balance

[plucky valley]

I actually tried to test it myself and upon logging into boomie I got an error message telling me to go jump off a cliff

[jaunty blaze]

quite based

[crude cargo]

you don't need to be meta to play the game

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/938612064132427826/1423076136191266958/Blow_Up_Druid.gif

[lofty depot]

They added a new button to the rotation, it's not overwhelming

It's essentially the same as it is currently

[craggy sonnet]

rather, the same as it was in the previous seasons

[spice roost]

ya lots of s2 vibes

cd wise

if anything the spec got easier

coming from s3

[nova ocean]

Haven't they done nothing to fix the we spam Starfall on st

[craggy sonnet]

they have pretty much done nothing in general since the last batch of raid testing (aside from very few pre patch notes that came out earlier)

[opal egret]

U think boomie will get tuning ? atm mages and devs blast on ptr

[royal zenith]

boomie will for sure get tuning at some point in midnight

mark my words

[craggy sonnet]

Numbers are still mostly useless to even look at

[lofty depot]

We will not be tuned

[royal zenith]

(will get nerfed)

[drifting nova]

I've got a boat to sell you

[royal zenith]

not interested!!

[drifting nova]

[willow creek]

Help a Balance Druid become a contender please. I hope this isn't too longwinded but I am a 714 level Druid and I am consistantly doing the lowest damage every place I go. Of course it is probably user error but my stats are intellect 80,000, and Stamina 705,000. I have obviously geared up wrong but is there any way to turn this around? I have enough Gilded Crest to craft an 727 level item, but despite having a few max level items I am still weak. Help PPPPLLLLLEEEEEAAAAASSSSEEEEEE.

[spice roost]

lol

is this a copy pasta

it reads like one

[willow creek]

I copied and pasted it from the general room. Is that a problem?

[spice roost]

lol no

[willow creek]

Whew you had me worried. I guess you don't have an answer to my dilema but thank you for your input.

[spice roost]

your extremely low geared but can post logs and maybe someone will look at them thats the way u get help

[drifting nova]

post the tom jiff I do not have it

[sudden pawn]

yeah ur dilemma is extremely broad, ur not doing low dmg because u have 700k stamina

[jaunty blaze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[spice roost]

there it is

[jaunty blaze]

got you

[willow creek]

Wouldn't more intellect give me more damage?

[quaint wave]

Link your character also, we can't see your gear, there are things ppl can tell u based on spec and just seeing your gear that will increase your danage

[sudden pawn]

yeah obviously but we dont know if youre playing rotationally correct

[drifting nova]

it'd make you smarter thats for sure

[sudden pawn]

or even if you have tier set

hence why we would need a log or some indication of a sim and or anything really to get an idea of where u are going wrong

u could slap on 10 more ilvls and still be doing low damage

[quaint wave]

Assuming you are using the correct weapon and caster trinkets, there is no way to optimize intellect beyond higher item level

Crafting a 727 weapon is almost certainly going to be your first step unless you already have a 727 + weapon.

[willow creek]

Thank you. I did get a somewhat useless Algari Chemist Stone Trinket.

[spice roost]

again post a log or your character

[willow creek]

To be fair I probably am not.

[sudden pawn]

yeah so adding ilvl or fixing ur stats (not that it really matters much anyway)

is not really gonna help if u dont know the basic fundamentals or rotation in general

hence why we need a log of you fighting a boss where u are doing low damage to see

[willow creek]

I will have to figure out how to do a log. Thank you for your help.

[spice roost]

whats ur toons name and server

[willow creek]

Very helpful.

[spice roost]

i tried lol

u didnt respond so

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/stallipiano-gif-8633409668543310298

[spice roost]

guess he doesnt want help oh well

[willow creek]

Alodar #2910 European server.

[spice roost]

the character name and exact server lol

theres no server named european

and that name is your btag lol

[craggy sonnet]

burner account doxxing themselves. gonna happen for sure

[willow creek]

Alodar Darkmoon Fair realm

[drifting nova]

🐱

[spice roost]

thats not boomy

lol

[drifting nova]

mhm..new player

I imagine the algari alchemist trinket is bad ..

[craggy sonnet]

thats not 714 ilvl either.
Where did you go other than LFR that had you at the bottom of the meter

[drifting nova]

eh, 713

close enough

[craggy sonnet]

i dont see a single key done or boss in the raid

raider io page says 707

hm

[drifting nova]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[delicate perch]

I base my ilvl off vibes

[craggy sonnet]

not updated it seems

[drifting nova]

arm has 713

[willow creek]

I did suspect this. Because I seemed to get weaker after I applied it.

[drifting nova]

it's a feral weapon

[spice roost]

u need a intellect weapon

[drifting nova]

weapons and trinkets do not share main stat

[delicate perch]

Agility good for cat, bad for chicken

[drifting nova]

like other items

so you need different for specs

[willow creek]

Bad craft?

[delicate perch]

Yes

[drifting nova]

I mean you can recraft it to int

but you were playing feral

so I imagine you wanted it then

[delicate perch]

You can not do that

[drifting nova]

cant you?

[jaunty blaze]

nope

[drifting nova]

see, I dont craft

[delicate perch]

No

[drifting nova]

[craggy sonnet]

its a totally different weapon

[spice roost]

its a polearm

[craggy sonnet]

you need to craft

[drifting nova]

only crafted once in my life, start of df

that silly necklace

[craggy sonnet]

silly you

[delicate perch]

But it’s like week 8000 so you have infinite sparks by now

[drifting nova]

really hate how the crafting system has become

I'm no genius but..bad?

bad

[delicate perch]

Not great but there could be worse options

[drifting nova]

atleast it's the right spec

[delicate perch]

Proc it before dryad

[spice roost]

also u have no enchants wrong spec weapons and bad trinkets @willow creek and no gems

[drifting nova]

he's learned well, he's ec

not stinky kotg

[delicate perch]

Oh

[willow creek]

Are you saying to ditch the alchemist trinket?

[drifting nova]

weapon first

[delicate perch]

Really depends on your options

[drifting nova]

thatl fix a large problem

[spice roost]

craft a intellect staff

[drifting nova]

the wep is..8k int

[spice roost]

start with getting a intellect weapon

[drifting nova]

to put it into perspective, you have the stats of 700

my 698 druid has 20k more int

[craggy sonnet]

weap is the biggest thing
missing enchants and sockets are significant as well. you can buy an item from the AH called "Magnificient Jewellers Setting" that allows you to put up to two sockets on neck and rings

[drifting nova]

you'e like 690-695 geared

[willow creek]

Ok I have enough gilded crest to craft a new 727 level , Which one should I pick?

