balance

[lofty depot]

bring back IFE so theres some skill to your cdr

[lucid olive]

popped CA on pull and it lasted a full minute

[exotic perch]

playing ele shaman just reminds me of old moonkin

[lucid olive]

i like ele in raid

[lofty depot]

@methodplayers

[round oracle]

imagine dreaming of tww boomie in midnight

[lucid olive]

think its complete ass in m+

[exotic perch]

it feels really bad in m+ yea

ST feels great

[lucid olive]

theres too much shit going on with stormbringer ele in m+

[wise hare]

iam watching my ghuun kill vid and i literally have 0 memory of this iteration of boomy

start of bfa was weird

[craggy sonnet]

its better to just use it prepull and equip another trinket in most cases

[lucid olive]

tempest sucks, random stormkeeper charges suck, echoes of great sundering sucks

[normal pilot]

early bfa was pretty bad

[exotic perch]

tempest is so bad lol

[wise hare]

it looks so lack luster

[exotic perch]

it replacing only lightning bolt and not chain lightning is funny

[normal pilot]

that was the start of their war against players doing damage

[wise hare]

idk bring back 12 legendaries where at least most of them have some use case

[lofty depot]

uhhhhhhh look at that crit

[wise hare]

and you can actually swap depending on what you need

[lofty depot]

its like numbys we have now

[normal pilot]

they made so many classes just piddle during that tier

[lucid olive]

imagine that SL was the last peak of class design

[normal pilot]

AOE DR everywehre, all your CDs had a GCD

[exotic perch]

they do really hate players doing mass aoe

[lucid olive]

let that sink in

[exotic perch]

i feel like they went the wrong way entirely with mass aoe

[normal pilot]

thye even fucked voer melee and made autoattack even more important

[exotic perch]

instead of making things just do more dam so you cant live

they just nerfed the dam you do

[lofty depot]

man 2m balance was sick

bring me back

[wise hare]

its ok

like 2 more years and surely we will see classic legion

[normal pilot]

they should've just capped m+ from the start

[wise hare]

just skip wod honestly

no one likes wod anyway

[normal pilot]

endless scaling is just dumb

[remote vale]

It'll still a struggle. Defensives are super powerful.

[wise hare]

hello cyous

[jade flume]

Bis expansion

[wise hare]

long time no see

[remote vale]

howdy nick

[wise hare]

[remote vale]

welcome back to your addiction

[wise hare]

thanks iam already feeling 10x worse after pugging heroic

i love it

[wise hare]

i was a filthy mage player back then

[remote vale]

i hate myself too, thats why im playing MOP Classic

[wise hare]

glad to hear that

[sudden pawn]

i like myself and im playing borderlands 4 and other video games while retail is dead

:)

[remote vale]

MOP Classic will probably be the last game version i play until i quit for good

[normal pilot]

is borderlands gonna live up to hype

[wise hare]

i liked it

a lot

if you pc isnt ass

[normal pilot]

so many bad games but also so many good games lately

[wise hare]

its really fun

[sudden pawn]

ive had a lot of fun, havent had any fps issues that others have had

have had some bugged quests that a reload fixed

[wise hare]

man looking at my ui from legion makes me want to throw up

holy shit

[sudden pawn]

other than that, really good

[normal pilot]

this year seems to be better

last year had so many flops

[wise hare]

looking forward to arc raiders

[lucid olive]

marvels wolverine game trailer out today

[scenic mist]

dotc feral game

has claws

busted durability

[sudden pawn]

i have this as of now

raid log once or twice a week into this

very handsome

[wise hare]

ngl shape of dreams is a banger

[exotic perch]

megabonk

[sudden pawn]

im a monke main

[wise hare]

i have like 10hrs in it already

[sudden pawn]

in megabonk

[wise hare]

midnight is prolly gonna get a heavy number squish again right

[sudden pawn]

ya going into 100s-1000s

[normal pilot]

ilevel squish ya

[wise hare]

i thought they hate when we do millions of dps

[normal pilot]

prolly carry this into last titan then do another level squish for wow 2.0

[wise hare]

cope

[delicate perch]

psybear

[potent cargo]

boutta drop 15 milly on my wow house

[wise hare]

gotta have that drip

[potent cargo]

we gonna have a stripper pole in the foyer

in the back a bunch of underpayed orcs bagging up premium netherdust

[potent cargo]

you enjoy shape of dreams?

new digimon game looks pretty cool too

[sudden pawn]

ya its aight

i played the demo of digimon game

was really good

[potent cargo]

ye, i haven't played the demo but watched someone play it, very keen

shape of dreams wasn't bad but

feel like some of my runs are god tier and some are horrendous

and multiplayer was impossible from oce

[sudden pawn]

play megabonk

very great

[wise hare]

yea balancing is like none existant

but its fun for a bit

[potent cargo]

ye, i got like 6-8 hours out of it

good enough for what I paid

[errant flint]

Do i want to always select "always use" since using a culimating blasphemite?

[lofty depot]

well u likely want to use the gem

[odd osprey]

KotG AOE prio - am i right to assume that this is also 'cast if at least one of these is true'?

[lofty depot]

yes

its also contingent on 2t with kindling and 3t without

[odd osprey]

thanks. another one here: what does the final condition mean exactly?

• when I'm in CA/Inc.
  OR,
• about to cap on charge of ???, AND the cd of CA/Inc is 10+sec.
  i can assume that the capping part is mentioning full moon but it's not clear in the sentence itself

[loud kettle]

Charges of full moon

[odd osprey]

well since one cannot be about to cap on charges of CA/Inc AND have them left on cd for 10+sec so in a way i can understand it that way

thx for the confirmation

[misty glade]

Is being assigned a soak for puddles for DH boss cringe for moonkin? So much movement when I'm out of WoE charges

[lofty depot]

im fine generally

[misty glade]

I think not having great jewelry for EC makes it feel worse, unfortch

starfires taking an eternity

[potent cargo]

make good use of wild charge

[digital berry]

have you guys had to hold 2 min cds during prog for add phase on salad bar?

i either do that or send a naked ca on add phase

either way they want more dmg

[viscid gale]

hey can someone help me figure out why on patchwork sims are telling me to use starfall over starsurge

[lucid olive]

Because they're not 1 target

[viscid gale]

because theres no shot thats actually the play no?

its on patchwork

isnt that 1 target?

[mighty mica]

link the sim, not a screenshot

[lucid olive]

Okay but are you doing 9m on 1 target?

