its even more empty imo
#balance
formal crest
Ur buddy has brain lag
Some guy said Soma has brain lag and kicked him from raid.
lucid olive
Some guy said Soma has brain lag and kicked him from raid.
đ
formal crest
Your new pfp scares me
lucid olive
it's not new it's just in here
dense steeple
Some guy said Soma has brain lag and kicked him from raid.
I posted it here yesterday
They saw
My gasts were flabbered so I posted it in like 6 disc's I frequent
I titled the log "roguename got me kicked"
lofty depot
Some guy said Soma has brain lag and kicked him from raid.
both can be true
dense steeple
Also true
maiden pasture
My gasts were flabbered so I posted it in like 6 disc's I frequent
The sextuple post goes hard
dense steeple
drifting nova
are more reps ever getting smushed together
I cba hopping on 10chars to find that 1 that is exalted
fossil hemlock
Only shadowlands onwards
drifting nova
yeah they said theyd do it every now and again
and have probably run into issues
and just not doing it
the original goal was ALL
drifting nova
whats a revered guild on rio
is why I was asking if now..a new xpac
if more are planned or
cursive mirage
Hey @lucid olive theyâre going to have my Internet fixed on the 5th. Thanks for all youâve done to help.
lucid olive
Hey <@147914503588282368> theyâre going to have my Internet fixed on the 5th. Th...
Np buddy
and thanks for lending me your Lamborghini that was sweet
cursive mirage
Anything for my boy
Anyone not letting Gamz take the lambo for a spin should probably examine their lives tbh.
lucid olive
dense steeple
what a bad devourer vault
stone ledge
You didnât do 8 keys in prepatch thatâs why
signal cave
Yo! Got a question: Is it worth using the free Starsurge in Mythic+ AoE Situations and the other way around free Starfall on SingleTarget Bosses?
exotic perch
youd just surge the priority target if you are playing weaver
and spend it on bosses when it happens yea
signal cave
Starfall even on lonly Bosses? I see. THank you
normal pilot
it's free and free is supposed to be better than not free
altho you could be excused for questioning that when it comes to wow class design
dense steeple
You didnât do 8 keys in prepatch thatâs why
i did 4
nova ocean
It also procs more shooting stars if u have the talent
pseudo merlin
btw can you get the mythic visuals on old sets somehow
or is it just auto when you clear mythic in an old raid
or maybe it was hc i dont remember
true viper
Wow buffs
minor anchor
Matted Fur is legit now
torn brook
minor anchor
I will clicking the Shield GG
nova ocean
I can't believe they nerfed regrowth
delicate perch
Weâre so back login
nova ocean
Our self healing is so shit lol
daring gull
this doesnt change much does it? its just moving the damage right
delicate perch
Our self healing is so shit lol
âCanât believe they nerfed a button we donât press for healing anywayâ
nova ocean
Yes I dont think this is gonna do much
delicate perch
nova ocean
âCanât believe they nerfed a button we donât press for healing anywayâ
But we press it for Dr so it would be nice for it to actually heal
minor anchor
No
delicate perch
No it would not be
nova ocean
No one gonna cast wild growth no matter how much it's buffed
true viper
minor anchor
Wild Growth from HotW is legit
delicate perch
stealing that
nova ocean
U probably will take matted fue since there's nothing good for the extra points we get in midnight
minor anchor
Agreed
daring gull
its just free since we got so many points
vital hound
lofty depot
this doesnt change much does it? its just moving the damage right
What do u mean moving the damage
delicate perch
You heard him
minor anchor
What was the Denizen damage % of overall?
quick snow
What do u mean moving the damage
he means because there are also nerfs and asks if its net neutral i guess
lofty depot
Denzien wasn't that big lol
vital hound
You heard him
ripe slate
number go up 
void jacinth
denizen washington
lofty depot
Stellar amp diff is kinda curious
daring gull
What do u mean moving the damage
idk i never learned to read more than 3 seconds at a time
lofty depot
I would suggest stop reading what the blue poster writes
delicate perch
I am not doing that
daring gull
but blue text shiny
delicate perch
Gamz where % notes?
lofty depot
The fuck is spirit of the thicket
minor anchor
lucid olive
The fuck is spirit of the thicket
bottom right hero talent
daring gull
until there is a pin silliness is allowed ok
lofty depot
Ok so yea just the stupid flat talent I said they would use to tune shit cuz they're stupid
lofty depot
Yeet
vital hound
expansion core feature btw
lucid olive
they're trying to balance Starfall vs Starsurge and Starfire vs Wrath
and that's fine
lofty depot
Dont want to get that aura buff too high
merry ibex
Well those buffs seem....underwhelming considering how bad we currently are
lucid olive
the denizen nerf is a bit weird but who cares
minor anchor
Its super weird, because u know what actually needs the nerf
sudden marsh
is it keepers in all content now? đ
minor anchor
shooting stars
lucid olive
Well those buffs seem....underwhelming considering how bad we currently are
the current tuning in pre-patch doesn't matter
vital hound
the denizen nerf is a bit weird but who cares
its in line with the "we want you pressing buttons to do the damages" thing they said ages back
lucid olive
shooting stars
wrong
lofty depot
is it keepers in all content now? đ
Hopefully, so they rework ec
minor anchor
Those rng procs are little bit too good rn
daring gull
i think this build has potential
sudden pawn
exotic perch
and no apex cmon man
lofty depot
No CDs hell ya
nova ocean
That's a Elon musk approved build
minor anchor
Firnament
lofty depot
Someone ban him.
minor anchor
no shot...
quiet drift
i think this build has potential
Delve build
copper gate
I cant wait to be told what to think about these changes
merry ibex
the current tuning in pre-patch doesn't matter
Tuning can always happen its true but unless we massively gain more value from the missing hero talents and apex talents than everyone else
aren't we still behind once we hit max level in midnight?
lucid olive
Tuning can always happen its true but unless we massively gain more value from t...
