balance

[lofty depot]

u will likely press starfire at some target count

[stone ocean]

Depends on targets what’s the situation

[lofty depot]

u can make it bigger

[sly python]

you can what now?

[lofty depot]

u see the icon size

u can u know move the slider

[inland glacier]

i mean tbh the gameplay feels the same

[lofty depot]

very big

[inland glacier]

using the reccomended rotation

[lofty depot]

recommended rotation 👀

[inland glacier]

press cds build with starfire spend on starfall

pop the starsurge proc when it happens

but instead of a lazer beam, you send out treants

am i crazy or is this barely any different lol

[keen kite]

well you do have to press an eclipse buton now...

[lofty depot]

the only thing different is starfire doesnt do damage in either spec now

[inland glacier]

it says to use that in both builds

i meant like different from the other hero talent

[lofty depot]

well now, cuz ur spammign foe in the other one

ur not really spamming trees

[inland glacier]

and you guys dont like foe?

[lofty depot]

i dont like starfire

[sly python]

o7 thank you ser

[meager storm]

on m+ they are pretty similar if thats what u are looking at

[inland glacier]

yeah was testing m+ builds

you just dont want to press Starfire in ST?

i guess that makes more sense

[lofty depot]

no

its objectively unfun

[meager storm]

i mean u cant have any kind of downtime or u lose insane dps

[inland glacier]

yeah its a long cast

i can understand that then

in aoe though it think they feel pretty fun

im a big fan of vfx tbh, thats the biggest source of feedback i get from pressing buttons

[lofty depot]

the classic ec enjoyer

[inland glacier]

the thing is, im not a balance player im just trying them out lol

[lofty depot]

go ahead and play balance for an expansion

or maybe just a year

in a year ill @ u and ask how much fun u had

[inland glacier]

lol, im considering adding them to my 4 character rotation

rn its warlock as my main, then dh and then enhancement shaman

do you cast the eclipse button as an opener to a pull?

[lofty depot]

depends if u have incarn or not

[inland glacier]

i do

[lofty depot]

but u would dot things as theyre being gathered

[nimble tangle]

also depends on your AP i guess?

[lofty depot]

then foe then incarn

[inland glacier]

i see

need to see all the effects foe procs

assuming it procs some buffs

[lofty depot]

it does

[fair mist]

im sure its just pvp, but new moon absolutely SLAPS right now in that content

[inland glacier]

debuff i see

[teal sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-wrong-not-right-gif-14695153867752834726

[fair mist]

Can anyone explain new moon play to me? I’ve never played balance when we took it. Just curious on the basics

[lofty depot]

we havent taken it in years, but u generally press it as as filler to not cap charges, in eclipse/ca, and can gain asp

its in the apl

me doesnt write it correctly cuz havent used it ever

[lucid olive]

yeah idk didnt put much effort into moons

[lofty depot]

moons do big dam now, locken

[lucid olive]

x

[fair mist]

no worries i was just curious. I tried it in pvp messing around and its HUGE one shot damage, so i was just curious on the pve front. Plus im just sending them kind of randomly in pvp

[lofty depot]

if u want more info on pvp u should ask in #pvp channel

[fair mist]

its not that i want pvp info

[lofty depot]

cuz it doesnt exactly have the same balance in both

[fair mist]

its that i did it in pvp and it did so much dmg it piqued my pve interest

[lofty depot]

o

[fair mist]

i know its not a great compairison

but was just interested

[lofty depot]

i mean theres not really a comparison yea

[normal pilot]

it just has too long a cast time

not great for the time it eats up

[fair mist]

you'd be surprised. over the years ive gotten elite / glad multiple times and generally its because im just really good at the pve rotation haha

[lofty depot]

theres 12 people that play pvp, so is it really that hard

[fair mist]

that's harsh

[potent cargo]

that's the reality of it rly

most ppl dont do damage for shit

turns out being good at pve makes you better at pvp

bc most ppl in pvp do green parse levels of damgur

[fair mist]

amen

[delicate perch]

lmfao as soon as I seen "big damage in pvp" I was going to ping you but it was too late

[vital hound]

oi how do i play with these eclipses

just vibes ye

[lucid olive]

ye

[vital hound]

[lucid olive]

honestly its hit a dummy for 10 minutes and you know when its good to enter eclipse

[vital hound]

tru

[lofty depot]

its necessarily the same constraints... u just cant do it as much

[vital hound]

tru

im guessing i cant make my starweaver make a noise

when it procs

[lofty depot]

sir

we deleted weakauras because of this

[vital hound]

yea its so joever

wtf

[lofty depot]

gonna need u to use ur fucking eyes

[vital hound]

[dense steeple]

CA, Eclipse,eclipose, CA, repeat

ez

[lofty depot]

should be ca eclipse ca

but sure

[dense steeple]

yeah whatever

[nimble tangle]

CA- use all AP- eclipse- fill AP- CA?

[lofty depot]

no

you will want to fill asp before going into either ca or eclipse

[nimble tangle]

Or fill AP- CA-use AP- fill AP- ecplise

[shadow bough]

question, how required are the mushrooms... I hate them so much

[nimble tangle]

Oki oki as I initially thought

[lofty depot]

right now nothing is required

its prepatch, play what u want

[nimble tangle]

Right now set up UI

[pseudo merlin]

when is the last time we even pressed mushrooms

[nimble tangle]

And cry bottom DPS

[lucid olive]

igira

[pseudo merlin]

damn

[nimble tangle]

Cataclysm?

[lofty depot]

does "we" imply that we actually played it or

[shadow bough]

im running 8 mask horrific visions to try and get a feel for it and its just such an unfun button to press for me

[lofty depot]

well if its optimal to press it cuz it increases ur damage, would u stop using it?