[viscid gale]

hold on

[lucid olive]

Assume you've got an MDT route in your expert mode footer

[potent cargo]

blud simming 9m

single target

[lucid olive]

Judging by the Starsurge in there

[potent cargo]

bros in midnight

[viscid gale]

i see nevermind quick sim autoed to 5 target? wierd

trust me i was confused

hey bro you dont know maybe i just cook like that on single

[potent cargo]

yeah cooking meth no ventilation no hazmat suit

[rare roost]

Is there ever a time in mass aoe where we dont use starfall as a spender and weave in starsurge?

[viscid gale]

no

[rare roost]

Appreciate it. I just wasnt 100% sure

[viscid gale]

i guess specifically keeper of the grove tier set surge after incarn runs out u would weave in 2 surges i think

[rare roost]

Im talking elune. M+ specifically

[viscid gale]

ok then no

[rare roost]

Thanks!

[odd osprey]

EC AOE - what does it mean by 'overlapping starfire with dreamstate ones' here? like it's better to not use it when the current eclipse is ending soon?
Also, is dreamstate the same buff with nature's grace?

[viscid gale]

i think it means that if u are casting starfire and your eclpse ends then it will waste one of your dreamstate charges on a starfire instead of a wrath to go back into lunar?

and yes natures grace is where your dreamstate charges come from

[lucid olive]

Warrior of Elune makes next 3 Starfire casts instant, Dreamstate makes Wrath/Starfire reduced cast time, you don't want to spend both on the same Starfire

[exotic perch]

nah 2k will be a huge sim in midnight

[lucid olive]

Can't wait for BM to find some bag of sand in their APL and sim 8k

[exotic perch]

itll be paywalled tho

have to subscribe to azor to get the premium sim

[odd osprey]

understood

[vital hound]

@loud kettle grats

[hollow mist]

[gray bison]

sorry if this repeated but is there something where you can'T mark of the wild in nexus king?

[lofty depot]

what

[delicate perch]

You heard em

[gray bison]

idk

over a 100 pulls into nexus

[delicate perch]

This isn’t fyrakk

[gray bison]

and only fixes with a resum

[delicate perch]

I don’t think you’re saying what you think you’re saying?

[gray bison]

saw some noob say it in like wk2 and thought they were trolling

i literally

cannot press mark of the wild

[delicate perch]

Don’t get mc’d

[gray bison]

not a macro or addon

[delicate perch]

You have a chance to be PvP flagged

[gray bison]

prob exactly why

[lofty depot]

oh ur talking about funy mc

log out for like 5m surely

[normal pilot]

it's something about getting MC'd in bear form

next time just suck it up in moonkin form and yell at healers to heal you or something

[lofty depot]

OO

kk never bearforming sorry ill bugout

[delicate perch]

gaslighting my raid into thinking that's just a bearform bug and I can't do it anywhere gg

[lyric kettle]

Heal my character

[livid jay]

just need to relog to fix it

not 5 min 😄

but yea

boomkin very fun

you press your defensive, still die

and then cant press the button weakaura thats supposed to fix your cdr talents because theres another bug that doesnt allow you to press any buttons until you relog

[thorn axle]

Hi , Im new to this discord channel .. Can i post my dps here for some help to see if im doing something wrong or is there another channel for that?

[lofty depot]

a log is helpful

a details meter is not

but yes

[thorn axle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zdQy1jM96p7L2qHt?fight=3&type=damage-done.
This is not most recent log but hope this helps .. Im strugling to push beyond 6m average dps on dungeons .
I have checked various guides to see if im doing something wrong.
Watched various streamers where they show their rotation on keys and it all seems to be the same but my damage stil stays very low ..

I do have 170ms latency as im in South Africa but dont think that should make such a massive difference. Dont really want to rerol to another dps as im realy enjoying Boomkin but getting realy frustrated as this dmg is not good enough

[lofty depot]

ur not dotting things

doting inside your cds when u should be doing damage isnt smart

macro this to incarn and stop thinking about it

and yea u should be pressing foe before incarn

its used as a damage modifier

this is at the end of a pack, but u shouldnt be sending asp outside of eclipse

[thorn axle]

So when engaging a huge pack , do i dot up everything first > 2x wraths > FOE > Incarn > WOE > starfire and Starfall ?

[lofty depot]

yes

thats like the biggest prio

should read your mastery

the 2 wraths arent needed there

and you then dont WOE u starfire 2x then starfall woe

[thorn axle]

oooh because incarn already puts me into eclipse so only wrath outside of incarn

[lofty depot]

well the other thing is that when u press those 2 wraths u waste dreamstate stacks

which could be used on starfires instead of wimpy wraths

[steel charm]

If packs live long enough you can try to go foe > eclipse > foe > incarn first to get tier set stacks

Or hope that you have stacks from end of last pack that hold long enough

[lofty depot]

yea dont do that

[steel charm]

Krona does and when I started doing it I went from 9m overall to 11-12

[lofty depot]

ur trying to teach him techy stuff when he doesnt play properly

1 step at a time

[steel charm]

Yeah ofc, but otherwise you will press incarn 90% with no tier set effectively

[lofty depot]

tierset is beans

when learning u just dont need to think about it and in most cases hes not doing high enough keys to worry about it

[thorn axle]

So to Begin with .

1. Macro my Defensives with Incarn
2. Dot before using cds and not inside my cd rotation
3. Foe before Incarn

Is my stats okay or should i drop some haste for vers and crit?

https://raider.io/characters/eu/twisting-nether/Doodzie

[lofty depot]

1. no, macro natures vigil to incarn

2.yes

3. yes

uhh u could sim stat swaps cuz maybe u have too much haste

but it would go to mastery not crit/vers

[thorn axle]

raidbots suggested i need more crit so i changed my enchants to crit and weapon enchant from Authority of the depts to stonebound.
We are trying to push to 15s and above but unfortunatly my dps is holding us back so all these errors you are pointing out should help with this.

[potent cargo]

should really just record a key and post it here

u will get obliterated

but u will become a much better player bc of it

[thorn axle]

I get a ton of criticism from my friends so this is stil childs play

[jade flume]

Same

[lofty depot]

i mean yea ur basically not playig the spec

read your mastery

read your hero talents

probably read the guide in the pins again for good measure

[vale pebble]

L bully

[lofty depot]

sometimes harsh reality is good

[potent cargo]

dots up press fillers use spenders use cds on big pulls and boses its very quite easy

[thorn axle]

Everything is dotted up, my unit Frames change colour when sunfire and moonfire is applied so that helps with dot management , Think its just a matter being impatient as dotting takes a while when the tank pulls 30-40 mobs and your moonfire can only dot 2 monsters at a time ..