[craggy sonnet]

there is an int staff or 2h mace

doesnt matter which one you pick

[spice roost]

make sure the one u pick is intel;lect

[craggy sonnet]

be careful, there is also a strength mace

[drifting nova]

so long as it has int

wait..druids can use maces?

[craggy sonnet]

craft it with mastery+haste missive

[spice roost]

yes kekkers lol

[drifting nova]

thought that was paladin only

for int

[craggy sonnet]

hm hm hm

[drifting nova]

whats the last int mace that dropped

[willow creek]

So recraft a weapon as opposed to some other thing to 727?

[craggy sonnet]

but its interesting actually .. there are no 2h maces with agi even, are there?

[drifting nova]

still find it weird hpals can use 2h maces

doenst feel right

[spice roost]

craftt a 2h intellect weapon iwith haste mastery and the ascension embellishment

weapon is your biggest need

[craggy sonnet]

Best-in-Slots i guess

[spice roost]

true

i forgot about that one

[craggy sonnet]

but other than that .. agi 2h maces are not a thing, are they?

[spice roost]

i think there was one in grim batol recently in keys?

maybe that was intellect

[drifting nova]

not that its much but there is a better reshi gem too

not that youd have known from the game itself

terrible implementation

[willow creek]

Only thing I can seem to find two handed is a charged claymore sword

[spice roost]

u need to get it crafted by someone

the staff or 2h mace inteellect

[willow creek]

Ok. I went to the crafting place and there was no way to place an order for that.

[craggy sonnet]

the mace is called charged invoker

[spice roost]

the staff is

[craggy sonnet]

the staff is vagabonds bounding baton

[drifting nova]

god I hope crafting gets deleted

[spice roost]

it wont

[drifting nova]

[craggy sonnet]

you are gonna be able to craft some decor items tho

thats neat

i guess

[willow creek]

I just saw that. the Charged Invokerooks like intellect is its highest stat.

looks

[spice roost]

yup

[craggy sonnet]

they all have just one primary stat

btw, you should read this guide to get a better grasp on the spec probably

[willow creek]

So you would really just throw the other 727 in the trash as opposed to crafting another item?

[craggy sonnet]

dreamgrove.gg/balance

[drifting nova]

or keep it if you want to play feral/bear

as it's an agility wep

[craggy sonnet]

your current weap craft is like having no weapon equipped for boomie

you can swap to it for feral bear

but it makes no sense to attempt playing boomie with it

if you do some content you will also be able to craft a lot more items

since there are a lot of catch up sparks that are gonna drop

[willow creek]

Ahhh. That makes sense.

[spice roost]

u will see a decent increase with the new weapon

[willow creek]

And would an intellect weapon help with gaurdian?

[spice roost]

no

[drifting nova]

weapons and trinkets generally change

when swapping between primary stats

[spice roost]

but the polearm u have will

[willow creek]

Ok cool, so its not a complete waste.

[drifting nova]

really wish they just made weps and trinkets swap like arm

[meager storm]

https://tenor.com/view/ziggs-zigmund-league-of-legends-explosion-ziggs-ult-gif-19900706

[willow creek]

Ok so the Mace or the Stave???

[jaunty blaze]

whatever you like more

it doesnt matter both have the same stats

[willow creek]

The think with the trinket is it boosts whatever my highest stat is, So I am not so sure I would ever get Intellect up to where it would be the highest stat.

[willow creek]

Thank you

[craggy sonnet]

wdym?

[willow creek]

I have the 727 Algari Chemist Stone. It only seems to boost my highest stat. I am not sure it does much besides boost my item level

[jaunty blaze]

it gives you int dont worry

[craggy sonnet]

but why wouldnt int be your highest stat

aside from some trinkets and weapons, all of your other gear is adjusting their primary stat based on your selected spec

[willow creek]

That was in my original post. Intellect is about 80,000 and Stamina is 700,000

[jaunty blaze]

it cant give you stamina

[willow creek]

I want Int to be my highest stat. But right now it is 1/10th of my Stamina...

[craggy sonnet]

Surely you have read the trinket description

[jaunty blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/121880895211831302/1459250768451211334/image.png?ex=696298ae&is=6961472e&hm=c9d33c6c1f7535abd3482e730db1466e25210b9649997ac02e6c287885a3d5c8&

it only either gives you strength agi or int

[willow creek]

Yes bit it says your highest stat is always chosen. As my strength seems to far outweigh my intellect then that will always be chosen. So I suppose its not great for Moonkin Balance

[lofty depot]

??? Strength isn't stamina

Ur int is the highest.

[craggy sonnet]

baiting?

[jaunty blaze]

if you dont trust you can always track the buff and see what it gives you

i kinda believe its bait

[spice roost]

I think he's a brand new player is all

[obsidian girder]

discord created today and instantly joined dreamgrove?

[lofty depot]

He's learning druid, locken

[willow creek]

Ok I assumed stamina was strength. So my Intellect will always get boosted with the trinket?

[loud kettle]

well they may have created a discord specifically to be able to join dreamgrove

[lofty depot]

Correct

[obsidian girder]

probably. first in a while ive seen a new account

[willow creek]

Thank you for being sensible.

[lofty depot]

@lucid olive

This guy fucks

[spice roost]

Lol

[craggy sonnet]

It's ragebait, see

[lofty depot]

[jaunty blaze]

truuuuue

[craggy sonnet]

Actually arctics burner

[lofty depot]

No that's @fossil shard

[spice roost]

Lmfao

[willow creek]

I have a feeling you don't need bait to be so paranoid.

[craggy sonnet]

2nd one

I'm just kidding

[lofty depot]

Silly clanker

[craggy sonnet]

For the most part

[spice roost]

God I would hate to be new to this game

I can't imagine

Especially the crafting

[fossil shard]

https://tenor.com/view/sensible-chuckle-gif-3532650

[willow creek]

Or something that rhymes with Clanker....

[loud kettle]

stanker

if anyone was curious

[willow creek]

No not that one.

[lofty depot]

One that starts with a W?

