts in a row spread out over 3 targets with a 1.5sec cast time

GO!

we dont want you to use weakauras btw

oh also the targets rotate quickly

very hard to target

mouseovers are useless

they share a name so you can't do anything with that

[red nymph]

caverns is my last 12 and im DREADING it

[dense steeple]

Just do a caverns 13

[red nymph]

i will not be in that dungeon i single second longer or higher than i need to be

[digital berry]

dont even need to step foor in there if you dont want to

[red nymph]

need to do it on 12

[dense steeple]

Why

[digital berry]

damn minigamers

[red nymph]

resil

[dense steeple]

Why do you need resil

[red nymph]

content completion

[dense steeple]

So youre going to do the 12, get resil. Then what

You'll just do 12s every week of any other dungeon?

[red nymph]

ill have competed the content

[dense steeple]

You know you can get resil 13 too

[red nymph]

unlocks at 12

i feel like youre being overly dumb rn

[dense steeple]

No

Youre being overly "this has to get done"

[delicate perch]

do not make me agree with soma man

please

[meager storm]

[dense steeple]

The point of resil 12s is to make the push to resil 13s easier, and so forth

If youre not planning to keep pushing

You DONT need resil 12

[red nymph]

im fine with pushing other keys past 12

i just hate MC

cause its terrible

[delicate perch]

there is no way any 12 is difficult man

lock in

[red nymph]

its not that its difficult

the dungeon is terrible

[dense steeple]

Worst player in my guild pushed 3100 io this week

[delicate perch]

you're 3100?

[dense steeple]

Just so he can boost 10s for his weekly keys

[delicate perch]

[dense steeple]

Nice meme!

[delicate perch]

[dense steeple]

Def walked into it

But yeah, if youre not trying to push title shit, you DONT need resil 12. You WANT resil 12. And if you want it. Lock in. You're already 7/8 dome 12s

But dont do it under the guise of "I completed the content"

[red nymph]

no i need it. its content and i want to finish the content

[dense steeple]

Bad motivator

You cant finish m+

Thats the point

[harsh herald]

I run 12's because I don't like dealing with xalatath mechanics

[dense steeple]

Lock in king.

[red nymph]

it is if the content i want to finish is unlocking resil

[delicate perch]

what if doing a 13 is easier because the players are slightly better

[meager storm]

great game man

[dull dust]

double the grippers

[delicate perch]

aalllleerriiaa WWiinnddrruunnnneerr

[polar leaf]

sup guys, is there a soft cap on haste for balance? or how much haste is enough to have before you stack full mastery or go more crit? can somebody give me some examples ! ty

[delicate perch]

Whatever the robot says

[lofty depot]

There's no number u look for,.u also don't stack it on a priority like that

[snow elm]

Umbral embraces should be able to be usable when not in eclipse

Feels bad to get one when I don’t have any eclipse up soon DX

[polar leaf]

you mean the raidbot simulator? 😛

how accurate is the sim

[delicate perch]

usually pretty accurate assuming you are doing things correctly

if something seems sus link it and someone will roast you help you fix it

[meager storm]

when they changed eclipse they should have at least 1.5x the effects on the talents that only work during eclipse

[polar leaf]

im debating on this- i see many people using [Crucible of Erratic Energies] but according to the sim [Glorious Crusader's Keepsake] is better

[meager storm]

u just do whatever the sim says, it gives u the best combo with all the gear u have on

[polar leaf]

aiit cool ty

[meager storm]

np

[rotund wing]

Hi, im looking for some boomkin streamers, either on YouTube or Twitch, any sudgestions?

[weak bison]

https://youtube.com/@naguura?si=_-SkqJkEW3xvI0rM

[jolly delta]

on god all these bosses seem designed by an AI or something

belor being a 1.5m fight is so weird

[round field]

https://www.twitch.tv/dwilkz

[vital swift]

world first raider

[frozen osprey]

Hey guys if anyone wants to help yday no one had time so i etry now this are my logs from raid as i'm struggling w playing boomie any advice/suggestion would be really appriciated
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fnpkgcKyFPCXTbLQ?boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2&source=30

[vital swift]

this is hc?

[frozen osprey]

yeah

[vital swift]

i looked up your timeline on dragons boss, heres what i found:
convoke suxx balls on this boss, also you dont burst right away on pull. if you wanna deal big dam on this boss you press your cds on 0.30 and 1.00 and blast adds. you can check exact timings ppl use on lorrgs.io

also you want to send 3 surges after you cast CA, and use convoke afterwards

so you wont overcap on AP

also you wanna put your dots on both of dragons to deal massive damage to them simultaneously

[jolly delta]

I'll take a look in a bit

[jolly delta]

ChatGPT ahh sentence

[meager storm]

that guy plays hunter

fake boomy

[royal zenith]

[vital swift]

чВ

[royal zenith]

yday somebody ripped the "starfall is outrageously effective on small adds!"

[vital swift]

english is not my mother language, i do what i can

[round field]

does he actually?

