balance

[jolly delta]

read the pin

[delicate perch]

That’s what I’ve been saying

[eager raft]

Who is people

[lofty depot]

No way u got baited vinter

[dull dust]

arctic is resident femboy

[delicate perch]

Oh

[eager raft]

I only know cat jam guy

[jolly delta]

wym baited

i told him to read the pin

written in there

[lofty depot]

That's thyme

[cloud citrus]

arctic followed me to the mage discord

[dull dust]

[cloud citrus]

hes not a real druidf

[lofty depot]

?

[dull dust]

arctic picked me up at the mage disc

with his rizz

[eager raft]

Artic is genuinely the only real moonkin left

[lofty depot]

[eager raft]

Guy played it in manaforge omega

when no one else did

[delicate perch]

Hold up

[cloud citrus]

i played double moonkin in manaforge

we almost had 3 moonkins in manaforge aswell

[eager raft]

Condolences

[lofty depot]

I swapped mage 1 tier against my will

Never agane

[void jacinth]

moonkins lay eggs?

[cloud citrus]

frost mage just plays like s2 TWW boomy right now anyway

[runic kindle]

which came first the moonkin or the egg

[void jacinth]

@lucid olive where in my opener should my moonkin lay an egg?

[cloud citrus]

you shouldnt be laying eggs in raid

[eager raft]

Mind you this is you

[jolly delta]

based

[delicate perch]

🔒

[cloud citrus]

las time a moonkin layed an egg broodtwister happened

[lucid olive]

??

[dull dust]

wtf

[lofty depot]

I got 3

So what

[dull dust]

level.mine next

[delicate perch]

You misspelt trees how can anyone trust you’re a Druid?

[void jacinth]

larping as lorgok

[delicate perch]

[somber path]

I'm leveling my 4th chicken later

[void jacinth]

[delicate perch]

[cyan night]

hey, guys, is there a way to track Blooming Infusion and Orbit Breaker stacks?

[eager raft]

Oh do u private log now

[lucid olive]

you can track the proc of Blooming Infusion but not the progress towards the proc

orbit breaker you can't track at all

need to guess

[delicate perch]

Wym now

[eager raft]

Mental illness man

[cyan night]

so sad. Thank you

[eager raft]

I swear you’ve had logs in the past

[lucid olive]

leveled all as balance too

[delicate perch]

Probs pugs/heroic and shit

[dull dust]

nah ain't no way

[lucid olive]

only swapped spec on main for m0 leather stack this week

[delicate perch]

Alright this guys insane get him outta here

[eager raft]

[lucid olive]

questing as balance is so easy man

[dull dust]

man's commited to his spec

at least

[delicate perch]

Ya it was fine

Bear for m0s though

[cyan night]

Is it worth to use every proc of Blooming Infusion, so you can get the 100% damage proc. Is it worth the GCDs in your opinion

[lucid olive]

played resto for m0 cause thats what the group needed

[lucid olive]

its generally not worth the 5 regrowth casts

[cyan night]

i mean the instant casts

[dull dust]

how do I ragebait arctic

I think hes becoming immune

[lucid olive]

and how do you get the instant casts

[cyan night]

by casting starsurges

5 starsurge or starfalls

[lucid olive]

the instant regrowth doesnt matter

[tacit oriole]

Preach man. Preach

[lucid olive]

regrowth is 1.5s cast time

gcd is 1.5s

[delicate perch]

Post logs on a alt account just doing literally everything possible wrong

[lucid olive]

all the instant regrowth does is let you cast it while moving

in uptime theyre the same

[eager raft]

Can’t anymore

He’s battle tested

[delicate perch]

Make him go on a 1 hour screenshot post

[cyan night]

so only when you need to move. Them it's worth

then*

[eager raft]

he is just perma enraged

[lucid olive]

well, regrowth is worth casting in fights if you need a defensive

its not something you do rotationally

[cyan night]

and even then, you may have astral power to cast other stuff when moving

got it

[dull dust]

[cyan night]

dumb talent then, i guess

[eager raft]

Nah it’s a banger talent

[lucid olive]

defensive value talent

[eager raft]

8% dr on demand

[dull dust]

jokes on u I could just post my main

[cyan night]

i meant the dmg one

defensive is nice, but using if not needed just to get the instant cast 100% dmg increase of Wrath/Starfire seems not worthy

[lucid olive]

yeah correct

but its still a good talent

just not a dmg increase to play around

[grand ibex]

hi someone have a good talent for balance dungeon?

[stone ledge]

I hear wowhead does

[lucid olive]

starweaver is a good talent

[stone ledge]

Pulsar bis

[slim tapir]

I sm swapping off ele for this tier and reading all the chat the past two hours makes me worried this spec too big for my peanut sized brain

[runic kindle]

I think you'll be ok

[plucky cedar]

Moonfire everything, cast convoke, if they aren't dead try again

[slim tapir]

That’s the game play I was hoping for to match the shaman asencsnce experience, not sure I’ll be able,e to watch an ascendant eclipse stack tracker

[runic kindle]

you wat

I think you're overcomplicating probably

its just your first 3 spenders after activating eclipse deal extra dam. You don't have to track it, you just make sure you always send 3 spenders right away.

which you want to do anyways for starlord stacks

[lofty depot]

Don't let big tweet scare u

[spice roost]

all to do less than a tank

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

[dull dust]

20% aura buff inc

[lofty depot]

Our eclipse doesn't have stacks

We spam surge and starfall tho

This look fun no?

[maiden pasture]

why starfire, is it better to use the instant cast on starfire?

