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#balance
lofty depot
supple haven
Nothing will entice me away from nelf because of shadowmeld 
scarlet tapir
Absolute aura mooknin form
lofty depot
Is my only defensive for m+ :/
scarlet tapir
Will they make class good to go with it
drifting nova
Nothing will entice me away from nelf because of shadowmeld <:moonkas:3878852336...
and the flips never forget flips
drifting nova
all of them
lofty depot
Ahhhhh
lofty depot
Tettles live in 1 hour?
misty vapor
what are the talents looking like ?
true viper
lucid olive
good job wowhead
covert coyote
https://www.wowhead.com/news/all-talents-tree-on-midnight-alpha-so-many-new-tale...
all the other trees work even devourer DH
drifting nova
..it never did
covert coyote
typo
drifting nova
huh
lofty depot
Why he fake
covert coyote
damn hunters got buffed, why their lines longer
glacial lion
is it normal that the jastor diamond sims so extremely good? like no ring ive got in my vault are simming better than the jastor? xd
covert coyote
is it normal that the jastor diamond sims so extremely good? like no ring ive go...
post sim
nova ocean
Heart of the wild is now a aoe CD lol
tardy fiber
is this new right?
hexed nacelle
fossil shard
is it normal that the jastor diamond sims so extremely good? like no ring ive go...
no, post sim
nova ocean
That's the only thing we might have lost
lofty depot
thank god we have 2 point node for dawgshit
lofty depot
is this new right?
it do be new
lucid olive
thank god we have 2 point node for dawgshit
says 2 points for forestwalk too
surely a mistake
drifting nova
surely
rough marten
chat we're free, they deleted boomkin
lofty depot
says 2 points for forestwalk too
and here
covert coyote
chat we're free, they deleted boomkin
lofty depot
i got bad news for u
round field
heart is now a defensive
I will not defensive
inland stump
The new tree looking good?
round field
No
inland stump
Damn
tardy fiber
it's good if it doesnt even exist
true viper
balance on the page now
tardy fiber
think about it
lofty depot
lucid olive
lofty depot
BIG
lucid olive
true viper
lucid olive
"The two modes of Eclipse share a button"
drifting nova
pulsar is so back
fair mist
Boooo rng
pallid bay
28 second cooldown?
drifting nova
"The two modes of Eclipse share a button"
back to an actual eclipse bar big
true viper
What is this rework
round field
Wtf am i reading
lucid olive
28 second cooldown?
I assume the tooltip is taken with this talent also taken
covert coyote
this seems like a no brainer choice
lucid olive
this seems like a no brainer choice
Yeah the choice is not interact with it 
drifting nova
28s so you buff 1 eclipse for 15s
lofty depot
this seems like a no brainer choice
yea skip both
sudden pawn
more fast
sleek verge
They get rid of waning?
drifting nova
waning isnt even bad
tardy fiber
where is WoE
lucid olive
where is WoE
🙅♂️
gentle scroll
covert coyote
drifting nova
where is WoE
the only good ability canned smh
tardy fiber
stellar baseline 
drifting nova
say it aint so
covert coyote
meteor for burst aoe, kindling for bigger health add aoe 
drifting nova
starfall summons new moon when
tiny tendon
Did they keep dryad tier
scenic mist
Did they keep dryad tier
tiny tendon
💀
jaunty blaze
lofty depot
yes
scenic mist
how is EC supposed to do dam then
scenic mist
drifting nova
"we heard you only spam starfire so spam starfire some more"
..not not like that
woe was the only interactable ability over both hero talents
covert coyote
I need a tettles vid to tell me if these are good changes or not
drifting nova
good for ele shaman 🙂
tardy fiber
stellar flare, woe baseline + one more eclipse button 🙏🏿
woven moon
Ok
lofty depot
wdym CD of eclipse
read them all
drifting nova
28s cd
lofty depot
lil gup
sly wadi
especially the first node
maiden pasture
in aleafgyue gam
scenic mist
didnt read everything yet
are they cooking good with the rework ?
maiden pasture
oh its just
jade drift
i dont get it
tawny nest
So what you gotta hit a button now to enter eclipse? Kinda weird imo
upper anvil
so how are we feeling about the changes
lofty depot
didnt read everything yet
are they cooking good with the rework ?
surely
where is tettles
WAKEY WAKEY
drifting nova
or is this just MoP ?
eclipse bar is coming I believe
tribal vale
🐼
scenic mist
eclipse bar is coming I believe
lofty depot
covert coyote
so we're stuck bouncing between solar/lunar again?
upper anvil
doesnt it mean if you fuck up your eclipse youre cooked
covert coyote
also wtf how are your pics so small
scenic mist
ye but looking at the new talents, entering eclipse with less than 100% asp is pure grief
lofty depot
also wtf how are your pics so small
im zoomed out prob
nah u can take astral communion now and ur first surge is like 15
🙂
them putting communion there like im taking that
aint no way
drifting nova
where even is it
lofty depot
under whjirling/orbital
lofty depot
Imfiredup
scenic mist
the fuck is this
wet cloud
looks like vault choices
flat sable
Can anyone recommend a good plater profile? I've seen a couple that turn plates blue when they have moonfire on but can't find them on wago. would like something similar
small elbow
So basically we aren't always in eclipse then? Since it's 15 secs with a base cd of 28 secs
Interesting
drifting nova
the fuck is this
I got 2 rings in vault, I'd trade
placid olive
Wait they are adding an ICD on eclipse again?
small elbow
If I'm reading this correctly yes, which I might well not be doing but eh
dry compass
Goddamnit they did the manually triggered eclipse concept but it's a new button?