[royal zenith]

dw about it

[delicate perch]

Massive damage instantly! and honestly? that's growth. 👍 ⭐

[royal zenith]

you do you

vinter's designs are all AI generated too

[vital swift]

[jolly delta]

that's cap

[frozen osprey]

thanks man

[jolly delta]

they're 30% ai, 50% mine and 20% my gf's

can't do much when robot is better than me

can only concede

[frozen osprey]

thank you

[royal zenith]

can I meet your gf?

jk..

[jolly delta]

ahh uhhh she goes to another school.....

you can't...

[royal zenith]

[drifting nova]

we dont want the vast majority of you to use weakauras* ftfy

[dusky axle]

hi guys, i simmed my boomkin and the DPS is pretty bad, just wondering is there anything im doing wrong, gear wise?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pbgJTnUEhxq7xB6LeYehcj

[sharp cairn]

121 is not bad?

Or 122*

[dusky axle]

oh wait really?

[royal zenith]

its 5T

so yeah, pretty bad

but also zero buffs

and target dummy so yeah

[sharp cairn]

I mean, ive been off for almost 2 weeks so im a bit behind but if you pull 120k is that considered bad ST damage now?

[drifting nova]

never tried a non st sim, wonder what mine is at

[dusky axle]

yeah... my friend's warlock got 150 i think so i'm just wondering

[drifting nova]

what fight style is it

[dusky axle]

i think i got my gear right too but idk

[drifting nova]

[sharp cairn]

Oh its aoe

[thin sky]

Is there a fight-length where Locus-Walker's Ribbon becomes better than Gift of the Alnseer? On the 5-min sims, Gift always wins.

[dusky axle]

target dummy

maybe wrong trinkets ?

[royal zenith]

nah you're just very low ilvl and comparing it to a warlock

[drifting nova]

[royal zenith]

you're also doing a 5 minute sustained aoe sim

which obviously is not realistic

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uyf8xmhxMbhrPnTSx3Wjqt

this is 40 second sim

[dusky axle]

can you share the report? i wna compare as well

[dusky axle]

ah okay hm

[royal zenith]

you need to select realistic scenario's at least

[drifting nova]

select what now

[sharp cairn]

Most packs dont last long

[royal zenith]

pulls usually don't last for 5 minutes

it's like 40 seconds to maybe 1 minute

[dusky axle]

ah yes that makes sense, thank you

[royal zenith]

depending on key lvl ofc

[drifting nova]

wait nvm forgot to change spec, in silly tree spec

[dusky axle]

thanks guys, really helpful, i'll go run some dungeons and log some as well

[royal zenith]

log is best to at least analyze gameplay ye

there's also ways to generate talent combo's

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ukUShnL3a33T2x4aofPWXt

like this sim

which will increase your damage if pulls actually do last for a short while

[drifting nova]

sucks cant change talent without an import

[royal zenith]

(like playing shrooms)

[drifting nova]

and cba loggingi n

[dusky axle]

❤️ thanks guys!

[slender fractal]

how's bommy does in m+ ?

is it better than feral in high keys?

[royal zenith]

have a look for yourself https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/47?leaderboards=1&class=Druid

[nimble tangle]

forget about boomie in M+

bottom = dead

officially dead in S1

[royal zenith]

I mean, it's not that great in m+

plus resto exists

so yeah

gg's

[delicate perch]

I blast in keys

[meager storm]

my beloved

[misty tundra]

what pot y'all using?

[vital swift]

crit

[copper valve]

Which situations would you take Starweaver vs Rattle The Stars (playing as Elune's)?

[spring thorn]

Any idea which trinkets I should aim for as Boomkin for mainly m+ (95%)? Hard to evaluate, which are the best.

[jolly delta]

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium#trinkets

[lofty depot]

I'm taking starweaver regardless of the situation

[lofty depot]

Lights potential

[lofty depot]

Like 7, u can change the time on a sim and see

[thin sky]

Great, thank you!

[coarse lodge]

for pvp in BGs should I be mostly using starfall or trying to kill single targets with starsurge

[royal zenith]

best to ask that in#pvp

[copper valve]

What about Sundered Filament vs Orbit Breaker?

It seems like that node is just a vibe node

I guess as is Rattle and Starweaver

[jolly delta]

Most nodes are vibe nodes

[copper valve]

AIght 👍

Time to vibe

[lofty depot]

Probably count dependant but also I think sundered is just worse now

[slender girder]

is this usable as a boomy?

[royal zenith]

it's a trinket, and you can equip it

so yeah probably can use it

[drifting nova]

anyone know a way to store 1400 items

[lofty depot]

Assuming the cost is mana

U'll get the int passive

But he not getting the equip

[slender girder]

: ^)

[lofty depot]

Also, that tooltip is likely funny

[slender girder]

thanks for the answear

[round field]

What if it reduces surge cost by 24

And you just go brr

[mighty yew]

What are the perfect stats for boomkin this season?

for M+

what are optimal at least

[royal zenith]

a lot of intellect

it's always mastery for boomie

haste/crit w.e.

probably more haste for EC

aka sim it

[burnt yew]

Compared to last expansion, how easy is balance for m+? I've been thinking of having some kind of off spec, but I don't really know how to play caster as dps

[royal zenith]

what do you define as easy?