[lofty depot]

Cuz mor damgur

[maiden pasture]

does it do more dam or

[slim tapir]

So many symbols

https://tenor.com/view/elemental-shaman-bongo-cat-gif-17222884347728734133

[lofty depot]

All those symbols are on the bars anyway

[loud kettle]

me when i find out sim is doing something because its more dam

[pallid bay]

🤯

[lofty depot]

Ele blast isn't even a button

[maiden pasture]

quiet kitty

[lofty depot]

It just proc now

[dull dust]

[runic kindle]

whats the over under on bear damage nerfs

I feel like its basically guaranteed

[lucid olive]

considering the guardian gameplay involve cancelaura stuff

i'd say it's likely they get more than just a dmg nerf

[maiden pasture]

what are these freaks cancelauraing

[lucid olive]

bear form

[maiden pasture]

mi bomba

[lucid olive]

cancel bear form below a certain amount of Rage if your next cast is Mangle

so you Fluid Form back

is apparently part of the tech

[runic kindle]

that is cursed

[lucid olive]

I saw something about it, but I didn't read past the first page so I might have missed something..

[loud kettle]

not just if ur next cast is mangle

if low enough you can cancel/incap

or cancel/roar

[maiden pasture]

that reminds me of my beloved venthyr macro

[dull dust]

cool thin I had to set lunar eclipse to not fire in st because 1 every couple thousand sims it would have a lunar cast because it just proced so hard in a incarn

[lucid olive]

should see if its worth forcing it to spend all dream burst stacks in incarn

that should gen some cosmos procs too

[lofty depot]

Lol

[lucid olive]

something like wrath/starfire,if=buff.dream_burst.react&(!prev.gcd.1.wrath|!prev.gcd.1.starfire)

make it spend a stack without chaining the builder casts

[dull dust]

does convoke spend dreamburst

[lucid olive]

yes

[dull dust]

surely there will be a 1m cd 5 sec dmg amp at some point

[lofty depot]

There was one on court

No one played it 😭

[dull dust]

oof

[cedar seal]

do we craft anything or wait ? 🙂

[lofty depot]

Wait

[lucid olive]

I had a talent sim with 2m convoke yesterday

that was 0.2% behind

[lofty depot]

Silly st

[lucid olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rnR89t3Ar9mnYzugCu4HNx

[dull dust]

I had a talent sim with incarn and no node under sim 95k

[lucid olive]

[dull dust]

idk why it breaks sometimes for me

[lucid olive]

I have a strong feeling they're gonna buff Wrath/Starfire anyway

[loud kettle]

how long was the sim

[lucid olive]

cause Umbral Intensity being 0.2% worse on ST than Twin Moons shouldn't make sense

[loud kettle]

and/or how many targets

[dull dust]

1t5m

[loud kettle]

hmm

where is the leak...

[dull dust]

was the topgear talent picker thing

[lucid olive]

yeah the new advanced mode algorithm

[lofty depot]

Like I said, our 1% increase is just a variance sometimes

Just proc more

[dull dust]

[loud kettle]

wdym sometimes

whaddafrick

[lucid olive]

i love proc gameplay

[dull dust]

gamz sim no apex

[runic kindle]

just proc more 4head

[lofty depot]

Our variance kinda big

Not lock big but

[loud kettle]

ya but shouldnt the sim just run more iterations to correct for that

[lofty depot]

Type debug=1 and just sim diffy til u see a 5% gain

Pew pew

[loud kettle]

ya i mean 1 iteration sims you can easily get large numby for sure

[lofty depot]

Mmhm mmhm

[runic kindle]

petition to change starfires name to swrath

[lofty depot]

🚪

[dull dust]

I think we should make everything star something

wrath to starbolt

[lucid olive]

xddddd

id rather not

[dull dust]

not bad

lowkey

[lofty depot]

Cuz fire blast and fireball works so well for u

[dull dust]

arcane surge arcane orb arcane blast arcane barrage arcane missiles

[runic kindle]

starblast and starball

[lucid olive]

smh that one dungeon boss has cooler names

[dull dust]

I need to think of some crazy trinket lines soon

[runic kindle]

that guy is cool I like him

[lofty depot]

Huh

[lucid olive]

i think the only one worth doing anything for is the cosmic madness one

cause its just dmg on-use

[lofty depot]

Ur lucky the mastery trinket works incorrectly in sim

[lucid olive]

the rest are just natty 1:30 or 2m on-use buff trinkets

[dull dust]

gotta hold second incarn for third trees and trinket

[lucid olive]

but also i think before any of that

we should make an actual AoE apl

[loud kettle]

nonsense

[dull dust]

wym its there

[lucid olive]

xdd

[loud kettle]

aoe sims are useless

[lofty depot]

Tell that to 3 pally boss

[lucid olive]

and before pushing it to DG i have to add power infusion lines and racial lines

[loud kettle]

idk what that fight is

[dull dust]

its peak

literally perfect

[lofty depot]

It's 3 pallys silly

[loud kettle]

sounds like a 2t fight

[lofty depot]

No there is one of those, tho

[loud kettle]

do the paladins stay grouped at least

[lofty depot]

Sure

[loud kettle]

hate when theyre jumping around and nonsense

[lofty depot]

One probably be jumpin

[lucid olive]

grouped for like a few seconds

well

he doesnt jump around

but he horses around for sure

[lofty depot]

It's ok feral will do more damage on 2t than boomkin do on 3t

[loud kettle]

ill be healing anyway

so doesnt really matter :3

[lofty depot]

Feral dream deadge

[dull dust]

is there even racials other then troll that u would use

haranir sucks ass

[lucid olive]

probably not no

[runic kindle]

that would make me sadge, I was originally gonna play feral this season but I enjoyed boomie a lot more

you can pry my shadowmeld from my cold dead hands

idc how good another race is

[lofty depot]