This is the 3rd round of tuning for beta since pre-patch came out
lofty depot
lucid olive
pre-patch tuning does not matter
the environment on beta is different
it also does not matter if the expansion releases and you're doing 20% less dmg than other classes
copper gate
Iâm content being a B tier spec (B for Boomkin)
lucid olive
because it is still 2 weeks from any real content releasing
minor anchor
And its heroic week tier
with real bosses not even exsiting early
so youre chilling
sudden pawn
HOW DOES MOONKIN STILL SUCK IM SO MAD MAN GRRRRRRRRR WOOF WOOF WOOF AWOOOOO AAAAAAAA 
I CANT TAKE IT
daring gull
because it is still 2 weeks from any real content releasing
wdym we just had so much content. we got a title for swimming
lofty depot
The problem.... Is that other specs keep getting buffed
And lock isn't getting nerfed
lucid olive
its tuning season, shit happens
lofty depot
Nuke the locks
loud kettle
regrowth is too powerful, right guys?
lucid olive
its the same every patch cycle or expac release
nova ocean
The problem.... Is that other specs keep getting buffed
This
minor anchor
loud kettle
wg almost certainly buffs hotw wg too
lucid olive
also unless you're clearing the raid in a top 20 guild why do you even care
you can play moonkin in every type of content
daring gull
blizzard ignoring boomys? more likely than you think
lofty depot
Cuz my damage grr
loud kettle
complaining is fun, so being given reasons to is goated
lucid olive
its the same complaining every patch cycle
loud kettle
overpowered or else gamz
lofty depot
I think these are new complainers tho
lucid olive
also funny that its the same people complaining every patch cycle getting told it doesn't matter
guess they never learn innit
lofty depot
Nuhuh, different people
dense steeple
sturdy pumice
i texted Ion
lofty depot
We boomie still booming right?
Hope it crashes ur cdm
misty vapor
i hoped to get a bit more ST through starsurge đ
daring gull
he says we're so back
nimble tangle
Hope it crashes ur cdm
Uninstall now
ionic oak
Sup yall. Happy new years.
We out here booming or nah?
lofty depot
Nah
sturdy pumice
bro new years was like a month ago
minor anchor
Chinese one coming up soon
sturdy pumice
No Chyna
ionic oak
Weâll be booming before its all over yall. Dont give up.
misty vapor
oblique mountain
Regrowth direct healing reduced by 15%. is this change from an old build or is this a new change?
balmy light
resto nerf we are the buff class!!
lofty depot
Regrowth direct healing reduced by 15%. is this change from an old build or is ...
They don't like us hybrid classes actually being hybrids
minor anchor
btw i implied the Wild Growth buff buffs HotW, i no longer think that
loud kettle
its the same wild growth
sturdy pumice
you can heal 5 people for 30% of their hp every 2min
thats for going bear form and soaking stuff now. make healers do their own job
loud kettle
so they'd have to purposefully avoid buffing hotw
somber path
matted fur buff they really want people to take that talent
minor anchor
its really good now
loud kettle
i wouldnt say really good đ
minor anchor
Lowkey barkskin might be BACK
nimble tangle
Iâm fine with mattered fur
misty vapor
matted fur buff they really want people to take that talent
2 point talent lol
loud kettle
but yes 100% makes it a consideration ig
minor anchor
as in back to being goated defensive
minor anchor
Its almost 20% Absorb shield
shut rose
because it is still 2 weeks from any real content releasing
you mean a month and a half
delicate perch
Yeah when do you get it though
shut rose
minor anchor
when do you get the shield?
delicate perch
A 20% shield for a 2 point talent when you already have dr does not sound goated
minor anchor
its 20% when i need it the most
minor anchor
i personally press barkskin before im about to take the most dmg
lucid olive
you mean a month and a half
2 weeks from the expansion releasing
misty vapor
Make it when barkskin fades maybe
yes
lucid olive
read the context
minor anchor
so like, ill take the shield
delicate perch
And how often do you die through it
Because if you say ever then you shouldâve beared instead
minor anchor
Never, but thats flawed argument in a raid encounter for example
delicate perch
No itâs not
misty vapor
why don't we have survival instincts ?
minor anchor
we do not
delicate perch
@drifting nova is this your brother
misty vapor
i would be glad to put 2 talent put to have survival instincts
lucid olive
so you're probably using it anyway
minor anchor
I said Barkskin is goated
minor anchor
its 20% !
shut rose
2 weeks from the expansion releasing
technically 3 because 2 wks would be feb 17th, and its feb 26th, so 3wks
drifting nova
<@253616853157412865> is this your brother
whomst
sudden marsh
do we know already on how many targets we enter lunar and cast starfire in M+ with Keeper Build?
lucid olive
do we know already on how many targets we enter lunar and cast starfire in M+ wi...
no
make some shit up
tender elbow
Lads we are doing +5% damage with Starsurge, we will be on top of the meters again đ
sudden marsh
okay its 3
delicate perch
Depends
sudden marsh
no would be too complicated
sudden marsh
pin it and ship it
delicate perch
Itâs 6.2 in incarn and the .2 depends on your vers levels at the moment of casting
lucid olive
there are 4 numbers to find out
What target count do you enter Lunar over Solar?