[burnt yew]

Well as a start

rotation

[royal zenith]

so amount of button presses?

EC can have very few buttons to press

problem in playing caster is never rotation anyway

[lofty depot]

Feel like deux has had this convo with 20 people

[burnt yew]

Well it's more like an easy opener and such. I'm not good at remember stuff like that

[royal zenith]

it's abc

[royal zenith]

[royal zenith]

you can look at some guides and determine for yourself

[lofty depot]

I'm waiting for the gamers to figure out they're doing the AOE opener wrong

[royal zenith]

if shit is easy is extremely subjective

[lofty depot]

But alas, it's an "easy opener" in context of ur spamming 1 or 2 buttons

[royal zenith]

best is to actually just play the spec/class either way

[burnt yew]

Tbh I'm one of those people who are REALLY over overthinking rotation. I spent a solid 2 days trying to figure out how to even play feral

[quiet citrus]

is there a softcap or rough % mastery we want for elune in keys. 25% atm. do i stop like 30%? then go haste.

[lofty depot]

Go sim it

[burnt yew]

But I do have decent Haste/Mastery so i guess that's probably worth something

[lofty depot]

U don't deal with stats as a priority like that

[craggy sonnet]

EC definitely less starweaver friendly than kotg

[lofty depot]

Didn't ask

Weaver is fun

[royal zenith]

what is this new influx of people thinking in stats

is boomie getting popular for m+ again

[drifting nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[lofty depot]

Seems odd when 3 classes gap it

[drifting nova]

if you arent making a macro for stats every patch

are you really living

int > mastery > crit=haste > vers

[lofty depot]

Think it's just classic andies bored of mop swapping over

[drifting nova]

mop? brother that was so last month

its tbc now

speaking of I'm still not 69

[lofty depot]

"I haven't played since SL"

[drifting nova]

yeah thats when icc was out

come on unc, keep up

[lofty depot]

Asks about stats which we didn't think about like that back then either

[royal zenith]

I dunno, been playing wow actively since like bfa 8.3 (baby)

and ever since then we used to sim

[drifting nova]

if I do the weekly timewalking quest pre 90

can I do it again at 90 or

[royal zenith]

any class has one 'main' stat, the rest is just sim it

and then you have mplussers thinking in versatility

[drifting nova]

just dodge better

clowns

[lofty depot]

"guys do I need a certain amount of vers to live"

[drifting nova]

walk into that frontal that will kill you vs how much vers do I need to survive it

[lofty depot]

"are we stacking vers to get into 18s, I keep dying"

[drifting nova]

I cant even get into 10s, its joever

missed it last week gg

no recovery

have blizz forgotten about warbanding rep

[lofty depot]

10s too easy

Everyone has gear

[drifting nova]

the big problem is no one does 9s

so like I can +3 as many 8s as I want

[lofty depot]

Can't gear alts unless u have group

[royal zenith]

pugging 10's is demonic btw

because it's so easy

[drifting nova]

knew it was a mistake not doing a 10 last week

[royal zenith]

attracts people like kekkers

[drifting nova]

[lofty depot]

Blud didn't do 1 10?

I did fucking 67

[drifting nova]

I WAS WAITING FOR FRIENDS THAT NEEVER SHOWED UP

[lofty depot]

Most of which were pugged

[drifting nova]

then didnt sleep mon night

so was going on 30hrs tuesd

[tiny nimbus]

does anybody know if pvp quest for neck/ring is still 4 weeks? Or entire chain can be done in single week?

[drifting nova]

and by that point no one would join my 9

so lowerd to 8 and still no one

then went sleep

[lofty depot]

U can do the entire chain in a week

Was just timegated

[drifting nova]

now i'm thieving 1200 lockboxes becasue..reaosns

[tiny nimbus]

great thx

[jolly delta]

bro no shit...

[lofty depot]

Lura is a literal being, she was just stating facts

[dense steeple]

Shes insulting him there btw

[drifting nova]

adopted* actually tryande's

[jolly delta]

yooo she said the thing

[drifting nova]

huh, just got thoridal. big

[obsidian fjord]

what the fuck is a thoridal

[drifting nova]

you young whippersnapper

[dense steeple]

That h as like a 5% drop rate and you just got it?

[obsidian fjord]

we are literally back at the sunweel like 20 years later

and u are farming that

[drifting nova]

ye, was bored of stealing from murlocs

so ran sunwell

thought it was alot rarer than 5-6%

[dense steeple]

No

Its one if the highest drop rate rng collectibles in the game

[obsidian fjord]

im glad i dont know this

[drifting nova]

been putting off alar for so long too, takes so long to get to netherstorm

[obsidian fjord]

who is that guy that puts his finger up with the glasses

thats who i imagined when you typed that

[steel fulcrum]

https://www.wowanalyzer.com/report/FxhqaLNB4bv2Z3gn/31-Mythic+Imperator+Averzian+-+Kill+(6:58)/13-Farmclone/standard

Roast me please. Why does my damage suck.