The chance to make full moon useful was right there
lofty depot
if u manually trigger eclipse with 1 button
thats 1 less button press
cut the "ramp" in half
lock in
dry compass
I guess
Our damage profile going to need so much adjusting if we're swapping to ~50% eclipse uptime
barren carbon
So you press eclipse then wrath and you go solar? The wording is annoying me
dry compass
So you press eclipse then wrath and you go solar? The wording is annoying me
Cast spender to determine eclipse type then activate eclipse
I think
quartz kindle
is it 50% though? theres a talent that gives eclipse an extra charge or am i dumb
night gulch
damn they didnt remove starfall, unlucky
placid olive
So we can’t weave between ST and AOE? Lol like in a key, AOE AOE AOE, prio target needs to die and we wait 28 seconds to go back to AOE or st?
lofty depot
barren carbon
Cast spender to determine eclipse type then activate eclipse
That sounds like the more intuitive option, but I assumed the worse one lol
lofty depot
it says "will be entered"
dry compass
is it 50% though? theres a talent that gives eclipse an extra charge or am i dum...
I haven't read all the talents yet so maybe not but charges only influence uptime at the start of combat
lofty depot
meaning ur last casted wrath or starfire ig
placid olive
It’s the same thing they started with in shadowlands it sounds like lol
lofty depot
wonder what happens on dungeon start where u would then have to dot everything, cast a starfire, then eclipse
daring gull
how we feeling on the new forms. ngl i kinda really like the boomy form
lofty depot
unless u can prep it
small elbow
Will be entered when you press the button. Maybe it saves the last cast and that's the eclipse it'll use?
placid olive
unless u can prep it
Right
zinc yacht
I really hope they give a mass moonfire option
lofty depot
I really hope they give a mass moonfire option
got bad news for u
dry compass
Idk doesn't seem like it addresses the issues with eclipse? Still need to cast to pick the right eclipse, still locked into whatever eclipse that is for a fixed duration
tardy fiber
so u press one starfire on last 2 sec of eclipse and press eclipse. So ur eclipse uptime is 100% now, no?
small elbow
That makes Elune's Challange decent I guess. 25% cdr for 13~ seconds
Or whatever downtime we have
dry compass
so u press one starfire on last 2 sec of eclipse and press eclipse. So ur eclips...
Lasts 15s and 28s cd to enter eclipse so... No
zinc yacht
so u press one starfire on last 2 sec of eclipse and press eclipse. So ur eclips...
No. Kinda like 15/28
dry compass
Surely we get a mastery rework with this right?
night gulch
theres a talent
lofty depot
well it says 2 charges
night gulch
for 2 charges
dry compass
Idk reserving judgement for more info but I am not optimistic on how this looks
night gulch
it doesn't look particularly engaging but im happy to be wrong
zinc yacht
2 charges mean you only get 15s more duration for one encounter
solemn idol
Good news is its alpha at least so we'll get more info as whoever was invited can provide more playstyle info
night gulch
if the charges cd simultaneously that be would be a decent amount of uptime
zinc yacht
One good thing is that we get more survivability
dry compass
Good news is its alpha at least so we'll get more info as whoever was invited ca...
Bad news is you're not likely to convince them to make large overhauls before launch
night gulch
the way it seems now we'll do damage during cds and be bots outside of it, like how it is currently
dry compass
Launch boomie will look approximately like what alpha boomie starts as almost guaranteed. They will tweak but not overhaul
bright vortex
Any indication there is mastery update? Would love just damage increase in eclipse, not the current version requiring dots applied, driving ramp
inland stump
Are we back or is it over
quartz kindle
2 charges mean you only get 15s more duration for one encounter
how
barren carbon
Are we back or is it over
Both
lofty depot
Any indication there is mastery update? Would love just damage increase in eclip...
waiting on a boomkin content creator to surely log in
lime swallow
yo anyone can help with the single target rotation?
anny good logs to check the timeline?
lime swallow
for raid that is with KotG
lofty depot
SHIT
pallid bay
are we dooming guys
dry compass
Any indication there is mastery update? Would love just damage increase in eclip...
I would assume there's one but nothing in what I've seen dictates one
tawny nest
lofty depot
for raid that is with KotG
u can look at r1 logs usually
but the rotation is on dreamgrove.gg
dry compass
Mastery has been detached from eclipse for some time so eclipse overhaul doesn't guarantee mastery rework
lofty depot
are we dooming guys
sir log on to alpha
signal temple
So wait, what does this mean for EC, the superior Hero tree?
lofty depot
thanks
lime swallow
ty mate
lofty depot
So wait, what does this mean for EC, the superior Hero tree?
its like 4 months til release, no clue
pallid bay
sir log on to alpha
which one do i click?
lucid olive
Are we hyped chat??
lucid olive
Are we hyped chat??
bleak crest
no, it looks bad, and I am not usually a doomer
signal temple
Are we hyped chat??
wet cloud
round field
thank fuck
tiny tendon
One good change 
small elbow
So yes, Mastery is now flat dmg instead of on dots
lofty depot
why do u have wrong enchant on weapon
bright vortex
So yes, Mastery is now flat dmg instead of on dots
Sweet jesus finally
lucid olive
what are you tracking dots for
waning removed
mastery is flat dmg and not sunfire/moonfire
log in
dry compass
Yeesh mastery is flat dam?
small elbow
Yeesh mastery is flat dam?
That's what Tettles is saying
lucid olive
Yeesh mastery is flat dam?
yes
just pure nature/arcane dmg increased by x%
and its not like they added any other scaling talent
and they removed our 1 talent with crit scaling
dry compass
Boring
lucid olive
so we just go full mast again
dry compass
Please give designer who actually has some ideas for the class
scenic mist
what are you tracking dots for
well it's more the generall WA HUD going away that bothers me
@drifting nova
you did it bud
now you can focus the crusade on crests
tawny nest
and they removed our 1 talent with crit scaling
Wasn’t this added because our damage scaling is dookie once we’d get to like the last patch in an expansion?
Or I’m just gaslighting myself
livid jay
why do u have wrong enchant on weapon
ty
dry compass
Wasn’t this added because our damage scaling is dookie once we’d get to like the...