[shadow bough]

I would be very upset, but I would press it

[lofty depot]

hmm, crazy 🙂

but no, theres no sims out saying its good or bad

and ur doing visions, so idk why were suffering

ur supposed to be having fun

stop that

[shadow bough]

im just testing stuff, I havent played my moonkin since I got 2.5k on it for triple threat. I mostly played my DK and my evoker season 3 lol

[lofty depot]

the fuck is triple threat

[loud kettle]

achievement for 2k on all 3 roles

[shadow bough]

^

[loud kettle]

or ig 2.5k?

its some score

[shadow bough]

it was getting a timed 10 across the board

[lofty depot]

theres an achievement for that....

tahts big

[loud kettle]

added this patch psure

well

last patch

[lofty depot]

close ur eyes at the end of tier and get achieve

[loud kettle]

i wouldve gotten it if it came out at the start of the tier

but im not doing m+ if I dont need it for gear

[shadow bough]

I ran my DK up to 3k but kind of let the Moonkin fall off

[lofty depot]

dont worry, ull be slamming m+ for 20+ weeks next tier

[loud kettle]

dont curse me with that

[lofty depot]

yea surely they change that shit

[quaint wave]

Why will u be slamming m+ for 20 weeks I thought they removed the higher track rewards

Was I just baited and lied to

[pseudo merlin]

they removed that shit like a week after announcing it idk

we can never have nice things

[lofty depot]

currently...... the length of time it takes to upgrade all your gear is a long time

[quaint wave]

Yum yum crest grinding

[lofty depot]

also taking lower ilvl pieces is giga worse

[pseudo merlin]

nah surely they walk that back right

and make it like normal progression time

and not 500 keys per item

https://tenor.com/view/taliesin-evitel-pull-the-ripcord-gif-22891620

[lofty depot]

so if m+ ilvl 1/6 vs mythic raid loot being 2/6 or 3/6, thats the difference in like 20-30% of ur crests

[pseudo merlin]

[quaint wave]

Same as current.

[shadow bough]

bro I feel so weak what is this

[lofty depot]

its not the same as current

[pseudo merlin]

bala dudu

[lofty depot]

each level scales up in crest cost

[quaint wave]

[lofty depot]

it takes like 1.5 week worth of crests to max an item from 1-6, granted u dont want to take the 1/6 items maybe u get higher ones but yea

maybe they want to increase the length of time, cuz the 3rd raid opens 2 weeks later but increasing the time u need to max gear is very not poggers

[craggy sonnet]

i think its fine honestly. maybe there would have been a more elegant solution. but at least you have something to play for (getting stronger)

[lofty depot]

just wait til they add turbo boost and we'll see what u have to say

[craggy sonnet]

surely this means no turbo boost .. surely

[quaint wave]

Lol

Naive to think no turbo boost will be present

When it is used as a tuning knob for raid and as inflation for m+ to keep dungeoners playing

[craggy sonnet]

worked out great this season

yup yup

[gray bear]

Just logged in to set up my UI for the first time. Luxthos new imports not tracking Starlord? I can just add it, just wondering why not

[lofty depot]

his old string i believe was broken

u should be able to add it but for some reason it wasnt even in the list

[gray bear]

Yea I just added it as a buff and i see it fine now. Was just curious if something with the spec changed where we don't need to anymore. Thanks!

[lofty depot]

well u dont really need to track it anymore no

[sour rampart]

wait

are we talking crests

[drifting nova]

crests bad

[lofty depot]

ruh roh

[sour rampart]

i love talking crests

[lofty depot]

1/1

[sour rampart]

👍

[delicate perch]

[lofty depot]

lol

[delicate perch]

they will change that right

right...................................................................

(it'll be week 12)

[normal pilot]

think of all the content you get

[sour rampart]

if you're lucky with loot

can be week 7!

[normal pilot]

the replayability

[delicate perch]

[vital hound]

here comes the seasonal pr

!!!

[lofty depot]

just get gear fed, week 4 surely

[delicate perch]

week 2 or ELSE

[sour rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-boys-back-gif-25205948

[delicate perch]

is that week 8 thing assuming no myth loot or

[sour rampart]

assumes you get a vault each week, craft to replace a hero item every 2 weeks, and get at least 1 mythic item from raid every other week

and that you get upgrades from each of those things

[delicate perch]

[lofty depot]

does that assume getting 1 piece of 2/6 from vault each week and not over lapping

[sour rampart]

assumes you get a vault each week, craft to replace a hero item every 2 weeks, and get at least 1 mythic item from raid every other week

not taking any socket

[delicate perch]

so yes

gg

[lofty depot]

I READ IT THE FIRST TIME

[sour rampart]

WELL

YOU ASKED THE QUESTION AGAIN

[lofty depot]

nooooooooo

[sour rampart]

pin it

[lofty depot]

i asked after he did but slower

[vital hound]

[delicate perch]

don't be mean to annihilape

[vital hound]

assumes you get a vault each week, craft to replace a hero item every 2 weeks, and get at least 1 mythic item from raid every other week

[sour rampart]

[delicate perch]

hey @lofty depot it assumes you get a vault each week, craft to replace a hero item every 2 weeks, and get at least 1 mythic item from raid every other week

[lofty depot]

a piece from raid and vault item

yea everyone is fucked

[delicate perch]

YEP

[lofty depot]

ur not that lucky

[sour rampart]

even if you're a little unlucky

it just delays to week 9

basically it's weeks 7-9

[delicate perch]

I think my vault luck was okay but our raid loot was so fucking beans

just the same shit slots every boss

[sour rampart]

One weird thing

Crafting 5/6 costs 60 crests atm, but upgrading from 1/6 to 5/6 costs 100

i assume thatll change

[lofty depot]

just uhh dont bring that up

[vital hound]

yea delete that msg thanks

[lofty depot]

never talk about that again

[vital hound]

[sour rampart]

oops

[loud kettle]

dont even put it in guide until day of

[vital hound]

dont even put it in guide until day of

[loud kettle]

real

[normal pilot]

put it in the paywall'd version

[lofty depot]

🧠

[sour rampart]

ill get ai to write an addon that puts my guide in the game like the old weakaura did and charge $50 for it

[lofty depot]

charge $50 for the addon, and then each guide is a DLC which is an extra $25

[sour rampart]

use elvui code to make it work on ultrawide monitors

[lofty depot]

thats the premium version, so thats an extra $25 as well

[vital hound]

just copy zygor code ezpz

[lusty igloo]

anyone have logs of the latest round of beta raid testing where there's a boomie?