[dense steeple]

It wasnt an "um actually" type of statement

[obsidian fjord]

active time cancelled cast

look no further

im not sure what there is to cancel on that boss

[steel fulcrum]

Movement. Reallh

[dense steeple]

90% of the movement on that boss can be done just with wild charge

[obsidian fjord]

only movement should be from tictactoe 1->2 and u can get that in 1 wild charge and 1 starsurge, if its corner to corner u gate

[dense steeple]

Theres some slight movement during the march phase

But still mostly a wild chargeplay

The analyzer isn't terrible

But the low dps can be attributed highly to not being positioned correctly and moving too much

Im not gonna look at the whole log to find if your rotation is right or not

[obsidian fjord]

shouldn't trust advice from bad mogs anyway

[dense steeple]

We trust in the orange here

[normal geyser]

#InOrangeWeTrust

[royal zenith]

don't know if wowanalyzer is the best tool to analyze this fight

for basics, sure

[lucid olive]

What's the fight

[royal zenith]

but he also didn't press any starfall on that boss

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FxhqaLNB4bv2Z3gn/?fight=31&type=damage-done&source=13

[lucid olive]

Oh yeah

Probably only good for uptime stuff and making sure you don't lose uses of CDs, like with every fight

[lofty depot]

He's ethical

[normal geyser]

I found that was a huge issue of mine, I pressed very few starfalls. As soon as I started pressing it more during ST fight, my damage went up and so did my number of Starsurge casts

[royal zenith]

yeah people kinda need to state what they need help on preferably

[lofty depot]

Trees before incarn

[normal geyser]

Also don't use Moonfire if you're about to cast Trees, right?

[lofty depot]

These sequences happen a lot with new boomkins that h think dumping asp like this is acceptable

It's not

U often have very little asp then don't have the means to move for mechanics if needed

[royal zenith]

"but the guides say to dump asp instantly when going into eclipse!!"

[lofty depot]

Odd sequence to trees like this, then dump asp prior to your cds

[lucid olive]

Yeah more or less

[orchid fox]

Do you ever cast starfall in pure ST outside of its procs?

[normal geyser]

I do, but I don't know if that is right

[royal zenith]

accidently?

[normal geyser]

I try to get Starsurge's free casts to proc as often as possible with Starfall too

[royal zenith]

sure

based on prio list, not really

[normal geyser]

Noted

[lofty depot]

Shouldn't be casting Starfall on st unless u have a weaver proc

[lucid olive]

Not true

Press it on Weaver procs and if the vibe tells you to

The vibe proc takes prio over anything else in your rotation

[red nymph]

had me there in the first half

[lucid olive]

I urge people to throw optimal play to the sideline and just press some buttons

[steel fulcrum]

Loving the feedback boys thank you.

[lofty depot]

If I don't r1 vanguard grr

[royal zenith]

you'll be the only boomie on vanguard

wdym

[lofty depot]

Wrong

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

Yasa killed it

[royal zenith]

50% chance

[lofty depot]

3 have killed it

[royal zenith]

33%

well 25%*

[lofty depot]

Lol, we only have 2 bunters

[pseudo merlin]

real

[royal zenith]

bunta

[lofty depot]

Kinda problematic

One of our dh's has a hunter, we maybe bring him

[royal zenith]

we had people reroll specifically

good investment for birb

[lofty depot]

Maybe they nerf vanguard HP

Hunters Mark too op

[lucid olive]

nah i'll be there

[smoky hollow]

Senn's Aura of Peace is perma silencing me without me directly attacking her during her ult. Anyone know which ability might be doing this?

[lucid olive]

the light of elune procs from EC

[lofty depot]

U have funny foe talent going

[lucid olive]

or lunar bolts from entering eclipse

[smoky hollow]

bleh

[lucid olive]

The mechanic is supposed to be "casting a spell on this guy silences you" but the words "casting" and "on" have loose definitions

[smoky hollow]

incredibly frustrating at times

[lucid olive]

dont play the foe proc talent in EC

take astral insight

and then stand far enough away to not cleave the guy with lunar bolts

[lofty depot]

Assume sunseeker procs it too

[lucid olive]

not sure dont think i played that

[smoky hollow]

ty ty, Mr. Slop <3

[lofty depot]

Probably should be goldrinn

Or cats

[hot cloud]

How do we sim for m+? dngslice or patchwork 5 mobs?

[lucid olive]

read FAQ in #1473018731687841853 or Compendium

[lofty depot]

U don't cuz simming m+ is cringe

[steel fulcrum]

That was a..... Mistake

[lofty depot]

Yea ik

That's why I pointed it out

[steel fulcrum]

Appreciate the help. There's a lot of fuckery with my binds and getting all the stuff off that's not on a GCD. Guess I need better macros or binds. My movement is ass cheeks. We definitely could utilize gate more on that fight

[lofty depot]

I mean.... Most people just macro shit to incarn

That's not the case with that picture

U pressed ur actual buttons wrong

[royal zenith]

okay that last boss looks pretty insane

[copper valve]

When you say vibe, do you mean if the context makes sense to use Starfall in that situation?