[willow creek]

Lol.

[loud kettle]

rik's wanking boots

[plucky valley]

i have a pair of those

[willow creek]

Well I have the new weapon I will let you know how it goes.

[spice roost]

did u enchant and gem your gear

you should

[willow creek]

I added missive and other enhancement

[spice roost]

if you care at all i mean

rings should have 2 gems in them same with neck and legs back wrist chest enchants weapon enchant

[willow creek]

Ok well I don't have gems in those. I will look in to how to add gems to those.

I wouldn't want to be accused of rage baiting by asking....

But a huge difference I noticed was my speed.

[zealous willow]

Magnificent settings purchasable or craftable.by jewel crafters. 2 per piece of jewelry.

[craggy sonnet]

good for you. because i already told you what item to buy from the AH to do that 🙂

[willow creek]

Hi. Yes I purchased them.

[willow creek]

Actually, someone else told me what to buy. You just said a lot of ridiculous nonsense like I was doxing myself and I was rage baiting. Very strange behaviour. .

[spice roost]

welcome to boomie disc

[craggy sonnet]

true

[lucid olive]

clankz being unhelpful:

[craggy sonnet]

its high up on my list for 2026

[willow creek]

Unhelpful is one thing. Paranoid is another.

[loud kettle]

not mutually exclusive fortunately

[willow creek]

Anyways I put Quick Onyx and Masterful Emrald in the ring and necklace slots. That is what I could find that seems good for Balance.

[craggy sonnet]

do you have a blasphemite socketed?

its generally considered worth doing (even if just for the movement speed) and get one of each color gem

ah damn, getting back into bad habits actually being helpful

[lucid olive]

log off

[craggy sonnet]

not even two weeks into the new year

[willow creek]

so Blasphemite has to be in one socket and a gem needs to be in the other?

[craggy sonnet]

blasphemite looks at the sockets across all your gear

[willow creek]

I tried to load a blashepmite into a bracer socket. But it didn't go.

[spice roost]

u can only have 1 on your gear

[craggy sonnet]

did you buy a raw blasphemite?

[willow creek]

yes i bought one

[craggy sonnet]

no i mean .. did you buy the raw material

or an actual gem

[willow creek]

I bought the gem

[craggy sonnet]

Elusive Blasphemite

do you have one already equipped?

[willow creek]

I dont think so . I will look

[spice roost]

he had one in his neck earlier today when he posted

[craggy sonnet]

share a screenie of your character sheet

[willow creek]

Ahh the culminating blasphemite went into the prismatic socket of my bracers.

m

[delicate perch]

based ui

[potent cargo]

same drip

[willow creek]

Intellect went up about 40,000

[exotic perch]

thicc

[lofty depot]

probably same damage

[delicate perch]

banger name

[potent cargo]

🗣️

[meager storm]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-dog-glorp-dog-gif-14273000689600138544

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[craggy sonnet]

ok, i dont see your sockets/gems on default character panel. so based from blizz..
what stats did you craft the weapon with? if you plan on maining boomie going forward, you might wanna recraft your ring as well

i believe that was crit haste?

[willow creek]

My stats are crap.

[delicate perch]

it do be

if you have a lot of sparks you could craft better statted off slots

[willow creek]

I have sparks but no gilded crests at the moment

So recraft with a focus on Intellect?

[delicate perch]

well only weapon will matter for that, rings/neck generally don't have main stat, leather items will swap

[craggy sonnet]

you can recraft this ring to mastery haste

also what are you even focusing on?

just dungeons / m+?

or

[willow creek]

If I recraft to mastery haste what stats will that boost?

[spice roost]

Mastery and haste

[willow creek]

I want to get powerful enough to even do the mythic.

dungeons

[spice roost]

Read wow head guide and practice

Your gear is already high enough for it

[willow creek]

Yeah. But when people with item levels in 670 are doing way more damage than I am there is a pretty big problem

[potent cargo]

i need a fkn cigarette

[potent cargo]

there are 100 factors for this

[willow creek]

Yes obviously. But look at your stats compared to mine. Your stats destroy mine.

[spice roost]

He linked a remix toon bro lol

[glossy jungle]

[delicate perch]

maybe one player has hands

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/ciggy-butt-brain-damo-and-darren-bogan-derro-scream-gif-16445116

[potent cargo]

[lyric kettle]

whered u get this gif of me wtf

[storm scaffold]

is there a place to go to get tips on how to do more dps in ToT as boomie in MoP ? im struggling atm

[hollow mist]

this is mostly a retail discord, if u go in #classic there's a pin for the classic druid cord that might be able to help

[storm scaffold]

ty

[light drift]

which power bar addon do you use in beta?

[glossy slate]

if you play Voidcore trinket, do u start the fight oom?

[craggy sonnet]

Ideally, yes

[glossy slate]

@craggy sonnet cheers

[round field]

But if ur oom how do you cast spells?

[craggy sonnet]

Don't think, just do

[deep hearth]

Thats ragebait, no?

[round field]

No?

You need mana to cast spells silly

[deep hearth]

Yeah you are right

[radiant onyx]

Sure this has been asked a thousand times but how is Boomie looking for Midnight in M+? Looking to return for it

[lofty depot]

no way to know, they havent finished tuning and even then, they tune after rwf then u figure out the meta

[rotund prawn]

Hey folks 👋
I’ve been running WeakAuras as my primary cooldown & rotation manager in TWW.
With Midnight beta what addons would you recommend I look into for cooldowns, procs, eclipse tracking, Astral power etc?

[dense steeple]

Default

[lapis bolt]

you choose your eclipse now 😄

[spice roost]

id use senseiclassresourcebar for asp

cdm does track the rest

[spice roost]

you still need to track it which is what they asked for

[cyan locust]

yo

when we sim astral antenna for other classes or whatever. is there a miss chance i should put it at? or how does that work

[lofty depot]

think 10-20 is fine... can do 30 if ur not very good at it

[delicate perch]

Just never miss

[cyan locust]

ok ty ❤️

[rough peak]

Has there been any word on the manual eclipse getting off the GCD in midnight beta?

[delicate perch]

[rough peak]

Haha come on now one can dream and hope

[lofty depot]

its like half

wouldnt expect it to be off gcd

[rough peak]

Would feel pretty smooth if it was though. Alright thank you

[drifting nova]

friction.jpg

wonder if theres a list of half gcds somewhere

[stone cairn]

I didn't know half of a gcd could exist

0.5 sec?