[lofty depot]

u can look them up on warcraftlogs yes

[lusty igloo]

how? i think it's in some special zone but idk how to find

[lofty depot]

scroll down on the home page

[lusty igloo]

ah dope ty

[lofty depot]

problem being i dont know any balance mains that did the testing

[lusty igloo]

couple of boomies doing great in this one https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/742KWkTr6da3DBnp?fight=7&type=damage-done&modal=fight-selection . i only have kalamazi's to compare against

[lofty depot]

1m convoke gamer

sculpt gamer

[meager storm]

do they think smolder is useless or what

[lofty depot]

what % is that

🙂

[meager storm]

like 6%

[lofty depot]

jesus

[loud kettle]

no, they are just skilled enough to crit without the crutch

[loud kettle]

Crit is useless tbh

[meager storm]

when 90% of spell crits count for smolder

well

[lofty depot]

i dont think larias understands that this is my bis

its from the last boss kek

[vital hound]

[dense steeple]

crit being full dead is pog

[sour rampart]

Do you sleep

[dense steeple]

sometimes he does

hes got a weird schedule

[lofty depot]

when i do yes

but theres sumo on

is last day

[quiet musk]

Just got Mid/TWW and access to hero talents recently. Is anyone else majorly bummed that The Eternal Moon makes Full Moon tiny rather than also adding a tiny moon next to the big one? 😔

[delicate perch]

can not remember the last time I pressed moons so no

[lofty depot]

fullmoon was bugged for a full expansion, i promise no one noticed

"bummed"

i hope ec isnt played ever

rework it season 2

[delicate perch]

is eternal moon some midnight thing I'm too logged out to care about

[quiet musk]

It's the final talent in the elune's chosen tree

[lofty depot]

i dont even think it does what he said

but im not logged in

[delicate perch]

oh it's extra moon you'd need to press while playing ec

insane timeline

[quiet musk]

Excuse my HDR washing out the picture but here is me casting full moon

[delicate perch]

well

[quiet musk]

I know it hasn't been viable for ages so the graphic was the only reason to keep it lol

[delicate perch]

does the talent not say new and half, (not full)?

[delicate perch]

[quiet musk]

Meaning it shouldn't be minimizing full moon

[lofty depot]

well it doesnt minimize it

it says "also" call down a minor moon dawg

[delicate perch]

is there not 2 moons in your flashbang of a clip

meaning that probably wasn't full moon?

[dense steeple]

smaller moon: smaller damage

bad talent

[delicate perch]

mine do full damage (I never use it)

[lofty depot]

its in the ec tree, theyre all bad

[quiet musk]

Do it ingame if you don't believe me man

If you thought it was a jackass conversational topic you can just ignore me

[normal pilot]

hm did they break the vfx not showing again

[lofty depot]

we dont ignore here

[normal pilot]

i thought they fixed that

[lofty depot]

they did

but they couldve broke it again

blizzard has that tech

[normal pilot]

unlucky forgot to cherry pick the commit

[river galleon]

Good sirs i have question about Balance druid and small thing that's important. Have you replaced Quartz addon with something new? That basic cast bar is disgusting.

[polar linden]

I use bcdm

[dapper wing]

Damn you really put just all the buttons on it

[polar linden]

for some reason cd manager spells reset for me today

[stone ledge]

boys

i miss renewal

[stone ledge]

idk you are a psycopath if you dont organize that more lol

[polar linden]

#balance message

[stone ledge]

first thing id do is fix that shit

it still hurts my head that some people dont customize packs and just raw dog import

[polar linden]

I just wanted to show the cast bar 😉

[stone ledge]

I just wish there was a way to set up the eclipse bar like the lucky one weakaura

Mis this set up sm

[polar linden]

yeah, I had a similar one. I do believe it's sort of possible since seeing the IWW addon for warrior's whirlwind

[stone ledge]

Hope so I mean with time I’ll get adjusted to the new setup

[river galleon]

And how about NephUI? Have you tested it?

[polar linden]

nephui bugged out heavily for me, vibe-coded

[river galleon]

Nvm just saw comments for that one...

[stone cairn]

🤣

[stone ledge]

you can use it

just dont use latest

[polar linden]

I have really enjoyed using unhalted's creations UUF and BCDM and just creating my own

[stone ledge]

thats what my ui is running off of til elvui is updated

i kinda just use naowhs and customize from there cause im shit at coding

[river galleon]

They can take very other addon from me but Quartz. Hard to explain but i always look for that cast bar

[polar linden]

what is so special about that cast bar? can you link it?

I mean, I used to have quartz back in Cataclysm but there was nothing special about it what I can remember haha

[river galleon]

Quartz make your cast bar customizable and for me it was kinda bigger bar with exactly cast time. Was important for me while fighting bosses, to make sure i can end cast before mechanics and not interrupt wrath 0.2s before lol

[polar linden]

I would really recommend you to try out BetterCooldownManager then

[potent cargo]

you can just use gnosis

as replacement to quartz

[reef jungle]

Fixed

[vital hound]

@delicate perch did fractillus not in boomkin form

[royal zenith]

[drifting nova]

[delicate perch]

[vital hound]

I use a toy usually

and no "not chicken form" wa

addons are a crux

[pallid bay]

how do people want to track eclipse now

[royal zenith]

3d modelling

[delicate perch]

with a weakaura

[royal zenith]

with sound effects

[pallid bay]

like this?

[royal zenith]

what's the above

[pallid bay]

eclipse charges ig

but feel like you'd want to know how many you have at all times

[royal zenith]

yeah, probably

countdown + visual bar = gucci

[dire osprey]

is there a way to make these blizzard buffs just grow from the left

instead of the cds popping up in the middle

[pallid bay]

keep coping buddy

[dire osprey]

[dire osprey]

that is full moon now?

what happened to the giant moon dropping down

[fossil hemlock]

Same bug as s3, full moon visual gone so only EC minor moons or whatever they're called

[pure mist]

hey all! I wanted look into balance to see if i like it for midnight. I was wondering if the assisted highlight tool is a decent to good tool to learn the balance rotation at all?