Or is that sarcastic and I'm just bad at reading into it?

[lucid olive]

no

it's like 50/50 sarcastic I guess

I think people get too hung up on constantly pressing the "right" buttons

and often don't realize that someone pressing the wrong buttons with higher casting uptime will still do more damage than someone pressing the "right" buttons with gaps in their casts

but I also think people beat themselves up too much for not doing enough damage or whatever and don't consider that WoW is just a game

[lofty depot]

Weak mind

If ur not first ur last

[lucid olive]

It's also why I often just tell people who ask about talents to just pick what fits the vibe

It's incredibly hard to give objective advice about what talents you should play, especially when the last like 3 points in the spec tree can be spent on whatever

[lofty depot]

It gets weirder in bosses like vaelgor

If u 3 tank with 2 blood dks vs 1

U'll have vastly different outcomes

Bring a rogue or not, bring multiple dev dhs

[lucid olive]

yeah less mass grips is more starfall dam

more mass grips is more mushroom dam

[lofty depot]

This is all them padding faster than u can

[lucid olive]

Anyway, with talent builds you usually have like 4-5 builds identified by their core talents, but people get hung up on like the smaller choices at the end of the talent selections too much when those choices don't really matter that much

[dire osprey]

the trick is to aim the fear into the padders

[lofty depot]

New tech new tech

Write that down

[lucid olive]

doesn't work

the padders have tremor totem

[dire osprey]

[drifting nova]

you what

[copper valve]

Yeah I won't lie it was a bit weird seeing the talents not really having significant impact outside of the core ones

[lofty depot]

Welcome to boomkin where most of those shitter talents are within 0.3% and u'll gain more by playing better

[copper valve]

Very true

That's nice though because now I can just vibe with whatever

[drifting nova]

ok so active shroom is good?

[lucid olive]

yeah you can play active shrooms

[drifting nova]

[lucid olive]

really good on dragons, good in m+ too

[drifting nova]

I already dont do dam

dont bait

my popcorn burned itself wtf

[lucid olive]

i think the only talents that are actually untakeable are sculpt the stars and elunes challenge

[lucid olive]

active shrooms goodge

[copper valve]

That -2 second CD is a bit wtf

[drifting nova]

but you can cooldown slop

this just more slop

I do semi alright boss dam

but aoe is booty

[lucid olive]

yeah I think if Sculpt the Stars ever gets taken it's an APL issue

[drifting nova]

idk

are we a st class now

what would it need to be to be taken

2/30 is not it

[lofty depot]

Yea

[drifting nova]

just swap that or swap others too

its bait

I know it is

but I will do it for science

[copper valve]

Oh, that reminds me, what's the consensus on the upcoming changes to Meteorites?

[drifting nova]

the what

[dire osprey]

didnt think of that........

[drifting nova]

I've now stolen 70% of the lockboxes I need 🙂

[dire osprey]

gotta level up the pad

[lofty depot]

That u'll likely use it in aoe

[lucid olive]

idk what to feel about the meteorites change

idk why change it at all

[lofty depot]

Still to be seen if goldrinn out plays it in 2t

[lucid olive]

you're effectively cutting the Meteorites value on 1 target in half

[lofty depot]

Well goldrinn already better on st with weaver right

So there's no value in a dead talent

[lucid olive]

yeah but if Meteorites got buffed on 1 target instead..

[lofty depot]

It might be better 2t than goldrinn

And then outright better at 3

[lucid olive]

also doesn't Meteorites proc on random shit

like Convoke does

[lofty depot]

Idk

[lucid olive]

like the small mana barrels in Nexus-Point

[lofty depot]

Think goldrinn still better if ur surging mostly

Like vanguard

[lucid olive]

long as it as a health bar..

their stated goal with the change was to make it more clear that Meteorites is meant for lower target count

but there are definitely better ways of doing that than making it a 2-target talent instead

they could have just changed the tooltip to say what the talent actually does

because "every time Starfall deals damage, a meteorite falls" is not very clear

[lofty depot]

Should make that meteorite splash

Sqrt it if u want

[lucid olive]

yeah idk

remove meteorites and put the current 4set there instead

without the 5% spender increase

[drifting nova]

is it..not just meteorites

[lofty depot]

Probably will happen in 12.1 kek

[drifting nova]

also, when tf do I shroom

[lofty depot]

Or 13.0

[lucid olive]

in Eclipse or CDs when you need AP

[drifting nova]

not before?

as it takes 1s to proc

shroom > ecl

[lofty depot]

Kekkers is gamer

[lucid olive]

With high enough haste you can

[lofty depot]

Locken

[lucid olive]