[drifting nova]

only one I can think of is sweeping strikes for arms but I dont play like half the classes

enough

dh probably has 1

it's giga cringe

[stone cairn]

I have 1 of every class, and I only play 3

[drifting nova]

SS itself does NO damage

and the planned damage it does do is budgeted into it's damage reduction on the second target

it's a big ..why

[stone cairn]

I almost never even use it. Im debating on spec'ing out of it

Cause cleave

[drifting nova]

out of? huh

[delicate perch]

hmmm

think it's time to bring this emoji back

@potent cargo

[potent cargo]

[delicate perch]

LMAO

[potent cargo]

which smokee are you today

[delicate perch]

[fiery shell]

Are there soft caps or penalties at certain %s? I feel like 33% is a bit high in the haste department but idk

PvP btw

[lofty depot]

#pvp

[potent cargo]

no this is fine

99.9% of pvp is ur gameplay not ur stats anyway

max versa and max haste all the way

[silk shard]

gotta get those fast clones

[formal trellis]

any talent build examples? haven't played it much before and i wanna get a feel for it

for midnight

[delicate perch]

yep

[formal trellis]

where might I find one

[lofty depot]

did u read the pin

[formal trellis]

oh perfect. ty. is starfall -still- better ST

[lucid olive]

very likely since there hasn't been tuning or other changes since the pin

[fast finch]

how "much" haste is enough? (i know sim everything etc etc) but im talking about how much feels "good" to play withtout losing to much dps

[stone cairn]

All of the haste.

every single ounce of it

[lofty depot]

is bad

[lofty depot]

if u dont like the feeling of what haste u have, add more

youll lose more dps by playing incorrectly than you will ever gain by having "correct stats"

[stone cairn]

Doesn't it hard cap and become useless to add onto at some point anyway

[lofty depot]

if you play worse with 3k haste than u do with 5k.... then u should play with 5k

that doesnt matter

our playstyle currently doesnt require a large amount of haste

mastery > crit > vers

whoops flipped it 🙂

[fast finch]

fuuuck then i made a mistake, i tought it was mastery>vers>crit lol

[lofty depot]

i think the difference is like 1 or 2%

doubt u would notice it

[fast finch]

in midnight the playstyle is remaining the same mastery>cirt/verse or it will be the same mastery > haste ( i know is early but how things are looking) ballparking it to have an idea

i dont have beta, thats why im askinjg

[lucid olive]

no way to know before sims are available

probably something more like season 1 and season 2

which is like mastery -> haste/vers -> crit

but the middle apex talent has crit interaction so it could change

maybe the nerf to treants also makes haste better since all your dmg isn't frontloaded into convoke in cds

[fast finch]

😮

[stone cairn]

Is balance in a good spot right now? I havent played balance in a very very long time.

Think 2014

[lucid olive]

nobody knows

[fast finch]

and about rotation?

[lucid olive]

in 2014 i was busy having a life

[fast finch]

basically the same adding eclipse?

[lucid olive]

the rotation is largely unchanged, you just add another button you press

unless you play elune's chosen then your total number of buttons is unchanged

[fast finch]

naah fuck elunes, was talking about ST raid thing, all i care is that im finally able to play boomie again lol

[lucid olive]

you've always been able to play it

[fast finch]

no, i was forced to switch to tank then to shaman

roster issue

in my guild

and we failed tto achieve CE this tier 🙁

[lucid olive]

you're not forced to do anything you don't want to

[fast finch]

i know i know but we wanted to achieve CE so that was the main goal

[lofty depot]

but u still have time 👀

also, u might dump asp at end of eclipse, which before u would not do that. So mentality change... granted a lot of bad players would dump randomly so depends how u played if it actually changes for u 🙂

[spice roost]

what change makes us dump asp at end of eclipse

does it have to do with starlord uptime

basicly being free

[lofty depot]

well... 1 if u keep a few assumptions that u dont want to use asp outside of eclipse and u dont want to overcap asp. You would want to make sure u have room to cast wraths outside of eclipse and not spend ever until u get back into eclipse.
2. Depending if elunes challenge is something u take, u would want to be under 40 asp when exiting eclipse

which again, are all just sim questions, but things to think about

[spice roost]

ah isee ok

[craggy sonnet]

I don't get this dump at the end thing. Wouldn't we not just spend aggressively during eclipse? Like press spender asap

[lofty depot]

depends on need to move but sure...

easier to make sure u have asp to dump at the end and have asp throughout rather than having no asp to move if u needed to

[lapis bolt]

it sends spells when you enter the eclipse so i don't know if they are willing to do such thing

[potent cargo]

healthy "friction"

[cursive mirage]

hot take: it feels fine on the half GCD. Going from 2 GCDs to get into eclipse to half and without GCD you'd be doing cringe fireblasty stuff with it

[craggy sonnet]

are you doing cringe fireblasty stuff now with CA?

its the same button basically. i dont understand why they should function differently

[cursive mirage]

well CA on live can't be used during spell cast and if you take orbital its on the GCD

I just dont think its really a big deal honestly. It feels fine on beta with half gcd

[craggy sonnet]

just saying it doesnt make sense

[cursive mirage]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[craggy sonnet]

if anything its confusing

for no apparent reason

[cursive mirage]

they want button presses to feel like you're doing something

I'd argue that the bigger frustration should be that when you incur the trees global, you dont feel like it does much of anything

[craggy sonnet]

sure, trees also feels bad

[cursive mirage]

at least pressing eclipse you get to see pretty bolts flying around and its only a half gcd

[craggy sonnet]

but you cant argue the point that eclipse and CA working differently as a button is nonsense

either or

[cursive mirage]

Well I am on record as saying I think CA existing as it does alongside eclipse is nonsense

but thats a different argument

[craggy sonnet]

sure. but thats questioning the current design on a larger scale

ye

[cursive mirage]

idk I just dont think its that big of a deal. Live version of eclipse is 2 globals to get into it

beta is .5

so many other things dont make sense, that is not the hill I think its worth dying on

[craggy sonnet]

its not detrimental

just nonsensical

and confusing

[cursive mirage]

I dont think it would make it feel any different if it were off GCD and might cause other random issues depending on how they implement and code

[craggy sonnet]

half gcds in general are kinda ??