Tauren was better last tier too

Most didn't swap

Tauren better for prog too, more stam

[dull dust]

idk if I could play a non nightelf druid

gunna start a key group again

wish me luck

surely i find humans

[lofty depot]

R u saying mage or

[dull dust]

nah

mage is for weenies

[lofty depot]

So super weenie hut jr ur gonna play boomkin

[dull dust]

yes

surely it gets buffed

[lofty depot]

It's gonna say buff, but then the tierset gonna get nerfed and be a wash

Thanks for ur sub tho

[dull dust]

ill hit my feral arc

[lofty depot]

More like rdru

[dull dust]

[drifting nova]

welp

[onyx ice]

I'm new to balance this expansion after playing mostly hunter, I think I get the rotation but I have a question. Are you supposed to go into eclipse when you have full power then drain it all at once then go back to spender to maximize starlord time? or do you drain your astral power as much as possible until the eclipse ends?

Basically popping 3 starfalls then going back to starfire or keep going back to star fall to fit in 4-5

[drifting nova]

I hate this new defensive

can we get the funny button back

[potent cargo]

I miss renewal

casting a dogshit wg that takes you out of form is low tier

[potent cargo]

2nd, but once you get to the ass end of eclipse you wanna start building again logically since starlord will reset on next eclipse anyway

but it's just an intuition thing

not a hard/fast rule

[lucid olive]

man

I know that pressing the HOTW button to wild growth is dogshit

but I still love doing it

idk why

it does piss healing and takes me out of form

[onyx ice]

Well I think I'm doing the rotation right but I'm doing barely over tank damage, not sure what I'm getting wrong as it's not a super difficult back and forth

[lucid olive]

still feels like i'm helping

[potent cargo]

i just use it in bear but its sad to not have another throughput save

[potent cargo]

we just shit

[onyx ice]

oh goodie

[potent cargo]

almost got gaslit into doing hotw full healing on sylvanas

did a hotw wg and then went back to dps, refuse to convoke heal

[lucid olive]

the Echo hotw convoke when Sylvanas jumps away in p3 tech

[potent cargo]

sry boys i got damgur to do

[lofty depot]

That was badass the fuck u mean

Afk on platform 3 anyway

[potent cargo]

nah thats damgur time

[drifting nova]

is there a group filter that works

[lucid olive]

like an addon?

[drifting nova]

yeah

[lucid olive]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/premade-groups-filter

[drifting nova]

premade group filter ..works but

[lucid olive]

think this one works

[drifting nova]

the dungeon count is old

[lucid olive]

havent tried it

ah

[drifting nova]

still has tww

maybe s1 itl get updated but idk

last update was january

[lucid olive]

ye who knows

i don't use it for that though

you can filter dungeons in the default finder no

[stone ledge]

You can filter by typing the dungeon name in the search bar and selecting difficulty

[true viper]

the guy says it will adjust to the new dungeons when season 1 starts

Idk why he didnt just put it now but idk

[brisk tundra]

Is balance kind of a low floor but high skill ceiling spec ? the skill ceiling got higher in midnight right ?

[nova ocean]

Higher does not mean high

[lofty depot]

depends what u consider floor

[brisk tundra]

I guess Im just more wondering about the ceiling is there any fun in optizing

optimizing

[lofty depot]

ur gonna try to optimize spenders in incarn, pooling kinda weird with all our asp gen with procs into cds

be a learning experience for some who arent used to it

but there is plenty to think about with the spec yes

[lucid olive]

whats the opposite of optimize

shittify?

[lofty depot]

uhhhh, randomize

uhhh, disorginized?

[potent cargo]

high floor low ceiling

[brisk tundra]

Cool thanks I appreciate the answer. The aesthetic is amazing so Im glad theres some depth to get into later on

[lofty depot]

uhh, ineffecient?

[potent cargo]

very little effort to do well

[dull dust]

chancelify

[potent cargo]

very little effort to do good

[lofty depot]

that just means, notworking

[dull dust]

[potent cargo]

like at its core boomy is 2 buttons with 2 dots

at its peak its 2 buttons with 2 dots, couple cds and some minor managemet of astral power around eclipse that takes very little brainpower to actively manage, for a not so massive dps increase

[brisk tundra]

so do you still enjoy it despite that ?

[potent cargo]

perhaps a bit reductive but i dont think boomy is brainpower required spec in any content as of current for 98% of people

Yeah I don't mind boomy, its a means to an end

[lofty depot]

it could possibly be the most fun the spec has been in 3+ years

which isnt actually saying much cuz its been piss easy and boring as shit for that long

[potent cargo]

like m+ spec for boomy is easy to play

bit boring with slow starfire

raid spec kotg its got some interactivity but for pushing hard content you want easy not hard

[lofty depot]

speak for your self

[potent cargo]

I am

Like idk I look at it as a wf raiderkinda thing

I want a spec I can do 95% of my damage consistently within the first 5 pulls of the boss so that damage is consistent and phase timings / dmg etc. can be trusted

and not so hard that I hvea to baby sit shit while learning mechanics/doing mechanics

consistent raider > dead raider who cranks a lil harder type shit

[tacit oriole]

Mhmm mhmm mhmm

[dull dust]

mhmm

■●◇ABUNDANCE◇●■

[brisk tundra]

I agree with that sentiment but if a spec isnt engaging enough then I get bored

[delicate perch]

Put on subway surfers YouTube short or some shit then

[potent cargo]

that's what talking shit is for

i play boomy to be the guild jester on comms

[dense steeple]

a noble sacrifice

[lucid olive]

honestly lead slur sayer?