[lofty depot]

well u being impatient makes u do 30% less dam

[pallid bay]

30-40 mobs

[lofty depot]

big puller

mdi pulling, lock in

[pallid bay]

bro out here chaining roars to pull that many mobs

[obsidian jetty]

dotting 40 mobs would take you like 21s, there's no 40mob pull lastin 21s

[lofty depot]

the big pull after first boss in priory

lock in bucko

[thorn axle]

in Ara we pull from stairs to the first boss .. there is more than 40mobs in there

[pallid bay]

just for reference this is 40 mobs

[lofty depot]

half of those 40 mobs live for 12 seconds (in arakara)

and u dont need to necessarily dot all of them

[pallid bay]

and this is 28

[ionic surge]

Half as much as my pug tanks pull (they bodypulled half the map while following a dubious route)

[jade flume]

Dont need to full dot mobs that will die really quick

[celest rampart]

As KOTG do we need to play around any set bonuses?

Also I see we use tress two globals into CA why?

[jade flume]

Just make sure every big mob has moonfire and sunfire

[pallid bay]

the tiny mobs have 20% the hp of the normal ones, they'll just die from existing in the pull

[jade flume]

So the spider mini boss, crawlers and casters

[obsidian jetty]

because you're playing around the set bonus. 10s after CA starts, you will get 2 giga surges

[thorn axle]

the DH just puts his immolation aura on and they die before even being able to cast dots

[celest rampart]

Ok thanks

[sudden flame]

average pull in my weekly +10 lil bro lockin

[vale pebble]

they need to bring back belf

so u can actually pull all that

[pallid bay]

need to bring back RF bear

[vale pebble]

i agree

the NEED to bring back rf brear s3set

prenerf s3 set

why did these pigs delete rf

when this season is just that dmg pattern yet again

on 3/4 of the specs

blizzard?

[livid jay]

#showtooltip ravenous frenzy
/cast celestial alignment

[dire osprey]

[broken valve]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qnk8bNNmAt53ZoATpBMBEU

raidbots do not calculate blasphemite?
it suggest me to ignore the emerald family and go for double onyx on my new ring

[fossil hemlock]

Press "always use max gems" if you want to sim for maxing blasphemite

[broken valve]

i had it check

this is how my gem selection looks like

[pallid bay]

bro had it selected..

[broken valve]

i shouldnt? 0.o

[pallid bay]

the option is greyed out man

[fossil hemlock]

The setting isn't enabled unless you press a blasphemite

[pallid bay]

you need to select the blasphemite for the option to do something

[broken valve]

oh!!!!

[pallid bay]

also why are we simming every gem in existence

[vale pebble]

bully much?

[pallid bay]

yes im big bad bully but you're a orange name nepo baby..

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/manul-gif-22066197

[dire osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/manul-gif-22066197

[ionic surge]

Why chicken not green

This is anarchy, coloured names don't have the right colours anymore

[potent cargo]

its not about the colour of the name

but the colour of the heart

[delicate perch]

[fossil hemlock]

https://tenor.com/b2g7U.gif

[potent cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/delete-that-footage-dont-show-that-black-panther-gif-14210698

[dire osprey]

[ionic surge]

If that didnt say skin imma be mad

[potent cargo]

Soul

[ionic surge]

Smh

Glyph isn't what he used to be

[fossil hemlock]

(it did)

[solar arch]

What’s the play on loomithar mythic, are people sending opener into boss or second set of dryad favor into an add? Or sending opener when adds come up?

[analog condor]

why aren't other specs already buffed is week 5 , and balance not buffed, fire mage too ,augmentation inexsistent?

[fossil hemlock]

We did get buffed

[analog condor]

but not enough that buff was cringe

[fossil hemlock]

If you're progging you have EVERYONE swap to the adds when they're hittable

[fossil hemlock]

We do just fine

[analog condor]

ye but compared to bm and ele not

[fossil hemlock]

It's not inting to bring a boomkin even if we aren't top

[fossil hemlock]

Stop comparing yourself to the top specs

[analog condor]

in pug we are compared to bm dmg and ele

[fossil hemlock]

We will never be buffed to a top spec

[analog condor]

like i cant even bring ele sham or bm, in my party cuz they already nuke , and piss on ramping of balance druid

[fossil hemlock]

[analog condor]

i say cuz in pug in lower keys packs are delete by those specs

in 3 sec,

[sonic crag]

"I hate when other players help me complete my goal of completing the key"

Don't feel bad about yourself, nobody can Flap like us

[fossil hemlock]

We'd need a rework for that to change, no amount of reasonable tuning will make us better than actual burst specs in lower keys

[dire osprey]

do higher keys

or just be happy ur weeklies are over fast

that said BM single target in keys is crazy

love them

[cloud plover]

BM single target dps

meanwhile my bm hunter died to the circle aoe on last boss gambit?

[ionic surge]

Our spec inherently isn't tailored to do lower keys, be happy some others are so that you can enjoy seeing the numbers ramp up later

[cloud plover]

where do u find these bm hunters that know how to utilize their buttons to move their character?

[drifting nova]

wdym move

pets move for them

[sudden flame]

my bm hunters just ninja pull everything with pet bugs

[wicked shuttle]

@lucid olive should be able to pin your own stuff now

[pallid bay]

@lucid olive pin dn

[vale pebble]

@lucid olive pin dn

[open fern]

Hi Booomies! best way to sim M+ gear on raidbots?

[sonic crag]

Playing silly gamz with him

Check the Dreamgrove FAQ section, theres a part about simming for M+

[open fern]

Thank you my Boomie Boy

[analog condor]

was like in 13+ arakara last week or 2 weeks ago

he did 30bilion or milion consecutively 2 pulls, first pull was the big for bl, and second smaller, and he kept 30bilion evne there

[drifting nova]

30b a second..right

[analog condor]

either was bug and an ability was casted more than once from the hunter

[drifting nova]

still convinced expl shot needs to be nerfed for mm

too much

[analog condor]

like keeping the same dmg for next pull as for bl thats broken

and then tank flaming me cuz he outscaled that part of dungeon ,and i can't , when simple science of buffs, like i doubtt rank 1 balance will outscale even rank 10 ele or rank 10 bm

cuz at the end of day, is code from blizzard

[drifting nova]

I beg for keys

to have less interrupts

pls

for the love of god

[jade flume]

Buff bamkn

[drifting nova]

just pull more mobs

be the change you want to see

[delicate perch]

why are people doing m+

log off please

[jade flume]

On g

Lock in for fellowship

Its like m+ but fun

[delicate perch]

YEP

[delicate perch]

did you play much in the last weeks open beta

[jade flume]

A bit but not that much

[delicate perch]

[livid jay]

did it change a lot from alpha to beta?