[cursive mirage]

there are already bugs with spell queing things going into eclipse but we just dont worry about them

[craggy sonnet]

because they are not communicated ingame

all of that also applies to CA thoi

so either its an issue for both

or none

[cursive mirage]

yeah so put CA on the .5 GCD?

[craggy sonnet]

at least it would be consistent lol

obv rather not

[cursive mirage]

what if part of the power of CA is that its giving you half a global back!

[craggy sonnet]

daaamn

big

[cursive mirage]

gonna be honest

[craggy sonnet]

you really cant argue this one in good faith

its just design philosophy all over the place

there is no common thread

which is mostly what i have somewhat of an issue with

more than this specific example

[cursive mirage]

I think youre thinking too deep about it. New eclipse was a change to old eclipse and wasn't made with CA in mind (obviously). The comp is eclipse on live vs. eclipse on beta which is 2 globals compared to .5. The fact that people are comping CA and eclipse is more of an issue of those two things not being distinct enough buttons

[delicate perch]

there's still time, log in and lock in (stream tho so I can hatewatch)

[cursive mirage]

and yeah I realize that saying you cant comp eclipse and the CD that puts you into both eclipses sounds ridiculous but outside of them using the same name/triggers for talents they just aren't the same

Like beta CA could read "Increases all damage by x% and triggers all eclipse-related effects" instead of "maintains both eclipses" or w/e

[craggy sonnet]

no they are exactly the same .. in terms of their effect on activation and providing a passive dmg buff

[craggy sonnet]

that being no effect on activation baseline with the apex shenanigans added on top after investment

[cursive mirage]

trust me I think you and I are on the same side on most of this. I think CA should have been changed with this new eclipse world. I am just saying that they aren't thinking about CA as "the same as eclipse but stronger" like you and I are

[craggy sonnet]

doesnt help arguing about it anyways

[cursive mirage]

I just dont think the half global really feels bad

also to be clear this is ONLY true after you get apex talents

it feels weird as fuck without apex

[craggy sonnet]

its just a headscratcher to me is all.
i think they made an effort sometime in shadowlands where they also gave their design intentions at the time with regards to abilities impact and how that relates to them being on/off the gcd

[cursive mirage]

Yeah I forget if it was slands or bfa

[craggy sonnet]

and i dont like them being so inconsistent

[cursive mirage]

but they stated back then that they didn't want a bunch of things off the GCD because it led to people macroing everything together and was stupid

[craggy sonnet]

yes

[cursive mirage]

so they started putting stuff on GCD but making it feel cool to press

[craggy sonnet]

they consolidated buttons and stuff

and that

apoc

or whatever

some uh dk things

but this is not an issue in this case

[cursive mirage]

and even then it wasn't 100% consistent but thats been the general philosophy. No class gets a ton of off-GCD stuff but anything on GCD "does something" when you hit it

[craggy sonnet]

we dont have many ogcd buttons

yes

and regardless of the connection between eclipse and CA, both are in exactly the same category when it comes to that philosophy

[cursive mirage]

Yeah I just think CA is the one behind the times in this new iteration

[craggy sonnet]

maybe

[cursive mirage]

They are making eclipse have the button press do something and putting it on a half GCD but CA is just a relic of the past that didn't get worked in

so its just hanging on

[craggy sonnet]

arguably copping out of the ability doing something on activation being the apex is still weird

thats why its only half i guess

kek

[cursive mirage]

I do agree they should probably make it 0 GCD before apex I guess

but I dont really care that much about the "leveling experience" of wow

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[craggy sonnet]

Smh. Elitist takes

Ruining my game

[cursive mirage]

[rough peak]

Yeah makes sense now. Did some testing tonight and feels fine.

[acoustic pawn]

is there a addon or any other way to make the personal resource bar not look like absolute ass?

[lucid olive]

you can disable it

[acoustic pawn]

LULE

But I want a nice way to track my AP 🙂

[lucid olive]

okay get a resource bar addon

[acoustic pawn]

Any recommendations, big boss?

[lucid olive]

senseiclassresourcebar

[acoustic pawn]

thanks

@lucid olive you got a banger addon tip for buffs as well?

[potent cargo]

pray blizzard implements buff filtering

or we are all cooked and no addon will save us

[lucid olive]

no just cooldown manager

there's a few addons that try and hook into the cooldown manager but they're all dogshit

[shut tundra]

Playing with no addons on beta has been quite nice

Definitely gonna cutback on prepatch

[late dawn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dL6wVt2N5S3G3vrSyLvF3c

probbably irrelevant in a few weeks, but which of these two would ultimately lead to longevity/longer to replace: Boots, Antenna, or Araz's trinket

[round field]

uh

neither

ur gonna replace all with random quest green

[stone cairn]

^ my favorite part of the new expansion drop. "Wow, look at this amazing epic 730 piece I have!"
Gets replaced by a quest item

[quaint maple]

Hi! New balance druid here. Looking at buying stuff for the coins, gonna buy Araz's trinket since it seems the best for balance. Can I macro it to Incarnation or is that bad?

[quiet drift]

Its good

[spice roost]

@quiet driftwhy would we not run this next patch

i mean midnight

considering how cds are

in raid i mean

[boreal knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1427256238651084895/1449176622124105830/IMG_1718.gif

[stone ledge]

15 second grace period is nice for planning movement/mechanics

[quiet drift]

This

You gain from not being forced to literally press on CD

[vale pebble]

@quiet drift why not?

[quiet drift]

vs 1 more dream burst

[quiet drift]

I just listen to the smart people

https://tenor.com/view/teto-teto-world-domination-i-feel-so-sigma-sigma-i-gif-1779894782794229296

[meager storm]

the day dream burst does any dmg we will take it

[boreal knot]

who are these smart people

[quiet drift]

+1

[boreal knot]

is it @airidk

[quiet drift]

Oi_5555

[stone ledge]

It’d need to be a very specific fight

Maybe if they increase target cap it could be a thing for kotg m+

Will we be getting a compendium update in prepatch or waiting til launch?

[boreal knot]

@pallid bay

[pallid bay]

@pallid bay

[spice roost]

theres no sims for prepatch right so wouldnt really matter

[stone ledge]

Mainly for gameplay optimization really more then anything

[iron fox]

can someone tell me how we feel about the on use eclipse and/or other changes?