What target count is it worth casting Starfire while already in Lunar?
What target count do you Starfire while in CA/Incarn?
What target count do you Starfire the instant cast Ascendant Eclipse proc while in CA/Incarn?
misty vapor
I don't understand why they nerfed this : Stellar Amplification increases your periodic effect damage on affected targets by 16% (was 20%). It is purely ST damage no ? and we are not performing that well in ST ....
lofty depot
I don't understand why they nerfed this : Stellar Amplification increases your p...
Lowering the effectiveness of surging in aoe
dense steeple
why cant i upgrade things to runed
lofty depot
Not high enough ilvl silly
dense steeple
every piece of gear im wearing needs gilded crests except 1
and that one needs 10 runed crests to need gilded
grim mirage
I heard there was a bug with reshi cloak
Try equip another cloack with some ilvl that leaves you above ilvl for achievment it should work
wanton island
^ This ^ Had to buy a cloak from the pre-patch vendor and upgrade it as a work around.
sudden marsh
gamz you streaming some beta keys later?
pseudo merlin
gamz doesnt mini game
lucid olive
gamz you streaming some beta keys later?
no
potent cargo
expert not streaming keys?
I for one would really love to see you press starfire and starfall 200 times in a dungeon very ravishing content
stone ledge
Gamz doesnât need to practice heâs already the goat
potent cargo
you could put any boomy in a top key group and they will do the same im sure
spectator spec
vibe hire
lost roost
Is it worthwhile to refresh DoTs during eclipse, or should I wait until eclipse is done to refresh if they wear off in the middle of eclipse?
stone ledge
I literally had a m+ weakaura that would make a sound when i hit 90 ap to hit starfall and watched Netflix doing my weekly +10s for vault
minor anchor
Is it worthwhile to refresh DoTs during eclipse, or should I wait until eclipse ...
U should refresh them in eclipse if they will fall of. But if you have a choice to refresh them (in pandemic) either inside or outside eclipse it should be a minor gain to do it outside the eclipse
but im a random vibe-playing so get this confirmed by actual real data
lofty depot
That's also a sim question
bleak rivet
also unless you're clearing the raid in a top 20 guild why do you even care
because now liquid/echo will never notice me on boomie!
pallid bay
They won't notice you cause you play boomkin
bleak rivet
Exactly, no other reason.
manic plume
If I'm specc'd incarn - the total eclipse proc is also incarn right
lucid olive
If I'm specc'd incarn - the total eclipse proc is also incarn right
total eclipse just procs both eclipses
it doesnt give the haste from CA or the crit from incarn or any of the other passive buffs to either, like elunes guidance or astral insight
lofty depot
lies
dusty bluff
so... balance good again? đ
bleak rivet
THEY STOLE .025 DAM
so if we play poorly in a key we can be like sorry guys im bugged .025 of my dmg, its not my fault
lofty depot
not bugg
lofty depot
so... balance good again? đ
doubt
junior parcel
It's a lot of small buffs to a lot of things that might culminate in being better
Hard to judge because there's no "this now does double damage" type stuff in there
bleak rivet
if you dont let me have excuses, im nothing
lofty depot
It's a lot of small buffs to a lot of things that might culminate in being bette...
no
rotund sparrow
Yo, as I'm currently working on my own eclipse bar I've got a quick question about total eclipse. I do get that having both eclipses up is a gain as they end up buffing our spenders, but woule there be a situation where you would recast eclipse early to change eclipse, therefore losing uptime on eclipse itself?
So basically would you ever play around this talent or is it just a couple % on spenders?
dusty bluff
I mean, better than it was before the patch notes⌠no?
A lot of big numbers in there, hard to believe that doesnât move the needle
lofty depot
Yo, as I'm currently working on my own eclipse bar I've got a quick question abo...
if u recast ur eclipse it cancels the other
rotund sparrow
if u recast ur eclipse it cancels the other
Yes I know that's why I'm asking if you would drop eclipse uptime (which you do to my understanding, as you waste the uptime of the cancelled eclipse) ooor if you'd just let current eclipse expire and cast the suboptimal generator for the current eclipse
lofty depot
wasting eclipse uptime sounds not smart
rotund sparrow
alright that's good, thank you
potent cargo
A lot of big numbers in there, hard to believe that doesnât move the needle
10% increase on 0 is still 0 type shit
yk what i mean
we are in the bin
need a 30% aura buff
dusty bluff
30% of 0 is still 0
merry ibex
guys we are saved. instead of doing negative damage we are doing zero damage with these buffs
im stoked
lofty depot
guys we are saved. instead of doing negative damage we are doing zero damage wit...
u could be feral and get no changes
sinful stone
Is the choice node between Whirling Stars and Orbital Strike bugged? Whirling is meant to give two charges AND reduce it's CD by 1 minute.