[brisk tundra]

well I mean thats why Im asking before I put a ton of time into learning the spec if i wont like it

[dull dust]

boomkins the hardest spec in midnight

[potent cargo]

I can say it bc im mixed

but i try not to

usually just chat shit about random stuff

or abuse trials

[dull dust]

im a mage so

[lucid olive]

sounds like an echoes raid

we got a healer trial who put in his app that he was bald

i think more people know him just as baldie now instead of his name

[drifting nova]

guilds that low have trials? wild

[potent cargo]

hahahahahaha

I would 100% just be ripping him for being bald

[lucid olive]

eh we don't treat trials differently other than the usual social hazing for being new, but they need to have finished prog for a tier to get promoted

but trials have the same prio as raiders during prog with loot and comps and stuff

[drifting nova]

I expected less of you

I expected you to hoard the loot to yourselves

[lucid olive]

well yeah, all items go to officers first

and then raiders and trials are treated the same

[drifting nova]

guilds are just mlms

[kindred token]

@lucid olive Anytime you're streaming on twitch?

[delicate perch]

gamz only streams to egirls in discord dms

[lucid olive]

more like e30 year old men

[delicate perch]

[dull dust]

so me

[delicate perch]

no bald guys though

[thick ocean]

is it me or balance feels awfull right now?

[void jacinth]

por que no los dos?

[true viper]

Does give balance good dps?

[delicate perch]

it gives

(the chance to respec bear)

[lofty depot]

depends if ur talking about gameplay or damage

[thick ocean]

Kinda both i just lvled 90 but i feel like i lack dps

odd feeling dont know why

ill keep playing around

[lofty depot]

well damage is lacking

the gameplay feels good

[drifting nova]

rotation is balls

[lofty depot]

if u dont look at the meter

[drifting nova]

damage is ballser

[dense steeple]

arctic do you know math

[lofty depot]

what kind

[dense steeple]

like basic addition

[lofty depot]

yeayea

[drifting nova]

doubtful

[lofty depot]

2+2 = fish

[glacial steeple]

It's alright once you get a bunch of gear you can do well in M0s

[thick ocean]

well apart from eclipse that shold be off gcd gameplay is cool yeah

[dense steeple]

why only 2 randoms

[brisk tundra]

I asked in the mage discord and they seem a lot more doomer about the gaemplay than yall so I guess I go boomy

[dense steeple]

at least mage does damage

and you bring lust

[drifting nova]

yeah but mages think they are always the worst

[potent cargo]

should be like 10-12 randoms

[lofty depot]

u do m0s u get to like 90? or some shit?

[potent cargo]

to cap ur adventurer quests

or w/e

[lucid olive]

thats more of a comment about the people in the discords and not the class itself

[drifting nova]

mages got that 4th spec

victim

[lofty depot]

i was at like 110, so i assume i did a hard prey before doing m0s

[brisk tundra]

its so hard to get good opinions on classes everyone swears their spec is the easiest spec in the game

[lofty depot]

but then right 200-110 = 90, 15 per.... 15x6 = 90

[dense steeple]

yeah like i havent spent any vet crests

and im at 150/200 season currently

after doing everything + th e2 optional

so like im trying to understand why not do 4 more to cap

[lofty depot]

well u can

it says so

u can just do them now or later

but yea i just capped it cuz it was easy

[true viper]

fun fact: m0s go by faster if you spend all ur crests and sparks so make sure you guys do that so you arent wasting time in m0s

[dense steeple]

true

[lofty depot]

kb u find a new guild yet

[dense steeple]

why do you think i have 2 chars at 240

[lofty depot]

need to keep 160 vets for embells week 1 surely

[true viper]

idiot

is the guild

[drifting nova]

which ones are those

I thought this bad crest system was gone

[brisk tundra]

are you shindigs replacement ?

[dense steeple]

tell babybrain i said hi

[lofty depot]

but they have like 3 druids

what the fric

[dense steeple]

barely

one is a tank multiclasser and the other is a flex

they barely have one druid

[dense steeple]

wait why are you here, go be op devourer

ctrl s

[brisk tundra]

devourer has mega goofy sound effects boomkin is way cooler

[brisk tundra]

idk what that means sorry

[loud kettle]

Mutes sound effects

[dense steeple]

default keybind

[compact pilot]

I know theres gonna be tuning passes still so we're all just guessing but are people expecting boomie to be pretty good in m+ this tier?

[dense steeple]

people always expect boomie to be good in m+

then we end up mediocre

[compact pilot]

yeah I really want to play it but I also feel with rdruid being so good there's just gonna be no room

sigh

waiting in queue so long not getting invited last tier was ass

[lofty depot]

theres 4 weeks of balance coming

• w.e. they do on 0.5

and unless ur like top 20 people trying to push the highest possible keys... any class can push withing 1-2 keys of those

[potent cargo]

ya no point

better dps

and rdruid s tier

[lofty depot]

yea but who are the hpals gonna get to dps their keys

[warm current]

Are we taking starweaver over rattle these days for raiding? wowhead guide is suggesting it and also fury of elune

[lucid olive]

ye

[lofty depot]

starweaver is more likely yes

it now interacts with hail of hte stars, so is good

maybe its within reason that u could play either

[lucid olive]

big shooting stars damage

[lofty depot]

but who wants to do boring rattle gameplay

when u can be machine gun starsurge/starfall boi

[warm current]

rip convoke, you'll be missed!

[lofty depot]

no u wont

[warm current]

rofl

[lofty depot]

(convoke might be fine on st)

[warm current]

awesome, thanks for the guidance!

[lucid olive]

there are bosses in the raid where convoke is good

[dull dust]

rattle dn

[lofty depot]

https://klipy.com/gifs/convoke-druid

[dull dust]

[warm current]

single target or multi target fights? also, at how many targets would we talent into aetherial kindling?