[round field]

its not great probably

better off reading a guide and practicing

not much depth to the spec

[delicate perch]

wonder when it highlights eclipse

[fossil hemlock]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just off CD and out of eclipse

[drifting nova]

the assisted what now

[delicate perch]

0ap eclipses login

[drifting nova]

hope it plays a horn

[delicate perch]

that highlight feature thing

[drifting nova]

??

[delicate perch]

no it's just a blue glow on next button

????

[drifting nova]

you mean one button rotation

[delicate perch]

no

[drifting nova]

[delicate perch]

it literally just highlights a button

that the game wants you to press next

[drifting nova]

the game doesnt know

how can it know

[delicate perch]

it uses the one button rotation fairly sure

not sure if it does cooldowns

[drifting nova]

much to ponder

[potent cargo]

sounds too complex

best reroll to unholy dk

[haughty sluice]

what's the math behind 2 Points in Total Eclipse for 15% more Astral dmg every fifth normal Eclipse vs. 2 points for fury of elune that is roughly 4% of my overall on dummy and generates and additional SS worth of AP?

I guess it's nice when you high roll a fight and proc it back to back

[pseudo merlin]

ive never considered things like that learning tools

i dont feel like you can learn, or atleast not easily, from being spoonfed what to press, it doesn't really give you a clear idea of why you're doing what you're doing imo

[nimble tangle]

how did you move... combat potion to essential bar?

[carmine current]

Am I the only one that doesnt understand the spec rn in prepatch?

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[carmine current]

I read the guides but still wtf is this

[pseudo merlin]

could you elaborate?

[quiet drift]

Me neither

I do no dam...

[pseudo merlin]

I think it's a skill issue biscotti

have you tried playing better?

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[pseudo merlin]

Maybe if we had a VIDEO guide, this wouldn't happen to people...

[carmine current]

It feels super cluncky the way I have to activate eclipses and all of that

[pseudo merlin]

oh you just dont like it

I mean yeah from now on you're going to have to press eclipses

Most people like the new eclipses better than what we had before, some dislike that it's on the gcd

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[carmine current]

Maybe thats it

[pseudo merlin]

Other than that it's basically the same

Now you press an on GCD eclipse instead of two wraths of STFs

[carmine current]

do I get to any AP before pressing the button? or I just send it before dotting

I was happy because I didnt really liked Elune, but now I dont understand this one lmao maybe its just my time to drop this spec for good

[pseudo merlin]

you pool ASP for entering any eclipse yeah

if that's what you meant

the conditions for spending are basically the same: starlord is below 3, boat is up, about to cap ASP or incoming movement

[carmine current]

yeah makes sense

[pseudo merlin]

If you don't like the current iteration of balance just come back next xpac when they inevitably rework eclipses again

[carmine current]

Thats a good point yeah

I will do a few more dungeons and if I definitely dont like it I will just drop the character to the bottom of my list and call it tbh

[reef jungle]

ArcUI
Also like HS, healpot and Araz

[nimble tangle]

Ohh, arc UI I gotta take a look tomorrow

Maybe I can use it on cooldown manager centered?

But CMC doesn’t have trinket or item tracking function

[reef jungle]

I try to, but feel no improvements for my ui

[odd kite]

Anyone knows how to make sunfire/moonfire greyed out when not applied to my target with ARCui?

[jagged pumice]

how are you guys feeling balance druid in prepatch?

[pseudo merlin]

good design bad dam

[drifting nova]

bad design bad dam

[craggy sonnet]

yea, need to a) Enable "Hide when inactive" in the Edit Mode and b) get an addon that allows changing the grow direction n stuff .. if they can center align it, surely left/right works as well

[craggy sonnet]

yeah idk .. i think people are just saying they want that back without thinking about what that would even do now that eclipse is diff

[craggy sonnet]

hold on .. arcui completely bricks my moonfire/sunfire active swipes .. do these work for you?

i legit dismissed the cdm features of arcui (bars are still useful) because it seemed super buggy with that

[reef jungle]

Works, but i cant make pandemic glow, like i made it on my wa pack

[twin lotus]

i miss weak auras

what a great time

it was the best of times, it was the worst of times

[nimble tangle]

WE MISS WEAKAURA

MAKE AURA GREAT AGAIN

[nimble tangle]

The only glow I could find is from platynator

It has dot pandemic glow function working with Jundie’s profile

[pseudo merlin]

boys we're down in the gutter together on beta

[pallid bay]

well you want to track the duration

and you'd want to track how many charges and the cd

[craggy sonnet]

for me, even the swipe bugs out on these, like almost always

but arc is doing some very hacky stuff

[craggy sonnet]

and not have the icon in the essential group at all?

you can technically do both these things in 2 bars with arc uis bars module

but idk how you would wanna combine them into one

as it was in the WA version

[pallid bay]

well i can do anything

hence why im asking

[twin lotus]

playing a beta key with a shaman friend. "I am gonna pop off", I say confidently playing KotG and having all my CDS up

I glance at Details, we are doing the same dmg. Words echo through my headphones

Didn't even use ascension btw

dont even need to sandbag

[craggy sonnet]

Yea, meant more in the sense idk what that would look like to gain any benefit out of

[pseudo merlin]

15 spire

some classes are slightly overtuned

[drifting nova]

where warlock

[pseudo merlin]

warlock is so far ahead he's got his own dmg meter

warlock genuinely does 2x my dmg

both affli and demo

[drifting nova]

just remembered tetttles getting giga domed by a lock

[pseudo merlin]

yeah dw we have a whole month till launch

🙂

[drifting nova]

when will you learn

[pseudo merlin]

I was a feral main in 2005

warlock main 2006-2010

then feral again

[drifting nova]

count uncular

[pseudo merlin]

I shouldve stayed warlock

every beta i log in and make a warlock, try all 3 specs, end up not enjoying it

SL S4 was the last time lock was fun for me

[drifting nova]

only time I played lock was bfa

in nyalotha

[jagged pumice]

i feel balance is butchered

[pseudo merlin]