But both options give it a 2 minute CD so is that portion not working?
lofty depot
CA cd is 3m
sinful stone
So weird, my tooltip is 2 minutes for both
lofty depot
i dont think u understand
lucid olive
if you dont take either of the talents then CA is 3 minutes
lofty depot
the base cd is 3m... and both lower it to 2m
meager storm
yes CA is 3 mins, whirling makes it 2 mins 2 charges and orbital strike makes it 2 mins 1 big cd
lucid olive
1 "big" cd
lofty depot
it has "flare"
meager storm
i see it
sinful stone
Ohhhh okay cheers lads. Was mega confused for a minute there. Is the two charge one better? I love big buttons so OS would mentally tick the boxes lol
normal pilot
where's the no-CA build
lofty depot
i think this build has potential
@normal pilot
lucid olive
Ohhhh okay cheers lads. Was mega confused for a minute there. Is the two charge ...
yeah the 2 charges is generally better, but if orbital strike activates your dopamine receptors then go ahead
normal pilot
does os even do damage
lofty depot
yea they should make OS be 1m
meager storm
whenever the procced moon from the convoke does any damage we will get changes
so never
ggs
go next
sudden pawn
if ur really lucky youll proc the golden moon
normal pilot
they should make OS drop moons on everyone
sudden pawn
its supposedly 1 in a billion that ur full moon is golden
normal pilot
but it's random which moon you get
abstract parrot
u could be feral and get no changes
dense steeple
paper sighting
lofty depot
trying to think of a server u 2 share
fleet hearth
Hi all. I'm a long time feral main who is feeling kinda... homeless... coming into midnight. How are y'all feeling about balance going into the new expansion? Should I give it a whirl or is it a flop too?
potent cargo
paper sighting
Get him in
candid frigate
Feral seems to be forgotten by bliz, it's worth looking into resto though
fleet hearth
Ugh, I hate this timeline. I've been playing my druid since vanilla and this is the first time ever I feel uninterested.
lofty depot
@lyric stag thats crazy
candid frigate
all these drastic changes coming shortly before expansion release is freaking me out
lucid olive
thats what a prepatch is
shut lodge
Hi all. I'm a long time feral main who is feeling kinda... homeless... coming in...
in my opinion its too early for this decision, its still almost a month to midnight release, feral can get some love too, but its sad that he is ignored last balance notes.. for now its better to go bala than feral if you want dps only
unreal loom
Is balance druid good in midnight pvp wise?
I am trying to pick it up and I have been playing the class but I am kinda new to retail
lofty depot
all these drastic changes coming shortly before expansion release is freaking me...
what changes were "drastic"
lofty depot
Is balance druid good in midnight pvp wise?
- #pvp
- theres like 12 people that pvp, just be better than the other 9
normal pilot
can't really tell about pvp this early. they can do large tuning even after the game launched so you'll need to wait a few weeks to tell if a spec will be good in pvp or not
wicked shuttle
what changes were "drastic"
I suspect he just thinks the class tuning itself is drastic even though all of the changes are only tuning and not gameplay changes rlly
lofty depot
if you think the numbers are big... theyre not.
if you think the numbers are small... they are.
delicate perch
paper sighting
đĽ
rotund gull
Moonkin is deader than feral
Is moonkin still dead after today patch?
lofty depot
at least a few
delicate perch
I will ask my RL
Yep be quick, play a purple class or something
lucid olive
<@147914503588282368> where's the pin that says how much dps increase the patch...
idk make one
pseudo merlin
K
lucid olive
its about 6-7%
pseudo merlin
Big
lucid olive
thats made up
lucid olive
thats true
its provocative
we just need to screw up some code in warcraftlogs and make it look like moonkin is blasting
abstract parrot
w made up information
pseudo merlin
lofty depot
we just need to screw up some code in warcraftlogs and make it look like moonkin...
it might be easier to make other classes worse
twin lotus
big starfall buffs
can't wait for someone who actually knows math come around and say, "yeah this is actually a 2% nerf"
lofty depot
well if ur starfall does 25% of ur damage.... 10% is only a 2.5% aoe inc
could be a small inc on st if we run weaver
potent cargo
part of me is like yes hopefully we do for dopamine
but then if we do parses are gonna be so goblined
lofty depot
theyll just remove adds from the parses eventually
true viper
we just need to screw up some code in warcraftlogs and make it look like moonkin...
have u played beta m+
I cant tell if im a chud or this spec is actually the worst in history
lofty depot
well u played feral for the tier
lucid olive
its been a couple weeks
lofty depot
so yes ur a chud
delicate perch
I cant tell if im a chud or this spec is actually the worst in history
Vault checks returning soon 
true viper
Vault checks returning soon <a:login:1275791659052961844>
Fax
granite moat
well i was pretty adamant on going druid for launch, now im skeptical
lofty depot
whats the problem
granite moat
it sucks
while thats going on, devourer presses 2 buttons '-' this is stupid
maybe resto still playable
lofty depot
if ur not in a top 20 guild u should just play better than that player
specs are generally within 5-10% of each other and dont actually matter
granite moat
thats beside the point. if it were middle of the pack or something it would be totally ok
its like bottom 3?
lofty depot
its prepatch its not anything
and its been actively bottom 5 for multiple tiers and u couldve played it just fine like most of us
granite moat
and even if it got simpler rotation now, more predictable, its not exactly pepega rotation
i did
the AoE could be good if you set it up properly, so there was that
granite moat
even if you have to keep tracking sunfire and moonfire like before, you are not punished as harshly for letting it drop
at least thats how it feels
granite moat
just general playing, which is worth nothing
again, besides the point, damage is too low right now
at least it doesnt feel shit like playing devourer
lofty depot
our damage has never been "too low" to not be taken
rwf is fake
play better get taken
granite moat
i'll prob still go druid anyway, just ranting and hoping for a 10% increase on all damage next few days
sometimes, im certain blizzard is afraid of buffing boomkin cus of stupid 2x4 farms
lofty depot
the fuck is a 2x4 farm
lofty depot
blud thinks blizzard isnt buffing boomkin because loot farm
granite moat
well its actually quite effective '-'
lofty depot
come say that to me in your trenchcoat if you have one
says the dork that owns one
lofty depot
thats crazy
sudden pawn
its tiny dont worry
eager raft
Nice man lookin good
eager raft
Teach me
final basin
Late to the party here. Finally gonna setup some sort of ui. Took a peak at wowhead and gonna copy Gamz "raiding interface". Was just wondering which additional addons to download? Can't find the info on which ones he has on the picture.
wicked shuttle
sometimes, im certain blizzard is afraid of buffing boomkin cus of stupid 2x4 fa...