[craggy sonnet]

I didn't even know it was happening until like super late friday or whatever

But then played it a bunch

[livid jay]

did you play the alpha?

[craggy sonnet]

Too bad servers were a mess and then the queue was bugged as well

[livid jay]

didnt have time to play the beta

[craggy sonnet]

Nop

[livid jay]

how many dungeons did it have?

[craggy sonnet]

Was the first time I played it

Uhhhm

[jade flume]

It was mostly the same dungeons

[livid jay]

ah ok

[craggy sonnet]

Like 6 maybe + the capstone dungeons

[jade flume]

But we had a fireman and rougeman instead of swordman

[craggy sonnet]

Or 8?

Idk

The 3 boss dungeons were really fun tho

[jade flume]

I only did the first one

Didnt get to try adept 7

[craggy sonnet]

Unlucky

Idk if it's fun just because you didn't know how the mechanics work beforehand or if it is actually well designed

[livid jay]

in alpha i had the impression that its nice because its something new but it still plays very good and its a clean gameplay experience

[delicate perch]

we did helena/rogue/fireman/priest and finished like 9th was very fun

[jade flume]

I tried helena rouge and fireman

[delicate perch]

fireman very fun

BLASTS aoe

[jade flume]

Liked all of them but played fireman the least

[delicate perch]

boss dam not my problem

[jade flume]

So didnt really get to see how it plays

[delicate perch]

very shit to start though

I almost went to rime early cause he does 0 damage with no stats/talents

[lucid olive]

Damn how about that

[jade flume]

Yeah it did feel kinda weak but somehow i was still trippling everyones damage in quickplay at 0.5 ilvl

30min contender 2 runs

[delicate perch]

ya the average player is... interesting

the discord could've doubled the boomkin google doc with the shit I seen

[delicate perch]

wait quickplay gives you juiced stats how were they doing no damage

[jade flume]

Does it?

[delicate perch]

ya I think so

like 20% of each stat

the one that gives welfare tokens

[jade flume]

I thought it did because i felt like i was always pumping there

But havent seen anything mentioning it

[craggy sonnet]

Is the quick play bonus like once per day type of deal?

[jade flume]

But yeah had homies do 1k dps when i was at 6k

[delicate perch]

nope

spammable but the gear is kinda beans

[jade flume]

No its not a bonus its guaranteed reward

But you dont get items

[delicate perch]

you use it to get some welfare gear to do actual runs

defs worth but not insane

[craggy sonnet]

Ye aight. Just randomly saw it states that you get 2 keys and 4 token or whatever

In a video

[jade flume]

Its good at start because u can just slam super quick runs

[delicate perch]

ya you just buy like some offslots, avoid weapon/trinket because they have no good effects

[craggy sonnet]

Didn't ever notice while beta was up

[jade flume]

And get the rewards for leveling up

[delicate perch]

ya

[jade flume]

The talent points and rows are huge

I legit doubled my dmg with just the talents on helena

Since u unlock skills and talents and shit

[craggy sonnet]

I feel like the base classes are missing stuff. Like mara, being forced to start playing without aoe hemo strike and then put 2pts into it

[lucid olive]

#resources is now a threads only channel and experts can pin messages 👀 something's brewing

[delicate perch]

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/brungus-astonished-surprised-humor-cat-gif-26566228

[eager raft]

Kekkers man they don’t even press that button in season

[drifting nova]

yeah I'm hallucinating the 50m burst

[eager raft]

idk if you’re hallucinating or just wrong

but it’s one of the 2

[fossil hemlock]

Dark ranger doesn't use it, but sentinel does

[eager raft]

Sure and nobody plays sentinel

so they don’t press it

[livid jay]

about time

[maiden pasture]

Next on the agenda, removing gamz from experts

[lucid olive]

What the..

They would rather give expert power to pin than give me moderator..

[lofty depot]

Well yea, they would have to answer less pings from u

[lucid olive]

Just to prevent me from tagging the moderators every time there's a new pin

[lofty depot]

That's less work, more runescape

[lucid olive]

Real

Less janitor work if you turn the experts into a roomba

[scarlet tapir]

Replace gamz by cshbot

[vale pebble]

[frozen marsh]

do we hold for 2nd charge of CA to come off CD again mid-fight? or use when available mid fight when convoke comes back off cd?

[lucid olive]

2 CA on pull -> 1 CA at 2m with Convoke -> Hold Convoke for 2 CA at 4m+

[frozen marsh]

ty sir gamz

[scenic mist]

Speaking of pins

Didn’t @loud kettle pin something in feral yesterday ?
You expert guys getting rights ?

No more “@mods pin this” ?

[maiden pasture]

Bro

Did you type without reading

[scenic mist]

Oh I thought he said they could pin in ressources

But I guess they can pin wherever

[maiden pasture]

[scenic mist]

[scenic mist]

Ok I definitely should have read this far

https://tenor.com/view/toddlers-and-tiaras-big-grin-excited-girl-giddy-smile-gif-14571865827803811626

[lofty depot]

Crazy gets expert and suddenly experts can pin

[scenic mist]

I guess cat claws were more menacing than owls feathers

To big mods

[dire osprey]

coincidence?

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-way-gif-24547692

[lofty depot]

Surely they'll be able to find the resources channel easier than the pins

[scenic mist]

[sonic surge]

Socket angle right?

belt and weapon are possibilities but belt is bad stats so id wanna try holding out for the one in raid

and weapon id just replace when dinar comes out anyway

so...socket? halp

[ionic surge]

Looking like transmog angle because bro is UGLY

[sonic surge]

im just a mushroom

[jade flume]

Id take socket probably ye

[sonic surge]

also my mog annoys the raid so its great

[upper anvil]

i fuck with the mushroom\

[fiery kindle]

Hello guys,
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LkQctMyZTXr4BgKp
I'm new to raids and I don't like my playstyle at all. Where am I going wrong? Can you help me?