[lucid olive]

2 targets for AK

can do it on 1 target as well if you want

its only like 0.3% behind

i think beloren and salhadaar are good convoke fights

esp salhadaar since its a dmg amp that lines up

[warm current]

is that primarily to refresh dots without blowing 2 gcds? ideally we'd dump most of our AP into star surges in single target yes?

[lucid olive]

yeah just saves you globals

and the more you Starfall during the fight the higher value AK has

so if theres an add phase or whatever it might be worth just to have it perma

[warm current]

starfall isn't outpacing SS for damage is it?

[lofty depot]

on st no

but u use cosmos procs on it

[lucid olive]

pretty sure AK also refreshes the dots no matter how far away they are

at least it used to

[lofty depot]

i think the range is higher than ur cast range

[lucid olive]

when Fyrakk left in intermission you could extend your Sunfire/Moonfire on him

[warm current]

yeah it still does. i learned that in Ashran 😛

[lofty depot]

but its not infinite range

[loud kettle]

Probably 100y

[lofty depot]

uhhh

[lucid olive]

good for Chimaerus intermission too

buncha adds spawn and he flies around

[lofty depot]

doubt its 100y, broodkeeper it would fall off sometimes

when u were across room

[loud kettle]

room was much bigger than 100y across right

Didn't raid that tier

[warm current]

thanks for clearing those questions up! i'm sure i'll be back with more 😛

[lofty depot]

no clue

get out hte googlemaps

[lofty depot]

i believe this implicitly

[loud kettle]

I dont believe it even slightly

[kindred token]

I am too lol

[dense steeple]

i distinctly remember getting yelled at for running too close to the other group and getting stacks

because i wanted to cleave shit

[dull dust]

blue discord

[midnight bough]

fastest delve to spam for levelling?

[lofty depot]

its not active right now

shadowguard point

[dull dust]

activate it

I should've leveled more yesterday

[dense steeple]

im like 200% sure it was active yesterday too lmao

[lofty depot]

u are correct

[dull dust]

so i can just do crafting and turn in delve quests at 88 correct

[lofty depot]

how many alts do u have

[dense steeple]

turn delve quests in first, then craft

do not craft til 89

[dull dust]

1

im slow

[lofty depot]

better be like 88.5

[dull dust]

shii

aight 90 tonight

no apl

someone else's problem

[dense steeple]

@sour rampart i summon thee

[sour rampart]

sup

good talk

[dense steeple]

i need answer

please math me why only 2 extra prey

[lofty depot]

i already said go do it

[dense steeple]

youre not the guide man

i dont want to do it

but i dont want to miss out on crests while i have nothing better to do

why am i only doing 2 and not another FOUR more to max out now

[sour rampart]

oh

you actaully replied

uhh

[sour rampart]

because you get 120 next week

why do stuff you dont have to

[lofty depot]

those preys give crests until ur capped

why would u be missing out on

[sour rampart]

i mean

if you want to run 2 extra prey for no reason

all power to you

[dense steeple]

i did the 2 random and im still 50 short

[sour rampart]

but if you cap 200, and then do an m0 world tour and 4x hm prey that you have to do next week for renown anyway, thats 320/300 crests

[dense steeple]

thats FOUR extra

[sour rampart]

next week

you'll get another 150

80 m0
40 hm prey
30 hm random prey
150
+
150

300

math

[dense steeple]

wont we be doing nightmare next week?

[sour rampart]

no

nightmare is the week after

they hard locked it

[dense steeple]

o

so we only gain 100 cap tomorrow

okay my math is caught up

[drifting nova]

but why random

if it gives the same as choosing

[dense steeple]

kekkers hasnt done his prey for the week

[lucid olive]

neither have i

[drifting nova]

I've done 2x2

[lucid olive]

[drifting nova]

why tf would I do a 3rd

for 10renown

instead of 1k

yes I died instantly trying to do it as chicken

bear much easier

[sour rampart]

only way to get vet crests

[lofty depot]

LIKE 130

[drifting nova]

m0 says hello?

[loud kettle]

Yea see i was right

[sour rampart]

how do you get more crests after your first 8 m0s

[lucid olive]

okay i never knew about this until now

[sour rampart]

think it through

[lucid olive]

google solar eclipse

[drifting nova]

wait til next week

dummy

[sour rampart]

am i allowed to mute him

[drifting nova]

use ya noggin

[drifting nova]

I cant help but think the last apex talent

is absolute booty

[loud kettle]

I do 8 m0s the next day surely that works

[sour rampart]

I can't help it. I see dumb people and try to help them

[lofty depot]

the animation or

[lucid olive]

yeah lmao

never seen that before

also how wow pilled do you have to be to just google solar eclipse and assume the top hit is wowhead

[lofty depot]

i figured it wasnt

[drifting nova]

this is lunar eclipse erasure

wheres the animation

[lofty depot]

usually i put wowhead behind the search

[lucid olive]

i usually just put wow

[drifting nova]

me when I end my search with osrs

just leaks through

[dense steeple]

i end all my searches with -ai

[drifting nova]

you shorten your tea? interesting

wait no..your favourite streamer

all makes sense now

[dull dust]

oh kekkers of the grove what is your wisdom

[drifting nova]

big word does not want you to know the plural for sheep

[dull dust]

[jolly delta]

shopi

[lucid olive]

i'm sorry m+ers you can't take it off your bars

[lofty depot]

SPIT

[lucid olive]

[cursive mirage]

amazing

[dull dust]

ban this guy

[lofty depot]

good fuckem

w blizzard for making wrath good for ec

[dull dust]

why only 82k

[lofty depot]

shit spec

bright side, our tierset lost %

was 19% is now 15%

[lucid olive]

On st yeah

On AoE it probably gained a ton

[lofty depot]

prob

[lucid olive]

With the 4pc AOE splash counting toward Orbit Breaker such a troll interaction

[lofty depot]

but have fun simming 3t or dungeonruote

[lofty depot]

this is good interaction

stop the cap

[lucid olive]

Pull 30 mobs and proc back to back orbit breakers

[lofty depot]

god imagine it had exposure

[lucid olive]

Don't remind me

[lofty depot]

gotta tell the dev

[lucid olive]

There were hotfixes today

You should check it

[lofty depot]

yeayea totall

/me waiting for gastank to tell me what happened

is fine nothing to see here

embell changes hm

fixed shadowy apparitions not critting kek (at least i think, ye publik test)

[reef mica]

im grabbin a darkmoon deck for ilvl, which one is recommended?