This is an insane conspiracy, I love it LOL
vale pebble
This is an insane conspiracy, I love it LOL
thats not a conspiracy hes right...
ive seen the emails
pallid bay
ive seen the kotick epstein emails, he's right..
vale pebble
wicked shuttle
I think weâre due
round field
when u think about it
its epsteins fault wow tokens exist
he turned the game pay to win
abstract parrot
river galleon
Are we dead spec rn?
stone ledge
Prepatch doesnât matter, first 2 weeks of release donât matter tuning will come
round field
that wasnt the question tho was it
round field
Are we dead spec rn?
yes
river galleon
Ok so we are dead
stone ledge
Sigh
delicate perch
are we also dead tomorrow? thanks
delicate perch
gg
stone ledge
Just cremate the whole spec
river galleon
Maybe if we start complaining about spec on discord we might have some buffs. All 5 balance players have to join this.
wicked shuttle
Nope
Either play and have fun or reroll
Blizz will do whatever theyâre gonna do
wicked shuttle
You think we wouldâve sucked for this long if I had any influence?
If bamkin sucks Iâm logging back on Aug
river galleon
We have to put some balance mains into Blizzard balance team. Sneak them up, wait two weeks not to make it obvious and then boom we buff everything slowly.
ripe tinsel
Just close this discord. Make a big mad post about it on the WoW forums. And profit? Worked for Paladins.
delicate perch
pull some strings
they defs just nerf whatever tettles plays...
wicked shuttle
Iâm 99% sure the Paladin discord getting closed and ret getting buffed are unrelated events
fossil hemlock
I'm 100% sure it is
delicate perch
there's no way they give a shit about discord groups
imagine they shut down and blizzard just nerfs them again
cerulean light
balance being bad at least we can swap to our superior dps spec feral and still do tank damage.
wicked shuttle
Thatâs right
ripe tinsel
Gearing a DH Dev and playing an actual 2 button spec (3 if Aldrachi) after playing Moonkin for years is a culture shock and a half though.
delicate perch
is the culture shock that there are specs with less buttons than us now
sudden flame
fossil hemlock
Gearing a DH Dev and playing an actual 2 button spec (3 if Aldrachi) after playi...
I think you forgot to change your spec to devourer if you're aldrachi
delicate perch
forgot to log out too
ripe tinsel
I think you forgot to change your spec to devourer if you're aldrachi
Bah Void-scarred* I'm new to the class like I said haha
worthy olive
is Boomkin now back? đŽ
livid jay
now? did i miss something? đ
worthy olive
With the Class tuning
river galleon
Maybe if they atleast delete GCD from Eclipse thingy just like CA it helps a bit
livid jay
yea that would be big qol
stone ledge
Iâm 99% sure the Paladin discord getting closed and ret getting buffed are unrel...
We close down just in case of the 1%
delicate perch
is Boomkin now back? đŽ
yep
real flax
Prepatch doesnât matter, first 2 weeks of release donât matter tuning will come
bruh we can't wait ages to get tunned
like 'nothing matters bc they will make changes after rwf' is bullshit
pliant trellis
Do we have overall % dps won with this class tuning pls ?
real flax
we want balance to be good day 1
tired granite
@pallid bay bro is he charging PER addon???
vale pebble
We close down just in case of the 1%
this is the greed they talk about in the bible
gets buffed by 15% 2 patches in a row
livid jay
you read the bible?
vale pebble
and asks to get more buffs
candid hemlock
Is there any good addons to get this cooldown manager to be decent?
I miss my old WA....
pallid bay
everything lowkey sucks for one reason or another ngl
betterCDM is prob the most popular one
candid hemlock
Gonna check that one
sudden flame
Oiui
vale pebble
#oiui
livid jay
ArcUI is also pretty decent now
mild chasm
Been out to long to tell but 12.0.1 didnt sound to bad for us now or am i mistaken?
livid jay
numbers were shit
tuning is happening tho
gotta see where it goes
gameplay is fine, maybe a bit on the boring side
grim mirage
I'm no expert in boomkin but it feels like no big changes
-> buff starfall as Keeper of the grove = we dont play this hero tanlent in AOE
-> currently not a lot of build playing with mushrooms dunno if it will be worth
-> nerf to denizen mosly affect ST but starsurge buff is only 5%
-> Goldrin wasn't played so wathever
-> starfall up is ok MM+ and adding a little prio targent into starfire is nice but not gamechanger
In the end ST remains sames, little improvment in AOE
Feel happy to say i'm all wrong i've been playing moonkin for 1 week ahah đ
pallid bay
well you can just
jaunty blaze
It doesn't really matter now
pallid bay
buff spec aura
what matters more is that the numbers of the abilities are tuned properly
if abilities do the "correct" amount of damage they can just buff all damage done if we're behind the pack
delicate perch
I'm no expert in boomkin but it feels like no big changes
-> buff starfall as Ke...