Like in lust

[drifting nova]

lemme go grief a key

[lucid olive]

but usually the mushroom explosion won't be in Eclipse if you shroom first

We tested it on beta and found it worked with Lust running

so there's some haste breakpoint there but not sure what

[lofty depot]

Uhhh it was lik 30%

Cuz I kept taking off haste gear to find it

[drifting nova]

just realised this chim build I copied has natures balance

wtf

[lofty depot]

Maybe that person was 2nd group

[lucid olive]

yeah NB is good for opener stuff and some passive AP gen

[drifting nova]

but it does no dam

can we just buff the asp generated from wrath/starfire

[lucid olive]

its just another "i take this talent cause it looks cool" talents

[drifting nova]

thanks

[lofty depot]

Should bring back the blessings

NB is cringe

[drifting nova]

I like it..but it very much falls into the

"why isnt it baseline"

category

being -1 talent is awful

[lucid olive]

why do they keep making bosses that have cooler versions of moonkin spells

[lofty depot]

Why do they keep making specs with old moonkin traits

Why does dh have cast while moving and we can't get it back for when in starfall

[lucid olive]

we went straight from getting a fire moonkin form on Tindral to hero talents

[lofty depot]

Why does dh have 3 blinks

Why does devdh have 2 blurs

[lucid olive]

not having flame druid as hero talent is a sham

let me spawn volcanic mushrooms..

[lofty depot]

Make surge a fiery surge

[lucid olive]

or spawn some farts on the ground that poisons everything..

[lucid olive]

imagine Convoke

but flame themed

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

Why does tswift still have hurricane aoe ability and I dont

Why he spawn some fiery treants and I cant

[lucid olive]

he's just cool like that..

the orbs he spawns in the sky are basically fire themed full moons..

[lofty depot]

Why he have big ass meteor that he throw on the ground and I sont

[drifting nova]

I wish I lived in a world where people didnt waitlist

rather ban them over boosters

[lofty depot]

Do we get patch notes today

Or is it just boss tuning for next week

[drifting nova]

is windrunner the easiest key?

[lucid olive]

boss tuning usually drops monday

[drifting nova]

actually cant find them

ever

[lucid olive]

skyreach

[drifting nova]

mhm not shocked

had spire stuck on 6 forever

[urban hollow]

hey sorry if this is known but is there an addon replacement for the WA that would create a string for simming m+? I have a locus walkers ribbon that I assume is not great in m+ but i want to compare against my other trinkets

[lofty depot]

It's not great in m+ if u have downtime

Which there are plenty of dungeons with that

[urban hollow]

my other options are all lower ilvl tho, like crucible. crucible op tho so I assume thats the play

[lofty depot]

Doesn't matter if crucible is low ilvl

Its effects push it past most

If ur not clearing normal Voidspire u should be trying to kill vaelgors and buying the trinket

[urban hollow]

o yea i have vaelgors. its the 2nd slot im deciding

[drifting nova]

"dw guys I omega pull first pack"

thats an xD from me

[jolly delta]

this is a kekkers issue

[jolly delta]

this is also a kekkers issue

[drifting nova]

na the tank is spaniard

and .. [REDACTED] just straight trollign now

[warm holly]

I know this probably has been discussed to death by now but: am I unreasonable if I don't want to play boomie anymore after the eclipse changes?

[drifting nova]

no

[drifting nova]

2stack spaniards cant abandon

god I love hostage systems

[lofty depot]

Ok so ur just always running crucible unless a raid fight is 7 minutes prob

Or the sim says it a better at 5 idk

[lucid olive]

No you're not unreasonable
No it hasn't been discussed to death

No it's not worth discussing at all

[jolly delta]

bro anyone can find fun whatever they want

[lucid olive]

You make your own choices don't let anyone tell you what to do or think

Eclipse change is entirely subjective

personally I think it's the best thing since sliced bread

[jolly delta]

im liking this laissez-faire chapter of dg

keep it up

[warm holly]

Oh -mind explaining to me how you see it as improvement? might help me overcome this feel of disqust

[jolly delta]

before you were pressing two bad buttons, now its one

[lofty depot]

Uhhh, subjectively implies it's change is neutral and could be good or bad

[jolly delta]

slightly less bad

[lofty depot]

It's objectively better than before

[lucid olive]

How it feels to play is subjective

[lofty depot]

Not likely it means u likely don't see the benefits in having an instant cast to get into eclipse

[royal zenith]

sliced bread is pretty mid...

[lofty depot]

When there's been many times in raid where it's been terrible to get into eclipse

[craggy sonnet]

managing it optimally is probably harder tho

[lofty depot]

Queen prog, dimmy, sprocket movement

[warm holly]

I greatly dislike having a +1 button for something that was on bars previously and felt easier to track before (subjective opinion

[lofty depot]

It's just as easy to track

[jolly delta]

you lose one button, get one button...