Little of that little of "you want as much mastery as possible and don't care about anything else" not being a very good gearing experience
royal zenith
scaling is a placebo
true viper
So where did natures vigil go
lofty depot
it gone
waxen holly
I think its removed
lofty depot
fake button anyway
waxen holly
fake button anyway
TRUE
lofty depot
new renewal still there
true viper
How is that even fair
livid zephyr
Have they given any info on class changes besides whatever Wowhead datamined for the new talents? The new eclipse seems actually interesting but I can’t tell if it’s gonna be good or not.
lofty depot
Have they given any info on class changes besides whatever Wowhead datamined for...
go to ur local content creator
livid zephyr
Ah damn. I can’t twitch right now but I’ll catch up to it later I guess. Ty
inland stump
isnt that the same thing besides no extra dot damage now
lucid olive
yes
azure flax
Is there someone good at analyzing logs? I cant figure out my mistakes and need some assistance for Moonkin.
lucid olive
removed sunfire and moonfire requirement
waxen holly
now remove it from the apl lol
lofty depot
Is there someone good at analyzing logs? I cant figure out my mistakes and need ...
post a log
and find out
dry compass
We're not going to cast moonfire in M+ are we
scenic mist
removed sunfire and moonfire requirement
are we ever pressing mf in m+ from midnight launch even
livid zephyr
We're not going to cast moonfire in M+ are we
I’d be very okay with that.
sly wadi
Dotting up ads while other classes just start blasting was a bit painful
livid zephyr
I don’t understand why they made it possible to pull aggro with only moonfire while a tank is rounding up mobs and actually hitting them as they pass by.
jade drift
merry ibex
Removing renewal seems like a uneeded nerf
azure flax
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TqCJMB2rwaLgF3Nf?fight=last&type=summary
Its this fight which represents how things often go... Zuldruid is doing on average 2mio dmg per starsurge more than me... yet we have almost the same amount of casts...
Am i doing something complety wrong?
dry compass
You have an awful lot of haste sir
azure flax
That is the only problem?
upper anvil
this seems meh, you still would want to dot stuff due to talents and stuff boosting MF and SF, moonfire is a decent chunk of dps currently, the cd for eclippse seems ok, but if you do die during a pull or twice youre kinda screwed
or is my understanding wrong here
dry compass
Oh good forestwalk is a two-point useless PoS now
dry compass
or is my understanding wrong here
If dot damage stays the way it is right now with mastery reworked you wouldn't be dotting at all for mastery
true viper
Hey guys is boomkin gonna be meta in midnight
dry compass
You pretty much only dot for mastery/waning. Asp gen and shooting starts are so low they're not worth the gcds
Wuh oh
Wellness check on #resto
lucid olive
Yeah there is just not a node there
merry ibex
This is the craziest class redesign I've seen in aĺ my time on wow, at least for something I've been playing
true viper
they just simplified every class from what it looks like
merry ibex
I adore the mastery change and I hope the eclipse works out. Don't love having a new button just to enter it though
dry compass
Why is this not in the immediately-below Resto specific changes? Are we getting ironbark?
lucid olive
cause it's hero talent changes
it's below the keeper of the grove hero tree section
which is shared among the specs
dry compass
Right but there's a Resto specific section for kotg changes right there
Someone made a bad sectioning decision
restive hearth
Wow...they actually changed how you enter eclipses
lucid olive
oh man
night gulch
its just bad formatting
lucid olive
i remember telling someone yesterday that i can't wait for the DG frogs to start deconstructing wording in blue post and jumping on semantics
lucid olive
thank god
dry compass
I can always be relied on to jump on semantics
copper basalt
is it even worth starfalling on forgeweaver? the echos just get nuked with gearlevels these days
lofty depot
U don't worry about tuning numbers in alpha dawg
upper anvil
yes sir eye sir
copper basalt
just some sneaky padding?
lofty depot
Tragic
upper anvil
wasnt umbral inspiration and WOE good tho, espically WOE in keys
dry compass
Woe very good in keys
lofty depot
Get mad
low sigil
where is this info posted? i don't see it on wowhead. im blind
lofty depot
Smolder apex talent
fast parcel
Make orbital just apply moonfire and sunfire and it might be worth playing
lofty depot
It was worth playing before whirling
drifting nova
I declare ultimate victory for the stellar flare haters
wtf
lofty depot
Blud crazy
upper anvil
whats apex talent
drifting nova
cooked removal list
muted remnant
Aren't we entering rotational button bloat now with the eclipses
drifting nova
wasnt umbral inspiration and WOE good tho, espically WOE in keys
yes
muted remnant
But sounds exciting
ripe slate
i was told these class changes would make me doom but it turns out thats just because it came from a spec who's getting owned
low sigil
Alpha development notes
thank you
lucid olive
I declare ultimate victory for the stellar flare haters
idk what to feel about these
drifting nova
warrior of elune was good
lucid olive
we lost a couple interactions and gained a bunch of passives
dry compass
Mixed imo, WoE will be missed
muted remnant
I mean you are still getting that automatically when you enter an eclipse
lofty depot
i was told these class changes would make me doom but it turns out thats just be...
Which spec
lucid olive
now you enter Eclipse to proc 10 passive buffs to do dam
upper anvil
crit during eclisp causes folks to take extra damage is crit gonna be more prio next sesaon for keys
ripe slate
Which spec
arcane mage
dry compass
Yeah I'm still not sold on the new eclipse
lofty depot
Yea mages get fucked
muted remnant
Astral smolder and WoE are just baked into other stuff but they are not gone gone
lofty depot
Fuckem
upper anvil
arcane mage
how bads the changes to arcane mage
dry compass
Seems like they want arcane mage style mini-burn usage but that makes the regular rotation so fucking boring lmao
ripe slate
apparently nasty but i havent read it myself
drifting nova
Astral smolder and WoE are just baked into other stuff but they are not gone gon...
cant wait for woe to autoproc when you dont want it to
too many passives is bad
muted remnant
I mean you enter an eclipse and woe is active with it
You choose when you enter an eclipse
So should be fine?
daring gull
on a scale of raw to absolutely cooked, where are we?