nope you're on the ball! #buffboomkin
pallid bay
idk i really feel like
who cares
there's like no change they can do thats exciting
cause the talents arent very exciting
they should turbobuff foe/moons tbh
moons should be insane button press
remove the AP gain maybe
jaunty blaze
Actually funny they just let moons to rot
pallid bay
let the talent be a damage button not a generator
pallid bay
we need mobility
pallid bay
what spec has a spender that also has a cd
surely there is some obvious one im not thinking of
round field
breath is tecnically a spender
pallid bay
@fossil hemlock lets hear it
round field
or did it
fossil hemlock
I was gonna ask what kind of CD you're talking about
Because aimed shot is a spender with a CD but almost definitely not what you mean
meager storm
yuh
fossil hemlock
Yes but I think the majority still comes from rapid fire and steady shots
Secret technique for sub is a spender with a CD
round field
i actually cant think of anything
fossil hemlock
You can spec arcane orb into being a spender (it's tuned too shit to consider)
loud kettle
what spec has a spender that also has a cd
Does every healer count
pallid bay
healers never count
loud kettle
Counting is hard
jaunty blaze
Deleted đ
pallid bay
đŚ
round field
idk what ur talking about
pallid bay
yeah i think not a gen/spender
simply a cd
you shouldnt be pressing it so you can press a spender
real flax
Is there any good addons to get this cooldown manager to be decent?
Enhance QoL
pallid bay
it should simply do enough damage that its worth pressing
delete denizen
delete sunseeker
real flax
we can always reroll bear đ
round field
it should simply do enough damage that its worth pressing
make it a passive that makes eclipse drop a full moon which dumps all ur ap and increased dmg based on how much it spent
and also give 3 starlord stacks
pallid bay
make it a passive that makes eclipse drop a full moon which dumps all ur ap and ...
đ´
livid jay
hell yea i love wrathing in eclipse
fossil hemlock
Are you sure you're not just describing arcane
livid jay
pallid bay
moons should be about managing charge economy for damage windows
round field
Are you sure you're not just describing arcane
i did steal the idea from mage
and frostfire bolt
pallid bay
moons should be about managing charge economy for damage windows
this sounds smart thats why its true
grim mirage
They could make moon damage propotionnal to AP spent during CA windows for exemple that would create some min maxing
But Blizz is trying to suppress this kind of mec
To flatten skill expression
pallid bay
i think umbral embrace should be a reactive proc
not just mindlessly consumed by your rotation
elune's guidance also needs a rework
for convoke at least
meager storm
df s3
real flax
the design is pathetic
pallid bay
it cant be that the capstone supposed to enhance your cooldown is a damage loss in all scenarios
meager storm
everything went downhill after they removed pulsar
meager storm
everything went downhill after they removed pulsar
u are so right king
meager storm
u are so right king
i know
real flax
i would pref to have a massive st spender with more cd than having to cast it 3 times to deal some damage
fossil hemlock
where was the last time moons really mattered?
Moons were fun with pulsar during SL s3/s4
real flax
Moons were fun with pulsar during SL s3/s4
Pulsar..
pallid bay
i think moons are interesting
fossil hemlock
I mean I don't want the old version of pulsar to return
pallid bay
press on cd/manage charges/manage charges + cycle
fossil hemlock
i think moons are interesting
I think they could be, but they're really not hitting the same rotational mark as they did back in legion
When they were a very important part of your astral power generating toolkit
cobalt flare
meager storm
we want moons to hit hard not to give ap man 
real flax
it has to be a single button not 3 in 1 to be more interesting
pallid bay
false
real flax
not now but u know
pallid bay
well you need to articulate a bit better to get me on board ngl
meager storm
wasnt minor moon the highest damage per execute time we had when moons were picked
pallid bay
yeah
meager storm
i remember some funny pic
lyric kettle
that was ages ago right
pallid bay
not really its prob still the case
meager storm
df s3
real flax
rn is a dead talent
pallid bay
i havnt kept up with the buffs to moons tbf
new moon 258.4%sp/s
half moon 182.4%sp/s
full moon 140.98%sp/s
meager storm
livid jay
pallid bay
there's a lot of modifiers though
meager storm
moon is just hitting like a noodle
full moon was doing more than 2x the surge damage
now on beta its like
pallid bay
82% or so with modifiers only affecting wrath
meager storm
1.3x
pallid bay
i should finish my funny modifier sheet some day
meager storm
without any buffs, 10k surge, 13k full moon 
2.8s to cast that full moon when u can get 2 wraths and a surge out
potent cargo
https://media1.giphy.com/media/Fgfo1l3tWSd7WA1uzE/giphy.mp4?cid=73b8f7b12aed73f2...
oh look its me 
pallid bay
top G spotted
potent cargo
right next to the tomato man
potent cargo
crude cargo
12
pallid bay
whats goldrin proc chance
33%
livid jay
oh
pallid bay
45% or so
livid jay
wtf is casts on that
pallid bay
surge
livid jay
but 29 surge casts and 28 hits, did something die after the cast i guess
pallid bay
maybe
crude cargo
spell dodging is back
livid jay
mob is suppress capped
dire osprey
ngl bring back giga dam full moon
i am starting to miss the big dopamine hit from the buffed surges
even pressing convoke brings me no joy
jaunty blaze
are you even playing the game if you dont do that
jaunty blaze
you basically shake them out like that
pallid bay
keeps you on your toes
craggy sonnet
Enhance QoL
Nice addon, does nothing to the CDM tho
pseudo merlin
@drifting nova vote yes, NOW
dire osprey
try spamming a and d after pressing convoke
already added that boost 
mild chasm
I see, alot of different opinions about Balance on 12.0.1
fossil hemlock
Not me, I'm a sheep
drifting nova
<@253616853157412865> vote yes, NOW
I vote no toecerythi g so no
pseudo merlin
Why do you hate fun
pseudo merlin
ok that's based
lofty depot
I'm no expert in boomkin but it feels like no big changes
-> buff starfall as Ke...