[loud kettle]

hunt

though tbh that wouldnt be too hard to sim, could just add all 4 in top gear search bar and see

(itll probably be hunt though)

[reef mica]

ty

[delicate perch]

the cheapest one because surely you replace that in m+ week

[nimble tangle]

@lofty depot @lucid olive shall we track ascedant ecplise in CDM?

[drifting nova]

i wont put it back, you cant make me

[drifting nova]

whats ascendant

what was the starfire buff for ec in tww

swear it was more than 100

[nimble tangle]

its the apex talent

[jaunty blaze]

What do you want to track about it

Only thing there is to it is to use your free builder

[nimble tangle]

yea use 3 stacks ASAP

just wanna see if buff has any priority to track

[drifting nova]

so..the same as before

build

dump

build dump

[nimble tangle]

okay then i will track starlord again

[drifting nova]

but why

[nimble tangle]

need to track one more buff in my CDM

otherwise my buff bar is not center aligned

[drifting nova]

but eclipse centres it

one buff to rule them all

[nimble tangle]

cuz wowhead says enter ecplise whenever starlord ends

and i dunno when it ends

[drifting nova]

when eclipse ends

[nimble tangle]

it ends EARLIER than i expect

[round field]

no?

[rare hamlet]

Hello boomkins, I need your help.

I'm new to DPS, and I am bad at it. I really vibed with Boomkin before the re-work, but now I'm not, and I have a big sad about it because I want to. I also don't understand why, because I feel like on the surface level it didn't change much, but it just feels bad to me now.

Can someone tell me, in stupid newbie terms, what exactly changed?

[potent cargo]

didnt change at all

except eclipse is a button instead of two casts in a row

we just do shit dmg

[rare hamlet]

Oh.

Boo

I felt like I did OK before the Middies pre-patch, but after I just could not gain traction at all, and I just can't figure out why. Maybe it's not just me then.

[loud kettle]

Also everything explodes in m0s anyway

Even if boomy was good they'd still be bad for that

[rare hamlet]

Yeah, everyone kept telling they're just bad at ST, bad before 90, bad without gear etc, but now I'm 90, with ok-ish gear for the pre-season and still all I'm doing is waving my arms to no effect.

[lone turret]

Thats why I think mushrooms and meteor is at the moment better - trash is dying fast

[rare hamlet]

I'm also sad because I really love my Haranir druid, but none of the specs on it makes me happy 😭

[normal pilot]

just because it was bad before 90 without gear doesn't mean it won't be bad at 90 with gear

[rare hamlet]

I think they were just trying to cheer me up, tbh.

[round field]

Not very nice of them

[nimble tangle]

also, as EC at single target, only cast starsurge at the beginning of eclipse to consume ascendant buff？

and free proc?

any other time cast starfall?

[jaunty blaze]

Only with starweaver proc if you play it

[latent wagon]

in terms of rep is there one that is better for balace/resto/feral?

[vale pebble]

what do you mean by rep

[potent cargo]

wdym rep

[latent wagon]

i hav ent played since tww

[potent cargo]

[loud kettle]

Only really matters for professions/cosmetics tbh. Technically can get some vet gear but it'll get replaced pretty fast

[latent wagon]

gotcha

[tawny linden]

KOTG or EC for cleave raids next week? I have read that KOTG is better single target, but raids do not offer any single target focused, mostly cleaves

Or switch between EC - KOTG based on split or stacked cleave?

[potent cargo]

probably kotg every boss

idk the bosses but ec only if there's some genuine whole fight 2+ targ stacked boss

even then its heroic week not even mythic so doesnt really matter the bosses will get their head caved in except end boss and in most guilds aoe dmg doesnt exist so I would just be banging st

and we're also in the pits dmg wise so does it rly matter when we'll be 20-30% lower than everyone else

[tawny linden]

Poor chicken! Thanks though 😁

[royal zenith]

hope EC dies off

stoopid hero talent

[twin lotus]

the 3 paladins boss will probably be EC

[vale pebble]

there is yea

[agile leaf]

Do you ever press wrath on EC anymore ?

[sudden flame]

no

[agile leaf]

ok ty

[lofty depot]

Wrong

[lofty depot]

It's an increase on ST to press wrath outside of eclipse

[pallid bay]

an increase is prob an overstatement

[lofty depot]

I want m+ers to suffer so I will link gamz sim and make them keep wrath on their bar

[pale crescent]

hi why does Pawn suggest that crit haste neck is better than mastery?

a bit confusing, mastery was alwayss top1 stat

mastery vers

[lofty depot]

Stop using pawn

[pale crescent]

vs crit haste

ah so pawn scams?