[bronze tartan]

Is this also when not using Nature's Balance, because I don't really have a ton of AP at the start then

I guess it would be fewer starsurges before the convoke?

[normal pilot]

sure it really doesn't matter that much you just want to hit the cap

[barren carbon]

I would start by reviewing the opener section of the compendium. The opener was recently optimized and it appears you're still doing it the old way

[normal pilot]

CA is a dogshit buff so 'pooling' for it is nice but not super impactful

you just want to ensure you reach the cap

[fiery kindle]

uh

[barren carbon]

?

[fiery kindle]

I didnt know that

[feral lintel]

Where can we find new opener

[barren carbon]

Yeah the pins have it as well as the compendium

[craggy sonnet]

You just wrath a few more times before starting the double ca sequence

[fiery kindle]

What else did you see?

[barren carbon]

At 1:38 you cast CA without trees or convoke. You should be holding CA until both of those are up then following the compendium for the "single ca cooldown window" at around 2minutes

And at about 4min you should have two charges and redo the opener rotation at that point

Essentially, all of your CDs were not used optimally. Our damage is highly dependent on getting our CD windows correct because we have so much burst at those times

[fiery kindle]

I see. Do you have any logs? Can I take a look at them?

[barren carbon]

I would look at any of the top druid logs, namely Dwilkz/Clecia/Recruitie/etc if you're looking for an example to follow

[fiery kindle]

I'll take a look, thank you,

[barren carbon]

My logs are ok but I would look at someone much better than me lol

[hazy storm]

Rip the Boomie dream on nexus; got swapped to shadow priest

[merry ibex]

how should i sim my m+ balance, patchwerk 5 bosses 5 min?

[jade flume]

Gg

Bamkin is cranking on that boss too

[jaunty blaze]

check faq in compendium

[merry ibex]

afaik that says to just sim st?

[hazy storm]

Maybe next week but our priest just so happened to get the flu this week

I remember Jordan’s flu game.. people changed

[jaunty blaze]

not only

[merry ibex]

ok, i will import a route, thank you

[jaunty blaze]

[eternal lily]

Which uptime is good for antenna @ Raid?

[hazy storm]

100% or unequip

[vernal pollen]

So... anyone else get the issue on Nexus king where spells just dont work? only on NK really weird

[normal pilot]

you got mc'd. log out wait log in pray

[vernal pollen]

my guy

lmao im talking before pull even starts

and continues into the pull

[normal pilot]

did you get mc'd the pull before?

[vernal pollen]

oh maybe idk

I forget

[normal pilot]

supposedly it bugs if you're in bear form

[vernal pollen]

what a game

[normal pilot]

so just don't bear form and instead yell at healers to keep your alive

[vernal pollen]

@viz heal me

[craggy sonnet]

Why are we dying

[vernal pollen]

idk. Tanks, donkeys putting claws everywhere

anything thats not my fault

[craggy sonnet]

Surely

[misty glade]

Oh that explains why I couldn't shapeshift after a wipe on NK last night

[lucid olive]

you can get your mark of the wild disabled too

the only reason you're even in the raid

[normal pilot]

they shouldn't have let you die if they were so worried about motw

[lucid olive]

real

[tiny ridge]

10 failed

9 failed xd

the game is not palyable anymore

now everyon ehave gear and score rip

since they dont want to abandon

can i leave after the timer?

[raw fox]

Yes

[tiny ridge]

ty

different week same problem

they say at least finish the key xDDDDDD

and bcs they started the boss I cant leave the instance...

healer always dead in HOA 3rd boss

[lofty depot]

Is this like thyme pov

[tiny ridge]

???

They aint giving up

[lofty depot]

The question isn't to you, please carry on depleting keys

[tiny ridge]

hahaha

they continue

[lofty depot]

Well yea u doing no damage, so they're already killing bosses as 2 DPS, is ezpz

[tiny ridge]

who is first?

who have 10 ivls less

[lofty depot]

2mil DPS, dam

Like I said no damage

[tiny ridge]

of coursse 2 mil when i lay down

lmao

[lucid olive]

Did a 2 tank weekly key on tuesday, that was fun

Blood DK and prot warr

[inland stump]

was the prot warrior doing a lot of damage, my homie plays prot and does a shitload idk why

[tiny ridge]

doing 1.5m more dps thank 10 ivls more frost dk with 4 set and im onyl w 2 set is criminal

[upper anvil]

Should play destro. Better then demo anyways

[lofty depot]

Funny class so yes

[upper anvil]

Rain of fire rain of fire rain of fire

Ezpz

[lucid olive]

yeah basically doing dps damage

we pugged a healer priest though

[tiny ridge]

yee good luck playing destro

[lucid olive]

i wonder what he thought when he saw details..

[tiny ridge]

it has the same problem as druid

if packs not living enoguh 0 dmg

[lucid olive]

we had the warrior assigned as dps role in group finder

[upper anvil]

Ik its ramping and dotting

[tiny ridge]

if tank is not taking in your rof 0 dmg

dotting?

u aint dotting with destro

cataclysm and everyone is dotted

[upper anvil]

Its the wither dot to a decent amount of mobs

Well yeah

But you can and around dot some if its not up

Its a dps loss not to no? Im just basing off this brief clip I saw of some one doing like a 18 as a destro

[tiny ridge]

idk havent palyed from s1

looks like ill play again hoa

5th time in a row

[upper anvil]

The guy was dotting each mob if he doesn't or couldn't cata. Then judt spamming rain of fire with some abilities in between to keep dots and stuff up

[tiny ridge]

this guy plays without breath

[maiden pasture]

Bro this guy's back posting random details screenshots 😭

[upper anvil]

His your favorite guy am I rite

[warm galleon]

How is Boomie these days in PvE?

[tiny ridge]

looks like ur the only woman getting attention from this

You are like political bot

[maiden pasture]

You're a weirdo

[tiny ridge]

im not the one who start yapping about someone

[inland stump]

good in mythic and bad in raid I think from the last data I saw

[tiny ridge]

if u do high keys is good

if tank bring ads with boss also good

single target dmg is poor

[upper anvil]

Idek if boomie considered thst good in higher keys

We dont have as much stronger aoe damage as last season to be brought into higher keys

[tiny ridge]

just play dk

s1 s2 s3 meta

[upper anvil]

Then id havw to play an dk

[lofty depot]

People are doing keys with boomkins, it's likely not the best comp tho

[upper anvil]

Yes

[paper ember]

yeah I wouldn't say they are the best in m+, but they are still doing 20's. And our ST isnt necessarily bad either. Our damage to boss is pretty good. Just lacking in the cleave department in this raid lol

[fossil shard]

????