I mean we do have like 2 months for tuning still

it might be fine

(it wont be)

[jagged pumice]

the whole eciplise button

is so out of place imo

both for pvp and pve

[drifting nova]

I..

whats actually IN midnight

[pseudo merlin]

Idk like

[drifting nova]

swear its the least promoted xpac

[pseudo merlin]

You had to hardcast 2 buttons before, now you just instant cast 1 button

[drifting nova]

from a gameplay perspective

[pseudo merlin]

its not that big a de al

[drifting nova]

housing likely to be closely associated with tww rather than mdinight

[jagged pumice]

compared to other specs

balance is literally weak af

[pseudo merlin]

You're having two conversations at the same time

and I'm not part of one of them

"I dont like new eclipse button" > "Balance is weak"

huh

[drifting nova]

both true

[pseudo merlin]

one is design, the ot her is tuning

[jagged pumice]

^

[drifting nova]

an illusion of design

pivoting eclipse to an actual button

AND it feels god awful

[jagged pumice]

gameplay isnt as smooth as it was

whole idea of midnight was to reduce buttons

to welcome console players

they added more for balance

[pallid bay]

its good to use different elements depending on multiple factors like importance, precision etc

[pseudo merlin]

we got a console conspiracist

[drifting nova]

its coming

trust

either that

or the alternative

and the alternative is just sad

[quiet drift]

Wow will get a steam port for steamconsole

[drifting nova]

"dont you guys have consoles"

[stone cairn]

And the console is going to cost more than a mid-range PC when ultimately losing to an actual midrange pc

[orchid peak]

Have they fixed simming for balance yet?

[round field]

cope

[grizzled shoal]

i doubt simming will work in prepatch

no point really

[stone cairn]

Okay so I did some research. It seems I was mistaken.

I had the impression it was priced the same as a mid-high ($1,500) end pc with entry level specs cause that's all I've been hearing about it XD

[drifting nova]

listing a weekly key and being explicit, "NO CONSOLES"

[round field]

ur not buying a mid/high end pc for 1.5k

[stone cairn]

Mine was 1200

[round field]

when

right now

just a gpu

and ram

will set u back

1.2k

[stone cairn]

Late 2025 but my gpu also isn't 5 grand like they are now, and I only have 1 stick of ram XD the 50 series cards still costed more than my entire computer before all of the ai datas

[quiet drift]

Bro slid in last second

My pc was acting up for like a month, was scared shitless id have to go replace something now

[pseudo merlin]

I bought like 256gb ddr5

😎

[quiet drift]

Millionare

[pseudo merlin]

I paid 800?

[quiet drift]

OpenAI assassins are after you

be careful

[pseudo merlin]

[sudden flame]

wtf you need 256 gb for?

does bro own a data centre?

[pseudo merlin]

64gb for me

the rest I sold for 3x

[tender elbow]

yo lads, can someone send me a screen shot of their Luxthos' UI for balance? Just want to see if its worth the effort to get it

[pseudo merlin]

should've held onto it longer

1k for those modules now

what the fuck is happening

[quiet drift]

(:

[pseudo merlin]

actually wild

[quiet drift]

Happens when every single memory dim that will be produced this year is already sold to datacenters

[pseudo merlin]

yeah

[quiet drift]

Just hope the bubble pops and those sticks have to be liquidated

[pseudo merlin]

imagine being the guy who upgraded GPU at the peak of the GPU crsis

[quiet drift]

[pseudo merlin]

Then RAM right now

[quiet drift]

ye idk was crazy

[pseudo merlin]

could have a 5k mid end pc

[quiet drift]

I was thinking of going AM5 like 3 months ago

just for the price hike to start

[pseudo merlin]

ye i went am5 too

9800x3d made me very happy

[quiet drift]

sheesh

gz

[pseudo merlin]

10x fps compared to 11900k

I was 1-3 fps on dimensius

with CPU idle disabled and minimum processor state on 100%

[quiet drift]

Who needs frames in WoW!!!

Its an MMO

[pseudo merlin]

as long as your weakauras still work you'll be fine

[quiet drift]

Something like that

[pseudo merlin]

Wonder why we need to keep upgrading hardware to be able to play wow in a normal FPS range when seemingly the game looks teh same it did 10 years ago

Any smart person explain how that works?

in legion/bfa we had way more damage instances creating calculations upon calculations too compared to now

so total load should be smaller?

[dense steeple]

yall jealous of my ram

[pseudo merlin]

im not jealous

that's absurdly expensive and corsair

and cl36

wait what

I bought 2x32 CL30 for like 180

[dense steeple]

brother that same set is like 1400 dollars now used

[pseudo merlin]

from a real brand

[dense steeple]

wdym its expensive

[pseudo merlin]

yeah but why did you 2x overpay for july last year

The prices didnt skyrocket till like end september

[normal pilot]

gotta pay the corsair tax

[pseudo merlin]

are those fake dollars (canadian) ?

[dense steeple]

it was 350 from january to august

[pseudo merlin]

or real ones

[dense steeple]

you forget the standard price of ram too fast

[pseudo merlin]

hang on

[normal pilot]

nah you overpaid cuz corsair

2x16gb cl30s were under $150

closer to $125

[dense steeple]

good thing i didnt want 32gb of ram and instead wanted 64

[pseudo merlin]

this

im trying to find my order

[normal pilot]

you could've gotten 4x16 for $250

[dense steeple]

its also for like, i wanted my ram to look good

and was gladly willing to spend a little extra for that aesthestic tax

[pseudo merlin]

ok corsair does not have a monopoly on pretty ram

[normal pilot]

yah you want corsair ram you just pay the extra

[dense steeple]

they do for ddr5

[pseudo merlin]

I think gskill looks alright

granted corsair looks better

but corsair sucks balls

[dense steeple]

gskill looks went down in ddr5

i had trident z royal elite silvers in ddr4

gorgeous dimms

[normal pilot]

ppl pay $30+ for an rgb fan, some ppl just don't mind blowing $$ on how things look

[pseudo merlin]

sure yeah

[stone cairn]

Well, the only thing that you'd absolutely need to upgrade is your storage. while it stayed relatively the same, it got more demanding cause they reworked the graphics many times and fine tuned. World of Warcraft can still run on windows 7 and ddr3, but it's quite far below the recommended as far as 2026 is concerned.