jade drift
U don't worry about tuning numbers in alpha dawg
no cap, im feeling they at least used some thought on those changes
not just braindead nerfs or buffs and moving stuff around
muted remnant
Anyway, gotta find 2 good new keybinds now for eclipses, exciting
Carpal tunnel incoming
upper anvil
its not too bad, ive played fury for a hot while thats real carpal
wet cloud
Anyway, gotta find 2 good new keybinds now for eclipses, exciting
It’s gonna feel like tiger’s fury on feral side ngl
muted remnant
Is it many buttons though or just speedy pressing
muted remnant
It’s gonna feel like tiger’s fury on feral side ngl
That's one of the worst things about feral m+ for me ngl
upper anvil
its more pressing
if anything, having more buttons isnt as bad as pressing imo
espically if eclipse is like every so often
muted remnant
Fair, preference I suppose
keen bloom
How we gonna get the binds
daring gull
wait wtf. we only get starlord stacks in eclipse
upper anvil
youre only really clicking it every so often when its dotted and such
you know what sucks about eclipse tho
daring gull
it existing?
upper anvil
if you use the wrong one by any mistake you get taken into the other one
yes
but blzizard isnt removing it anytime soon
daring gull
my favorite part of eclipse is how each subsequent version of eclipse seems to progressively get worse
upper anvil
i just hated dotting everything prepull gather and into some seconds of lust
daring gull
make moonfire work like sunfire
call it a day
- give trees ability to use sunfire
never think of dots again
yw blizz
upper anvil
just remove dots, buff more dps on other stuff ezpz
low sigil
sounds like we are gonna have burst cleave which is good.
daring gull
this seems like stonks for not having our mastery tied to eclipse tho
upper anvil
i think changes are kinda good, just gotta readjust
i dont really see much issues with this tbh
i just wanted the moonfire dotting everything before you press bottons or you lose lots of dps to be removed and it did so im happy
daring gull
i do not like the starlord change considering its duration and eclipses cd of 30s but maybe it ends up being nonissue
muted remnant
if you use the wrong one by any mistake you get taken into the other one
I mean imo the change is good, if you got into wrong eclipse now you can't do nothing about it, now it auto changes. Also the first 3 casts will be instant always, so can just easily swap
daring gull
or maybe cancelaura macro just becomes necessary
loud narwhal
So what you guys think about the changes on moonkin ?
daring gull
tbh
muted remnant
or maybe cancelaura macro just becomes necessary
What would you need a cancelaura for, I am confused though, starlord auto resets when you enter an eclipse
daring gull
losing renewal hurts bad
unless they somehow make us more tanky
or the damage not being as bursty with unavoidable shit
muted remnant
They said they changed healing overall
Should benefit us theoretically
With steady low hps
muted remnant
Yea that's trash still
daring gull
What would you need a cancelaura for, I am confused though, starlord auto resets...
missed that part. good catch.
seems like a decent first draft. hopefully they dont go the entire xpac neglecting us again
muted remnant
Yea, some of the interactions are bit fresh and new, just gotta read the fine print
Same with people already missing WoE or Astral Smolder
daring gull
we get 4 points
but there are 2 point nodes
"For our specialization trees, we’re expanding them in a particularly unique way by introducing Apex Talents. These Apex Talents are intended to be the pinnacle of our specialization trees and provide a deeper fantasy and excitement than the average talent. Unlike Hero Talents which were focused on previously unexplored themes for classes, Apex Talents are focused on the core fantasy of each specialization and hone into core gameplay mechanics in new, powerful ways.
Apex Talents first unlock after reaching level 81 and are available beneath the (currently) final section of the specialization tree. They will cost a total of four specialization talent points. The first point is spent on an initial keystone that provides a large boost in power and introduces new gameplay. The next two-point node emphasizes the Apex Talent or a few core abilities for the specialization. The final point applies to a capstone that brings the Apex Talent into a complete and cohesive package."
idk if we get all of them or have to choose between
muted remnant
Ah rip, well, guess you gotta pick 2 then
loud narwhal
anyone got a link for new talents ?
dry compass
then again its arcane and magic damage but shrug
most of the damage you're taking in raid is magic damage
but does tend to be the case when you as a dps are taking physical damage it's pretty nasty
muted remnant
Interesting mechanic anyway, so you can end up in a situation where the apex talents are so bad that you rather take 4 normal talentpoints instead
upper anvil
meh midnight is months away i no worry till day comes if i even paly by then lmao
daring gull
Interesting mechanic anyway, so you can end up in a situation where the apex tal...
that would be wild
muted remnant
Matter of time till it turns out we're the first to do that ngl
daring gull
i mean shit i'd do it for the memes
muted remnant
Back to when starfiring was better than wasting a GCD on starfall
dry compass
this seems good
muted remnant
We already got this in game
dry compass
...do we
muted remnant
Since season 3
dry compass
I'm checked out 
muted remnant
💚
copper basalt
is it possible to get the second trees to line up with the second dryad starsurge buff on pull?
or is it just holding starsurge for no reason
covert coyote
no
dry compass
your second dryad starsurges will be without trees
you COULD do some cook of not using trees during convoke and delaying your first CA dryad starsurges until late into second CA to get both sets of dryad surges with trees
but that wont be worth giving up BoaT for first set and trees during convoke
boreal shale
So will we be changing how we play much or slightly the same with a few minor differences?
daring gull
do something like this but with the extra points
muted remnant
So will we be changing how we play much or slightly the same with a few minor di...
You don't need to cast 2 starfires/solar wraths every 15 seconds anymore
That's huge changes already
ebon parcel
do i have to monitor gathering moonlight and alter my rotation/CA to fit into gathering moonlight ?
leaden birch
guys I've had 0 luck getting a mythic chest
do i just send crests into my hero piece
muted remnant
What about the star lord aura?
Auto resets when you enter eclipses, lasts up to 20 seconds, etc.
boreal shale
Auto resets when you enter eclipses, lasts up to 20 seconds, etc.