[lucid olive]

I can show you

[jolly delta]

such is life

[lucid olive]

This is old version

[craggy sonnet]

adds quite a bit of overheard for decision making

[lucid olive]

I got targetted by a mechanic

[warm holly]

Maybe it just takes time to adjust, but I've tried & tried and but it always comes back to me as "well this just feels worse", but that's probably just my personal issue with it

[lofty depot]

Setting up CDs is kinda cringe I concede that, but the button press and change to its usage is vastly better

[lucid olive]

10 second gap between Eclipse here cause I had to move

[lofty depot]

Either that, or u don't play content in which having an instant cast u see as a benefit

[lucid olive]

The new version is way more deterministic

Holding a charge for a mechanic to end doesn't lose you uptime

[lofty depot]

It's fine, it's just the wrong opinion

[royal zenith]

show after then

sussy

[lofty depot]

Do u understand the examples I gave u for having an instant cast being better or nah?

[lucid olive]

The previous version had Eclipse as your default state, so any time spent outside of Eclipse felt like shit

Eclipse is no longer your default state

[royal zenith]

unless..

[lucid olive]

but it does put a lot more emphasis on CD management which can feel like shit

[warm holly]

I just really liked the fast-cast system to get back in form, squeezing them between moment felt somehow rewarding to me even in mythic raids and higher keys

[royal zenith]

fast?

[lofty depot]

Fast cast

[royal zenith]

uhm

[lofty depot]

We didn't play the same game

Link log plz

Idc about the damage number

[warm holly]

2 quick casts with the buff felt better for me

[lofty depot]

Quick casts means u played ec

And didn't play keeper

[lucid olive]

he's talking about Dreamstate

and if you were using both your Dreamstate stacks to get into Eclipse you had already misplayed

[warm holly]

I mean you're not wrong, but that itself was skill experssion that I enjoyed

[lofty depot]

Well he doesn't know that so.i was gonna show him

[lucid olive]

since you wanted to enter Eclipse with at least 1 stack (2 for your first Eclipse)

[warm holly]

Yes, I am aware of that infromation.

[royal zenith]

I dunno but, pressing the button and having eclipse uptime is just as much skill expression

your arguments are more about preference, which is fine

[lucid olive]

Okay but a lot of white names probably read this so I prefer to over-explain so I don't get " uhm ackshually'd"

[royal zenith]

:)

[warm holly]

Yes, that is why I said I feel like its worse

[lucid olive]

the feel is for sure subjective

[lofty depot]

Need to explain something but don't know how yet

....... Surely I'll think of something

[lucid olive]

there are also reasons that this version makes the spec objectively better for harder content

less movement tax and more up-front damage on target swapping is part of that

some of it is due to Eclipse and some is due to Mastery change

[lofty depot]

U know when they update ur phone and u complain for the first few months.... And then u get over it cuz it's not changing back

It felt bad, then it feels fine now

[lucid olive]

no I don't know that

[lofty depot]

It's a get over it type of beat

🙂

[lucid olive]

cause I usually fix them back the second they change

[lofty depot]

Shut up rat

[lucid olive]

my windows start menu is win7

can't stop me

[warm holly]

I mean this can very well be the case

[shut dew]

jo guys I got a question.
This trinket sounds good and sims better then the other dungeon trinkets for me, but is it intended, that it never runs out?

[warm holly]

but I noticed I stopped using my phone way less and enjoying other things more, so maybe the change was not for the better for me

[shell basin]

Hey guys, am i missing something? I dinged 90 couple of days ago and i've acquired 5 sparks ( max atm?). and i have crafted the staff for four sparks. I see ppl with like crafted wrist aswell and those requires 2 sparks, but i only have 1, where can i get the last one? I have done all the quest etc i think

[lucid olive]

link sim

[lofty depot]

The change is better, u just don't know/understand it

[lucid olive]

The implementations of Timewalking trinkets is probably a bit sus

[lofty depot]

"grr the peons don't know what's good for them"

[lucid olive]

max sparks is 6 so you're missing one

[lofty depot]

Is this ur alt?

[lucid olive]

The current cap is 5 but there is one that is above the cap

[lofty depot]

Did u talk to solomoralis or w.e. the fuck in the inn, then do the world tour

[shell basin]

No this is my main, just started the expansion

[shell basin]

Alright, ill check. Thyanks

[lucid olive]

did you finish the leveling campaign

[digital berry]

You’re missing the midnight world quest one

[lofty depot]

Well that's the alt thing

[shell basin]

yes

[lucid olive]

do you have a quest called Midnight: World Tour

[lofty depot]

So did u finish campaign and then talk to the dude in the center

[lucid olive]

cause if not then thats the quest you're missing

try talking to Lomithar or whatever his name is

[lofty depot]

Is a purple triangle iirc

[lucid olive]

the belf president guy in the middle

Or yeah, just go check every quest marker that is purple until you find Midnight: World Tour

[shell basin]

Think i did that couple of days ago, ill check

[lofty depot]

When u were looking at 5 sparks

Were u looking in ur bags or the currency tab

[shell basin]

bag

[lofty depot]

Hm

[shell basin]