[pallid bay]

please tell this man how to feel @lucid olive

[lucid olive]

furious

[spice roost]

lol

[iron fox]

Yea, please correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like they’re just taking a system that’s already baked in and making it into something that gives the illusion of something else to do/another button to press? (I haven't deep dove anything as of yet so forgive me if I'm totally off base and missing something lol)

[exotic perch]

yea instead of removing eclipse and making a better system

they just made it a separate button

lazy solution but better then it is right now

[iron fox]

I'm not sure if ill get hate for this or not lol but I enjoyed how it played in mop.

That being said I was extremely casual back then so idk how i'd feel about it now

[lucid olive]

Midnight version is definitely better than current Eclipse

everyone has different opinions on what the spec should be

and i'd rather be happy when we take 1 step forward than be mad when we go 3 steps back

[exotic perch]

i would like the actual button press of eclipse to feel better

give astral power or do more damage the the bolts lol

[spice roost]

doesnt it proc the dryad too

[exotic perch]

maybe i dont remember rn lol

invisible procs suck

[spice roost]

lol

people will never be happy

no matter what

[quiet drift]

The has been like

20+ different iterations

Everyone will prefer something else

[spice roost]

yup

[exotic perch]

eclipse is a cool idea of a buff for the class

but they have had so many iterations its just never hit

[iron fox]

so how is it currently better in midnight than on live?

[spice roost]

u control when to use it

thats why its better imo

[iron fox]

that makes sense

[spice roost]

less globals to use it

can switch anytime its rdy

also the cd lining up is better

[exotic perch]

yea there are times rn where casting 2 starfires is brutal

just being able to tap it is nice

[sudden pawn]

delete moonkin

[drifting nova]

change for the sake of change is not good change

[exotic perch]

this change is good

but many of their design changes for moonkin are bad

[pallid bay]

[spice roost]

could be worse we could be feral in midnight lol

[lofty depot]

if u know the dimmy fight... trying to enter eclipse while doing excess mass will be far easier with an instant cast eclipse button than casting 2 starfires

[iron fox]

that makes sense

[spice roost]

it really applies to so many fights

[delicate perch]

log off please

[drifting nova]

if you have a car you already have a wheel

[lofty depot]

can u try that again

[delicate perch]

damn

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/winnie-the-pooh-think-think-gif-15324290528311488474

oh wait

its me

fixed

https://tenor.com/view/kid-stuttering-meme-have-you-ever-had-dreams-you-do-so-much-you-could-do-everything-gif-16991242

just picture this as me

[quaint maple]

Is Araz's the best on use trinket for EC m+?

[lucid olive]

not really

the one from Eco Dome is pretty good

double passive good too

[quaint maple]

aha! gottcha. thanks.

[quaint maple]

for passive, would you recommend HC Antenna or Mythic Parapodia?

[lofty depot]

parapod

[quaint maple]

thank you 🙂 sweet, both trinkets from one dung!

[delicate perch]

Both trinkets from a vendor!

[restive jolt]

yeah im debating using my last dinar for a parapodia

[dense steeple]

we hate remix but we're stocked up in case we want to make a legion torture room

[stone cairn]

I loved Lemixx

[restive jolt]

how much bronze did u dump for those, i have 2m waiting

[mortal pond]

guys, im going insane. Everything seems to reference New Moon as an ability but I cant find it...where the hell is it? Talent? Spell? Where???

[drifting nova]

class talent..right side?

[mortal pond]

omg it's a choice with fury of elune

ty

[restive jolt]

once upon a time it was the talent to take

[sudden flame]

[round field]

casting full moon smells

keep it dead

[ionic surge]

Once upon a time it was an artifact ability

[delicate perch]

take me back

[drifting nova]

cant rip aggro now, bad game

[royal zenith]

wow in general is an artifact

[somber path]

just 10 years since legion

[delicate perch]

[drifting nova]

inject legion classic into my veins

[potent cargo]

blizz are actually condimented

that they are getting rid of fkn

legion remix

and ther's nothing to do until midnight

[tawny cloud]

Hey, im starting to look a little into midnight. (Made my first char yesterday for endgame) where should I go to look into talents and rotations etc,
Is icy veins good enough olace to start or do you have pther recommandations?

[drifting nova]

whats being served?

[potent cargo]

dreamgrove.gg once it's updated for midngiht

well, good now too

for the next x period until then

[tawny cloud]

Ah thanks, didnt think to look there 😅

Nvm i read it wrong. Didnt read the "once" part. Yeah id use the dreamgrove when updated. But i mean for now

[royal zenith]

there are no guides for midnight, cause it's not been released yet

any resource other then that is either this discord or content creators

[potent cargo]

wowhead prolly got a guide for rn

[tawny cloud]

Thanks alot

[stone cairn]

Sadness

with ranch and mustard.

[lament sigil]

Hi @royal zenith

This week is the biggest build we have ever seen and then infinity tier lists?!?!

[royal zenith]

I have to admit @lament sigil

I have checked out completely on WoW

[jade flume]

No shot

You were the chosen one deux

[lament sigil]

What the

[lucid olive]

find a tier list and check back in

you love tier lists

[lament sigil]

@royal zenith I’ll reignite your pash with a ton of tier lists. I’m on tier list watch 2026

Got petko subscribed

[craggy sonnet]

Join the petko discord locken

[muted citrus]

FYI all

[royal zenith]

the issue is not the tierlists

it's the game..

[sudden flame]

the game is bad and feral is bad coincidence?

[jade flume]

What if its not feral thats bad, its us

[merry ibex]

full moon sucks

my starsurge hits harder then full moon does

🤣

[lucid olive]

I needed all this information!

[muted citrus]

you're welcome. I am happy to help anytime

[fast rose]

The devil hates Yuri?? 😨

[eager raft]

@royal zenith u there?

[royal zenith]

partly

some atoms at least

[eager raft]

Hope u have been doing well

[royal zenith]

yeh sure

why not

[eager raft]

Have u been playing any other games

[royal zenith]

Yeah path of exile

And whichever game is fun

NOT wow!!

[jade flume]

Wow is fun

Path of exile is bad

[royal zenith]

So wrong

On so many levels

[dense steeple]

Im a loyalist Colgate user

[jade flume]

You will get it when your older...