THANK ELUNE
daring gull
the second you do you get one in your vault
leaden birch
coral relic
so hows the mood here regarding the new eclipse?
lofty depot
Auto resets when you enter eclipses, lasts up to 20 seconds, etc.
No more cancelaura tech hmm
dry compass
so hows the mood here regarding the new eclipse?
cautiously pessimistic here
formal crest
I'm checked out <:VerySadCat:845090284231458817>
Bro is bald
boreal shale
so hows the mood here regarding the new eclipse?
Idk seems good but would have to wait and give it a try
dry compass
Bro is bald
i donated 16 inches of hair 3 weeks ago i assure you i'm not bald
its short now but its still there 
sturdy pumice
sunfire and moonfire damage amp changes are big also
i might be able to actually change my target sometimes
boreal shale
i donated 16 inches of hair 3 weeks ago i assure you i'm not bald
Man when you don’t read ahead sometimes. . . Oh boi 😆
Idk would be kinda nice if they just merged sunfire and moonfire into 1 ability
copper basalt
you COULD do some cook of not using trees during convoke and delaying your first...
its just soo close to lining up, but it would probably be worse
muted remnant
No more cancelaura tech hmm
Gonna have enough tech on our hands with calculating best time to pop eclipses now
lofty depot
Gonna have enough tech on our hands with calculating best time to pop eclipses n...
New vinter problem to fix
muted remnant
Hope at least this widens the gap between Single Button Rotation and real play
muted remnant
Ooh la la
Let's hope we don't receive drastic changes 2 weeks before Midnight that render all the prep null and void 🙂
boreal brook
Eclipse not off the GCD is yucky
eager pivot
eclipse not being removed is more yucky!
drifting nova
half gcd like sweeping strikes, bet
plucky valley
I think Mark Cuban is kind of hot
muted remnant
Eclipse not off the GCD is yucky
Damn that's yikes
Tbf if it's like treant spawn in Resto it might be ok
But was the GCD mentioned in the notes?
snow elm
Is eclipse replacing incarn or something
snow elm
But theres a talent that has a chance of eclipse entering both lunar and solar
Isn’t that the same thing
muted remnant
Ah yea, also Casino Spec, glad to have that again
dreamy locust
lofty depot
Eclipse proc > w.e. random procs we have
dreamy locust
I wonder how 3rd one works
woeful chasm
Just more Starfall damage basically yeah?
lofty depot
Surelly
boreal shale
How much will are rotation change?
dreamy locust
Its either going to be broken, or its going to be useless
muted remnant
Meteor Storm is on a choice node with Aetherial Kindling, doubt you'll take it for higher keys
lofty depot
How much will are rotation change?
Who knows
dreamy locust
Just like lunar shrapnel then
dreamy locust
Meteor Storm is on a choice node with Aetherial Kindling, doubt you'll take it f...
M+ yap
Its a raid tool since boomkin cant do dmg on any fight with short aoe
muted remnant
Idk whether you'd waste a point on it, I mean on a councilfight like Soul Hunters I'd still only imagine Kindling being picked?
dreamy locust
exotic perch
ye Meteor Storm is actually perfect there as a choice node
one for extended cleave, one for burst cleave
dreamy locust
lofty depot
Idk whether you'd waste a point on it, I mean on a councilfight like Soul Hunter...
Well yes, but fights like Araz. U could take the 100% faster to do damage to the orbs
exotic perch
youd prob take it for forgeweaver too rn
quiet drift
Soulbinder
lofty depot
OAB with those adds
muted remnant
Fair enough, I guess I have too much ptsd from being useless in situations like those so I don't even get my hopes up
dreamy locust
I doubt itd see play, but dimensius adds if your guild needed it
Im just stockholmed into starfall being useless on every raid boss that isnt
council fight
Fyrakk, summons a wall of adds spread across 80 yds, still dont take starfall
muted remnant
Orbital strike would have been a fun one to use on that if it was good
lofty depot
Fyrakk, summons a wall of adds spread across 80 yds, still dont take starfall
Imagine all fights are ST now
dreamy locust
I vant to do damage
tender elbow
boys if I'm understanding this right, we are going back to the pendulum style of Eclipse that was in Warlord of Draenor?
dreamy locust
Nope
lucid olive
no
dreamy locust
Take reading lessons GG
royal zenith
tender elbow
okay so not like that
tender elbow
<:gsus:939585676729524296>
bro not JesusDoms ffs
dreamy locust
Just a joke, not intended meanly
royal zenith
never forgetti
dreamy locust
Last one you used it said
royal zenith
you just cast whatever spell is best for the situation
woeful chasm
Oh I misinterpreted ok that makes sense
tender elbow
it changes based on last spell cast
so i cast wrath and go into solar? and if i cast lunarstrike/starfire we go into moon?
I swear I'm not stupid
dreamy locust
Maybe, we dunno if its still reverse style, or normal now
Surely its cast wrath go into wrath eclipse, then wouldnt copy this current bad system
woeful chasm
No shot you have to cast a single wrath and it converts your eclipse button to lunar that would be awful lol
tender elbow
No shot you have to cast a single wrath and it converts your eclipse button to l...
THANK YOU
dreamy locust
Yeah, we definitely dont currently cast lunar to go into solar eclipse
It would be so dumb
woeful chasm
It sounds like moonfire and Sunfire will fill that gap, seems like they're buffing them bigly
dreamy locust
My interpretation was, they are buffing them to be same power as now, just not require eclipse buffs
woeful chasm
Oh or that yeah
dreamy locust
Which isnt very strong
jade drift
It sounds like moonfire and Sunfire will fill that gap, seems like they're buffi...
Yea i mean but we cant be just farming AP for 15 to 17 seconds
And letting our dots on the target
normal pilot
being out of ecl doesn't matter much since it's a charged CD
woeful chasm
Well you can still spend AP outside of eclipse lol
normal pilot
and ecl/CA are shitty buffs
lofty depot
No shot you have to cast a single wrath and it converts your eclipse button to l...