Why is it everytime I check this channel ur spouting off with some shit like this

You say weird stuff and no one cares about your constant warlock yapping and screenshots + random experiences lol

[sudden pawn]

he doesnt know nobody cares about his random details pictures

[lofty depot]

He knows "arctic burner" cares tho

[sudden pawn]

ya just ignore idk, nobody to talk to so spouts here looking for reacts

[lofty depot]

Oh, darn didn't get the joke

[copper basalt]

any crazy reason why ring from first boss is simming 2% higher than my HOA ring??

[lofty depot]

Because haste is bad

[sudden pawn]

woosh

[copper basalt]

its like 5000 difference in mastery though

[lofty depot]

So what

Maybe u have too much

[raw fox]

You’re legit yapping about the people in your keys being bad

[upper anvil]

Sims weird. Robot weird. I just do what it says

[lofty depot]

Sim not weird

[upper anvil]

Sim weird

You're weird

[vital hound]

Sim not weird

[upper anvil]

We all are weird

[vital hound]

Arctic weird at times

[copper basalt]

Sim confuses me when it feels crazy you know

[vital hound]

No I don't know

[copper basalt]

Hmmm

[lofty depot]

That's cuz u assume u want heavy mastery haste

[lucid olive]

must... resist... urge... to pin...

[sonic crag]

do it

[copper basalt]

My boomer probably wants more crit ispose

[lofty depot]

Or vers

[copper basalt]

alpha aint got no vers

[lofty depot]

Go sim the priory ring

Might change ur view

[fossil shard]

Priory ring has escaped me for weeks now

I just want it to go away from my Droptimizer

[lofty depot]

I crafted neck with Crit/vers

Ama

[fossil shard]

Based

[sonic crag]

I used to think Arctic was madge, but he's genuinely helping by dedicating all his time to write on dreamgrove discord

[lofty depot]

Based

[fossil shard]

Why can’t it be both

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-bryan-cranston-coward-disappointed-gif-4024901

[copper basalt]

bro is making me sim midraid

[sonic crag]

You can't just abuse powers right away. Got to make sure they fully trust you before you commit hate crimes

[vital hound]

Bro thinks bro has powers

Arctics power is the yap

[sonic crag]

Oh I meant Gamz

[lucid olive]

yeah nah I'd rather not abuse anything

but I have the power to reshuffle pins which is good

[sonic crag]

Would you rather have unlimited bacon but no more gamz, or gamz (unlimited gamz) and no gamz?

[lucid olive]

could make 1 giga message like guardian has

[sonic crag]

Stolen from a degenerate ex FDK guildy*

[vital hound]

Pov you're a regular

[vital hound]

Could make a faq

[drifting nova]

bacon

[sonic crag]

Latest updates in pins is nice. There's other class discords where it's all just edited in an old message and it's hard to track what was updated

Then again, we got dreamgrove for that

[lucid olive]

The idea is for Dreamgrove to be an extension of the discord really

But also ideally people shouldn't have to check the discord for updates, cause there are loads of people visiting the Dreamgrove website that don't frequent here

[sonic crag]

Can we get a Kekkers achievement of the week and Boxna's Details ranking category on Dreamgrove website?

[upper anvil]

I like how boxna became a meme

[hallow inlet]

er guys. why is the beep boop telling me that voidcore is better than the antenna. i thought it was garbo?

[lucid olive]

guys Tettles tank zero to hero subathon started

go support (make fun of) your boy

[ionic surge]

which tierlist was that from again

[lucid olive]

https://tiermaker.com/list/world-of-warcraft/dreamgrove-yapper-tier-list-17885194/4794083

[ionic surge]

i can't believe turtle and kekkers are on there but i'm not

some of these are painfully accurate

this is about as accurate as it gets

[sonic crag]

I cant remember his name but 2nd on Slur Enjoyer was banned, correct?

[ionic surge]

yea paper is rip

[sonic crag]

Ah yeah papercuts

[hollow mist]

mom look im famous

[ionic surge]

infamous

[hollow mist]

[drifting nova]

[scenic mist]

Bacon can’t tc balance
I choose gamz

[ionic surge]

im so glad im not the resident frenchman here anymore

[scenic mist]

Old gamz pfp

[scenic mist]

Need a French category in there

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/worldofwar-timeschange-change-garrosh-gif-13230689

[ionic surge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dont-care-didnt-ask-didnt-ask-i-didnt-ask-gif-25429803

[scenic mist]

[fossil shard]

Better with dagger but otherwise not

Depends on what you’re simming miss chance as too

[paper ember]

Has the damage proc from weapon been figured out for sims? Liquidarmory still has the disclaimer on it.

[hallow inlet]

0% myth dagger

[fossil shard]

Gl on that 0%

[paper ember]

They're built different

[fossil shard]

Sim it at like 20-25%, higher if you’re on dimmy or saladbar

But yah if you have mythic Kris then you want core + forge

[hallow inlet]

just running 0% for the sake of sims. dont want to see how bad it is at 20-25% in comparison

[fossil shard]

Huh

That doesn’t make sense at all

Sims are there to provide you with accurate info, not skewed info

Sim it accurately to get accurate results that allow you to make informed decisions 💫

[stone ledge]

Clanker disagrees

[scenic mist]

weapon proc is simmed correctly, has been for the whole patch

[stone ledge]

Antenna+forge on top

Just be better

[scenic mist]

proc rate is spec dependent

[fossil shard]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-mocking-joking-kidding-sarcasm-gif-5731274879454463322

[stone ledge]

I mean it’s within 40k so if you have a better chance at it sure but still

[paper ember]

Its just dependent on how many you miss. When I sim my mythic Kris w/ mythic forge trink and either antenna or voidcore, if theres a 20% miss chance on antenna, voidcore sims .1% better. If you never miss then antenna is better by .4%.

[fossil shard]

Yeah as the tier goes on and fight lengths and miss chances become shorter and smaller, antenna will probably be gamed more

I would assume

[paper ember]

Ofc we're low lol

Mentions retesting after 11.2 is live so is this outdated? Or has it been retested and note just wasn't updated?

[paper ember]

[pseudo merlin]

these are definitely accurate

🦆 on "useful" had me wheezing

[exotic perch]

hell yea im useful

and props for a tier all for kekkers

[river galleon]

Hi. Quick question. I wonder why Crashing Star is better talent than Touch the Cosmos for single target fight?