[eager raft]

I feel this. Haven’t raided in a month and have barely logged in

played beta keys with some friends a couple times but they were not very fun!

[lament sigil]

we need an IV infusion of pash to deux STAT

[royal zenith]

Aint gonna work

Its joever

[round field]

game dead

body will refuse iv

its jover

[lucid olive]

icyveins?

[round field]

yes

my stomach refuses icyveins

makes me puke

[unborn perch]

am I cooked for filling in a balance druid need for Midnight

[lofty depot]

no

[plucky valley]

Yes. Cooked all the way + overdone if you ask me. You’re literally a fried chicken at this point gl

But also no

[lofty depot]

Fried chicken good

[round field]

boomkin is fried chicken but the skin isnt crispy and its drenched in oil

also somehow raw in the middle

[unborn perch]

I just need positive reinforcement

As I come out of retirement to play a chicken

Having fun blasting in remix at least but haven't tried the beta setup with all the changes

[lofty depot]

Well if u want to know what it's like, go play beta

Somethings might change, assuming u won't Starfall on st.

[exotic perch]

and nothing will come close to remix for moonkin

having 100% haste all the time is a different game

[delicate perch]

haste

[silent yarrow]

I have a midnight beta theory crafting question about the EC build in the pins: Since Ascendent Eclipses increases the damage of our first 3 starfalls/surges after entering eclipse, in big AoE situations (8+ targets), is it best to ignore any free starsurge procs from starweaver and just spam starfall 3 times to spend all 3 ascendant stars procs? Assuming this is true, my follow up question is: at what target count would this not be the case?

[delicate perch]

probably prio damage

[silent yarrow]

I've mostly been playing it by feel, yeah

if the thing needs to die, i'm gonna send the starsurges

It would be nice to know the target count though so I can make a more informed decision about just how much damage I'm losing on everything else by doing that

[delicate perch]

That’ll be probably updated in Dreamgrove when it hits live

[lucid olive]

It's a sim question really and we can't do those right now

You make the robot spend in every different way and see which one gives the best result

It does feel bad to ignore your free Starfall procs just cause you need to spend your apex talent buffed spenders

[silent yarrow]

Yeah

I have no data to back this up

but it did feel like my damage went up when I sent them only on starfalls

[lucid olive]

On 8+ targets it's probably worth ignoring the Starsurge proc unless you need prio dam yeah

Spending it only gives Solstice and Shooting Stars has target count DR

[silent yarrow]

Yeah. there's so many other effects in that build that are buffing your damage early on in the eclipse

I think that build does have a lot more depth than what meets the eye

There's also the question of, if you have a free starsurge BEFORE your eclipse, is it better to delay eclipse by a global to spend it or to use it? I think the answer is likely to delay eclipse, which also feels very bad especially when you're at 2 charges. I've had that happen a few times early in a dungeon when the first pack died during incarn

[lofty depot]

If the proc would last long enough, I doubt it. Also though process wise you might just ignore surge procs in packs above say 6 mobs. But again, sim question and if u wanted the prior dam or not

[plucky valley]

You have to ask yourself with each button press: “is this iconic behavior or would it be flop era?”

[lusty echo]

Is the rotation more complicated in midnight ?

[lofty depot]

it'll be more like s1 and s2, on the face no its not more complicated

[spice roost]

wouldnt you say its easier

?

[potent cargo]

boomy easiest rotation in game

[spice roost]

considering the cds line up better and no double ca stuff it seems much easier

[lofty depot]

i dont find either version complicated so no

it didnt lose anything so how would it be easier

[spice roost]

easier to line up cds is all i meant

[lofty depot]

cds line up better implies we arent gonna have to move them around for fun

u dont know that they line up better yet

u remember araz prog

[spice roost]

i meant with eachother the trees+ convoke +ca combo or ca+ convoke

wasnt talking about lining up for fight timing

[lofty depot]

tbf most people dont do the technical timing finding out

they just copy

so its not really hard for them to find their ca + convoke timings

the trees timings how ever

btw these araz timings were like 99% using on rip and now like half are first add set

wonder who started all that

[stone ledge]

i was sending mine at the top cause my guild was lusting on pull to skip 2nd phase

i hated araz

[lofty depot]

lust doesnt matter all that much

[stone ledge]

yeah, just felt turbo bad just wrathing for 30 seconds in lust haha

[lofty depot]

thats more wraths

big dam

[potent cargo]

brother even rwf

i go lorgok or krona or cayna stream

put timing into ert

follow blindly

brain off

[lofty depot]

yee

[loud kettle]

stinky padders man

[lofty depot]

remember first few weeks people playing EC on soulbinder

those are stinky padders

[loud kettle]

bro even the first few weeks idk how you could pad on soulbinder adds

they've always exploded

[lofty depot]

play in a shit guild

[maiden pasture]

boost people

[potent cargo]

insane guild is great for st boss parse

dogshit guild is great for aoe boss parse

pad ts up

[lofty depot]

look at the dates

[potent cargo]

ttvtettles padder

[lofty depot]

sept 9, 716 ilvl

took people a month to catch my power

gear fed >

took me 10 ilvls to catch that korean guys power

[stone ledge]

we got to the point where we skipped all adds popped everything lived in the middle and the adds STILL died too quick to pad

[lofty depot]

fights fun for a few weeks to try and do stuff

then shit just dies :/

[dense steeple]

arctic recruit me

i'll be your guilds 3rd best boomkin

[lofty depot]

u sure u can beat all the alts?

[sudden pawn]

the only thing i beat is my meat

[lofty depot]

only thing getting beat in your house, is u by your dads

[sudden pawn]

wrong hes dead

noob

[lofty depot]

would be odd that your uncle beats u with his left femur

but nonetheless, still works

[dense steeple]

i'm pretty sure i can beat one at least

[sudden pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/nub-cat-nub-silly-cat-depression-depressed-gif-5883714320658611738

[drifting nova]

test me I'll take 1st and run with it

[glossy jungle]

for the few attempts I was in for prog of that boss i started saving for first add set. Then I was quickly replaced

[lofty depot]

thats cuz they didnt know ur true power come 330

[glossy jungle]

Think our rogues were also complaining their funnel was getting fucked because everyone was aoeing too much

[lofty depot]

if you cant handle us at our weakest

you dont deserve us at our strongest

[lofty depot]

rogue players and their ability to not care about anyone but themselves

[glossy jungle]

We had one gquit this tier mid prog

Rogue mental ain't strong

[lofty depot]

https://tenor.com/view/the-burnt-peanut-mhm-mhm-mhm-gif-4266639228818891588

[potent cargo]

lmao

i think bew quit pre prog

at one point in time

rip

[glossy jungle]

wasnt him this time. Was another yellow man

[potent cargo]

where doof and lev go

wtf

i see zorthaslemon is the big boss now

[glossy jungle]

IRL

[potent cargo]

the job reaper must come for everyone

unlucky

[royal zenith]

[spice roost]

whats the deal with the top pin

a thing from 2018 got pinned this week?