[quiet drift]

Wanted to flame apple but the way Windows is headed cant even blame em

[stone cairn]

You can flame both of them at once

[pseudo merlin]

BFA came out in 2018, I think I had my 11900k shortly after and my performance was peak. There's no way that CPU is li t erally worthless today unless something crazy happened. Did they even rework graphics between then and now?

[quiet drift]

100% did

[stone cairn]

probably not since bfa, no

but they couldve

no major changes ive personally noticed

they somewhat recently changed the worgen model ever so slightly

[pseudo merlin]

So I need to buy a new PC because of worgen?

[stone cairn]

No.

[pseudo merlin]

I fucking knew they were the source of all my problems

[quiet drift]

Imo SL into DF was a leap

[stone cairn]

Like I said, WoW can still run on windows 7 lol

[quiet drift]

Also when my performance tanked

[normal pilot]

their coding has gotten more sloppy

[stone cairn]

yeah

[pseudo merlin]

I mean idc about OS, my top tier CPU is just worthless not even 6 years later

crazy for 2005 cartoon game

[normal pilot]

the sexual harrassment purge kicked out a lot of knowledge from the company

[pseudo merlin]

I see

[normal pilot]

new devs don't know as much

[stone cairn]

i almost forgot about that

[pseudo merlin]

so just optimisation

[normal pilot]

and old devs didn't believe in documentation

[pseudo merlin]

No documentation is fine if you're never going to get fired I guess

[normal pilot]

they prolly thought they could keep getting away with it

[stone cairn]

poor optimization makes it harder for older systems to manage all the garbage, so technically you only need to upgrade so your gpu doesnt burn your house down trying to make sense of dumpster code

[quiet drift]

If it stayed internal prolly wouldve

[stone cairn]

"It's only illegal if you get caught" >.>

[quiet drift]

type beat

[normal pilot]

well wow's problem is cpu side

[dense steeple]

good thing i have a 9800x3d now

[normal pilot]

i guess if you really need an upgrade you can try to scrounge for some used 5800x3d

[stone cairn]

I have an 8700F

[pseudo merlin]

holy shit

so you basically cant play the game

or do you not raid?

[dense steeple]

she doesnt raid

[pseudo merlin]

cuz outside of raid the game tends to run fine

yeah

ok

[stone cairn]

What?

[pseudo merlin]

with a 8700 you cant raid

you literally can not

[normal pilot]

8700f is am5

did you think it was intel

[pseudo merlin]

yes

I was like huh

[stone cairn]

I can run the game at 320 fps and 100+ in combat. XD

[dense steeple]

ret brain

[normal pilot]

nobody admits to running intel

who wants that kind of shame

[quiet drift]

[stone cairn]

I shouldve specified, that was entirely myfault

[pseudo merlin]

not your fault

[quiet drift]

Theyre one more bible quote from greatness

[dense steeple]

yeah ravec is a ret paladin gym bro dont apologize to him

[pseudo merlin]

ok calm down

intel made a 8700

[stone cairn]

lmfao

[pseudo merlin]

and f means no igpu

so 8700f exists

[dense steeple]

i know it was my cpu until literally august when i built my pc LMAO

[pseudo merlin]

or should

[lucid olive]

not having x3d

[stone cairn]

i dont know the intel cpu names, they confuse the shit out of me

[lucid olive]

[quiet drift]

Context clue from upgrading in 2025

[stone cairn]

what do you mean I have an i9144265762675673t5763kf

[pseudo merlin]

ok intels naming really isnt that hard

[lucid olive]

i5 bad i7 good i9 gooder

amd goodest

[pseudo merlin]

forget the i

it's just generation + type + featuers

[dense steeple]

i(power)-#(generation)-letter(quality)

[pseudo merlin]

i is just like marketing

it's to tell stupid people what it can do

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/feyresmaid-gif-21798212

[pseudo merlin]

3 = browsing/office, 5 is light gaming 7 is gaming 9 is productivity

[normal pilot]

well they put the 5/7/9 first to fool ppl into buying older gen

[dense steeple]

the real problem is the nvidia intel collusion scam

[pseudo merlin]

bro really?

[normal pilot]

instead of putting the generation first like amd

[pseudo merlin]

yes lmao

99% of the intel people you ask what CPU they have, the answer you get is: I have an i9

[quiet drift]

Told you I wanted to go AM5...

[pseudo merlin]

as if that means anything

[lucid olive]

i dipped under 20 frames on Dimensius heroic split once and impulse bought a 9950x3d

[pseudo merlin]

an i9 from 2012

[lucid olive]

probably not the smartest choice

[pseudo merlin]

😩

CPUs arent expensive yet

[normal pilot]

smh should've wait for the 9950x3d2

[pseudo merlin]

you can do it

buy some third hand ram from ebay

[pseudo merlin]

yeah dimensius made me buy a new cpu too

and then I ended up not being in on dimensius

[dense steeple]

my poor gpu

[lucid olive]

i got a secondhand 4080 super last year

happy with that

[pseudo merlin]

how much you pay

[lucid olive]

like 15k kroner?

[pseudo merlin]

decent

[normal pilot]

oof htf are you still running that

[pseudo merlin]

overkill for wow tho

[normal pilot]

6700xt is like.. 4 years old?

or 5 i forget

[pseudo merlin]

i got a 6700xt ye

[normal pilot]

i guess it's fine for wow

[pseudo merlin]

I think its like 2021

[dense steeple]

yeah i bought it 4 years ago cause it was 300 dollars and my rtx950 died

[lucid olive]

yeah definitely, but i've gotten some mileage out of it already with single player games

[pseudo merlin]

nice

I was on a 1060 6gb just 5 years ago

[dense steeple]

i have a 2060ti sitting on my desk rn

[pseudo merlin]

I only play mmos anyway

its good enough

[dense steeple]

Anyone need a gpu xd

[fair bloom]

anyone else using bcdm know why it's closing my talent pane after choosing a spec, and how to disable it?