[exotic perch]

well the short answer is it sims better

[maiden pasture]

[exotic perch]

long answer is the free starsurge kinda isnt that great

its def more fun to play with

[lucid olive]

why cast starsurge when wrath more dam

[exotic perch]

procs good

[lofty depot]

It got buffed a week or so ago

[eager raft]

Which tier do you want to be in

[lucid olive]

mfer wasn't here

[eager raft]

Arctic is not and has never been elite

[lofty depot]

He's between confidently wrong and slur enjoyer, can call it "Mostly AFK"

[lofty depot]

Huh

[scenic mist]

proof ?

[eager raft]

oh you weren’t supposed to see that

[lofty depot]

I right here

[eager raft]

I prefer talking bad about you behind your back

[lofty depot]

Talk bad to my face, it's more fun for me

[lucid olive]

arctic do you remember respectable getting bodied on gallywix heroic

[lofty depot]

By both of us yes

Druid alt and druid na alt

[lucid olive]

yeah what a little nerd lmao

[craggy sonnet]

Not anymore. apparently they changed that

[eager raft]

[lofty depot]

Blud then tried to say MM bug, I'm doing more damage than details says

[eager raft]

that’s actually true

[lofty depot]

Smh

[eager raft]

Hahahahaa

[lucid olive]

oh you werent supposed to see that

[eager raft]

It sounds like a lie

But it’s actually true

[lofty depot]

Yeayea "I found DPS" type shit

[lofty depot]

Clanker propaganda but is true

[scenic mist]

trust me bro

[lofty depot]

Shit trinket cuz I don't miss

Holy shit, my boss had to use my phone cuz his phone broke..

Blud was on the phone with the Philippines for an hour

[eager raft]

Call them back and pretend to be him

[lofty depot]

It's 2am over there tell them to go home

[scenic mist]

see you in 20

[craggy sonnet]

I think it's been "fixed" for a while. Just no one mentioned it

And no one bothered simming it again

[lofty depot]

It's still shit, so fake news

[ionic surge]

how was turtle there but not me

[lucid olive]

turtle didn't leave he got banned

[ionic surge]

pretend like i got banned smh

show some respect to papa miik

[royal zenith]

how are you still talking about the guy

it;'s been 2 years

💀

[ionic surge]

because turtle is my homie for LIFE

[royal zenith]

then dm him

[ionic surge]

i do

turtle is literally the guy who brought me back to wow a month ago kek

[candid tinsel]

hello everyone!
i've got reshii improvement boots, run a key and found out that my reshii do only 3.5% of damage, isn't it too low while having it?

[bronze torrent]

Guys, crafted staff with Ascendance, or

[lofty depot]

Make a name for yourself bucko

[lofty depot]

Sim it

[exotic perch]

if you got that staff then prob keep it lol

get a voidcore and chill man enjoy the extra survivability

[lofty depot]

No

That damage is fake anyway

[bronze torrent]

Could give to to peeps that REALLY want it

[candid tinsel]

what?

[lofty depot]

It's a proc chance, u don't notice it bud

[craggy sonnet]

It's not gonna be an upg over crafted for kotg in raid (and maybe just a small one once you can replace embellishments)

[lofty depot]

Cast more starfires

[craggy sonnet]

But it's pretty nice for ec m+

[lofty depot]

It could be if he's using haste mastery

[craggy sonnet]

Unless your craft is with haste as well

Yea

[lofty depot]

Funny guy

[candid tinsel]

well, i'm noticing that in details 😄
can guess 1084 starfires should be enought for...like...my pala friend that got 5.8% on it, and that was a point i've wondering whats wrong with that 😄

[lofty depot]

Maybe ur better than ur pally friend and is spec is shit

Maybe u have lower level boots

[candid tinsel]

😁

[craggy sonnet]

It's a stupid random proc.. maybe he procced it while more mobs were active or whatever

[lofty depot]

Also those are Starfire hits, not casts

Proc chance items are better the worse u are

[scenic mist]

9256 FoE casts sounds poggers tho

[merry ibex]

hi guys! if my droptimiser is telling me to craft items with crit/mast instead of haste/mast, should i? or is it some kind of bait?

i know haste is bad with keeper, but just checking anyway

[round oracle]

yeah its purely dependant how good aoe damage you do overall so its going to be less the better you are. also it should scale from haste/versa just like every other dmgproc

[lofty depot]

If u know it's bad, why would it be bait

[merry ibex]

im not sure,i have a memory of reading "dont craft crit mast even though it sims better" in here

a while ago

thats why i ask

[lofty depot]

Also, u should sim crafts in top gear not droptimizer

[round oracle]

rofl

[merry ibex]

why?

[round oracle]

definetely a sentence that could have been said here

[lofty depot]

Because they don't have embells on them, u can sim enchants/gem differences

[merry ibex]

you can sim without embell in droptimiser too right

[lofty depot]

Because u can sim crest upgrades with the craft

[merry ibex]

or am i misunderstanding

[lofty depot]

Well they sim without embell

[merry ibex]

but i dont want embell 😄

this is just a crafted piece

[lofty depot]

That's not the point

[merry ibex]

oh as in

it doesnt take my equipped embells into account?

[lofty depot]

U can do far more in the top gear sim, than the droptimizer

Which is why u should just do it instead of

[merry ibex]

ohh you mean "sim other uses of crests as well"

fair enough

but if i do decide to craft, i should just do crit/mast then?

[lofty depot]

Or mastery vers

Or Crit vers

Which is why u do top gear, so u can run multiples of items LIKE I FUGGN SAID

[surreal mantle]

is chosen still the way to go in m+ or is keeper a better choice now?

[lofty depot]

Ec

[cloud citrus]

keeper requires too much plannin

[sudden flame]

guys boxna is leaking out of containment can you upgrade the security around his cell in here

[jaunty blaze]

nah keep him

[lofty depot]

Did he finally go to the lock.discord and complain?