[royal zenith]

What are you, the pin-police?

[spice roost]

was a question to as why ...relax

[royal zenith]

I dont see anything 2018

But I am on phone

[royal zenith]

Could be a buggerini

[spice roost]

ya maybe

[drifting nova]

seeing ghost pins

count your days

[spice roost]

i restarted discord and its gone thats wierd

i guess it was a bug

[royal zenith]

has happened before

[livid jay]

https://www.twitch.tv/tettles/clip/VastElegantWaspPMSTwin-sNtAoE7bdYzv01gs

[craggy sonnet]

damn .. what happened to the hair. i thought that clip was from 5 years ago

[crude cargo]

its joever

[round field]

why are we losing to the tank...

[crude cargo]

wrap it up

[potent cargo]

dude i do like 15m on a pack

how is this guy doing so little lol

[round field]

balding and washed

[craggy sonnet]

trying his best

[round field]

happens to the best of us

[livid jay]

maybe trying out some talents 😄

[sudden flame]

Is astral power generation always beeen this good seems like bro is capped 24/7

[fossil hemlock]

Good streak of free casts

Plus trees + 2x shrooms

[sudden flame]

crazy didnt they remove the talent that gives you more ap when you press treants

bountenous blooms

[fossil hemlock]

Yeah but trees still give 20, eclipse dryad gives +10% generation to most things and each treant moonfire gives you the AsP

[round field]

being capped 24/7 lowkey smells

wasting resources feels bad

[maiden pasture]

wtf is this dungeon

brackenhide version 2.0 or what

[pallid bay]

are shrooms good

[round field]

depends on the shroom

[sudden flame]

Does EC play treants now

[round field]

well

warrior of elune kinda doesnt exist anymore

[livid jay]

i like the constant starfall hammering if it does damage and u play with weaver

[sudden flame]

ye but you can path around it

kinda weird that boomie is locked in to always talent solar beam

[craggy sonnet]

This is kotg

[sudden flame]

im asking a general question

[round field]

why do u care

meowmeow

[craggy sonnet]

Ok, then I don't think trees do anything

[sudden flame]

no relating to whatever tettles plays

[craggy sonnet]

For ec

[round field]

trees by themselves are kinda dookie

wiwhout kotg talents

pretty sure if you press treats on ec they will just die in 2 globals

[fossil hemlock]

20 asp per minute and no damage

[craggy sonnet]

Yea, they taunt and die

[pallid bay]

p sure you'd only press them if you had downtime

[fossil hemlock]

They don't do damage anyway, just send them underneath yourself

[round field]

so never?

[craggy sonnet]

And if for some reason they don't, then they auto attack for beans

[round field]

why would you press trees instead of a starfire

[pallid bay]

movement no AP

[fossil hemlock]

Big out of combat generator

[pallid bay]

but a moonfire might just be better

[round field]

if u have movement no ap its skill issue

just press dot instead no

[sudden flame]

like building a purely ST build you would surely take it since the alternative is 10% moonfire damage right?

[pallid bay]

right so you should be able to relate

[round field]

no

[pallid bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320599387566506065/1326573955774939277/media-iv-text.gif

[round field]

if i dont have ap for movement i dont move

i turn my mistake into healer mechanic

[round field]

see

[pallid bay]

raidleader mechanic

[round field]

too bad we have bad healers

...

1 heal and i live there

[pallid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-monkey-banana-eating-sad-gif-6230069

[round field]

bana eating sad gif

[sudden flame]

So from a talent perspective 10% moonfire might actually be betetr than treants for ec?

[round field]

oh for sure

[pallid bay]

[sudden flame]

[round field]

trees have been bad since the dawn of time

about as worthless as a feral druids raid spot

[pallid bay]

treants is a gcd that does barely any damage

[maiden pasture]

ur supposed ot know this G

[pallid bay]

generates 20 ap

[maiden pasture]

or is all the TC passion gone

[pallid bay]

its too early

think im logging in

[maiden pasture]

i c

[sudden flame]

I look at half the talents in your tree and genuinely cannot figure out if they are good or not

[pallid bay]

u can just not pick them is no biggie

[round field]

theyre like

completely whatever

a lot of talents just exist

[pallid bay]

they're not supposed to be picked by EC..

[pallid bay]

thats because they're all the same generic dogshit

[sudden flame]

thats aoe talent

[round field]

whats aoe talent

[sudden flame]

idk all the ones on the right

[round field]

ok but

whats the problem?

[quiet drift]

Youre playing Starweaver 90% of the time

[sudden flame]

is astral communion good

[round field]

if ur playing ec u want aoe talents

cause ur not playing st fight

if ur on ec

[pallid bay]

click a talent and literally nothing changes

[sudden flame]

thats what im noticing ye

[pallid bay]

except a dot goes from 20 to 25 damage

[sudden flame]

its just a random passive buff to a spell

[round field]

sometimes*

have to proc first

[pallid bay]

this is a maybe tbh

more dam in eclipse

[crude cargo]

will you consult the unreadable graph

on another note didnt they remove passive shrooms

[pallid bay]

no they made them worse

or the other one better

[round field]

so basically they removed them

[pallid bay]

basically

[sudden flame]

wtf is total eclipse it just gives you CA - the haste or does it give you the full effects of CA including from incarn with the crit

[pallid bay]

it dosnt give you CA

gotcha talent

[round field]

just gives both eclipse

not the same as ca

[sudden flame]

[pallid bay]

so no CA/incarn benefits

just both eclipses

[crude cargo]

kind of ass talent

for 2 points wtf

[sudden flame]

this the the talent build i came up with without playing boomie and only reading what the talents do
thoughts? did i cook

[quiet drift]

Worst thing ive seen

[sudden flame]