- If by aoe u mean m+, we currently don't... But could... We played keeper on stix which was AOE.
- Tettles was running around with mushrooms. But this is a sim question so "current builds" don't matter.
- The surge buff wasn't the only thing effecting st, and it's better to have ur damage in ur abilities rather than random procs.
- Goldrinn was always played on st.
- Think they needed to add more damage to Starfire... But without a sim we don't know what target count ur using it at.
Also, looking at tuning for m+ is fake as fuck. That meta doesn't get fleshed out til .5 patches which means not only are u getting tuning before rwf, but multiple months of patches to level out and buff damage. U can do high level keys on any spec
livid jay
finally some colored name speaking
dense steeple
lofty depot
I mean.... All the frogs are coming in saying funny stuff
maiden pasture
đ¸ wassup guys đ¸
lofty depot
Damn I need a new gif
pseudo merlin
this is my fav lately
oh yeah discovered this one a few days ago
it's so fucking good
craggy sonnet
uhh .. did the surges from EC tier set not trigger stellar amp?
lofty depot
Don't think we ever ran EC with stellar amp so idk
dense steeple
Theres a guy in the ddh discord who literally cannot say anything other than a low effort joke about the class and its so annoying man. Like people trying to discuss the class and hes like "why do that just consume" "just play capitalism simulator" "they should give us a spell called throw glaives" etc. Like bro no one is giving you attention shut up holy
Dreamgrove has me spoiled
dense steeple
Kekkers sometimes has conversational messages
dense steeple
Ur lucky u get any info from it
Paper is training me in the ways of edgy purple class
livid jay
That's literally kekkers
nah kekkers regularly baits me into believing something (dumb by me i know)
livid jay
Paper is training me in the ways of edgy purple class
free my boi
i swear devour dh sounds like an unfinished dn joke
slender island
anyone knows if the wild growth 25% buff affects the "Empowered Wild Growth" from heart of the wild?
eager raft
gm bala dudus
dense steeple
Gm respectable
lofty depot
anyone knows if the wild growth 25% buff affects the "Empowered Wild Growth" fro...
Crazy said it was the same so I trust
eager raft
Understandable
dense steeple
10am for me
jade drift
raided last night
was an experience being last for all fights
is apex talents our lord and savior or should i start leveling a devour
livid jay
buffs/tuning incoming aswell
meager storm
10am on east coast 7am west
10 am, there is only one respectable coast
lofty depot
Our apex talents aren't our Lord and Savior no. They do do a lot of damage, but I think others do a lot as well :/
meager storm
Smolder my beloved
lofty depot
Depending on smolder does like 10% overall... Thing the bolts in total do 5%
Just from looking at logs.
meager storm
Now check how much crit they got 
lofty depot
Intangibles cuz cool buffs.... Just get more Crit and do more smolder dam
jade drift
Our apex talents aren't our Lord and Savior no. They do do a lot of damage, but ...
doomed from the scratch
lofty depot
I mean, there's many guilds with boomkins being played in hof, it's not like playing boomkin will get u sat in most cases
Just play better
But if u don't have fun with it, then don't play it
lofty depot
They will find a way to kill weaver
I would assume if they wanted to kill it, they would've done that already
eager raft
10 am, there is only one respectable coast
East coast gang đ¤
lofty depot
Making the like solstice buff weaver gives be half of hail or something
Or just take it off, shrug
But don't even have sims to tell if it's good for not đ
meager storm
Well they touched stellar amp a bit
If they donât like dots being that much of ur overall they may overnerf it 
livid jay
well then we just wont dot if its shit no?
lofty depot
How else u gonna proc shooting stars?
Just not gonna dot and delete 20% or ur damage?
livid jay
đ
vale pebble
If they donât like dots being that much of ur overall they may overnerf it <a:xd...
they should
cuz m+ers probably dont want to tab target surges on procs
or even in raid
yea actually u will do it in raid
more than m+ even
meager storm
Oh no yeah, problem is they nerf it to the point that weaver is useless again
So we go back to same playstyle
vale pebble
weaver doesnt rly ride or die on stellar apm
if dots are just good stellar amp doesnt need to be in the game
u have sol
so
dont rly matter
meager storm
Sentence below says Dots 
pseudo merlin
Theres a guy in the ddh discord who literally cannot say anything other than a l...
Calm down and press wrath lil bro
dense steeple
Honestly dev is unplayable
lofty depot
Ig on st, the stellar amp nerf is like 8-10%
royal zenith
Is there dooming
dense steeple
Female dh leaving void meta briefly turn into male dh
lofty depot
Reeeeeee
royal zenith
In the world of warcraft
dense steeple
Complete slop game
royal zenith
No wayyy
livid jay
is our treeform still bugged? đ
lofty depot
Our?
pseudo merlin
wrong channel
pseudo merlin
hello
pseudo merlin
right?
dense steeple
I have learned that ddh has a skill shot targeted cone lmao
Like its targeted but you can just completely wiff it
dense steeple
Whatever the eradicate proc comes from
Where it drops 3 lines in a cone
You can only get it from hitting a target, but if youre moving you can aim it away from your target
lusty igloo
Ig on st, the stellar amp nerf is like 8-10%
Is the +5% starsurge enough to cancel it out in ST?
pseudo merlin
ah
crude cargo
You can only get it from hitting a target, but if youre moving you can aim it aw...
range spec designed to stay in melee
daring gull
if we cant be a sniper at absolute max distance the entire fight whats the fucking point
smdh
lofty depot
Is the +5% starsurge enough to cancel it out in ST?