- Wrath doesn't send u into lunar
- Can't test dungeon combat / key start stuff. But it keeps ur last cast
jade drift
Well you can still spend AP outside of eclipse lol
Ik but im talking about How effectivie this dmg Will be
While outside of any eclipses
normal pilot
you don't avoid casting outside of ecl right now because of damage
the damage diff is minor from ecl
lofty depot
Well you can still spend AP outside of eclipse lol
U still likely rather spend more asp in eclipse than outside of
Eclipse is more important now
woeful chasm
Hopefully we don't have to overcap
lofty depot
Because it has less uptime
woeful chasm
Outside of ecl
copper basalt
worth holding CA a few sec on forgeweaver to dryad splash the first set of adds?
lofty depot
worth holding CA a few sec on forgeweaver to dryad splash the first set of adds?
Some people do that
dreamy locust
You dont have long to hold if you want to have double amp CA
If you doing the 3:30 lust first amp strat
stiff maple
I mean 2 charges with the 2 second cdr on eclipse should mean you can have full uptime in eclipse no?
lofty depot
U can hold for 20 seconds and have it for amp
normal pilot
it's 2 charges, not double recharge
lofty depot
I mean 2 charges with the 2 second cdr on eclipse should mean you can have full ...
No
lucid olive
I mean 2 charges with the 2 second cdr on eclipse should mean you can have full ...
me when math
lofty depot
Eclipse is from what they said like 60-80% uptime depending on what ur doing
bronze topaz
which version of eclipse are we at now since it was introduced?
lofty depot
Depends where u want to start
trail hinge
5?
normal pilot
that doesnt' really mean anything they can call it w/e they want
current "Eclipse" has nothing to do with what most ppl considered eclipse which is the cata/mop system
lucid olive
imagine if they removed eclipse and named this thing "nature/arcane fury"
and people would be like POG ECLIPSE REMOVED??
silk shard
midnight ver is almost like a mini CA
trail hinge
and people would be like POG ECLIPSE REMOVED??
they should
so i can pog elcipse removed
tiny tendon
Bring back the pendulum eclipse just to really cause a riot
exotic perch
imagine if they removed eclipse and named this thing "nature/arcane fury"
are you gonna be the new mk form
look so goddamn hilarious love it
fits the bill of a moonkin form
strange edge
Mothman form
gritty wraith
ngl, reading this, it sounds aids
zinc yacht
Bye bye moonfire
gritty wraith
but i couldbe wrong
lofty depot
Bring back the pendulum eclipse just to really cause a riot
Hey bud, question. Did u guys sit a mage named blastiful
He used to be in my guild and wants to come back lol
bronze topaz
Bring back the pendulum eclipse just to really cause a riot
bring back the RNG with crits from WOTLK as well
gritty wraith
at first glance, this is feeling like a reroll angle
jaunty blaze
lofty depot
bring back the RNG with crits from WOTLK as well
lofty depot
at first glance, this is feeling like a reroll angle
Sorry u think that
Crazy opinion
bronze topaz
this isnt as bad as not getting starfire crits for 3-4 casts
and not proccing solar
jaunty blaze
Bro saw the very first footage of alpha and instantly rerolls
bronze topaz
what're you even gonna reroll to, every spec is getting overhauled
tribal vale
the blinking feral druid
lofty depot
Firemage so u can spam ib and pyro
gritty wraith
Sorry u think that
i mean, just a first glance thought, will of course give it a try but looks a bit clunky
id swap to lock
or mage
if i did
digital berry
Anybody got a link can’t google around right now
lofty depot
Link for what
lofty depot
i mean, just a first glance thought, will of course give it a try but looks a b...
Change is clunky
Wcyd
Them changing dot mastery and eclipse and u swapping off seems like a choice
Addressing actual problems of the spec
digital berry
Link for info about changes to balance for midnight
gritty wraith
i just did
lofty depot
Emnithy....
lucid olive
Nothing more clunky than Sunfire/Moonfire ramp into double Starfire casts before you can do any damage
gritty wraith
more wondering how eclipse and non eclipse windows will feel. but as i said, ill give it a go ofc and decide form there
bronze topaz
surely we get options for burst aoe after this overhaul right
muted remnant
Are we really not gonna press dots anymore now in m+
round field
we did?
bronze topaz
Ur burst AOE is full moon now
im deleting my druid
lofty depot
Are we really not gonna press dots anymore now in m+
Maybe on big mob
lucid olive
surely we get options for burst aoe after this overhaul right
We did
lofty depot
Maybe while gathering a little. But ultimately not as much as we are currently
lucid olive
Are we really not gonna press dots anymore now in m+
Press dots for Shooting Stars
muted remnant
Gonna feel weird, I dislike them gutting dots this much, also saying that affli, feral and assa are "too hard" because of dot management
digital berry
Emnithy....
What? I’ve been up for too many hours already I’m cooked
muted remnant
Like yea they are but let them do more damage for good management
lofty depot
What? I’ve been up for too many hours already I’m cooked
Wowhead.com. dork
lucid olive
Like yea they are but let them do more damage for good management
That's just a tuning issue
The expansion is 5-6 months away
Don't lock in opinions on builds and what the end result will look like now
muted remnant
Totally fair but also when was the last time dot classes on average were better
Legion?
lucid olive
Undermine
lofty depot
Undermine, just not us
gritty wraith
Don't lock in opinions on builds and what the end result will look like now
i fear i have already overreacted and crashed out
upper anvil
Gamz are you getting into alpha
jade drift
so if u enter the wrong eclipse u can just swap by using the other one?
or if u want to swap mid pack / pull
muted remnant
Yea just use starfire or solar wrath based on preference
Edit: actually you can't
jade drift
thats big
lucid olive
Gamz are you getting into alpha
No get me in there
upper anvil
Go bug tettles
lucid olive
so if u enter the wrong eclipse u can just swap by using the other one?