[pseudo merlin]

that's a gp u?

what is it

[lucid olive]

my biggest mistake was buying a new PSU 3 years ago and not checking if it had the 12volt cable you need for the new GPUs

[dense steeple]

a 2060ti

[pseudo merlin]

oh

dude I think thsoe are still like 150 second hand?

maybe 200

[dense steeple]

i cant legally sell it

[pseudo merlin]

😮

[dense steeple]

i ripped it from an engineering pc at work before they threw it out

[tacit oriole]

I’m over here still playing on an amd 590 gpu and r5 1600x cpu 😂

[pseudo merlin]

W

That's ghetto

[dense steeple]

i saw a dude on facebook make a post about having his 4090 suprim x stolen from him at a marketplace meetup

[pseudo merlin]

those are number combinations I don't even remember

[stone cairn]

[tacit oriole]

If I had the money I would buy better. But I got to put my kids first before I spoil myself 😂

[pseudo merlin]

Make sure they never get into gaming

[stone cairn]

I used to play with an rx550

[pseudo merlin]

Save yourself some money

[dense steeple]

^

[pseudo merlin]

Get em a set of wooden blocks and a football

[dense steeple]

tel lthem hobbies are a scam and they should just work 70 hour weeks

[pseudo merlin]

[lucid olive]

its an investment, if you buy a better PC for yourself you can hand down the old PC to the kids and you can just put them in front of it when you need to raid

[pseudo merlin]

idk I sold my old pc for 1k dollaridoos just in the last 3 months

[lucid olive]

give them computers and you won't have to interact

W

[pseudo merlin]

and that's excluding my watercooling

[dense steeple]

i gave away my old pc

[lucid olive]

I've been keeping all my old PC parts until I have a finished PC that I can give to my nieces for christmas or something

[pseudo merlin]

I gave my PC before that away

[tacit oriole]

I plan on buying another before midnight.

[dense steeple]

64 gb ddr4, 8 tb ssd space. Free of charge, enjoy buddy

[tacit oriole]

I think I played okay as far as parsing on my old potato computer 😂

[pseudo merlin]

you gave away 64gb ddr4

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[pseudo merlin]

did storage raise in price yet btw

[normal pilot]

ya

[pseudo merlin]

I heard it would follow ram

[modern totem]

Anyone who knows how to setup the cd manager - if I want to display buffs, can I set them to appear in order in which they started? Because now when they appear they just stay where I put them. Idk how to explain this xd

[dense steeple]

Its started yes

[tacit oriole]

Looks crazy. Nice man

[pseudo merlin]

I always underpurchase storage and end up managing storage space

idk why I always do it

It's so stupid

[dense steeple]

That was my old pc, only an i7-8700k

[quiet drift]

Aslong as youre not like redownloading shit doesnt matter

[pseudo merlin]

I usually just uninstall D4 after I had my 57 minutes of fun per season

that's about it

[quiet drift]

lmao

[dense steeple]

Heres my new one with a 9800x3d

[lucid olive]

people playing on 6 year old hardware probably same ones that complain about elvui eating frames

😭

[dense steeple]

fr

[pseudo merlin]

asiahorse

[dense steeple]

is a good brand and i'm tired of pretending its not

[tacit oriole]

Probably why I never used elvui. 😂

[pseudo merlin]

I havent heard of it

I am HOOKED on Lian Li

I Fucking love them

I simp for them

All their products are just so needlessly overdelivered

[stone cairn]

I have Cyberpower

[pseudo merlin]

And I'm fucking here for it

[lucid olive]

I wanna get a new PC case, really like how those Fractal North XL ones look

[dense steeple]

lian li tl lcd fans are dogwater

[pseudo merlin]

I have a case from them and a PSU

[dense steeple]

yeah most of this build is lianli

fans, aio, psu

but this case is giga

[pseudo merlin]

This case came with like a million extra screws and straps and a little box with compartments to store everything, then the case has an absurd amount of customisability and is super convenient in every possible way you could conceive of

And it was only like 120 bucks?

217 lancool(?)

[stone cairn]

Creachur
I need to wipe the glass, it got dust and fingerprints.

[pseudo merlin]

Then the same for the PSU

[quaint wasp]

qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq

whoops

[lucid olive]

good comms

push to talk angle

[tacit oriole]

If I sent my pc, dust is liable to fall out if your charging port ( if you are on your phone) 😂

[lofty depot]

theres a few addons that have centering where it does that. bettercooldownmanager or i think one is actually called cooldown manager centered or center aligned, i prefer the set locations so i turned it off

[quaint wasp]

that actually not an accidentla key spam, just my tears of playing boomkin

[pseudo merlin]

I need to watercool my current build though cuz it's making like 35db noise

And it's annoying the shit out of me

I can't live with a pc that makes audible noise

[dense steeple]

the thing that pisses me off about asiahorse is if i buy it they stop making it

[lucid olive]

my GPU has a habit of spinning up like crazy when I start a new game

and then stopping after like 5 minutes

[pseudo merlin]

I thought that was normal

Don't all gpus do that when you boot something uyp

[normal pilot]

unlucky running intel

[dense steeple]

it is normal

whether or not you hear it is the question

newer bigger cards you hear more so its noticeable but its normal for them to spin up on the sudden start of a gpu intensive program

[normal pilot]

you prolly just need to adjus the cpu fan curve

[stone cairn]

What annoys me are the noises that are barely audible, but just loud enough to be heard lol

[normal pilot]

some companies set the default way too aggressive

[dense steeple]

the 40 and 50 series cards have to be or theyll melt

[stone cairn]

Real

[normal pilot]

not really

[pseudo merlin]

also yeah

[normal pilot]

the FE versions maybe

[lucid olive]

idk my 4080 super doesn't run hot at all

[modern totem]

Oh neat, thanks!