[lofty depot]

Something something not mop

If u want to know gear upgrade, sim on raidbots

[pale crescent]

so it's literally the neck from amani for the reputation

[lofty depot]

But the thought process of "I always want mastery over others" isn't exactly correct

[lofty depot]

We do want crit and haste tho. The stat prio is like mastery > Crit = haste. And u'll get to a point when the sim will prior Crit/ hast over mastery

[pale crescent]

I see, I'm just gearing up, first week :p

somehow with some talents it now feels like crit is very welcome

[lofty depot]

Its ur apex talent

Specifically the 2/3 ones

[smoky prawn]

crit is mostly decent on boomie

[lofty depot]

"always" isn't accurate

There were many times where vers was better

[smoky prawn]

mastery just hits a diminishing return and after you hit that point crit is good

mostly then ^^

rather have the 2 big starsurges from tier piece from last season crit than having a little dmg increase from vers

[pale crescent]

and KotG vs WoE dillema exists?

[royal zenith]

what if mastery with 30% dr is still more value than crit

[pale crescent]

convoke is cool but I find it disturbing a bit, also hard to play w.o incarnation

[royal zenith]

thoughts?

[pale crescent]

I didn't play sinse dragonflight 🙂

[lofty depot]

Well that was 1 instance of it being better

[royal zenith]

vs Elune's chosen you mean?

or the actual talent

[pale crescent]

ah yes

[lofty depot]

It wasn't always better

[royal zenith]

the usual discussion is Ec in m+ and stacked aoe

Kotg anything else

[smoky prawn]

ye thats why i restated to mostly

[lofty depot]

Why

[pale crescent]

I'm reading currently

tho raidbots says dru simulation is too bugged atm

[lofty depot]

Ignore that

[pale crescent]

OK 🙂

[lofty depot]

Answer question

[pale crescent]

well prefered a turrel gameplay, now with the active skill eclipse it's a bit different, more fun but less comfy

[lofty depot]

Woe doesn't exist so no

[pale crescent]

I see 😄

ty man

[lofty depot]

U can still turret spam surges

[royal zenith]

playstyle hardly actually changed

[lofty depot]

Convoke is burst damage... And always pressed with CA. The active skill eclipse doesn't matter because we never pressed convoke with a natty eclipse

In m+ convoke wasn't used aswell.

Wowhead

[smoky prawn]

wowhead

[craggy sonnet]

This could very well be a localized thing btw. As in, a byproduct of the talents and apl

[lofty depot]

I will be ignoring all naysayers

[royal zenith]

you just want to sound interesting

while talking about agame

lolnerd

[lofty depot]

Down with all m+ers

[royal zenith]

I really hope tuning will shake up things

cause man

pure depression

[lofty depot]

What depression?

Or u just mean damage on the top and bottom?

[royal zenith]

I dunno, everything is pretty shit

maybe I'm just a wow hater atm

[lofty depot]

Could be the best moonkin has felt in a while

Never know

Could be more of the same

The cope is we do damage to adds

[nimble tangle]

I just don’t want such a complicated rotation or priority

[lofty depot]

Go hit a target dummy, it's not that complicated it just looks that way

Muscle memory will take over if u just play it out

[nimble tangle]

I hit ST dummy in dorn whole night

And I couldn’t sleep

Only good news is I hit more DPS than sims

[carmine vigil]

good morning

[nimble tangle]

I’m still up

[carmine vigil]

me too

[nimble tangle]

No sleep

[lofty depot]

U slam aram all night or

[carmine vigil]

yes

[lofty depot]

That's crazy

[carmine vigil]

im very excited to sleep--> wake up and do 32 m0s

[lofty depot]

Just wait til next week when u do 32x7days

[carmine vigil]

god that sounds glorious I love world of warcraft

[fast elm]

I really dislike the new Starfire animation for nelfs in glyph of stars

Hope they revert it

[royal zenith]

hey dwilkz are you playing devourer or scalecommander?

[lofty depot]

BM hunter

[sour rampart]

If anyone actually does that

Yuck

[lofty depot]

👀

Gotta have 10 more ilvls than everyone cuz I'm 15% behind

[sour rampart]

I can't imagine burning myself out even doing a world tour of m0 next week on one character daily heading into m+ week

It's 6 ilvls lol

[lofty depot]

Have u considered not getting burned out

[sour rampart]

I'm gonna do a m0 world tour

On Tuesday the 17th then craft

[lofty depot]

We moved first week Tuesday raid to Wednesday, but I'll likely do my 2 characters m0 on Tuesday and if I need a piece or 2 from a dungeon that on Wednesday

Ezpz

[sour rampart]

Yeah we moved our first two to wed too

[round field]

hi @carmine vigil how is league grind going

[carmine vigil]

got challenger peaked 1107LP rank 200 been playing aram and decay games past couple weeks

[round field]

wdym

challenger 1107

[carmine vigil]

north american cutoffs are much lower than euq

euw

[royal zenith]

the numbers what do they mean

[round field]

jesus

youd still be in masters on euw 🤣

[carmine vigil]

too many villagers

[round field]

thats diabolical

[royal zenith]

there's a reason why certain people use US rank xxx

[round field]

im proud of you

true

[royal zenith]

instead of world

[round field]

na chall is same as eune chall

[carmine vigil]

hell nah

that server dead asf

[round field]

theyre basically the same

na is dookie water as well

euw ladder needs jesus tbh

nuke everyone to 0 lp and give +20 -20 no mmr only lp

[vale pebble]

yea eune harder

truthnuke

[carmine vigil]

🙁

who's house can i stay at for EUW bootcamp ?