[copper basalt]

lowkey found the priory ring at herotrack in my bag

[lofty depot]

Yea but did u sim it

[copper basalt]

i did

its like slightly worse than Alpha mythtrack

[sudden flame]

no he's talking in general

[lofty depot]

Think this is fine

[vital hound]

insane cavey glaze

[meager storm]

[tough bobcat]

Anyone know if they fixed the channel on last boss dawn? does it scale properly now? some ppl in my pug said they changed it

[lucid olive]

try it

[mental plover]

put kekkers on blocked tier

[lucid olive]

that guys put on ignore for weeks

save urself

[vagrant prawn]

@lofty depot RedSox ML

[lofty depot]

sir, we do not bet the last 2 weeks of baseball

we do not bet baseball til october

[vagrant prawn]

you do when the redsox have Bello and the bluejays have a bullpen staff

[lofty depot]

shouldve last night with the pirates

[vagrant prawn]

wish I would have made a Tigers dont make the playoffs about 2 months ago

[crisp moon]

Gang... is the naaz mystic lash a good trink for m+ or naw

[paper ember]

Is it all you have?

[fossil shard]

No unfortunately

Reads like it should be though

[scenic mist]

how so

trinket is bad in st

and scales badly

30% for additional target is lame, especially when capped at 5 targets

[fossil shard]

Isn’t that the one that says it does a bunch of damage for extra targets

[scenic mist]

100% for additionnal target would be just as bad as it is in st

[fossil shard]

Yah I just said it reads like it could be fun

[scenic mist]

so 30% is 3 time worse

[fossil shard]

[paper ember]

tbf he was asking about M+. Which is more aoe than st

[scenic mist]

yeah and

a trinket that is bad in st

and scales less than 1 to 1

is obv even worse in aoe

• it is hardcapped at 5t

[maiden pasture]

chat

how many reclears until my guild decide to bring a moonkin to dimmy

[lofty depot]

well they could bring it at anytime

so how much do they like u

[crisp moon]

Be in a shit guild like me and still be doing prog for Araz

[true viper]

is control of the dream still bugged do i need the weakaura still

[dense steeple]

1

[maiden pasture]

not enough to risk shit reclears i think xd, will probs be 2nd reclear earliest

[dense steeple]

whats dimmy

i'm only 5/8

[potent cargo]

one major nerf

[maiden pasture]

tbh moonkin for reclears sounds kinda chill

only hard part post prog is p3

and moonkin cranka damage amp

[potent cargo]

moonkin where you reroll to devoker

sounds real chill yep

[lucid olive]

@potent cargo did you see you got power to pin now

Expert stonks up

[potent cargo]

Very nice

Out of respect to the purples I would not troll with the power

[lucid olive]

What will you use this new power for

[lofty depot]

yes

[lucid olive]

Surely there's some good pin to be put in #pvp

[potent cargo]

pvp doesn't have uprisings anymore

[lofty depot]

risk shit reclears?

boomkin pipes

[potent cargo]

is there a uhhh

weekly dmg increase thingy for this raid

[maiden pasture]

tri-weekly

[lucid olive]

Not weekly but yeah

[maiden pasture]

ye

[potent cargo]

ye 10 of them and you're in bud

[lucid olive]

On the renown track

[maiden pasture]

nah but if u die to like

p1 adds ever

u just have depression bringing moonkin

[lofty depot]

maybe dont die

[loud kettle]

youre welcome

[glossy jungle]

Time to pin slurs @potent cargo

[potent cargo]

in the dh discord perhaps

dreamgrove is inclusive and friendly

no abuse in the chat please

[glossy jungle]

watched the latest mission impossible movie last night. that shit was dirt

[potent cargo]

ye I sat down to watch it

and i swear it felt like it was 3 hours long

[glossy jungle]

It was

[digital berry]

Wel it almost was

2:45

[potent cargo]

yep

2:30 of bullshit

19 mins of action

👏

[glossy jungle]

some terminator bullshit plot

[potent cargo]

alice in borderland s3 out today tho

[glossy jungle]

[digital berry]

Wait

[round oracle]

so whats the play for 15s damage amp where you have to dot the boss first too with double CA?

[digital berry]

I thought the story was over with season 2

The whole meteorite purgatory shit

[potent cargo]

there was a follow-on manga produced iirc

so i assume it is to do w that

no quote me tho

[digital berry]

Why does it always have to be purgatory btw

Or some land between life and death

[dense steeple]

exactly what you said

[round oracle]

I didnt rly put my mind on it yet but seems impossible to fit the second dryad surges into amp so was just wondering if there is some tricks but even just convoking in the first ca makes it too long of a sequence so...

holy shit that was horribly written

[obsidian jetty]

sune was cooking abit for dimmy's amp. You can just early cancel voke, but makes it hard to hit the cap with less than 3s in first CA

[round oracle]

yeah its also a bit different when the boss still continues a long time after the amp instead of just being dead right after

[covert coyote]

saldahaar spell bug is unbelievably annoying, how have they not fixed this yet

whats even the point of having people get MCed on this fight

[obsidian jetty]

don't worry, it'll be fixed when we fight him again next xpac

[lofty depot]

stop bear forming

then again i havent had the bug once

[deft bough]

any tips for forgeweaver dmg?

[delicate perch]

play a better class

[deft bough]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-wow-really-thinking-woah-wow-gif-17141326

[lofty depot]

probably starfall

stop moonfiring the adds if u are

uhhhh slam cds into amp

🙂

[timber raft]

guys im leveling up a boomkin right now should i try elunes chosen for m+ or keeper, i was assuming keeper because i dont have 4pc and its easier?

but when i look at the keeper boomkins they are using convoke

any reason? because the m+ build on the compendium shows incarn

[deft bough]

keeper anyway imo

[timber raft]

ok so incarn or convoke?

[deft bough]

convoke

[timber raft]

why

[deft bough]

is what I use xD

but also just gives another cd for a mini burst

[timber raft]

ahh gotcha ty

[obsidian jetty]

if you're doing +2's or something, it doesn't matter what you play, most shit will die pretty fast

You could go more ST focused and clap bosses, or try to aoe. Voke is more ST focused, incarn is more AoE focused

in higher keys, you just run incarn

[timber raft]

i dont believe you

all the top boomkins playing keeper on murlok.io are playing convoke

[dense steeple]

i also dont believe him, look at this scrub

[timber raft]

yeah but i just dont get it

why are they all playing convoke then

[dense steeple]

because theyre not being brought for their damage

theyre yoloing

[timber raft]

gotcha thanks

[obsidian jetty]

idk, I pull up a voke logger on halls

this guy doing +16 and doesn't know what the tierset does

I can't tell you why ppl are using voke, but I can tell you that these logs I'm looking at seem like they've never played keeper before

there's also alot of logs where they are keeper for the first pull of dung (probably forgot to swap from raid build) then zone out and swap to EC

[timber raft]

ok so you suggest i start with keeper though?