[lucid olive]

it's just a bit noisy sometimes

[normal pilot]

non-FE 40/50s run super cool

mine never breaks 62 even on 24 hour full load

[stone cairn]

Sometimes my pc will shake a little and a screw near the psu will rattle and it makes me want to throw the whole unit out the window lmfao

[dense steeple]

yeah i was mostly memeing

cause all these melted cables on reddit

[lucid olive]

but you have that programmer buff

if you know c++ the components run cooler

thats just how it works

[normal pilot]

if you wanna configure your gpu fan curve you can use fancontrol to customize

[pseudo merlin]

yeah you gotta fix that, I would lose it. For a while I had a mic cable sometimes make contact with a back fan of pc behind my desk and it would drive me insane

[lucid olive]

yeah it hasn't helped

i've tried all the regular fixes

adjusted curve in bios etc

[dense steeple]

omfg im gonna neck

i just did a once every 2 hour event and forgot to set endeavor

[normal pilot]

you just need to set the sensitivity thresholds/etc.

[stone cairn]

I havent heard it in a while. I dont even know if its a screw or not gonna be real. But whatever it was, I havent heard it in weeks.

[normal pilot]

can't do that with bios

gotta get fancontrol

[lucid olive]

yeah i have fancontrol

thats one of the regular fixes i meant

[stone cairn]

Is there a program I can use to turn the RGB off or at least change the color?

[dense steeple]

depends on your fans and shit

[lucid olive]

depends on what component it is

[dense steeple]

like the answer is yes there are programs to do it, but are you compatible

[stone cairn]

I just dont like my pc looking like a bag of skittles XD

Fans are made by Cyberpower

[normal pilot]

what motherboard do you have

[stone cairn]

B650-M asrock

[normal pilot]

if you've connected the rgb cables to the mobo you'd have to use asrock's software or try openrgb

idk how shitty asrock's is, but usually mobo rgb software are barely above malware

[dense steeple]

can try this too

[stone cairn]

Lol fair

[normal pilot]

yeah if you wanna just turn everything off might be some bios options

[lucid olive]

whats your goto rgb color

[stone cairn]

I would either do green or red

[lucid olive]

green W

[tacit oriole]

Green is big dubya

Fav color

[pseudo merlin]

Why not. Are you not a real gamer?

[stone cairn]

All the colors mixing together is a migraine that hasn't happened yet

[stone cairn]

I wouldnt say im a hard-core gamer no

I just play to escape

[pseudo merlin]

Real gamers like everything RGB

All the time

Its mandatory basically

[dense steeple]

rgb makes it faster

thats why all my parts are rgb

[pseudo merlin]

Ya like red paint on a car

[stone cairn]

Lol

[dense steeple]

did you notice my white rgb psu wityh my white rgb ssds?

[stone cairn]

I see a lot of things XD

White psu
I can't see the ssds

[dense steeple]

the white blocks on the right

[lucid olive]

I really want one of these cases and then a desk with the same walnut finish as the front

[stone cairn]

Ooh I see it now

M.2

White stick thing

XD

[stone cairn]

I almost bought one of those

[dense steeple]

theyre not m.2s

[normal pilot]

i thought the wood finishes were jsut gimmick, but they actually look nice once you get one

i got an antec c8 with the wood

[lucid olive]

That looks good too

[stone cairn]

[normal pilot]

if you have the real estate dual chamber cases are jus tso much easier to work in

vs the usual towers

[dense steeple]

heatsink, there is an m.2 under that. but thats part of the mobo

[stone cairn]

Oh

[lucid olive]

I have a Corsair 4000d right now but its too small for my GPU and i didn't realize until after i bought the GPU

but now i'm procrastinating getting a new one

[stone cairn]

New case?

[lucid olive]

ye

[stone cairn]

What gpu is it that wont fit?

[lucid olive]

4080 Super

[stone cairn]

Ooh

[normal pilot]

do you just have the panel off

[lucid olive]

yeah i took off the front panel

the problem is the 360mm rad

there's no room for it at the top, so need it on the front

then the GPU is too big

so had to take front panel off and mount it awkwardly

[stone cairn]

Like one of those cars with half of the engine sticking out of the hood

Lols

[lucid olive]

its just the mesh thing at the front that is off, the actual panel is still there

so you don't notice at first glance

[stone cairn]

I dont even know if I can take my panel off, im sure I can but I have no idea how lol

It opens like a door instead of just sliding off

[normal pilot]

new case might actually help with the gpu fan since new cases pretty mcuh all have bottom intakes you can blast directly onto the gpu

[pseudo merlin]

i saw that one too, looks cool. I got this

[lucid olive]

that looks neat

I want to get it with like a walnut desktop like this (just different drawers and stuff)

[pseudo merlin]

yeah thats nice

[lucid olive]

my desk right now is too small so have my PC on the floor

which is not ideal

[pseudo merlin]

I bought one of those mounting arms you screw below your desk

but it only has like 10cm clearance

[lucid olive]

yeah I think those look hideous

also would cram in my legspace

have a footrest below my desk and lean back like crazy

[pseudo merlin]

it's not the best looking, but it needs to be bulky to hold up the weight

usually dark below my desk anyway so you really dont see it

[pseudo merlin]

huh?

I have 120cm free space left-right between PC and the end of my desk

enough space for a footrest and moving around

the pc mount is on the side

not at the back

[stoic grotto]

anyone know how to make moonfire/sunfire desaturate on CDM if theyre not active on target?

or with an addon

[pseudo merlin]

Wait storage is up to like 100 bucks per tb

[dense steeple]

you cant

[lucid olive]

and any addon that interacts with sunfire/moonfire icon is likely to break something else like not showing pandemic glow

struggled with that on beta a few times

[pseudo merlin]

atleast yall still have pandemic

blizzard deleted pandemic for priests

[lucid olive]

gg

[pseudo merlin]

SWP and vampiric touch just dont pandemic rn lmao

[lucid olive]

idk i've had some really weird bugs with most addons that try to change CDM icons

[pseudo merlin]

yeah

my favorite one is where your auras just move

[lucid olive]

like the square for the glows is independent from the actual icon so you end up with like boxed in icons