Well 5=/= 8-10
crude cargo
dont remember sniper being 25y but 2026 who knows
lofty depot
Starfall buff depending how weaver is... Probably like a 1% gain. Goldrinn like a 1-2% gain
But none of the logs are log enough :/
Hard to tell, funny maff
lusty igloo
8-10% overall dmg nerf on ST? Itâs that much?
eager raft
8-10% is a decent sized buff but when you see the gap between other specs and boomy, itâs certainly not enough
lofty depot
8-10% is a decent sized buff but when you see the gap between other specs and bo...
The stellar amp change wasn't a buff silly
eager raft
Oh Iâm blind
nova ocean
Lol
eager raft
Disregard
nova ocean
Boomie did to much at we needed a nerf
eager raft
Nerf is crazy
lusty igloo
Is it really that much? That seems very high
lofty depot
But yea, they nerfed it from 20% to 16%... That's a 25% nerf
But I'm also not going through and looking at total debuff time and seeing that
It's probably lower than 8% but nonetheless
nova ocean
Plus denizen was also st nerf
lofty depot
Ye
nova ocean
We will just do no st again I guess and wait for the aura buffs lol
lofty depot
Could do some funny math, if stellar amp is up 70% of the time... Maybe u take 8% and then 70% of that đ
Now we're cooking
lusty igloo
most of the ST dmg seemed to be from the burst windows, so Iâd hope the tiny starsurge buff may cancel that out but i really dont know
And I also find it weird mostly aoe getting buffed. Didnt it need more ST damage?
eager raft
We will just do no st again I guess and wait for the aura buffs lol
+60% cumulative aura buff by the end of midnight
lofty depot
And I also find it weird mostly aoe getting buffed. Didnt it need more ST damage...
I mean, if u look at m+... AOE doesn't look good. Raid testing AOE is fake
And just running off logs and napkin maff. The Sims aren't working yet, so don't know what damage looks like
They nerfed lock and I think arcane tho
lusty igloo
Arcane is actually a massive buff in disguise
They gutted one hero tree and giga buffed the other
naive drum
so did the recent buffs do anything decent for boomy?
lusty igloo
I mean, if u look at m+... AOE doesn't look good. Raid testing AOE is fake
Ahh ok
lofty depot
so did the recent buffs do anything decent for boomy?
Feels like theyre just moving damage around
Don't have sim, can't tell
lofty depot
The aff nerfs are sad
Nah fuckem
lusty igloo
Hahaha
lofty depot
There is no lock love allowed here
jaunty blaze
Only allowed to lock in
nova ocean
Locks go destro sucks u just play aff cry cry . Then destro gets buffed and aff gets nerfed and they go cry cry I want aff good I hate destro
jaunty blaze
Still kinda funny they nerfed affli at s3 start just because of the s2 tierset
And never buffed it again
pseudo merlin
Can we LFR Amirdrassil yet?
lofty depot
Why
jaunty blaze
You mean a queue npc?
pseudo merlin
yes
jaunty blaze
I dont think it's in yet
pseudo merlin
ah is it always the second xpac?
jaunty blaze
But just get myth set no
lofty depot
U should be able to solo LFR
pseudo merlin
ok dumbass
that's not what I'm asking
wait
do you unlock lower level mogs yet?
dense steeple
Yes
lofty depot
that's not what I'm asking
dense steeple
But deadass ravec just put a group up in lfg. Limit who you invite to force mog to you
pseudo merlin
Anyway I still need to do all 4 diffies
dense steeple
"Mog/mount run"
pseudo merlin
cuz loot aint dropping
dense steeple
I did it last week with 8 people, 2 of each armor class
pseudo merlin
But deadass ravec just put a group up in lfg. Limit who you invite to force mog ...
smart
dense steeple
And that was still too many people
dense steeple
Semi related ravec
You wanna do m amir
Im bringing my paladin i don't want mog
Not right now I'm at work
lucid olive
Can we LFR Amirdrassil yet?
depends if they added the npc or not innit
oops wasn't scrolled down
pseudo merlin
depends if they added the npc or not innit
yeah that was kinda my question
but I think that doesnt happen until 2 xpacs later
lucid olive
i don't think there's any time thing on adding the npc
just a matter of remembering to do it or not
lucid olive
i queued Dazaralor lfr during Shadowlands for sure
lucid olive
think the 2 expac thing is just for "legacy content"
like the bosses on mythic are supposed to be 1shottable
pseudo merlin
ah probably
and real loot drops
or adjusted so it makes sense for soloing*
did aberrus yday got like 1 piece of loot between all bosses
very not happy
lucid olive
complain on forums maybe they see and fix it
pseudo merlin
wait really
dense steeple
Legacy is 2 xpac
drifting nova
did 400k in a raid yday, nerf when
errant flint
Are sims still busted on raidbots? How inaccurate are they?
jaunty blaze
there are no up to date sims
lofty depot
Are sims still busted on raidbots? How inaccurate are they?
Nothing is implemented
quiet drift
Ye well you can go work on it