How are you gonna enter the wrong one
lucid olive
Go bug tettles
I have
upper anvil
Clearly not good enough
lucid olive
You hear that @wicked shuttle the frogs want you to give me alpha
lofty depot
Gonna be so cool when u casting. Wrath doesn't benefit from solar cuz ur in lunar before u cast it
jade drift
How are you gonna enter the wrong one
have u never panicked use starfire?
tiny tendon
Hey bud, question. Did u guys sit a mage named blastiful
Unfamiliar with the name sry (I’m also at work so it took me a sec)
upper anvil
Or go tell tettles to make vis on boomie changes. I want to see it in gameplay
lucid olive
have u never panicked use starfire?
Eclipse is a button?
jade drift
Eclipse is a button?
it is now
sand isle
Where can I see the notes for druid?
lofty depot
Unfamiliar with the name sry (I’m also at work so it took me a sec)
Ur fine
jade drift
Where can I see the notes for druid?
lofty depot
Where can I see the notes for druid?
Wowhead, with all the others
sand isle
ty
muted remnant
How bad is Renewal Removal though
lucid olive
I don't think it's bad
gritty wraith
a lot of classes have had defensive type abilities removed
lofty depot
Pruned healer shit so I don't have to press shit to live, the healers do
U still have the new renewal talent
lucid olive
Almost every spec gets defensives removed and healers got a lot less powerful
lofty depot
It's beans tho
lucid olive
It will all just depend on how dmg intake is tuned
wicked shuttle
Renewal sucks
muted remnant
I just feel like we already didn't have much, bring me back to Shadowlands times of sturdiness
wicked shuttle
We shouldn’t need it
gritty wraith
Renewal sucks
no u
jade drift
Renewal sucks
alpha vid when ModCheck
wicked shuttle
It’s a game problem, not an us problem
muted remnant
Yea, hope they don't drop the ball
lofty depot
I just feel like we already didn't have much, bring me back to Shadowlands times...
Mages got pruned down to 3 from 7, we only lost 1 it's fine
lofty depot
Vigil is fake
bronze topaz
remove bear form and give us a real defensive surely
drifting nova
bring back the RNG with crits from WOTLK as well
so what we have now? with the blue dot
lofty depot
renewal saved me a bunch in myth prog ong
Yes but ur applying the idea of needing to live to what they in theory want to change
U shouldn't need renewal to live
digital berry
Wowhead.com. dork
I think I’m blind I can’t find the article
bronze topaz
drifting nova
nova ocean
We literally lost nothing important other specs are just being brought down to our level
muted remnant
Mages got pruned down to 3 from 7, we only lost 1 it's fine
I guess I can revel peacefully in that knowledge at least, thanks for the good news
drifting nova
We literally lost nothing important other specs are just being brought down to o...
warrior of elune, smh
rough sapphire
what compensates for the renewal removal?
nova ocean
I'm talking about defensive pruning
drifting nova
why fix the core fundamental issues of a class
when you can throw a dart at the dartboard again
HUGE
nova ocean
what compensates for the renewal removal?
We still have the auto one
lofty depot
what compensates for the renewal removal?
None u don't need compensation
nova ocean
Hopefully they have some incarn changed coming
lofty depot
Was gonna say hotw defensive now
lofty depot
But cat weaving 👀
drifting nova
defensive pruning better make the game 10x slower
wicked shuttle
alpha vid when ModCheck
Prob will make a moonkin monthly with games and sune this week
lofty depot
Disgusting
lucid olive
Who's games
exotic perch
Prob will make a moonkin monthly with games and sune this week
holy its back
lofty depot
What the
lucid olive
I care
wicked shuttle
Games
nova ocean
It's funny that we got our 2pc but not our 4pc as a hero talent
tiny tendon
Autocorrect 
lofty depot
Fun detected
wicked shuttle
I think our 4 set is too much for a hero talents tbh
bright ginkgo
Hey, how do i do dmg to webs on mythic loom? it feels impossible to swap targets that fast
nova ocean
True
bronze topaz
It's funny that we got our 2pc but not our 4pc as a hero talent
they would change the numbers 10 times on it if they added it like they did when they made it 4 pc
tiny tendon
I think if I had to do another season of kotg 4pc I’d kill myself
nova ocean
But wat we got is so boring
wicked shuttle
Even average DG people have been complaining about how it’s too hard to play around
tiny tendon
Let alone a whole xpac
wicked shuttle
Bc they’re bad at it
tiny tendon
Good riddance
lofty depot
Hey, how do i do dmg to webs on mythic loom? it feels impossible to swap targets...
Well dot the far one
But ur not doing damage to them
Tell him to yell at other range
nova ocean
Ec is gonna be interesting now too
bronze topaz
Hey, how do i do dmg to webs on mythic loom? it feels impossible to swap targets...
you dont
lofty depot
Feel free to take a picture of that
exotic perch
tbf the keeper 4set is complicated compared to other ones
tiny tendon
Hey, how do i do dmg to webs on mythic loom? it feels impossible to swap targets...
Show the raid lead all of the other boomkins doing tank / sub-tank damage to them and keep blasting that boss
wicked shuttle
tbf the keeper 4set is complicated compared to other ones
It really isn’t that complicated, it’s just difficult to min max
lucid olive
tbf the keeper 4set is complicated compared to other ones
The skill expression on it is completely flopsided
wicked shuttle
Which makes people dislike it
exotic perch
yea both of those is why its 'complicated'
lucid olive
The skill expression in an effect like that should be doing as much dam in CDs to fill the cap
nova ocean
But people like venthry
exotic perch
its a similar idea to how ravenous frenzy worked
lofty depot
tiny tendon
My level of minmax goes down to “is boss dead”
exotic perch
and that was polarizing
lucid olive
Not standing AFK for a global making sure your Starsurge consumes them before CA ends
And praying to God your character doesn't swing their dagger and consume it
bronze topaz
Not standing AFK for a global making sure your Starsurge consumes them before CA...
this is definitely the cringiest part about it
lucid olive
My last 4pc on Dimensius got munched by melee attack
leaden birch
I'm confused, are they making it so we enter an eclipse with just a button and then you can swap to the other eclipse by just casting wrath or starfire?
tiny tendon
And praying to God your character doesn't swing their dagger and consume it
This is a thing?
exotic perch
lmao noob meleeing boss as a caster
lucid olive
No
lucid olive
This is a thing?