[royal zenith]

you're talking to elitists dwilkz

but iqni rn

is WASHED

[round field]

i am turbo washed lowkey

[carmine vigil]

id never been past 200lp until like 4 months ago

[carmine vigil]

then finished last szn 595lp gm then got challenger this season

i played on a diff account than previous seasons and got flamed so many times for it

[round field]

i am legally not allowed to pick anything other than aurora if i want to win

anything else i int

[carmine vigil]

im a literal 1trick lee sin

[round field]

me when

+19 lp at 60% wr

[royal zenith]

reminds me of your days as a dh

[round field]

[dire osprey]

-30 +11

💀

[carmine vigil]

there was a +10 before all the losses too

[round field]

lmao

[royal zenith]

what is LP

Im not a LoL knower

[round field]

rank system

every 100 you earn you move up 1 tier

[royal zenith]

well, yeah

I got that far.. that it's a ranking system...

[dire osprey]

m+ score except everytime u deplete u lose triple what u gain

[carmine vigil]

league points

[round field]

and then at apex tiers its one big ladder with lp cutoffs

[dire osprey]

[carmine vigil]

its the chess elo system

except terrible

[royal zenith]

bro thinks I know chess systems

[round field]

its like

[royal zenith]

I perma live irl

[round field]

rio title cutoff

but u can lose rio

[royal zenith]

how much points do you get winning?

like 11?

versus 30 losing?

[round field]

depends on your mmr

[carmine vigil]

The Elo system is a method for calculating the relative skill levels of players in zero-sum games, originally created by Arpad Elo for chess. It ranks players based on match outcomes, where a win against a higher-rated player gains more points than a win against a lower-rated player

[dire osprey]

like arena rating if u guys heard of the minigame pvp before

[royal zenith]

oh so higher rank less points

[round field]

if its working normally and ur kinda where u belong

its 20 20

[carmine vigil]

they griefed the ladder this season

[royal zenith]

ah check I got it

[carmine vigil]

normally having a high winrate would make you gain more and lose less

[round field]

ye they did some vile things and its questionable

[lofty depot]

Doesnt look like that's true with urs

U be losing a lot

[carmine vigil]

ye they tried to deflate the ladder

everyones was like that

its supposed to be " fixed " nopw

[buoyant ridge]

Buff bamkin

[carmine vigil]

+1

[lofty depot]

Tomorrow for sure

[buoyant ridge]

buff huge bamkin buffs

[lofty depot]

Just prey they nerf the tierset but correctly compensation mathing

[buoyant ridge]

3% aura buff incom

[pliant tiger]

Are we really ingnoring the talent nod Total Eclipse? It's at least fun when it procs

[lofty depot]

Fun when u don't have anything to pair it with

All it is, is the other eclipse. It's not procing CA/incarn. So it's just a shit node

[round field]

fun is irrelevant

only numbers matter

there is no fun to be found in this godforsaken spec

[pliant tiger]

I found moonkin fun to play in the current expansion 🙂 Numbers could get better with tuning 🙂

[round field]

thats good to hear

happy for you

[gentle scroll]

Procing mini incarn would have been way better

[round field]

so ur saying

just bring back pulsar

[royal zenith]

don't bring back pulsar

[round field]

tbh

[royal zenith]

mini CA on a button is fine

[round field]

as much as i hate pulsar

removing pulsar and giving nothing is worse than not removing pulsar

[royal zenith]

I don't hate pulsar when it was up

just losing it felt utterly trash

but the playstyle in itself made more sense than current eclipse

[round field]

pov adds spawn in 20 sec but ur 270 pulsar stacks

do u a) proc it and lose dps
b) overcap a lot of ap
c) tiger dash off the edge

[delicate wharf]

Quick question - On dream grove it mentions to spend Ascendant Eclipse procs as soon as you get them, but does that not just trigger when you enter an eclipse anyway or is it referencing the buffed surge and falls?

[lofty depot]

It means the 20% buff to surge/starfall

[delicate wharf]

Ahh ok so it's just reclarifying the "DUMP YOUR DAMN ASTRAL" when you go into eclipse

tyty

[lofty depot]

Yea, which in the opener is a sometimes different depending on u talenting NB or not

But specifically want to spend them in this instance if u were to solar eclipse prior to incarning, u still want to use all 3 stacks before incarning

[delicate wharf]

Makes sense, cheers

[lean bronze]

Guys, got a couple of QUESTIONS here stemming from contradicting videos I've watched on boomy for PvP and even some PvE:

[royal zenith]

hopefully we got some ANSWERS

[lean bronze]

1. If I am running Elune's Chosen, I saw Supatease still Wrath spamming for PvP while in Lunar Eclipse. Is this correct to do? Why wasn't he spamming Starfire? This was from a video he posted a month ago called "Boomkin Midnight Prepatchj Fun Build". I know it's a prepatch adn not level 90 build at the time, but he still was filling with Wrath. Is it because it's quicker and it doesnt matter the damage for Starfire unless it's a free cast?

[royal zenith]

@potent cargo this is your domain

[lean bronze]

2. If I got KotG, a lot of builds are NOT opting to run Fury of Elune and instead run Denizen of the Dream. Yay or nay?

@royal zenith Thank you for the help on getting ANSWERS 😛

[lofty depot]

Would assume u wanted more burst damage rather than random passive damage. But idk what context it is

[royal zenith]

I'm guessing it's just extreme pain to cast starfires in pvp

[lofty depot]

Wrath thing seems odd, but casting Starfire is cringe so idk

[lean bronze]

yes^^^

it makes a little bit of sense, like just filling to gain astral power

[royal zenith]

is this rbg*

[lean bronze]

do you gain more astral power with starfire in lunar eclipse? or they are the same

rbg, arena, blitz, solo shuffle, idc

let's say arena

or bgs where people are trying to actually kill me and i cant free cast, but im not getting stomped on necessarily?

[spice roost]

#pvp

[lean bronze]

i guess i could go there

[royal zenith]

in rbg I can see you casting wrath to stay mobile and still generate asp for starsurges/starfall

but that's just applying logic

ah fysh replied just that