I have a quest "The season starts: Midnight"

[warm quest]

I am somewhat struggling to make sense of all the various builds poeple are using in raids, I kinda wish there was just a list of what the ideal boss fight on each boss is. warcraftlogs UI is a little confusing to me in this way

[digital berry]

Just copy the most common builds for each boss from wclogs

[lofty depot]

Idk what quest names are

[shell basin]

aight i'll check, thanks guys

[lofty depot]

Just click on the fight, click on class > druids > balance and then click the arrow next to the person's name

The UI is pretty basic in finding that information

[digital berry]

Oh I didn’t realize he was talking about the UI, it’s also generally not that deep tbh there isn’t one singular best build for most bosses, differences are minimal between a lot of talent nodes

[shell basin]

Found it, thanks for the help

[drifting nova]

-30mins from a griefed key wooo

[warm quest]

Thank you

[lofty depot]

I mean yea u basically play incarn weaver on every boss

The only difference in builds is comvoke

Must use brain to think of reasons to use convoke

[harsh sonnet]

is nullaeus possible as balance? with the kick

[lofty depot]

If it's not ST idk why were using it

[lofty depot]

Unless they fixed the timer on the kick no

Press n and play bear

[harsh sonnet]

lmao

[exotic perch]

nah play resto

its a joke lol

you just keep lifebloom and occasionally regrowth her

dont even touch any mobs

[warm quest]

on the double dragon boss since we dont run the talent to extend dots are we just constatly reapplying dots to both main dragons or are you just focusing on one while spamming starfall while the little guys show up

I didnt think it was worth starfalling on just 2 targets

[exotic perch]

you would starsurge on 2t there

[lucid olive]

Ye just reapply and keep pressing Starsurge

[exotic perch]

and save astral power for add spawns

to dump some falls

[lucid olive]

It's technically optimal to change targets between your Starsurge casts

[exotic perch]

i tried that gamz and without something like SUF showing boss debuffs that was so goddamn annoying

i havent cared to see if an addon replaces that

[warm quest]

okay that makes sense, I had a wider question about trees, do ever use them outside of a charge of incarn?

[digital berry]

Well yeah

[exotic perch]

your 3 min usage is without

[digital berry]

Fourth cast I think? The first three should all be lined up with ca

Past that it’s every other

[warm quest]

So say your on a single target boss, you open trees and an incarn but then that first incarn finishes. Do you just go into the 2nd incarn since your still in the lust window or do you just go into a regular eclipse? Im sorry Im just a little dumb and Im not quite getting how to use all these mini cooldowns together correctly

[digital berry]

Eclipse x2 into incarn

That will get your trees back up for second incarn

[lofty depot]

Noooo u incarn with trees

[digital berry]

The buff from lust just isn’t enough to justify not using trees during incarn

[lofty depot]

And since trees isn't up at 30 seconds u wait

Trees on CD
CA with trees
Convoke with ca

[digital berry]

Foe whenever

When applicable

[warm quest]

So when your elunes chosen foe doesnt play like trees, its just a button you press when its up?

[digital berry]

Yeah in ec you just want to send it since we got tons of cdr

[craggy sonnet]

you can view foe as trees replacement

you dont play lunation necessarily

[lofty depot]

In which case u still foe on cd

And u still incarn with foe

[craggy sonnet]

at least not with what seems to be best with the apls we have

and without lunation, you just foe every minute and press incarn whenever your trinket is up with it (+ dump the extra charge with the 2nd foe .. or whenever really)

[exotic perch]

warcraftlogs is best for that

[warm quest]

So on any given fight the first 3 trees I spend will all be with CA, got it

and we use eclipse to fill in the gap

[digital berry]

It’s generally a game of :” If I use this ability can it be up in time for when I want to line up my cds?”

[warm quest]

And we always want to use eclipse with a full tank. And you open with your trees CA then we hit one eclipse to fill in the time before the trees come back up for 2nd CA

[digital berry]

Hence why they have a popularity map at the top

[warm quest]

okay this is starting to make sense, something about the guides are a bit weird to understand sorry to ask you guys so many questions

[digital berry]

Tbh it’s really not THAT static, it kinda depends on boss and if you want to pad or smth

[warm quest]

Right Im just trying to make sure Im understanding the basics

[digital berry]

Having two charges of both ca and eclipse means that unless you’re sitting on 2/2 you can delay them a bit to line up with specific mechanics

[warm quest]

Are there any less than obvious points in the raid so far when you need to hold for a big gain?

[digital berry]

Tbh it’s generally a pad fiesta for add spawns , remember you can hold each cd up to 15 seconds without losing anything thanks to control

[warm quest]

Seems like there is a bit of a split on alot of fights with convoke vs not

not is more popular but convoke seems to be able to put out as much damage at the top logs

[digital berry]

Convoke is a single target talent

Depending on the group you play with, some groups might need more aoe spread dps and some might need more boss damage

[warm quest]

So..king? First boss?

[lucid olive]

only mythic boss I would play Convoke on rn is Vorasius