Yes
nova ocean
They are both buttons I think now right
bronze topaz
I'm confused, are they making it so we enter an eclipse with just a button and t...
the eclipse button changes based on the last cast. Wrath -> solar starfire-> lunar
tiny tendon
God I fucking love this game man
leaden birch
OH
nova ocean
Ohhh
leaden birch
okay that makes more sense
exotic perch
the new eclipse is basically just a buff you activate
tribal vale
The skill expression in an effect like that should be doing as much dam in CDs t...
similar to venthyr boomie?
tiny tendon
Was wondering why that shit would just disappear
lofty depot
I'm confused, are they making it so we enter an eclipse with just a button and t...
Yes
exotic perch
instead of a buff you work to get into
nova ocean
I was gonna be mad if I had to put two eclipse buttons on my bars
leaden birch
when I started reading the changes I thought we'd have a button for each eclipse lmao
tiny tendon
I want a build that doesn’t revolve around extremely polarizing crit diffy that’d be cool
lofty depot
when I started reading the changes I thought we'd have a button for each eclipse...
It literally says it's shared
digital berry
So with these changes we still have to cast one wrath or starfire to prime the eclipse for the correct one at the start? So they pretty much just halved the amount of casts it takes to enter
bronze topaz
So with these changes we still have to cast one wrath or starfire to prime the e...
not really, becuase you have like 15 sec between eclipses, so you have way more time and you'd be casting the particular spell most of the time anyways
lofty depot
Depends
leaden birch
It literally says it's shared
where
crimson helm
Is cycloning MC on NExus considered Bugabuse now or not ?
crimson helm
kk
lofty depot
crimson helm
trust you ^^
lofty depot
Read it
digital berry
Youre just making the target immune so they dont die before the mc expires
leaden birch
I said when I started reading the changes
tiny tendon
I mean if you’re catching MCs that’s bad anyway but neat tech
leaden birch
the big developers notes at the top lmao
digital berry
the big developers notes at the top lmao
Yeah I didn’t see there was more
bronze topaz
its wrath for solar instead of starfire for solar now so even the 1 cast prerequisite isnt there
snow elm
Just bring back pulsar
lofty depot
Not allowed
ember sequoia
lost roost
Am I missing something with the mastery changes? If it no longer causes moonfire/sunfire to make other abilities do more damage then isn't mastery literally the same as versatility now (minus the healing bonus from vers)?
jaunty blaze
I saw it
jaunty blaze
Yuge numbie
lost roost
So the effect is the same (% increase to damage), just the scaling is different? Oof. They really don't know what to do with our mastery.
lofty depot
Well they did multiple things with our mastery
Simply changing is good, having dot mastery has been fucking terrible
woeful chasm
i just pray starfall is a good button in raid again
lofty depot
But no one knows "what to do" with it
lofty depot
Like u can change it however h want
lofty depot
i just pray starfall is a good button in raid again
Good with a talent
woeful chasm
ye i saw it
lofty depot
Then again, watch them nerf Starfall into the ground
pliant tiger
Just bring back pulsar
There is kinda pulsar in new talent tree
lofty depot
Doesn't press it until 10 targets
lofty depot
There is kinda pulsar in new talent tree
There isn't a spend asp to gain x, talent. Liar
jade drift
i wish i've alpha
royal zenith
that's probably a screenshot
pliant tiger
But chance to get both benefits
lofty depot
Just go watch tettles stream
royal zenith
from tettles's stream
digital berry
I was laughing at the 90 mastery but then I remember stat squish
royal zenith
lofty depot
I was laughing at the 90 mastery but then I remember stat squish
Kek
royal zenith
godbless stat squish
lofty depot
Guys I'm spending. 3k gold for 3 mastery pog
digital berry
3 mastery 3% dps gain
lofty depot
So back dawg
maiden pasture
holy shit
royal zenith
@wicked shuttle hows Eclipse and CA gameplay together
I had to raid during your stream...
lofty depot
Blud was looking at visual effects the whole time, he doesn't know
royal zenith
nahhh he must've felt it
lofty depot
"oo look at comet storm"
digital berry
They really don’t wanna make do with the eclipse system
royal zenith
make do?
digital berry
Oh wrong expression
royal zenith
eclipse system how it is rn and for the last 3/4 years has been shit
digital berry
Do away with
royal zenith
just for this line alone:
Balance’s Mastery has been changed so Sunfire and Moonfire no longer increase damage targets take and Waning Twilight has been removed. This allows Balance to start dealing damage faster and improves its strength in split cleave fights. Moonfire and Sunfire’s damage will be tuned to keep them as strong, efficient damage dealing spells, but the damage of your other spells will be less conditional.
the changes needed to happen
you want more power in add-cleave
sustain and ST is whatever
lofty depot
What's good is they specifically said those problems
royal zenith
exactly
lofty depot
Because it's felt like they didn't understand for years
muted remnant
Is there an actual Balance Dev back then
minor anchor
does anyone if starfall still stacks?
royal zenith
people hyperfocus too much on the 'devs'
muted remnant
I mean I feel like most things ppl praise are usually passion projects of singular devs but might be bias
viscid gale
i was reading the talents and i couldnt find where sunfire cleaves anymore is this just not the case in midnight?
fickle swift
CA just gives both eclipses without putting the normal eclipse button on cd I assume no?
royal zenith
I mean I feel like most things ppl praise are usually passion projects of singul...
yeah that's what's wrong about it
cause it seems now they have a specific philosphy about combat going into midnight
keyword seems
lofty depot
i was reading the talents and i couldnt find where sunfire cleaves anymore is th...
It's part of sunfire
The AOE talent got baked in
tawdry quest
Can anyone explain how the 15s uptime of an eclipse, but a 32s cd works? Not on ptr